The Political Thread

[Hawkmumbler]

So I stumbled across a Jonathan Pie video on my FB timeline, and is it me or has this guy let his success get to his head? He used to be a genuinely witty political commentator, but now seems to cater the outrage alt-right community.

[Frank]

The BBC will cheerfully broadcast fascists and racists unchallenged

This might be a shitty thing to do to someone who was speaking colloquially with friends, but we're supposed to be fighting against the dicks who want to say things that are demonstrably untrue without being called on it:

Watch this right to the end. The expression on Robinson's face is priceless: https://youtu.be/opEM4I_g_Sc

This heartwarming story reads like a kale-eating, centrist-BBC fantasy.

Robinson actually left the EDL following this documentary, although he's since decided there's too much cash in exploiting the anxieties of middle-aged Weller fans to give up being a dick completely.

Or at least there was ... 

[Jim_Campbell]

Or at least there was ... 

Stephen Yaxley-Lennon bought himself a £900,000 house with someone's money, so it appears there's still some gold in them thar racist hills...

[Frank]

Or at least there was ... 

Stephen Yaxley-Lennon bought himself a £900,000 house with someone's money, so it appears there's still some gold in them thar racist hills...

As I'm sure you know, but it's a hilarious irony worth repeating, the legitimate part of Yaxley-Lennon's income was earned turning white people into brown people*


* Orange, probably

[Professor Bear]

The BBC will cheerfully broadcast fascists and racists unchallenged.

In the interests of balance, you have to air both sides of the argument, hence Nigel Farage and Stephen Yaxley-Lennon being given screentime as a counterpoint to the arguments that we're living in the 21st century and most people aren't fucking idiots.

[TordelBack]

Seriously Prof, less of your ursine sophistry - it's perfectly clear that the truth lies almost exactly in between two extreme viewpoints, that's just how the world works. 

For example, if the theory of evolution was fully correct, then pray tell why are there still monkeys? If the laws of gravity were fully true, how would planes fly, eh? If all people had an equal value and the same set of intrinsic rights, why would we treat so many of them like subhuman shit?  You cant blame the media for trying to reflect the real world.

[JayzusB.Christ]

Ancient aliens, see.

[Professor Bear]

Not sure what the middle ground might be between guillotining the rich and hoping really hard that communism is a winner this time around and the rich setting fire to all the countries and hiding in a cave until they die and their kids eat each other, but one way or another it's fixing up to be an eventful decade or so.

[IAMTHESYSTEM]

You'd have to kill the rich worldwide to make such a strategy effective and since Vladimir Putin is one of the wealthiest men on the Planet good luck there. We'll be served 'Russian tea' and return glowing from that experience. It seems enforcement of the rules is what the 1% dread since their Lawyers and accountants can't drive hard bargains with governments that way. They bribe, corrupt or intimidate the politicians into non-regulation hence the stranglehold they exert upon society is far higher than their numbers. That's part of the reason established politicians are being thrown out to be replaced by pseudo-Nationalist in an attempt to break the CEO/Bankers grip and with possibly disastrous results all around. The 'strongman' politico's who are coming in are often very volatile personalities, narrow-minded in view and deeds and might resort to either blame others, foreigners, internal opposition when their corruption or economic mismanagement drag their countries into decline. War, of course, is a great distraction from internal strife and that's the worry how long before willingly or just through their sheer bloody incompetence does some little border dispute become the lightning rod for all the competing parties to fight over.         

[TordelBack]

Prof Bear has pinned his hopes for socio-political reform on a nice little guillotine Kickstarter. The stretch goals include knitting classes. Mobfunding is the next big thing.

[Hawkmumbler]

Prof Bear has pinned his hopes for socio-political reform on a nice little guillotine Kickstarter. The stretch goals include knitting classes. Mobfunding is the next big thing.

[Professor Bear]

Prof Bear has pinned his hopes for socio-political reform on a nice little guillotine Kickstarter. The stretch goals include knitting classes. Mobfunding is the next big thing.

I'm actually hoping capitalism endures in its current form because it's worked out just fine for me so far, I only pretend to be a braying communist to stop myself getting lynched during The Event by - let's be honest here - the 70-85% of this board that are hard left bullies (© Facebook 2018).

[IAMTHESYSTEM]

Communism claim that Capitalism must inevitably fail has rung true; it did fail, and this is the fallout were still under a whole decade after the crash of 2008. Trouble is communism also collapsed its claim of being able to build better human beings proven false. Nationalism is the entity to which many have turned to, Scottish, Irish but particularly a growing English Nationalism, which contributed to giving us Brexit and this more polarising assertion of identity is what is coming. We can't return to the world that was, it's almost history already, and a much more fragmented Planet will probably be the result. Perhaps this is the chaos before some, ahem new world order appears, though it might be a very factional creation prone to tribal outbursts, despotism and asymmetrical warfare.   

[Professor Bear]

When communists claim capitalism will fail, they don't mean they were waiting for the 2008 crash to be vindicated, they meant that financial crises are an inevitable component of capitalism* because its founding precept is getting more of a return than you invest.  Inequality is unavoidable, so they just made that the endgame.
In Communism, you murder Kulaks and rob their stuff - but eventually you run out of Kulaks.  No system is perfect.


* going back as far as "The Financial Panic of AD 33", Roman banks created a financial crisis by issuing too many unsecured loans (LOL) until Tiberius salvaged the economy with quantitative easing (ROFLcopter).  Capitalism sure doesn't like to change much.

[The Legendary Shark]

The fundamental flaw shared by capitalism corporatism (fascism) and communism is that both systems are presided over by a tiny fraction of greedy wazzocks pretending to have the right to dictate how things go and supported by great masses pretending to be inferior.