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1325 Slaine - A Case for the Defence

Started by Cyber-Matt, 30 January, 2003, 11:20:20 PM

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mongor2003

You say you're "not for censorship in anyway" yet prior to that you're saying " it STILL shouldn't have been in tooth", isn't this a tad hypocritical, what you're saying is because this offends you, consequently it shouldnt be in 2000ad, isnt this a censorship style attitude to be adopting?

ukdane

Bou: Well it might make Slaine warp a bit, if he was buggered.
Should you have mentioned that? Isn't it boardering on fan fiction? Watch out, or Mills-y will be after you ;-)

Hex: your point seems to me to be totally hypocritical, and in anycase, why shouldn't it have been in 2000ad?
Cheers

-Daney



Tex Hex

I was trying to say that whilst not againt censorship, i feel there is a correct context for things. An i feel tooth was not the right context for this particular plot turn. As opposed to the ultra-literal traslation and jabberings about hypocracy suggested above. And it didnt offend me, at no point did I say that. In fact a few days ago I was on this very board defending The legend of the Overfiend , an 18 certificate movie, for all its manga demon porn and violence.  

mongor2003

Whereas before you said youre not "for censorship in anyway" Now you're saying you're "not against censorship" make you're mind up please.

Tex Hex

Ok, Ok I got that bit wrong. Typing AND doing nuclear physics is tough. I didnt mean "against" in that lasat one, I mean "for". D'oh!

Slippery PD

Arent we all getting a little uptight about the whole thing.  Hexen is only trying to put forward a point of veiw and heck we are all entitled to change our minds if we want.  

Personally, I thought it was unnecessary, thats all.  Slaine's major reason for doing what he does (and he didnt think it too many) is his love for Naimh, thats why he left the tirbe, etc.  

Now her death would be enough motivation for anyone to go and kill the person (thing) responsible.  The rape for me was rather a non event and hence didnt actually do what it was intended.  Her death though has me thinking about what Slaine will do next, its the death here thats the motivation, not the rape and as such seems rather voyeuristic.

yer Slippo  

Tex Hex

diGriz? Slippo? Whats going on? Wasnt slippo "slippo"? Why are you now not?

Oddboy

Sl?ine didn't even see the rape happening, he only saw her die...
If she'd been raped & survived - that could have been motivation.
As she died - it would've been better to 'just' have her brutally tortured/mutilated.


(Who said Moloch was male anyway?)
Better set your phaser to stun.

karne

There has been a number of very good points raised in these postings, but the one that I'd like to expand upon is the fact that as Slaine never actually saw the rape, was it necessary?

The way I look at it, if you'd been violated by a spine-covered demon there would be evidence to make this apparent. Slaine would probably have been able to figure out the events that had taken place in his absence, so Pat could probably justify it.

I would however like to generate a further bout of stirring by suggesting that as 2K is a comic, and comics are intended to entertain, can we now assume that rape should be viewed as a subject for entertainment?

Mourning the death of morality,

Karne.


Queen Firey-Bou

Nope sorry Karne that doesnae wash, cos by that decree 2K should only have fluffy bunnies in flowery frolics. 2K is fiction, no one said it has to be nice & hippy.

& someone metioned something about showing the nasty realities of life.... well i think THAt is a different issue actually. we are talking about fantasy & fiction, (yes yes i know it can parody, satire & be metophorical ..whatever). So i do not expect the droids to come up with an in depth study on the affect of sexual abuse & violence in society. we can leave that in the capable hands of the soap operas (extreem sarcasm alert).

I'm just glad its got us thinking is all. just as long as no sea demons think they can get away with that behavior on any planet is all. send em to singapore ha ! That'll scare the dorty feckers.

Capt.Zeep

send em to singapore ha ! That'll scare the dorty feckers.

Erm, why? Or am I just stoopid?

Anyway, should we be "demonising" demons?

karne

"by that decree 2K should only have fluffy bunnies in flowery frolics".

Now that's a little extreme Bou. All I was suggesting is, are there some subjects that should not be used for the purpose of entertainment. Personally I'm very liberal minded when it comes to such issues, I'm merely trying to provoke a debate over whether or not if this sort of material became the norm, would we all become so de-sensitised to it that it would cause no outrage at all?  

W. R. Logan

>Bou: Well it might make Slaine warp a bit, if he was buggered.

or at least make his eyes water.

La Placa Rifa,
W. R. Logan.

ukdane

But then isn't that why he's got a dwarf ;-/
???


I think the rape scene would have had a deeper inpact still, if she'd died then been raped, as opposed to being stabbed, raped, and then dying in Slaine's arms.
Cheers

-Daney



Slippery PD

I still have to go back to the point I made earlier, the Raping doesnt have an impact.  Because it isnt Slaines reason for revenge.  Maybe Morloch will taunt slaine or something with the rape, but until that happens, Slaines motive remains the death of Naimh not the rape and as such it renders the rape unnecessary in my eyes.

Hex - I am slippo I just get bored with the same name all the time.


Yer Slippo