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Title: Is Judge Dredd available in Germany?
Post by: Misanthrope on 09 January, 2017, 11:58:40 PM
I ask this as I have just watched a video about censorship in Germany.

Amongst the obvious things that are censored there (swastikas, etc) the symbol of the SS is not allowed to be shown. Seeing as the light flashes on Dredd's helmet resemble the SS symbol, would they allow them, censor them or downright ban Dredd all together?
Title: Re: Is Judge Dredd available in Germany?
Post by: Misanthrope on 10 January, 2017, 12:02:15 AM
Sorry, posted this in the wrong place.
Title: Re: Is Judge Dredd available in Germany?
Post by: JOE SOAP on 10 January, 2017, 12:10:09 AM


There have been German pressing of Dredd books in the past.

https://www.amazon.de/Judge-Dredd-Bd-4-John-Wagner/dp/1853863491/ref=sr_1_11?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1484006929&sr=1-11&keywords=dredd
Title: Re: Is Judge Dredd available in Germany?
Post by: sheridan on 10 January, 2017, 01:44:26 AM
I saw a copy of the Sci-Fi Special in a Berliner Comic Shop a few years back (though annoyingly I already had a copy reserved at my FLCS so had to hold off reading it until I got back).
Title: Re: Is Judge Dredd available in Germany?
Post by: jacob g on 10 January, 2017, 09:42:24 AM
There was few german editions.

Magazine format Joe shared, softovers editions of Muzak Killer, Mega City Blues in 90's, germany Egmont also put some books betwen 90/00.
Title: Re: Is Judge Dredd available in Germany?
Post by: Rogue Judge on 11 January, 2017, 09:56:32 PM
Considering that Germany is experiencing 'overwhelming sales' of Mein Kampf (over 85,000 copies sold in the last year), I dont think that Dredd's helmet should bother anyone.

Link: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38495456
Title: Re: Is Judge Dredd available in Germany?
Post by: morpheas on 11 January, 2017, 11:30:16 PM
Quote from: Misanthrope on 09 January, 2017, 11:58:40 PM
Seeing as the light flashes on Dredd's helmet resemble the SS symbol, would they allow them, censor them or downright ban Dredd all together?

Erm... No, Dredd is not banned in Germany.
And the flashes do resemble the S of the SS symbol, but the two Letters must be drawn/writen/depicted together, to form the SS symbol. So its a borderline thing.

I bought a Dredd3D blue ray from Mediamarkt around 2013...

Considering the backround of the comic, there is nothing to censor anyway.
As far as I know, 2000ad and Megazine where available untill the 90s here in Germany, but dont nail me down on that.

If I want a paper copy, I can order one from a few comicbook shops, but it would arrive weeks later. So I prefer the digital issue. It is actually hard to get. I was at a comic con in Dortmund in December. There was nothing 2000ad/Judge Dredd related. No merchandise, not even unathorised junk. No-thing.
Title: Re: Is Judge Dredd available in Germany?
Post by: Misanthrope on 14 January, 2017, 03:05:55 PM
A video game company could not use their logo in Germany, and that only had the one S.
Title: Re: Is Judge Dredd available in Germany?
Post by: Misanthrope on 14 January, 2017, 03:11:57 PM
Sorry, it was a skateboard company whose logo appeared in a skateboarding game.
Title: Re: Is Judge Dredd available in Germany?
Post by: jacob g on 14 January, 2017, 03:20:37 PM
Quote from: Misanthrope on 14 January, 2017, 03:05:55 PM
A video game company could not use their logo in Germany, and that only had the one S.

Yes, this was Mystery.

German small publisher once asked Lukasz Kowalczuk to remove SS looklalike from Vreckless Vrestlers cover. Lukasz said it ain't gonna happen so comic book never appeared in german market.

(http://www.motyleksiazkowe.pl/15527-thickbox_default/vreckless-vrestlers-midzywymiarowe-mistrzostwa-kultura-gnie.jpg)

The logo in question.
Title: Re: Is Judge Dredd available in Germany?
Post by: Misanthrope on 14 January, 2017, 03:30:12 PM
So not as daft as a question as I thought.
Title: Re: Is Judge Dredd available in Germany?
Post by: morpheas on 14 January, 2017, 06:42:32 PM
Then it is justified.

Using Nazi symbols for entertainment and marketing purposes is vile. Any computer game, book, or comic that needs nazi symbols is not worth the money.

But that's a clear personal preference I suppose. I hate the stuff. If somebody uses them, they should have a good explanation and a good cause.  This ^^ example  is NOT a good cause and its a "no purchase" for me. There is no need for the use of the SS-Symbol.

Still, no content in Dredd is subject to censorship in Germany.
Title: Re: Is Judge Dredd available in Germany?
Post by: morpheas on 14 January, 2017, 07:01:49 PM
He is not being censored; he just can't find a German publisher. 

He is so ignorant, and wants to keep his "cool" looking ss in his comic; he has to live with it.
Title: Re: Is Judge Dredd available in Germany?
Post by: jacob g on 14 January, 2017, 11:42:01 PM
Quote from: morpheas on 14 January, 2017, 07:01:49 PM
He is so ignorant

That's the last thing I would called him.
Title: Re: Is Judge Dredd available in Germany?
Post by: NapalmKev on 15 January, 2017, 11:51:59 AM
The thing with symbols is that they are easily misappropriated by others. This doesn't mean that they should not be used.

Take the Swastika for example: a Hindu symbol for many years before being hijacked by the Nazi's and turned on its side! Should Hindu's stop using it because others might be offended? I would emphatically say, No!

Cheers
Title: Re: Is Judge Dredd available in Germany?
Post by: WhizzBang on 15 January, 2017, 01:45:33 PM
Quote from: NapalmKev on 15 January, 2017, 11:51:59 AM
The thing with symbols is that they are easily misappropriated by others. This doesn't mean that they should not be used.

Take the Swastika for example: a Hindu symbol for many years before being hijacked by the Nazi's and turned on its side! Should Hindu's stop using it because others might be offended? I would emphatically say, No!

Cheers

I used to live in Wood Green in North London where there was shop that sold fairly exotic fruit, veg, foodstuffs as well as accessories, jewelry, scarves, and various other stuff and their plastic carrier bags had columns of swastikas on either side. I was never sure what the shop was supposed to be as it was a strange hybrid of oriental Indian culture with Caribean and South American stuff thrown in for good measure. I was fairly certain it was not some kind of right wing extremist thing though.
Title: Re: Is Judge Dredd available in Germany?
Post by: Large48 on 01 February, 2017, 07:38:18 PM
There has been loads of German Dredd stuff;

Rijperman - 82

Feest & Ehapa - 95

Egmont / Fleetway - 99/2000/2001

Bastei - 2000

DC - 2001

As well as Arboris editions............

So quiet a few to chose from!