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That was crap, looks like a total farce and the music was like it was from a Chaplin film.

The story's okay, art is not contrasty enough which I think it should be considering the title of the story -too much grey tone. Needs more edge.

Old style Carlos would have been interesting for this, like Fiends. I'll read it again when it's over though.

Yeah, I never forgot the election, shows how apathetic the citizens are -as they are in present day democracies. I suppose when you've been beaten by a couple of wars, a police state & the prospect of a nuclear desert, you just don't give a fuck no more.

On a side note I always found it strange that you can't eat sugar or smoke fags in the meg but you can get pissed!

+++On the judges being truly facist....


What does truly fascist mean though? There are many kinds.It doesn't mean the judges are not fascist because they aren't a Nazi or Roman classical type. Remember Fargo & the president tore up the constitution early on even before the acadamies were set up. I believe that the judges are the lesser of two evils in a time of catastrophe, "heroes" is a subjective term.

They always made the laws and were never elected officials by accident or by design it doesn't matter. They also don't believe in giving up power and have always displayed cryptofascist tendencies.

Fargo has now been shown to be an authoritarian from the start and that's probably why he set up the justice system.

The tenet of "instant justice" has been there from Dredd's inception in1977, guilty/innocent without trial. If that's not fascist I don't know what is. He's generally only a hero within the limits of the law with a few exceptions that display his buried humanity, that's what makes the character interesting for me, when he's a doubting executioner a feature that has become more pronounced in recent years.

+++Well, even though my point was that Booth wasn't portrayed as being insane in 'The Cursed Earth',

There is one page of backstory in that episode that leaves a lot open so Booth wasn't portrayed as anything but the last president.  

He'd also just woken up from 30 years of slumber, he probably wasn't too capable of being anything yet.

+++one wouldn't necessarilly have to be nuts to initiate the Atomic Wars.

If killing maybe billions of people isn't nuts I don't know what is, survial has nothing to do with it.

The basic core definition of fascism is an authoritarian system of government and social organization. That describes the judges well enough for me.

+++Strangely enough though the White house surrvived the holocaudt according to McMahons Artwork , wonder will it this time?



Well the white house is in Washington DC which is located in Mega City One and was shielded from attack -DC is just below New York- so the White House would escape destruction. Washington STATE is in the northwest of the USA.



+++they only started to become truly facist after the Apocalypse War, looking forward to the civil war that follows.



They were always facists. They made the laws and destroyed the constitution. It's just that they ended up running the whole show.


+++I don't remember Booth being particularly crazed when he appeared during 'The Cursed Earth'.

You must be nuts to start an atomic war.

++Didn't Hershey explicitly say at the start that the tissue was from an organism who had lived through the past century, i.e. no extended cryofreeze and the old bloke who died in The Connection seems to have been there partly to let us know that people living to that age is not extraordinary.

No, it doesn't seem to be extraordinary for people to live such long lives in the meg at least but Fargo was frozen for 20 years so he is a bit younger. The cursed earth is a nasty place to live, I wouldn't say the mortality rate is good.

I don't think Fargo is in deep freeze now at all, the prospect of him being alive is good but will the story be brave enough to go that far?

+++Random thought about Origins:
I think that there's a real chance Fargo is still alive.


POSSIBLE SPOILERS?

I tihnk he may be alive too. I think that Fargo, when he is revived during the War and maybe "healed", eventually decides to leave the judges for whatever reason the plot dictates.

Maybe he feels out of touch with the way the world has turned out and feels guilty for attempting suicide and not being around to have maybe been the one with the power to prevent Booth from starting the war?

Because he is officially supposed to be dead in his tomb and refuses to "chicken out" and die a second time he decides to take THE LONG WALK into the cursed earth and thereby becoming the first judge to do so and establishing the tradition of the act among those who know the truth?

He may be still alive out there in the wastes, is he really Ephram the fictional twin? Since he was frozen for 20 years or so he would be younger than his actual time on earth -around 110.


...or maybe not.

+Although it would be better than any more small press dross...

Nah, it wouldn't.

Sorry, I won't speak again Scojo.

I'm just saying that side of Justice Dept isn't limited to Rennie's Dredd stories, although most of their dubious practices is directed internally - the democracy storyline for example.


The coercive/cryptofacist nature of the judges has always been present since Fargo's time as we have seen in Origins -building an independent armed force etc.- but actual full scale geopolitical agression and maybe total self interest is something Rennie has really only proposed.

It doesn't always ring through as an idea for Dredd seeing as the judges seem more like old style stioc conservatives who bully & protect their own and only fight others when provoked.

The Apocalypse war was retaliation though not preventive like Booth.

+++I like the way that Booth's acquisition of foreign enemy reserves is sadly plausible - it also seems closer to MC1's current attitude to the rest of the world than the Judges of Booth's time.

Only in Gordon Rennie Dredd.

I like the toy tanks on Booth's desk in the oval office and the allusion to "traitor" Benedict Arnold.