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Title: Camelot 3000
Post by: Shakara on 10 March, 2004, 03:19:22 PM
who has read this? Brian Bolland, Mike W. Barr...

Well, yous guys probably all know it, but if ye don't, check it out because it's quite the good story, and it also includes Glastonbury Tor in the future, tis destined to remain, surely.
Hooray.
Why am I talking, again? I'll just go!

Shakara!
Title: Re: Camelot 3000
Post by: House of Usher on 10 March, 2004, 03:32:33 PM
Yep, I've collected all 13 parts from mail order sellers and comics marts. One day I'll find the time to read them...
Title: Re: Camelot 3000
Post by: Dudley on 10 March, 2004, 03:35:43 PM
Anyone with the good taste to call themselves "Shakara" is surely welcome here!

What's this Camelot thing all about, then?
Title: Re: Camelot 3000
Post by: Shakara on 10 March, 2004, 03:52:19 PM
twas a comic series, I dunno when it was but it was by the artist-shaped god BRIAN BOLLAND and some New Yorker with a little hat called Mike Barr.
It was about ol' King Arthur coming alive in the year 3000 and bringin' all his knights together and fighting his evil half-sister Morgan LeFay and loads of space aliens.
My parents went to Canada and bought it back for me, and its DARNED GROOVY

Shakara!
Title: Re: Camelot 3000
Post by: House of Usher on 10 March, 2004, 04:01:03 PM
Camelot 3000 appeared around 1985. I think the cover carried an advertising stamp for one of those DC crossovers, like Crisis on Infinite Earths or Millennium, which dates it to around that time. Shakara's description pretty much has it, really. King Arthur in the year 3000, with aliens.
Title: Re: Camelot 3000
Post by: Shakara on 10 March, 2004, 04:04:02 PM
...green aliens
Title: Re: Camelot 3000
Post by: House of Usher on 10 March, 2004, 04:09:19 PM
...green aliens, apparently. ;.p
Title: Re: Camelot 3000
Post by: Shakara on 10 March, 2004, 04:42:43 PM
...and how long did it take Bolland to draw the whole thing, because I remember in THRILL-POWER OVERLOAD they had to push a Death story forward a couple of months so he could draw, like, an extra page or WHATEVA
But its worth it, just look at his art man, just LOOK at it...

dude

Shakara!
Title: Re: Camelot 3000
Post by: House of Usher on 10 March, 2004, 04:47:14 PM
I heard very recently that there was over a year between part 12 and part 13 of Camelot 3000 being published because Brian Bolland had a lot of other commitments that stopped him finishing the last issue on schedule. This delay was something of a record apparently, and even now, industry commentators talk about an overdue comic being delayed almost as long as (or longer than) Camelot 3000 #13.
Title: Re: Camelot 3000
Post by: Shakara on 10 March, 2004, 04:51:33 PM
I genuinely didn't know that.
But look at the ARTWORK. Just look at it go!

Anyway, I think he did alright on the Tor. Still, on any future Tors I've seen in comics (that's two) I haven't seen any of Glastonbury town there, which is odd, isn't it? You'd think at least the Woolworths would've survived..

Shakara!
Title: Re: Camelot 3000
Post by: ARRISARRIS on 10 March, 2004, 04:54:25 PM
Does the camelot 3000 graphic novel reprint issue 13? i remember it only as a 12 issue series, whats the crack???
Title: Re: Camelot 3000
Post by: Shakara on 10 March, 2004, 04:56:32 PM
Yes, yes it does, tis quite a fat graphic novel actually...

well, it seems to end, anyway what with the alien sword-holding thing.
Title: Re: Camelot 3000
Post by: sigu on 10 March, 2004, 04:58:47 PM
The only issue of Camelot 3000 I saw was pencilled by Bolland but inked by Terry Austin who appeared to have used felt tip pens instead of BB's fine brush. It wasn't pretty.
Title: Re: Camelot 3000
Post by: Shakara on 10 March, 2004, 05:02:15 PM
Which issue was that?
Title: Re: Camelot 3000
Post by: Wils on 10 March, 2004, 05:27:03 PM
IIRC, Brian didn't ink *any* of Camelot 3000. There's some really awful inking of his pencils in there, though.
Title: Re: Camelot 3000
Post by: sigu on 10 March, 2004, 05:29:38 PM
It was #11, Shakara.

I'd be interested to know if this was the only issue not inked by BB. I'd assumed Terry Austin inked all of it, but from what's been said here about schedule problems towards the end, maybe he was brought in on #11 to help Bolland's workload.
Title: Re: Camelot 3000
Post by: Wils on 10 March, 2004, 05:41:29 PM
Yep. I was right. The issues not inked by Austin were done by Bruce D Patterson.

I'll put me hood down now. :)
Title: Re: Camelot 3000
Post by: Priv8eye on 10 March, 2004, 06:04:13 PM
IIRC Camelot 3000 was supposed to be DC's firstcomic that did not subscibe to the then Comic Code Authority.  This ment that it was able to takle a more "adult" audience and aim that bit higher.

In some ways I think DC regard it as a mile stone in the history of comics.

Generally its okay, I do have it in my collection but havn't read it for yonks because I feel it has not aged too well compared to other stuff  (cracking yyarn though)
Title: Re: Camelot 3000
Post by: Shakara on 10 March, 2004, 06:15:06 PM
Aye, its a brilliant story, and yeh, there are some really aged peices to it, what with the massive shoulder-pads everyone seems to wear in the future (no offence to Dreddy)
Some of the dialogue is pretty amazing, though

Sh-sh-sh-shag carpeting
Title: Re: Camelot 3000
Post by: Byron Virgo on 10 March, 2004, 06:42:41 PM
I'm selling a copy of the collected Camelot 3000 tpb from 1988 on ebay if anyone fancies it...

Link: Camelot 3000 Only 99p...

Title: Re: Camelot 3000
Post by: Shakara on 10 March, 2004, 06:46:52 PM
Yes, someone go buy it cos it's good.
Or get the fat-ass graphic novel from somewhere, maybe Amazon. If ye already own it, GO RE-READ it! I dunno why I'm preaching so much, I'm just bored

Link: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0930289307/qid=1078923141/sr=1-3/ref=sr_1_8_3/026-8966119-1093262

Title: Re: Camelot 3000
Post by: Byron Virgo on 10 March, 2004, 06:54:18 PM
?7.38 from Amazon
?5.99 Used & New
?0.99 from Me

You do 'the math'.
Title: Re: Camelot 3000
Post by: Shakara on 10 March, 2004, 06:59:20 PM
*rolls eyes*
Just someone read it
Title: Re: Camelot 3000
Post by: Mr D on 11 March, 2004, 01:10:46 AM
I've read this! I've read this! My uncle sent it from Canada ages ago, and I loved it. It was sooooo good!

Thanks for reminding me of it, I'm gonna go bid for it! I need to read it again!
Title: Re: Camelot 3000
Post by: Darren Stephens on 11 March, 2004, 01:17:26 AM
Its one of my favourite 'collected' books. Ive read it so many times i cant tell you.  Mainly for the art, though. Which, dispite what others have said, is fantastic!
Title: Re: Camelot 3000
Post by: W. R. Logan on 11 March, 2004, 01:17:37 AM
I wouldnt rush out & get it, spend your money on another Graphic Novel as C3000 isnt that good.

La Placa Rifa,
W. R. Logan.
Title: Re: Camelot 3000
Post by: paulvonscott on 11 March, 2004, 01:17:49 AM
I thought Camelot 3000 was really dull.
Title: Re: Camelot 3000
Post by: Mr D on 11 March, 2004, 01:30:25 AM
I'm probably a bit biased, as it was one of my first 'grown up' comics...
I'll have to re-read, but I was pretty fond of it!!
Title: Re: Camelot 3000
Post by: Shakara on 11 March, 2004, 02:51:12 AM
Admittedly it was dull at points, but it is good though...

..people that own it should re-read it
Title: Re: Camelot 3000
Post by: Buddy on 11 March, 2004, 07:22:33 AM
I've been after this for years... and I'm gonna bid on your ebay auction. Never read it but read lots about it.

Any chance you could end the auction early and I'll just buy it from you?

How much do you want for the book?
Title: Re: Camelot 3000
Post by: Buddy on 11 March, 2004, 07:32:49 AM
Anyone else gonna bid on this?

I don't want to get into a bidding war with a fellow border, so if anyone else is intent on getting this I'll pick it up elsewhere.
Title: Re: Camelot 3000
Post by: Mr D on 11 March, 2004, 07:47:05 AM
I might do.... But I'm not that desperate. There's a chance I still have my old copy I suppose! You go right ahead..
Title: Re: Camelot 3000
Post by: Shakara on 11 March, 2004, 03:15:34 PM
Am I the only one who actually has the graphic novel?
Title: Re: Camelot 3000
Post by: Devons Daddy on 11 March, 2004, 04:12:30 PM
i purchased this must be 15 years ago.
as a graphic novel.great book.

bolland did some of the art didnt he? i seem to remeber a page or two on the wall of the FP in denmark street.
Title: Re: Camelot 3000
Post by: Shakara on 11 March, 2004, 04:16:48 PM
Hey did ALL of the art, man. It's a good book for that factor only
Title: Re: Camelot 3000
Post by: Shakara on 11 March, 2004, 04:19:20 PM
...well...not that factor only, but if you think its DULL as some people have said, then the artwork is great, because its amazing
Title: Re: Camelot 3000
Post by: Byron Virgo on 11 March, 2004, 05:31:18 PM
Peronally, I think it would have been better if it had all been inked by Bolland as well, but due to time constraints lots of it wasn't. Also, it suffered, like a lot of early work from UK artists in America, from some terrible colouring. Plus, Mike W. Barr is more what you might class as an 'old school' writer (eg. from the days when no-one even considered that comics were actually written by someone). For me the most interesting point in the whole story is at the end where the whole story of the sword in the stone starts again but on a completely alien planet. I personally would have found it more interesting to have seen the whole story told from this perspective. Still, some bloody nice art though.

ps. Anyone considering bidding on my copy on ebay should ignore what I've just said. It's a great book and the best story you'll ever read in your life. Ever.
Title: Re: Camelot 3000
Post by: Shakara on 11 March, 2004, 06:25:36 PM
Yeh...right!

Everyone go re-read it!
Title: Re: Camelot 3000
Post by: Byron Virgo on 11 March, 2004, 07:44:12 PM
Looks like quite a few people are bidding on it at the moment (and there was me thinking it wasn't going to sell). However, if you are unable to win it, I noticed another auction on ebay selling  #12 which no-one has bid on yet (see link at bottom of page).

If neither of them is any good, I happen to know that Comics Showcase on Charring Cross Road still have a few copies to sell. If you can't make it down there, I would be quite happy to nip in there and pick up a copy and post it to you next time I'm down that way (next week prob, as I'm working there then)for whoever might want one. If anyone's interested, just drop me a line.

Link: Camelot 3000 #12

Title: Re: Camelot 3000
Post by: Wils on 11 March, 2004, 07:49:17 PM
spend your money on another Graphic Novel as C3000 isnt that good

But it's a work of literary genius compared with Batman: Digital Justice.
Title: Re: Camelot 3000
Post by: Byron Virgo on 11 March, 2004, 08:03:36 PM
Oh no! I saw that in a shop just the other day. That brought back some memories. I can't believe that when I was younger I believed that it was the same book as Dark Knight Returns. It got me really pissed off that everyone rated this story so highly. It wasn't until years later that I discovered my error.
Title: Re: Camelot 3000
Post by: Wils on 11 March, 2004, 08:10:04 PM
Digital Justice ha *got* to be a contender for 'Worst Graphic Novel of All Time'.
Title: Re: Camelot 3000
Post by: Shakara on 11 March, 2004, 08:13:04 PM
Now there's an idea for a thread!
Title: Re: Camelot 3000
Post by: Byron Virgo on 11 March, 2004, 08:32:09 PM
It looked SOOO BAD as well. And at the time the DC marketing people kept on saying "This is the future of comics. Soon all comics will look like this".

It's no wonder the industry took a nosedive.