How can we not have a thread for this yet? I'm not going to post any spoilers here, but I'd suggest going forward that if you haven't seen the most recent episode, steering clear of this thread until you have.
I'd suggest that anything that's been broadcast is fair game and doesn't need a spoiler tag, but if you've got a rumour of something upcoming, or even just some informed (or inspired!) speculation, you whack a spoiler block over it so people can decide whether they want to come to each new episode cold.
So... short, non-spoilery opinion after two episodes: it's fucking great. It looks fantastic, the performances range from fine to excellent, and there's an inspired plot driver that wasn't in the trailers that very quickly takes the story somewhere you might not have been expecting. As I understand it, pretty much everything that was in the trailers was taken from these first two episodes, so it's safe to assume there may be a few surprises in store before the end.
Highly recommended, by me, at least.
Spoiler Dath Vader takes down Obi-Wan :)
I have a less positive opininion but I'll still be hanging on every episode. The opening scene of Episode 1 took my breath away, I didn't see that coming at all, and it suggests certain things about the plot that are very cool. The first episode on the whole set everything up very nicely. It's awesome seeing Ewan McGregor back in the beard with his faux-Guinness accent, he really looks the part. The whole Jedi-hunting schtick, that they can't help but give themselves away, is an artful explanation for why the Empire so thoroughly obliterated even the ones who escaped Order 66.
But for me Episode 2 was pretty bad. Lots of improbable chasing around and, for a man who's trying to hide the fact that he's a Jedi, he certainly walks, talks, and carries his light sabre like one. As good as that young actress is, I don't buy for one second that she's ten years old; it was giving me flashbacks to the terrible mistake George Lucas made in starting Anakin off so young in TPM. Coupled with what I see as a few missed opportunities for added cool and some slightly dodgy effects, ep2 left me in quite a grumpy mood.
That said I must admit that it never occurred to me that Obi-Wan wouldn't know that Vader was Anakin, or even who Darth Vader was at all. Another cool moment.
I'm excited for the next episode, I hope it rediscovers some form and gives us the story we all hope it should.
I think I enjoyed it more than the other members of the Tips household. It needed some more focused action scenes (a Jedi hunter doing parkour seemed in there just for the sake of it). But yeah, wasn't expecting the plot to be driven by THAT. Makes perfect sense (unless you take every line of dialogue from original movies to be literal and gospel).
I'm reserving judgement, but enjoyed the first two episodes.
I was slightly surprised to see Flea turn up. I hope they lean into the theme of "great rock bassists" in future episodes. Maybe Peter Hook as a Rebel fighter, Kim Deal as a bounty hunter and Bootsy Collins as a tavern owner?
Reckon John Deacon would make a good Imperial Officer too?
Quote from: wedgeski on 31 May, 2022, 09:16:20 AM
But for me Episode 2 was pretty bad. Lots of improbable chasing around and, for a man who's trying to hide the fact that he's a Jedi, he certainly walks, talks, and carries his light sabre like one.
This is a pet niggle I have - but it's far, far too late to do anything about it. It's the whole design of jedi robes.
Look at A New Hope. Obi Wan is supposed to be in disguise and if you look at his clothing then it's not a million miles away from that of tusken sand raiders, which makes sense as they both live in the desert.
Then Empire rolled along and we met a second jedi. Who was wearing the same outfit, despite living in entirely different conditions (if Luke had been paying attention they'd have noticed that Yoda was wearing roughly the same clothes as Obi Wan, scaled down).
So to me the design of Obi Wan's clothes are good and make sense, but then George Lucas and the designers seemed to forget their design decisions in the next three years.
I guess they're supposed to reference a monk's robes, but I agree there should be variation for environment and species for the Jedis.
Wandering around Blade Runner wearing Jedi robes was idiotic on the part of Obi-Wan Ben.
She's nine. Like my daughter, a bit shorter than your average bear.
Heads up! Disney has moved Obi-Wan to Wednesdays, so there's a new episode out now. Possible Ep3 spoilers may occur from this point onwards.
(I haven't watched it yet, but wanted to drop a marker here for people, like me, who weren't expecting to see the next part until Friday.)
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 01 June, 2022, 10:34:57 AM
Heads up! Disney has moved Obi-Wan to Wednesdays, so there's a new episode out now. Possible Ep3 spoilers may occur from this point onwards.
(I haven't watched it yet, but wanted to drop a marker here for people, like me, who weren't expecting to see the next part until Friday.)
That's weird. Is there a replacement for the Friday slot?
[Waves hand]
This was never in a Friday slot.
Quote from: The Enigmatic Dr X on 01 June, 2022, 01:47:30 PM
This was never in a Friday slot.
Wasn't it? I was sure the first two were released on Friday. Never mind, then... probably just early-onset dementia on my part.
No it was released last Friday. I was trying to do a Jedi mind trick, but failed. Hard to do over the internet.
They released it last week to compete with Stranger Things, but have moved to a Wednesday slot going forward.
Quote from: The Enigmatic Dr X on 01 June, 2022, 02:20:03 PM
No it was released last Friday. I was trying to do a Jedi mind trick, but failed. Hard to do over the internet.
They released it last week to compete with Stranger Things, but have moved to a Wednesday slot going forward.
I got the joke!
I thought the Friday release was to coincide with Celebration, which ran from Thursday last week to (Saturday? Sunday?)
Quote from: The Enigmatic Dr X on 01 June, 2022, 02:20:03 PM
No it was released last Friday. I was trying to do a Jedi mind trick, but failed. Hard to do over the internet.
Ah. Sorry! Yes, I get it now. See? Early-onset dementia.
Quote from: sheridan on 01 June, 2022, 02:44:41 PM
I thought the Friday release was to coincide with Celebration, which ran from Thursday last week to (Saturday? Sunday?)
Both this and to compete? https://taketonews.com/stranger-things-and-obi-wan-kenobi-in-competition/#:~:text=%20Stranger%20Things%20and%20Obi-Wan%20Kenobi%20in%20competition,so%20well%20at%20Netflix%20lately.%20The...%20More%20 (https://taketonews.com/stranger-things-and-obi-wan-kenobi-in-competition/#:~:text=%20Stranger%20Things%20and%20Obi-Wan%20Kenobi%20in%20competition,so%20well%20at%20Netflix%20lately.%20The...%20More%20)
Certainly explains the lack of major announcements on May the 4th (the third of the 'announcement days' being the Disney shareholders AGM).
Bloody hell, episode 3 was intense. We always knew that Vader was a badass, but [spoiler]snapping a child's neck[/spoiler] was next level intense.
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 01 June, 2022, 04:50:10 PM
Bloody hell, episode 3 was intense. We always knew that Vader was a badass, but [spoiler]snapping a child's neck[/spoiler] was next level intense.
I totally understand he has to be ruthless/evil to build up the myth that became Vader but I never got this line "there is good in him" especially after episode iii and his slaughter of the Tusken's and younglins at the Jedi Temple. I never felt there was true redemption for all that he had done.
Still enjoy the franchise though
'Kinell. That was a bit of a nail-biter.
Quote from: Trooper McFad on 01 June, 2022, 07:38:58 PM
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 01 June, 2022, 04:50:10 PM
Bloody hell, episode 3 was intense. We always knew that Vader was a badass, but [spoiler]snapping a child's neck[/spoiler] was next level intense.
I totally understand he has to be ruthless/evil to build up the myth that became Vader but I never got this line "there is good in him" especially after episode iii and his slaughter of the Tusken's and younglins at the Jedi Temple. I never felt there was true redemption for all that he had done.
Still enjoy the franchise though
I always took "there is good in him" to be more about removing a weapon of destruction from the forces of the dark side, as opposed to forgiving him. It is a difficult circle to square, though - and it's why he needed to die in a redemptive act at the end of Jedi. It still makes the "buddy ghosts" scene around the Ewok campfire a bit odd, though. Hey - Anakin old buddy! No hard feelings!
Just watched the first four episodes. It was ok, but a few few don't sit right with me.
Yes it also this also occurred to me: why don't Jedis wear different clothes?
I hope they don't over use Vader to the extent he loses his aura. As with the Borg and the Dark Judges, you can't retain that if you keep not defeating your opponents.
How come Ben wasn't dripping wet when he entered the Empire's base? It's not just a continuity error, it affects the plot as the Stormtroopers would notice a trail of water on the floor.
Why would you have windows under the water in your military base?
And that scene where they corridor floods but Ben escapes from it easily didn't make a lot of sense to me; it just seemed to jump to he's outside and the Stormtroopers are dead in the flooded corridor.
Oh and how come they just go ...oh here's the Inquitors' /Vader's secret base and that's obviously where they have taken Leia?
I don't really like the humanising of the Stormtroopers, for example them chatting amongst themselves. It kinda takes away from their mystic.
I'm finding this quite disappointing. We know Leia's going to survive. We know Obi-Wan's going to survive. We know Vader's going to survive. There's no jeopardy.
And why does Vader's base seem to have no offensive or defensive weaponry at all, so Obi-Wan can just fly away unopposed? Even the TIE fighters don't give chase. Sure, because tracker, but wouldn't a general who fought in the Clone Wars think this was a bit odd and figure it out in short order?
Not impressed.
Also for what you would think is a highly regimented military force, the Empire seems to have incredibly lax security.
For example if you are questioned by a security guard, it's no problem just say you are working for Vader or the Inquisitor and they will be so scared they will ignore protocol.
And why was Tala not missed from the duty she was meant to be performing?
How come she can just log into systems she should not have access rights to?
Quote from: Magnetica on 10 June, 2022, 10:43:52 AM
Also for what you would think is a highly regimented military force, the Empire seems to have incredibly lax security.
For example if you are questioned by a security guard, it's no problem just say you are working for Vader or the Inquisitor and they will be so scared they will ignore protocol.
And why was Tala not missed from the duty she was meant to be performing?
How come she can just log into systems she should not have access rights to?
You missed one bit out - if a
ranking officer says they're working for Vader or the Inquisitor. This works perfectly in a highly regimented military force (or doesn't work, but at least reflects the real world).
It seems to me that they're telling a completely pointless story. It shouldn't be about Leia at all.
Granted, it would take something extraordinary to pull Obi-Wan away from watching over Luke but putting Leia in peril simply doesn't work for me and seems like lazy writing. Off the top of my head, how about having the underground railroad for fugitive Jedi (which is a cool idea) set up a waystation on Tatooine? Obi-Wan would then be torn between helping his fellow Jedi and protecting Luke - the UR would risk attracting attention to Luke, which Obi-Wan couldn't risk, putting the General in a difficult position. Further, amongst the younglings who escaped the Jedi Temple could include people who turn out to be one or more of Rey's parents, who later abandon her to protect her following the example set by Obi-Wan all those years ago. This would at least add something to the overall story arc rather than this pointless excursion.
Quote from: sheridan on 10 June, 2022, 11:10:10 AM
Quote from: Magnetica on 10 June, 2022, 10:43:52 AM
Also for what you would think is a highly regimented military force, the Empire seems to have incredibly lax security.
For example if you are questioned by a security guard, it's no problem just say you are working for Vader or the Inquisitor and they will be so scared they will ignore protocol.
And why was Tala not missed from the duty she was meant to be performing?
How come she can just log into systems she should not have access rights to?
You missed one bit out - if a ranking officer says they're working for Vader or the Inquisitor. This works perfectly in a highly regimented military force (or doesn't work, but at least reflects the real world).
Yeah ok... I guess....but a ranking officer who wasn't meant to be there.
Quote from: The Legendary Shark on 10 June, 2022, 12:05:54 PM
It seems to me that they're telling a completely pointless story. It shouldn't be about Leia at all.
Granted, it would take something extraordinary to pull Obi-Wan away from watching over Luke but putting Leia in peril simply doesn't work for me and seems like lazy writing. Off the top of my head, how about having the underground railroad for fugitive Jedi (which is a cool idea) set up a waystation on Tatooine? Obi-Wan would then be torn between helping his fellow Jedi and protecting Luke - the UR would risk attracting attention to Luke, which Obi-Wan couldn't risk, putting the General in a difficult position. Further, amongst the younglings who escaped the Jedi Temple could include people who turn out to be one or more of Rey's parents, who later abandon her to protect her following the example set by Obi-Wan all those years ago. This would at least add something to the overall story arc rather than this pointless excursion.
Or how about just telling a story about Ben's life on Tatooine, with him watching over Luke? There's no need to pull it away from that. Surely there is enough there with the Sand people, the Jawas and the Hutt to be getting on with. And Lar's overwhelming desire to keep Luke out of it. I had expected this to be a more of a background to episode IV. Maybe it will get there later- not sure if there are any plans for subsequent series.
Yes, that would be good too. (I had in my mind an image of Obi-Wan getting bored, sitting with crumbs and soup stains down his front, while his companion (an old Stormtrooper ally, maybe Rex) does all the work - until something happens to shake them out of their complacency.)
how obiwan is secretly reamarking the original moviees
https://www.cracked.com/article_34225_how-obi-wan-kenobi-is-secretly-remaking-the-original-movies.html
Quote from: The Legendary Shark on 10 June, 2022, 12:05:54 PM
Granted, it would take something extraordinary to pull Obi-Wan away from watching over Luke but putting Leia in peril simply doesn't work for me and seems like lazy writing. Off the top of my head, how about having the underground railroad for fugitive Jedi (which is a cool idea) set up a waystation on Tatooine?
There's been so much online whinging about how every Star Wars story seems to be set on Tatooine, I'm not surprised they wanted to take it off planet this time!
Quote from: The Legendary Shark on 10 June, 2022, 01:37:21 PM
Yes, that would be good too. (I had in my mind an image of Obi-Wan getting bored, sitting with crumbs and soup stains down his front, while his companion (an old Stormtrooper ally, maybe Rex) does all the work - until something happens to shake them out of their complacency.)
Completely read that as "sitting with Salacious Crumb"
p.s. Rex was a clone trooper, not a stormtrooper, and I'm sure would fight you for it :)
Quote from: sheridan on 10 June, 2022, 04:13:59 PM
Rex was a clone trooper, not a stormtrooper, and I'm sure would fight you for it :)
Heh - and that's why I'm an armchair amateur!
I like that Leia's in it, and creating a strong bond with Obi-Wan "Ben" Kenobi, as someone she would later turn to when she was in desperate need of help.
"I can't believe he's gone."
"I know. He helped me once too, you know."
"Really?"
"Yes. Flew all the way from Tatooine just because my father asked him to."
"He knew your father too?"
"Well, I was adopted but..."
"Hang on... Do you think...?"
"Come on, Kid, we ain't outta this yet."
"Graaaawwrr."
Yes, well - one might as easily complain that Vader turning out to be Luke's dad is trite writing. It's all a bit silly. There are noises in space, and spaceships accelerate with giant engines at the back but never need to turn around to decelerate, and they have magic gravity, and FTL travel (even though that breaks causality).
I still like that Leia's in this show. Maybe none of it's true - and it's all a legend being told thousands of years in the future, like Norse mythology stuff. After all, it was a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away...
All true, and maybe I am being a bit harsh. I suppose we can't all like everything and holes can easily be poked. For example, wouldn't medical droids do scans of everyone who joins a rebel cell in order to help with future care, and wouldn't Luke and Leia's DNA be on file and cross-referenced?
And all the planets and moons have the same gravity and breathable atmospheres, regardless of size or composition.
Buy they generally do in Star Trek as well.
Quote from: Funt Solo on 10 June, 2022, 08:29:00 PM
Yes, well - one might as easily complain that Vader turning out to be Luke's dad is trite writing. It's all a bit silly. There are noises in space, and spaceships accelerate with giant engines at the back but never need to turn around to decelerate, and they have magic gravity, and FTL travel (even though that breaks causality).
Yes to most of that but isn't hyperspace technically a seperate set of dimensions and so they're not actually travelling faster than light (from a certain point of view)?
I like the answer to the speed problem that JMS gave in relation to Babylon 5; "ships travel at the speed of plot."
Quote from: sheridan on 11 June, 2022, 09:26:11 AM
Quote from: Funt Solo on 10 June, 2022, 08:29:00 PM
Yes, well - one might as easily complain that Vader turning out to be Luke's dad is trite writing. It's all a bit silly. There are noises in space, and spaceships accelerate with giant engines at the back but never need to turn around to decelerate, and they have magic gravity, and FTL travel (even though that breaks causality).
Yes to most of that but isn't hyperspace technically a seperate set of dimensions and so they're not actually travelling faster than light (from a certain point of view)?
As far as I know "they" have never really attempted to explain how FTL travel works in Star Wars.
As I understand it, the explanation given in Star Trek is that warp drive warps space, shrinking the space in front of the ship bringing the destination nearer and pushing what is behind further away.
In B5 and Stargate they enter a hyperspace realm that is outside of normal space. Which fits the description above.
Quote from: sheridan on 11 June, 2022, 09:26:11 AM
Yes to most of that but isn't hyperspace technically a seperate set of dimensions and so they're not actually travelling faster than light (from a certain point of view)?
Han Solo: "She'll make point five past lightspeed. She may not look like much, but she's got it where it counts, kid."
...Which would pretty much suggest that 'hyperspace travel' in the SW universe
is FTL. Although, if the Falcon can only make "point five past lightspeed", either all the planets in this faraway galaxy are
really close together, or the characters age
really slowly and those years-long journeys have been judiciously edited. :-)
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 11 June, 2022, 12:27:18 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 11 June, 2022, 09:26:11 AM
Yes to most of that but isn't hyperspace technically a seperate set of dimensions and so they're not actually travelling faster than light (from a certain point of view)?
Han Solo: "She'll make point five past lightspeed. She may not look like much, but she's got it where it counts, kid."
...Which would pretty much suggest that 'hyperspace travel' in the SW universe is FTL. Although, if the Falcon can only make "point five past lightspeed", either all the planets in this faraway galaxy are really close together, or the characters age really slowly and those years-long journeys have been judiciously edited. :-)
Solo also thought a parsec was a unit of time. Probably thinks a lightyear is too, I shouldn't wonder. Point five of what past lightspeed? 0.5mm/hour? 0.5 au/ms? Clearly he*'s just blustering out meaningless technobabble and doesn't understand the words coming out of his mouth. Futhermore he* is a bounder and a cad so I don't think his word should be taken as gospel.
Only watched the first episode of this. Jedi: Fallen Order did this kind of story better, and with original characters to boot. Not too sure I could be arsed with the rest of it, but it's good that other people like it.
*I could be talking about Solo or Lucas here, I'm not too sure myself
Quote from: Mister Pops on 11 June, 2022, 02:43:04 PM
Solo also thought a parsec was a unit of time.
They kind of addressed this in the Solo movie (using broadly the same explanation that I'd figured out in my head by the age of ten*), ie: the Kessel Run can only be navigated by very circuitous routes, a route plotted in smaller numbers of parsecs is more risky, but quicker because you traverse less distance.
*Why, yes, I
was a precocious little nerd. What makes you ask...? ;-)
Ah, but point five what past lightspeed? 0.5% of lightspeed is ~931.4 mi/s, making the Falcon's top speed ~187213.4 mi/s, meaning it would take the ship ~4.231 years to travel from Earth to Proxima Centuri, our closest star beyond the Sun (disregarding relativistic effects). 0.5% of infinity, however, is still infinity, meaning that the Falcon could make the same journey in 0 seconds. Using the JMS interpretation, however, 0.5% of plot means that the uncertainty principle comes into play, making the journey time from here to Proxima slightly too fast, just right, or slightly too slow depending on the nature of the story.
I'll get me waistcoat...
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 11 June, 2022, 02:49:00 PM
the Kessel Run can only be navigated by very circuitous routes, a route plotted in smaller numbers of parsecs is more risky, but quicker because you traverse less distance.
Surely that has more to do navigation and piloting skills, regardless of your ship. Solo was asked if his ship was fast. If someone asked me if my car was fast, I wouldn't reply "She did 12 miles on the M25" because that would be a silly non-sequitor.
I'll stick with my headocanon that he's a chancer who was pulling shite out of his hoop.
Quote from: Mister Pops on 11 June, 2022, 03:15:40 PM
I'll stick with my headocanon that he's a chancer who was pulling shite out of his hoop.
Best explanation so far!
Ah, but hyperspace (the alternate dimension) is entered by going at or past light speed, just not at the ludicrous speeds you'd need to cross the galaxy in a few days.
wookiepedia, hyperspace (https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Hyperspace)
And yes, that was an intentional Spaceballs reference (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygE01sOhzz0)
I like some things in this; Ewen McGregor, it being about Leia, it not being Tattooine and Obi Wan having to refind his mojo.
But i find it stupid that he lost his mojo in the first place however. Did I miss something? Has hiding from the inquisitors actively made him rusty?
Anyway, it's all still oddly a bit flat with things not quite joining up for me. "Don't get out of the tank... Your burns aren't healed" and the injuries are then ignored. Meet Wade, goodbye Wade. The dialogue is perfunctory at best (the Leia/Third Sister scene should have crackled).
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 13 June, 2022, 11:21:44 PM
But i find it stupid that he lost his mojo in the first place however. Did I miss something? Has hiding from the inquisitors actively made him rusty?
Many skills atrophy surprisingly quickly with disuse, and it would seem that Obi-Wan has been quite actively
avoiding using his. By the time of ANH, there's no gravity-defying shenanigans or moving objects around — a couple of "Jedi mind tricks" and that's pretty much your lot, so I don't have any particular problem with the level of power he's demonstrating here.
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 14 June, 2022, 11:14:09 AM
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 13 June, 2022, 11:21:44 PM
But i find it stupid that he lost his mojo in the first place however. Did I miss something? Has hiding from the inquisitors actively made him rusty?
Many skills atrophy surprisingly quickly with disuse, and it would seem that Obi-Wan has been quite actively avoiding using his. By the time of ANH, there's no gravity-defying shenanigans or moving objects around — a couple of "Jedi mind tricks" and that's pretty much your lot, so I don't have any particular problem with the level of power he's demonstrating here.
SPOILERS FOR THE REBELS ANIMATED SERIES
in the (great) Twin Suns episode, the Guinness Kenobi faces off against Darth Maul for the last time.....and gets in one lethal lightsabre blow before Maul can even react. The old geezer is definitely a Jedi Master at the top of his game.
That episode was written by Dave Fiiloni, whose fingerprints are all over the Kenobi show, and Feloni's a huuuuge continuity guy, so you've got to assume the two things are still going to join up.
At the stage this show began, Kenobi has cut themselves off from the Force, to avoid detection...
Quote from: GordonR on 14 June, 2022, 11:56:14 AM
in the (great) Twin Suns episode, the Guinness Kenobi faces off against Darth Maul for the last time.....and gets in one lethal lightsabre blow before Maul can even react. The old geezer is definitely a Jedi Master at the top of his game.
You're not wrong. As much as I enjoyed it, I sometimes struggle to keep the animated stuff straight in the timeline...
Please amend my response to
"Fucked if I know", then...!
Episode Five - all previous niggles aside, I enjoyed the Hell out of this episode.
Still all a bit flat in the action department, full of daft "for the plot" plotting, and studio bound and cheap looking but yeah, that was more fun.
++SPOILERS++
I did enjoy that episode but...
- Why wait until the ceiling door is opened before boarding the transport?
- It took approximately one second for 200 people to get on board.
- There was one ship shown at all times - where did the decoy ship come from?
- Who was flying the decoy?
- Why didn't Vader stop the real one as he had just stopped the decoy?
- Why didn't Vader see the real one on the ground behind the decoy?
- What's the point of all the Stormtroopers if Vader can just go in alone whenever he wants?
- Why did Third Sister think she could kill him without a distraction *in that moment*?
- How did Obi-Wan escape captivity - it's not clear.
+++ SPOILERS+++
Following on from Funt as I have those same questions running through my head plus these.
- how do you survive a lightsaber wound that travels through your abdomen???
- why leave a possible "threat" alive as Vader was left and he is now stronger than before driven by revenge?
Quote from: Funt Solo on 16 June, 2022, 08:50:20 PM
++SPOILERS++
I did enjoy that episode but...
- Why wait until the ceiling door is opened before boarding the transport?
- It took approximately one second for 200 people to get on board.
Good points. I'd say we don't know that the, more vulnerable didn't board the ship early, and the rest had a lot of stuff to do in the meantime, including fighting off imperials to give [spoiler]Leia time to do her bit.[/spoiler]
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- There was one ship shown at all times - where did the decoy ship come from?
It was hidden behind the other one.
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- Who was flying the decoy?
I wondered that too, but I'd imagine there were a few off-screen characters capable. Or they used remote control.
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- Why didn't Vader stop the real one as he had just stopped the decoy?
Using the Force takes focus. He'd just used it to pull a craft out of the sky and rip it apart (incidentally, wasnt that a cool scene?) and the hidden second craft surprised him. It got away before he could bring his will to hear.
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- Why didn't Vader see the real one on the ground behind the decoy?
X-Ray vision isn't part of a sith lord's power-set.The craft was hidden behind the other, and it was a smaller vessel (i think). His name is 'Darth Vader' not 'Johnny Alpha', or 'Kal-el'. (And they'd have to think there was a need to turn it on.)
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What's the point of all the Stormtroopers if Vader can just go in alone whenever he wants?
They have other functions when he isn't around, but I think it's mostly a matter of appearance from Vader's POV in this circumstance. And some of them were busy being slaughtered by Obi-Wan at that point,😉 so I guess they had a.... yeah, I guess they proved kind of useless
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- Why did Third Sister think she could kill him without a distraction *in that moment*?
I think she knew she was taking a chance that might not pay off, but it probably seemed a good opportunity when he appeared so distracted. And her recent exchange with Obi-wan likely spurred her on.
Quote- How did Obi-Wan escape captivity - it's not clear.
I agree they should have shown more there. I guess even an unpracticed Jedi (who has improved by this episode, to be fair) is a match for stormtroopers, but there did seem rather a lot of them.
++SPOILERS++
Of course I was nit-picking to an extent, but I felt that the choice to play the trick on the audience was a cheap one (regarding the suddenly available extra ship). Fair enough, fool Vader. But everything they'd shown us up until that point suggested one ship, so it felt like a cheat. Not that I'm against rug-pulling in fiction - I love The Usual Suspects, for example. The difference there is that they present it in such a way as to suggest you should have known all along, if only you'd been paying attention to the clues.
I can back-fill plot points myself, and come up with my own fiction as to why it should all make sense - what I was trying to get across was that the way they chose to tell the story in that episode had too many moments where I was being forced to do that.
But it was still fun. (Also, if you play it back and freeze frame it, the second ship is visible in the background beneath the one Vader is focused on - but it seriously blends in with the hanger walls and could just as easily be an accommodation block or something.)
The second ship was in the background in just about every scene where we saw the first ship.
Quote from: Funt Solo on 16 June, 2022, 08:50:20 PM
- How did Obi-Wan escape captivity - it's not clear.
I liked that we didn't see this. I don't think we really needed to as we'd just seen him trouncing stormtroopers by the shedload, so another protracted action scene might have been excessive and a bit samey. And he's Obi-Wan Kenobi.
Quote from: sheridan on 19 June, 2022, 10:11:37 AM
The second ship was in the background in just about every scene where we saw the first ship.
Have you ever counted the ball passes (https://youtu.be/xwPmAS8DTGU)?
Quote from: Funt Solo on 19 June, 2022, 03:44:50 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 19 June, 2022, 10:11:37 AM
The second ship was in the background in just about every scene where we saw the first ship.
Have you ever counted the ball passes (https://youtu.be/xwPmAS8DTGU)?
Admittedly I am pretty observant - first time I saw that video (around twenty years ago - eep!) I counted both the ball passes and noticed the other element...
Jovus Crust, they may as well do away with starships and just have teleporters or stargates instead. This has been a frustratingly Curate's Egg of a series. The lightsabre battle was ace, though.
That sequence of the Star Destroyer pursuing the escaping ship, was just full of holes.
Why can't the Empire shoot straight? Or having caught up most of the way, given the decent head start the escaping ship must have had, assuming the amount of time it must have taken Vader to return to the Star Destroyer since the end of the last episode, why couldn't they actually catch up all the way?
And how come Vader tolerates such bad marksmanship?
Or even himself "I'm totally obsessed with Obi Wan. But I won't bother confirming that he's actually dead".
The one minute money shot [spoiler]Obi Wan kicking Vader's ass[/spoiler] did not justify this.
File under wasted opportunity. But I'm not going to obsess about it.
Also how come the Jedi & Sith are way more powerful than we've ever seen before? For example using the force to stop escaping ships, moving a load of rocks, surviving being bombarded by said rocks.
And how come the don't use that level of powers again? For example in any of the films?
Rey stopped a shuttle leaving in Rise Of Skywalker, so seems acceptable for Vader to be able to do it. But it did look hokey.
Quote from: Tomwe on 24 June, 2022, 10:31:04 AM
Rey stopped a shuttle leaving in Rise Of Skywalker, so seems acceptable for Vader to be able to do it. But it did look hokey.
A hokey religion, you might say?
Star Wars used to be a rare treat now they like buses. Not good this one, pointless.
Quote from: judgeurko on 25 June, 2022, 05:02:57 PM
Star Wars used to be a rare treat now they like buses. Not good this one, pointless.
Yeah! Like waiting for that Mega-City television show! Grrr!
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Given how awful the prequel trilogy was, it's impressive that they managed to make Hayden work in this series as a dark character, and not just a moping, winge-ridden, angsty twat with bad hair. Impressive! Most impressive!
Third Sister teleporting to Tatooine was a bit of magical plotting. Please - nobody needs to explain to me how it could be done - I can invent stuff myself. The trouble is that it was jarring, because last time we saw her she had been impaled by a light saber, couldn't walk, had been abandoned by her logistical support network and just didn't seem like she'd be able to teleport to Tatooine, or bandage herself, or survive.
No doubt there'll be a graphic novel or mini-series along at some point to tell that untold story.
That's just an example - there are loads of plot contrivances that don't really pass muster - and it detracts from the positive aspects of the show. If your ship is being chased by people who are shooting at you, why is there time for everyone to have long drawn out conversations about the situation. The sense of peril is utterly lost. In Empire, they managed to have their chase cake and eat it by having the Falcon hide in a giant asteroid - then you get the Tie-Bombers to ramp up the tension while the characters have a conversation.
Luke's "escape pod" was about half the size of the ship it came out of. After he kicked Vader's butt, he escapes the planet - and the orbiting Star Destroyer is nowhere to be seen. Did they pop off for lunch? Gah!
Like Shark said: a curate's egg.
Quote from: Funt Solo on 25 June, 2022, 05:35:01 PM
Quote from: judgeurko on 25 June, 2022, 05:02:57 PM
Star Wars used to be a rare treat now they like buses. Not good this one, pointless.
Yeah! Like waiting for that Mega-City television show! Grrr!
that wont happen