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Title: Judge dredd complete case files volume 5 help!!
Post by: Polygon grunt on 23 November, 2012, 11:24:38 PM
Can't find a copy of case files volume 5,other than one for 43 quid on amazon (not that it's not worth it,but I don't want some creep thinkin they can rip people off whilly nilly!)

Tho there is this disgusting American version cover on there,it's guna ruin my beautiful case files collection.

Anyone got any clue if there will be some more prints of this coming anytime or any suggestions where to get a copy??everywere I've looked online,including 2000ad shop don't have it  :(

Thanks!
Title: Re: Judge dredd complete case files volume 5 help!!
Post by: Dandontdare on 24 November, 2012, 12:06:02 AM
They do reprint the case Files as they go out of stock, as they're a consistent seller, but we could still be talking months. Best tip is just make a habit of never passing a bookshop or comic shop without bobbing in - there will still be copies on loads of shelves all over the country, it's just finding 'em! It's what shopping used to be like before Amazon.
Title: Re: Judge dredd complete case files volume 5 help!!
Post by: Polygon grunt on 24 November, 2012, 10:50:13 AM
yeh ill be keeping an eye out in local book shops for it too, just wondering if maybe amazons made a blunder with the cover its got listed on the site, tempted to just risk it and hope they have.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1781080283/ref=s9_simh_gw_p14_d0_i1?pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=1TGQ6NVTBY403JMPMK7A&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=317828027&pf_rd_i=468294

Title: Re: Judge dredd complete case files volume 5 help!!
Post by: HdE on 24 November, 2012, 01:19:46 PM
Yeah, just to echo what's said here:

I made the bold decision to buy up the entire Case Files run just before my day job and finances hit rock bottom. It was mostly a cakewalk, but there were a few volumes that proved quite hard to get hold of.

My best suggestion - and I'm really loathe to put this to you - is to take a look on Ebay for anything you can't find elsewhere. That's where I sourced my copies of Case Files 3 and 6, I think. I looked for those on Amazon, but the prices even for second hand copies at the time were astronomical!

As with a lot of things on Ebay, you'll not actually make a huge saving. But you'll at least pay a reasonable price for the book if it's there.

Title: Re: Judge dredd complete case files volume 5 help!!
Post by: SKD on 24 November, 2012, 02:28:48 PM
 It's available on Forbidden Planet.com. Web price £9.23. Order on request, expected delivery time is 21 days.

Happy hunting.

Stew.
Title: Re: Judge dredd complete case files volume 5 help!!
Post by: Polygon grunt on 25 November, 2012, 01:01:48 AM
thanks for the tip man, tho aparently the title is not actually in stock on forbidden planeet, they order it when they know you want it. plus ive had bad experiences with them before with stuff thats out of stock, there happy to take payment from you without having the goods to actually post out an keep you waiting indefinetly.

going to check som book shops tomorrow but if i dont have any luck will order the amazon one and hope that its the brittish version an not the yank cover shown on the site. will report back with my findings.

cheers guys
Title: Re: Judge dredd complete case files volume 5 help!!
Post by: a chosen rider on 25 November, 2012, 01:11:45 AM
Quote from: Polygon grunt on 25 November, 2012, 01:01:48 AMgoing to check som book shops tomorrow but if i dont have any luck will order the amazon one and hope that its the brittish version an not the yank cover shown on the site. will report back with my findings.

Check the ISBN.  The British and American editions will have different ISBN codes.
Title: Re: Judge dredd complete case files volume 5 help!!
Post by: The Bissler on 25 November, 2012, 01:59:24 AM
I had the same problem sourcing that book, but definitely keep checking the shops.  I picked up a copy for my nephew about 2 months ago.  If memory serves me correctly it was from a local branch of Waterstones (though their online shops says they are out of stock). 
Title: Re: Judge dredd complete case files volume 5 help!!
Post by: Robo-K33F on 25 November, 2012, 09:48:37 AM
Case Files 1, 5and a couple of others have just been reprinted and should be easily available again.

Don't quite know why you think the US cover is 'disgusting' though - never heard Bollard artwork referred to in that way before.

If that is how you feel though, we would appreciate it if you kept that to yourself - it's both insulting to the artist and the designer who spend time putting the cover together.
Title: Re: Judge dredd complete case files volume 5 help!!
Post by: Frank on 25 November, 2012, 10:08:53 AM
Quote from: Robo-K33F on 25 November, 2012, 09:48:37 AM
Don't quite know why you think the US cover is 'disgusting' though - never heard Bollard artwork referred to in that way before. If that is how you feel though, we would appreciate it if you kept that to yourself - it's both insulting to the artist and the designer who spend time putting the cover together.

Ezquerra artwork.
Title: Re: Judge dredd complete case files volume 5 help!!
Post by: Polygon grunt on 25 November, 2012, 10:44:29 AM
I realise that was a poor choice of words,No disrespect was intended to the artist or artwork itself on the American cover, I wouldn't be obsessed with collecting and reading the case files if I didn't love every inch of the dredd artwork. My comment was referring to the design and not the artwork itself and was purely at the fact it's different to the rest of my anal collection, not that actually think that's its bad.

Sorry if that offended anyone, will consider what I type more carefully in future.
Title: Re: Judge dredd complete case files volume 5 help!!
Post by: Polygon grunt on 25 November, 2012, 11:58:10 AM
ok as luck would have it waterstones was indeed the place to look , managed to find a copy so very happy!

thanks for all the help and info , and good to know re-prints are constantly being produced. again apologies for initally expressing myself poorly , bloody love dredd , the artwork and everything to do with it and i hate that i may have given the impression that i dont, just being a snooty collector!
Title: Re: Judge dredd complete case files volume 5 help!!
Post by: jannerboyuk on 25 November, 2012, 12:19:31 PM
Not sure why you can't express how you feel about any art and design even if you did find it disgusting! Artists and designers put themselves out there which I respect immensely but if you haven't got a thick skin by that point then sheesh wrong business!
Title: Re: Judge dredd complete case files volume 5 help!!
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 25 November, 2012, 12:43:22 PM
Quote from: jannerboyuk on 25 November, 2012, 12:19:31 PM
Not sure why you can't express how you feel about any art and design even if you did find it disgusting! Artists and designers put themselves out there which I respect immensely but if you haven't got a thick skin by that point then sheesh wrong business!

This.

Whilst I don't agree that the artwork is 'disgusting' surely the OP is allowed to state an opinion?
Personally I find the artwork of David Hockney childish and amateurish and a bit crap but that does not mean I do not respect the views and opinions of those who like and even love his artwork.
One man's meat is another man's poison and all that.
Have we become so thin skinned that even the most mildest of criticism is now an automatic affront?
For what it's worth I am a huge fan of Ezquerra (as it is his artwork that is being discussed, not Bolland's) but the cover of Case Files 5 (US) does not represent his artwork, blown up out of all  proportion as it is.
Sorry for any consternation caused to Ezquerra, his family, friends, and fans but that's my opinion.
Title: Re: Judge dredd complete case files volume 5 help!!
Post by: Polygon grunt on 25 November, 2012, 12:59:51 PM
yeh,  im diapointed that i worded it so that it came across i was saying i found the artwork disgusting becasue thats not what i was trying to say, and not at all how i feel about it.

if i had have been offering an opinion on the art then id have been well within my rights as a human and not a robot to think and express that , but i wasnt really , i was just being a snob about a different design of the cover not fitting in with the rest of my books (boohoo i know!) and wasnt attacking the art itself.
Title: Re: Judge dredd complete case files volume 5 help!!
Post by: jannerboyuk on 25 November, 2012, 01:08:09 PM
To be honest the old full face of dredd design always disappoints. I can't help but think when
I see a variation of that the artist or designer has ran out of ideas
Title: Re: Judge dredd complete case files volume 5 help!!
Post by: Spikes on 25 November, 2012, 02:19:08 PM
For what its worth, i quite like those US covers for the Case Files.
But yes, if your collecting then best not to mix and match. And its ok to be anal on here - you should see that thread on spine angst,  ;)


Quote from: Dandontdare on 24 November, 2012, 12:06:02 AM
They do reprint the case Files as they go out of stock, as they're a consistent seller

Slightly off topic, but i caught CF#1 in Waterstones yesterday, which - if i remember correctly, was up to its 19th re-printing? Nice to see that there proving to be a hit.
Wonder how many copies are in a print run, and how many have been sold to date?
Title: Re: Judge dredd complete case files volume 5 help!!
Post by: jannerboyuk on 25 November, 2012, 02:59:58 PM
Quote from: Judge Jack on 25 November, 2012, 02:19:08 PM
For what its worth, i quite like those US covers for the Case Files.
But yes, if your collecting then best not to mix and match. And its ok to be anal on here - you should see that thread on spine angst,  ;)


Quote from: Dandontdare on 24 November, 2012, 12:06:02 AM
They do reprint the case Files as they go out of stock, as they're a consistent seller

Slightly off topic, but i caught CF#1 in Waterstones yesterday, which - if i remember correctly, was up to its 19th re-printing? Nice to see that there proving to be a hit.
Wonder how many copies are in a print run, and how many have been sold to date?
Hmv had the early case files at a tenner a pop recently, at least in Cardiff
Title: Re: Judge dredd complete case files volume 5 help!!
Post by: Polygon grunt on 25 November, 2012, 03:28:45 PM
Yeh there great for hooking in new fans. Personally I'd never read any dredd or 2000ad until I saw the recent dredd film.loved the movie and was intrigued about the character so been able to absorb myself in it right from the start is fantastic and turned me into a big fan and a subscriber to 2000ad aswel.

Encouraging that it seems I'm not the only new comer too,amazon has case files 01 in its top 100 graphic novel sellers for 1312 days, over 3 years!
Title: Re: Judge dredd complete case files volume 5 help!!
Post by: hippynumber1 on 25 November, 2012, 03:41:09 PM
Quote from: Mattofthespurs on 25 November, 2012, 12:43:22 PM
Quote from: jannerboyuk on 25 November, 2012, 12:19:31 PM
Not sure why you can't express how you feel about any art and design even if you did find it disgusting! Artists and designers put themselves out there which I respect immensely but if you haven't got a thick skin by that point then sheesh wrong business!

This.

Whilst I don't agree that the artwork is 'disgusting' surely the OP is allowed to state an opinion?
Personally I find the artwork of David Hockney childish and amateurish and a bit crap but that does not mean I do not respect the views and opinions of those who like and even love his artwork.
One man's meat is another man's poison and all that.
Have we become so thin skinned that even the most mildest of criticism is now an automatic affront?
For what it's worth I am a huge fan of Ezquerra (as it is his artwork that is being discussed, not Bolland's) but the cover of Case Files 5 (US) does not represent his artwork, blown up out of all  proportion as it is.
Sorry for any consternation caused to Ezquerra, his family, friends, and fans but that's my opinion.

I agree; I think the 'problem' with the initial post was the choice of 'disgusting' to describe the art! I dislike the design of the US case files but 'disgusting' is a whole other lever. Ultimately, I think it was just poor choice of words - it's SO easy to offend unintentionally online and in text form because it's a casual, informal mode just like when you're chatting to friends in the pub but there are no prosodic features like tone, inflection, eye-contact or any of the other subtleties that give these comments context. I learned a while back that you have to stop, read, think and check you're sure it says what you mean before pressing that pesky 'post' button!
Title: Re: Judge dredd complete case files volume 5 help!!
Post by: Robo-K33F on 25 November, 2012, 04:07:12 PM
Quote from: Mattofthespurs on 25 November, 2012, 12:43:22 PM
Quote from: jannerboyuk on 25 November, 2012, 12:19:31 PM
Not sure why you can't express how you feel about any art and design even if you did find it disgusting! Artists and designers put themselves out there which I respect immensely but if you haven't got a thick skin by that point then sheesh wrong business!

This.

Whilst I don't agree that the artwork is 'disgusting' surely the OP is allowed to state an opinion?
Personally I find the artwork of David Hockney childish and amateurish and a bit crap but that does not mean I do not respect the views and opinions of those who like and even love his artwork.
One man's meat is another man's poison and all that.
Have we become so thin skinned that even the most mildest of criticism is now an automatic affront?
For what it's worth I am a huge fan of Ezquerra (as it is his artwork that is being discussed, not Bolland's) but the cover of Case Files 5 (US) does not represent his artwork, blown up out of all  proportion as it is.
Sorry for any consternation caused to Ezquerra, his family, friends, and fans but that's my opinion.

You can be critical without being ignorant - I'm sure that you would be offended if someone described you or your work in the same way.

I assume that people are posting here because they like 2000 AD - if so, show some respect.

Title: Re: Judge dredd complete case files volume 5 help!!
Post by: Polygon grunt on 25 November, 2012, 04:16:55 PM
Yeh your completely right. Was my first ever post an I just blasted it out an hit post thinking it would come out perfect.Think it's fair to say I made a balls up of it, was actually tryin to be funny overexagerating about it but that doesn't really come across very well on a forum as I now realise.
Title: Re: Judge dredd complete case files volume 5 help!!
Post by: Robo-K33F on 25 November, 2012, 04:27:01 PM
Fair enough. Maybe I'm being a little too sensitive, having choosen the image for the cover and also being friends with the designer who I know puts 100% into everything he does.

Now, did I mention that the UK edition will be available again soon?


Title: Re: Judge dredd complete case files volume 5 help!!
Post by: The Bissler on 26 November, 2012, 02:59:09 PM
@ Polygon Grunt: glad my tip-off helped you out bud.  For what it's worth I knew what you were getting at.  As someone who has all of the case files to date, I too would be appalled if one of my case files was a completely different design, ie American version.  The same would apply if it was the other way around, ie I had all U.S. versions and had to then screw up my collection with a UK one.  No one wants their collection ruined by a variant edition, it sticks out like a sore thumb.

@Robo-K33F: While I would agree that Polygon could have worded it better, I'm more concerned about slapping down a newbie to the forum.  We want people to engage with the forum and I'd hate for someone to be feel alienated from Dredd/2000AD because their first experience on the forum was being told to keep his opinions to himself (apologies if you are a lady Polygon!).  He's clearly a paying customer and as far as I'm concerned, the more people buying the graphic novels, the better.  A request to tone down the criticism would, in my opinion, have been more appropriate. 

Let's not shut down peoples' right to an opinion, people debating their feelings about Dredd / 2000AD keeps them engaged in the comics/graphic novels and hopefully keep buying these wonderful books (US and UK editions alike)!
Title: Re: Judge dredd complete case files volume 5 help!!
Post by: Polygon grunt on 26 November, 2012, 03:26:34 PM
nah its cool , like robo said he's a little closer to the production of these things and when it looks like someone is just rolling in and shitting all over a lot of peoples hard work i can see why id be told to be more respectful.

Im glad you can see where i was coming from with it tho, as ive said before i think the artwork is incredible and was only describing it as disgusting in the context that it would be different from the rest of my colection, and not that taken on its own i think it is disgusting......but i failed to properly convey that.
i also regret bitching about forbidden planet, just because ive had one bad experience it doesnt reflect them as a whole and ive had plenty of successful purchases with them too. risky buisness this forum posting lark, need to engage my brain more before i type!
Title: Re: Judge dredd complete case files volume 5 help!!
Post by: IndigoPrime on 26 November, 2012, 04:46:11 PM
Quote from: The Bissler on 26 November, 2012, 02:59:09 PMLet's not shut down peoples' right to an opinion, people debating their feelings about Dredd / 2000AD keeps them engaged in the comics/graphic novels and hopefully keep buying these wonderful books (US and UK editions alike)!
To clarify something, no-one's right to an opinion and debate is being shut down on this forum. What we've asked for since day one is for people to be constructive in any criticism and to moderate their language. People should never be afraid of saying something like "I really don't think the new series of Space Opossum doesn't hit the mark. The bit where he built the giant hat out of jelly just made no sense, and the artwork just feels hurried compared to the previous volume," but we so often here get "SPACE OPOSSUM SUCKS! I HOPE THE WRITER DIES OF OPOSSUM WORMS!"

Note: I'm not suggesting Polygon grunt was that bad, but he's realised the wording he used could have been a lot better. I guess the point for people is to write, take a step back, reread once or twice and then post, rather than posting with red fury over their eyes.
Title: Re: Judge dredd complete case files volume 5 help!!
Post by: The Bissler on 26 November, 2012, 05:02:49 PM
I agree with all of that Indigo and I'm not saying people have the right to say anything on this forum.  Clearly that would be absurd and would open all manner of cans of Space Opossum Worms. 

All I'm suggesting is that the telling of someone to keep their opinions to themselves which could have been misconstrued by some as an instruction not to post again seemed a little heavy-handed to me - particularly in the case of someone making their first ever post.   

Anyway, Polygon has by his own admission said he was in the wrong and would probably prefer this thread to come to an end so I won't continue this discussion further...
Title: Re: Judge dredd complete case files volume 5 help!!
Post by: Polygon grunt on 26 November, 2012, 05:50:44 PM
yeh a self imposed trial by fire this one, think its a testament to the top class people on here tho that everyones offered intelligent and understanding comments, and it hasnt turned into a slagging match so common online. proves its a classy community, one id like to be a part of, and hopefully havent screwed up too much by a rushed first post. your first times always a messy embarassing rush job!
Title: Re: Judge dredd complete case files volume 5 help!!
Post by: hippynumber1 on 26 November, 2012, 05:59:15 PM
Quote from: Polygon grunt on 26 November, 2012, 05:50:44 PM
yeh a self imposed trial by fire this one, think its a testament to the top class people on here tho that everyones offered intelligent and understanding comments, and it hasnt turned into a slagging match so common online. proves its a classy community, one id like to be a part of, and hopefully havent screwed up too much by a rushed first post. your first times always a messy embarassing rush job!

I hope you don't get Space Opossum Worms; they're nasty!
Title: Re: Judge dredd complete case files volume 5 help!!
Post by: Spikes on 26 November, 2012, 06:11:35 PM
Quote from: Polygon grunt on 26 November, 2012, 05:50:44 PM
hopefully havent screwed up

You havent.

Quote from: Polygon grunt on 26 November, 2012, 05:50:44 PM
its a classy community, one id like to be a part of

Excellant! And welcome, btw. :wave:


Title: Re: Judge dredd complete case files volume 5 help!!
Post by: Cactus on 26 November, 2012, 06:57:29 PM
Putting aside all the drama and the group hugs, the news is that Case Files 5 is out of print now but will be back in shops very soon? That's great, because one of my friends is dipping into the series and that's the one I recommended he get next.
Title: Re: Judge dredd complete case files volume 5 help!!
Post by: jannerboyuk on 26 November, 2012, 07:50:57 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 26 November, 2012, 04:46:11 PM
Quote from: The Bissler on 26 November, 2012, 02:59:09 PMLet's not shut down peoples' right to an opinion, people debating their feelings about Dredd / 2000AD keeps them engaged in the comics/graphic novels and hopefully keep buying these wonderful books (US and UK editions alike)!
To clarify something, no-one's right to an opinion and debate is being shut down on this forum. What we've asked for since day one is for people to be constructive in any criticism and to moderate their language. People should never be afraid of saying something like "I really don't think the new series of Space Opossum doesn't hit the mark. The bit where he built the giant hat out of jelly just made no sense, and the artwork just feels hurried compared to the previous volume," but we so often here get "SPACE OPOSSUM SUCKS! I HOPE THE WRITER DIES OF OPOSSUM WORMS!"

Note: I'm not suggesting Polygon grunt was that bad, but he's realised the wording he used could have been a lot better. I guess the point for people is to write, take a step back, reread once or twice and then post, rather than posting with red fury over their eyes.
Fair enough. I suppose part of the problem is an opinion expressed by a mod can seem official and put a different tone on things when of course mods can express their opinion as much as anyone. Opossum worm infestation sounds serious, hope there is a cure!
Title: Re: Judge dredd complete case files volume 5 help!!
Post by: IndigoPrime on 26 November, 2012, 08:53:45 PM
Quote from: jannerboyuk on 26 November, 2012, 07:50:57 PMOpossum worm infestation sounds serious, hope there is a cure!
You have to send in an opossum, but that just opens up another can of worms.
Title: Re: Judge dredd complete case files volume 5 help!!
Post by: jannerboyuk on 26 November, 2012, 09:47:00 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 26 November, 2012, 08:53:45 PM
Quote from: jannerboyuk on 26 November, 2012, 07:50:57 PMOpossum worm infestation sounds serious, hope there is a cure!
You have to send in an opossum, but that just opens up another can of worms.
then the old lady swallowed an opossum, I don't know why she swallowed...
Title: Re: Judge dredd complete case files volume 5 help!!
Post by: FinH on 27 November, 2012, 12:19:04 AM
Off-hand , misconstrued bits of hyperbole aside, I know how the original poster feels; my Case Files 1 and 2 are the American versions and, whilst there's nothing wrong with the Dredd heads per se, it does sort of ruin the classic, handsome uniform look of the collection.
Title: Re: Judge dredd complete case files volume 5 help!!
Post by: TheBalzan on 27 November, 2012, 09:14:10 AM
As my first vote on the forums I'm slightly nervous to say that I 100% understood what Polygon Grunt meant. It had nothing to do with the artwork but that it was the wrong one. Every other way of reading is a touch overly sensitive ;)
Maybe I just empathise with them as I am also struggling to find the UK version of v.5 and can only find the US one.
Though my troubles are worse where Australian brick and mortar only seems to import the US versions of the earlier volumes and that's all.
I did see word of it being reprinted earlier in the thread (inbetween the drama), any idea how long it takes between printing runs and getting it in my greedy hands?