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General Chat => Film & TV => : Noisybast 17 March, 2005, 10:45:27 PM

: Incredibles DVD
: Noisybast 17 March, 2005, 10:45:27 PM
Having utterly failed to catch it at the cinema, I'm looking for the best price for the Incredibles DVD (2 disc set). For some reason, Disney themselves are the most expensive (?16.99), despite cutting out the middleman. Wierd, eh?

So far, best price seems to be Play.com, who are flogging it for ?14.99 (inc delivery).

Anyone beat that?

Link: Play.com

: Re: Incredibles DVD
: Banners 17 March, 2005, 10:49:03 PM
Region 3 2-Disc Special Edition ?9.49 and free P&P...

Also, it only seems like yesterday when this was in the cinemas. I remember when the process of a film moving through cinema, to rental video and then home video would take like two years. Now it's mere weeks.

Gosh, I sound old :-(

M@

Link: CD WOW!

: Re: Incredibles DVD
: Oddboy 17 March, 2005, 10:50:57 PM
?13.99 from CD WOW  - but that was including a ?1 off voucher... so it's really ?14.99 (free delivery).


Although it's not for me... Oddgirl wanted to get it for her Dad for his birthday.

Spect we'll get it for ourselves sooner or later.
: Re: Incredibles DVD
: Noisybast 17 March, 2005, 10:53:53 PM
"it only seems like yesterday when this was in the cinemas"

Y'know, I was just thinking the same thing myself...
: Re: Incredibles DVD
: Oddboy 17 March, 2005, 10:57:28 PM
It was always three years from Cinema to (terrestrial) TV for movies when I was a kid - and I used to wait. Don't have that sort of patience nowadays. Mind you, I couldn't afford to just buy videos (or now DVDs) with my pocket money & still get the Beano & Crisis.
: Re: Incredibles DVD
: WoD 17 March, 2005, 11:09:44 PM
CD-WoW region 3 - like m@ said...that's what I ordered.
: Re: Incredibles DVD
: Matt Timson 18 March, 2005, 04:36:21 AM
Believe it or not, it used to take *five* years for films to make it to ITV or the Beeb.  Five years!

I remember doing the maths to see how old I'd be before The Empire Strikes back would be on the telly...
: Re: Incredibles DVD
: Quirkafleeg 18 March, 2005, 05:07:05 AM
I was about to say exactly the same thing... I also remember when films would 'tour' around the country - moving on to the regions after playing for a month in London (and after weeks and weeks of playing in America - the neg would look like some one had been sanding it).

: Re: Incredibles DVD
: Carlsborg Expert. 18 March, 2005, 05:40:31 AM
How dare you all contrive the fact that if you all went to the cinema independantally it would have cost you all less than a fiver each.

And now you all staare un ambiguously into tomorrow blarting about how you want an individual copy for much cheaper.

I could give out and say ooh you cheeky blighters. But the way oyou treat people who do not correspond with your way of thinking.... I feel like selling you all down the fucking river and leaving you to slap around in the midday sun.

In a shallow puddle.

its as simple as this people.

you be nice.

we'll be nice.

Otherwise. Do not fuck with things you only write about and have no firsthand knowledge about.

thensome
: Re: Incredibles DVD
: Noisybast 18 March, 2005, 05:55:53 AM
Jimmy, what in the name of Grud's green goolies are you talking about? Another heavy late night session is it?
: Re: Incredibles DVD
: Matt Timson 18 March, 2005, 05:56:58 AM
The plot seems well and truly lost, I'm afraid...
: Re: Incredibles DVD
: Quirkafleeg 18 March, 2005, 06:22:38 AM
Earth to Planet Smoker! Earth to Planet Smoker! You're breaking up... You're breaking up...
: Re: Incredibles DVD
: Noisybast 18 March, 2005, 09:55:35 AM
Nope - finished work at midnight, several festive Guinnesses (Guinni?) later, and I'm still none the wiser. Remember kids, just say no.
: Re: Incredibles DVD
: Jared Katooie 18 March, 2005, 02:39:22 PM
Now see, I got in trouble for asking these kinds of questions. It's best just to pretend you understand and then run away and hide.
: Re: Incredibles DVD
: Oddboy 18 March, 2005, 04:24:41 PM
would have cost you all less than a fiver each

Saw The Incredibles at Peckham Multiplex - ?2.99 a ticket.
: Re: Incredibles DVD
: Banners 18 March, 2005, 04:34:26 PM
The cinema has become a reluctant experience for me.

Over-priced, crass, garish soul-less places, where after avoiding the obstacle course of Burberry-clad children spitting at their feet, one has to struggle through more anti-social behaviour of people not only answering their mobiles, but actually making calls!

With DVDs being so cheap and quick to release, the full-screen experience hardly seems worth worth it any more.

M@ (collecting pension soon)
: Re: Incredibles DVD
: The Monarch 19 March, 2005, 07:54:31 PM
?8 99 if you trade in two dvds at blockbuster (not sure if its just my local though) and yes the two that i traded in ares ones that i will not miss.
: Re: Incredibles DVD
: IndigoPrime 19 March, 2005, 08:23:41 PM
:: Over-priced, crass, garish soul-less places

Apart from Ster Century. If you have one near you, go there.
: Re: Incredibles DVD
: Richmond Clements 19 March, 2005, 08:29:39 PM
So who's got it?
I've seen it four times since yesterday afternoon, and it's still bloody great.
Edna Mode is a creation of total genius. The extra cartoons are lovely too, the Jack Jack one cleverly filling in a blank in the main movie, and the spoof Mr Incredible cartoon in the style of the old Spider-man one is quite fantastic.
: Re: Incredibles DVD
: The Monarch 19 March, 2005, 09:19:29 PM
the spoof cartoon is even funnier if you listen to the spoof commentary by the "real" frozone and mr incredible.

"They made me a white guy?"

"you're black...ish"
: Re: Incredibles DVD
: Buddy 19 March, 2005, 09:27:16 PM
It was always three years from Cinema to (terrestrial) TV for movies when I was a kid

When I was a kid it took 7 years for a film to get to terrestrial TV.

And buying a film on video would set you back about 70 quid. That's not a video player, that's a video MOVIE.

One of the first to break this tradition was Raiders of the Lost Ark on video. It came in at about 14.99. After that prices droped considerably.

The Increadibles is great, it's a true testement to a films quality when you look forward to buying the DVD on reliese even though you've had a hooky copy for ages.

I also recommend the tenth annaiverery release of The Shawshank Redemption, great stuff.
: Re: Incredibles DVD
: Bolt-01 20 March, 2005, 01:38:02 AM
The whole Bolt clan watched this on the plane back from Florida and loved it yet again.

The DVD was a simultaneous launch with the states (where it was retailing for $14.99 IIRC) so that might account for the quick turnaround from the cinema. It was released on the cinema over here after the states I think.

Top film and Toms fave character is the mighty FroZone!

Bolt-01
: Re: Incredibles DVD
: Oddboy 24 March, 2005, 02:37:56 PM
Hurrah! for Tharg!


Tharg just emailed me a link to get Incredibles DVD for ?2.99!
: Re: Incredibles DVD
: Oddboy 24 March, 2005, 02:49:02 PM
Gah!  Hang on - "Further purchases necessary" - arrrgh noooo!
: Re: Incredibles DVD
: longmanshort 24 March, 2005, 03:12:13 PM
Further purchases necessary

What?! Where the hell did it say THAT?!?!?!?
: Re: Incredibles DVD
: paulvonscott 24 March, 2005, 03:16:07 PM
Yeah, didn't take me long to spot that, plus it's very difficult to find out what these purchases actually are.  Somewhere in the rather tedious terms and conditions you find you have to buy 6 DVD's at their price (whatever that is).

It's misleading to the point of being a scam, and anyway, it's the same deal book clubs run (never join a book club) and as such I've reported it as the spam it is.  I'm pretty pissed off at recieving junk like this from Tharg in my inbox.
: Re: Incredibles DVD
: longmanshort 24 March, 2005, 03:25:26 PM
bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks bollocks

longmanshort needs to get home RIGHT this minute to cancel something ...
: Re: Incredibles DVD
: paulvonscott 24 March, 2005, 03:29:43 PM
Haw-Haw.  It's funny coz it's Mike, but this could happen to anyone!

Still Mike, they do have a cooling off period:

"You may cancel your Channel account by writing to us within 10 days of receiving your product and as long as you return the product unopened, we will refund the money you have paid in full"

And here are those terms and conditions again:
 
Terms and Conditions

 
 
1. What the words mean

In these Terms and Conditions:

"you" means anyone applying to open a Channel account or whose application has been accepted;

"we, us" means UGD UK Limited or any company to which UGD UK Ltd has transferred its rights;

"Agreed Period" means the period in which you have to complete your Channel Agreement, as specified in Condition 4 below;

"Agreement Fee" means the amount we can charge you if you do not fulfil the Channel Agreement or if you cancel your Channel account as explained in Condition 4;

"Channel Agreement" means the number of Products you have to buy, described in Condition 4 below;

?Channel Selection? - A product which the we recommend and which will be sent to you if you have not purchased a Channel price recording during any quarter of your agreement and which you will be charged for.

"Channel Price" means the normal price for Products as shown in the Channel catalogue or on the Channel Website;

"Channel Website" means www.channel.com;
"Agreed Period" means the period in which you have to complete your Channel Agreement, as specified in Condition 4 below;

"Minimum Term" means the time from the date your Channel account is opened until you fulfil your Channel Agreement;

"Opening Offer" means the offer you accept to open your Channel account;

"Products" means all the compact discs, DVDs and videos we supply, and any other formats we might supply in the future;

"Voucher" means any voucher or coupon we provide as part of any Channel offer.

2. Terms and Conditions

2.1 These Terms and Conditions apply as soon as we accept your application for a Channel account. We'll let you know before we make any changes to them. These may include a change of Channel's name or structure, but won't affect the fulfilment of your Channel Agreement.

2.2 As a Channel customer you agree to be bound by these Terms and Conditions.

3. Becoming a Channel customer

3.1 To open a Channel account you must be at least 18 years old with a permanent home address in England, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales, the Isle of Man or the Channel Islands.

3.2 You can't transfer your Channel account to anyone else or let anyone else use your account to buy products from us.

3.3 We screen all applications for a Channel account and might not accept yours. If we don't accept it we'll return any money you've sent. We don't process card payments until we've accepted an application.

3.4 You can cancel your Channel account after joining and within 10 working days of receiving your Opening Offer. To do this you need to write to us at the address shown in condition 16. Otherwise your account will stay open until it's cancelled and you will have to meet your obligations under the Channel Agreement as explained in Condition 4 below.

3.5 In the event that you fail to return the Opening Offer Products (at your expense) we will seek to recover the full cost of the Opening Offer and any associated postage and packing. The goods must be returned to us with all shrink wrap and packaging unopened.

3.6 If you purchase other Products before we are able to send you the Opening Offer (for example where the Opening Offer contains pre-release Products which are not available at the time of order) you may still cancel your Channel account without having to meet your obligations under the Channel Agreement in accordance with conditions 3.4 and 3.5 above.

3.7 You should let us know if you change your address as soon as you can.

4. The Channel Agreement - what you have to do

4.1 As a Channel customer, you have to buy at least 6 Products at the Channel Price.
You must buy at least one of those six Products every three months after you join. If you fail to fulfil this agreement by not selecting a Product in any one period of three months, you will then automatically agree to receive a Channel selection which we think matches your preferences in music or film taste. Your account will then be charged for the Channel selection which is sent to you.

NB: The Opening Offer, free items, sale or promotional price or loyalty price Products don't count towards the Channel Agreement.

4.2 If you don't buy 6 Products at the Channel Price within the time period set out in paragraph 4.1 above, or if you cancel your Channel account before you've bought 6 Products at the Channel Price, you'll be liable to an Agreement Fee of ?25. This covers the value of the discount received for your account Opening Offer plus the costs associated with setting up and maintaining your Channel account.

4.3 If you opened a Channel account via a "free Products plus Vouchers" offer, Products you buy with the Vouchers won't count towards the Channel Agreement. If you then don't fulfil the Channel Agreement or cancel your account before buying 6 Products at the Channel Price within the agreed Period, you'll be liable to an Agreement Fee of ?25. This covers the value of the discount received for your account Opening Offer plus the costs associated with setting up and maintaining your Channel account.

5. The benefits of a Channel Account - loyalty pays

5.1 Once you've bought 6 Products at the Channel Price within the agreed Period, you won't be charged any postage & packing on any future orders (unless your opening offer included free delivery for life).

5.2 You'll continue to get these benefits if you buy at least 3 Products in each 12 months after you've fulfilled the Channel Agreement.

6. Orders

6.1 You can place orders as described in the Channel catalogue or on the Channel Website.

6.2 We'll send orders as soon as possible, unless we let you know that we can't, for example if an item is out of stock or if you are pre-ordering a Product that is not yet available.

6.3 You must pay with your order and we will process the payment on receipt of the order. Your name and account number must accompany payments so that we can process them correctly. Please write your Channel account number on the back of cheques.

6.4 The cost of Products and information on how to pay is shown in the Channel catalogue and on the Channel Website.

6.5 As a Channel customer you'll be charged for postage & packing (at the following rates: ?1 for a single item; ?2 for multiple items ordered at the same time) until you've fulfilled the Channel Agreement. Then postage & packing will be free, subject to condition 5.2 above. If your offer included free delivery for life this clause does not apply.
6.6 We'll send a delivery note with your order confirming the cost of the Products.

7. Returns

7.1 You can return any Products within 30 days of receipt, EXCEPT those that are part of the Opening Offer or Products sent out before the Opening Offer. These must be returned within 10 working days if you decide you wish to cancel your Channel account. As long as you return Products within these time limits and you've not removed the shrink wrap, we'll credit your account with the cost of the Products, or return your payment if you are cancelling your Channel account. We're not liable for the cost of returning Products. We'll charge a ?10 administration fee to cover our processing and administration costs if you don't return unwanted Products within the time allowed, or if the shrink wrap has been removed.

7.2 If a Product is faulty or damaged on delivery, you must return it within 30 days, together with a description of the fault or damage and the information we ask for on the delivery note.

7.3 We are only liable for faults or damage that happen before delivery. In which case, we'll provide a replacement or a refund (dependent on which you ask for) and send it to you as soon as possible. We'll charge a ?10 administration fee to cover our processing and administration costs if we don't accept liability for the faults or damage.

7.4 If, by mistake, we send a Product or Products that were not on your original order you should return these within 30 days and without removing the shrink wrap and we'll send you the correct ones.

7.5 Condition 7 doesn't affect your legal rights in any way.

7.6 You should get a proof of posting from the Post Office for anything you return to us and keep it safe in case of query.

8. Legal costs and charges for late payments

8.1 If you've fulfilled the Channel Agreement but haven't paid the total balance on any statement within the set time,
you'll be liable to a late payment fee of ?5. If your payment is rejected for any reason, (by way of example only, if your cheque bounces) you'll be liable to an administration fee of ?10 to cover the processing and administration costs we incur. We reserve the right to alter these amounts. You'll only have to pay this if you don't pay the closing balance on the overdue statement by the date on our notification. If you haven't fulfilled the Channel Agreement and haven't paid the total balance on a statement by the date on our notification, you'll be liable to pay the Agreement Fee described under Condition 4.

8.2 Unless prevented by the Civil Procedure Rules 1998, if we start any court proceedings to recover money owed by you to us to legally enforce our rights under these Terms and Conditions, you'll have to pay all reasonable and legitimate costs and expenses we incur for any advice we receive on the proceedings. You'll also have to pay any court fees we've had to pay. Your liability for these costs and expenses is separate from any order the court makes for costs to be paid.

9. Undelivered Products
If we don't deliver something you've paid for, you should contact our Customer Services Department on 0870 78 78 111 as soon as possible.

10. Cancelling your Channel account

10.1 We may cancel your Channel account at any time by sending 7 days' written notice to the last address we have for you.

10.2 You can cancel your Channel account by writing to our Customer Services Department at the address in Condition 16.

10.3 If you cancel your Channel account before the Minimum Term you'll be liable to an Agreement Fee, described in Condition 4.

11. Data protection - information about you

11.1 We handle any information we have about you under the terms of the Data Protection Act 1998. When you apply for a Channel account you give us permission to give your details to credit reference agencies and to receive and hold information about you from them. These agencies may record details of our enquiry and their reply. We may also give details of how you manage your account to credit reference agencies and to other companies within our group. This information may be used to assess future credit applications, occasionally to trace debts and prevent fraud and, in the case of other companies within the group, to let you know about products or services of interest. We may also give your details to other companies with products or services we think might interest you.

11.2 If you don't want us to give your details to other companies for marketing please write to us at the address in Condition 16, quoting Department DPA.

11.3 For full details of how we use your data please read our Privacy Policy on the Channel Website, or write to us at the address in Condition 16, quoting Department DPA.

12. Intellectual property - copyright
Copyright laws apply to the Products we supply and to the artwork on the packaging. You'll be in breach of copyright law if you broadcast, copy or perform the material on the Products, or copy the artwork, without the copyright holder's permission.

13. Limitation of liability
Our liability to you for breaking any of these Terms and Conditions is limited to refunding any money you've already paid for Products that you haven't received or that you've returned within the agreed time scales and in the required condition. So far as the law allows, we won't be liable for any other loss or damages.

14. Unenforced Rights
If we choose not to exercise any of our rights under these Terms and Conditions, or we put off exercising them, this won't prevent us from exercising any of them in the future.

15. Separate Terms and Conditions
If any part of these Terms and Conditions can't be enforced, it will be considered dropped from the agreement between you and us, but all other Terms and Conditions will stay in force.

16. Contacting us
Contact our Customer Services Department at:

Channel
Roden Street, 60/70
Ilford, IG1 2XX

Telephone: 0871 222 0 111
E-mail: help@channel.com
Fax: 0871 222 0 777

17. Governing law
English law governs the agreement between you and us, described in these Terms and Conditions, and any dispute between us can only be settled by the courts of England and Wales.

Channel is a trading division of UGD UK Ltd.

Registered Office : Roden Street, 60/70 Ilford, IG1 2XX. Registered in England: 5338232
VAT number: 848 3544 96
 
 
 
: Re: Incredibles DVD
: Funtwangle 24 March, 2005, 03:38:16 PM
i had a britania account they tried the same thing
just dont answer any letters or send anything back
they get bored and leave you alone in the end
got 5 free cds out of that
: Re: Incredibles DVD
: Wils 24 March, 2005, 03:40:08 PM
I've not received this, but if I do, or I start getting similar shit in my inbox via Tharg, I shall be reporting it as spam as well and speedily removing myself from the mailing list.

Rigellion Hotshot for the Mighty One, methinks.
: Re: Incredibles DVD
: CraveNoir 24 March, 2005, 03:54:10 PM
I've received Tharg's cunting electronic filth. The current fine-print when giving Tharg your email addy reads thus:

Your details will be kept in a database and added to a 2000AD promotional email list. You will have the option to refuse further emails by following a customised link at the bottom of each one

Did Tharg bother to inform those who had already registered that he had become a whore?

There is a link at the bottom of the email which hopefully will end the spam, and not lead to a hundred times more. We'll see.
: Re: Incredibles DVD
: Quirkafleeg 24 March, 2005, 04:40:36 PM
Mr Molcher you have won a free holiday! Please come to our demonstration on ...
: Re: Incredibles DVD
: Wils 24 March, 2005, 04:51:07 PM
Heh. He'd be a 419er's wet dream.

Dear friend Michael

We thank you from the hearts of our mother that you have agreed to help us reclaim $142000000000 (one hundred forty two billion US dollars)of money that was my father's (Dr King Professor Richard Ompopo) that is currently being held by the government of Tongo.

Please now send us all your bank details and birth certificate and be arranging to meet our representative in Amsterdam as soon as possible.

I swear on the life of my twenty mothers and ninety seven children that we will not empty your account of money or kidnap you and slice your genitals off with a rusty baked bean can.

As a token of my trust, be find attaching a photograph of myself with a loaf of bread on my head.

Hearing from you soon.

Your friend and brother
Arch Deacon Phillip Mugu (Mrs)
: Re: Incredibles DVD
: Banners 24 March, 2005, 04:51:58 PM
I never got sent this (although it may have got lost in amongst my other 5000 spam-a-day), but to play Devil's Advocate...

If doing this gets a bit of money into Tharg's coffers which in turn helps 2Thou get in a few more P14 strips, or tempt an A-List artist back from the US for a stint, isn't it worth all the effort of pressing the Delete key?

M@
: Re: Incredibles DVD
: paulvonscott 24 March, 2005, 05:09:17 PM
Mbanners

Not when it's worded the way it is.  I think it should be made more obvious what exactly the deal is here.  If you don't notice the small print warning bevore clicking on the intro image, then it's not really made obvious.  I didn't notice it, but I decided to read through that small print to see if there WAS a catch.

If you think it's fine for 2000AD to make a bit more money by helping to trick it's readers into signing up to an 18 month contract to buy dvd's worth probably about ?100, then fine.
: Re: Incredibles DVD
: longmanshort 24 March, 2005, 05:12:01 PM
Harsh Lessons in Life #1,293

You can't even trust promotions by The Mighty One

My child-like innocence and faith in humankind has been shattered.

Now ... where's that sniper's rifle and map of the town centre?

:(
: Re: Incredibles DVD
: The Monarch 24 March, 2005, 05:15:26 PM
So uh to change the subject to be slightly happier have anyone else found the easter eggs?
: Re: Incredibles DVD
: Conexus 24 March, 2005, 06:07:31 PM
yes, under the stairs in the cupboard, same place mum stashes them every year ;)
: Re: Incredibles DVD
: Max Kon 24 March, 2005, 06:31:27 PM
Thank Rigell (as in hotshot) I didn't sign up.

Thargs words:

BORAG THUNGG, EARTHLETS!
I am Tharg The Mighty ? alien editor of 2000 AD, the Galaxy?s Greatest Comic ? and I write to you with this zarjaz offer! You can purchase the ghafflebette Pixar superhero movie The Incredibles on DVD for just ?2.99 (Earth money) by following the link below. It couldn?t be simpler, so don?t delay, Terrans -  take advantage of this seriously scrotnig opportunity today!


SPLUNDIG VUR THRIGG
: Re: Incredibles DVD
: ming 24 March, 2005, 08:58:41 PM
I only found one on disc 1, and about a million on disc 2 (which isn't hard as they are all in the same place on the different menu screens).

I liked dancing Mr. Incredible best, I think.

Best extra: Jack Jack Attack, without a doubt.  Flame on!
: Re: Incredibles DVD
: opaque 25 March, 2005, 05:14:56 AM
My email went straight into the Junk Mail folder which normal 2000ad messages don't.
: Re: Incredibles DVD
: Noisybast 25 March, 2005, 05:31:06 AM
Same here.
: Re: Incredibles DVD
: The Amstor Computer 25 March, 2005, 05:35:27 AM
Hm. I didn't even get one, and now I feel left out of the outrage :-)

To be honest, I think I'd be more pissed off that this mailing list was being used to promote shit "offers" like this, and not to actually promote 2000AD products. Anyone got any email about the Black Flame books? The trades? Bobbleheads? T-shirts?
: Re: Incredibles DVD
: Bolt-01 25 March, 2005, 01:27:13 PM
Mine went in the spam folder. Bad Tharg.

Bolt-01
: Re: Incredibles DVD
: Richmond Clements 25 March, 2005, 03:39:23 PM
Yup, it landed in the spam, but I only opened it because Tharg sent it.
Still deleted it at once though.
: Re: Incredibles DVD
: ukdane 25 March, 2005, 03:45:08 PM
Don't forget to remove yourself from the companies mailing list BEFORE you delete the email! (read the small print)
: Re: Incredibles DVD
: Endjinn 25 March, 2005, 04:00:30 PM
For a split second I praised tharg, then the "online book club" status hit home and I felt low.
: Re: Incredibles DVD
: therev 25 March, 2005, 04:12:21 PM
So, so low...
I'll cancel my mails from Tharg if I get anymore ad's!
: Re: Incredibles DVD
: paulvonscott 25 March, 2005, 04:18:08 PM
Too late for me, still, I've marked it as Spam, so all 2000AD mail will be delivered into my Spam folder, and Yahoo know it for the filthy spam it is.

Worse still, Channel say they may pass on your details to others.

I give it only a matter of time before automated telediallers call me up with a recorded message from Tharg asking me if I want to buy Betelguisian quadruple glazing.

The big green pimp.