After relisting for a year on ebay I've decided not to bother ever again. Its a reluctant sale anyway. This is the last time it will be available. After that it will become an heirloom!
Description here of what is on offer.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/290816534282?ssPageName=STRK:MEUSX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1560.l2649
Serious offers IRO £900 considered. Post included.
As a collector and dealer , i pretty know what prices are right .... and to be helpful not taking the piss ...
You will be very unlikely ever to get anyway near your asking price ...
1. Mark never sold his artwork expensive , i should know i bought 4 covers directly
2. Most modern covers very rarely go over £200 -£350
3. Most of the forum member are even tighter than me ... :D
We all like to dream our artwork is worth a fortune.., but as you said it will be an Heirloom ... and not like me having to feed the kids with what i sell ....
Quote from: Fatboydale on 05 January, 2013, 08:16:14 PM
We all like to dream our artwork is worth a fortune..
So you won't mind giving me all that
America artwork for 50 beans?
Yeah the fact that you're constantly relisting says loud and clear that you're asking for way too much for it.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 05 January, 2013, 08:31:07 PM
Quote from: Fatboydale on 05 January, 2013, 08:16:14 PM
We all like to dream our artwork is worth a fortune..
So you won't mind giving me all that America artwork for 50 beans?
only if they are Magic ones ...
Fatboydale,
Thanks for the appraisal. From reading through a LOT of posts, assessing opinions both fair and dubious, the gist I got was that cover paintings go for more or less £300, but Dredd art can command double that.
Frankly, I think 2000ad art in general is greatly undervalued for the quality of work you get (on average), particularly in comparison with the wider market outside comic art. If this forum is representative the fanbase wants to keep it all strictly parochial.
And there is another issue - how much comic art is still being done traditionally? Painted art is becoming increasingly finite as artists switch to digital if they haven't already.
btw, I got this painting from Mark directly, in a trade subsidised by services rendered. That I am even contemplating selling it all is a sign of my financial difficulty because I feel I am disrespecting Mark by doing so.
I would agree with you that 2000ad art is generally undervalued. However, Dale is completely correct with the valuation. Until all 2000ad art suddenly escalates in value, then your piece won't sell for that much unfortunately.
It's a lovely piece (and one I would love to own) but for that money I could get a hell of a lot.
On a related note, I bought a piece of Harrison artwork on ebay a couple of week ago for £13. Nowhere near anything yours is, but just to show how unfortunately cheap his artwork can sell for.
Anyway, good luck with the sale!
Quote from: lusignon on 06 January, 2013, 06:02:36 PMIf this forum is representative the fanbase wants to keep it all strictly parochial.
Please expand on this point, I'm intrigued.
Big Harrison fan myself BTW, ever since
The Travellers. His
Flesh! cover last year got one of my votes for Cover of the Year.
pa·ro·chi·al [puh-roh-kee-uh l]
adjective
1. of or pertaining to a parish or parishes.
2. of or pertaining to parochial schools or the education they provide.
3. very limited or narrow in scope or outlook; provincial: parochial views; a parochial mentality
2000 AD artwork is for local people and I'll think you'll find Mr o1s1n isn't from around here! We don't want expensive artwork in this shop, do we Edmund?
Quote from: lusignon on 06 January, 2013, 06:02:36 PM
From reading through a LOT of posts, assessing opinions both fair and dubious, the gist I got was that cover paintings go for more or less £300, but Dredd art can command double that.
Just for the sake of context - I have a Mark Harrison painted cover of Venus Bluegenes that I paid £225 for. The two painted Dredd covers (Mick Austin and John Higgins) cost me £194 and £400 respectively. These things vary wildly in price but, ultimately, are only worth what people are prepared to pay for them...
I love Mick Austin's art
Dredd always sells better than most others, although not always worth it.
Old school artists sell better than most of the new school.
Decent painted work usually goes well, but only a very few artists qualify for this!
US Dredd doesn't really sell very well.............
Some artists just don't sell either..
Some good advice and words of wisdom being offered here.
Definitely! Any more wisdom? As a n00b to 'the physical appreciation of comic art' this is all very helpful.
The best advice i can give you Skullmo is get yourself a time machine, and buy all those £1,000 pages for their original asking price of £15/£20.
I know nothing about original art but there are some learned people commenting here so I would listen to them...
Having said that, selling can be a lottery and if the right buyer comes along, you might achieve closer to what you hope for. If you really want to sell at or near that price lusignon, I'd continue to list but with the "Or Best Offer" option and see what happens. Worst case scenario: it'll confirm you're way off the current market value, but you'll be able to enter a conversation with interested potential buyers and who knows where that might lead? And you've done all the hard work preparing the listing so what will it cost you to keep relisting? 40p a month or something? If it's not listed that buyer that NEEDS this piece because it was the first time they ever saw Dredd (or whatever) probably won't find it when they look...
Nice piece btw and LOL at Commando Forces!!! :lol:
Quote from: Skullmo on 07 January, 2013, 05:28:37 PM
Definitely! Any more wisdom? As a n00b to 'the physical appreciation of comic art' this is all very helpful.
Always ask people who 'know more than you' before buying if you're not sure... The people on here and CAF have guided me well - looking at you Judge Jack, Ming and fatboydale!
All the rubbish below just refers to 2000AD art and not general comic art or 'fine' art collecting; duh.
I'm fairly new to the art game (started early in 2010 and already winding down now I've ticked most of the stuff that's most important to me) but from where I'm sitting, the bottom line has already been stated: art is only really worth what it's worth to you.
I suppose that goes for selling as well as buying, although I'd find it easier to draw a line as to a price I was prepared to pay for art compared to selling it. Watching stuff on eBay over the last few years, there are pieces I've picked up for peanuts (relatively; £50 for a nice Gibson Dredd page, f'rinstance) and occasional instances where I may have paid over the odds to secure something I felt was worth it - to me. Most of the time (especially these days) I just watch stuff sail by and sell for more than I'm prepared to pay. All fine be me, to be honest - I've picked up more than my fair share of great art over the last few years.
A few suggestions, though:
Know what you like.
Focus as much as you can and stick to your guns. Art collecting is a slippery slope and it's all too easy to start off fast and haul in so-so pages just because they're available and cheap-ish. Then, unless you're made of money, a really nice - and pricier - piece comes along and you can't jump. If you favour certain characters, or artists, or periods, you'll have an easier time of it when confronted by lots of pages on eBay or elsewhere. Prioritising helps.
Take your time.
Yes, art is a finite and dwindling resource (especially 'classic' period art), prices are rising and there is a lot of competition from other collectors, BUT you'll probably be better off spending a little time (or a lot) getting to know other collectors, likely prices and how the game is played. There are various sites online selling art, plus eBay, the artists themselves and dealers, ranging from money-grubbing scalpers to Respectable Gentlemen like Dale and Wake. Ask around, state your interests and start up some conversation - much of the little I know came from naive question-and-answer sessions with established collectors, none of whom turned out to be complete dicks.
Art's great, but collecting it can be a sickeningly addictive habit you're probably better off not touching with a shitty stick. And I hate it. And I love it!
:)
Quote from: ming on 07 January, 2013, 07:16:36 PM
Focus as much as you can and stick to your guns.
And that's the hard part!
Because I'm like that (and because I'm stuck in a hotel) I was looking at the classifieds for 10 years ago. 7 page full colour Brett Ewins Dredd strip, £500.
Excuse my while I just go and cry . . .
Quote from: ming on 07 January, 2013, 07:16:36 PM
All the rubbish below just refers to 2000AD art and not general comic art or 'fine' art collecting; duh.
I'm fairly new to the art game (started early in 2010 and already winding down now I've ticked most of the stuff that's most important to me) but from where I'm sitting, the bottom line has already been stated: art is only really worth what it's worth to you.
I suppose that goes for selling as well as buying, although I'd find it easier to draw a line as to a price I was prepared to pay for art compared to selling it. Watching stuff on eBay over the last few years, there are pieces I've picked up for peanuts (relatively; £50 for a nice Gibson Dredd page, f'rinstance) and occasional instances where I may have paid over the odds to secure something I felt was worth it - to me. Most of the time (especially these days) I just watch stuff sail by and sell for more than I'm prepared to pay. All fine be me, to be honest - I've picked up more than my fair share of great art over the last few years.
A few suggestions, though:
Know what you like.
Focus as much as you can and stick to your guns. Art collecting is a slippery slope and it's all too easy to start off fast and haul in so-so pages just because they're available and cheap-ish. Then, unless you're made of money, a really nice - and pricier - piece comes along and you can't jump. If you favour certain characters, or artists, or periods, you'll have an easier time of it when confronted by lots of pages on eBay or elsewhere. Prioritising helps.
Take your time.
Yes, art is a finite and dwindling resource (especially 'classic' period art), prices are rising and there is a lot of competition from other collectors, BUT you'll probably be better off spending a little time (or a lot) getting to know other collectors, likely prices and how the game is played. There are various sites online selling art, plus eBay, the artists themselves and dealers, ranging from money-grubbing scalpers to Respectable Gentlemen like Dale and Wake. Ask around, state your interests and start up some conversation - much of the little I know came from naive question-and-answer sessions with established collectors, none of whom turned out to be complete dicks.
Art's great, but collecting it can be a sickeningly addictive habit you're probably better off not touching with a shitty stick. And I hate it. And I love it!
:)
Thank you for this - it was very interesting and captures a lot of my thoughts on it. Like when I saw the Rogue Trooper prelims, they were good and if I had bid I'm sure i could have got them at a low price, but they were not 'my thing' and I'm sure you like them a lot more than I ever would have :-)
I bought some prelims as I didn't think I would ever have the chance to get his 'proper' artwork. Still maybe never do.