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Title: Black Panther - Please add your review
Post by: matty_ae on 14 February, 2018, 09:14:56 AM
Hi guys

I saw this last night and it is really good to see a full Black cast celebrating African/Wakandan heritage. The cast is stellar and the script poses some interesting challenges about slavery, refugees and at what point you are responsible for your fellow man.

But I've got to say the second half is very formulaic with a final reel that isn't unlike Phantom Menace ("Now this is pod racing") with a Gungan like battle. And Black Panther battles another Black Panther in an identical costume (a plot last seen in Iron Man1, Iron Man2, Ant Man, Incredible Hulk)

Go see but measure your expectations - please add your reviews - happy to be talked into seeing it again.
Title: Re: Black Panther - Please add your review
Post by: Definitely Not Mister Pops on 14 February, 2018, 09:40:43 AM
I haven't seen it but I have heard it has a predominantly black cast, apart from Martin Friedman (Bilbo Baggins) and Andy Sirkis (Gollum) as the Tolkien white guys
Title: Re: Black Panther - Please add your review
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 14 February, 2018, 10:49:20 AM
Quote from: Mister Pops on 14 February, 2018, 09:40:43 AM
...apart from Martin Friedman (Bilbo Baggins) and Andy Sirkis (Gollum) as the Tolkien white guys

:lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Black Panther - Please add your review
Post by: Proudhuff on 14 February, 2018, 02:18:19 PM
Another victory in the hard left vegan Leninist cucktard sharia law SJW cultural Marxist purge of the straight white male from all creative media.  Next they'll be hunting us like dogs and we won't be safe in our own homes.
Title: Re: Black Panther - Please add your review
Post by: Satanist on 14 February, 2018, 02:32:25 PM
Quote from: Proudhuff on 14 February, 2018, 02:18:19 PM
Another victory in the hard left vegan Leninist cucktard sharia law SJW cultural Marxist purge of the straight white male from all creative media.  Next they'll be hunting us like dogs and we won't be safe in our own homes.

This is exactly what I would expect from old, white privilege. I bet you voted brexit and pine for the days when there were no Irish allowed in the pub.
Title: Re: Black Panther - Please add your review
Post by: Proudhuff on 14 February, 2018, 04:15:45 PM
They let Irish in the pubs now? oh FFS....
Title: Re: Black Panther - Please add your review
Post by: CalHab on 14 February, 2018, 04:39:00 PM
Irish Setters.
Title: Re: Black Panther - Please add your review
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 17 February, 2018, 06:43:40 PM
That was great. Looks amazing, doesn't pretend to have any glib answers to the thorny subjects it touches on, and treats us to some brilliantly staged action sequences.

(In fact, now that I think about it, one of the things the Marvel movies tend to have in common is how well put-together the action set-pieces are — it's incredibly rare to not know who everyone is, where they are and what they're doing, even in big, multi-character action sequences. I've seen plenty of big budget action films in recent where that very much isn't the case.)

Also, a whole lot of very fine looking people of colour up on that screen, plus an ugly white guy and a scrawny white guy. Brilliant.
Title: Re: Black Panther - Please add your review
Post by: TordelBack on 17 February, 2018, 07:13:33 PM
Powerful stuff,  distinctive characters, great natural humour,  almost every frame beautiful to look at, plus some well-aimed digs at Trump. I wasn't expecting Wakanda to be such a direct analogy of an isolationist US,  but it worked.

The only bits I wasn't so keen on were the two Black Panthers wailing on each other, which was very samey and prolonged,  and maybe the CGI rhinos (combined with the strong parallels with Erebor and Freeman as lone hobbit in the gang they were a bit too LotRish). Other than that, top stuff.
Title: Re: Black Panther - Please add your review
Post by: dweezil2 on 17 February, 2018, 07:32:24 PM
I really had high hopes and was full of goodwill going in, but it was overlong, exposition heavy with all those superhero tropes that are becoming frustratingly tiresome and aside from some good visuals and performances, it was all a bit dull to be honest.

Oh and seemingly par for the course for recent Marvel movies, dull villain and underwhelming climax (scrub that, superhero movies in general).

Commendable for it's representation of a criminally ignored social group , but it doesn't advance the formula of superhero movies in any way.

Bare in mind that I'm increasingly bored with superhero movies, but Marvel/Disney have me hooked, like a drug I can't seem to quit, and I'm in to the bitter end!  :lol:
Title: Re: Black Panther - Please add your review
Post by: TordelBack on 17 February, 2018, 07:46:09 PM
Quote from: dweezil2 on 17 February, 2018, 07:32:24 PM
Oh and seemingly par for the course for recent Marvel movies, dull villain and underwhelming climax (scrub that, superhero movies in general).

Gosh,  I thought Killmonger and Klaw were both great baddies - one with real grit and complex motivations,  one a very entertaining psycho. Killmonger was only dull when he was hidden behind the mask. The climactic battle wasn't the strongest point,  but the actual ending (in the mid-credits!) was great.
Title: Re: Black Panther - Please add your review
Post by: The Monarch on 18 February, 2018, 09:44:53 AM
 [spoiler]kinda wish they would stop murdering the good villians[/spoiler] other than that loved the film
Title: Re: Black Panther - Please add your review
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 18 February, 2018, 01:37:01 PM
Per an interesting conversation over on FB on the scarcity of decent villains in the MCU: who are the big/classic villains of the Marvel (comic) universe? They should definitely promote D'Onofrio's Kingpin to the big leagues and stick him in the next Spider-Man movie, but who else sits at the top of the villain league? Magneto, Doom, Galactus, various iterations of the Hellfire Club... all unavailable to Marvel. I've never been a huge Marvel fanboy, so I'm wracking my brain trying to think of obvious "heavy hitters" other than Thanos...
Title: Re: Black Panther - Please add your review
Post by: The Monarch on 18 February, 2018, 02:12:24 PM
kangs surely the next biggest not seen in a film yet
Title: Re: Black Panther - Please add your review
Post by: Pyroxian on 18 February, 2018, 02:15:00 PM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 18 February, 2018, 01:37:01 PM
Magneto, Doom, Galactus, various iterations of the Hellfire Club... all unavailable to Marvel.

Not any more, after the Fox deal.

Other than that, you've got Kang the Conqueror, the Beyonder, Graviton...

You could probably do a good Masters of Evil group as well.
Title: Re: Black Panther - Please add your review
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 18 February, 2018, 02:19:58 PM
Quote from: Pyroxian on 18 February, 2018, 02:15:00 PM
Not any more, after the Fox deal.

I haven't been following that particularly closely, but I'd be pretty damn happy if Marvel can fold the X-Men and FF back into the MCU.

Still, with reference to the complaints about lack of decent villains, it doesn't change the fact that for the previous eighteen movies, they've had a lot of their big guns unavailable due to rights issues...
Title: Re: Black Panther - Please add your review
Post by: Steve Green on 18 February, 2018, 02:46:50 PM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 18 February, 2018, 01:37:01 PM
Per an interesting conversation over on FB on the scarcity of decent villains in the MCU: who are the big/classic villains of the Marvel (comic) universe? They should definitely promote D'Onofrio's Kingpin to the big leagues and stick him in the next Spider-Man movie, but who else sits at the top of the villain league? Magneto, Doom, Galactus, various iterations of the Hellfire Club... all unavailable to Marvel. I've never been a huge Marvel fanboy, so I'm wracking my brain trying to think of obvious "heavy hitters" other than Thanos...

Bryan Singer.

Oh you mean, not with Fox?
Title: Re: Black Panther - Please add your review
Post by: TordelBack on 18 February, 2018, 05:15:23 PM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 18 February, 2018, 01:37:01 PM
I'm wracking my brain trying to think of obvious "heavy hitters" other than Thanos...

Leaving aside the obvious Return Of The Red Skull,  Modok would be my choice.  Fin Fang Foom might be sailing a bit close to the wind. Mole Man would be great (I encountered him as a Hulk villain,  but maybe he's Fantastic Four...?).

I imagine the Skrulls are coming along post-Infinity War anyway.

Hard No to the Beyonder and the Brood,  please, but I'd quite like to see Mojo.

TBH I thought the last few villains (Ego,  the Vulture, Hela) were all good value,  as were the Black Panther duo.

Title: Re: Black Panther - Please add your review
Post by: JamesC on 18 February, 2018, 06:06:24 PM
Kang the Conqueror would be good to see.

I've always wanted to see Mysterio in a Spidey film and there's loads of cinematic potential for him. I'd also like to see Puma, who would help with diversifying the MCU a bit as well as being a really interesting under used character.
Title: Re: Black Panther - Please add your review
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 19 February, 2018, 08:58:34 PM
Yes, I enjoyed this latest Marvel offering. The franchise is chugging along nicely and I'm happy to stay aboard.

Title: Re: Black Panther - Please add your review
Post by: edgeworthy on 20 February, 2018, 02:02:27 AM
Quote from: Mister Pops on 14 February, 2018, 09:40:43 AM
I haven't seen it but I have heard it has a predominantly black cast, apart from Martin Friedman (Bilbo Baggins) and Andy Sirkis (Gollum) as the Tolkien white guys
Would you believe that Andy Serkis actually made that joke in an interview!?
Title: Re: Black Panther - Please add your review
Post by: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) on 23 February, 2018, 08:23:10 PM
Just out of seeing this with my wife (only her second Marvel movie after Homecoming), my kids (keeping up the tradition- we've seen everything at the pics bar GotG2), my second-youngest stepson and his mate.
Everyone- including my wife- loved it to bits. I had a full bladder going in (late parking) and wasn't relishing the idea of 2.25 hours of crossing my legs, but it just flew. Great cast, a witty and at times thoughtful script, really nice action set pieces and nothing extraneous on screen.
We all walked out grinning and amazed that, yet again, Marvel Studios keep on getting better and more assured.
I really thought Black Panther was going to be the one to break the streak- both creatively and, in the light of Trump's America, financially. I'm really, really glad I obviously don't know squat.
SBT
Title: Re: Black Panther - Please add your review
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 04 March, 2018, 05:29:18 PM
Not very good. Even for an origin story this went on far too long, including showing us some important information and then showing it again for a bit more for dramatic effect.

There was quite a bit to like but not enough, and certainly not enough Black Panther in his costume for me. I really, really wanted to like it but Ant Man did it better...And so did Doctor Strange for that matter.

I have a mixed race family, whom I love very dearly, so race was not an issue for me, but this just seemed a bit over the top in that regard but there were some good performances. The direction of the fight scenes was poor imo. Far too close and not enough danger posed.

The most damaging aspect imo is that it was boring for long parts of the film.

Not a movie I will re-visit in the near future.
Title: Re: Black Panther - Please add your review
Post by: TordelBack on 04 March, 2018, 07:11:52 PM
Quote from: Mattofthespurs on 04 March, 2018, 05:29:18 PM
Not very good. Even for an origin story this went on far too long,

Was it really an origin story?  I appreciate that it explained BP's powers and background,  all functions of an origin story,  but T'Challa had already been Black Pantherin' quite successfully in Civil War, and thus had already taken the potion while his pop was still king - and we only saw that stuff happen here in relation to the current plot, there was only one brief bit of reused footage and no flashbacks covering it.

For me it was really more of a development story (like Spiderman: Homecoming), seeing T'Challa dealing with the new mantle of king, getting new gear,  all that. The hero-is-born stuff of an Iron Man/CaPtain America/Antman/Dr Strange didn't really feature.
Title: Re: Black Panther - Please add your review
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 04 March, 2018, 07:56:10 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 04 March, 2018, 07:11:52 PM
Quote from: Mattofthespurs on 04 March, 2018, 05:29:18 PM
Not very good. Even for an origin story this went on far too long,

Was it really an origin story?

For me it was.

Depends I suppose how much you are into the Marvel Universe films.

For me this explained, and over explained too much.
Title: Re: Black Panther - Please add your review
Post by: Jimmy Baker's Assistant on 04 March, 2018, 08:32:24 PM
Really liked it. Marvel just keep cranking out the 4/5 movies, their formula shows no signs of failing.

"Superhero fatigue" is something you think you get if you watch more than 6 minutes of Batman vs Superman, then realise isn't a thing as soon as the next offering from the House of Spidey comes swinging around.
Title: Re: Black Panther - Please add your review
Post by: IndigoPrime on 05 March, 2018, 02:20:26 PM
I saw it with Mrs IP this morning, while mini-IP was at pre-school. We both quite liked it, although my wife's initial thoughts – "It wasn't as good as the new Thor" (which we'd just seen on DVD) – rather aligned with mine.

A good chunk of the movie was at least interesting. New things to see. Delving into a different culture. Great representation for black people and women. (And an actual range of women, rather than a Black Widow-style "must be every single type of woman, because god forbid we have more than one on the team".) Many, many shades of grey regarding heritage, responsibility, and so on. But some things were a bit weird. A section in South Korea, where our hero seems not remotely bothered about collateral damage or deaths. The manner in which Wakandan technology is either impenetrable or fragile, depending on the requirements of the script at that precise moment.

The lack of surprises was a pity. After the way in which Thor kept barrelling along, it was odd to be back with an extremely formulaic movie, where almost every beat was known. [spoiler]Oh, he got fished out of the water by the mountain tribe. WHAT A SURPRISE. Fighter pilot suddenly has to shoot down all the fleeing ships. HUGE SHOCK. And so on.[/spoiler]

So a solid 3/5 from me. Good, but not great. About on a par with the slightly disappointing Guardians of the Galaxy 2, better than the deeply dull, disappointing and grey Doctor Strange, far beyond the mess of Age of Ultron, but left in the dust of the surprisingly great Spider-Man, and amusingly bonkers Ragnarok.
Title: Re: Black Panther - Please add your review
Post by: matty_ae on 05 March, 2018, 04:48:04 PM
I saw it again.
I missed the pre-credits 'story' and '90s scene'
Weirdly it played better.
I would give it a solid 4/5

Shows you that sometimes it does depend on your mood going in...!
Title: Re: Black Panther - Please add your review
Post by: Eric Plumrose on 13 March, 2018, 07:48:35 PM
Formulaic but fun. And probably the best Bond film since THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH.

Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 17 February, 2018, 06:43:40 PM
In fact, now that I think about it, one of the things the Marvel movies tend to have in common is how well put-together the action set-pieces are — it's incredibly rare to not know who everyone is, where they are and what they're doing, even in big, multi-character action sequences. I've seen plenty of big budget action films in recent where that very much isn't the case.

Sadly, my local Cineworld remains clueless when it comes to picture contrast. I very nearly walked out during the jungle rescue because it was an effort sometimes to discern just what the fuck was happening. Ditto the casino and the subsequent car chase. And the various cave-based ceremonies. Likewise the final battle on the train track. So basically anything underground or at night. Which pretty much amounted to half the fucking movie.
Title: Re: Black Panther - Please add your review
Post by: Tinmachine on 31 March, 2018, 12:34:55 AM
I liked it. The cutting back on the humour was a very good move. Loved the cast and the story was involving. I could see the point of view of Eric, but he was so unbalanced, he thought he was going to be  helping oppressed people, but had no long term vision for the future. Certainly wasn't a one dimensional character for me. If he was taken back to Wakanda as a child, his life would have turned out to be a lot different.

Soundtrack was unique to the Marvel films. Loved the scenes in South Korea. They really can take this series of films in any direction.

Ryan Coogler hasn't made a bad film yet, his next film is Wrong Answer and it looks interesting, Michael Jordan starring again, which will be their fourth collaboration.
Title: Re: Black Panther - Please add your review
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 03 April, 2018, 12:42:26 PM

Marvel Knights Animation - Black Panther. (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ry8e5ldzLDQ)