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Off Topic / Re: The Political Thread
« on: 17 January, 2019, 11:09:00 pm »
Labour weren't centrist before Corbyn, they were on the right and heading further rightward - there are still New Labour headbangers insisting that Ed Milliband only lost in 2015 because Labour were "too far left", and Harmon's support for drastic welfare cuts shows you where the party was going after Milliband*.
We would be far more to the political right without a left Labour, and Brexit would have been waved through no matter how shit the withdrawal agreement was.  And anyone thinking that UKIP wouldn't soak up left-leaning Leavers and general malcontents while being increasingly legitimised by the media hasn't been paying attention to the last ten years of politics.  Or they've slept through it, the lucky stiff.

Getting behind a second vote - I'm all for a second vote, but what's the point of being behind one when the country would just repeat the same mistake?  I don't like this uncertainty dragging on endlessly, but you can't ignore the first ref because it didnt go the way it might have without all the lying - and even then, you could make a case for a second ref on that basis, but would it change the outcome?

I suspect the backfire effect would come into play to an even greater extent once once you factor in the last two years of Remain painting all Leavers as racists, ignorant, dupes of Putin, or too stupid to look out for their own best interests.  I've seen plenty of Remainers try and talk their comrades off the ledge with "not all Leavers are racists" homilies, but they're pretty much pissing into the wind.  I can think of a couple of Leave voters on here who were mostly reasonable even if I didn't agree with their politics, but they seem suspiciously absent from the board these days and I suspect I know why.

Honestly, what would another leader have done, other than draw even more flak on themselves for no actual advantage?

Yes but they wouldn't be Corbyn.

* To Red Ed's credit, he did at least stick up for the banks when it wasn't fashionable to do so while his yellow-bellied Labour compatriots were briefly riding anti-banker sentiment in the press.  Ed reasoned - to Russell fucking Brand of all people - that banks needed to be bailed out because their fates were intertwined with that of people's savings, mortgages, benefits payments, etc, and "let the banks fail" was little more than a dumbass soundbite.

Off Topic / Re: The Political Thread
« on: 17 January, 2019, 08:57:09 pm »

during which time someone more obviously electable from the party's left might be persuaded to stand for leader, possibly even with Corbyn's blessing (since he never actually wanted the job).

I distinctly remember that the accepted wisdom at the time (coming even from the man himself) was that Corbyn would be gone before the next election, having given his blessing to someone "electable" who would at least give the illusion of being left wing in a party that had by then stopped pretending (Harriet Harmon's disgraceful interim tenure as party leader being the absolute nadir), and what's truly amazing is that no-one wants to admit that the reason he's still in the job is because all of his potential replacements publicly shit their pants while trying to dislodge him before he just left on his own, which kind of felt inevitable in that whole period between the EUREF and the general election.
Dan Jarvis had a serious chance of getting the job before he crumpled on bombing Syria despite his entire schtick being that he was a veteran who was wary of military adventurism, Tom Watson just had to sit out the in-fighting and he was a shoo-in - even Clive Lewis (a Corbyn ally) looked like a good candidate until the media exacerbated nonexistent tensions between him and the leadership, though I suspect he's probably still the best bet on the leftie slate even if he is a fucking Trekkie.

And what's truly amazing is: for what?  We hadn't even had the Brexit ref before these people took it on themselves to take a dump in their own trews, the general election was five years away, and they've made it clear in the intervening time that public opinion of the party is most certainly not something that concerns them, nor does - saints preserve us - a Labour government, the very notion of which repels them like holy water repels a Dracula.
I almost suspect that they just aren't very good at this and media pundits are covering their asses.

Off Topic / Re: The Political Thread
« on: 17 January, 2019, 12:14:09 pm »
We probably should have guessed as much years ago when Tony B colonised the left and seeded it with now-entrenched neoliberal passengers, but centrists are the new conservatives - the saddest part of which is that this isn't even necessarily a bad thing because the actual conservatives are generally such utter head-the-balls that one of them can now quote the motto of a death camp as justification for benefits sanctions that have killed the sick and disabled and the media just gives it a pass.

giant concrete replica of the "There's no money left" note

I liked Stonehenge unironically, though admittedly more as a concept than how it was executed.  Engraving FREE NHS in stone and sticking it in No 10's garden is ballsy as fuck if you can pull it off, but engraving a bunch of long-winded spin-talk like "affordable housing for families where possible and appropriate for their income and status" ruins the whole point of a simple, blunt statement of intent.  I also can't quite shake the notion that engraving it on a marble obelisk and writing it on the side of a bus are pretty much the same thing.

Film & TV / Re: Last movie watched...
« on: 16 January, 2019, 04:27:14 pm »
Legends of the Fall - Brad Pitt is such a brooding and dreamy bad boy that it actually kills people or sends them insane.  This is literally what this film is about, and the old Native American guy narrating even says "he was the rock on which they broke themselves" near the end.
I enjoyed the first 90-odd minutes of it, but then it descended into an - admittedly very funny - parody of Hollywood melodramas with its shootout finale, Pitt becoming a sort of Prohibition-era Batman, and then the supposedly mythic ending that made me genuinely laugh out loud when it turns out Pitt's character, after having lived a long and fruitful life, has merely been lulled into a false sense of security by a bear he stabbed in the paw 60 years earlier, who promptly ambushes him and when the camera turns around for a DUN DUN DUNNNN reveal I was in fucking stitches.
Anthony Hopkins is on top form among a cast of reliable hams, but I'm surprised that bit where his elderly post-stroke character is flipping the bird hasn't become an internet meme.

Off Topic / Re: The Political Thread
« on: 16 January, 2019, 03:29:07 pm »
Tommy Cooper - who I see no reason to assume isn't Yvette's husband - didn't introduce the benefits sanctions regime that's shifted the paradigm of the welfare state from a safety net against poverty to a means of punishing it, so he'd probably still be better than Yvette, a woman who only avoided coming dead last in her leadership bid because Liz Kendall was also running.

Off Topic / Re: The Political Thread
« on: 16 January, 2019, 01:57:44 pm »
If Cooper was Labour leader it'd be great.  For UKIP.

Prog / Re: Prog 2105
« on: 12 January, 2019, 05:29:46 pm »
please write a thousand words on 'Synergy in the Prog' for next week?

Rather more accurate to do a piece on how many times writers can recycle the same few references before people start calling them out.  Unless you mean Synergy, the sentient AI from the 1980s cartoon series Jem And The Holograms, in which case, I will admit to being curious why Frank wants this in the prog.

I'm playing catch-up here and I'm just not getting along with Dredd or Skip Tracer, which at least have great visuals.
Brink remains the highlight, followed by Kingdom, but after a good start I thought Fiends fizzled out and I was really taken out of the story by that abrupt last page and him just declaring MY NAME IS LEGION like a fucking idiot in front of all those people - there's some lass near him who just looks confused why he would say such a thing out loud.  Join the club, miss.

Books & Comics / Re: Toxic
« on: 09 January, 2019, 10:29:49 pm »
(which, I'm afraid to say,  I shoplifted).

It's what they would have wanted.

Off Topic / Re: The Black Dog Thread
« on: 06 January, 2019, 06:56:20 pm »
My insights into mental health begin and end with the observation that if brain medicine doesn't have "LOL" in the name, it maybe won't make you happy, IE: Propranolol is likely great stuff, but cetirizine hydrochloride probably less so.
I hope you give CBT a decent go, JBC.  Irish mental health - as a state of being as well as a public service - is a fucking disaster area, but I've seen mates who've had variable results with CBT ranging from "no effect" to "miraculous turnaround."  It doesn't work for everyone, but give it a good fist and look after yourself.

Film & TV / Re: Doctor Who Series 11 Discussion
« on: 03 January, 2019, 01:48:52 pm »
I'm still slogging through the early episodes, and just got to the one where the Doctor defends poor defenceless Amazon from an angry lone wolf leftie anarchist.  How do people afford to buy things if nobody's in work? Sorry I mean I liked it when the kids went WHEEEEE on the conveyor belts and the funny man did a fart and the Doctor talked really fast.
This season feels like low-hanging fruit, but simultaneously like they aren't really trying, like it's a knock-off Who.  I thought they might be keeping their heads down because they're uncertain about how the gender flip thing was going to be received and that's why it felt like Who on autopilot, with no grand mysteries or conspiracies spanning time and space, just the basic colonialist premise of some gobshite and their mates sticking their noses into foreigners' business and the hilarity/horror that ensues when white Christian moral values are imposed on other cultures.  We don't know that genocide is bad in Skaro culture, guys.  Gotta hear both sides.

It's still fine as sci-fi fluff, but doesn't feel essential.

Off Topic / Re: The Political Thread
« on: 30 December, 2018, 12:40:28 pm »
I do think it's weird of late how some supposedly liberal commentators are now defending the monarchy's wealth and the means by which they acquired it simply because they see members of the left questioning it.
Reassuringly, that defence takes the form of faux-outrage at the left's "extreme position" on a matter it doesn't properly comprehend, so at least you know that outrage is manufactured.  #NotAllWealthyElites

Off Topic / Re: The Political Thread
« on: 29 December, 2018, 10:21:48 pm »
No wonder Remain lost.

Off Topic / Re: The Political Thread
« on: 29 December, 2018, 06:59:34 pm »
Typical hyperbole of the hard left Stalinist Lennonist Marxist cultural cucktard brigade.  It is a recorded fact that the vast majority of foxhunters rarely go on to tear any other living being apart with dogs apart from other foxes.  Foxhunters aren't sexually aroused by immigrants.
Foxhunting as a gateway to other acts of violent sexual depravity simply hasn't been scientifically proven.  Those pedophile rings and the culture of Nazi fetishism found in the upper classes are entirely unrelated phenomena.

Film & TV / Re: Last movie watched...
« on: 28 December, 2018, 07:05:41 pm »
Bumblebee (...)
the main girl did pretty well good little actress and quite cute too but way too young for me these days l, the real star was definitely Bumble Bee he was so well done, solid and endearing. I liked lots

CU Radbacker

Most people on Twitter who want to fuck the car don't even bother coming up with a pretext, so kudos for putting in the effort.

Off Topic / Re: The Political Thread
« on: 28 December, 2018, 02:46:27 pm »
Prime D-Mail: "Black family occupies council house"

Strip away the trappings of the aristocracy and fox hunting is basically one of those expose stories that papers run every few years or so when one of their copy writers finds out about some whacky forrin culling practices.  I mean, it's not just killing a fox, it's chasing it down with dogs while dressed in some kind of fetish outfit from a Pornhub video, letting the dogs tear the fox to pieces, then rubbing the remains on the faces of children.  This is messed-up shit meant to reinforce the idea in toff children that morality does not apply to their social tier, and I have no fucking clue how it isn't traumatic for them to experience it.
(dough prob'ly worse for the fox, I imagine)

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