2000 AD Online Forum

Spoilers => Megazine => Topic started by: Simon Fraser on 09 August, 2019, 06:18:48 PM

Title: Lawgiver question
Post by: Simon Fraser on 09 August, 2019, 06:18:48 PM
I'm a little out of touch . It's been a while since I drew a Dredd. About a decade or so by my reckoning.
What's the current Lawgiver model? Photo reff would be appreciated.

Thanks kindly

Simon Fraser.
Title: Re: Lawgiver question
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 09 August, 2019, 06:27:59 PM
There's a bit of a move amongst art droids to adopt the Carlos version, which I absolutely wouldn't discourage you from doing. Are you doing a new Dredd, then, Simon? Fucking fantastic if you are!

LINK (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=45334.msg987354#msg987354)
Title: Re: Lawgiver question
Post by: Simon Fraser on 09 August, 2019, 06:54:26 PM
The original Carlos version?  If so then I'm all for it.

Si.
Title: Re: Lawgiver question
Post by: Frank on 09 August, 2019, 06:56:38 PM

The Carlosgiver is the only way to go.

The link in Jim's link (https://www.planetreplicas.com/product-page/carlos-ezquerra-s-lawgiver) has images of the 3D model from every angle, but here's how fellow droids have used it in recent strips:

Chris Weston (prog 2141):

(https://i.imgur.com/Xq0ToA2.jpg?2)


Chris Weston (prog 2142):

(https://i.imgur.com/ldJa26F.png?2)


Staz Johnson (prog 2136):

(https://i.imgur.com/lBqIVyf.jpg?2)


I can live without the gold eagle detail, but opinions are opinions.


Title: Re: Lawgiver question
Post by: I, Cosh on 09 August, 2019, 08:19:14 PM
Nice one.
Title: Re: Lawgiver question
Post by: TordelBack on 09 August, 2019, 08:49:50 PM
This is very good news. Fraser Dredds are lamentably few in number but always perfectly formed.
Title: Re: Lawgiver question
Post by: JOE SOAP on 09 August, 2019, 11:26:54 PM


(https://i.imgur.com/j5plink.jpg)
Title: Re: Lawgiver question
Post by: Steve Green on 10 August, 2019, 11:33:05 AM
Quote from: Simon Fraser on 09 August, 2019, 06:18:48 PM
I'm a little out of touch . It's been a while since I drew a Dredd. About a decade or so by my reckoning.
What's the current Lawgiver model? Photo reff would be appreciated.

Thanks kindly

Simon Fraser.

Hi Simon,

I have the 3D model, so if you want any particular ref - just give me a shout.

Cheers

Steve
Title: Re: Lawgiver question
Post by: Simon Fraser on 13 August, 2019, 12:37:08 AM
Thanks Steve. I haven't quite work out how to integrate 3D into my drawing process yet...or whether I want to. Seems like a slippery slope! However the Carlos Lawgiver is so deeply ingrained into me that I can draw it from childhood memory.

Si.
Title: Re: Lawgiver question
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 13 August, 2019, 08:13:16 AM
Carlos' more recent version, adopted of late by Chris Weston and Staz Johnson and shown above, is really just a satisfyingly chunky version of the classic.
Title: Re: Lawgiver question
Post by: Steve Green on 13 August, 2019, 08:56:04 AM
Quote from: Simon Fraser on 13 August, 2019, 12:37:08 AM
Thanks Steve. I haven't quite work out how to integrate 3D into my drawing process yet...or whether I want to. Seems like a slippery slope! However the Carlos Lawgiver is so deeply ingrained into me that I can draw it from childhood memory.

Si.

No worries, yeah like Jim said, it's similar to the original but with a fatter muzzle, more like the silencer version in the Apocalypse War.

The dial on the side has been simplified I think, it's more like a safety now, and there's an indicator on the other side.
Title: Re: Lawgiver question
Post by: Frank on 13 August, 2019, 01:00:33 PM

Yeah, don't draw the original design, or readers will mistake that for the kind of visual cues - a rounded helmet and stars on the shoulderpad - that are meant to communicate a strip is set in the past.


Title: Re: Lawgiver question
Post by: TordelBack on 13 August, 2019, 07:16:27 PM
Heh, that Frank: a visual cue that was, I believe, first put to that very purpose by some scribbler called Simon Fraser...
Title: Re: Lawgiver question
Post by: Frank on 13 August, 2019, 07:37:02 PM

(https://i.imgur.com/0n4JDvy.png?2)

MacNeil gave Rico stars on the shoulderpad* back when Fraser was drawing Lux & Alby, but I think Fraser was the first ink monkey to show us his rounded helmet.

Debate me!


* .. and a Carlos badge and rounded shoulderpad, too. Megazine 2.44, December 1993
Title: Re: Lawgiver question
Post by: TordelBack on 13 August, 2019, 07:39:55 PM
Everyone knows Megs and Specials don't count... 
  :-[
Title: Re: Lawgiver question
Post by: Greg M. on 13 August, 2019, 07:49:48 PM
Quote from: Frank on 13 August, 2019, 07:37:02 PM
I think Fraser was the first ink monkey to show us his rounded helmet.

I believe the forum's had this conversation before and, whilst I also thought it was Fraser, it turned out to be Ron Smith in 'A Case for Treatment'.
Title: Re: Lawgiver question
Post by: JOE SOAP on 13 August, 2019, 08:02:02 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/t3pIy0p.png)
Title: Re: Lawgiver question
Post by: Frank on 13 August, 2019, 08:35:15 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 13 August, 2019, 07:39:55 PM
Everyone knows Megs and Specials don't count... 

It's A Dreddful Life wasn't Wagner* either. Well done, Everyone Else, for being more clever than us.


* Robbie Morrison (https://i.imgur.com/fhmoqm3.png) and Jim Alexander, which made this as Scottish a Dredd as there'd been since the days of TB Grover and Cam Kennedy
Title: Re: Lawgiver question
Post by: Simon Fraser on 13 August, 2019, 09:55:10 PM
Yea, I believe that I was the first to do that in 'Blood Cadets' back in Prog 1186.

Si.
Title: Re: Lawgiver question
Post by: Frank on 13 August, 2019, 09:57:06 PM

erm ...


Title: Re: Lawgiver question
Post by: Simon Fraser on 13 August, 2019, 10:14:00 PM
Guess I should have refreshed the page before replying. I didn't know Ron Smith had done it before me. Good old Ron was always my fave Dredd artist.
Title: Re: Lawgiver question
Post by: Simon Fraser on 13 August, 2019, 10:21:06 PM
Also "Ink Monkey" ?!  We're not Droids anymore? Is that a promotion?
Title: Re: Lawgiver question
Post by: Frank on 13 August, 2019, 10:27:36 PM

I'm very old. Should be Wacom Monkey.





Title: Re: Lawgiver question
Post by: TordelBack on 13 August, 2019, 10:28:42 PM
Damn you Greg! 

May I wriggle a bit and suggest thst Simon was the first to apply the technique to a new story set in the 'past', rather than a reworking of an existing story (Cursed Earth) or indeed panel (Return of Rico)?

But yeah, being beaten to it by Ron Smith (and Colin!) is no disgrace at all.
Title: Re: Lawgiver question
Post by: Proudhuff on 14 August, 2019, 04:31:57 PM
is it tooo early to ask about Lilly MacKenzie ?  :-X