Soccer Thugs

[ThryllSeekyr]

Soccer is actualley ther first thing that pops into my head when I hear or read the word Hooligan. Though I am not sure if Soccer is a major theme in this movie.

'Green Street Hooligans' is movie set in somewhere in the UK about outsider ( Elijah Wood ) who is new town after being wrongfully expelled from his local school.
He gets picked on in the city, and some friends of the people he is now living with who turn out to be a Pacifst gang that control the area come to his aid.

There are supposedley alot of street bashing typical hooligan behaviour by the looks.

[Rob Spalding]

"Soccer" really?
[It's called Football over here, 'cos they, y'know, use their feet ;)]

It's about West Ham fans afaik, and there is violence between rival supporters.
Have you seen it?  Or are you just chatting?

[Conexus]

yeah, it's crap glorifying crap that shouldn't be glorified and prepetuating an untrue British Sterotype of Brits to the rest of Europe,and America

Way to go

[Floyd-the-k]

I don't instantly think of soccer when I see the word hooligan, but there is an association. I feel sorry for the vast majority of soccer buffs who I assume are not hooligans.

[Trout]

Lifted from the web somewhere:
According to the OED, the origin of "hooligan" is unknown. They explain that the word first appeared in 1898 in London police reports, and suggest that "hooligan" might be a corruption of "Hooley" or "Hooley's gang".

The OED further notes that the name "Hooligan" was used in the late 19th century for a comic Irish character and a "rowdy Irish family".

But that Elijah Wood film looks terrible.

- Open-minded Trout

[Bad Andy]

Soccer is actually an abbreviated form of 'association', so it is actaully an English word, which we don't tend to use.

Green Street (as it is called over here) is apparently a big heap of bollocks.

Why did this thread get started anyway? Not criticising, just curious.

[ThryllSeekyr]

Well, thats just my personal word association.
As for the film, don't knock it, until you've seen it.

[Martin Jameson]

I've seen it and Conexus pretty much sums it up.

"C'mon yer stoopid yank up the apple and pears! See, that means stairs! Cos we talk'n cockeny rhyming slang!"

Or something like that anyway.

[Quirkafleeg]

Is it worse than ID?

[House of Usher]

Green Street looked awful just from the trailer.

[Satanist]

I quite liked ID. Shadwell!

"Hooligan" makes me think of a rampaging mob of dim witted fuckers marching up my street smashing cars, shops, pubs & people while under police escort.

That was the last Scotland-Engerlund new year game they had which is a shame. I don't think I've quite shit myself as much since as when I turned onto my street to see that coming towards me.

[Quirkafleeg]

Anyone see the film of the Football Factory... I quite liked the book (despite it having no plot whatsoever)some class opening lines...("Coventry are fuck all.") I also seem to remember The Firm (tv play/film thing) being very good... must track down the dvd of that...

[Satanist]

Yeak I liked the Football Factory, but aint seen the film yet.
I saw The Firm again not that long ago. The best part is spotting all the soap actors from when they were young.

[Conexus]

lightsurfer: I haven't seen it, just going on evryreview I've seen by the stereotype, I meant the idea that all Brits are thugs (and visting and posting messages on a popular American website the Yanks do seem to believe it) Didn't know the went the whole nine yards and had cockney stereotypes thrown in two.

Thing is, Elijah got totally sucked into the hype of his own movie ;in an interview he said that London was much more scary and violent than New York and went on about how the football thugs were often family men, and that is wasn't so much about  the violence, it was the camradery.

Needless to say I lost a lot of respect for Frodo after reading that    

[ThryllSeekyr]

I'm Australian, actualley, and that is the what I often see presented to me as part of Soccer/Football culture in the UK. Through Television, books, other media.

But that isn't to say other parts of the world don't have problem areas.

For instnace consider what happening in Saudi Arabia at the moment.

Perhaps Mister Wood said that London was more scary & violent than New York because, to him, New York is more familar ground.

The same way you may see London as more familar ground. That if you are local to London or close by.

Personally, I would believe New York to be little more scarier than London in terms of street violence, at the moment.

That is my perspective though.