Finally, having looked at the pictures in Empire and digested everything that I need from them, I have decided to comment and Grud says, 'it's all good'.
First up, the complete package! Helmet, badges, leathers, pads, Lawgiver and colour scheme, it's all there and it looks like a real uniform that could be worn on the streets to fight crime! Above all, that is what the uniform is for and so we don't need to see the extremes of certain artists work up on the big screen.
Having not read the script (why would I want to spoil the surprise) but sadly not being able to escape the gist of the storyline, this uniform seems to be from the early stages of Mega City One. Because of this, it has to be practical, hard wearing, easy to wear and distinctive in a crowd.
Before I continue, a bit of advice for anyone not knowledgeable with the Military/Police and the wearing of uniforms. You get issued two types, work and parade. Many people try and slightly alter the works uniform just to make themselves look a little better and usually are met with the phrase "it's not a FUCKING fashion parade!" on inspection.
Above all these uniforms are NOT bespoke, you get the size or nearest size to your size, that's life!
Helmet – When issued these you would be issued a stock size for your head. It's not made individually for your face and therefore some may not look right but they're not there to be all nice and pretty. It's there to protect primarily and secondly to help you stand out in a crowd to let the public see you, if they need your help. When that first picture came out, screams of it's too big flooded the net. I knew it was mainly down to the angle of the picture and the point above (Dredd is just one of many Law enforcers and so wouldn't be made an individual one).
Looking at the pic of four Judges in Empire on page 98, you can see this point. Lex has part of his cheeks in shadow and there is light between the bottom of the helmet and neck protector, so the helmet looks big. Alvarez looks spot on, his dark skin blends with the shadows and his neck protector is higher and goes up behind the back of the helmet, making it look smaller.
The Judge stood at the rear looks absolutely perfect. The smaller Judge, well I take you to my point about being issued your helmet. If the helmet is your size then unlucky that's the one you will be issued!
I have noticed that no-one has mentioned that your vision is extremely limited inside this type of helmet, good! We have to have this look otherwise it just aint Dredd, so let's move on!
Leathers/Body Armour – Spot on with the hard wearing, contact parts being reinforced and the areas where you need to breathe being made more accomodating (around the crotch – look at the cover). You can also see tiny holes around the body armour, probably to help keep you cool by wicking moisture away from you. You have to make a stand between protection and comfort and protection will always come out on top!
Shoulder Pads – Perfect for what is needed. As has been said by many a fan, these are as close to the original version of the Judges uniform as we have seen in a long time, close fitting and protective! There are no snag points on these, so you can shoulder barge your way through bodies and doorways without worrying about being slowed down. The eagle is embossed on the right hand shoulder, which is great and they are functional. They've even made them gold in colour, what more do you need! Some have mentioned the sloping shoulders, I take you to the point at the top, again!
Badges – The name badge reminds me of Stallone's a little and I can live with that. It's functional, flat (no hero badges here) and sunk into the chest armour (no snag points) so it's another practical part of the uniform. Okay, there's no chain but that's a grab point for a perp in close quarter combat and is a big no-no. Just look at the amount of clip on ties that have to be worn in certain jobs nowadays because it's a grab point enabling the wearer to be choked, similar stuff!
Elbow/Knee Pads – Again spot on and green.
Colour Scheme – This is perfect, with the helmet, the black/blue of the leathers, gold shoulder pads and green boots, knee and elbow pads
My final point is about the room entry picture on pages 100/101. This is superb, see how Dredd is balanced as his foot is hitting the door, none of that superhero bollocks here. The Lawgiver is in the two handed grip and so can't be knocked out of his hand as he advances through the perps upon entry. Once his foot smashes through that door his body will lean forward and the Lawgiver will be front and centre and perfectly in line with his vision.
Anderson has another perfect weapon hold and look how she is leaning into the fire position, with her body braced. Her eyeline is above the rear sights of her weapon (it's CQB –close quarter battle) as she doesn't need to aim over a distance. She seems to be stood slightly to the left of Dredd, covering the door in case anyone is in view behind it, covering fire needed!
If there are any points anyone wants clarifying I can go into certain stuff a bit bit more in depth if they want but I think that covers most of the uniform and the way it's used in the real world! I'm sure most of the long time members of the board know where I'm coming from, due to my history and so I can offer a more reasoned view over the uniform, especially one that can be used in counter terrorism!
Above all remember this from my wife, "Get a life, it's only a film!"
The divorce papers are going in tomorrow ;)
Well post. I agree with you on all points.
An excellent summary. ABCwarBOT needs to read this.
V
Spot on indeed! Well said!
Applause, John, loud and sustained applause.
If a picky drokker like Commando Forces, with all his specialist knowledge of both Dredd and the reality of armed forces, can write a hymn of praise like that, you know that these guys have got it right.
>>>>>>>P minus 2<<<<<<<
Sorry CF you're not focusing on the important. Is it neapolitan or what?
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 28 July, 2011, 08:01:45 PM
"Get a life, it's only a film!"
Ha ha - true :P
but grrrrr!!!! :lol:
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES' WIFE on 28 July, 2011, 08:01:45 PM
"Get a life, it's only a film!"
I've corrected who that quote was from, as it was from my wife ;)
Heh , I should have amended that meself , but that's better.
I don't like fish.
Spot on CF, brilliant write up.
My wife's the same.
I think this is the best reason to look forward to the movie yet. Cheers CF!
One word"SPUNK"!!! :lol:
They should have added a cape...
PVS
Nice one, CF!
Want. Film. Now. (But could wait a bit for them to polish it off a bit...)
Dang tootin' CF!
But doesn't 2000AD lore say we have to see Anderson's nipples through the thickest of leather?
Quote from: Pete Wells on 29 July, 2011, 01:23:31 AMBut doesn't 2000AD lore say we have to see Anderson's nipples through the thickest of leather?
I can see them, all of them. You just need to know where to look. Just eat a whole pack of Neapolitan ice cream first - massive brain freeze helps, a lot.
Sorry I'm with ABCWarbot.
haha not really!
Good work John, a bit long winded (as always), but you could sum the movie uniform up in one word - 'practical'.
The comic uniform is great and iconic but how many real life judges would have copped it while their eagle was jammed in a doorway?
My only niggle is the helmet is too big, but that was dispelled somewhat with the shot of the three judges in Empire where it looked fine.
All good for me - apart from the 13 month wait!
CF - That was a great read. Thank you.
well done that man! i hope all the various scojo alter egos are reading from their padded mum's basement.
maybe they'll do a dress uniform in a sequel that more matched the anally obsessed "fan's" view on "how it should be" .
i bought the mag ,its tops and theres a new muppet film coming out!!! :D
well said CF, can that be cut and pasted into all the movie thread?s :D
Good post OP - and we may yet see the big gold eagle if theres a reason to show a ceremonial uniform - eg graduation flashback or formal guard.
What he said.
CF's post is just what I was thinking after reading various nah sayers on here. (he clearly knows his stuff & was well written)
Empire pics were lovely to see (the mag is crap tho)
Now a break for a few months untill another snippet
When you're right you're right!
Quote from: Rex The Runt on 29 July, 2011, 05:49:53 PM
Good post OP - and we may yet see the big gold eagle if theres a reason to show a ceremonial uniform - eg graduation flashback or formal guard.
Not this year or the next.
Quote from: dweezil2 on 29 July, 2011, 06:54:57 PM
When you're right you're right!
hear hear or is it here here :lol: :lol:
While I was at work last night I had a niggling feeling in the back of my mind about one item that I had talked about and that was the helmet and the angles of vision obtained while wearing it and then it hit me :-[
I thought back to my counter terrorism jollies and remembered what I was wearing on my head many a time (depending on the situation), that's right folks, the SF10 Respirator!
As with the Judge helmet the vision is terrible but with training, discipline and belief in your equipment it's easy to use and you just get on with the job when you wear it!
I believe that will counteract any argument about the vision from the helmet in the future!
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 29 July, 2011, 08:00:17 PMI believe that will counteract any argument about the vision from the helmet in the future![/color]
Who're you kiddin', of course it won't, most people don't do counter-terrorism or care, they will call it as
they see it...and after all
it's only a film.
Now, back to you cellar and stop thinking
defence, there's stock-taking to be done for the big
garage-sale...or didn't your wife tell you...?
Funny you should mention the 'Cellar', I've just taken a load of pics of fridge magnets and spugs for the next few articles ;)
Anymore videos?
I still have to do a walkthrough one! May do it this weekend :-\
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 29 July, 2011, 08:30:46 PM
I still have to do a walkthrough one! May do it this weekend :-\
The Inner Sanctum Unveiled!
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 29 July, 2011, 08:00:17 PM
As with the Judge helmet the vision is terrible but with training, discipline and belief in your equipment it's easy to use and you just get on with the job when you wear it!
I believe that will counteract any argument about the vision from the helmet in the future!
Nah, I'm with the whole camera on the outside of the helmet projecting all kinds of views and stats on the inside. I hope we get to see something like that in the movie too...
I would go for the electronic image projection display in the bucket as well. That tech isn't that far from us NOW.
V
Quote from: vzzbux on 28 July, 2011, 08:12:14 PM
An excellent summary. ABCwarBOT needs to read this.
V
I have read what Commando Forces says and to be honest I agree with a lot of it. My only real problem as I said in the other thread is the shoulders and the missing chain.
I know Dredds uniform can't be translated exactly like it is in the comics. That would be stupid. He'd have massive shoulders which would restrict his movement and a massive chain which would get in his way.
BUT that still doesn't mean they had to round the shoulders off as much as that and make the left one so small. Even just a bit bigger would have been ok......and even a smaller eagle jutting out from the right pad would have been ok and wouldn't restrict his movement > but still give him a more authentic profile.
There was no need to go quite as far as that with the shoulder pads.
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 28 July, 2011, 08:01:45 PM
Finally, having looked at the pictures in Empire and digested everything that I need from them, I have decided to comment and Grud says, 'it's all good'.
First up, the complete package! Helmet, badges, leathers, pads, Lawgiver and colour scheme, it's all there and it looks like a real uniform that could be worn on the streets to fight crime! Above all, that is what the uniform is for and so we don't need to see the extremes of certain artists work up on the big screen.
Having not read the script (why would I want to spoil the surprise) but sadly not being able to escape the gist of the storyline, this uniform seems to be from the early stages of Mega City One. Because of this, it has to be practical, hard wearing, easy to wear and distinctive in a crowd.
Before I continue, a bit of advice for anyone not knowledgeable with the Military/Police and the wearing of uniforms. You get issued two types, work and parade. Many people try and slightly alter the works uniform just to make themselves look a little better and usually are met with the phrase "it's not a FUCKING fashion parade!" on inspection.
Above all these uniforms are NOT bespoke, you get the size or nearest size to your size, that's life!
Helmet – When issued these you would be issued a stock size for your head. It's not made individually for your face and therefore some may not look right but they're not there to be all nice and pretty. It's there to protect primarily and secondly to help you stand out in a crowd to let the public see you, if they need your help. When that first picture came out, screams of it's too big flooded the net. I knew it was mainly down to the angle of the picture and the point above (Dredd is just one of many Law enforcers and so wouldn't be made an individual one).
Looking at the pic of four Judges in Empire on page 98, you can see this point. Lex has part of his cheeks in shadow and there is light between the bottom of the helmet and neck protector, so the helmet looks big. Alvarez looks spot on, his dark skin blends with the shadows and his neck protector is higher and goes up behind the back of the helmet, making it look smaller.
The Judge stood at the rear looks absolutely perfect. The smaller Judge, well I take you to my point about being issued your helmet. If the helmet is your size then unlucky that's the one you will be issued!
I have noticed that no-one has mentioned that your vision is extremely limited inside this type of helmet, good! We have to have this look otherwise it just aint Dredd, so let's move on!
Leathers/Body Armour – Spot on with the hard wearing, contact parts being reinforced and the areas where you need to breathe being made more accomodating (around the crotch – look at the cover). You can also see tiny holes around the body armour, probably to help keep you cool by wicking moisture away from you. You have to make a stand between protection and comfort and protection will always come out on top!
Shoulder Pads – Perfect for what is needed. As has been said by many a fan, these are as close to the original version of the Judges uniform as we have seen in a long time, close fitting and protective! There are no snag points on these, so you can shoulder barge your way through bodies and doorways without worrying about being slowed down. The eagle is embossed on the right hand shoulder, which is great and they are functional. They've even made them gold in colour, what more do you need! Some have mentioned the sloping shoulders, I take you to the point at the top, again!
Badges – The name badge reminds me of Stallone's a little and I can live with that. It's functional, flat (no hero badges here) and sunk into the chest armour (no snag points) so it's another practical part of the uniform. Okay, there's no chain but that's a grab point for a perp in close quarter combat and is a big no-no. Just look at the amount of clip on ties that have to be worn in certain jobs nowadays because it's a grab point enabling the wearer to be choked, similar stuff!
Elbow/Knee Pads – Again spot on and green.
Colour Scheme – This is perfect, with the helmet, the black/blue of the leathers, gold shoulder pads and green boots, knee and elbow pads
My final point is about the room entry picture on pages 100/101. This is superb, see how Dredd is balanced as his foot is hitting the door, none of that superhero bollocks here. The Lawgiver is in the two handed grip and so can't be knocked out of his hand as he advances through the perps upon entry. Once his foot smashes through that door his body will lean forward and the Lawgiver will be front and centre and perfectly in line with his vision.
Anderson has another perfect weapon hold and look how she is leaning into the fire position, with her body braced. Her eyeline is above the rear sights of her weapon (it's CQB –close quarter battle) as she doesn't need to aim over a distance. She seems to be stood slightly to the left of Dredd, covering the door in case anyone is in view behind it, covering fire needed!
If there are any points anyone wants clarifying I can go into certain stuff a bit bit more in depth if they want but I think that covers most of the uniform and the way it's used in the real world! I'm sure most of the long time members of the board know where I'm coming from, due to my history and so I can offer a more reasoned view over the uniform, especially one that can be used in counter terrorism!
Above all remember this from my wife, "Get a life, it's only a film!"
The divorce papers are going in tomorrow ;)
There
is however though one other fly in the ointment for anyone who agrees with everything Command Forces says about the uniform > and dismisses my argument about the shoulders.
If the uniform had to have the shoulder pads altered for realism.........then what about the helmet?
If the uniform is going for total realism.......then why is Dredds vision so restricted with that cross? Why hasn't that been altered for realism? That would restrict him more than any shoulder pad surely?
Or is it ok to have Dredds helmet stay the same so it looks like the comic version.........as Commando says...."We have to have this look otherwise it just ain't Dredd"......but it's not ok for the shoulders?
As Commando also says "so let's move on"
So it's ok to "move on" and ignore the realism flaw with the helmet but not ok to have the shoulders look more like the comics > even though they could probably have been done more authentic and still be realistic?
You all see where I'm coming from?
Van.
Nil.
Ah!
You need to read my post further along, I had a niggle all night about that. There was something in the back of my mind telling me there was a reason this was okay and it was the wearing of a respirator while I used to assault oil rigs and ships in British territorial waters, etc...
I had to be able to fast rope down from a chinook, or whatever was being used wearing it. Move through corridors/rooms/stairwells, etc... I had to be able use my primary and secondary weapons while wearing it. I had to, well you get the point.
Now how was I able to do that, training is how but unlike the Judges I didn't train for 15 years wearing it!
You must remember, training with constant drilling makes a lethal assault team work and produce the desired results. None of this shooting weapons out of peopled hands or going for a leg shot bollocks! If you turn a corner on an assault and confront an enemy, it's quite simple, he dies with the least amount of effort on your part. I'm going off on a tangent now.
I hope the helmet/respirator comparison has quelled your fears now! If anything being able to see out of a respirator is a lot harder than a Judges helmet and I've worn both!
I Bloody love the look of that uniform.
Mr. Forces. Your evaluation was a real eye-opener. The main point I took from it was that it's 'Standard Issue'. Those were the words I couldn't find to describe the appeal of this Dredd.
#Blaspemy Warning#
Y'know the way ye'd all happily debate 'Best Dredd Artist'? And everyone would argue:
'Carlos does the definitive Dredd'
or
'McMahon's Helmets are the most arsomest lookin'
or
'Ron Smith was undoubtably the architect of The Meg as we know it today'
And some one would mention Siku.
#BURP# (yes I've been drinking)
The way I see it, it's a hugely subjective debate about design.
And this Movie Dredd design?
I'd hold it up against any Dredd Artist you'd care to mention.
#BURP#
Chain notwithstanding* this Dre3D has all the elements that every Dredd Artist ever, has always used.
We all read a comic where the protagonists appearances are constantly re-interpreted.
If I was asked to define the 2000AD aesthetic, I couldn't. It has shown me some of the ugliest muddy panels I have ever seen. However, most of the time, there's panel after panel, page after page, of something that can only be defined as Thrill Power.
But after seeing this
#BURP#
It's radical yet familiar.
In a way I haven't seen in the Prog for a long time.
#Blasphemy ends#
*I am SO awesome at drunken typing
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 30 July, 2011, 12:31:42 AM
You need to read my post further along, I had a niggle all night about that. There was something in the back of my mind telling me there was a reason this was okay and it was the wearing of a respirator while I used to assault oil rigs and ships in British territorial waters, etc...
I had to be able to fast rope down from a chinook, or whatever was being used wearing it. Move through corridors/rooms/stairwells, etc... I had to be able use my primary and secondary weapons while wearing it. I had to, well you get the point.
Now how was I able to do that, training is how but unlike the Judges I didn't train for 15 years wearing it!
You must remember, training with constant drilling makes a lethal assault team work and produce the desired results. None of this shooting weapons out of peopled hands or going for a leg shot bollocks! If you turn a corner on an assault and confront an enemy, it's quite simple, he dies with the least amount of effort on your part. I'm going off on a tangent now.
I hope the helmet/respirator comparison has quelled your fears now! If anything being able to see out of a respirator is a lot harder than a Judges helmet and I've worn both!
I've no real problem with the helmet. I prefer it to the Stallone version by a lot......but having made a quick mock up out of cardboard > there's definitely a restriction on vision there with that cross.
If you're really a member or ex member of a commando unit then don't a lot of those respirator helmets have a big piece of perspex for reasonable vision?
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 30 July, 2011, 12:46:44 AMI've no real problem with the helmet. I prefer it to the Stallone version by a lot......but having made a quick mock up out of cardboard > there's definitely a restriction on vision there with that cross.
Good thing people don't have to wear
Judge helmets while watching the film then.
As for your first point, I was and I have pics on my Facebook page showing such things and that includes one pic of me wearing the gear for an assault, while on a range but you can't tell that it's me, as I'm wearing a (this is what it was known as at the time) rapists mask. Plus many on the forum have met me and heard a few stories. I'm not Walter Mitty!
Anyway, back to the respirator. You have to remember that the lenses are quite a distance from your eyes, your nose covering is the equivalent to the Judges cross and you have bugger all peripheral vision. So as you can see it's just like a helmet. So we go back to training and lots of it, remember, practice makes perfect and 15 years of practice makes absolutely perfect, if you ask me ;)
This is killing me, as I'm at work using my phone, so I may not post for a few hours but I will later if you have any more questions.
What about this one! Why is his MASSIVE Lawgiver not held in a boot holster? I'll let you answer that one ;)
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 30 July, 2011, 01:12:11 AM
What about this one! Why is his MASSIVE Lawgiver not held in a boot holster? I'll let you answer that one ;)
Because it wasn't drawn by Carlos ;)
FUCK THAT SHIT...HAS ANYONE SPOTTED A BOOTKNIFE?
Because it was held in the back of his trousers (uniform?). Gangsta style...
Or actually in the front - although it gives you a bit of a rash and you have to check chamber every two minutes...
Quote from: pops1983 on 30 July, 2011, 12:33:00 AM
And this Movie Dredd design?
I'd hold it up against any Dredd Artist you'd care to mention.
Agreed.
I'm just loving the utility of it all, the fact that he looks like he can, for real, handle it all. It's made the fantasy actually seem possible - probable even, if our future turns out as bad as I'm expecting!
As for whether Karl Urban can act like he can, like CF? Very likely. I watched the extras in Doom, where they got trained by an SAS guy, and of course the movie itself, and he sure looks like he's got the moves down pat.
Also, I feel the need to apologise to
Cap America fans, and possibly Americans too - turns out CA is actually quite good. Nothing gritty or realistic, but still. Those sneaky Americans with their sneaky charm powers!
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 30 July, 2011, 12:46:44 AM
but having made a quick mock up out of cardboard > there's definitely a restriction on vision there with that cross.
You've been reading Dredd for
how long and it takes the
second movie version for people (not just you. People all
over the internet are saying the same thing) to start asking "how can he see out of that helmet with the crossed visor?". Fucking unbelievable.
So let's get this much straight: You don't like the shoulder pads because they're not close enough to the comic for you yet you've a problem with the crossed visor which is the one thing they really tried hard to get close...?
I don't know how people haven't twigged who you are yet. No way there's two of you.
Quote from: blackmocco on 30 July, 2011, 04:04:20 AM
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 30 July, 2011, 12:46:44 AM
but having made a quick mock up out of cardboard > there's definitely a restriction on vision there with that cross.
You've been reading Dredd for how long and it takes the second movie version for people (not just you. People all over the internet are saying the same thing) to start asking "how can he see out of that helmet with the crossed visor?". Fucking unbelievable.
So let's get this much straight: You don't like the shoulder pads because they're not close enough to the comic for you yet you've a problem with the crossed visor which is the one thing they really tried hard to get close...?
I don't know how people haven't twigged who you are yet. No way there's two of you.
So who am I then? If you'd read what I said you'll see I was using the crossed visor as an example to show that if they were going for total realism then why did they leave that crossed bit when they radically altered the shoulders?
You'll also see that I said..........."I've no real problem with the helmet".
Whatevs...
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 30 July, 2011, 02:18:54 AM
FUCK THAT SHIT...HAS ANYONE SPOTTED A BOOTKNIFE?
I think I spotted something at the bottom of Dredd's boot in one of the pics that could be a knife, I was thinking the exact same thing Joe...
#ABCwarBOT, I presume you are happy with my reply about the helmet and the vision from it, now?
Quote. I've no real problem with the helmet. I prefer it to the Stallone version by a lot......but having made a quick mock up out of cardboard
You made a mock up out of cardboard to illustrate your point?...Seriously....?..
>speechless<
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 28 July, 2011, 08:52:43 PM
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES' WIFE on 28 July, 2011, 08:01:45 PM
"Get a life, it's only a film!"
I've corrected who that quote was from, as it was from my wife ;)
Mate i know exactly how you feel!!!!!!!! But having said that my youngest Joe who is 23 has said he has really got into reading Batman so i have put him right on that one too, told him there is only one character he needs to immerse himself in!!!!!!
Alright <cracks knuckles> it's about time we all moved on.
ABCwarBot: You really need to let this go. You started an new thread to complain about a single aspect of the uniform and have steadfastly refused to accept that people are not interested in debating that any further.
Opinions and banter and not unwelcome in this forum, but when you continue to push a single agenda you piss people off.
Whether you are a certain person on not is irrelevant at this stage: Let it go, accept that no one wants to hear any more what is about what may be wrong and try to throw in something constructive.
Everyone Else: Give the guy a break and some rope. If he chooses to hang himself...
Cross posted as I don't want anyone missing out.
ABCwarBot: now on ignore suggest other do the same
Yeah, the new look is spot on if you think day is the same as night or positive is the same as negative.
For the rest of us living in the real world, you can tell it's totally UNFAITHFUL to the source material. Any fan defending this turd of a uniform redesign needs to question whether or not they're actually fans of Judge Dredd.
Quote from: Proudhuff on 30 July, 2011, 12:29:17 PM
ABCwarBot: now on ignore suggest other do the same
Prefer to do like this;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjWFZPJZTxU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjWFZPJZTxU)
ABCwarBOT.
To fight in a respirator is fucking horrible. I can guarantee that the Dredd bucket has far superior vision even without electronic visionary aid.
As a soldier, you are conditioned to fight and kill in all aspects of weather/terrain and potential contamination. You see an enemy you kill it end of, which is why you spend many a day on the range shooting targets.
The Judges get 15 years of training thus using all equipment (including the buckets) becomes second nature.
This is me back in 88, miserable, in north Yorkshire (Catterick) wearing an S16 respirator. They are not so bad once you get used to it. I still have mine.
(http://i907.photobucket.com/albums/ac273/vzzbuxvzzbux/Starblazer016.jpg)
V
Just my 2 cents, love the uniform in the pictures, pictures in empire look great, the helmet on the female judge looks stupid. Why didn't they give her a helmet in proportion to her size. It looks like sees looking out the bottom of the visor.
Otherwise despite what some people say, the new look is great.
Quote from: Angry Vince on 30 July, 2011, 08:57:33 AM
Alright <cracks knuckles> it's about time we all moved on.
ABCwarBot: You really need to let this go. You started an new thread to complain about a single aspect of the uniform and have steadfastly refused to accept that people are not interested in debating that any further.
Opinions and banter and not unwelcome in this forum, but when you continue to push a single agenda you piss people off.
Whether you are a certain person on not is irrelevant at this stage: Let it go, accept that no one wants to hear any more what is about what may be wrong and try to throw in something constructive.
Everyone Else: Give the guy a break and some rope. If he chooses to hang himself...
Cross posted as I don't want anyone missing out.
I've said I don't have a problem with the helmet and other parts of the uniform like the boots, badge and knee pads so surely that's constructive?
I'm not the only one who's kept these threads alive don't forget.
Quote from: vzzbux on 30 July, 2011, 05:25:42 PM
ABCwarBOT.
To fight in a respirator is fucking horrible. I can guarantee that the Dredd bucket has far superior vision even without electronic visionary aid.
As a soldier, you are conditioned to fight and kill in all aspects of weather/terrain and potential contamination. You see an enemy you kill it end of, which is why you spend many a day on the range shooting targets.
The Judges get 15 years of training thus using all equipment (including the buckets) becomes second nature.
This is me back in 88, miserable, in north Yorkshire (Catterick) wearing an S16 respirator. They are not so bad once you get used to it. I still have mine.
(http://i907.photobucket.com/albums/ac273/vzzbuxvzzbux/Starblazer016.jpg)
V
I'm sure it is. Again, I don't have a problem with the helmet. I was using that as an example about realism in relation to the shoulders.
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 30 July, 2011, 06:22:10 AM
#ABCwarBOT, I presume you are happy with my reply about the helmet and the vision from it, now?
You're reply was very interesting but there's definitely a bit of a restriction on vision with the helmet. All anyone has to do is put your fingers crossed in front of your eyes to see this.
But I'm glad they made the helmet close to the comic version so the helmet's not an issue for me anyway.
Quote from: SneakeeX on 30 July, 2011, 09:03:43 PM
the helmet on the female judge looks stupid. Why didn't they give her a helmet in proportion to her size. It looks like sees looking out the bottom of the visor.
Dunno but I think it might be her nose is too long as it sticks out past the visor and the helmet won't go down any further, I'm guessing she'll be
offed early in the film. Hers is the only one that's ill-fitting. Anyway it's a press shot so it might not be that way during shooting.
Quote from: vzzbux on 30 July, 2011, 05:25:42 PM
This is me back in 88, miserable, in north Yorkshire (Catterick) wearing an S16 respirator.
Is that after Bob Peck broke into that
Subterranean Nuclear Plant, 'Northmoor'?
Great post Commando Forces, all encompassing. (I think that's the right word.) With the helmet, in the early drawings the eye pieces were larger and rounder. It was Mick McMahon who began to develop the smaller, more angled eye slots later on in the strip. Artistic licence/what looks cool v practicality. Your insight into a combat situation with this visual impedance was, please excuse the pun, eye opening. Once again, great post.
Stew.
S16??
Shit I meant S10 Respirator. Fucking fat fingers.
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"Private Vzzbux, you couldn't hit a barn door from ten paces."
"Sorry, Sarge. Fat fingers."
Thank fuck there's Bill Savage.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 30 July, 2011, 02:18:54 AM
FUCK THAT SHIT...HAS ANYONE SPOTTED A BOOTKNIFE?
Maybe..
Quote from: Michaelvk on 01 August, 2011, 05:59:35 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 30 July, 2011, 02:18:54 AM
FUCK THAT SHIT...HAS ANYONE SPOTTED A BOOTKNIFE?
Maybe..
FUCK THAT BOOTKNIFE! WHAT ABOUT DAYSTICK??? Please no Anal joke punch!
..and as for the vision problem.. It's not that bad really. Trust me.. We all wore one of the lids for a laugh every now and again..
Quote from: Goaty on 01 August, 2011, 06:01:36 PMFUCK THAT BOOTKNIFE! WHAT ABOUT DAYSTICK??? Please no Anal joke punch!
TELESCOPIC-DAYSTICK OR KNIFE?
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff248/burlearth/DAYKNIFE.jpg)
Quote from: vzzbux on 30 July, 2011, 05:25:42 PM
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Hang about.. That's rather poor trigger discipline there ;)
Zombie Apocalypse!
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 01 August, 2011, 06:17:56 PM
Quote from: Goaty on 01 August, 2011, 06:01:36 PMFUCK THAT BOOTKNIFE! WHAT ABOUT DAYSTICK??? Please no Anal joke punch!
TELESCOPIC-DAYSTICK OR KNIFE?
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff248/burlearth/DAYKNIFE.jpg)
Ammo clip i think,most of the belt looks to have clips exposed for easy,quick access i suspect.Thats my guess anyway.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 01 August, 2011, 08:02:33 PM
Quote from: vzzbux on 30 July, 2011, 05:25:42 PM
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Hang about.. That's rather poor trigger discipline there ;)
No magazine, none in the chamber. It's safe. Anyway ready at all times.
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Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 01 August, 2011, 08:16:21 PMAmmo clip i think,most of the belt looks to have clips exposed for easy,quick access i suspect.Thats my guess anyway.
I think that'd be a strange shape for an ammo clip -with silver curved top- especially when it doesn't match the other angular ammo clips festooned around the belt. It's also lower than the belt.
Vzzbx is clearly a Nort, and as such should be killed.
STAKKKK!
Rumbled.
Now to off some Souther scum.
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Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 01 August, 2011, 08:16:21 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 01 August, 2011, 06:17:56 PM
Quote from: Goaty on 01 August, 2011, 06:01:36 PMFUCK THAT BOOTKNIFE! WHAT ABOUT DAYSTICK??? Please no Anal joke punch!
TELESCOPIC-DAYSTICK OR KNIFE?
Ammo clip i think,most of the belt looks to have clips exposed for easy,quick access i suspect.Thats my guess anyway.
Based on Urban's weapon grip his Dredd is right-handed - therefore his magazines would need to be on the left side of the belt in order to enable any kind of tactical reload. I'd hazard a guess that it's the daystick - although (again, in the more "real" life) you generally don't want additional things hanging on the side of the belt you draw your weapon from... obvious reasons...
Hmm could be,his gun holster is also down there,i wonder if its anything to do with that?
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 02 August, 2011, 07:36:01 PM
Hmm could be,his gun holster is also down there,i wonder if its anything to do with that?
As far as I know he's only got the holster there..
Sweet....so whats in his boot? i know you can't answer ;)
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 02 August, 2011, 09:48:48 PM
Sweet....so whats in his boot? i know you can't answer ;)
That's easy his foot and lower leg.......
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 01 August, 2011, 08:09:59 PM
Zombie Apocalypse!
Zompocalypse!
....Thanks ants
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jtU9BbReQk
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 01 August, 2011, 08:30:47 PM
I think that'd be a strange shape for an ammo clip -with silver curved top- especially when it doesn't match the other angular ammo clips festooned around the belt. It's also lower than the belt.
At least ol' Dreddie's got a replaceable ammo clip in this movie- anyone notice that was completely missing from the Stallone version, I mean, when Sly's Dredd ran out of ammo, how did the production designers of that debacle think he was going to reload...!?
Oh come on! Stallone doesn't run out of ammo. :D
THe uniform really doesn't look like any Dredd I recognize but if it's got John Wagners blessing who am I to argue.
Quote from: badstatic on 03 August, 2011, 08:55:47 AM
THe uniform really doesn't look like any Dredd I recognize but if it's got John Wagners blessing who am I to argue.
Relentless
The only thing that looked a little odd to me when first seeing the costume was the helmet. It's not how high it sits, but that the visor seems to sit quite far out from the face. I think it's that gap that makes the helmet look bigger than it actually is.
Then again, it's not a massive deal for me. Overall I think the costume looks pretty good and it's been mentioned that it'll probably look a lot different in motion. The new Judge outfit definitely seems to fit the more grim film universe that has been hinted at.
All in all I'm cautiously optimistic for the film. Roll on 2012! :P
Quote from: MikeONeill on 09 September, 2011, 02:16:02 PM
The only thing that looked a little odd to me when first seeing the costume was the helmet. It's not how high it sits, but that the visor seems to sit quite far out from the face.
That's the only way you'll get the visor to cover the wearer's
nose otherwise it'd be jutting out beneath or squashed behind. As is, the visor edge is still quite close to the nose.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 09 September, 2011, 02:26:12 PM
That's the only way you'll get the visor to cover the wearer's nose otherwise it'd be jutting out beneath or squashed behind. As is, the visor edge is still quite close to the nose.
Yeah, I don't think it actually is that far forward really, it just seemed like that on a first look. I'm not hugely bothered though as I still think it looks pretty badass. :)
Quote from: MikeONeill on 09 September, 2011, 02:16:02 PM
The only thing that looked a little odd to me when first seeing the costume was the helmet. It's not how high it sits, but that the visor seems to sit quite far out from the face. I think it's that gap that makes the helmet look bigger than it actually is.
Bolland drew it far out from the face all the time.
(http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/996/996685/the-top-2000ad-shocks-20090622083117906.jpg)
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One of the hardest things to realize is actually how many different Dredd helmets were drawn over the years.. No matter what you do, there is no definitive 'right' helmet.. There are criteria they have to adhere to, but basically there's no two the same. This one's a practical realization of some of the more classic lids, and not the golfball or traffic cone extremities..
Quote from: vzzbux on 09 September, 2011, 03:37:09 PM
Quote from: MikeONeill on 09 September, 2011, 02:16:02 PM
The only thing that looked a little odd to me when first seeing the costume was the helmet. It's not how high it sits, but that the visor seems to sit quite far out from the face. I think it's that gap that makes the helmet look bigger than it actually is.
Bolland drew it far out from the face all the time.
(http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/996/996685/the-top-2000ad-shocks-20090622083117906.jpg)
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Thanks, mate, for reminding me how much I love Bolland! Just wonderful stuff.
I don't read comics regularly nowadays... I'm a bit out of the loop. But I doubt that anything recently comes close to classic 80s 2000AD....!
(http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/996/996685/the-top-2000ad-shocks-20090622083117906.jpg)
How about replicating THAT shot in one of the sequels :thumbsup:, awesome stuff...
Quote from: Beaky Smoochies on 10 September, 2011, 05:05:57 AM
(http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/996/996685/the-top-2000ad-shocks-20090622083117906.jpg)
How about replicating THAT shot in one of the sequels :thumbsup:, awesome stuff...
I think the anticipation of that moment happening on-screen would send us all into geek overload . . .
I reckon that's doable..
Just saw this on Cracked: 20 Downsides to Being a Superhero's Parent:
(http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/1/6/6/89166_v1.jpg)
http://www.cracked.com/photoplasty_250_20-downsides-to-being-superheros-parent/ (http://www.cracked.com/photoplasty_250_20-downsides-to-being-superheros-parent/)
Verdict: The helmet is too big!
I would prefer Dredd to go the simple route if he met Fear and do this...
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t136/commandoforces/2000ad%20Sites/DreddVsFear.jpg)
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 13 September, 2011, 07:54:32 PM
I would prefer Dredd to go the simple route if he met Fear and do this...
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t136/commandoforces/2000ad%20Sites/DreddVsFear.jpg)
Dreddy's going up ta four on ya
Quote from: James Stacey on 14 September, 2011, 11:01:08 AM
Dreddy's going up ta four on ya
Looks like hes going upto 50... ::)
Just caught a bit of fifth element on five. Noticed some similarities between Besson's vision on the costume design and the new Dredd uniform design. The police uniforms have the flexible piping around the joint area's. A silmilarity due to the practicality of movement or a style element copied for visual appeal perhaps?
Quote from: dracula1 on 24 September, 2011, 08:47:42 PM
Just caught a bit of fifth element on five. Noticed some similarities between Besson's vision on the costume design and the new Dredd uniform design. The police uniforms have the flexible piping around the joint area's. A silmilarity due to the practicality of movement or a style element copied for visual appeal perhaps?
(http://www.yourprops.com/original-46229ab2bd46d-Fifth+Element%2C+The+%285th%29+%281997%29.jpeg)
Thanks for the pic mis' ,... Was it Gaultier who designed the costumes?
Quote from: dracula1 on 24 September, 2011, 09:50:16 PM
Thanks for the pic mis' ,... Was it Gaultier who designed the costumes?
I couldn't tell you to be honest. I know he was involved somewhere.
No one complained about 'seeing' through those helmets.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 24 September, 2011, 10:08:41 PM
No one complained about 'seeing' through those helmets.
:lol:
but codpieces are so 1995
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 24 September, 2011, 10:08:41 PM
No one complained about 'seeing' through those helmets.
I did, it's useless and just look at where the sidearm is secured :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: dracula1 on 24 September, 2011, 09:50:16 PM
Thanks for the pic mis' ,... Was it Gaultier who designed the costumes?
Yep Jean Paul Gaultier is credited for the costumes. Milla's expecially Yum Yum.
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Quote from: vzzbux on 27 September, 2011, 08:19:32 PM
Quote from: dracula1 on 24 September, 2011, 09:50:16 PM
Thanks for the pic mis' ,... Was it Gaultier who designed the costumes?
Yep Jean Paul Gaultier is credited for the costumes. Milla's expecially Yum Yum.
Typical Jean Paul,...very quirky fashion design which fitted in nicely with an odd ball movie.