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Title: Amazon 1-Star Reviews (people who didn't get it)
Post by: GrinningChimera on 31 October, 2013, 06:24:28 PM
For a laugh I thought I'd read the one star amazon reviews for Dredd. Now I'm all for people having an opinion and different tastes in films and whatnot. But these people....well, read for yourself.

-This movie is absolutely not for young people. It will probably give me a nightmare tonight. Really.

-This is such a bad remake of a barely watchable original.

-I watched about 15 minutes of this and shut it off. The Stallone version was way better, and it was just ok.

-Not my type of movie or entertainment. Too violent and loud sound affects.

-Can't replace Stalone and expect anything good

- It has really bad graphics for a movie that is supposed to take place in the future.

- I love the Die Hards, so violence isn't something I shrink from...but it has to have substantial heroes with some morality and a hint of honor.

-Is just look fake, exaggerated, unbelievable and trying to have the actor look and act like Silvester, was a negative impact on the movie.

-They really have no reason to move around. There is no tension. There is little impelling the story to go to the next scene. AND the whole thing is pretty racist.

-This movie is in direct conflict with the principles of American society.

-it was the most depressing movie I have ever seen. woman bites off a mans body part with her teeth, has everyone making and or selling drugs. uses her hands to blind her own son, throwing men off the 200 floor. I will never watch this movie again

Were these people really watching the same film as me?? If you want a laugh you can find all of the one star reviews here http://www.amazon.com/Dredd-Blu-ray-Digital-Copy-UltraViolet/product-reviews/B005LAII80/ref=cm_cr_pr_btm_link_1?ie=UTF8&filterBy=addOneStar&showViewpoints=0&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending (http://www.amazon.com/Dredd-Blu-ray-Digital-Copy-UltraViolet/product-reviews/B005LAII80/ref=cm_cr_pr_btm_link_1?ie=UTF8&filterBy=addOneStar&showViewpoints=0&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending)
Title: Re: Amazon 1-Star Reviews (people who didn't get it)
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 31 October, 2013, 07:04:14 PM
These all made sense when it clicked about halfway through that these are reviews from the American Amazon. Fair enough that they might not know of the character and view the movie purely as a 'Stallone remake', and you can't be surprised if any irony or subtext goes straight over their heads.
Title: Re: Amazon 1-Star Reviews (people who didn't get it)
Post by: Tiplodocus on 31 October, 2013, 07:15:08 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 31 October, 2013, 07:04:14 PM
These all made sense when it clicked about halfway through that these are reviews from the American Amazon. Fair enough that they might not know of the character and view the movie purely as a 'Stallone remake', and you can't be surprised if any irony or subtext goes straight over their heads.

A bit of a trite generalisation there. There are many people in many countries, ours included,  that don't get irony or subtext. There are a lot of smart Americans  out there as well.
Title: Re: Amazon 1-Star Reviews (people who didn't get it)
Post by: IronGraham on 31 October, 2013, 07:36:46 PM
the racist part has me curious? there are black criminals but there are also black judges the chief judge is black? or was it a different race also the reading that the guy who had cyber eyes being ma-ma's son interesting?
Title: Re: Amazon 1-Star Reviews (people who didn't get it)
Post by: Dandontdare on 31 October, 2013, 07:38:50 PM
Quote from: GrinningChimera on 31 October, 2013, 06:24:28 PM
-This movie is absolutely not for young people. It will probably give me a nightmare tonight. Really.

-Not my type of movie or entertainment. Too violent and loud sound affects.

You may not agree, but these are perfectly valid opinions
Title: Re: Amazon 1-Star Reviews (people who didn't get it)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 31 October, 2013, 07:40:14 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 31 October, 2013, 07:04:14 PM
These all made sense when it clicked about halfway through that these are reviews from the American Amazon. Fair enough that they might not know of the character and view the movie purely as a 'Stallone remake', and you can't be surprised if any irony or subtext goes straight over their heads.

1500 out of those 2000 American reviews are rated 5 and 4 star. DREDD isn't as pronounced in its portrayal of the explicit satire of the comic but considering the success of RoboCop in the US I don't think Americans in general have a problem with either irony or subtext. They did after all invent The Simpsons and The Larry Sanders Show.
Title: Re: Amazon 1-Star Reviews (people who didn't get it)
Post by: Link Prime on 31 October, 2013, 07:52:26 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 31 October, 2013, 07:40:14 PM
I don't think Americans in general have a problem with either irony or subtext. They did after all invent The Simpsons and The Larry Sanders Show.

And three other words; Curb Your Enthusiasm
Title: Re: Amazon 1-Star Reviews (people who didn't get it)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 31 October, 2013, 08:03:10 PM
Quote from: Link Prime on 31 October, 2013, 07:52:26 PM
And three other words; Curb Your Enthusiasm


I didn't want to over-do it.
Title: Re: Amazon 1-Star Reviews (people who didn't get it)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 31 October, 2013, 09:46:33 PM



The Lego film might be the most satirical (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZ_JOBCLF-I) in years.
Title: Re: Amazon 1-Star Reviews (people who didn't get it)
Post by: GrinningChimera on 01 November, 2013, 05:36:35 AM
If you had said to me Lego film BEFORE I watched the trailer, I'd had said why... I gotta admit that looked kinda cool :D
Title: Re: Amazon 1-Star Reviews (people who didn't get it)
Post by: Dreddzilla on 01 November, 2013, 06:03:34 AM
This comment made me facepalm '-This movie is in direct conflict with the principles of American society.

Really? I thought it nailed it.
:lol:
Title: Re: Amazon 1-Star Reviews (people who didn't get it)
Post by: Dudley on 01 November, 2013, 07:39:30 AM
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 01 November, 2013, 06:03:34 AM
This comment made me facepalm '-This movie is in direct conflict with the principles of American society.

Really? I thought it nailed it.
:lol:

Me too: the only difference between us fans and that reviewer is that we think that's a good thing..
Title: Re: Amazon 1-Star Reviews (people who didn't get it)
Post by: Rusty on 01 November, 2013, 05:58:59 PM
This one made me laugh the most for some reason:

"-it was the most depressing movie I have ever seen. woman bites off a mans body part with her teeth, has everyone making and or selling drugs. uses her hands to blind her own son, throwing men off the 200 floor. I will never watch this movie again "

Dredd certainly shocked a few people, then. Good.

Still, those reviews absolutely pale in comparison to the views of the film of one of my mates. It's not Americans that don't get the film or the character: it's just, well, there's no real easy way to put it, less 'cultured' or versed in the arts of subtlety and detail kinds of people that don't get it. If you don't know how to look or read between lines to understand varies nuances of films like this, then forget it. Then there are people who want the long, boring, drawn out overly-convoluted 3 hour long CGI filled stories. A simple plot like Dredd's automatically means it's going to be crap.
Title: Re: Amazon 1-Star Reviews (people who didn't get it)
Post by: Spaceghost on 01 November, 2013, 09:46:59 PM
Quote from: Rusty on 01 November, 2013, 05:58:59 PM
This one made me laugh the most for some reason:

"-it was the most depressing movie I have ever seen. woman bites off a mans body part with her teeth, has everyone making and or selling drugs. uses her hands to blind her own son, throwing men off the 200 floor. I will never watch this movie again "

Dredd certainly shocked a few people, then. Good.

Still, those reviews absolutely pale in comparison to the views of the film of one of my mates. It's not Americans that don't get the film or the character: it's just, well, there's no real easy way to put it, less 'cultured' or versed in the arts of subtlety and detail kinds of people that don't get it. If you don't know how to look or read between lines to understand varies nuances of films like this, then forget it. Then there are people who want the long, boring, drawn out overly-convoluted 3 hour long CGI filled stories. A simple plot like Dredd's automatically means it's going to be crap.

So what you're saying is, thick cunts are too thick to get it? Yes, seems like a watertight theory to me.

As for the above opinions being 'valid', I would have to argue that it takes more than just being uttered by a human to make an opinion valid. Some people are just too frigging stupid to have their opinion taken seriously.
Title: Re: Amazon 1-Star Reviews (people who didn't get it)
Post by: Dandontdare on 01 November, 2013, 10:05:30 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 31 October, 2013, 07:38:50 PM
Quote from: GrinningChimera on 31 October, 2013, 06:24:28 PM
-This movie is absolutely not for young people. It will probably give me a nightmare tonight. Really.

-Not my type of movie or entertainment. Too violent and loud sound affects.

You may not agree, but these are perfectly valid opinions

Quote from: Spaceghost on 01 November, 2013, 09:46:59 PM
As for the above opinions being 'valid', I would have to argue that it takes more than just being uttered by a human to make an opinion valid. Some people are just too frigging stupid to have their opinion taken seriously.

So if someone thinks that they don't like Dredd because it's too violent, which is the gist of the opinions I highlighted, then they are a  "friging stupid"?

I fucking hate  this 'opinion-fascism', whereby if somebody doesn't like what you do they're slagged off for being stupid.

Dredd is a niche movie. Not everyone is going to like it. Get over it.
Title: Re: Amazon 1-Star Reviews (people who didn't get it)
Post by: Dandontdare on 01 November, 2013, 10:06:51 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 01 November, 2013, 10:05:30 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 31 October, 2013, 07:38:50 PM
Quote from: GrinningChimera on 31 October, 2013, 06:24:28 PM
-This movie is absolutely not for young people. It will probably give me a nightmare tonight. Really.

-Not my type of movie or entertainment. Too violent and loud sound affects.

You may not agree, but these are perfectly valid opinions

Quote from: Spaceghost on 01 November, 2013, 09:46:59 PM
As for the above opinions being 'valid', I would have to argue that it takes more than just being uttered by a human to make an opinion valid. Some people are just too frigging stupid to have their opinion taken seriously.

So if someone thinks that they don't like Dredd because it's too violent, which is the gist of the opinions I highlighted, then they are  "friging stupid"?

I fucking hate  this 'opinion-fascism', whereby if somebody doesn't like what you do they're slagged off for being stupid.

Dredd is a niche movie. Not everyone is going to like it. Get over it.

Oh sorry, I forgot this is the internet. If you don't like what I like you're obviously EVIL!!!
Title: Re: Amazon 1-Star Reviews (people who didn't get it)
Post by: Dandontdare on 01 November, 2013, 10:07:18 PM
bollox. messed up the quotes.

But you get my drift
Title: Re: Amazon 1-Star Reviews (people who didn't get it)
Post by: Spaceghost on 01 November, 2013, 10:37:00 PM
Calm down pal. I was speaking more generally about thick buggers imagining that their opinion deserves to be taken seriously.

Judging by the level of spelling, grammar and grasp of the basic facts, I'd say thosd punters are on the 'dimbo' side.

If all you've ever eaten is beans on toast, you're not qualified to make a judgment on a gourmet meal.

Yes, I'm a misanthropic twat.

Title: Re: Amazon 1-Star Reviews (people who didn't get it)
Post by: dweezil2 on 01 November, 2013, 10:42:32 PM
What confounds me is why you'd watch a clearly violent R/18 movie and then complain about its violence.
Title: Re: Amazon 1-Star Reviews (people who didn't get it)
Post by: GrinningChimera on 02 November, 2013, 01:14:21 AM
-This movie is absolutely not for young people. It will probably give me a nightmare tonight. Really.

Really? I was just going to ignore the R18 certificate and show it to my 5 year old

-This is such a bad remake of a barely watchable original.


A remake would mean following the same story as the original

-I watched about 15 minutes of this and shut it off. The Stallone version was way better, and it was just ok.

You must be a closet Stallone fan huh

-Not my type of movie or entertainment. Too violent and loud sound affects.

Usually when I go to see a movie, I find out SOMETHING before I go see it. Even if I don't watch the trailer, the poster gives you some idea that it's going to be an action movie. Loud comes with the territory. I guess you complain about the noise levels at concerts too.

-Can't replace Stalone and expect anything good


I can't think of any role that I would consider him to be irreplaceable in

- It has really bad graphics for a movie that is supposed to take place in the future.


You mean the 3d? Or the slo-mo effects? Or just the generally awesome cg?

- I love the Die Hards, so violence isn't something I shrink from...but it has to have substantial heroes with some morality and a hint of honor.

It's funny how similar the endings to Die Hard and Dredd are

-Is just look fake, exaggerated, unbelievable and trying to have the actor look and act like Silvester, was a negative impact on the movie.


Both actors are playing the same character. There are certain expectations.


-They really have no reason to move around. There is no tension. There is little impelling the story to go to the next scene. AND the whole thing is pretty racist.

So you would rather they didn't look for a way to get out after being locked inside? And racism? What movie were you watching??

-This movie is in direct conflict with the principles of American society.

See Dudleys response

-it was the most depressing movie I have ever seen. woman bites off a mans body part with her teeth, has everyone making and or selling drugs. uses her hands to blind her own son, throwing men off the 200 floor. I will never watch this movie again

Depressing? You haven't seen Requiem For A Dream have you? If you think that movie was depressing I'd advise against opening a newspaper or turning on the tv
Title: Re: Amazon 1-Star Reviews (people who didn't get it)
Post by: TordelBack on 02 November, 2013, 07:22:58 AM
While I, and any of my family and friends who have seen it, think very highly of Dredd, there are some reasonable observations there, and some real factors that might lead to people not liking it. 

The world it depicts is depressing: Ma Ma as a villain personifies the pointless despair of the situation, rather than being a monster to be slain in order to regain a better status quo.  I think this is one of the movie's great strengths, but I can see how someone else might look to a SF action movie to have a more positive ending.

The film is violent - far too violent to show my kids for many years to come, for example.  I'd have liked a Dredd we could share, so while I think the violence works exremely well, I can see how it's not something that is universally welcome.

Title: Re: Amazon 1-Star Reviews (people who didn't get it)
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 03 November, 2013, 10:28:55 AM
Quote from: dweezil2 on 01 November, 2013, 10:42:32 PM
What confounds me is why you'd watch a clearly violent R/18 movie and then complain about its violence.
This is what makes my tits sour. And I hear it all the time. Problem is is that Dredd reflects the issues with violence and the effects it has a lot more realistically than any of the watered down PG-13/12A twaddle weave been served recently, with no consequences being present at all.
Title: Re: Amazon 1-Star Reviews (people who didn't get it)
Post by: CrazyFoxMachine on 03 November, 2013, 11:56:00 AM
Yes I know quite a sensitive chap who went to see it and he despised it - thought it was upsettingly downbeat and overtly violent. He didn't care about Dredd or Dredd's world and got nothing out of it.

What he was "lacking" was the context really, something we were all acutely aware of when we went into the cinema. It's easy to see why some people didn't like it although the majority of other non-Dredd fans I know seemed to enjoy it without this. But there you go.

and you know what, that's opinion for you. Oh to live in a world where literally everyone agrees with everything you say. How boring.

To make fun of anonymous Amazon authors for not understanding the context of a film you enjoy is a ridiculous waste of time.... just my opinion of course.

QuoteI was speaking more generally about thick buggers imagining that their opinion deserves to be taken seriously.

hmm.
Title: Re: Amazon 1-Star Reviews (people who didn't get it)
Post by: Charlie boy on 03 November, 2013, 12:34:54 PM
Is it too late to change the title of this thread to IF YOU DON'T LIKE METAL DREDD YOU'RE NOT MY FRIEND ?
Title: Re: Amazon 1-Star Reviews (people who didn't get it)
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 03 November, 2013, 12:46:27 PM
Personaly I don't care if people disliked it. That's their opinion and they can have it. What I do care is wether these opinions can be supported in a logical way, rather than none-sensicle ramblings.
Title: Re: Amazon 1-Star Reviews (people who didn't get it)
Post by: TordelBack on 03 November, 2013, 01:16:35 PM
Quote from: Hawkmonger on 03 November, 2013, 12:46:27 PMWhat I do care is wether these opinions can be supported in a logical way, rather than none-sensicle ramblings.

Logic? My God, the man's talking about logic; we're talking about universal Armageddon! You green-blooded, inhuman...
Title: Re: Amazon 1-Star Reviews (people who didn't get it)
Post by: Tiplodocus on 04 November, 2013, 05:51:32 PM
And, of course, some people that go see a film don't always do so by choice. They go because their partner wants to see it.

In which case I would say they are perfectly entitled to think it too dystopian, downbeat, loud, violent or gory.

And again, you can show consequences of violent actions without explicit gore. It doesn't have to be 18 to be Dredd.
Title: Re: Amazon 1-Star Reviews (people who didn't get it)
Post by: Richard on 05 November, 2013, 02:13:45 PM
QuoteQuote from: GrinningChimera on 31 October, 2013, 06:24:28 PM
-This movie is absolutely not for young people. It will probably give me a nightmare tonight. Really.

-Not my type of movie or entertainment. Too violent and loud sound affects.

You may not agree, but these are perfectly valid opinions

They may be valid opinions, but that does not make them valid reasons for giving a one-star review to an 18 or R-rated action film. Being unsuitable for young people is not a logical reason for criticising a film intended for adults. Being violent or loud is a stupid criticism to level against an action film. And "not my type of film" has no place in a film review, because it tells you nothing about the film, it only tells you about the reviewer.

Quotesome people that go see a film don't always do so by choice.

Well that's their stupid fault. If they are grown-ups then they should be able to make their own decisions. Don't their girlfriends/boyfriends/spouses/civil partners have their own like-minded friends they can see those films with? If they tag along to a film they know in advance they are not going to like, then what value is their opinion of the film?

I don't like opera, but I'm not arrogant or self-important or, yes, stupid enough to go to see an opera and then go online and give it a shit review because "I don't like opera" or "there was too much singing, and who was that fat woman at the end? They should have got a size zero model..." It's just self-evidently ridiculous, or at least it should be.
Title: Re: Amazon 1-Star Reviews (people who didn't get it)
Post by: radiator on 05 November, 2013, 02:59:34 PM
I don't think Dredd is a perfect film by any stretch, and there are completely valid criticisms you could make of it. I can sympathise with people that found it too bleak, or a bit humourless, didn't like the gritty realistic take on the source material or found it hard to identify with Dredd or find a reason to care about his predicament. I don't agree, and think it's a fantastic film, but I can see where those complaints come from.

But I must admit I do find it a bit hard to take when people slag it off for having a simple plot - because it implies that a film of this type having a simple plot is an inherently bad thing - and I resent that.

I think it comes down to changing mainstream tastes in cinema - personally I think films like Dredd are a dying art - and the simplicity and economy in its execution (and short running time) were a breath of fresh air in a cinematic landscape dominated by overlong, bloated, plot-hole-ridden, narratively-unsatisfying destruction-porn blockbusters of the week.

I had a heated argument with some bloke on another site who said that Dredd was 'boring' because it had 'no plot' and was 'just Dredd shooting a few drug dealers', and that the Stallone Dredd movie was much better because it had 'a more epic story'. There's no arguing with people like that - they just want to see loads of stuff happening in a film, and don't seem to really analyse that stuff or even think about it that much. They just want the sensory overload and loads of cgi and action and constant plot-twists and don't really care about story, or character, or narrative coherence or pacing or anything like that. I just can't relate to that. In some sense - and it seems a strange thing to say about a violent action movie - I think Dredd was perhaps too subtle for a lot of people.

QuoteAnd "not my type of film" has no place in a film review, because it tells you nothing about the film, it only tells you about the reviewer.

A relative of mine said that Dredd 'wasn't her cup of tea' so didn't watch it - but I kind of reject this mentality. While there are genres I am more partial to and more likely to enjoy, I don't flat-out refuse to watch other genres. I like to think that most people can enjoy any genre of movie, providing what they are watching is a good example of it. I think most rom-coms are tripe for example, but When Harry Met Sally - the definitive rom-com - is one of my favourite films.
Title: Re: Amazon 1-Star Reviews (people who didn't get it)
Post by: dweezil2 on 05 November, 2013, 03:41:02 PM
You could argue that Scary Movie 5 has got a more intricate plot, but it doesn't make it any less shit.

Dredd's plot is solid and compact and all the better for it.

As you say radiator, a refreshing change from all the convoluted, overwritten and CGI heavy movies that exemplify mainstream cinema today.
Title: Re: Amazon 1-Star Reviews (people who didn't get it)
Post by: Tiplodocus on 06 November, 2013, 12:30:41 PM
Quote from: Richard on 05 November, 2013, 02:13:45 PM
Quotesome people that go see a film don't always do so by choice.

Well that's their stupid fault. If they are grown-ups then they should be able to make their own decisions. Don't their girlfriends/boyfriends/spouses/civil partners have their own like-minded friends they can see those films with? If they tag along to a film they know in advance they are not going to like, then what value is their opinion of the film?

I don't like opera, but I'm not arrogant or self-important or, yes, stupid enough to go to see an opera and then go online and give it a shit review because "I don't like opera" or "there was too much singing, and who was that fat woman at the end? They should have got a size zero model..." It's just self-evidently ridiculous, or at least it should be.

I don't think there's anything "self-evidently ridiculous" here. Instead of "arrogant", "self-important" or "stupid", the person might just be considerate.

You know, willing to go see the sort of thing their partner likes on the understanding that on occassion, their partner will go see something that they like but their partner isn't fond of?

My wife is perfectly right when she says she didn't like DREDD because it was too violent for her tastes. And that is a helpful review (not a shit review) for people that don't like violence. (Especially given that explicit violence is not something you often see in cinema trailers and TV spots in the UK).

I'd suggest the issue with 1-star reviews is that people are forced to give a star-rating at all. Or marks out of 10.  Ideally, the words should be enough. But there isn't any easy way of filtering all of the "Thought it too violent/scary/obscene" reviews in one place so we may just have to live with people giving it one-star and then reading and understanding why they thought so.

If I see a one-star review that says "Too violent" I will know not to let it influence my judgement but that is helpful for people that don't like violence.


Title: Re: Amazon 1-Star Reviews (people who didn't get it)
Post by: radiator on 06 November, 2013, 12:58:48 PM
I can see both sides - for instance I will disregard Amazon reviews written by people that have atrocious spelling and grammar, type their review in ALL CAPS, tip the reader off that their taste in films in terrible, seem to be holding some sort of grudge or bias, or otherwise seem to be unhinged in some way - and that immediately nullifies a lot of Amazon reviews. Goes with the territory.
Title: Re: Amazon 1-Star Reviews (people who didn't get it)
Post by: Link Prime on 06 November, 2013, 01:02:56 PM
Quote from: radiator on 06 November, 2013, 12:58:48 PM
I can see both sides - for instance I will disregard Amazon reviews written by people that have atrocious spelling and grammar, type their review in ALL CAPS, tip the reader off that their taste in films in terrible, seem to be holding some sort of grudge or bias, or otherwise seem to be unhinged in some way - and that immediately nullifies a lot of Amazon reviews. Goes with the territory.

YOURRE AN IDJIOT
Title: Re: Amazon 1-Star Reviews (people who didn't get it)
Post by: CrazyFoxMachine on 06 November, 2013, 01:49:22 PM
My question is - for a film that has four and a half stars on British Amazon, and a solid four on American Amazon. Why go in there and interrogate the bottom ratings? It's generally liked, GOOD.

Why obsess about what people don't like about something you do? That's their own bloody business. I remember doing it for a brief period with Rush albums on Amazon - just out of morbid curiosity. They're my favourite band in existence and I thought "some people hate this I wonder exactly why?"

and I didn't come away with a greater understanding of anything only that I like it because I like it and some people just don't. Frankly we should be grateful that people are rating it at all.

Because negative publicity is still people watching it and hearing of it. I would rather hear someone going "Dredd? I hated that film" than "Dredd? What's that?"
Title: Re: Amazon 1-Star Reviews (people who didn't get it)
Post by: Muon on 06 November, 2013, 01:50:05 PM
The good (and perhaps bad) thing about something like Amazon is that it empowers inarticulate people who wouldn't normally have a voice to share their feelings on a product. A lot of them seem to approach the task of writing a review as a kind of public service in the way they try to warn others away from something they feel is bad or, conversely, encourage others to experience something they love themselves.

As I shop on Amazon, I often read customer reviews. In my experience, the 1-star reviews of entertainment products, particularly of films, are often by people who are not particularly invested in the thing they're reviewing. To them, it's not so much a work of art as a functional product that either does the job they expect of it or doesn't. There are tons of very superficial, ignorant reviews of all types of films - not just Dredd.

But somehow some of the comments listed here about Dredd seem even more ignorant, damaging and misguided than the usual throwaway discourse I see on the web. I think the reason for this is how much suffering the whole project went through. Badly served by a poor Stallone effort in the 90s, ridiculed since then, and now there actually is a great version of Dredd on screen it gets scuppered by unfair comparisons with other films, lack of marketing budget and the stain of Stallone. For that reason I can't help feeling quite protective toward the film. Even stepping away from my fanboy loyalty, it seems like a film I would champion as a breath of fresh air alternative from the usual CGI crapfests.

But as Joe Soap wrote, the majority of Amazon reviews seem to be really favourable - in fact, surprisingly so given the project's inauspicious beginnings. From what I've seen, the film has well and truly found its audience. Whatever the intelligence levels of the quoted 1-star reviewers, it's important to remember that most of them are approaching the film from a completely different perspective to most film fans. It's not art to them - it's nothing more than a product that either works or doesn't work. And not seeing the hero's face all the way through or not getting to see the cliches they're used to elicits a similar response as when they order a DVD player that doesn't work the way they expected it to.

The influence of the digital age, when people feel cheated even if entertainment content doesn't happen to be free, probably has something to do with it. A lot of people haven't experienced saving their pocket money for months for the new album by their favourite album and then treasuring it and reading the lyrics sheet over and over once they finally get it.

For these reasons, although I admit to feeling the initial pangs of defensiveness I mentioned before, when all's said and done I don't see this kind of review as something to get too upset about. The film has made its mark.
Title: Re: Amazon 1-Star Reviews (people who didn't get it)
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 06 November, 2013, 01:54:14 PM
Quote from: Link Prime on 06 November, 2013, 01:02:56 PM
YOURRE AN IDJIOT

NO YUOR MOM!
Title: Re: Amazon 1-Star Reviews (people who didn't get it)
Post by: radiator on 06 November, 2013, 02:15:20 PM
QuoteThe good (and perhaps bad) thing about something like Amazon is that it empowers inarticulate people who wouldn't normally have a voice to share their feelings on a product. A lot of them seem to approach the task of writing a review as a kind of public service in the way they try to warn others away from something they feel is bad or, conversely, encourage others to experience something they love themselves.

That's just it - people generally only feel compelled to write a review in the first place if they either passionately love or hate something - so a lot of reviews are wildly bipolar. I actually think Amazon should quietly delete or hide the top 10% of the most positive and bottom 10% of the most negative for this reason.

In fact it's often very frustrating trying to buy non-media items, like electrical goods for example, because when you scan through the reviews of any product or item you care to mention there's always one or two scathing one-star reviews saying things like 'broke after a week!' - 'don't listen to the positive reviews - this product is rubbish/useless!'. Ultimately you just have to go with the majority and assume that a lot of those are written by people who broke the item through their own stupidity.

And don't even get me started on people who review the delivery service rather than the product - ie "This product arrived damaged - 1 star", "This dvd never arrived - one star". Those morons should have their fingers cut off so they can never use a keyboard again - along with people who feel compelled to type violent, angry anti-Apple rants whenever anyone, anywhere writes an article about Apple, or mentions an Apple product.  >:(
Title: Re: Amazon 1-Star Reviews (people who didn't get it)
Post by: von Boom on 06 November, 2013, 02:26:21 PM
Pipp!n.
Title: Re: Amazon 1-Star Reviews (people who didn't get it)
Post by: Muon on 06 November, 2013, 03:03:47 PM
Quote from: radiator on 06 November, 2013, 02:15:20 PM

That's just it - people generally only feel compelled to write a review in the first place if they either passionately love or hate something - so a lot of reviews are wildly bipolar. I actually think Amazon should quietly delete or hide the top 10% of the most positive and bottom 10% of the most negative for this reason.

In fact it's often very frustrating trying to buy non-media items, like electrical goods for example, because when you scan through the reviews of any product or item you care to mention there's always one or two scathing one-star reviews saying things like 'broke after a week!' - 'don't listen to the positive reviews - this product is rubbish/useless!'. Ultimately you just have to go with the majority and assume that a lot of those are written by people who broke the item through their own stupidity.

And don't even get me started on people who review the delivery service rather than the product - ie "This product arrived damaged - 1 star", "This dvd never arrived - one star". Those morons should have their fingers cut off so they can never use a keyboard again - along with people who feel compelled to type violent, angry anti-Apple rants whenever anyone, anywhere writes an article about Apple, or mentions an Apple product.  >:(

Yeah, there are a few regular "Amazon" types that any shopper on the site would be familiar with. Personally, I have come to grief a few times by paying too much attention to self-appointed experts who latch onto a certain aspect of a version of something they know very well without taking into account shoppers who might not be as well-versed as them. An example of this is people who rant about the low quality of an English translation of a work of fiction, which is absolutely no use to me if I can't read the original language anyway. Then I end up getting the "suspect" translation and thoroughly enjoy it.

Regarding Dredd and other films like it, though, I really get the sense that a lot of the unfavourable reviews on something like Amazon are by people who had so little interest in the film in the first place that they just put it on in the background while they ironed some shirts or something. Of course you get the people with axes to grind as you mentioned, but in my experience, unfavourable film reviews I see on Amazon tend to be by people who had so little investment in the film (or most films for that matter) that they were never going to give it the attention it deserves.   
Title: Re: Amazon 1-Star Reviews (people who didn't get it)
Post by: Richard on 07 November, 2013, 05:21:09 PM
QuoteWhy obsess about what people don't like about something you do?

To be fair, GrinningChimera started this thread just to give us all a laugh at some of the daft things people were saying, not because he was obsessed with what other people think about a film he happens to like. He even started by acknowledging that different people have different opinions and are entitled to them. The point was that the opinions he selected were so illogical or ill-informed that they barely qualify as opinions, and serve as a source of amusement. But because this is the Internet, somebody took it all a bit seriously and came running to their defence...
Title: Re: Amazon 1-Star Reviews (people who didn't get it)
Post by: Definitely Not Mister Pops on 07 November, 2013, 05:28:28 PM
Reviewing reviews.

It's turtles all the way down
Title: Re: Amazon 1-Star Reviews (people who didn't get it)
Post by: Link Prime on 07 November, 2013, 05:29:15 PM
Quote from: Mister Pops on 07 November, 2013, 05:28:28 PM
Reviewing reviews.

It's turtles all the way down

1 Star
Title: Re: Amazon 1-Star Reviews (people who didn't get it)
Post by: GrinningChimera on 10 November, 2013, 03:44:22 AM
Quote from: Richard on 07 November, 2013, 05:21:09 PM
To be fair, GrinningChimera started this thread just to give us all a laugh at some of the daft things people were saying, not because he was obsessed with what other people think about a film he happens to like. He even started by acknowledging that different people have different opinions and are entitled to them. The point was that the opinions he selected were so illogical or ill-informed that they barely qualify as opinions, and serve as a source of amusement. But because this is the Internet, somebody took it all a bit seriously and came running to their defence...

This man gets it.
Title: Re: Amazon 1-Star Reviews (people who didn't get it)
Post by: judgerufian on 12 November, 2013, 04:40:18 PM
Hey, at least they all watched the film, thats got to be a positive out of a negative (review).
Title: Re: Amazon 1-Star Reviews (people who didn't get it)
Post by: Chrrow on 26 December, 2013, 09:37:45 AM
It's always interesting to see that the more stupid people are the worse their rating gets. Some of those 1-star rating are so stupid I can't help myself but laugh.
Title: Re: Amazon 1-Star Reviews (people who didn't get it)
Post by: GrinningChimera on 26 December, 2013, 10:23:23 AM
Quote from: Chrrow on 26 December, 2013, 09:37:45 AM
It's always interesting to see that the more stupid people are the worse their rating gets. Some of those 1-star rating are so stupid I can't help myself but laugh.

And that is exactly why I started this thread. For a laugh. People are getting caught up in arguments about the validity of Amazon reviews (and even general internet based product reviews) instead of seeing the funny side of what people have said. Just think of it as being like the "stupid things people have said to you" thread.

I'm not attacking Amazon reviews. Just pointing out that some of the comments they have made about dredd are a bit silly.

Title: Re: Amazon 1-Star Reviews (people who didn't get it)
Post by: Chrrow on 26 December, 2013, 09:19:37 PM
Well when I read some of those "reviews" I feel the need to write a comment about what's wrong with it but then again it is a waste of time and you can't comment on all the stupid stuff you find online. ^^ When it comes to "a bad Stallone remake" reviews though it's more like "I should tell them about the comics maybe they'll become new fans".