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Announcements / Re: Judge Dredd: The Mega Collection discussion thread
« Last post by Jade Falcon on 21 June, 2018, 02:40:57 am »
Only read part way through War on the Streets and I'm not at all happy. Not with the stories which are great but the reproduction is lousy. Too dark and a lot of text is virtually unreadable. I wonder if it's possible to get a proper replacement from Hachette.
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Film & TV / Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (2018)
« Last post by JOE SOAP on 21 June, 2018, 12:35:51 am »
But similarly they didn't go and make Fantasia 2, John Carter 2....etc.

None of those ever made any money and Disney wrote off the JC debt almost immediately. Star Wars has made way more for them than it has ever lost so the death knell of the franchise being rung in some quarters is greatly exaggerated because of the financial loss of a troubled non-sequel spin-off.

Solo was a contractual obligation for Lucasfilm since Lawrence Kasdan only agreed to sign-on to Force Awakens if he got to make Solo - after he and Lucas hatched the spin-off idea previous to the Disney buy-out. The choice of the next spin-off after Rogue One may have been different otherwise. The buzz before Solo was bad, middling or non-existent on the fan periphery, so it never really penetrated into the world of the norms.

Previously noted, as drop-offs go, The Last Jedi is not a shocker in Star Wars financial history and the fall in percentage points is slightly less than Attack of the Clones.
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Film & TV / Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (2018)
« Last post by TordelBack on 21 June, 2018, 12:16:58 am »
Last jedi did make money, but it made significantly less than they expected it to .....its drop off rate was big. People generally didnt want to see it again.

Joe Soap set out figures upthread that showed the TLJ 'drop off' in revenue  was similar to that experienced by TESB (the greatest movie ever made) and AoTC.  Should Lucasfilm have packed it in 1980, or 2002?  Should Disney walk away from a $4 billion investment?

The Solo thing seems like a scheduling and marketing failure more than anything, added to inflated costs from a crazy volume of reshoots - most of us who saw it enjoyed it a lot, despite having no real interest going into it, and I suspect more in that vein would be well received.
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Film & TV / Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (2018)
« Last post by Professor Bear on 21 June, 2018, 12:07:53 am »
Disney also didn't give theatrical releases to sequels to mega-hits like Lion King and Aladdin, and walked away from the successful Narnia movies because they didn't own them outright.  Disney are about the big picture and one flop means nothing to them in the context of Star Wars as a brand.  They probably had plans made ahead of time in case Solo flopped big time.
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Prog / Re: Prog 2086 - Bet on Red!
« Last post by Frank on 20 June, 2018, 11:40:12 pm »
Damned loses all those points for referencing Deacon-fucking-Blue. **


** Not the one from Canon Fodder

Also written by Kek-W, all the way back in 1996; Big Sister Pop obviously holds a special place in his imagination and his heart. Art by Chris Wet-Wet-Weston:

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Film & TV / Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (2018)
« Last post by SIP on 20 June, 2018, 11:21:39 pm »
But similarly they didn't go and make Fantasia 2, John Carter 2....etc.

They cut their losses and did something else.

They didn't throw good money after bad.
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Film & TV / Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (2018)
« Last post by Professor Bear on 20 June, 2018, 11:20:10 pm »
Disney have made many, many turkeys over the years, but they haven't let the miserable failures of Fantasia*, Black Cauldron, Treasure Planet or Mars Needs Moms stop them making cartoons.  More germane to the convo, they didn't let John Carter becoming the Titanic of sci-fi flops scare them off making sci-fi franchises, as they just went out and bought Star Wars lock, stock and barrel.


* A flop at the time, as WW2 broke out and prevented the film playing overseas - even success in the US wasn't enough for it to break even, though it's obviously gone into serious profit in the years since.
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Film & TV / Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (2018)
« Last post by SIP on 20 June, 2018, 11:10:16 pm »
But Kenobi is a totally nothing character...?

Don’t agree, but how much character does Blondie have in the Leone/Eastwood movies? Precious little in ‘modern’ terms. Still works.

Obi wan would be a great movie. I'd be there opening night......and at least once or twice more after that.....before I bought the blu ray.....and the t shirt.......and the hot toy......

Sigh. Lucasfilm.....take my money.
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Film & TV / Re: Han Solo: A Star Wars Story (2018)
« Last post by SIP on 20 June, 2018, 10:59:00 pm »
Just as a background to my comments on the previous page.....my full time job is to advise businesses on where they are failing and how they should proceed.....I just can't see why any business would want to pour further money into a product where all financial indicators are bad.

Last jedi did make money, but it made significantly less than they expected it to .....its drop off rate was big. People generally didnt want to see it again. A theory backed up by its subsequently poor blu ray sales. Solo is losing a lot more money I suspect than they are owning up to. The budget is stated at £250m. It was likely more. Drop off rates are bad, blu ray sales are bad. Fan opinion is desperately poor. Public perception is bad. As I previously said - why would Disney invest more money into this without seeing the box office of episode 9? It's bad business.

If it was your money, would you invest in a business where all the trends are declining? I'd put my money into Iron Man 14 or the next Avengers film. Not Star Wars.

Ps. I support Star Wars......Solo and Last Jedi each got at least £100 of my money. I'm nyot a hater.  I find the whole situation mildly depressing and I hope they save it somehow.
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