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Off Topic / Re: The Political Thread
« on: 18 January, 2019, 01:39:50 pm »
The thing is, Labour can't have it both ways. When you've got a Labour MP yelling over Swinson on the news, that the Lib Dems messed up in coalition, and shouting demands at her to promise that the Lib Dems would never enter coalition again, that's not a good look. (Swinson did actually, on air, apologise, but was basically saying it'd be nice if Labour would actually follow the sequencing it promised.)

And regarding the membership, either Corbyn does what he promised, and ensures Labour is a democratic entity, or he continues to be an autocrat, and betrays one of the primary pillars on which he was elected. That I'm seeing long-term Labour voters I know quitting the party suggests he's fucking things up. And these people were far from fans of Blair. They're just sick of Corbyn doing a Theresa May ("my way or the highway"), rather than following the wishes of the members, voters and CLPs as he said he would.

What's most depressing on this is there's clearly a majority to be had for soft Brexit or possibly even no Brexit, if Corbyn would get his head out of his arse. Beyond that, there's also a ton of cooperation that could be done between various not-Tory parties (bar, obviously, UKIP), but Labour has the same "God-given right to rule" thinking that the Tories have. So there's no way they could conceive electoral pacts (even though they'd be in an extremely strong position from a demands standpoint), because everyone has the right to vote Labour (even though they won't support PR).

It's a mess. But my anger stems from the fact I hoped for better. I saw Corbyn has a beacon of light, despite the warnings of those older than I am, who remember further back into his career. I believed what he said. 90 per cent of the time I agree with his public policy. But Brexit overrides everything else; it is the most important issue of our age. Corbyn for that has been at best absent, and at worst has enabled the Tories in the cynical hope that they alone will get the blame. Labour's crashing polling with the under 30s suggests that's not going to be the case.

Announcements / Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
« on: 18 January, 2019, 01:32:09 pm »
"Issue 37 and 38 were dispatched today (18/01/2019) allow 7-14 working days for the issues to arrive"

No answer to my other two questions (regarding when the next two will arrive, and where the hell my other order is).

Announcements / Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
« on: 18 January, 2019, 10:45:42 am »
It is baffling. I just checked my account – nothing there. And it's now been 13 working days since I ordered those two other books. Pathetic, really.

Off Topic / Re: The Political Thread
« on: 18 January, 2019, 10:39:00 am »
Getting behind a second vote - I'm all for a second vote, but what's the point of being behind one when the country would just repeat the same mistake?
The problem (well, one of the problems, beyond things like hostile power interference, an alleged colossal number of 'missing' ballots from overseas, and a broken franchise) with the referendum is that it offered one deliverable option, and one vague hand-waving alternative. The way to have enacted this properly was as per the Irish referendum on abortion law: you have one option that is the status quo (remain) and one piece of legislation that will be enacted, detailing what will happen. Sure, you wouldn't get every detail in there, but leave offered none of that. Instead, remain was beaten by a coalition – everyone from swivel-eyed no-deal loons to pragmatic anti-EU but pro-SM types.

So a second referendum might 'repeat' the mistake in terms of leaving, but it would be for something that's actually deliverable (the WA, followed by the future relationship doc – although the latter of those would have to be locked down by MPs, and would likely change at least somewhat to get the support of the house).

is there really such an easy reset button?
There is no reset button. The best-case scenario from a remain person's perspective is that we stay in the EU, but that still means: probably a decade of rebuilding trust; having to deal with right-wing politicians who will scream BETRAYAL at the top of their lungs; a likely boost for UKIP in MEP seats, despite them now literally sitting with fascists in the EU parliament; the permanent loss of EU agencies; a probably permanent loss of the UK's standing within the world; ongoing problems for anyone who isn't British/doesn't pass as British.

Is a second ref winnable? If not, then calling for one is going to get you painted as anti-democratic and achieve what?
It depends what you mean by winnable. If you mean for remain, polling is now heading outside of margin-of-error territory. On demographics alone, this weekend is the flip point – where if no-one changes their original vote, the country goes remain anyway. But things are moving more quickly, primarily due to Labour leavers changing their minds. The gap still isn't anywhere as large as I'd like (60/40 would be good), but the latest polling has 56/44, and so that is winnable. But even if that didn't come to pass, we'd end up with the WA and transition – certainty at least, even if a permanently diminished country (and, almost certainly, Scotland heading towards indy 2, unless the final agreement included single market membership).

Does anyone really think any other leader of the opposition could have made any different route
Yes, because they wouldn't be driven by ideology to trample all over any attempts to remain, or even soften Brexit. Be mindful, Corbyn hasn't just ruled out remain and a second referendum multiple times, but even any kind of EEA deal (in many cases getting what the EEA entails totally wrong). He comes across like he doesn't like the EU, but also that he doesn't care; so he just doesn't understand a lot of it. He bangs on that Labour couldn't do what it wants within the EU, which means one of two possibilities:

1. He's just flat-out ignorant, given that the entire 2017 Labour manifesto is possible as an EU member
2. We haven't remotely seen what a Corbyn manifesto looks like, and he's prepping to erect a full-on siege economy scenario

The point is that right now, Corbyn holds all of the cards. What Labour does – or doesn't do – will decide this country's future. If Labour unified with the smaller parties and said "second ref" or "EEA" or whatever, there would be enough Tories to secure a majority. But instead we get vagueness about the future, with him talking about a "close relationship with the single market", which is functionally meaningless.

I can think of a couple of Leave voters on here who were mostly reasonable even if I didn't agree with their politics, but they seem suspiciously absent from the board these days and I suspect I know why.
It's probably worth noting that even in 2016, 700,000 people flipping changes the result. That's really not a big ask, purely on demographic lines. But there are quite a few regretful leavers I've seen. If the majority stuck to their guns, that wouldn't matter. You'd only need a small number to switch. (And this assumes everyone turns out.)

Off Topic / Re: The Political Thread
« on: 17 January, 2019, 08:32:31 pm »
Watch her performances at committee hearings. It's a world away from Corbyn, who's even now still making errors about the fundamental basics of the EU.

Off Topic / Re: The Political Thread
« on: 17 January, 2019, 07:53:41 pm »
a couple trying to say the Tories weren't tough enough on things like immigration
Frankly, with his bullshit on EU movement, he's no better; and while I sympathise with the crap Diane Abbott is flung through being a black woman, I have no time with her after listening to her recent xenophobic attack on EU and EFTA citizens. That neither of them (nor others in Labour's front bench) care remotely about free movement sickens me. (And that they conflate it with straight immigration, rather than noting it's a reciprocal right, is exactly the tactics used by the right of the Conservative party. Horseshoe political theory in action.)

What no one expected was for May to call a snap election and for Corbyn to become the first Labour leader in twenty years to increase Labour's number of seats, to the astonishment of everyone.
Although Labour still got a kicking, but Owen Jones and others acted like Labour won. And Labour continued throughout that entire campaign to be arrogant wankers when it came to any kind of collaboration effort with anyone else, arguing the SNP and others should back Labour policy for no return, because, well, otherwise it would somehow be their fault if the Tories got back in.

So I think of the promise and potential and hope from when Corbyn was elected, and compare it to now. His stance sickens me. Their idiocy surrounding FPTP angers me. (I mean, Richmond Park. Labour had no fucking chance, and the majority was 45.) And on Brexit, his utter disregard for the poorest people in society, and how his ideology is going to fuck them over, combined with his apparent thinking that 'socialism' means 'Brits only' is rooted in a place I really don't want to be.

Corbyn is a dinosaur and a disgrace. Worse, under the current political deadlock, he will be the one that ushers in a hideous flavour of Brexit – and that's what he wants.

Off Topic / Re: The Political Thread
« on: 17 January, 2019, 07:17:01 pm »
Although if you want your Irish passport and you're not already on the birth register, I'm reliably informed that you're basically fucked pre-Brexit. Nine months is the current waiting time, according to the Irish passport office person who emailed me.

Megazine / Re: Meg 404 - Crystal Trips & Alien Stare
« on: 17 January, 2019, 04:50:07 pm »
Thinking about it, if that massive mek moved at 3mph, you'd think some of them would have, you know, got out of the bloody way.

Announcements / Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
« on: 17 January, 2019, 04:38:07 pm »
the books should be dispatched tomorrow (18 Jan)
Hmm. Bets, then, whether the next lot will be dispatched on 1 Feb, as they should be, or 15 Feb, because that's four weeks after the delay?

Off Topic / Re: The Political Thread
« on: 17 January, 2019, 04:36:46 pm »
Cooper has been consistently deeply impressive with Brexit. Corbyn, meanwhile, has been shown up to be more or less incompetent at PMQs, a liar regarding Brexit, and an anti-democratic authoritarian while promising something different. Corbyn is awful. I was full of hope at the time, but that hope has all gone. Even if it wasn't for his utterly deluded Brexit stance, his appalling attitude towards other political parties that Labour could actually work with, his repeated lies and/or ignorance about the EU, his awful ideas about democratic reform that are basically entirely lacking in integrity (because it's all about Labour rather than what's best for democracy), and the way in which his frontbench claims to be about the members but ignores their wishes, he'd still be shit.

And, yeah, perhaps Cooper is too status quo, but if Corbyn is really the best Labour has to offer, we're in deep fucking trouble.

Megazine / Re: Meg 404 - Crystal Trips & Alien Stare
« on: 17 January, 2019, 04:32:41 pm »
Assuming it's not a feint, my reading of it wasn't like Amstor's: it's that the massive mek crushed the town and everyone in it. Lawson got away, because she was in the desert at the time.

Announcements / Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
« on: 16 January, 2019, 07:31:33 pm »
Has anyone on a sub received 37/38 yet, and do you have any activity on the Hachette portal for those volumes? The previous three months have been like clockwork: 12 Oct/9 Nov/7 Dec. 4 Jan should have been the next set, but… nothing.

(Excitingly, two other books I ordered from them on New Year's Day haven't shown up either. Excellent all round, as ever.)

Off Topic / Re: The Political Thread
« on: 16 January, 2019, 11:18:03 am »
We'd best hope the VONC isn't successful, frankly, given that polling suggests the best-case scenario would be no viable coalition (i.e. like now, but with fewer Tories), but the most likely end result would be a Con majority. The smartest move right now for ERG would be to vote the government down along with Labour, get a GE, wipe the floor with Corbyn and May alike, and head for the chilly embrace of hard, hard Brexit.

As for "until the possibility of a general election is ruled out", senior Labour figures today suggest we're in Groundhog Day there. They will apparently keep going for VONCs rather than moving on to "all other options", because they're authoritarian arseholes who don't give the slightest shit about the membership. Oh, to have Cooper in the leadership right now…

Megazine / Re: Meg 404 - Crystal Trips & Alien Stare
« on: 13 January, 2019, 07:59:28 pm »
Lawless: hard to know if this is a conclusion or a feint. If it's the former, it's a good way to go out; but with this, Blink and Kingdom winding up, it feels like 2000 AD comics are going to be a bit lacking in Abnett goodness, unless he's planning more strips to fill the void. (And, yeah, I know there's still Grey Area and Sin/Dex, but still.)

Announcements / Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
« on: 12 January, 2019, 04:45:36 pm »
The issue is that they can only replace not reprint, unless there has been enough of a colossal fuck-up that the latter is a necessity. They've been kind of pushed into that when it comes to some of the spines (given that the spines have been pushed as one of the big collectability aspects of these editions); however, even the endpaper screw-up recently hasn't been fixed (as far as I'm aware – they took the details of people with affected issues, but didn't send out replacements).

They are at least good with replacements for damage; although they'd be smarter to set in place systems to avoid books getting damaged in transit in the first place. (Top tip for publishers: if you run out of book-sized packages, probably order more, rather than sending two smallish books in bloody massive boxes.)

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