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Author Topic: Prog 2043 - Signs of the Times  (Read 1502 times)

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Re: Prog 2043 - Signs of the Times
« Reply #45 on: 12 August, 2017, 07:56:14 pm »
Great cover by Lynch and as the banner title is unreadable, it's a good time to ditch it.

I did wonder however, why does Dredd keep a big red dildo on his handle bars?  ;)

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Re: Prog 2043 - Signs of the Times
« Reply #46 on: 12 August, 2017, 08:49:34 pm »
The comic doesn't have a future if it doesn't attract new readers. Where do you think they're going to come from?

I didn't say the comic isn't or shouldn't try to attract new readers. I said ten year olds stopped buying comics thirty years ago. *

Readership of 2000ad has fallen precipitously for the last thirty years**. It only exists today at the indulgence of a sincere and enthusiastic individual, who seems dedicated to maximising the potential audience through expansion into other territories and media.

None of these areas of expansion - the R rated 2012 film, IDW Dredd, Rebellion's US mini-series, the Rogue Trooper game, the proposed TV show - seem targeted towards juvenile audiences. You could conclude that Tharg just hates kids, or you could surmise that he knows to whom 2000ad IPs appeal.***


* If anyone wishes to argue that ten year olds would buy an adventure comic if only someone published such a title, I have no more factual basis for refuting that assertion than there is evidence to support that assertion.

** 100,000 in 1990, 50,000 in 1995, 25,000 in 2000, 15,000 in 2013: http://tinyurl.com/yd49dr6n

*** Although the latest Thrillcast suggests the Scream/Misty Hallowe'en special hopes to attract younger readers as well as nostalgic adults.

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Re: Prog 2043 - Signs of the Times
« Reply #47 on: 12 August, 2017, 08:58:02 pm »
I'd presume that the EVIL POWERS THAT BE can easily dodge/fake or buy out the relevant parties?

Arrange to have no autopsy/mortician just so that Blake gets to have J*mm* S*v*ll* burnt alive?  Why would they bother? It's not like he was following orders, what's the motivation for them? Just kill him.   

I have no doubt it could be done, but in a story about assassins and cover-ups, where we've had to endure seeing a Saville proxy in the prog, might it not be nice to address this sort of thing rather than just chuck out a throwaway setup for some nasty wish-fulfilment vengeance? 

But frankly nothing that appears is going to please me about this strip other than 'THE END'. 


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Re: Prog 2043 - Signs of the Times
« Reply #48 on: 12 August, 2017, 09:11:55 pm »

* If anyone wishes to argue that ten year olds would buy an adventure comic if only someone published such a title, I have no more factual basis for refuting that assertion than there is evidence to support that assertion.

WH Smith took 10,000 copies of the first issue of STRIP when it re-launched for the high street with Volume 2. I don't have numbers for subs, dedicated comic stores, and smaller high street distributors, but I'd be surprised if the total print run wasn't around the 15K mark… and that was a title with no advertising budget and no brand recognition.

Everyone involved knew what needed to happen from there: the comic needed to come out with metronomic regularity, and everyone went the extra mile to make sure that happened. Everyone except the publisher.

Seven issues were delivered on time, on spec, thanks to a lot of people doing a lot of extra work for little or no money. We believed it would work… but sadly, we'll never know, thanks to the towering incompetence of one man (assisted by the more mundane incompetence of another, supposedly drafted in to help with the first).

If I had a million quid, I'd give it a go myself. :-/
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Re: Prog 2043 - Signs of the Times
« Reply #49 on: 13 August, 2017, 04:03:04 pm »
The comic doesn't have a future if it doesn't attract new readers. Where do you think they're going to come from?

As Frank says, new readers are the important bit. That doesn't necessarily mean 2000AD has to aim itself at 12 year olds again.
I'd argue that there are more adults who used to read comics than there are kids who are open to reading comics these days.
Potentially a bigger audience if that market can be tapped into?

That said, I appreciate that if no kids are reading comics, the chances of said kids reading comics as adults is... limited.

Not really sure what my point is, now I think about it...  :-\

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Re: Prog 2043 - Signs of the Times
« Reply #50 on: 13 August, 2017, 04:04:14 pm »
Great cover by Lynch and as the banner title is unreadable, it's a good time to ditch it.

Must say, I've grown to love the banner. I vote to keep it!

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Re: Prog 2043 - Signs of the Times
« Reply #51 on: 13 August, 2017, 06:26:19 pm »
I'd argue that there are more adults who used to read comics than there are kids who are open to reading comics these days

100,000 of whom used to read the Galaxy's Greatest every week.*

That said, I appreciate that if no kids are reading comics, the chances of said kids reading comics as adults is... limited

I'm not sure one comic can transform the fortunes of a medium**. Kids didn't suddenly stop buying comics in 1991 because they were crap - John Wagner makes the point that readership has been in an irreversible decline ever since he joined the industry, in the late sixties. ***

You don't need new customers entering the market to increase market share, though.

The latest Rajar figures show Radio Four has increased its audience by around half a million, but Da Yoot haven't started listening to John Humphrys on the school bus. Middle aged listeners, radicalised by Facebook and Brexit, have swapped Chris Evans and GMTV for Today.


* ... and the 100,000 who were reading when The Horned God took its bow weren't the same 100,000 who read the debut of the Angel gang.

** The same downward trend hit US comic companies over the same interval, and continues today. Early issues of rebooted titles still sell well, but the average Marvel or DC comic reaches a similar proportion of the US population as 2000ad does in the UK. And that's with $300 million adverts for their products hitting screens every six months.

*** The reasons for said decline are numerous, but telly, home video, and then games seem the most likely thieves of pocket money and time.