Did anyone attending Bristol get any new info on the Dredd flick?
Did Tharg spill any beans at the 2000ad panel?
Anything like when official images would be released, when a trailer can be expected or a deffo release date...
Anything... at all..?
Ooops... seemed to have posed that topic twice... can the powers that be remove the other one??
Tharg wasn't in attendance. I believe Molch-R had already said (prior to this weekend) that there wouldn't be any news.
Apart from a few bits and pieces of the effects of the 95 movie etc, it wasn't mentioned on the panel.
I think Jock was down to attend, but he cancelled.
I spoke to somebody who said they had seen pictures of Anderson and more pictures of the uniform and that they look really good.
They commented that the uniform had a worn and weathered look to it and looked very realistic.
The complete lack of just about anything from official sources promotional or otherwise doesnt really make any sense at all and i have washed my hands of it all to the point i had completely forgotten about until now after reading this thread.
I cant recall when the film was meant to be out but it cant be that far off now and you would have thought that now would be the time to start releasing some publicity shots and create some kind of a viral campaign to promote it so that it can start to gather some interest and momentum between now and its release date.
Why no news and updates ??
There just seems to be a veil of secrecy around this film that i find quite irritating TBH.
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 17 May, 2011, 09:05:37 PM
The complete lack of just about anything from official sources promotional or otherwise doesnt really make any sense at all and i have washed my hands of it all to the point i had completely forgotten about until now after reading this thread.
Really? The film doesn't come out till late next Spring. They're still editing it. It''l be Autumn/WInter before any marketing starts.
Oh well fair enough.Another year to wait but there is a lot to be said for not knowing about something too soon as it makes for a long and agonising wait.....
That leaves 6 months or so to promote it but i am sure that other films have started their marketing campaigns a lot earlier than that
I had literally forgotten about it mostly because i have been distracted by a lot other things that are going on.I am still interested in the film but i put it out of my mind for the time being.
No real news but a certain Mr.H.Flint was very optimistic.
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 17 May, 2011, 09:43:53 PMThat leaves 6 months or so to promote it but i am sure that other films have started their marketing campaigns a lot earlier than that
Only blockbusters with tens of millions to waste on early marketing. For films of Dredd's size, you can expect a much more concentrated marketing blitz around the time of release.
Marketing for Dredd will be a wrap-round cover for the date relevant prog.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 18 May, 2011, 01:03:31 AM
Marketing for Dredd will be a wrap-round cover for the date relevant prog.
Come now, surely a badly animated TV spot on Dave Gold at 3am Sunday night a month after general release would be the more traditional approach?
Yes!
We all agreed the Stallone movie was crap.
Quote from: Buddy on 17 May, 2011, 05:43:57 PM
Did Tharg spill any beans at the 2000ad panel?
No beans spilt or alcohol either.
No fault of the PR Droid but the panel was a waste of a room.
I find the lack of information disturbing....
I'm starting to get the impression that the powers that be think it's a bit of a turkey and are keeping a low profile so as not to draw attention to it.
I hope I'm wrong but that's the vibe I'm getting.
I know Jock has sung it's praises and everyone involved has said just wait and you'll see how great it'll be but they all worked on the project... of course they're gonna say that.
I need an independent opinion.
No news is NOT good news in this case.
Why not release a pic of Anderson... what possible harm could it do?
Certainly no more than the Lawmaster & Toyota pick up trucks pics, in fact a good publicity shot could only do the film good.
I'm beginning to think there aren't any good publicity shots.
hey all,
there's a totally legitimate reason why nothing more has been seen yet, and it's nothing to do with speculating this or that or the other. it's logistical and simply a matter of time. thanks for your patience...
QuoteI'm starting to get the impression that the powers that be think it's a bit of a turkey and are keeping a low profile so as not to draw attention to it.
Nah, I doubt that very much. I very much believe that the enthusiasm shown by John Wagner, Jock and Urban himself is sincere. John Wagner is a man of integrity - if he was genuinely displeased with the production, then I have no doubt that he would remain silent on the matter rather than giving it a glowing appraisal.
QuoteWhy not release a pic of Anderson... what possible harm could it do?
Certainly no more than the Lawmaster & Toyota pick up trucks pics, in fact a good publicity shot could only do the film good.
I'm beginning to think there aren't any good publicity shots.
I may be wrong, but I get the impression that the big cheeses got very pissed off about the leaks so far (the script, the unflattering set spyshots), and have clamped down a lot since filming ended. From their point of view they are trying to protect their substantial investment. Again, I'm speculating, but I have got the impression that DNA and the people actually making the film are very keen to get material out there, but have been instructed not to do so
yet by the movie's backers. The mysteruious Kapow! panel cancellation would seem to back this up.
Remember that there's a year to go before release and as others have said Dredd isn't likely to have the benefit of a massive advance publicity campaign - comparing it to a similar production - how much buzz was there about District 9 at this point in that films production? I don't think I was even aware of that film until it was about to be released.
There's more conspiracy theories linked to this film than in the whole boxset of the X files. Thanks to Jock for shedding some light on it though.
Nice one Jock! Hopefully sanity can now be restored to the board!
Well partial sanity at any rate :lol:
Quote from: jock on 18 May, 2011, 11:56:20 AM
hey all,
there's a totally legitimate reason why nothing more has been seen yet, and it's nothing to do with speculating this or that or the other. it's logistical and simply a matter of time. thanks for your patience...
Fair 'nuff Jock.... now... just tell us exactly what is the totally legitimate reason nothing more has been seen yet.....
Quote from: dweezil2 on 18 May, 2011, 05:33:01 PM
Well partial sanity at any rate :lol:
Spoken too soon :/
Quote from: Buddy on 18 May, 2011, 05:41:54 PM
Quote from: jock on 18 May, 2011, 11:56:20 AM
hey all,
there's a totally legitimate reason why nothing more has been seen yet, and it's nothing to do with speculating this or that or the other. it's logistical and simply a matter of time. thanks for your patience...
Fair 'nuff Jock.... now... just tell us exactly what is the totally legitimate reason nothing more has been seen yet.....
If I had to guess, it is because releasing pictures of Anderson would be A Big Deal and get some solid press. As I'd assume they haven't got skips full of cash to spend on advertising they are keeping their powder dry until closer to the time of the film's release so they can use precision-targeted PR to help build and then maintain momentum in the lead-up to the films release. You drop the Anderson picture too early and you get a spike in publicity but with nothing to back it up with the interest just fades and people get distracted by some other shiny film bauble. I can't think of many films that start their publicity a year early - most of the images from, for example, Captain America and X-Men: First Class were also snatched in public places and the PR machine didn't start rolling until a long time after that.
As I've said before, I suspect some of the sneaked pictures from the Dredd set were disappointing because there is a lot of post-production required - it is just cheaper these days to do it digitally than build a lot of props and sets. Adding all that takes time too.
Would rather see the film when the post effects are looking competent.
See early Green Lantern reactions for what happens when you show a film when the effects are primitive.
Quote from: Buddy on 18 May, 2011, 05:41:54 PM
Quote from: jock on 18 May, 2011, 11:56:20 AM
hey all,
there's a totally legitimate reason why nothing more has been seen yet, and it's nothing to do with speculating this or that or the other. it's logistical and simply a matter of time. thanks for your patience...
Fair 'nuff Jock.... now... just tell us exactly what is the totally legitimate reason nothing more has been seen yet.....
Seriously why should a private film company tell us anything yet until it's ready? There is absolutely nothing abnormal with there not being any news/pictures at this time, IT WON'T BE OUT FOR A YEAR! We aren't working for them, they don't owe us anything, we are the same as any punters. Releasing anything now is obviously not part of the intended schedule which is not only designed around impatient fanboys.
Quote from: Emperor on 18 May, 2011, 06:55:31 PMAs I've said before, I suspect some of the sneaked pictures from the Dredd set were disappointing because there is a lot of post-production required - it is just cheaper these days to do it digitally than build a lot of props and sets. Adding all that takes time too.
or simply the fact that the pictures had nothing to with cinematography or craft, like a restaurant advertising their courses with uncooked food.
perhaps people are just after something simple like a test shot of the costumes like the sort of thing they'll put in the making of...book
What's wrong with waiting, like we used to?
We'll be sick of it this time next year.
your talking to the bloke who bought every tie-in novel /comic etc ,i'm naturally impatient :D
Personally I couldn't give a stuff that we've seen bugger all.
It's not out till next year so id rather see some pics and a trailer a few months before it's release.
Well I think you may be onto something there a la turkey, let's hope it gets an actual screening and is not put straight to DVD!!!!! >:( >:(
QuoteSeriously why should a private film company tell us anything yet until it's ready? There is absolutely nothing abnormal with there not being any news/pictures at this time, IT WON'T BE OUT FOR A YEAR! We aren't working for them, they don't owe us anything, we are the same as any punters. Releasing anything now is obviously not part of the intended schedule which is not only designed around impatient fanboys.
Playing devil's advocate, you could argue the opposite. What's 2000AD's readership? Taking a wild guess, let's say 20,000 people read 2000AD each week, and let's say 10,000 of them buy the Judge Dredd Megazine. That's 20,000 potential people paying to see 'Dredd' when its released. If a percentage of the fans - the readers of 20000AD - feel DNA and others aren't bothering to release
anything then it can give the impression, rightly or wrongly, they (DNA) are not interested in what fans think. If fans feel shortchanged by a lack of publicity/promotion, you think people that have no interest in Judge Dredd will care about the film? I doubt it.
Releasing one or two official stills - not some blurred photocamera image - wouldn't harm the production, even if it the film is a year from release. Jock can say
Quoteit's logistical and simply a matter of time.
but one or two stills from a film uploaded onto the net would hardly take time. Proper photos, I mean. It's easy to screencapture a scene from the film, from the edited rushes, and upload the image onto the net. One decent image of Urban as Judge Dredd, a proper image with decent lighting, decent resolution, could promote the film far better than a "let's stay totally silent" approach from DNA.
In fact, it wouldn't take much time for DNA to register on this forum and do a Question and Answer session. Fans could put forward some questions and one of the DNA producers could answer. This wouldn't take 'time' or be a logistical problem, other than the producer spending half an hour reading the questions and getting someone to type up his replies and post them on the forum. As the film is in post production it should be no problem for the producers to talk about the film, the potential release date, the design of the uniform etc.
It wouldn't harm 'Dredd's chances of success if DNA did one Q&A session with the fans. This wouldn't take long to do and I'm sure DNA's producers could spare half an hour of their busy schedule to do it. If DNA want to distance 'Dredd' from the fans it will not help the film's chances of box office success.
The promotion of this film really should involve creating a website along the lines of what was done with District 9 as its a very effective way of generating interest especially if it doesnt give much away [keep them guessing and they will always come back for more] as its a good way of getting the interest of non-fans plus the fact the internet is just about the most effective way of promoting anything as it guarantees massive coverage for very little outlay as all you have are the costs of creating the website and the cost of web hosting etc.
Perhaps this idea is what is being considered already but i am not to know so its a suggestion anyways.
Quote from: scanner on 18 May, 2011, 11:23:15 PMPlaying devil's advocate, you could argue the opposite. What's 2000AD's readership? Taking a wild guess, let's say 20,000 people read 2000AD each week, and let's say 10,000 of them buy the Judge Dredd Megazine. That's 20,000 potential people paying to see 'Dredd' when its released.
Which is a tiny fraction of a percentage of the expected film-going audience.
Quotebut one or two stills from a film uploaded onto the net would hardly take time.
plenty of time in a year to do that, what's the rush?
Quote from: scanner on 18 May, 2011, 11:23:15 PM
QuoteSeriously why should a private film company tell us anything yet until it's ready? There is absolutely nothing abnormal with there not being any news/pictures at this time, IT WON'T BE OUT FOR A YEAR! We aren't working for them, they don't owe us anything, we are the same as any punters. Releasing anything now is obviously not part of the intended schedule which is not only designed around impatient fanboys.
Playing devil's advocate, you could argue the opposite. What's 2000AD's readership? Taking a wild guess, let's say 20,000 people read 2000AD each week, and let's say 10,000 of them buy the Judge Dredd Megazine. That's 20,000 potential people paying to see 'Dredd' when its released. If a percentage of the fans - the readers of 20000AD - feel DNA and others aren't bothering to release anything then it can give the impression, rightly or wrongly, they (DNA) are not interested in what fans think. If fans feel shortchanged by a lack of publicity/promotion, you think people that have no interest in Judge Dredd will care about the film? I doubt it.
Releasing one or two official stills - not some blurred photocamera image - wouldn't harm the production, even if it the film is a year from release. Jock can say
Quoteit's logistical and simply a matter of time.
but one or two stills from a film uploaded onto the net would hardly take time. Proper photos, I mean. It's easy to screencapture a scene from the film, from the edited rushes, and upload the image onto the net. One decent image of Urban as Judge Dredd, a proper image with decent lighting, decent resolution, could promote the film far better than a "let's stay totally silent" approach from DNA.
In fact, it wouldn't take much time for DNA to register on this forum and do a Question and Answer session. Fans could put forward some questions and one of the DNA producers could answer. This wouldn't take 'time' or be a logistical problem, other than the producer spending half an hour reading the questions and getting someone to type up his replies and post them on the forum. As the film is in post production it should be no problem for the producers to talk about the film, the potential release date, the design of the uniform etc.
It wouldn't harm 'Dredd's chances of success if DNA did one Q&A session with the fans. This wouldn't take long to do and I'm sure DNA's producers could spare half an hour of their busy schedule to do it. If DNA want to distance 'Dredd' from the fans it will not help the film's chances of box office success.
And most likely all the things you suggest here will indeed happen but not a year before it's released!
Nobody's distancing anyone from anything. DNA is most likely anticipating a giant portion of box office returns will be from Dredd fans (or at least people familiar with the title) so it's not really in their interest to piss the fans off. Practically everything that's leaked has been nailed to the wall so it's to DNA's (and ours!) advantage that they wait til the movie's finished. They may not even have a marketing strategy in place yet. Everyone's just being impatient. No movie releases stuff this early in the process, not even the summer blockbusters.
Look at X-Men: First Class and the absolute disaster they had with their initial marketing campaign. Lame trailers and dreadful posters. Laughing stock until they fixed it all up. That's a 20th Century Fox summer tentpole movie and we saw nothing clear from it until two, maybe three months ago. Dredd's been made for a fraction of that budget and you can be certain it'll have far less for marketing. When they do, they'll need to give everyone a short, sharp shock so there's no point complaining here about it. It's going to be a
while before we see anything, I would think.
Everyone just needs to take a chill pill...
No need to report scanner, he is already banned.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 18 May, 2011, 08:47:14 PM
What's wrong with waiting, like we used to?
We'll be sick of it this time next year.
Indeed. Back in the day at this point we might not even know there was a Dredd film in the works unless we followed movie magazines and we'd be happy to wait until the publicity starts rolling. Now with the Internet we are able to access the smallest bit of gossip and, worse, as fans some people seem to feel the movie folks owe them glimpses behind the curtain, when they are going to do what is best for the film to try and maximise the number of people who see the film (which will be ultimately good for 2000 AD and that'll be good for us fans too). I'm not sure why people feel the movie studios should respond to their demands.
QuoteI'm not sure why people feel the movie studios should respond to their demands.
It's that good old internet sense of entitlement!
It's the same thing that allows people to explain just what George Lucas is doing wrong with a property he owns.
Quote from: Emperor on 19 May, 2011, 12:23:44 PM
No need to report scanner, he is already banned.
Where's my fiver?
Cheers!
Jim
Strange to think that next year , at the time of Hi-Ex , it'll all be over (assuming it's a Christmas release) and the DVD will be coming out.
Quote(assuming it's a Christmas release)
It's not coming out until Spring 2012.
Quote from: radiator on 19 May, 2011, 01:34:17 PM
Quote(assuming it's a Christmas release)
It's not coming out until Spring 2012.
So if Hi-Ex could secure some sort of exclusive pre-release preview, how arsom would that be?
Quote from: radiator on 19 May, 2011, 01:34:17 PM
Quote(assuming it's a Christmas release)
It's not coming out until Spring 2012.
Wow... over a year in post production. This film should look spectacular.
If John Wagner and Jock say it's promising, that's good enough for me. It seems a bit unfair to criticise a low-budget film for not doing PR before it's even finished.
Calm down, chaps.
- Trout
QuoteWow... over a year in post production. This film should look spectacular.
I'm no expert, but that sounds about normal to me for this sort of film - I always thought the 'Dec 1st 2011' date on IMDB seemed optimistic.
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 19 May, 2011, 12:47:42 PM
Quote from: Emperor on 19 May, 2011, 12:23:44 PM
No need to report scanner, he is already banned.
Where's my fiver?
It's now Molch-R's fiver, as he beat you to it by hours. He has pockets you can't pick without a stepladder too.
Also if we give out fivers every time Scojo appears, Rebellion would go bust in a month.
is that the quickest turnaround of a scojo?
Is there a Dredd movie being made?
Quote from: mogzilla on 19 May, 2011, 08:18:22 PM
is that the quickest turnaround of a scojo?
No, Jim has managed to get it down to minutes. He was clearly slacking earlier.
I was half way through my reply when the little warning bell rang in my head. I'll take that fiver in unmarked 5p pieces, thanks.
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 19 May, 2011, 12:25:44 PM
QuoteI'm not sure why people feel the movie studios should respond to their demands.
It's that good old internet sense of entitlement!
It's the same thing that allows people to explain just what George Lucas is doing wrong with a property he owns.
Not really the same thing at all, I think it's good and fair to criticise a film
after it's released, in the case of Lucas it was a learning experience on how
not to make a film which benefitted many, him owning the right to make it his way means little by then. Demanding to know as if it's your right how a film is being made and to see material while it's happening is just childish.
I hope that's a joke about Scanner being banned, that was a great post (welcome to the forum by the way).
A lot of posts seem to be missing the point.Judge Dredd is driven by the fans, they have kept him going over 30 years now and long may he continue.Without the fans there would be no 2000ad, no Megazine.... NO movie.There may be only 20 or 30 thousand readers now but over 30 years plus there must be over 300,000 who have dipped into the delights of 2000ad over the years at least,(for a long period 2000ad had 100,000 readers of the weekly).Basic maths will tell you that if a good percentage is interested (which I'm sure they will be) and they take a friend/friends or spouses to see it then you have a substancial audience.Especially as fans tend to make multiple viewings (I know I will, whether it's good or bad in the hope they will make another )
DNA SHOULD do a Q&A on here and other sites to generate interest (which would do nothing to subtract from the film).A few stills would do no harm either ,especially when specifically launched on sites devoted to fans like this ..hint hint ;).Scanner did not say that should include straight away ,the best stills like Anderson or Dredd in action but snippets to steadily grow anticipation.To completely neglect fans as they have so far ,to date, is plain dumb dumb dumb
PS Buddy love your posts but please change your pic it's horrible :o
'Scanner' is yet another alias of the perennial troll beneath our metaphorical bridge. He has been banned from this forum for a very long time.
Quote from: Molch-R on 19 May, 2011, 11:57:18 PM
'Scanner' is yet another alias of the perennial troll beneath our metaphorical bridge. He has been banned from this forum for a very long time.
I know I am relatively new on here , but am I missing something... :-*I did not see anything wrong with his argument -how on earth did you know it was him as it was a first post?
I suspect it had something to do with IP addresses and whatnot. I'm just going to adjust me tinfoil hat, just in case there are more sinister forces at work
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 20 May, 2011, 12:25:02 AM
Quote from: Molch-R on 19 May, 2011, 11:57:18 PM
'Scanner' is yet another alias of the perennial troll beneath our metaphorical bridge. He has been banned from this forum for a very long time.
I know I am relatively new on here , but am I missing something... :-*I did not see anything wrong with his argument -how on earth did you know it was him as it was a first post?
After being a poster on this forum for a decade now and after numerous Scojo incursions, you can generally spot him from a mile off. A quick check of his IP address confirmed it.
I know I am relatively new on here , but am I missing something... :-*I did not see anything wrong with his argument -how on earth did you know it was him as it was a first post?
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After being a poster on this forum for a decade now and after numerous Scojo incursions, you can generally spot him from a mile off. A quick check of his IP address confirmed it.
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I see...it's the Titan trip for him then.Just out of interest have the film options been taken up for Nikolai Dante and Strontium Dog been taken up by anybody as I'm just about to check my lottery numbers... :D
I must say, even for me it's fading rapidly from my memory.. That was until I A: opened a removal box the other day and found my souvenir, and B: put on a fresh shirt this morning with a massive Dredd logo in it..
I must admit though, even for the Transformer movies they seem pretty okay with stuff leaking out from a ridiculously early stage.. There's no such thing as bad publicity.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 24 May, 2011, 03:09:26 PM
I must say, even for me it's fading rapidly from my memory.. That was until I A: opened a removal box the other day and found my souvenir, and B: put on a fresh shirt this morning with a massive Dredd logo in it..
I must admit though, even for the Transformer movies they seem pretty okay with stuff leaking out from a ridiculously early stage.. There's no such thing as bad publicity.
any chance of a pic?
I was sat in the local cinema last night and a tingle of awareness and anticipation passed through me that before long I'd be watching a trailer for the new Dredd film!
Happy days! :D
Michael, as an industry 'insider' ,what sort of box office take would it need to prompt/guarantee or near to, a sequel -double or triple the cost to make the first or more.Your thoughts please...
Three to four times original budget.
Quote from: mogzilla on 24 May, 2011, 07:10:53 PM
Quote from: Michaelvk on 24 May, 2011, 03:09:26 PM
I must say, even for me it's fading rapidly from my memory.. That was until I A: opened a removal box the other day and found my souvenir, and B: put on a fresh shirt this morning with a massive Dredd logo in it..
I must admit though, even for the Transformer movies they seem pretty okay with stuff leaking out from a ridiculously early stage.. There's no such thing as bad publicity.
any chance of a pic?
Been there, done that, got my walking papers..
I'd agree with Joe.. Effectively as much money as they can get their grubby paws on..
what they even ban you from showing the logo? does that mean you cant wear the shirt in public ...surely not! :o
Jeez, I've been busy in recent months with work, impending marriage and a baby and when I come back the DREDD publicity machine is all but ground to a halt. Even if it didn't start. I think the fans made a great contribution to getting DREDD noticed, otherwise no one would have a clue about the movie.
I know they want to keep things under wraps, but this quiet???
I have every confidence we get a cracker of a movie, but the PR campaign is a huge letdown.
I think Matt Smith should have kept quiet about the Anderson pictures as I believed that we'd get to see them. It was a huge anti-climax for me and many others on the forum. :|
It served no one and all it did was fuel more hype and eventual disappointment.
Hope the DREDD campaign starts soon.
As has all ready been mentioned in this thread, it's not out till next year. Dredd is a lesser known character, an image or two won't really create a huge buzz like Batman which is a vehicle that practically markets itself with little effort. One image transmits to 1000's of sites within a day. Dredd needs a concentrated campaign.
Quote from: mogzilla on 24 May, 2011, 10:29:04 PM
what they even ban you from showing the logo? does that mean you cant wear the shirt in public ...surely not! :o
The shirts are a different story, as other than the logo, there's nothing on it that has anything to do about the movie.. That and the crew would revolt if they didn't get their freebies..