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Title: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: Judge Cassidy on 09 February, 2011, 08:41:17 PM
The helmet is the only bit that looks right, though Urban's could do with being a size or two smaller.

The bike is more '60s Batcycle than Lawmaster, and that uniform is just crap. Seriously, at least the Stallone uniforms and bikes LOOKED right. Bad plot, and Rob Schneider was annoying, but at least it LOOKED right. I'm taking back a lot of things I said about that film, and needless to say all my hopes for the new movie are circling the drain at this point.
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: Richmond Clements on 09 February, 2011, 08:44:43 PM
QuoteSeriously, at least the Stallone uniforms and bikes LOOKED right.

(http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/d/dreddss.jpg)

Really?
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: strontium71 on 09 February, 2011, 08:46:27 PM
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Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: Judge Cassidy on 09 February, 2011, 08:47:48 PM
Yes, really. Look, it's got the trademark giant shoulderpads! Look, it's got the big chain going from the zipper to the badge! Key elements, ladies and gents...and the Stallone bikes sh*t on the new ones from a great height, even with the flying mode malarkey
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: strontium71 on 09 February, 2011, 08:49:12 PM
Richmond , that scream picture was aimed at the first comment but you beat me to second post and it now works in response to that awful picture  :lol:
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: Misanthrope on 09 February, 2011, 08:51:04 PM
Go go power rangers!
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: Misanthrope on 09 February, 2011, 09:01:38 PM
Quote from: Judge Cassidy on 09 February, 2011, 08:47:48 PM
Yes, really. Look, it's got the trademark giant shoulderpads!

Which he threw off at the earliest opportunity.
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: Spaceghost on 09 February, 2011, 09:02:02 PM
Yes, I agree. After seeing 2 photographs I'm ready to completely write off the entire film BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE A REASONABLE THING TO DO.

In case you can't tell, I'm being sarcastic.

Everybody is entitled to an opinion I suppose, but when you're basing your opinion on what amounts to a couple of poor quality photos, it's impossible to take you seriously.
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: Mark Taylor on 09 February, 2011, 09:02:52 PM
Gosh, not everybody has the same opinions. Well, whaddaya know. Who'da thunk it? If I'd realised that before I'd have started a thread about it too.
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: Richmond Clements on 09 February, 2011, 09:02:59 PM
(http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTgyNDUzMDI4OV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTYwMzcxMjA3._V1._SX475_SY307_.jpg)

Yeah, he just screams 'Dredd' right enough...

QuoteRichmond , that scream picture was aimed at the first comment but you beat me to second post and it now works in response to that awful picture  

Heh- I'd figured (or hoped!) as much!
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: TordelBack on 09 February, 2011, 09:08:14 PM
Don't you hate the kind of person who posts on a thread just to give out about the topic? 

That's me, that is.
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: Matt Timson on 09 February, 2011, 09:14:37 PM
Tsk...
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: JOE SOAP on 09 February, 2011, 09:21:28 PM
Quote from: Judge Cassidy on 09 February, 2011, 08:41:17 PM
I'm taking back a lot of things I said about that film...



Is that because you're shallow, fickle and can't stand by any unreasonable thing you've said before?

In that case we'll wait for your volte face when you start liking the new one before we pummel you a new dirt-pipe.
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: Dreddzilla on 09 February, 2011, 09:23:24 PM
Quote from: Judge Cassidy on 09 February, 2011, 08:41:17 PM
The helmet is the only bit that looks right, though Urban's could do with being a size or two smaller.

The bike is more '60s Batcycle than Lawmaster, and that uniform is just crap. Seriously, at least the Stallone uniforms and bikes LOOKED right. Bad plot, and Rob Schneider was annoying, but at least it LOOKED right. I'm taking back a lot of things I said about that film, and needless to say all my hopes for the new movie are circling the drain at this point.
I'll agree with you on the bike, but Stallonedredd?.....Ehh. :-\
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: radiator on 09 February, 2011, 09:55:17 PM
Could you not have just posted this in one of the existing movie threads?

Is you opinion so earth-shattering and mind-blowing that it deserves a thread all of its own?

Can someone merge this thread with the main one please.

The Stallone Dredd looks like  Dredd re-interpreted as a superhero. Urban Dredd looks like a tough biker cop. I think I know which I prefer...
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: JOE SOAP on 09 February, 2011, 09:59:25 PM
The worst thing about the Stallone uniform/Hallowe'en costume is that it made Dredd look like he had never seen a single day on the streets -all shiny plastic and black stockings- and that he began each morning shining his gold plastic eagle, shin pads, helmet and theatrical codpiece before a day of poncing around with his best girlfriend Hershey.
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: Mardroid on 09 February, 2011, 10:14:05 PM
Quote from: radiator on 09 February, 2011, 09:55:17 PM
Could you not have just posted this in one of the existing movie threads?

My (and probably many other boarder)'s thought too.

The main things important to me about this film are:
a) A good Dredd story.*
b) The helmet looks good and he keeps it on. (We've got this already.)
c) What we see of the cityscape looks good. Preferably somewhat reminiscent of the comics but that's not a big deal. A sense of bigness and a bit of futuristic stuff will do.

So far I haven't been over keen on the 'out of context' vehicles, and the body armour is a bit too bulky for my taste, but as long as we have the top points, a and b at least, I think I'll be happy. The bike... it's not the monster of the comics but it's fine with me.

*By that I don't expect a complicated plot. A good action movie and a Dredd story that wouldn't look out of place in the comics (in style and tone I mean, obviously the timeline and costumes are different).
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: Beeks on 09 February, 2011, 10:16:25 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 09 February, 2011, 09:59:25 PM
The worst thing about the Stallone uniform/Hallowe'en costume is that it made Dredd look like he had never seen a single day on the streets -all shiny plastic and black stockings- and that he began each morning shining his gold plastic eagle, shin pads, helmet and theatrical codpiece before a day of poncing around with his best girlfriend Hershey.

it's truly hideous..as a Dredd fan I wince when I see it

If I wasn't a Dredd fan I have no idea what I'd make of it..he looks like he should be mincing around a gay fancy dress party taking down young boys particulars
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: JOE SOAP on 09 February, 2011, 10:19:54 PM
Quote from: Beeks on 09 February, 2011, 10:16:25 PM

If I wasn't a Dredd fan I have no idea what I'd make of it..he looks like he should be mincing around a gay fancy dress party taking down young boys particulars


Maybe that's what the OP Judge Cassidy likes about it.
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: Buddy on 09 February, 2011, 10:33:21 PM
While the original post is clearly trying to antagonise everyone (and it would seem he has achieved this) I tend to agree that the Stallone film did look the part... The first 15 mins or so is great Dredd... the block war, the taxi flying over mega city in particular looked fantastic.

I liked the uniform, but would have liked a leather effect insted of the fabric leotard we got.. whatever the films faults, which are many, the design is not one of them.

People just gotta accept this is a different Dredd we're gettin here... I like the uniform and after being disgusted by the lawmaster I'm starting to accept that this is only a version of Dredd and I'm actually glad we got these leaked pics so early in the production.

It gives me a chance to mull them over and get an angle on what the film makers are going for... If the first time I seen that Lawmaster was while sitting in the cinema watching the film Id have probably quit then and there and condemed the film for ever after.

This guy is only looking for a reaction.... I'd suggest ignoring his coments and he'll soon get tired of posting them.
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: vzzbux on 09 February, 2011, 10:35:16 PM
Yeh it really looks like the 60's bat bike.
(http://www.cyclecranks.com/images/BatCycle.jpg)
Or is this what you are on about.
(http://www.bat-mania.co.uk/main/batgirl/images/batgirl_cycle1.jpg)
Or this
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_2kjisMm3M9Y/TC9cqYq35dI/AAAAAAAAMzI/jX0SrpxZMkI/s1600/japanese-batman-toy-batcycle-3.jpg)




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Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: I, Cosh on 09 February, 2011, 10:35:43 PM
Dear Tharg, please can you fix it for me to be able to ignore the entire "Film Discussion" sub-forum?
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: SuperSurfer on 09 February, 2011, 10:37:52 PM
Great codpiece!

Very impressive costume that is faithful to the (Lawman of the future) comic.
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: strontium71 on 09 February, 2011, 10:42:52 PM
Wow , Yvonne Craig - another of my childhood crushes . Used to love it when on the 60's Batman opening credits , she'd ride by on her bike meaning she'd be in that episode!
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: Judge Cassidy on 09 February, 2011, 10:44:08 PM
Quote from: Buddy (previusly Uncle Umpty) on 09 February, 2011, 10:33:21 PM
While the original post is clearly trying to antagonise everyone (and it would seem he has achieved this)

This guy is only looking for a reaction

Couldn't be more wrong, actually. I had the option of posting separate posts in the separate threads (bike, uniform etc) or starting my own thread which I ACTUALLY hoped would serve a double purpose of a) letting me hear from other people who don't like the new look, as I figured I can't be the only one, and b) hearing proper arguments as to why those of you who do like the new stuff actually do. Sadly, a lot of the arguments FOR the new look seem to be a pure and simple case of 'It's not the Stallone one so it's automatically better'...which to be honest is what I sort of expected. This new uniform is, IMH, even more 'radically different from the comic in a bad way' than Stallone's was, but no, that doesn't matter because HURR WE HATE THE STALLONE ONE SO ANYTHING ELSE IS GOOD REGARDLESS

::)
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: vzzbux on 09 February, 2011, 10:48:22 PM
So, The lycra suit, the cod piece, the half arsed helmet design (Which didn't stay on long) and the tacked plastic gold shoulder pads were testament to Dredd?





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Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: strontium71 on 09 February, 2011, 10:50:05 PM
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Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: JOE SOAP on 09 February, 2011, 10:51:35 PM
Quote from: Judge Cassidy on 09 February, 2011, 10:44:08 PMCouldn't be more wrong, actually. I had the option of posting separate posts in the separate threads (bike, uniform etc) or starting my own thread which I ACTUALLY hoped would serve a double purpose of a) letting me hear from other people who don't like the new look, as I figured I can't be the only one, and b) hearing proper arguments as to why those of you who do like the new stuff actually do.

So you ignored the other threads with pages and pages of discussion/argument over the bike and the hundereds of pages devoted to the uniform that would answer the above?

Quote from: Judge Cassidy on 09 February, 2011, 10:44:08 PMSadly, a lot of the arguments FOR the new look seem to be a pure and simple case of 'It's not the Stallone one so it's automatically better'...which to be honest is what I sort of expected. This new uniform is, IMH, even more 'radically different from the comic in a bad way' than Stallone's was, but no, that doesn't matter because HURR WE HATE THE STALLONE ONE SO ANYTHING ELSE IS GOOD REGARDLESS


If you think any of this is true you obviously haven't even bothered looking at the established threads and you're otherwise wasting our time trolling for your own sake.


Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: Judge Cassidy on 09 February, 2011, 10:53:53 PM
The shoulder pads on the Stallone one were pretty damn good, unlike these new low profile ones. And the cod piece sort of made sense, okay so he never had one in the comic but are you telling me the Big Meg's perps have never tried to kick a Judge in the goolies? ;)

I agree, the new helmet is better than in the Stallone version, but that doesn't make up for the rest of the uniform being totally wrong
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: vzzbux on 09 February, 2011, 10:57:00 PM
It's worn underneath.
(http://www.sallis.co.uk/ambrowCart/images_products/154.jpg)




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Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: JOE SOAP on 09 February, 2011, 10:58:50 PM
Quote from: Judge Cassidy on 09 February, 2011, 10:53:53 PMI agree, the new helmet is better than in the Stallone version, but that doesn't make up for the rest of the uniform being totally wrong

The Urban Uniform is more like Ezquerra's 70's original in design and tone than Stallone's campy version, so who is more right?


(http://cdn.springboard.gorillanation.com/storage/craveonline.com/upl_images/Dredd%203.jpg)


Small shoulder pads etc. Tell me does the Stallone Power Ranger match these in look and tone:

(http://www.2000ad.org/covers/2000ad/hires/18.jpg)


(http://www.2000ad.org/functions/image.php?Comic=artwork&choice=dreddconcept2)

(http://www.2000ad.org/functions/image.php?Comic=artwork&choice=dreddconcept3)

(http://www.2000ad.org/images/strips/whitey4.gif)


Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: Definitely Not Mister Pops on 09 February, 2011, 11:09:09 PM
Here's another picture

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/39/Irish_Goat.jpg/450px-Irish_Goat.jpg)
DON'T FEED THE TROLLS
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: Beeks on 09 February, 2011, 11:10:32 PM
Quote from: vzzbux on 09 February, 2011, 10:48:22 PM
So, The lycra suit, the cod piece, the half arsed helmet design (Which didn't stay on long) and the tacked plastic gold shoulder pads were testament to Dredd?





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Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: Buddy on 09 February, 2011, 11:33:20 PM
Never bothered me that the helmet came off in the Stallone film.

You can't say the film was bad because the helmet came off and in the comic the helmet stayed on.

That's like condeming the new film because the lawmaster has skinny wheels and in the comic they are fat.

And likewise you can't say it'll be good because the helmet stays on.

He may well keepthe lid on... But the rest of it might be pish.

All we can do I'd hope it turns out good. No one can say from what we have seen so far that it'll be good or bad.
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: Buddy on 09 February, 2011, 11:53:54 PM
I also don't by the 'the uniform is like Esquerras original design...'

Apart from a smaller shoulder pad it's not at all like it.

The armour, the helmet (very much a modern take on it), the badge, the neck guard, no chain on badge... all different.

Apart from the colours and the smaller pad you can't really say it's like early designs at all... IMO.
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: Misanthrope on 10 February, 2011, 12:04:09 AM
Quote from: Buddy (previusly Uncle Umpty) on 09 February, 2011, 11:33:20 PM
Never bothered me that the helmet came off in the Stallone film.

You can't say the film was bad because the helmet came off and in the comic the helmet stayed on.

That's like condeming the new film because the lawmaster has skinny wheels and in the comic they are fat.

And likewise you can't say it'll be good because the helmet stays on.

He may well keepthe lid on... But the rest of it might be pish.

All we can do I'd hope it turns out good. No one can say from what we have seen so far that it'll be good or bad.

The helmet coming off just told the Dredd fans that the film makers couldn't actually give a shit about what Dredd was about.
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: blackmocco on 10 February, 2011, 12:19:43 AM
Quote from: Judge Cassidy on 09 February, 2011, 10:44:08 PM
Couldn't be more wrong, actually. I had the option of posting separate posts in the separate threads (bike, uniform etc) or starting my own thread which I ACTUALLY hoped would serve a double purpose of a) letting me hear from other people who don't like the new look, as I figured I can't be the only one, and b) hearing proper arguments as to why those of you who do like the new stuff actually do. Sadly, a lot of the arguments FOR the new look seem to be a pure and simple case of 'It's not the Stallone one so it's automatically better'...which to be honest is what I sort of expected. This new uniform is, IMH, even more 'radically different from the comic in a bad way' than Stallone's was, but no, that doesn't matter because HURR WE HATE THE STALLONE ONE SO ANYTHING ELSE IS GOOD REGARDLESS

I don't hate the Stallone movie by any means. I mean, it's not exactly Batman Begins but as someone else said, design-wise it's pretty faithful. Dredd's uniform was always going to be a problem translating into reality because it's more style than function.

In saying all that though, I prefer this stripped-down take on it because it instantly tells me what kind of movie I'm going to get: Fucked up and violent. Dredd's day job is pretty much summed up by the new uniform. There's barely a lick of him exposed from under body armor.

Not a huge fan of the bike, I'll concede. Seems like they went to too much trouble to make it look bad when something simpler would have been more effective. If they were going for something more down-to-earth as an approach I'd have been fine with him driving any sort of big motorcycle as long as there's a pair of giant cannons on the front but nonetheless, it's hardly going to ruin the movie for me. Would have looked fucking stupid having him drive the comic's Lawmaster around while the rest of the movie has (very!) conventional vehicles.

You hardly needed to start a new thread though. It's laughable you felt you needed to make sure other people felt the same as you about what we've seen so far seeing as both threads so far have been primarily negative and bitchy.
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: Buddy on 10 February, 2011, 01:08:35 AM
Quote from: Misanthrope on 10 February, 2011, 12:04:09 AM
Quote from: Buddy (previusly Uncle Umpty) on 09 February, 2011, 11:33:20 PM
Never bothered me that the helmet came off in the Stallone film.

You can't say the film was bad because the helmet came off and in the comic the helmet stayed on.

That's like condeming the new film because the lawmaster has skinny wheels and in the comic they are fat.

And likewise you can't say it'll be good because the helmet stays on.

He may well keepthe lid on... But the rest of it might be pish.

All we can do I'd hope it turns out good. No one can say from what we have seen so far that it'll be good or bad.

The helmet coming off just told the Dredd fans that the film makers couldn't actually give a shit about what Dredd was about.

And you think these film makers actually give a shit about the Dredd fans?

If they did they would make the Lawmaster look like the Lawmaster.

They, like every other film maker only give a shit about the amount of money they can make, don't for a second think this film is being made for fans of Dredd.

Also, I don't really think Dredd is all about keeping his helmet on.
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: DKCX on 10 February, 2011, 01:17:59 AM
Lame thread...I'm embarrassed for you.  :-[
I was ashamed when I walked out of the cinema back then, me and my brothers were all teenagers and we knew it was shite even back then. Teenagers are easily satisfied with any tripe. I remember hearing people getting pissed off as some other movie was full and Judge Dredd was the alternative. They were even more pissed off coming out.
The only argument afterward with my brothers was if there was a Manta Patrol Tank in the movie, my brother was convinced he saw one, I said I didn't see any... :lol:
Shame, it would have looked cool in the movie.
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: Misanthrope on 10 February, 2011, 01:24:33 AM
QuoteAnd you think these film makers actually give a shit about the Dredd fans?

If they did they would make the Lawmaster look like the Lawmaster.

They, like every other film maker only give a shit about the amount of money they can make, don't for a second think this film is being made for fans of Dredd.

Also, I don't really think Dredd is all about keeping his helmet on.

A lot more than the people who made the last one, THAT is for sure. Danny Cannon told the fans who complained about Dredd taking off the helmet to "Grow up."

Dredd not showing his face is now so ingrained in the strip that I don't think it would be possible to show him without the helmet.
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: Buddy on 10 February, 2011, 01:51:00 AM
Quote from: Misanthrope on 10 February, 2011, 01:24:33 AM
QuoteAnd you think these film makers actually give a shit about the Dredd fans?

If they did they would make the Lawmaster look like the Lawmaster.

They, like every other film maker only give a shit about the amount of money they can make, don't for a second think this film is being made for fans of Dredd.

Also, I don't really think Dredd is all about keeping his helmet on.

A lot more than the people who made the last one, THAT is for sure. Danny Cannon told the fans who complained about Dredd taking off the helmet to "Grow up."

Dredd not showing his face is now so ingrained in the strip that I don't think it would be possible to show him without the helmet.

I'm inclined to agree with Dany Cannon on that one... and Dredd's face has been seen many times in the comic (heres a pic of Fargo, Dredd is a clone of Fargo so Dredd looks like this....(http://www.2000adonline.com/2000ad/media/index/characters/75x75/fargo.jpg) and thats not to mention the views of Dredds actual face) so to say it's impossible it could happen is just plain wrong.

I don't think the film makers care one way or the other if Dredd Fans like this or not, they just want as many people as possible to go pay to see it.
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: COMMANDO FORCES on 10 February, 2011, 01:59:31 AM
Clones don't always look the same!
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: Buddy on 10 February, 2011, 02:37:14 AM
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 10 February, 2011, 01:59:31 AM
Clones don't always look the same!

Is it not a given that Dredd looks like Fargo?

I'm only going by what I've read on this forum about it... if I had one of the many pics of Dredds face available I'd post that... the Fargo one was the first to come up on google.

I was just pressing the point that Dredds face HAS been seen in the comic, as some people seem to think that Dredd is ALL ABOUT not showing his face.
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: COMMANDO FORCES on 10 February, 2011, 02:40:15 AM
I see, well we did see him in the Dead Man, although he was slightly sun burnt  ;)
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: Misanthrope on 10 February, 2011, 02:54:31 AM
QuoteI was just pressing the point that Dredds face HAS been seen in the comic, as some people seem to think that Dredd is ALL ABOUT not showing his face.

Dredd's face has been PARTIALLY seen in the comic. We have never seen a full unobscured view of an adult Judge Dredd.

It is not ALL ABOUT Dredd not showing his face, it is ALL ABOUT the facelessness of the law that Dredd represents. When Stallone took the helmet off he became Stallone, and the movie just shifted into the same plot as all the other Stallone movies before it.

True, movies are all about making money. What I am saying is that the makers of the new film HAVE considered the fans. Asking John Wagner to advise, and taking his advice.

Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: TordelBack on 10 February, 2011, 07:05:33 AM
Quote from: Misanthrope on 10 February, 2011, 02:54:31 AM
It is not ALL ABOUT Dredd not showing his face, it is ALL ABOUT the facelessness of the law that Dredd represents.

S'right.  The uniform represents the Law, and he is the Law (wwwhhh).  However, I don't think we'd have minded the helmetless padless Dredd that much if the film had been any good. 
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: Richmond Clements on 10 February, 2011, 07:30:10 AM
QuoteI'm inclined to agree with Dany Cannon on that one...

Really?
It's curious then, that we don't regularly see Dredd with his helmet off then, isn't it? It's almost like it's part of the character that he doesn't have a face.
Of course, there is every possibility that Cannon is correct and folks like John Wagner should just 'grow up'.
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: JOE SOAP on 10 February, 2011, 08:56:40 AM
Quote from: Buddy (previusly Uncle Umpty) on 10 February, 2011, 01:08:35 AM

And you think these film makers actually give a shit about the Dredd fans?

If they did they would make the Lawmaster look like the Lawmaster.

They, like every other film maker only give a shit about the amount of money they can make, don't for a second think this film is being made for fans of Dredd.


No they don't give a shit about fans and shouldn't need to  but if you think the people involved in the making of this film don't give a shit about Dredd ie Garland, Rebellion, Jock, designers and fabricators etc  well I think you're mistaken. I'd say it's been a struggle to get this far again with Dredd and the fact that it seems to still be as close to the source as it is, is not something that is easily dismissed as you have done. Dismissing the intention entire production because they didn't make the bike as it looks in the comic is unrealistic for a production so small.


Your last statement about every film-maker being only interested in making money is rather naive and sweeping, did Raimi, Nolan or even Aronofsky or Singer et al only make comic book films to make money? I doubt it. Films have to make money, yes, it's a necessity just like in comics or any other medium and many peripheral companies involved in the process are there for that reason but if Rebellion/DNA wanted to do that solely they certainly wouldn't be making another difficult risky film like Dredd, an all ready tainted brand.

That Captain America film looks rather on-the-money too, it's a shame they don't really care about the source.
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: radiator on 10 February, 2011, 09:14:39 AM
QuoteAnd you think these film makers actually give a shit about the Dredd fans?

If they did they would make the Lawmaster look like the Lawmaster.

They, like every other film maker only give a shit about the amount of money they can make, don't for a second think this film is being made for fans of Dredd.

Also, I don't really think Dredd is all about keeping his helmet on.

Well Alex Garland, who is writing and producing the movie is an old-school 2000ad fan and they hired John Wagner as a consultant - who has said that he was surprised during his set visit to find just how many Dredd fans are working on the movie. Obviously the overall purpose is to make money, but from the sounds of it I'd say that there is a definite desire to please the fans of the comics. They have their own reasons for tweaking the look of the world.

QuoteI'm inclined to agree with Dany Cannon on that one... and Dredd's face has been seen many times in the comic (heres a pic of Fargo, Dredd is a clone of Fargo so Dredd looks like this.... and thats not to mention the views of Dredds actual face) so to say it's impossible it could happen is just plain wrong.

That story (Dredd Angel) was drawn before the idea that Dredd was a clone of Fargo was introduced to the strip, so it's neither here nor there - the fact that we see Fargo's face doesn't mean anything.
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: dweezil2 on 10 February, 2011, 09:27:04 AM
As much as the Stallone Dredd film is a guilty pleasure of mine, the leotard "body armour" looks unlikely to stop a spud gun, let alone a bullet.
And on that level the new uniform is far more successful.
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: Beeks on 10 February, 2011, 09:33:35 AM
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 10 February, 2011, 07:30:10 AM
Of course, there is every possibility that Cannon is correct and folks like John Wagner should just 'grow up'.

:D  ;)
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: Dandontdare on 10 February, 2011, 10:35:31 AM
To answer your question, NO, I'm looking at some completely different photos.

Hurr hurr hurr....
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: Grimmyx22 on 10 February, 2011, 10:41:01 AM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 10 February, 2011, 10:35:31 AM
To answer your question, NO, I'm looking at some completely different photos.

Hurr hurr hurr....
:lol:
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: CYCLOPZ on 10 February, 2011, 01:28:10 PM
Quote from: Buddy (previusly Uncle Umpty) on 09 February, 2011, 11:53:54 PM
I also don't by the 'the uniform is like Esquerras original design...'

Apart from a smaller shoulder pad it's not at all like it.

The armour, the helmet (very much a modern take on it), the badge, the neck guard, no chain on badge... all different.

Apart from the colours and the smaller pad you can't really say it's like early designs at all... IMO.

Much closer than the Stallone version. Obviously there are differences but they have been made for real life believability.

I'm glad they went for the original Ezquerra design which is at the end of the day more practical in look than the American football shoulder pads that most artist give Dredd nowadays.
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: Grimmyx22 on 10 February, 2011, 01:41:25 PM
I think the uniform is the right way to go, not made my mind up about the lawmaster yet. But i would have loved to see the old mk1 lawgiver come out to play. I never liked the mk2 anyway, too generic. It looks a lot like the gun from 'that' movie as well. Shame.
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: Mudcrab on 10 February, 2011, 03:21:03 PM
Quote from: radiator on 10 February, 2011, 09:14:39 AM
Quote
That story (Dredd Angel) was drawn before the idea that Dredd was a clone of Fargo was introduced to the strip, so it's neither here nor there - the fact that we see Fargo's face doesn't mean anything.

Interesting point. Also, isn't that very much a Ron Smith portait of John Wagner? Looks like it could be from what I've seen of him and particularly when he was drawn by Cam Kennedy in some Xmas Dredd. Can't remember exactly when, just remember him being in it.
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: radiator on 10 February, 2011, 03:38:56 PM
QuoteI think the uniform is the right way to go, not made my mind up about the lawmaster yet. But i would have loved to see the old mk1 lawgiver come out to play.

The MkI is too puny looking - only a couple of artists could draw it so it looked cool - McMahon and Ezquerra off the top of my head. A literal take on the MkI would just look silly on screen imo.

Re: the new movie lawgiver, I think it looks pretty nifty, and it actually doesn't look a million miles away from how some artists are drawing it these days imo...

(http://www.2000adonline.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=30965.0;attach=4182;image)

(http://www.2000adreview.co.uk/reviews/2008/1601/judge-dredd.jpg)

(http://static.letsbuyit.com/filer/images/uk/products/original/62/81/judge-dredd-the-henry-flint-collection-judge-dredd.jpeg)
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: Judge Cassidy on 10 February, 2011, 06:40:44 PM
I too would have preferred to see the Mk1, much better gun...would look great beefed up for the big screen.

Seriously though, the new bike makes Street Hawk look like a Harley Davidson....
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: vzzbux on 10 February, 2011, 06:57:41 PM
Quote from: Judge Cassidy on 10 February, 2011, 06:40:44 PM

Seriously though, the new bike makes Street Hawk look like a Harley Davidson....

Are you serious?

(http://img.perthstreetbikes.com/img/6/7/2/Streethawk.jpg)





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Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: mogzilla on 10 February, 2011, 07:16:58 PM
   think back to days of yore and olde stuffe when armies dressed in bright crimson and marched slowly in long lines then imagine the radical idea of if we didnt do that and wore dusty coloured clothes we might not get shot as much.
  then think back 30 odd years ago when whilst basking in the spanish sunshine a young buck of a squirrel was designing a future cop character if hed been created now would it not be sensible to design a uniform that allowed freedom of movement and protection? with so many variations of body/riot/tactical armour out there would it not be feasible that dredd might be made to look like he does for the film?

   no,its not like the comic exactly but neither is ths comic, compare a bolland to a ewins/macarthy a macmahon to a hinkleton as to the stallone version ,i didnt mind the helmet too much or the shoulder bits as they made sense how they fit on him but as previous posters have said they came off as soon as he could because big fucking spanish pirate shoulder pads would get in the way ...the movie dredd is spot on to the original vision small shoulder pads and all and i dont mind the chain gone, that was more a punk inspired thing anyway and i suspect would not pass a risk assesment in these modern times.

   the bike is another thing altogether,i think soapy has sated on more than one occasion that it gets hardly any screen time and since mike has hinted the tyres are fat im thinking the fromt bit isnt as flat as the piss poor picture shows maybe itll flare out more at the front giving a big imposing look as the guns are clearly tucked under the housing.

   There are a lot of trolls appearing on this forum who claim to be fans but all they post is negative bollocks . please go back home, your mums are waiting with your jim jams .
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: Steve Green on 10 February, 2011, 07:42:41 PM
Wouldn't the best thing be to just ignore them, and let them answer their own posts?
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: mogzilla on 10 February, 2011, 08:29:16 PM
it would, but sc*** hunting is a national sport and for every one ignored another two spring up .
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: Mario Di Giacomo on 10 February, 2011, 09:24:57 PM
Quote from: radiator on 10 February, 2011, 03:38:56 PM
QuoteI think the uniform is the right way to go, not made my mind up about the lawmaster yet. But i would have loved to see the old mk1 lawgiver come out to play.

The MkI is too puny looking - only a couple of artists could draw it so it looked cool - McMahon and Ezquerra off the top of my head. A literal take on the MkI would just look silly on screen imo.

Re: the new movie lawgiver, I think it looks pretty nifty, and it actually doesn't look a million miles away from how some artists are drawing it these days imo...

(http://www.2000adonline.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=30965.0;attach=4182;image)

It's even closer to some shots:

(http://www.2000adonline.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=30965.0;attach=4006;image)
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: Judge Palmer on 10 February, 2011, 09:41:29 PM
Quote from: bewareofgeek on 10 February, 2011, 09:24:57 PM
Quote from: radiator on 10 February, 2011, 03:38:56 PM
QuoteI think the uniform is the right way to go, not made my mind up about the lawmaster yet. But i would have loved to see the old mk1 lawgiver come out to play.

The MkI is too puny looking - only a couple of artists could draw it so it looked cool - McMahon and Ezquerra off the top of my head. A literal take on the MkI would just look silly on screen imo.

Re: the new movie lawgiver, I think it looks pretty nifty, and it actually doesn't look a million miles away from how some artists are drawing it these days imo...

(http://www.2000adonline.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=30965.0;attach=4182;image)

It's even closer to some shots:

(http://www.2000adonline.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=30965.0;attach=4006;image)


Great find on that pic and a good comparison too. It's good to see the weapons and the overall look of Dredd's costume evolve and change as the years go by and the various artists influence the look also :)

Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: IAMTHESYSTEM on 10 February, 2011, 10:18:02 PM

Looks a little like a Bolt pistol from Warhammer 40K.

Frankly thats probably the sort of fire power you'd need in Mega City 1!

I like it. I think it's Glock conversion but wouldn't swear to it.
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: Judge Cassidy on 11 February, 2011, 02:04:43 AM
Quote from: mogzilla on 10 February, 2011, 07:16:58 PM
There are a lot of trolls appearing on this forum who claim to be fans but all they post is negative bollocks

So fans are not allowed to have a negative opinion of the new film or else they're not really fans...is that how it works?
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: Judge Cassidy on 11 February, 2011, 02:08:27 AM
Quote from: vzzbux on 10 February, 2011, 06:57:41 PM
Are you serious?

I was actually thinking more of the Series version of the bike (the one you posted is the one from the Pilot) which was a bit bigger and had weapon pods on the nose and bigger, more sticky-out airfoils behind the front wheel, but essentially yes, I am serious.
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: Mario Di Giacomo on 11 February, 2011, 02:12:57 AM
Which one?

http://www.streethawkonline.com/bikeinfo.php
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: Judge Cassidy on 11 February, 2011, 02:22:32 AM
Quote from: bewareofgeek on 11 February, 2011, 02:12:57 AM
Which one?

http://www.streethawkonline.com/bikeinfo.php

Meh, it doesn't really matter (I do favour the round nosed one though) There's the Pilot bike and the series bike, the variances in the different series bikes weren't intentional (they all came off the one blueprint), and aren't really important. What's key is what the Series bike has over the Pilot version - namely, it's bigger, has weapon pods, and it's airfoils are more angled (best seen in front-on shots)
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: blackmocco on 11 February, 2011, 02:42:54 AM
Quote from: Judge Cassidy on 11 February, 2011, 02:04:43 AM
Quote from: mogzilla on 10 February, 2011, 07:16:58 PM
There are a lot of trolls appearing on this forum who claim to be fans but all they post is negative bollocks

So fans are not allowed to have a negative opinion of the new film or else they're not really fans...is that how it works?

Not at all. But to start a new thread which essentially regurgitates everything that's in the previous threads is just pointless. This should just be merged with the Lawmaster one.
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: Richmond Clements on 11 February, 2011, 09:00:03 AM
Quote from: Judge Cassidy on 11 February, 2011, 02:04:43 AM
Quote from: mogzilla on 10 February, 2011, 07:16:58 PM
There are a lot of trolls appearing on this forum who claim to be fans but all they post is negative bollocks

So fans are not allowed to have a negative opinion of the new film or else they're not really fans...is that how it works?

Is that what's happening? Are your opinions being disallowed?
Or are they just being challenged by other people on the board?
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: Grimmyx22 on 11 February, 2011, 09:35:32 AM
Quote from: bewareofgeek on 10 February, 2011, 09:24:57 PM
Quote from: radiator on 10 February, 2011, 03:38:56 PM
QuoteI think the uniform is the right way to go, not made my mind up about the lawmaster yet. But i would have loved to see the old mk1 lawgiver come out to play.

The MkI is too puny looking - only a couple of artists could draw it so it looked cool - McMahon and Ezquerra off the top of my head. A literal take on the MkI would just look silly on screen imo.

Re: the new movie lawgiver, I think it looks pretty nifty, and it actually doesn't look a million miles away from how some artists are drawing it these days imo...

(http://www.2000adonline.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=30965.0;attach=4182;image)
I think the mk1 lawgiver was a really distinctive looking weapon, with the double magazine especially so. Some artists have made it look a bit puny i admit, but it is sooo Dredds gun, Instantly recognizable. One of the crucial design elements they should have kept. It could be brought upto date with a subtle redesign, Even just making it 20% bigger, maybe a larger muzzle diameter. Just my humble...

It's even closer to some shots:

(http://www.2000adonline.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=30965.0;attach=4006;image)
Quote
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: Grimmyx22 on 11 February, 2011, 09:43:54 AM
Soz about all the reposted pics, ill get the hang of this one day.
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: JOE SOAP on 11 February, 2011, 09:50:18 AM
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 11 February, 2011, 09:00:03 AM
Quote from: Judge Cassidy on 11 February, 2011, 02:04:43 AM
So fans are not allowed to have a negative opinion of the new film or else they're not really fans...is that how it works?

Is that what's happening? Are your opinions being disallowed?
Or are they just being challenged by other people on the board?


Yes, the old "I'm not allowed have a negative opinion/everyone is against me/I'm being censored" whine really means "don't criticise me just because I haven't thought my sweeping comments through and I haven't realised the irony of my printed words about not being allowed my opinion".
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: Hoagy on 11 February, 2011, 10:09:06 AM
Quoteregurgitate

Someone finally said the word that puts what is so annoying about the posts.

Regurgitation.

Vomiting. Blowing chunks. I get it. Everyone has the right to be negative, depressing and downright maudlin. #Its shit, life's shit, I didn't fulfill my destiny. That's not good. That's worse. Nobody died making this film. It goes nowhere and gets boring, quick. Its a cul-de-sac of natural progression. If someone is sick on the floor because the food was off, do we all have to eat that person's puke, as they do, regurgitating it again and again? And just because you're sick in public , does it mean you wait for a street-cleaner to clean it up for you? Do you take steps to help clean up your mess? How many days in an iso-cube does one get?

There's a voice in my head recently appeared saying, "Leave it Jake, it's The Internet."

I'll just say the above, honestly, is what comes to mind reading the "don't like it", posts. That's not enough though. In comes Fred, Ted and Whomever telling me they're a fan and like, totally crushing my freedom of expression man. And round and round it goes. I'm off to a chatroom to shout Faggot at someone.


Quote from: JOE SOAP on 11 February, 2011, 09:50:18 AM
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 11 February, 2011, 09:00:03 AM
Quote from: Judge Cassidy on 11 February, 2011, 02:04:43 AM
So fans are not allowed to have a negative opinion of the new film or else they're not really fans...is that how it works?

Is that what's happening? Are your opinions being disallowed?
Or are they just being challenged by other people on the board?


Yes, the old "I'm not allowed have a negative opinion/everyone is against me/I'm being censored" whine really means "don't criticise me just because I haven't thought my sweeping comments through and I haven't realised the irony of my printed words about not being allowed my opinion".

What he said.
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 11 February, 2011, 10:35:34 AM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 11 February, 2011, 09:50:18 AM
Yes, the old "I'm not allowed have a negative opinion/everyone is against me/I'm being censored" whine really means "don't criticise me just because I haven't thought my sweeping comments through and I haven't realised the irony of my printed words about not being allowed my opinion".

I imagine stage two is just around the corner, where simply having a better argument than the other person is redefined as "bullying".
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: strontium71 on 11 February, 2011, 10:40:55 AM
Right Jim , that's it - after school , you and me . I'm gonna duff you up!
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: Grimmyx22 on 11 February, 2011, 10:42:48 AM
Have i clicked on the wrong thread? I like Judge Dredd i do me.
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: IndigoPrime on 11 February, 2011, 10:57:13 AM
On the merge front, merging two ongoing threads of this sort will just cause a mess, so I don't think any mod's likely to do so.
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: mogzilla on 11 February, 2011, 09:00:48 PM
Quote from: Judge Cassidy on 11 February, 2011, 02:04:43 AM
Quote from: mogzilla on 10 February, 2011, 07:16:58 PM
There are a lot of trolls appearing on this forum who claim to be fans but all they post is negative bollocks

So fans are not allowed to have a negative opinion of the new film or else they're not really fans...is that how it works?

oooh,little paranoid aren't we?
who said it was you? fans can be negative trolls just come and well,troll and their "opinion" isnt relevant is all.
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: Definitely Not Mister Pops on 12 February, 2011, 12:17:50 AM
Is there a name for a self righteous git who goads trolls? ;)
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 12 February, 2011, 01:02:18 AM
Quote from: pops1983 on 12 February, 2011, 12:17:50 AM
Is there a name for a self righteous git who goads trolls? ;)

That would probably be me.
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: Kerrin on 12 February, 2011, 01:06:55 AM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 12 February, 2011, 01:02:18 AM
Quote from: pops1983 on 12 February, 2011, 12:17:50 AM
Is there a name for a self righteous git who goads trolls? ;)

That would probably be me.

We wouldn't have it any other way.
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: Misanthrope on 12 February, 2011, 01:34:07 AM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 12 February, 2011, 01:02:18 AM
Quote from: pops1983 on 12 February, 2011, 12:17:50 AM
Is there a name for a self righteous git who goads trolls? ;)

That would probably be me.

Jim Campbell:Troll Buster!
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: rattycole on 12 February, 2011, 01:41:52 PM
I have only seen a couple of stills so far. Going from those, whilst the uniform doesn't look like your classic Dredd, I personally think it strikes the right balance between the classic look and a more practical riot police look.

Can't really tell enough to have an opinion one way or another from the shot of the Law Master. The wheels certainly looked chunky enough and the machine guns looked cool but you can't tell much else due to the angle of the shot. So, I'm going to keep an open mind until I have at least seen a trailer.

From what I hear John Wagner is happy, so that's good enough for me  :o
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: radiator on 12 February, 2011, 01:47:53 PM
QuoteThe wheels certainly looked chunky enough and the machine guns looked cool but you can't tell much else due to the angle of the shot.

Agreed - the photo was taken from head height, so we're looking down on the bike, making it appear much small than it is - hence the 'scooter/lawnmower' comments. Shot from a low angle it will look much better.
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: Jared Katooie on 12 February, 2011, 06:32:06 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 11 February, 2011, 10:57:13 AM
On the merge front, merging two ongoing threads of this sort will just cause a mess, so I don't think any mod's likely to do so.

There's no need to merge them anyway. A thread like this is useful as a sort of pressure valve to reduce the negativity on the official movie thread. Probably.


In answer to your question Judge Cassidy, I don't like the new uniform or the bike, and several others have said the same on the movie threads.

I was dissapointed but I've accepted the movie will be what it will be. I might even go see it, 'cos I'm dead magnanimous.
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: vzzbux on 12 February, 2011, 11:04:19 PM
Quote from: rattycole on 12 February, 2011, 01:41:52 PM
The wheels certainly looked chunky enough and the machine guns looked cool but you can't tell much else due to the angle of the shot.

Machine Guns? Machine Guns?
That would be Bike Cannon.




Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: Tiplodocus on 12 February, 2011, 11:33:35 PM
Surely the ultimate test, for all those people saying "Oooh the uniform isn't right - this film will be crap" or "That bike is laughable, this film will be crap" is to imagine the '95 effort, perfectly rendered with an absolutely spot on uninform and a spot on bike and ask yourself, "Would that have made the filme good?".  I think you'll find, that the answer is "No".

So you might as well wait and see.
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: MarsHottentot on 13 February, 2011, 05:28:56 AM
Hello everyone!  This is only my second post (the first being in the Introductions thread), but I've been lurking all week reading most of these and feel like I can contribute.

First, I think the people they have working on the film are VERY capable and maybe of a higher caliber than one would expect for a pulp sci-fi / comic book adaptation.

Anthony Dod Mantle - Cinematographer.  Okay, first off - the man is an Oscar winner for his work on 'Slumdog Millionaire'.  He's done a LOT of gritty, intense work from Harmony Korine's skin crawler 'Julien Donkey-Boy' to the Idi Amin biopic 'The Last King Of Scotland' to Lars Von Trier's last adult horror 'Anti-Christ'.  Regardless of what you think of these films, they are visually stunning and wholly unique each one.  So visually it's a safe bet that 'Dredd' is going to look absolutely amazing and likely grim as all get out.

Mark Digby - Production Designer
.  Also an alum of 'Slumdog Millionaire' as well as 'Dredd' producer / writer Alex Garland's '28 Days Later' and this years lite sci-fi Oscar bait, 'Never Let Me Go'.  He also did the brainy George Clooney action / drama 'The American'.  Hollywood mainstay this guy ain't.  I have a feeling his Id will just be let loose here.

"But Mars" you may be thinking "These people have their dark indie / art house credentials down, sure, but what about the Ultra Violence?"

Well, let's look at the assistant directors and see where they're coming from.

First assistant director Lee Grummet and second assistant director Jo Tew both worked on 'Sherlock Holmes'.  First assistant director: second unit Dale Butler and second assistant director: second unit Christo van Schalkwyk both worked on 'Doomsday'.  Certainly that's pretty capable in the boom / explode / exploding body part category, no?

I haven't seen anything by director Pete Travis, but the rest of the crew have a pretty impressive filmography.  I'm betting 'Dredd' is going to be HEAVY.

Okay, so onto the uniform and Lawmaster.  I think they're supposed to go hand in hand.  If you look at the original Judge Dredd - he's modeled after Frankenstein from 'Death Race 2000', whose gear was modified from the then modern motorcycle racers suits of the 1970's.  So for his day - completely makes sense.  The new gear is using that same mindset but applied to our modern era.  Dredd's 'riot gear' is just as equally 'motor sports'.  And not just any old races but the insane high speed races.

I think it's possible that the Lawgiver we see in this picture is being driven unlike how it's going to be portrayed in the film.  It certainly doesn't seem to be going very fast.  I think the driver in the film will probably be in a leaning forward position - and that the bike will be very fast - hence the scoop in the back of the body armor for the helmet to 'aerodynamically' rest.  No, it's not all that faithful to the original, but it will probably be pretty cool anyway.

I think it's important to note what Karl Urban said about the film when looking at the images that have leaked so far.  He said it was going to be ""gritty and realistic".  I think the realism comment is the important thing here.  What if the circumstances that brought about Mega City 1 and the Judges Justice System actually did happen?  Much like the comic it would be a hell on Earth, no doubt, but it probably wouldn't be very colorful and the technological advancements would likely only be available the the very top echelons of society.  Everyone else would have to make do with the leftovers from the world before - which is why you see the bog standard vehicles and whatnot.  Any advancements the Great Unwashed will get will only serve to keep them from rising up and destroying the rich.

Speaking of which, I imagine the political subtext will be pretty stated this go 'round.

Thank you all for your kind indulgence!
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: The Sherman Kid on 13 February, 2011, 02:40:25 PM
Excellent post Mars, very detailed and informative - I have major reservations about the Dredd project to date ,but feel a lot more hopeful after reading your post :D
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: JOE SOAP on 13 February, 2011, 02:57:11 PM
As has been pointed out before this is old-school 70's Dredd- with a bit of early Origins thrown in visually.  If Travis goes back to his Omagh style rather than Vantage point, it'll work.
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: Richmond Clements on 13 February, 2011, 03:04:30 PM
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 13 February, 2011, 02:40:25 PM
Excellent post Mars, very detailed and informative - I have major reservations about the Dredd project to date ,but feel a lot more hopeful after reading your post :D

What he said- welcome!
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: Beeks on 13 February, 2011, 03:07:18 PM
Great post Mars and welcome
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: mogzilla on 13 February, 2011, 03:40:16 PM
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 12 February, 2011, 11:33:35 PM
Surely the ultimate test, for all those people saying "Oooh the uniform isn't right - this film will be crap" or "That bike is laughable, this film will be crap" is to imagine the '95 effort, perfectly rendered with an absolutely spot on uninform and a spot on bike and ask yourself, "Would that have made the filme good?".  I think you'll find, that the answer is "No".

So you might as well wait and see.

what he said as well.
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: SmallBlueThing on 13 February, 2011, 03:43:39 PM
Yeah, excellent post Mars, very well put and nicely done. I may be old and grumpy, and unwilling to change my opinions without battery being involved, but i am slightly more positive about the movie after reading that.
Still not going to see it at the cinema though!
But, excllent, yes. Welcome!
SBT
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: JOE SOAP on 13 February, 2011, 03:54:23 PM
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 13 February, 2011, 03:43:39 PMStill not going to see it at the cinema though!


Does that not apply to all films though?


WHat if Dredd gets glowing/fabulous reviews both here and elsewhere?
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: dweezil2 on 13 February, 2011, 04:17:35 PM
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 13 February, 2011, 03:43:39 PM
Yeah, excellent post Mars, very well put and nicely done. I may be old and grumpy, and unwilling to change my opinions without battery being involved, but i am slightly more positive about the movie after reading that.
Still not going to see it at the cinema though!
But, excllent, yes. Welcome!
SBT


The cinema is the best place to experience a movie in my opinion, with the home a long way behind.
The fact that Dredd is being shot in 3D means it will lose a lot of it's impact shrunk down to TV size, even if one has a large plasma.


Cinema all the way.
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: SmallBlueThing on 13 February, 2011, 04:39:36 PM
The thing about 3D is that, as yet, no one has done anything significant with it. Unlike every other leap in filmaking technology- from sound, colour, moving cameras, zoom, editing techniques and cinemascope right up to prosthetics, animation and even cgi, new advances have given filmmakers new techniques to add to their arsenal, new ways of approaching film grammar, all of which have served to add to the complexity of the form. As yet, 3D (which has been around for nearly 60 years) has added nothing.
We need a hitchcock or similar to use the depth of field in a way that the film loses something fundamental to its structure and artistry if viewed 'flat'. So far, to my mind, they're not even close. Which is why it's a redundant gimmick. Current thinking about the effect of 3D on the health of the eye, especially in children, may well kill it dead.
SBT
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: MarsHottentot on 13 February, 2011, 04:48:55 PM
Thanks all!  I've been thinking - the plot has Dredd and Anderson working their way through a block.  It would be a really clever device to have them start in the street (Low Life?) and, as they work their way up, things become less grimy / crime ridden, brighter, more livable and dignified on through to OTT hi-tech decadence that - design wise - mirrors the MC1 that we know from the comics.  

Looking at the subject matter 'Dredd''s filmmakers have done before, in addition to the locale in which they've chosen to film, this seems likely as it could be a subtle comment on our current global class system taken to it's ultimate conclusion - the elite few literally live upon the back of the destitute many.  Well, that's how I'd do it.

So 'MA-MA' is a new villain - but she's not a new style of character.  Don't be surprised when she turns out to be a text book Fattie - belly wheel and all.

For the record, the only thing I'm not crazy about on 'Dredd' is the 3D.  I'm getting old, my eyesight ain't what it used to be and 3D doesn't really do much but distract me.  Won't stop me from seeing it, though.
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: Steve Green on 13 February, 2011, 05:36:45 PM
I'm sure it's been posted before, but Walter Murch makes a good point about 3D

http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2011/01/post_4.html (http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2011/01/post_4.html)

I feel sorry for the compositors working in 3D, it can't be good for the eyes.
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: MarsHottentot on 13 February, 2011, 06:06:51 PM
Yeah, that's a great article.  The follow up about Maxivision48 (film process shoots at 48 fps versus the current 24.  "The most important innovation in cinema in the last half-century." - Martin Scorsese) is pretty depressing in that it will likely never happen.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2011/01/more_than_ever_the_future_of_f.html (http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2011/01/more_than_ever_the_future_of_f.html)
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: Steve Green on 13 February, 2011, 06:36:02 PM
I can sort of understand the reluctance on that though - they're fighting against decades of 24 frames per second being film reality, and faster frame rates than that are equated with home video, daytime soaps etc.
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: radiator on 13 February, 2011, 07:25:51 PM
QuoteSo 'MA-MA' is a new villain - but she's not a new style of character.  Don't be surprised when she turns out to be a text book Fattie - belly wheel and all.

The impression I have got is that while Ma Ma will look quite disfigured and scary in the movie, she won't be a fattie.

As for 3d at the cinema, I remain to be convinced - it just looks blurry and lacks solidity - and I'm even less convinced about 3dTV in the home. I just don't think the tech is good enough yet - when we get really solid-looking, crystal clear, holographic 'Tri-D' style 3d, then I think we might start to see really interesting things done with it.

Regardless, I expect I'll go see Dredd in both 2d and 3d - apparently they are doing stuff in the film that has never been attempted in 3d before so that will be worth seeing.
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: JOE SOAP on 13 February, 2011, 10:19:36 PM
Quote from: MarsHottentot on 13 February, 2011, 04:48:55 PM
Thanks all!  I've been thinking - the plot has Dredd and Anderson working their way through a block.  It would be a really clever device to have them start in the street (Low Life?) and, as they work their way up, things become less grimy / crime ridden, brighter, more livable and dignified on through to OTT hi-tech decadence that - design wise - mirrors the MC1 that we know from the comics.  

Looking at the subject matter 'Dredd''s filmmakers have done before, in addition to the locale in which they've chosen to film, this seems likely as it could be a subtle comment on our current global class system taken to it's ultimate conclusion - the elite few literally live upon the back of the destitute many.  Well, that's how I'd do it.


This was something I'd thought about when I'd first heard about the idea behind the Dredd screenplay, a block class system, it was a design consideration in the '95 film with those citizens living on the upper tiers of the Meg being of a higher class.

It was also something that tweaked a notion in me that Danny Boyle was going to direct (glad he didn't, I find his stuff a bit too superficial) cos he'd once expressed the notion that he wanted to do an adaptation of a JG Ballard story called High Rise of which some elements ended up in 28 Days Later.

High Rise:

QuoteThe building seems to give its well-established tenants all the conveniences and commodities that modern life has to offer: swimming pools, its own school, a supermarket, high-speed elevators. But at the same time, the building seems to be designed to isolate the occupants from the larger world outside, allowing for the possibility to create their own closed environment.
Life in the high-rise begins to degenerate quickly, as minor power failures and petty annoyances over neighbours escalate into an orgy of violence. The high-rise occupants divide themselves into the classic three groups of Western society: the lower, middle, and upper class, but here the terms are literal, as the lower class are those living on the lowest floors of the building, the middle class in the centre, and the upper class at the most luxurious apartments on the upper floors.

Also of note The Balfron Tower  Housing project:

QuoteA utopian 'community in the sky', was the dream of architect Ernö Goldfinger when he designed Balfron Tower in Poplar, East London. This may or may not be the result today, but the effort remains fascinating. The impressive tower, part of a social housing complex near the Blackwall tunnel under the Thames, keeps capturing artists' imagination


(http://www.ameliasmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Balfron-Tower-by-Simon-Terrill1.jpg)



Balfron Tower featured in both High Rise and 28 Days Later.



It wouldn't be a huge leap to suggest both Garland & Boyle had discussed High Rise at some stage or that High Rise may have influenced Garland while writing the screenplay for Dredd.
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: TordelBack on 13 February, 2011, 10:49:04 PM
This is a cautionary tale - there are no bad threads, only bad posts.
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: JOE SOAP on 13 February, 2011, 10:56:29 PM
Quote from: radiator on 13 February, 2011, 07:25:51 PMRegardless, I expect I'll go see Dredd in both 2d and 3d - apparently they are doing stuff in the film that has never been attempted in 3d before so that will be worth seeing.


For those who can only see it in 3D but want 2D, there is a solution...

http://www.tested.com/how-to-make-2d-glasses-for-3d-movies/47-279/


Quote from: TordelBack on 13 February, 2011, 10:49:04 PM
This is a cautionary tale - there are no bad threads, only bad posts.


Testify.

Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: JOE SOAP on 13 February, 2011, 11:00:21 PM
Quote from: MarsHottentot on 13 February, 2011, 04:48:55 PMSo 'MA-MA' is a new villain - but she's not a new style of character.  Don't be surprised when she turns out to be a text book Fattie - belly wheel and all.


I doubt that, I think the better avenue is having Lena as the dangerous lookin' beatch that she is. Original conceptions be damned.
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: JOE SOAP on 13 February, 2011, 11:07:18 PM
Quote from: MarsHottentot on 13 February, 2011, 06:06:51 PM
The follow up about Maxivision48 (film process shoots at 48 fps versus the current 24.  "The most important innovation in cinema in the last half-century." - Martin Scorsese) is pretty depressing in that it will likely never happen.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2011/01/more_than_ever_the_future_of_f.html (http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2011/01/more_than_ever_the_future_of_f.html)



There's actually no reason in the future this won't happen as it'll only be a matter of drive storage -getting cheaper all the time- rather than it being twice the cost of the older celluloid film- very expensive for both the shoot and projection.

The 48fps image -which in Europe would actually be 50fps for our 50hz power frequency- would really help with progressive frames and smooth shuttery motion out.
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: JOE SOAP on 13 February, 2011, 11:22:00 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 13 February, 2011, 06:36:02 PM
I can sort of understand the reluctance on that though - they're fighting against decades of 24 frames per second being film reality, and faster frame rates than that are equated with home video, daytime soaps etc.


I don't really see that being an issue, the difference for the split between TV and Cinema was always the flat looking interlaced video image shot on budget productions as opposed to the 24fps film look image which is now somewhat replicated by going progressive and higher camera exposure latitudes of sensor cameras as i'm sure you know. We never had the progressive video image, before the last decade, on TV, even though historically it was around long before the interlaced image with the invention of TV, because the broadcast bandwidth was too narrow.



Side note: There was a demonstration of HDTV (1080i/1125) lines by SONY and NHK at the European Union Broadcasting Conference held in Killarney, Ireland in 1982...

Scroll down the page for the real video (one of my elder editing colleagues is in the video too):

http://www.rte.ie/laweb/brc/brc_1980s.html


(http://www.rte.ie/laweb/images/brc/brc80s_hdtv425x250.jpg)


I've been told one episode of the SIX Million Dollar Man was shot on this video system and was screened, don't know which episode.
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: vzzbux on 13 February, 2011, 11:29:16 PM
Just thought I would throw in this concept bike as Mr Soap may be accused of being Sc*j* with his multi posts.
(http://community.imaginefx.com/forums/storage/41/315166/future%20bike%20final%20copy.png)
Sanity restored.
http://community.imaginefx.com/forums/314949/ShowThread.aspx





V
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: JOE SOAP on 13 February, 2011, 11:30:44 PM
Quote from: vzzbux on 13 February, 2011, 11:29:16 PM
Just thought I would throw in this concept bike as Mr Soap may be accused of being Sc*j* with his multi posts.


You must see my scripts...no please... you must...


Was that bike rendered on an Amiga?
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: MarsHottentot on 14 February, 2011, 01:12:36 AM
Quote from: Steve Green on 13 February, 2011, 06:36:02 PM
I can sort of understand the reluctance on that though - they're fighting against decades of 24 frames per second being film reality, and faster frame rates than that are equated with home video, daytime soaps etc.

Yeah, I've heard this argument as well, but somehow I don't think Martin Scorsese and Roger Ebert would be championing big screen video.  I mean, really.
Quote from: radiator on 13 February, 2011, 07:25:51 PM
QuoteSo 'MA-MA' is a new villain - but she's not a new style of character.  Don't be surprised when she turns out to be a text book Fattie - belly wheel and all.

The impression I have got is that while Ma Ma will look quite disfigured and scary in the movie, she won't be a fattie.

I heard she was...  dammit internet, makin' me look dumb this early...

Quote from: JOE SOAP on 13 February, 2011, 10:19:36 PM

It wouldn't be a huge leap to suggest both Garland & Boyle had discussed High Rise at some stage or that High Rise may have influenced Garland while writing the screenplay for Dredd.

Great post - I bet you're right.
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: radiator on 14 February, 2011, 10:55:50 AM
QuoteI heard she was...  dammit internet, makin' me look dumb this early...

I believe that her character is described as 'overweight' and in her mid-forties/fifties in the script - but since they cast Lena Headey in the role the character has changed to suit her appearance.

I think there may have been some confusion on some sites over whether the character is based on Big Mammy from the Alabammy Blimps storyline - which isn't the case.

(http://www.2000ad.org/covers/2000ad/mediumres/539.jpg)
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: Steve Green on 14 February, 2011, 12:45:55 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 13 February, 2011, 11:22:00 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 13 February, 2011, 06:36:02 PM
I can sort of understand the reluctance on that though - they're fighting against decades of 24 frames per second being film reality, and faster frame rates than that are equated with home video, daytime soaps etc.


I don't really see that being an issue, the difference for the split between TV and Cinema was always the flat looking interlaced video image shot on budget productions as opposed to the 24fps film look image which is now somewhat replicated by going progressive and higher camera exposure latitudes of sensor cameras as i'm sure you know. We never had the progressive video image, before the last decade, on TV, even though historically it was around long before the interlaced image with the invention of TV, because the broadcast bandwidth was too narrow.



Side note: There was a demonstration of HDTV (1080i/1125) lines by SONY and NHK at the European Union Broadcasting Conference held in Killarney, Ireland in 1982...

Scroll down the page for the real video (one of my elder editing colleagues is in the video too):

http://www.rte.ie/laweb/brc/brc_1980s.html


(http://www.rte.ie/laweb/images/brc/brc80s_hdtv425x250.jpg)


I've been told one episode of the SIX Million Dollar Man was shot on this video system and was screened, don't know which episode.

I don't know to be honest, I think of it as a similar hurdle where people are reluctant to change, e.g. the filmising of interlaced video, for something like the League of Gentlemen it made sense because it felt more filmic - but it was taken to extremes where they were filmising just about everything.

I remember turning on one of those motion interpolation gizmos on a DVD of The Game once, and it does look pretty weird. I know it's not native 50fps, but I still think the biggest hurdle is audience acceptance of a different frame rate, no matter how well done the other aspects are, as there's a massive expectation of what film should look like.

I don't know if digital cinemas are already specced up to project 2K at >24fps, it would be interesting to see something done as a test subject.
Title: Re: Are we all looking at the same photos here or what?
Post by: Michaelvk on 14 February, 2011, 06:53:40 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 13 February, 2011, 11:00:21 PM
Quote from: MarsHottentot on 13 February, 2011, 04:48:55 PMSo 'MA-MA' is a new villain - but she's not a new style of character.  Don't be surprised when she turns out to be a text book Fattie - belly wheel and all.


I doubt that, I think the better avenue is having Lena as the dangerous lookin' beatch that she is. Original conceptions be damned.

Scared the bejesus out of us on set, that's for sure..