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Title: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: mogzilla on 01 August, 2011, 10:40:39 AM
   Yes, another film thread... ;)

who's seen "hellboy" and its sequel "hellboy 2 :the golden army"? now whos read the comic...?

  good... now in the film hellboy wears a t-shirt doesnt have cloven hooves is in love with liz sherman and kroenen is a zombie ninja... still, its a cracking film and i  love the films,animation and comics with equal measure.
  yes they could have gone for a "canon" take on the character but they didnt and with mignola's blessings too....

  Dredd is the movie "version "of  judge dredd ,not the comic we've read the reasoning behind the "changes" to the uniform and most of us can accept and indeed welcome them ,look at the uniform fer instance, in x-men if wolverine had flounced on screen in yellow and blue rubber would he have been as cool onscreen? i doubt it he'd have been laughed at and it would have made the film less well recieved.

   the creator of one judge joseph dredd has approved and praised the film world's take on his character ...we are getting a dredd film especially after the stallone one, we should be grateful and not whining about how practical his shoulder pads are or his shoulder width or even his chin...

  so please nay sayers and doombots try and accept this for what it is good news... we've got "minty" coming as well which is more comiccentric so we should all be satisfied...
   
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: Dandontdare on 01 August, 2011, 06:18:12 PM
Hear hear! How he acts and what he says are a gazillion times more important in capturing the character than the shape of his shoulder pads.


Quote from: mogzilla on 01 August, 2011, 10:40:39 AM
in x-men if wolverine had flounced on screen in yellow and blue rubber would he have been as cool onscreen? i doubt it he'd have been laughed at and it would have made the film less well recieved.
There's a line in the first Xmen when Logan is doubtful about the uniforms and Cyclops (I think) says "what would you prefer - yellow spandex?" Cracked me up at the time.
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: IAMTHESYSTEM on 01 August, 2011, 06:27:15 PM
What he said!

And the other chap as well!! :)
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: mygrimmbrother on 01 August, 2011, 06:42:03 PM
Bravo! You put it better than I ever could Mogzilla.
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: judge macbrayne on 01 August, 2011, 07:00:37 PM
whit everybody said me tae :D :lol:
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: Zarjazzer on 01 August, 2011, 07:23:04 PM
Good thoughts mogzilla which I endorse but the big mouths depriving their village of it's idiot aren't going to listen. They think they own Judge Dredd and ought to be running it and are surprised when their ludicrous "Judge Dredd and the bonking bondage babes" (or whatever drivel is in their heads) isn't getting made.

They're wrong. Twoothy is owned by Rebellion and if they want JD in a pink tutu then that's what will happen.

You don't like it? Fuck you.

You think your ideas better. Fuck you.

Capitalism evil but simple you don't like something -don't buy it.

Now whatever boarder (bless their golden fingers) suggested putting these oafs on ignore and a scorched earth policy to their ravings was absolutely bloody right.

It deprives them of what they want most. Power and attention.

Now if they don't like what I'm writing well that's just great as far as I'm concerned.

Ya don't like it?

You know the rest.


Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: Spikes on 01 August, 2011, 07:52:29 PM
Personally i wasnt sure about the new film when i first heard that karl urban was going to be dredd, even less so when i saw those first (frankly not very good) photos that were released. Dredd's an iconic figure, and 30+ years of reading 2000ad has ingrained that image for me, so anything deviating from that will take some getting used to, and the Stallone film has made us all protective/wary? i know it has me. But those new photos in Empire, i think are the bollocks and im geniunely excited about Dredd now. Thats not to say, or guarentee that the film will be wonderful - who can say that at this still early stage?
Yes, the uniform has been altered/redesigned/call it what you will, so what? I dont mean that flippantly, as of course its important how they make him look for this movie, but i agree with the others on here that they have created a look that echo's the original design of Dredd pretty damn well. Non-Dredd friends of mine ( i have a few!) also caught the Empire feature and were pretty impressed.
This thread(s) will run and run though, just wait til they release photos of the re-design's of Dredd's  underpants or his toothbrush, then there will be an uproar,  :lol:
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 01 August, 2011, 08:50:12 PM
My only problem is that the more modern and practical movie costume is making me see the flaws in the comic one.
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: Fuzzed on 01 August, 2011, 09:09:34 PM
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 01 August, 2011, 08:50:12 PM
My only problem is that the more modern and practical movie costume is making me see the flaws in the comic one.

And then comic sales will actually go down! - and there you go, new thing to worry about, oh noes.



Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: mogzilla on 02 August, 2011, 11:05:21 AM
IDEA!!! the judges change the uniform in the comic for practical reasons  ;)....


....plus it will drive "him" away for ever!!!! mwah ha haaa
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: Woolly on 02 August, 2011, 03:18:42 PM
Quote from: mogzilla on 01 August, 2011, 10:40:39 AM
   now in the film hellboy wears a t-shirt doesnt have cloven hooves

*Pendant-Mode* First shot of grown up HellBoy, we do see his cloven hooves (albeit in shadow). Quite how it works in his boots though is anyones guess!  ;) *Pedant-Mode*
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: Michaelvk on 02 August, 2011, 08:39:12 PM
Quote from: Woolly on 02 August, 2011, 03:18:42 PM
Quote from: mogzilla on 01 August, 2011, 10:40:39 AM
   now in the film hellboy wears a t-shirt doesnt have cloven hooves

*Pendant-Mode* First shot of grown up HellBoy, we do see his cloven hooves (albeit in shadow). Quite how it works in his boots though is anyones guess!  ;) *Pedant-Mode*

Hey, they put wellies on a cow in Top secret..
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: I, Cosh on 02 August, 2011, 08:57:21 PM
Quote from: mogzilla on 01 August, 2011, 10:40:39 AM
who's seen "hellboy" and its sequel "hellboy 2 :the golden army"? now whos read the comic...?
Yes (it was alright, I suppose) and no (I didn't like the first one enough to be arsed going back for more) and no.

No idea what this says about me or the Dredd film but the rest of that seems quite sensible.
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: JOE SOAP on 02 August, 2011, 08:58:56 PM
Your missing out by not seeing Hellboy II, it's far superior to the first.
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: I, Cosh on 02 August, 2011, 10:22:17 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 02 August, 2011, 08:58:56 PM
Your missing out by not seeing Hellboy II, it's far superior to the first.
I'll probably watch it if it's ever on tv. I haven't seen Spiderman 2 either. For the same reason.
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: JOE SOAP on 02 August, 2011, 10:26:01 PM
Quote from: The Cosh on 02 August, 2011, 10:22:17 PM
I haven't seen Spiderman 2 either. For the same reason.


The same applies.
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: Goaty on 02 August, 2011, 10:35:45 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 02 August, 2011, 10:26:01 PM
Quote from: The Cosh on 02 August, 2011, 10:22:17 PM
I haven't seen Spiderman 2 either. For the same reason.


The same applies.

I agree, here the teaser shows what is best thing about Spider-Man 2....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enmFqm_N_ZE&feature=fvwrel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enmFqm_N_ZE&feature=fvwrel)
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: I, Cosh on 03 August, 2011, 09:43:12 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 02 August, 2011, 10:26:01 PM
Quote from: The Cosh on 02 August, 2011, 10:22:17 PM
I haven't seen Spiderman 2 either. For the same reason.
The same applies.
I just occured to me that I have seen Blade 2 and it's miles better than the first one, so maybe there's something in this.
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: JOE SOAP on 03 August, 2011, 09:56:00 PM
Quote from: The Cosh on 03 August, 2011, 09:43:12 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 02 August, 2011, 10:26:01 PM
Quote from: The Cosh on 02 August, 2011, 10:22:17 PM
I haven't seen Spiderman 2 either. For the same reason.
The same applies.
I just occured to me that I have seen Blade 2 and it's miles better than the first one, so maybe there's something in this.


Hmm, Guillermo Del Toro?
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: JOE SOAP on 03 August, 2011, 09:56:30 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 03 August, 2011, 09:56:00 PMI just occured to me that I have seen Blade 2 and it's miles better than the first one, so maybe there's something in this.


Hmm, Guillermo Del Toro?
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: blackmocco on 03 August, 2011, 11:02:03 PM
Hellboy II rocks. That is all.
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: Hoagy on 04 August, 2011, 12:45:55 AM
Hmmm both these sequels have former BROS heart-throbs in the bad-guy rolls. Maybe that's the something you're all kinda looking at hmmm?
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: Misanthrope on 04 August, 2011, 12:54:15 AM
Quote from: Krombasher on 04 August, 2011, 12:45:55 AM
Hmmm both these sequels have former BROS heart-throbs in the bad-guy rolls. Maybe that's the something you're all kinda looking at hmmm?

Most of the pop stars in this country have actually trained as actors, so it would be no surprise to see them pop up in acting roles once their music careers have died.
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: Mardroid on 04 August, 2011, 02:16:36 AM
Quote from: Krombasher on 04 August, 2011, 12:45:55 AM
Hmmm both these sequels have former BROS heart-throbs in the bad-guy rolls. Maybe that's the something you're all kinda looking at hmmm?

I think Luke Goss is better as an actor than he was as a pop star.

Okay, that's probably not fair as his singing voice wasn't bad, and the girls loved Bros but... well... not my thing.

Regardless the characters he played in both films were great. Bad guys, but... not altogether so.
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: Fuzzed on 04 August, 2011, 07:25:05 AM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 03 August, 2011, 09:56:30 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 03 August, 2011, 09:56:00 PMI just occured to me that I have seen Blade 2 and it's miles better than the first one, so maybe there's something in this.


Hmm, Guillermo Del Toro?

His imagery is terrifying. Watching Pan's and Devil's was seriously disturbing. If he directed Dredd, I'd probably have to watch it in daylight. With handholding.

Quote from: Mardroid on 04 August, 2011, 02:16:36 AM
Quote from: Krombasher on 04 August, 2011, 12:45:55 AM
Hmmm both these sequels have former BROS heart-throbs in the bad-guy rolls. Maybe that's the something you're all kinda looking at hmmm?

I think Luke Goss is better as an actor than he was as a pop star.

Okay, that's probably not fair as his singing voice wasn't bad, and the girls loved Bros but... well... not my thing.

Regardless the characters he played in both films were great. Bad guys, but... not altogether so.

I thought he was the drummer, the other twin the singer.

He made one scary elf in Hellboy II, the way elves are in myth. And I was really impressed with his martial arts form, unless that was mostly the stunt guy. But yes, good actor.

Another sequel he was in - Death Race 2. With Sean Bean. Love Beany.
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: CYCLOPZ on 04 August, 2011, 09:02:10 AM
Olivia Thirty is in this sci fi movie. 

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=80641
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: IndigoPrime on 04 August, 2011, 09:54:42 AM
Quote from: Fuzzed on 04 August, 2011, 07:25:05 AMAnd I was really impressed with his martial arts form, unless that was mostly the stunt guy.
Judging by the DVD extras, that was mostly him. To me, it looks very much like a guy finally handed a leading role after years of hard work and grabbing it with both hands.
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: I, Cosh on 04 August, 2011, 10:28:30 AM
Yeah, I was really surprised by Goss in Blade 2. However, I think there's the same element of UK pop culture incongruity which makes us so much more impressed by Ian McShane as Al Swearengen than maybe others would be.
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: Hoagy on 04 August, 2011, 11:28:24 AM
Ian McShane was a pretty hardcore actor in the early 70's too, though. Some obscure film with Oliver Reed provides that proof. We just got caught up in the awful Lovejoy pants. All his works combined he proves to be a particularly dexterous actor.

And Lovejoy proved to be very popular with the previous generation to us. Sparking a bit of roughly, smoothly romance with the laydees.
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: ABCwarBOT on 04 August, 2011, 11:18:36 PM
I'm not saying ex pop stars can never act but I'm not a fan of them being cast in certain movies and tv shows. 

I never liked Billie Piper in Dr Who and Mark Whalberg in films like Planet of the Apes for a start.  When I see Piper I just think > that's that teeny bopper who sang that annoying pop song (and I'm not impressed by her acting either). 

Same with Whalberg, I just think 'Marky Mark" from New Kids on the flippin Block when I see him.
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: JOE SOAP on 04 August, 2011, 11:40:46 PM
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 04 August, 2011, 11:18:36 PMSame with Whalberg, I just think 'Marky Mark" from New Kids on the flippin Block when I see him.


I see him as Dirk Diggler from Boogie Nights, his finest performance by a mile...or 14 inches.
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: Goaty on 04 August, 2011, 11:42:57 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 04 August, 2011, 11:40:46 PM
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 04 August, 2011, 11:18:36 PMSame with Whalberg, I just think 'Marky Mark" from New Kids on the flippin Block when I see him.


I see him as Dirk Diggler from Boogie Nights, his finest performance by a mile...or 14 inches.

Also The Fighter, and The Departed.
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: ABCwarBOT on 04 August, 2011, 11:44:16 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 04 August, 2011, 11:40:46 PM
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 04 August, 2011, 11:18:36 PMSame with Whalberg, I just think 'Marky Mark" from New Kids on the flippin Block when I see him.


I see him as Dirk Diggler from Boogie Nights, his finest performance by a mile...or 14 inches.


I haven't seen that so can't comment but I'm not saying he can't act.  It's more the association with being an ex pop star.
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: mogzilla on 04 August, 2011, 11:49:06 PM
OI! can we keep this thread on topic and talk about ice cream? tsk,some people ::)
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: radiator on 04 August, 2011, 11:50:00 PM
Marky Mark wasn't in NKOtB - that was his brother Donny Wahlberg, also an actor - he was in Ransom and Band of Brothers.

You clearly know nothing of early nineties boybands.
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: JOE SOAP on 04 August, 2011, 11:56:48 PM
Quote from: radiator on 04 August, 2011, 11:50:00 PM
Marky Mark wasn't in NKOtB - that was his brother Donny Wahlberg, also an actor - he was in Ransom and Band of Brothers.

You clearly know nothing of early nineties boybands.


ah...whereas you know only so much...Mark Wahlberg was one of the original members of NKOTB, he left before they released the first album.
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: JOE SOAP on 04 August, 2011, 11:57:12 PM



ahh...whereas you know only so much...Mark Wahlberg was one of the original members of NKOTB, he left before they released the first album.
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Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: I, Cosh on 05 August, 2011, 12:00:16 AM
I remember being very impressed with Marky Mark in the alright-but-not-that-great-really Corruptor. I also love I <3 Huckabees, but I'm aware that could be considered indulgent wank.
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: Mark Taylor on 05 August, 2011, 12:24:23 AM
I heard Mark Wahlberg will play Judge Death in the Dredd sequel. His take on the character will be an outrageously effeminate evil gay super-fiend from another dimension and will sport a variety of outrageous costumes throughout the movie, including a gold spandex leotard and a rhinestone-encrusted leopard skin mankini.

But that's okay because we have to remember it's the movie version, not the comic.
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 06 August, 2011, 04:49:10 AM
That actually begs an interesting question- if Dredd is a success and a sequel gets the greenlight, and if Alex Garland and co. decide to feature Judge Death in it, who would (or, indeed, could) play the ghoulish super-fiend?  My best guesstimate would be a completely CG creation using an actor on-set with motion-capture to get the fluidity of movement, with Bruce Spence perfect as the actor to portray both the movement and the voice of Death- just check him out in the 'Mouth of Sauron' scene from The Return of the King, and tell me that's not Judge Death there, it's uncanny...
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: Fuzzed on 06 August, 2011, 08:04:28 AM
Quote from: Beaky Smoochies on 06 August, 2011, 04:49:10 AM
... if Alex Garland and co. decide to feature Judge Death in it, who would (or, indeed, could) play the ghoulish super-fiend?  My best guesstimate would be a completely CG creation ...

I hope not. Even though I love LOTR and what they did with Gollum was amazing, the more I see CGI characters in films these days, the less I like it. There is the touch of unreality to it, an airbrushedness, and it just makes me twinge with discontent. Like with Tron Legacy, Tron and Clu.

But, taking your example of the Mouth of Sauron - if they just tweak the features on a real person, that could work. The Mouth was outstandingly freaky.

On the other hand, it could be interesting to see it done with just a normal-looking person, making the actor do all the work of providing the menace and, basically, just to see how they could adapt the character to fit reality-Dredd. Most of the fun for me in Nolan's Batman is seeing how he's re-imagined everything, but I do understand that it can be horrifying for other fans.

It's like how that new replica costume is sending a lot of fans into a swoon, whereas I'm waiting to swoon for the UrbanDredd costume replicas - I can definitely see myself swanning around feeling cool in urbandredd gear.

Different strokes, as always.
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: Goaty on 06 August, 2011, 01:18:05 PM
Close enough!

(http://images.wikia.com/villains/images/3/33/Reverend_Henry_Kane.jpg)
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: JOE SOAP on 06 August, 2011, 01:44:02 PM
He'll be bloke in bike leathers.


(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff248/burlearth/GOTHAMDEATH.jpg)
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: mogzilla on 06 August, 2011, 03:28:22 PM
doug jones ...abe,pan,paleman ,angel of death...the dude is born to play death!
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: Toni Scandella on 06 August, 2011, 04:12:38 PM
Has to be Nik Fiend or I'm not watching it :>
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: vzzbux on 06 August, 2011, 04:22:01 PM
Elvis for Death. Stiff acting and the fact he has been dead for years fits the bill perfectly.




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Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: Mardroid on 06 August, 2011, 05:21:52 PM
I'm all for a human actor for Judge Death*. By all means use CGI if his spiritual form is depicted but in the end, he inhabits a physical body. I know it's disproportionate when you consider the length of his arms, but I would see that as comic artistic licence. Besides, you can still add such effects to a human actor, although I'd suggest the long arms to be an 'arm stretching' deal to occur in certain scenes rather than being a permanent form of the character.

And the chap who played the Mouth of Sauron would be ideal. I wouldn't mind a new up and comer too.

*Not that a CGI character wouldn't include a human actor - Andy Serkis being a prime example - but I'm sure you get what I mean.
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: ABCwarBOT on 06 August, 2011, 11:10:01 PM
I'd prefer any Dredd films to be more grounded in reality than including characters like Judge Death.   I find him a bit naff too.
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: Psidude on 07 August, 2011, 12:28:50 AM
I think judge death is best left in the comic,pj is a much more grounded villiain! :)
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 07 August, 2011, 03:48:03 AM
Quote
Quote from: vzzbux on 06 August, 2011, 04:22:01 PM
Elvis for Death. Stiff acting and the fact he has been dead for years fits the bill perfectly.


:lol: that was a good 'un, vzzbux dude, touche... didn't Death have a musical number in the comic at one time, if he ended it with "than' yoo, than' yoo ver' much!", Elvis is perfect for the role, the only trouble is Priscilla will ask for a bloody fortune for her somewhat deceased ex-hubbie to make a comeback- I don't think DNA Films could afford him, never mind...

If they do attempt Death for a Dredd sequel, he'll probably be like the new Judge uniforms- instantly recognisable yet still extensively redesigned for practical and realism reasons- meaning either a Cursed Earth mutant and/or a rogue PSI Judge gone nuts.  He'll not be as gangly as in the comics (and I wouldn't even hazard a guess as to how his costume might look onscreen), but should have a certain imposing height and physique to actually pose a threat to a hard-as-nails badass like Dredd, which is why Bruce Spence would be perfect casting, he has it all - height (6ft 6in), wiry but not gangly, and that voice (Mouth of Sauron with a hiss and/or rasp) - the whole CG suggestion I'm not dogmatic about, it just depends on how DNA decide to portray him... 
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 07 August, 2011, 03:49:06 AM
Aw dammit, look at how that turned out, bloody quotes :-[...
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: Toni Scandella on 07 August, 2011, 08:43:26 AM
I love that people are already arguing about the origins and design of the main bad guy in the sequel :)
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: SKD on 07 August, 2011, 10:04:22 AM
Quote from: Toni Scandella on 07 August, 2011, 08:43:26 AM
I love that people are already arguing about the origins and design of the main bad guy in the sequel :)

Wait untill we start debating how to end this first trilogy......... In about a months time. :D  My vote for an actor to play Death would be for Wayne Pygram who played Scorpius in Farscape.

Stew.

P.S. Please. How do I get quotes in the little boxes like everybody else? (Not good with computer things :-[)
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: SKD on 07 August, 2011, 10:06:31 AM
 Sorry. I did it and didn't realise I had.  :-[ :-[ :-[

Stew
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: Fuzzed on 07 August, 2011, 10:10:36 AM
Gotta pass the time somehow until the next drip from Dredd.

When I said Empire's made me happy enough to wait until the film trailer, I was talking out my ass. I didn't mean it, I really didn't mean it. This is so painful.

And then Sherlock gets delayed to next year. So much pain.

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My vote for an actor to play Death would be for Wayne Pygram who played Scorpius in Farscape.
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Farscape. The show for leather fetishists everywhere. I don't actually know what Scorpius looks like under that make-up (which was superb), so I'll go google up knowledge now.
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: SKD on 07 August, 2011, 10:19:30 AM
Quote from: Fuzzed on 07 August, 2011, 10:10:36 AM


Farscape. The show for leather fetishists everywhere.

Oh bugger! The cats out the bag now.  :lol:

Stew.
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: vzzbux on 07 August, 2011, 10:40:37 AM
He also doubled up as Peter Cushing for the role of Grand Moff Tarkin in ROTS.
(http://images.tvrage.com/people_galleries/40/117639/81922.jpg)




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Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: Zarjazzer on 07 August, 2011, 01:08:07 PM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_hxJXl-LgayY/SBYfcL-bJ5I/AAAAAAAAA_c/79s6p_QkAyw/s1600/women_of_farscape.jpg

Farscape is not just for leather fetishists! whoops!
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: SKD on 07 August, 2011, 03:48:03 PM
Quote from: vzzbux on 07 August, 2011, 10:40:37 AM
He also doubled up as Peter Cushing for the role of Grand Moff Tarkin in ROTS.
(http://images.tvrage.com/people_galleries/40/117639/81922.jpg)




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Look at the cheekbones, that jaw line. Put a helmet with a portcullis on him and I think we have a winner.

Stew.
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: Goaty on 07 August, 2011, 04:00:43 PM
(http://imgur.com/5yzFt.jpg)
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: SKD on 07 August, 2011, 04:44:28 PM
 Brilliant Goaty, just brilliant. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Stew.
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: TordelBack on 07 August, 2011, 05:05:39 PM
Nah, that helmet sits way too high up his head.   ;)

Obviously Death has to be played by Bruce Spence: who could play the twisted opposite of a Kiwi but an Ozzer?  Unfortunately that means he can't appear until the third and last movie (see Mad Max, Star Wars Prequels, Lord of the Rings, Narnia films, The Matrix, etc etc etc).

As noted above, his Mouth of Sauron is a fine model to follow, and his Tion Medon isn't far off either:

(http://images.wikia.com/lotr/images/b/b8/Mouth_of_Sauron.jpg)

(http://unrealitymag.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/sith.jpg)
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: TordelBack on 07 August, 2011, 05:08:21 PM
....Urrrgh, just realised that Spence is in fact another New Zealander.  So much for that theory.
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: SKD on 07 August, 2011, 05:14:00 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 07 August, 2011, 05:08:21 PM
....Urrrgh, just realised that Spence is in fact another New Zealander.  So much for that theory.

Where as Wayne Pygram is.............. Australian. :D

Stew.
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: TordelBack on 07 August, 2011, 05:31:39 PM
Quote from: SKD on 07 August, 2011, 05:14:00 PM
Where as Wayne Pygram is.............. Australian. :D

Bah! Thwarted! 
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: TordelBack on 07 August, 2011, 05:36:57 PM
... Still, this footage does suggest to me that a practical make-up Death would be infinitely preferable to a CGI futz, whoever's under the gnashers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrLizclY8nU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrLizclY8nU)
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: SmallBlueThing on 07 August, 2011, 05:59:10 PM
Just put a judge uniform on a plastic skellington, put it against a greenscreen, and move the jaw up and down. Voice could be anybody with a lisp.

SBT
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: SKD on 07 August, 2011, 06:04:57 PM

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Quote from: TordelBack on 07 August, 2011, 05:36:57 PM
... Still, this footage does suggest to me that a practical make-up Death would be infinitely preferable to a CGI futz, whoever's under the gnashers.

I totally agree.  :thumbsup:

Stew.
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: SKD on 07 August, 2011, 06:10:09 PM
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 07 August, 2011, 05:59:10 PM
Just put a judge uniform on a plastic skellington, put it against a greenscreen, and move the jaw up and down. Voice could be anybody with a lisp.

SBT

Violet Elizabeth Bolt?

Stew

Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: blackmocco on 07 August, 2011, 06:35:35 PM
And there's always this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-rl8q9jezU
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: blackmocco on 07 August, 2011, 06:37:32 PM
And just to warn you, if you haven't seen Hellboy 2 and you intend to, that youtube clip's got some serious spoilers...
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: Michaelvk on 07 August, 2011, 06:38:10 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 07 August, 2011, 05:36:57 PM
... Still, this footage does suggest to me that a practical make-up Death would be infinitely preferable to a CGI futz, whoever's under the gnashers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrLizclY8nU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrLizclY8nU)

Not unlike putting a helmet on this chap's lower features:
(http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/7300000/HellBoy-horror-movies-7375879-1680-1050.jpg)
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: blackmocco on 07 August, 2011, 06:41:49 PM
Unbelievable! Just posted that clip above you Michael. I'm going to put it down to great minds and all that...
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: Beeks on 07 August, 2011, 07:10:05 PM
Death is Naff..great for comics but aside from 2000ad fans I reckon the cinema audience would find him ridiculous

Plenty of decent Dredd stories

The Day The Law died would be brilliant
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: Hoagy on 07 August, 2011, 07:14:39 PM
Quote from: Beeks on 07 August, 2011, 07:10:05 PM
Death is Naff..great for comics but aside from 2000ad fans I reckon the cinema audience would find him ridiculous

Plenty of decent Dredd stories

The Day The Law died would be brilliant

That's basically the plot surrounding Stallone's Dredd, Beeks, you ninny.
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: Beeks on 07 August, 2011, 07:22:30 PM
Quote from: Krombasher on 07 August, 2011, 07:14:39 PM
Quote from: Beeks on 07 August, 2011, 07:10:05 PM
Death is Naff..great for comics but aside from 2000ad fans I reckon the cinema audience would find him ridiculous

Plenty of decent Dredd stories

The Day The Law died would be brilliant

That's basically the plot surrounding Stallone's Dredd, Beeks, you ninny.

Yeah but I'm talking about Judge Cal in all his camp splendour..I even know who can play Cal

Owen Wilson!!

Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: TordelBack on 07 August, 2011, 07:28:25 PM
Quote from: Beeks on 07 August, 2011, 07:22:30 PM
Yeah but I'm talking about Judge Cal in all his camp splendour..I even know who can play Cal

Pat Mills.

Or John Hurt, at a pinch.  I'm sure he misses that curly wig. 

(http://www.bbc.co.uk/derby/content/images/2008/04/16/john_hurt_caligula_150x180.jpg)
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: Beeks on 07 August, 2011, 07:44:10 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 07 August, 2011, 07:28:25 PM
Quote from: Beeks on 07 August, 2011, 07:22:30 PM
Yeah but I'm talking about Judge Cal in all his camp splendour..I even know who can play Cal

Pat Mills.

Or John Hurt, at a pinch.  I'm sure he misses that curly wig. 

(http://www.bbc.co.uk/derby/content/images/2008/04/16/john_hurt_caligula_150x180.jpg)

My impression of Cal was always that he wasn't that old though?
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: TordelBack on 07 August, 2011, 08:19:02 PM
Ah sure it's amazing what they can do with lighting these days.
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: Hoagy on 07 August, 2011, 08:20:46 PM
David Tennant in the same wig. Problem solved.
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: Eric Plumrose on 07 August, 2011, 09:34:55 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 07 August, 2011, 05:08:21 PM
....Urrrgh, just realised that Spence is in fact another New Zealander.  So much for that theory.

. . . Academic as it is, I do feel compelled to mention yer man Spence first appeared in the second MAD MAX movie.
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: Mardroid on 07 August, 2011, 10:10:48 PM
Quote from: Eric Plumrose on 07 August, 2011, 09:34:55 PM
. . . Academic as it is, I do feel compelled to mention yer man Spence first appeared in the second MAD MAX movie.

Now you mention it, I think I remember him! The 'flying man', right? The bloke with the do-it-yourself helicopter.
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: TordelBack on 07 August, 2011, 10:16:54 PM
Quote from: Eric Plumrose on 07 August, 2011, 09:34:55 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 07 August, 2011, 05:08:21 PM
....Urrrgh, just realised that Spence is in fact another New Zealander.  So much for that theory.

. . . Academic as it is, I do feel compelled to mention yer man Spence first appeared in the second MAD MAX movie.

True, and had there been an edit function after I hit 'post' I would have corrected myself - but even I shy from a triple post.
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: Eric Plumrose on 07 August, 2011, 11:12:44 PM
Quote from: Mardroid on 07 August, 2011, 10:10:48 PM
Quote from: Eric Plumrose on 07 August, 2011, 09:34:55 PM
. . . Academic as it is, I do feel compelled to mention yer man Spence first appeared in the second MAD MAX movie.

Now you mention it, I think I remember him! The 'flying man', right? The bloke with the do-it-yourself helicopter.

The Gyro Captain, that's the fella. By THUNDERDOME, he's found some Colgate and now has a name: 'Jedediah', if the end credits are to be believed. Despite the gnashers and the pith helmet, however, Max still recognizes him:

"You!"
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: Goaty on 07 August, 2011, 11:17:39 PM
Quote from: Eric Plumrose on 07 August, 2011, 11:12:44 PM
The Gyro Captain, that's the fella. By THUNDERDOME, he's found some Colgate and now has a name: 'Jedediah', if the end credits are to be believed. Despite the gnashers and the pith helmet, however, Max still recognizes him:

"You!"

Cos he stole Mad Max's car at start of third film!
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: Eric Plumrose on 07 August, 2011, 11:31:32 PM
Quote from: Goaty on 07 August, 2011, 11:17:39 PM
Quote from: Eric Plumrose on 07 August, 2011, 11:12:44 PM
The Gyro Captain, that's the fella. By THUNDERDOME, he's found some Colgate and now has a name: 'Jedediah', if the end credits are to be believed. Despite the gnashers and the pith helmet, however, Max still recognizes him:

"You!"

Cos he stole Mad Max's car at start of third film!

Been a while since I last saw THUNDERDOME but Gibson's intonation (as I remember it) isn't just accusatory, it's one of sudden recognition.
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: MarsHottentot on 08 August, 2011, 12:37:09 AM
Quote from: Krombasher on 07 August, 2011, 08:20:46 PM
David Tennant in the same wig. Problem solved.

Oh, I like that!

Quote from: Eric Plumrose on 07 August, 2011, 11:31:32 PM
Quote from: Goaty on 07 August, 2011, 11:17:39 PM
Quote from: Eric Plumrose on 07 August, 2011, 11:12:44 PM
The Gyro Captain, that's the fella. By THUNDERDOME, he's found some Colgate and now has a name: 'Jedediah', if the end credits are to be believed. Despite the gnashers and the pith helmet, however, Max still recognizes him:

"You!"

Cos he stole Mad Max's car at start of third film!

Been a while since I last saw THUNDERDOME but Gibson's intonation (as I remember it) isn't just accusatory, it's one of sudden recognition.

Definitely.  And IMDB lists him as "Jedediah the Pilot", just to make it clear.
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 08 August, 2011, 02:08:18 AM
The trouble with having an actor just play Judge Death in physical make-up and costume is that he'll look just that- an actor in make-up and costume!  Death should be something inhuman and genuinely terrifying, not to mention actually pose a real threat to and be a worthy opponent to Dredd and the justice system, which is why I believe he should be a CG creation, so people will have no doubt he's not just a man in a suit.  Whoever it was that expressed reservation about CGI (sorry I can't remember), take a look at District 9- amazingly realistic computer-generated aliens on a budget.

Another question though, how would you properly adapt Death's iconic costume for a Dredd sequel, I doubt it would be just biker leathers, but then again...?
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: vzzbux on 08 August, 2011, 11:22:11 AM
Sod all these actors I would make a good Death. (In a handsome, beardy way)
(http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-ash1/v360/183/74/533171023/n533171023_1030447_935.jpg?dl=1)




V
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: IAMTHESYSTEM on 08 August, 2011, 11:34:37 AM
Very convincing. An Oscar nomination from me!  :)
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: Dash Decent on 08 August, 2011, 01:10:09 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 07 August, 2011, 07:28:25 PM
Quote from: Beeks on 07 August, 2011, 07:22:30 PM
Yeah but I'm talking about Judge Cal in all his camp splendour..I even know who can play Cal
John Hurt, at a pinch.  I'm sure he misses that curly wig. 

(http://www.bbc.co.uk/derby/content/images/2008/04/16/john_hurt_caligula_150x180.jpg)

Wouldn't casting a famous "Caligula" as Cal just serve to highlight the connection?  I thought the whole idea would be to try and draw attention away from it, not help fill in the dots!

So, Judge Death - Steve Tyler perhaps?  His mouth is freaky.
Title: Re: Why you should'nt be so "comicy" about the new film
Post by: JOE SOAP on 08 August, 2011, 09:49:00 PM
Quote from: vzzbux on 08 August, 2011, 11:22:11 AM
Sod all these actors I would make a good Death. (In a handsome, beardy way)
(http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-ash1/v360/183/74/533171023/n533171023_1030447_935.jpg?dl=1)


Dredd...I'm gonna beard rash ya to death.