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Title: Prog 2085
Post by: BPP on 07 June, 2018, 03:26:44 pm
Surprised this landed so early - great cliff Robinson cover in that it’s cliff Robinson rather than it’s a great cover (it’s fine)

Everything else moving along grand. Two art niggles - jake Lynch needs to draw some backgrounds and the ‘night’ colours on Durham Red make it a particularly dull strip to look at.

Still nice to have bagged my first subs thread with my first subs issue.

Title: Re: Prog 2085
Post by: Magnetica on 07 June, 2018, 04:50:32 pm
What’s the tag line?
Title: Re: Prog 2085
Post by: BPP on 07 June, 2018, 05:26:14 pm
Gun Your Engines!

Sub - assassins hit and run in Judge Dredd
Title: Re: Prog 2085
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 09 June, 2018, 10:02:21 am
(https://i.imgur.com/TARDSjA.jpg)
Title: Re: Prog 2085
Post by: moly on 09 June, 2018, 12:12:35 pm
Highlight for me the week were dead world and survival geeks
Title: Re: Prog 2085
Post by: Colin YNWA on 09 June, 2018, 02:23:26 pm
A Thursday Prog is very impressive, don't think I've ever had one of those... unless its late that is.

Anyway to more important matters its another good Prog, but pretty much as you where really, no shame it that but it does kill a Prog thread!

The biggest problem is now Skip Tracer and the problem remains the same its just feels like its had enough time to sort it. All the cool minators, all the excellent visuals and all the intriguing endings are for nowt if you don't care because you haven't been engaged with the main character and the conflict they face. I've been patient enough as that can take time but we're 5 issues in now and I'm no more invested than I was in part 1.Shame as it has potential and does look great. Funny cos in my current re-read documented elsewhere I've discussed the main problem with strip I'm reading now from back in 1991/2 and there are so many strips with angry, hard men with nothing to buy in and no charm or charisma ... we have the same problem here.

The other problem remains Survival Geeks which for all its moment that catch hold and provide fun is overall still a bit twee and again I'm just not invested in the character enough. Shame looks great.

Everything else remains great though, Dredd a delicious balance, Durham Red an action thriller and Deadworld is just fantastic as an invasion seems to be thrown into the mix!

Good prog.
Title: Re: Prog 2085
Post by: IndigoPrime on 09 June, 2018, 03:13:15 pm
For the first time, I'm feeling a touch twitchy about Deadworld, with the references to Dredd's universe. Still, the strip as a whole is rattling along nicely, and I love the twist about The Sisters of Death not only being the real powers, but being ancient and from somewhere else – interesting.

Dredd is fab. Durham Red continues to barrel along and is the kind of soft reboot that's rarely been done this well. Survival Geeks does its job, and Skip Tracer, while now wowing me, is perfectly readable.

Not quite a slam-dunk Prog, but when the worst strip is pretty good and three are super, it'd be churlish to complain. Oh, and that snark in the Damage Report made me chuckle.
Title: Re: Prog 2085
Post by: Geoff on 09 June, 2018, 08:16:12 pm
Not got mine..grrr...

A rare absence though these days and patience is a virtue...
Title: Re: Prog 2085
Post by: Woolly on 09 June, 2018, 09:53:39 pm
Deadworld is blowing my mind, as is Durham Red. Dredd is great, if a little drawn out, and Survival Geeks looks lovely but aint for me.

Skip Tracer is getting by on art alone at the minute. Still waiting for the hook on this one.
Title: Re: Prog 2085
Post by: wedgeski on 11 June, 2018, 11:05:12 am
I'm really digging Survival Geeks. There's some really great visual comedy in there, which is fitting for such a beautiful strip.

Skip Tracer is still waiting in line to grab my attention. I can read it in like 40 seconds. This week's episode was a fight, and one piece of information. Still no clue about the protagonist, and very little about the world. Hopefully there'll be a table-flipping episode soon.

Deadworld continues to intrigue, and its parallels to Dreddworld are fun, but I'm one of those people who just doesn't dig the art. Looks great from 10 feet away, but the characters are just a mess of pale tones up close.

Dredd is great. I'd be quite happy with new stories set entirely in the transitional pre-Booth era. It's fertile ground.

Durham is gorgeous, and pootles along nicely.
Title: Re: Prog 2085
Post by: IndigoPrime on 11 June, 2018, 11:07:48 am
Dredd is great. I'd be quite happy with new stories set entirely in the transitional pre-Booth era. It's fertile ground.
Likewise. Would be ideal fodder for the Meg.
Title: Re: Prog 2085
Post by: Tjm86 on 11 June, 2018, 11:33:31 am
Amen.  It's odd how it's not been considered before.  Perhaps too many folks have been put off the idea of stepping on the continuity toes of Messers Wagner and Grant? 

Then again, case for the prosecution: The Phantom Menace.  Maybe some things are best left alone?
Title: Re: Prog 2085
Post by: Frank on 11 June, 2018, 01:30:38 pm
Deadworld ... the art looks great from 10 feet away

How are you reading your comics?


Title: Re: Prog 2085
Post by: wedgeski on 11 June, 2018, 03:17:57 pm
Deadworld ... the art looks great from 10 feet away

How are you reading your comics?
On the way back from the kettle with a cup of tea and a stack of digestives.
Title: Re: Prog 2085
Post by: Frank on 11 June, 2018, 05:31:35 pm
On the way back from the kettle with a cup of tea and a stack of digestives.

Plain, Milk Chocolate, or Dark Chocolate?  Think very carefully about your answer.


Title: Re: Prog 2085
Post by: Richard on 11 June, 2018, 06:03:03 pm
I enjoyed all five stories this week, but Dredd and Red are the best. I liked the night-time fight pictures and thought they worked well enough; the bright river and waterfall stopped it from looking too dark.
Title: Re: Prog 2085
Post by: wedgeski on 12 June, 2018, 09:34:47 am
On the way back from the kettle with a cup of tea and a stack of digestives.

Plain, Milk Chocolate, or Dark Chocolate?  Think very carefully about your answer.
For dipping? Plain Mcvities all the way.
Title: Re: Prog 2085
Post by: The Enigmatic Dr X on 12 June, 2018, 10:06:09 am
Deadworld ... the art looks great from 10 feet away

How are you reading your comics?

With the prog on the floor and me on stilts. Doesn't everyone?
Title: Re: Prog 2085
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 12 June, 2018, 10:34:08 am
With the prog on the floor and me on stilts. Doesn't everyone?

For the love of God, man, treat yourself to some reading glasses!
Title: Re: Prog 2085
Post by: norton canes on 13 June, 2018, 09:38:53 am
Just picked up my prog. All I'm saying for now is told (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=44736.msg968045#msg968045) you so! (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=44754.msg968208#msg968208)
Title: Re: Prog 2085
Post by: sheridan on 13 June, 2018, 12:59:53 pm
Skip Tracer is still waiting in line to grab my attention. I can read it in like 40 seconds. This week's episode was a fight, and one piece of information. Still no clue about the protagonist, and very little about the world. Hopefully there'll be a table-flipping episode soon.

Not come across that phrase before (in this context) - does that mean an episode where a table is flipped literally, or where the storyline gets flipped conceptually?
Title: Re: Prog 2085
Post by: sheridan on 13 June, 2018, 01:00:14 pm
Deadworld ... the art looks great from 10 feet away

How are you reading your comics?
On the way back from the kettle with a cup of tea and a stack of digestives.

One hand with the cup of tea, one hand with the digestives, how do you hold the prog?
Title: Re: Prog 2085
Post by: wedgeski on 13 June, 2018, 01:22:26 pm
Deadworld ... the art looks great from 10 feet away

How are you reading your comics?
On the way back from the kettle with a cup of tea and a stack of digestives.

One hand with the cup of tea, one hand with the digestives, how do you hold the prog?
:WINK:
Title: Re: Prog 2085
Post by: wedgeski on 13 June, 2018, 01:26:00 pm
Skip Tracer is still waiting in line to grab my attention. I can read it in like 40 seconds. This week's episode was a fight, and one piece of information. Still no clue about the protagonist, and very little about the world. Hopefully there'll be a table-flipping episode soon.

Not come across that phrase before (in this context) - does that mean an episode where a table is flipped literally, or where the storyline gets flipped conceptually?
Ironically given your screen name, I got that phrase from one J. Michael Straczynski. :) He likes to write "table-flipping" TV episodes, where the audience assumptions are shown to be false or undergo a radical mutation.
Title: Re: Prog 2085
Post by: broodblik on 13 June, 2018, 01:58:22 pm
The prog continues on the same path and it is still thumbs up for me.
Title: Re: Prog 2085
Post by: sheridan on 13 June, 2018, 02:52:18 pm
Skip Tracer is still waiting in line to grab my attention. I can read it in like 40 seconds. This week's episode was a fight, and one piece of information. Still no clue about the protagonist, and very little about the world. Hopefully there'll be a table-flipping episode soon.

Not come across that phrase before (in this context) - does that mean an episode where a table is flipped literally, or where the storyline gets flipped conceptually?
Ironically given your screen name, I got that phrase from one J. Michael Straczynski. :) He likes to write "table-flipping" TV episodes, where the audience assumptions are shown to be false or undergo a radical mutation.

Ah, nothing against Babylon 5, but that character was the bane of my life when it was popular - NO, I DID NOT NAME MYSELF AFTER A FICTIONAL CHARACTER FROM A TV SHOW I'VE NEVER SEEN! *  (also, if I had access to the time travel necessary to influence my parents in naming me before the show existed, I'd probably be living in a mansion by now!)

*can you tell I used to get this question a lot?
Title: Re: Prog 2085
Post by: James Stacey on 13 June, 2018, 04:13:12 pm
Skip Tracer is still waiting in line to grab my attention. I can read it in like 40 seconds. This week's episode was a fight, and one piece of information. Still no clue about the protagonist, and very little about the world. Hopefully there'll be a table-flipping episode soon.

Not come across that phrase before (in this context) - does that mean an episode where a table is flipped literally, or where the storyline gets flipped conceptually?
Ironically given your screen name, I got that phrase from one J. Michael Straczynski. :) He likes to write "table-flipping" TV episodes, where the audience assumptions are shown to be false or undergo a radical mutation.

Ah, nothing against Babylon 5, but that character was the bane of my life when it was popular - NO, I DID NOT NAME MYSELF AFTER A FICTIONAL CHARACTER FROM A TV SHOW I'VE NEVER SEEN! *  (also, if I had access to the time travel necessary to influence my parents in naming me before the show existed, I'd probably be living in a mansion by now!)

*can you tell I used to get this question a lot?
You should watch it then, its great :D
Title: Re: Prog 2085
Post by: Frank on 13 June, 2018, 04:22:02 pm

(https://i.imgur.com/rBTwVOS.png?3)
(https://i.imgur.com/vduDhN9.png?2)

In an alternate reality, probably one where President Boone was the last president of Amerika, Tharg phoned Kendall and had him work that panel up into Cover Of The Year 2018.

So many individual panels are masterpieces in miniature, but go unappreciated because the artist prioritised storytelling over showboating. It's good to highlight moments where an artist's obviously touched on something that really resonates with him; Ancient and Malevolent are the first blocks in Kendall's custom colour palette.[1]

Kek-W haps psertainly pstruck upon a psuitably dipstinctive psignature pstyle of pspeech for psi characterps, although the temptation to overdo it ips obvioupsly irrepsipstible.

Pspeaking of alternate realities, I can see why two lefties couldn't pass up the opportunity to depict Melania bludgeoning Trump to death in the Kremlin, but if we're to understand Deadworld as a mirror universe of Dredd Alpha, wouldn't it have been more interesting to have Clinton[2] win the election (rather than the popular vote)?

Booth/Boone as Trump and the 2016 (or 2020) election already don't quite fit into the timeline, but throwing Kazan and the Apocalypse War (2104) onto the bonfire really emphasises Nigel's not playing a Long game. Nobody's meticulously planned out how this is all going to fit into an alternate history of MC1[3], like Alan Moore with his roll of butcher paper or Jon Osterman with his watch parts.


[1] Speaking of colour, alluding to Ezquerra's colour aesthetic (https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/britishcomics/images/4/41/Sisters_of_Death.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140919181532) for his two least lovely female character creations is a lovely touch.

[2] 'The third sister. Call her Delirium (https://i.imgur.com/5mAdGy1.png?1)'

[3] Which is fine. It's interesting to mark the distinction, though.
Title: Re: Prog 2085
Post by: Link Prime on 13 June, 2018, 04:33:23 pm
Ah, nothing against Babylon 5, but that character was the bane of my life when it was popular - NO, I DID NOT NAME MYSELF AFTER A FICTIONAL CHARACTER FROM A TV SHOW I'VE NEVER SEEN! *  (also, if I had access to the time travel necessary to influence my parents in naming me before the show existed, I'd probably be living in a mansion by now!)

Relax mate - why don't you sit down with a nice cuppa and a Garibaldi?
Title: Re: Prog 2085
Post by: TordelBack on 13 June, 2018, 09:51:58 pm
Nobody's meticulously planned out how this is all going to fit into an alternate history of MC1[3], like Alan Moore with his roll of butcher paper or Jon Osterman with his watch parts.

I don't think Deadworld is really meant to be an alternate history, though.  It's "Death's dark dimension", populated by twisted analogues of Dreddverse characters and elements (and some from our own?), and all taking place some long time in the "past", rather than being an alternative course of events.  I'm presuming there are psychic/causality echoes bouncing between the two worlds, influencing things like Feyy's prophecy, or possibly Feyy's prophecy influencing Deadworld (this Judge Child might really be a saviour in some sense, rather than a destroyer).  It's all a bit more vague and supernatural, rather than counterfactual.

Title: Re: Prog 2085
Post by: Frank on 13 June, 2018, 10:19:59 pm
I'm presuming there are psychic/causality echoes bouncing between the two worlds

Now it's your turn to overthink things!  I used 100 words when 10 would do; it's all just a bit of a laugh, isn't it?

While we're in Carry-On territory, I thought Nausea's line about Casey's tolerance for dead fluids after their three-way was hilarious downstairs talk, but I'm reliably informed that's probably not the case.

No such ambiguity about what Michael Carroll's up to. He's coming for Dan Abnett's throne:

(https://i.imgur.com/jF2BNNV.png?1)

Title: Re: Prog 2085
Post by: JOE SOAP on 13 June, 2018, 10:53:25 pm
It's all about microbitotics, dead microbiotics.
Title: Re: Prog 2085
Post by: norton canes on 14 June, 2018, 10:03:28 am
Another great prog. To reflect this I'm going to make every strip joint TOP THRILL. Yes, even Skip Tracer.

Skip Tracer is still waiting in line to grab my attention. I can read it in like 40 seconds. This week's episode was a fight, and one piece of information. Still no clue about the protagonist, and very little about the world. Hopefully there'll be a table-flipping episode soon

Maybe we're in for another 'Trifecta'..?
Title: Re: Prog 2085
Post by: Pyroxian on 14 June, 2018, 10:57:55 am
Another great prog. To reflect this I'm going to make every strip joint TOP THRILL. Yes, even Skip Tracer.

Skip Tracer is still waiting in line to grab my attention. I can read it in like 40 seconds. This week's episode was a fight, and one piece of information. Still no clue about the protagonist, and very little about the world. Hopefully there'll be a table-flipping episode soon

Maybe we're in for another 'Trifecta'..?

There's an interesting tail on Page 10 of prog 2083..

Title: Re: Prog 2085
Post by: broodblik on 14 June, 2018, 11:08:06 am
I will give Skip Tracer time to develop (maybe some patience required),  so far I like the story. 
Title: Re: Prog 2085
Post by: sheridan on 14 June, 2018, 10:32:58 pm
Ah, nothing against Babylon 5, but that character was the bane of my life when it was popular - NO, I DID NOT NAME MYSELF AFTER A FICTIONAL CHARACTER FROM A TV SHOW I'VE NEVER SEEN! *  (also, if I had access to the time travel necessary to influence my parents in naming me before the show existed, I'd probably be living in a mansion by now!)

Relax mate - why don't you sit down with a nice cuppa and a Garibaldi?


What's the point of that?  Can't dunk a garibaldi in a cuppa.


Don't normally do brands, but milk chocolate hob nobs are the perfect accompaniment to a cup of hot brown beverage (tea, hot chocolate or coffee, your choice).
Title: Re: Prog 2085
Post by: sheridan on 14 June, 2018, 10:37:46 pm
Another great prog. To reflect this I'm going to make every strip joint TOP THRILL. Yes, even Skip Tracer.

Skip Tracer is still waiting in line to grab my attention. I can read it in like 40 seconds. This week's episode was a fight, and one piece of information. Still no clue about the protagonist, and very little about the world. Hopefully there'll be a table-flipping episode soon

Maybe we're in for another 'Trifecta'..?

That thought crossed my mind when the last panel of Skip Tracer showed The Underneath with pipes and a boiler room vibe while the first panel of Survival Geeks showed backstage at the convention, with pipes and a boiler room vibe.
Title: Re: Prog 2085
Post by: sheridan on 15 June, 2018, 12:20:05 am
By the way, in Survival Geeks I spotted analogues of Leela, Rose Tyler, the Brigadier and Tegan

(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/ea/df/6f/eadf6f401279b40737dc7eb407e208ed--primitive-girls.jpg)

Not to forget Adric, of course!

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-KhPO_gQd9j4/VEl0MOUJ1sI/AAAAAAAAMsk/cx8ABPiOZ-U/s1600/adric%2B2.jpg)
Title: Re: Prog 2085
Post by: norton canes on 15 June, 2018, 09:56:22 am
Oh yeah, forgot to mention those. The one of Tegan is especially wonderful.
Title: Re: Prog 2085
Post by: sheridan on 15 June, 2018, 12:42:39 pm
Oh yeah, forgot to mention those. The one of Tegan is especially wonderful.

It actually took me a little longer than the others to get Tegan - then I remembered she was on her way to work as an air hostess - surprised at how closely the pic of her in the uniform resembled!
Title: Re: Prog 2085
Post by: norton canes on 15 June, 2018, 01:58:52 pm
She spent the whole of Peter Davison's first season in that outfit. Must have been a bit ripe by the end.
Title: Re: Prog 2085
Post by: Geoff on 15 June, 2018, 11:36:30 pm

(https://i.imgur.com/rBTwVOS.png?3)
(https://i.imgur.com/vduDhN9.png?2)

In an alternate reality, probably one where President Boone was the last president of Amerika, Tharg phoned Kendall and had him work that panel up into Cover Of The Year 2018.

So many individual panels are masterpieces in miniature, but go unappreciated because the artist prioritised storytelling over showboating. It's good to highlight moments where an artist's obviously touched on something that really resonates with him; Ancient and Malevolent are the first blocks in Kendall's custom colour palette.[1]

Kek-W haps psertainly pstruck upon a psuitably dipstinctive psignature pstyle of pspeech for psi characterps, although the temptation to overdo it ips obvioupsly irrepsipstible.

Pspeaking of alternate realities, I can see why two lefties couldn't pass up the opportunity to depict Melania bludgeoning Trump to death in the Kremlin, but if we're to understand Deadworld as a mirror universe of Dredd Alpha, wouldn't it have been more interesting to have Clinton[2] win the election (rather than the popular vote)?

Booth/Boone as Trump and the 2016 (or 2020) election already don't quite fit into the timeline, but throwing Kazan and the Apocalypse War (2104) onto the bonfire really emphasises Nigel's not playing a Long game. Nobody's meticulously planned out how this is all going to fit into an alternate history of MC1[3], like Alan Moore with his roll of butcher paper or Jon Osterman with his watch parts.


[1] Speaking of colour, alluding to Ezquerra's colour aesthetic (https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/britishcomics/images/4/41/Sisters_of_Death.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140919181532) for his two least lovely female character creations is a lovely touch.

[2] 'The third sister. Call her Delirium (https://i.imgur.com/5mAdGy1.png?1)'

[3] Which is fine. It's interesting to mark the distinction, though.


I sometimes find what you write about the prog more interesting than the actual prog itself...(naming no, Survival Geeks, strips in particular).

I think you must be one of those (v. few) people that actually understands David Lynch films/tv programmes...not one of the majority that pretends to...or maybe everyone's pretending...especially Lynch


Dark chocolate Digestive, obviously. 
Title: Re: Prog 2085
Post by: Frank on 16 June, 2018, 09:57:06 am
Dark chocolate Digestive, obviously.

The only acceptable answer.


Title: Re: Prog 2085
Post by: wedgeski on 16 June, 2018, 10:13:49 am
Dark chocolate Digestive, obviously.

The only acceptable answer.
Except for those of us who are allergic to chocolate!
Title: Re: Prog 2085
Post by: Mardroid on 16 June, 2018, 10:40:37 pm
Dark chocolate Digestive, obviously.

The only acceptable answer.

I really like milk chocolate bars, but there's something about plain chocolate on a digestive (or even biscuits in general) that just works!

Prog: All pretty good, but think Durham Red and Deadwood were the highlights, although I'm a little lost with the latter. Best read as a collection, I think. Or I'm just getting old.
Title: Re: Prog 2085
Post by: Frank on 16 June, 2018, 10:51:48 pm
Durham Red and Deadwood

(https://i.imgur.com/6Z2Z7lw.png?1)
Title: Re: Prog 2085
Post by: Geoff on 16 June, 2018, 11:07:35 pm
But I thought Durham Red was officially not sexy anymore...?
Title: Re: Prog 2085
Post by: Frank on 17 June, 2018, 07:31:57 am
But I thought Durham Red was officially not sexy anymore...?

She's wearing the same outfit but with leggings.  Presto.


Title: Re: Prog 2085
Post by: Mardroid on 17 June, 2018, 05:31:53 pm
Durham Red and Deadwood

(https://i.imgur.com/6Z2Z7lw.png?1)

Agh! The phone type predictive gremlin .... thing strikes again.
Title: Re: Prog 2085
Post by: DrJomster on 06 July, 2018, 11:23:42 pm
Another strong prog!

I did like that last panel in Skip Tracer. Very nice! Especially if you zoom in full screen on an iPad (other tablets are available).

Overall though, amongst a strong crowd, Dredd and Red are proving particularly good. Very pleased with how Durham Red is panning out this time around.

Bronze goes to Survival Geeks which is a good bit of fun. But really, everything is rather good this week. Again!

#PraiseBeToTharg