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: JOE SOAP 16 December, 2011, 05:38:07 PM
(http://www.liveforfilms.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Judge-Dreed.jpg)




http://www.liveforfilms.com/2011/12/16/empire-amazing-2012-preview-cover/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+liveforfilms%2FqdPt+%28Live+for+Films%29
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: TordelBack 16 December, 2011, 05:40:28 PM
Look, it's Judge Dredd!  It's amazing just how perfectly this costume does its job.  Nice find, Joe.
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: JOE SOAP 16 December, 2011, 06:03:10 PM
A few tweaks but it's still fairly shite/low-res to work from:


(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff248/burlearth/Judge-Dredd.jpg)
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: radiator 16 December, 2011, 06:51:37 PM
Looks cool - can't wait to see it in some actual finished and graded footage! Somehow while the Stallone uniform is arguably closer in terms of design to the comic, this new one just feels much more Dredd-like to me.

I still think there's something weird about the image they chose to use for the (non subscriber) Empire cover. Was looking at it again last night and something still looks decidedly 'off' about it to my eyes - can't quite put my finger on what.
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: IAMTHESYSTEM 16 December, 2011, 06:54:11 PM
I kept reading the gas pipe wheels as part of the gun!

Looks Dreddy though. Pipes and  stuff suggest this is where they make the weird drug slo mo or what ever it's called. Course it might be the local Boots the chemists.   
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: Steven Sterlacchini 16 December, 2011, 07:18:11 PM
Looks cool!
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: Psidude 16 December, 2011, 07:25:06 PM
asked santa for a new pic got one :) cheers joe!
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: JOE SOAP 16 December, 2011, 07:47:56 PM
Ho Ho Ho, I love to empty my sack.
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: Gavin_Leahy_Block 16 December, 2011, 07:55:50 PM
Looks fantastic.
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: JOE SOAP 16 December, 2011, 07:56:18 PM
I still think there's something weird about the image they chose to use for the (non subscriber) Empire cover. Was looking at it again last night and something still looks decidedly 'off' about it to my eyes - can't quite put my finger on what.


I think that's one of the best images we got, my only problem is what's surrounding it.
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: COMMANDO FORCES 16 December, 2011, 07:57:20 PM
Lets wait till Scojo gives it his blessing before we say how much we all like it  :crazy:
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: Goaty 16 December, 2011, 07:59:05 PM
Now that looks fab! And shut up helmet moaners, his helmet does looks better!
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: Steve Green 16 December, 2011, 08:16:13 PM
Nah, I think the costume just looks better in a 3/4 view than front on.
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: dweezil2 16 December, 2011, 08:44:16 PM
Me likes muchly! :)
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: Grimmyx22 16 December, 2011, 09:17:09 PM
O my goodness! That does actually look some thing like proper. (salivates).
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: Glenn Broadway 17 December, 2011, 12:02:52 AM
@radiator - Can you point me to the pic you're talking about. I'm sure I've seen it but I didn't realise the subscribers got a different cover to everyone else.
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: JOE SOAP 17 December, 2011, 12:11:39 AM
I believe he's referring to the regular shelf copy not the subscriber copy.


Non-subscriber:

(http://www.empireonline.com/images/uploaded/empire-heroes-of-2011-cover-judge-dredd.jpg)


Subscriber:

http://www.empireonline.com/images/uploaded/empire-heroes-of-2011-cover-judge-dredd.jpg
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: JOE SOAP 17 December, 2011, 12:12:08 AM
Subscriber:

(http://www.empireonline.com/images/uploaded/empire-heroes-of-2011-cover-judge-dredd.jpg)
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: JOE SOAP 17 December, 2011, 12:13:35 AM
Ooops this is the one:


Subscriber:

(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x353/Armand32b/160/empire-dredd-movie-karl-urban.jpg)
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: Michaelvk 17 December, 2011, 01:13:43 AM
I was wondering what was going on around here lately. Things seemed to have calmed down somewhat..

..oh, apparently they were shooting some pick ups in the UK. No idea of what though..
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: JOE SOAP 17 December, 2011, 01:30:44 AM
Probably shooting the cod-piece shots they left out.
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: maryanddavid 17 December, 2011, 01:35:08 AM
reminded me of this for some reason

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_448y6kVhntg/TCfiaAWZ1fI/AAAAAAAAF9c/9F7158Wi8_Y/s1600/minnie.jpg)
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: Beaky Smoochies 17 December, 2011, 04:14:49 AM
Wow, great new pic, I presume that's from the latter part of the film wherein Dredd has it out with the corrupt Judges in the Slo-Mo production lab (which, if it plays put as well onscreen as on the page, it's gonna be pretty awesome!), the more I see from the new movie, the more utterly confident I am that DNA have nailed it, and we're all going to get the Dredd movie we've waited 34 years for... my Christmas is made now!

Interesting to hear pick-ups are being shot currently, but I'm sure that's just standard for many genre films nowadays, and if it leads to the very best film possible, it's absolutely nothing to be concerned about.

Just one last thing I feel worth saying; I'd like to thank everyone on this forum for all the discussion and back-and-forth on all things Dredd-related, since I started reading posts here (and became a member in June), my lifelong love of the big JD has been re-ignited no end - after about two decades in deep hibernation - to the point that I just ordered the first three volumes of the Complete Case Files  on Amazon, and I intend to start catching up on goings-on in the Big Meg, so thanks everyone, and keep it up, y'all rock  :thumbsup: ...

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: Michaelvk 17 December, 2011, 07:00:07 AM
Yeah, it's probably because they need little things to glue scenes together for continuity or something.
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: Psidude 17 December, 2011, 08:46:28 AM
Was scojo not crushed by Molch-r ?:D
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: Waltev 17 December, 2011, 11:28:50 AM
That is...

Spot. On.!! :o :o :o

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: Fuzzed 17 December, 2011, 04:35:04 PM
Pick-up shots? Is that mentioned in the Empire article? A friend told me she saw him in Soho a few weeks ago, so maybe that was why he was about.
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: JOE SOAP 17 December, 2011, 04:47:11 PM
Nearly every film these days that contains action scenes shoots pick-ups after the assembly edit. Sherlock Holmes recently did the same not to mention all the Summer 'block-busters'.
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: SuperSurfer 17 December, 2011, 05:04:47 PM
Looks great. I fully support what has been shown so far, but I must say I am not too keen on the lawgiver. Too big a departure from the comic version. Image adjusted to show what I mean:
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: JOE SOAP 17 December, 2011, 05:09:55 PM
I am the Plumb.
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: SuperSurfer 17 December, 2011, 05:13:37 PM
Note the 3D effect by the way.
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: vzzbux 17 December, 2011, 06:17:59 PM
EEEEEEEEE Cheeewowahh.
I is a very happy teddybear.





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: Danbo 17 December, 2011, 07:31:16 PM
Looking good and i can't wait to see him sat on the Lawmaster,now if i could just get a better look at the eagle.
Must say though the new look really has grown on me now i've had an age to get used to it.
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: Michaelvk 17 December, 2011, 10:22:58 PM
Looks great. I fully support what has been shown so far, but I must say I am not too keen on the lawgiver. Too big a departure from the comic version. Image adjusted to show what I mean:

That's the sonic mode.

I am now going to hunt you down and murder you.
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: Danbo 18 December, 2011, 08:33:08 AM
Just looks normal to me now, in fact the large pads are starting too look a little over the top?


Just a little.
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: Pete Wells 18 December, 2011, 09:32:22 AM
I really like the design. Very riot cop which, considering life in Megacity-One, seems about right.

My heart sank a bit when I saw those initial pics (the cars etc.) but I reckon there's going to be loads of CGI dressing to make it look more like the comic. I'm very optimistic.
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: Psidude 18 December, 2011, 10:09:55 AM
my mate text first thing saying check out the leaked trailer on facebook,for a second thought it could be dredd turned out it was the new batman trailer pretty cool ,but would have loved the dredd one :)
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: IAMTHESYSTEM 18 December, 2011, 11:38:43 AM
I don't think there will be any DREDD Trailer till around Easter time. I felt that the SFX bash in February would be a good time to release any Trailer since it's 2000ADS 35th birthday celebrations but Molch- R one of the Mods [who are far more in the know than any of us] said no trailer would be shown there.

So I guessing any Trailer be shown around or after the Easter Holidays.

Maybe.

Since the Film is scheduled for September release I assume that the Films Producers would want some sort of Advertising campaign even if it was only an Internet based one shown on Film Websites like Empire rather than the much more expensive TV.
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: Danbo 18 December, 2011, 12:26:17 PM
I'm guessing that it will be at Kapow in April.
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: Danbo 18 December, 2011, 12:28:10 PM
But an official website with a few wallpapers wouldn't go amiss before then...fingers crossed.
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: MR. ELIMINATOR 18 December, 2011, 06:46:09 PM
That looks totally bitchin! I can't wait to see this movie.
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: Psidude 18 December, 2011, 06:58:02 PM
were has my post gone??? :(
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: Beaky Smoochies 19 December, 2011, 05:16:44 AM
So I guessing any Trailer be shown around or after the Easter Holidays.
Maybe.

Usually, trailers are released around two months before release, so I'd expect the Dredd theatrical trailer to be released around mid-late July, which would certainly make sense as it will then be seen by the inevitable millions thronging to see The Dark Knight Rises - which is pretty much the demographic they'll be wanting to target anyway- but a teaser trailer would be nice for the Christmas/New Year period, it would certainly make a lot of people aware of the movie's existence, and get a buzz started... 
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: Emperor 19 December, 2011, 05:18:33 AM
I don't think there will be any DREDD Trailer till around Easter time. I felt that the SFX bash in February would be a good time to release any Trailer since it's 2000ADS 35th birthday celebrations but Molch- R one of the Mods [who are far more in the know than any of us] said no trailer would be shown there.

I like the idea that the Mods are more in the know than anyone else, but Molch-R knows more about it because he is Rebellion's PR droid (and because he is very tall and can see over medium-height walls).
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: IAMTHESYSTEM 19 December, 2011, 07:21:46 PM
We have to wait till summer next year is basically the jist of this. >Sob!<

Oh well  'she'll be coming round the mountain when she comes,
 'she'll be coming round the mountain when she comes,
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: JOE SOAP 19 December, 2011, 07:25:08 PM
I like the idea that the Mods are more in the know than anyone else, but Molch-R knows more about it because he is Rebellion's PR droid (and because he is very tall and can see over medium-height walls).


and toilet cubicles.


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: mogzilla 21 December, 2011, 06:46:50 PM
you asked him to peek you slut! ;)
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: CraveNoir 22 December, 2011, 01:14:13 PM
Just to say the new Empire photo is on page 75 and is tiny -- about an inch by an inch and a half. The short blurb mentions Dodd Mantle's use of negative space and extreme close ups. Nothing else new.

The new Total Film has a page on Dredd (page 76), with a photo that Empire used a few months ago.
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: The Sherman Kid 22 December, 2011, 02:10:24 PM
Total Film have issued online the top 49 films that will define 2012.Included amongst the quality  such gems as The Phantom Menace 3d, Men in Black 3 ,Expendables 2,The Muppets and Pirates in an Adventure with Scientists make the list ??!Dredd is no where to be seen.

Whoever is in charge for publicity for Dredd is either asleep or dead at the wheel.
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: Danbo 22 December, 2011, 02:25:00 PM
Feels like it's getting that way  ::) If it wasn't for Empire doing their job for them we would have nothing other than unfaltering spy shots....at least get a website together with wallpaper,bio's and a production blog or something.
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: Molch-R 22 December, 2011, 05:48:45 PM
Whoever is in charge for publicity for Dredd is either asleep or dead at the wheel.

Or biding their time so that things hit with a bang. Geez, fellas - will you give it a break?!
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: JOE SOAP 22 December, 2011, 06:00:09 PM
Some people never learn Molch. Considering the absolute bombardment of trailers and photos for next years big films, that have been flooding the web over the last week, releasing any Dredd stuff would most likely result in making less of an impact.


If it wasn't for Empire doing their job for them we would have nothing other than unfaltering spy shots



and who do you think allowed/arranged those shots to appear in Empire?





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: Danbo 22 December, 2011, 06:41:29 PM
Not even a Facebook page? Its the little things like that,that are missing.
Not all films come with a built in audience,the could be doing more and it's not a crime if some posters want a little more.
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: JOE SOAP 22 December, 2011, 07:19:05 PM
We all want more but is first quarter of next year not soon enough?

Not all films come with a built in audience


Relatively few films come with a built-in audience -most films are original scripts not adapted from properties or sequels- so Dredd marketing is perfectly fine starting in Spring for a September release.
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: Molch-R 22 December, 2011, 07:33:01 PM
the could be doing more and it's not a crime if some posters want a little more.

No-one's suggesting it is, you're perfectly entitled to *want* more. But all I'm suggesting is that you'll enjoy the build-up more if you cool your heels and stop insisting all is already lost when we're still nine months away from the first screening.
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: MR. ELIMINATOR 22 December, 2011, 07:37:06 PM
I agree with what a lot of people seem to be saying here. It seems this week all the big summer block busters have released trailers, but they have been hyping before that with social pages and the like. Dredd really need to start building an audience outside the initial fanbase if it's going to want to open well.

Prometheus had trailers for it's trailer for pete's sake!
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: Molch-R 22 December, 2011, 07:40:16 PM
I agree with what a lot of people seem to be saying here. It seems this week all the big summer block busters have released trailers, but they have been hyping before that with social pages and the like. Dredd really need to start building an audience outside the initial fanbase if it's going to want to open well.

Prometheus had trailers for it's trailer for pete's sake!

Don't confuse what massive blockbusters with pre-established built-in audiences are doing with what Lionsgate should be doing. You don't 'build an audience' with a Facebook page nine months in advance, you just talk to the same people already expecting the film. You also don't release a trailer or lots of publicity for a mid-range film at the same time as massive franchises like Batman are doing their publicity. Guaranteed way to get ignored.

And using the example of Prometheus is comparing apples and organes, really. Ridley Scott's Alien prequel vs a reboot of a British comic book character that had a crap 1994 film made about it?
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: JOE SOAP 22 December, 2011, 07:45:25 PM
Prometheus had trailers for it's trailer for pete's sake!


It's out a lot sooner and Dredd couldn't hope to compete with the sheer amount of big-studio PR in the past week or so.
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: JOE SOAP 22 December, 2011, 07:47:05 PM
I agree with what a lot of people seem to be saying here. It seems this week all the big summer block busters have released trailers, but they have been hyping before that with social pages and the like



Dredd's not a Summer block-buster and not all those films had offcial web-pages until recently.
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: MR. ELIMINATOR 22 December, 2011, 07:58:09 PM
I am not saying it should be releasing trailers now as it would have a tough time competing, but setting these sites up would be a good idea, they seemed to have benefited movies recently.

I know for sure batman and prometheus have had social sites for months.

There is a lot of people who have never heard of Judge Dredd, even the stallone one, so they need something to know he exists, like a teaser trailer, then they become interested. I think the earlier that starts to happen the better.

Take the recent film 'Drive' that was by no means a major blockbuster but it opened really well due to hype on the internet and and gained a cult following.
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: MR. ELIMINATOR 22 December, 2011, 08:00:06 PM
Also because it was pretty good.
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: Molch-R 22 December, 2011, 08:04:13 PM
Again, you're not comparing like with like. Drive isn't Dredd, and requires an entirely different marketing strategy.
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: JOE SOAP 22 December, 2011, 08:07:40 PM
Take the recent film 'Drive' that was by no means a major blockbuster but it opened really well due to hype on the internet and and gained a cult following.


That hype wasn't down to any massive official push and it only began a few months before release; as I said before it's word-of-mouth.


I am not saying it should be releasing trailers now as it would have a tough time competing, but setting these sites up would be a good idea, they seemed to have benefited movies recently.

...and it takes money -FOX/SONY/MGM- to run those social sites day-in/day-out, would you rather that money be spent on the film or running a bunch of forums? The official 2000AD forum can in some way serve that function with a push but next year is still time enough for Dredd. A New Year, a new film.
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: MR. ELIMINATOR 22 December, 2011, 08:12:23 PM
OK, ok, maybe it's just my impatience.

 
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: MR. ELIMINATOR 22 December, 2011, 08:17:42 PM
Though expendables 2 has got a website and a trailer, that is lionsgate and out only a month before dredd.
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: Molch-R 22 December, 2011, 08:19:09 PM
OK, ok, maybe it's just my impatience.

Totally understandable ;) But Expendables 2 is a sequel in an established franchise, completely different deal.
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: Proudhuff 22 December, 2011, 08:20:57 PM
(http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/7241/winnny.jpg)
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: JOE SOAP 22 December, 2011, 08:22:52 PM
I think the impatience is mostly down to the pushed back/delayed release date -end of September- probably because of too much competition in the first two quarters of 2012. If the film was to be released in the original rumoured schedule of Spring 2012, the marketing would be under way and this debate would never have arisen.
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: JOE SOAP 22 December, 2011, 08:25:01 PM
Though expendables 2 has got a website and a trailer, that is lionsgate and out only a month before dredd.


and why would Lionsgate advertise competing films at the same time?
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: Psidude 22 December, 2011, 09:23:44 PM
some good points guys Molch-R works in PR so will have a better lay of the land then most,having grow up reading dredd and living 2000ad and coming on the forum.I  think other people will be like myself and want to see dredd above films like  batman  and the avengers! the truth is we are in the minority i hope dredd can ride batmans coattails and have a hit so more cash  can be pumped into a sequel :)     
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: CYCLOPZ 22 December, 2011, 10:58:43 PM
Does the release date fall on before or after the end of the world?
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: JOE SOAP 22 December, 2011, 11:08:01 PM
Does the release date fall on before or after the end of the world?


before.
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: dweezil2 22 December, 2011, 11:19:44 PM
The latest issue of Total Film features Dredd in it's 2012 film preview with what appears to be an enhanced version of the Dredd shot that was doing the rounds last year. It's also mentioned on the cover along with an article inside recommending which Judge Dredd case files to read if you're new to Mega-City One finest lawman.
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: The Sherman Kid 23 December, 2011, 12:18:27 AM
The replies seem to be -
 #1 This film does not compare to any other film in the known universe
 #2 One guy in a broom cupboard updating a website whilst on his his break twice a day breaks all budgetary constraints.

Dredd is the greatest British comic character ever to be created (is it not?) and so the film should be an  'event' with a big build up and the marketing should reflect that.Does it?

PS The Expendables 'an established franchise'???Really?
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: JOE SOAP 23 December, 2011, 12:31:15 AM
The replies seem to be -
 #1 This film does not compare to any other film in the known universe
 #2 One guy in a broom cupboard updating a website whilst on his his break twice a day breaks all budgetary constraints.



I think you'll find no one said that.




Dredd is the greatest British comic character ever to be created (is it not?) and so the film should be an  'event' with a big build up and the marketing should reflect that.Does it?


So why don't you give the Exchequer/Arts Council a call see if they care about supporting one of their prized 'culutral icons'?
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: Spaceghost 23 December, 2011, 08:24:38 AM
Jesus Christ...JUST WAIT FOR FUCK'S SAKE.

What exactly do people think should be happening right now? I'm pretty sure the marketing has been considered and planned well in advance by people who actually know what they're talking about.

Let's all try to be patient and see what 2012 brings eh?

Happy Xmas everyone!
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: Steve Green 23 December, 2011, 09:07:17 AM
Jesus Christ...JUST WAIT FOR FUCK'S SAKE.

What exactly do people think should be happening right now? I'm pretty sure the marketing has been considered and planned well in advance by people who actually know what they're talking about.

Let's all try to be patient and see what 2012 brings eh?

Happy Xmas everyone!

Quite.

In the last 3 days we've had trailers for the big guns in the Dark Knight Rises, The Hobbit, and Prometheus.

In the same way that Dredd is being released in a less crowded market it does make sense to not release a trailer at a time when it gets overpowered by the bigger budget, more well known films.
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: radiator 23 December, 2011, 09:31:42 AM
Yeah, so sick of people comparing Dredd to The Dark Knight Rises/The Hobbit etc etc.

Dredd has a fraction of the budget of those films, and certainly doesn't have comparable resources to engage a full-on marketing blitz so far out from release.

In terms of budget, tone and ambition it sounds like it will be closer to films like District 9 and Sunshine - medium budget sci-fi action fare.
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: Eric Plumrose 23 December, 2011, 09:45:33 AM
PS The Expendables 'an established franchise'???Really?

Stallone is himself the franchise. THE EXPENDABLES is, what. Part XXVII?
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: Steve Green 23 December, 2011, 11:01:58 AM
That's a pretty good point, it's more like a collection of brands, so you're going to get the Stallone fans, the Schwarzenegger fans, the Norris fans etc.

There is a built in following there, regardless of the number of actual Expendables films so far.

People seem to forget or ignore that Dredd is pretty niche...
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: The Sherman Kid 23 December, 2011, 05:59:55 PM
Full page article on the remake/reboot of Robocop (aka Judge Dredd rip-off) in the Telegraph today.Not due to be released till 2013 ....interesting that.....
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: Goaty 23 December, 2011, 06:09:06 PM
Full page article on the remake/reboot of Robocop (aka Judge Dredd rip-off) in the Telegraph today.Not due to be released till 2013 ....interesting that.....

Yeah they got online too;

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/filmmakersonfilm/8974037/RoboCop-remake-interview-with-director-Jose-Padilha.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/filmmakersonfilm/8974037/RoboCop-remake-interview-with-director-Jose-Padilha.html)
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: Psidude 23 December, 2011, 06:23:40 PM
cannot see Robocop being a blockbuster movie like batman spiderman,more on the same level as dredd,god i feel like i am  talking old joe down come on lets hype this film up ,too much walking on egg shells dredd will take on all comers ! nice article in the telegraph to get fans talking nice bit of PR
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: JOE SOAP 23 December, 2011, 06:30:10 PM
Full page article on the remake/reboot of Robocop (aka Judge Dredd rip-off)


Yeah, but it's a bettter Dredd film than Stallone's and the new RoboCop may again retain elements of Dredd that the new Dredd has toned down or not utilised:


“The satire element of RoboCop is, I think, needed today,” he tells me. “That kind of social, aggressive satire I haven’t seen done well in movies lately. And it’s almost like the politics and violence in the world is asking for this: 'Someone please make some satire now!' So we’re going to keep that edge.”


Fassbender may possibly be playing RoboCop which is interesting cos he was my absolute first choice for Dredd; he can be intimidating and authoritarian -Magneto- is great with voice-work and hasn't put in a bad performance yet, plus at times looks like a young Clint :

(http://www.horrorphile.net/images/eden-lake-michael-fassbender1.jpg)

(http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/25200000/Josey-Wales-clint-eastwood-25240409-323-275.jpg)
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: JOE SOAP 23 December, 2011, 06:30:39 PM
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Cb4mdL5MI2A/TTRyom8uvdI/AAAAAAAAILE/O_kKpxFXHSE/s1600/Josey_Wales.jpg)
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: MR. ELIMINATOR 24 December, 2011, 06:44:48 AM
I'm glad fassbender ain't dredd. I always thought a old school actor would be best choice. Maybe one who was down on his luck, but had a cool voice and chin. Nick Nolte, Lance Henriksen, Kurt Russel, Steve Busecemi (he would be the best dredd)

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: JOE SOAP 24 December, 2011, 11:45:59 AM
I'm glad fassbender ain't dredd. I always thought a old school actor would be best choice. Maybe one who was down on his luck, but had a cool voice and chin. Nick Nolte, Lance Henriksen, Kurt Russel, Steve Busecemi (he would be the best dredd)


I can't imagine any of those guys running around a film-set in a leather uniform and helmet for 12 hours-a-day, and Steve Buscemi, really?
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: radiator 24 December, 2011, 11:57:31 AM
Buscemi? Could see him as Roffman maybe, but Dredd?  :lol:
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: Goaty 24 December, 2011, 11:59:25 AM

Fassbender may possibly be playing RoboCop which is interesting cos he was my absolute first choice for Dredd; he can be intimidating and authoritarian -Magneto- is great with voice-work and hasn't put in a bad performance yet, plus at times looks like a young Clint :

Yeah he is a finest actor, brilliant in Hunger and X-Men First Class, thought he was great in Inglourious Basterds, Centurion and 300! Worth to check out in new films Shame and Prometheus!

Maybe too late for Dredd, but could be involves in future Dredd films, thought he would be perfect as Cal?
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: JOE SOAP 24 December, 2011, 12:10:30 PM
Buscemi? Could see him as Roffman maybe, but Dredd?  :lol:


I was thinking more Fink Angel.
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: Danbo 24 December, 2011, 01:36:09 PM
Judge Death

And Fassbender for Bond,directed by Nolan.
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: JOE SOAP 24 December, 2011, 01:45:19 PM
I don't think the world needs any more Bond films.
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: IAMTHESYSTEM 24 December, 2011, 04:26:20 PM
Rob Bottins famous design for the Robo Cop suit started off as this bust. You don't need to be told what Futuristic Lawman this is based on. The design of course went through many changes but you can see how our Dreddy influenced Robo Cop and help make an American Film icon.


(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg86/ToadyCat/RobbottinsDreddbust.jpg)
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: malkymac 24 December, 2011, 04:56:40 PM
Rob Bottins famous design for the Robo Cop suit started off as this bust. You don't need to be told what Futuristic Lawman this is based on. The design of course went through many changes but you can see how our Dreddy influenced Robo Cop and help make an American Film icon.


(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg86/ToadyCat/RobbottinsDreddbust.jpg)

What a rip off! Fleetway should have sued the arse off them.
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: IAMTHESYSTEM 24 December, 2011, 06:01:57 PM
He put the Dredd head on it for inspiration so it did the trick alright.

Lot's of changes followed but you have to start somewhere.
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: JOE SOAP 24 December, 2011, 06:09:40 PM
What a rip off! Fleetway should have sued the arse off them.


Fort what, inspiration?
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: radiator 24 December, 2011, 06:28:20 PM
The similarities between Dredd and Robocop are overstated, IMO.

While Dredd was clearly an influence early on in the production, Robocop has its own thing going on, presumably what Verhoeven brought to it, not least the elements of Frankenstein in the story, and the biting satire of yuppie culture. It's also far bleaker and nastier than most early Dredd stories.
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: CYCLOPZ 24 December, 2011, 08:17:47 PM
The similarities between Dredd and Robocop are overstated, IMO.

While Dredd was clearly an influence early on in the production, Robocop has its own thing going on, presumably what Verhoeven brought to it, not least the elements of Frankenstein in the story, and the biting satire of yuppie culture. It's also far bleaker and nastier than most early Dredd stories.


By the time of production for Robocop (1986) the Apocalypse War had already happened and stories such as Letter from a Democrat were also being published.

If We're talking about Biting Satire Dredd got there first. But thank god Verhoeven was there to Direct Robocop, because it proves that kind of humour works on film.
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: JOE SOAP 24 December, 2011, 08:30:28 PM
The biggest Dredd 'take' by RoboCop, apart from the obvious man-machine dispensing law concept, is the coupling of that idea with interstitial-ad/media satire.


(http://It's also far bleaker and nastier than most early Dredd stories.)

It's nastier because RoboCop was an 80's action film aimed at adults while 2000AD was an 80's comic aimed at young'uns but the tone was copied wholesale.
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: IAMTHESYSTEM 25 December, 2011, 12:01:23 PM
DREDD strikes me as being more a straight action Movie so I don't expect too many laconic one liners or satirical side swipes at the Capitalist System.

Robo Cop wants to keep it's satirical edge though I suspect this might be promised by the Films Producers it will be quietly side lined by them. The last thing Hollywood Producers want to say to the audience during the worst economic down turn since WW2 is the system that made Hollywood Producers very rich really is shit after all. A few pops at the Banks and Big Business but then onto the Action.
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: Roger Godpleton 25 December, 2011, 03:50:43 PM
I enjoy both Robocop and Judge Dredd. I wish they could hang out together one day. Maybe I will use my imagination to help them do just that.
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: Eric Plumrose 26 December, 2011, 07:52:12 PM
The biggest Dredd 'take' by RoboCop, apart from the obvious man-machine dispensing law concept, is the coupling of that idea with interstitial-ad/media satire.

I'm not that au fait with ROBOCOP's development but that aspect seemed influenced more by Chaykin's AMERICAN FLAGG! than DREDD.
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: JOE SOAP 26 December, 2011, 08:42:04 PM
The biggest Dredd 'take' by RoboCop, apart from the obvious man-machine dispensing law concept, is the coupling of that idea with interstitial-ad/media satire.

I'm not that au fait with ROBOCOP's development but that aspect seemed influenced more by Chaykin's AMERICAN FLAGG! than DREDD.



You could equally say where did Chaykin get the idea? Dredd had been out 6 years before American Flagg. The producers more or less admitted how RoboCop started out as a Dredd film but they couldn't get the rights.

From the book Howard Chaykin: Conversations,

(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff248/burlearth/flagg.jpg)
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: Beaky Smoochies 27 December, 2011, 05:12:08 AM
You could equally say where did Chaykin get the idea? Dredd had been out 6 years before American Flagg. The producers more or less admitted how RoboCop started out as a Dredd film but they couldn't get the rights.

You mean that if they could have got the movie rights to Judge Dredd, we all could well have had a proper JD big-screen adaptation directed by Paul Verhoeven... how awesome would THAT have been (and then some)?!
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: IAMTHESYSTEM 27 December, 2011, 11:52:44 AM
There's clearly a tip you hat moment in Robo Cop when actor Peter Weller utters the immortal words 'Your move, creep.'

 Only one Lawman uses that line and it isn't Dirty Harry.  I think the Film makers really were showing their appreciation of one of Robo Cops prime source materials -2000A.d's Judge Dredd.
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: Goaty 27 December, 2011, 12:17:50 PM
There's clearly a tip you hat moment in Robo Cop when actor Peter Weller utters the immortal words 'Your move, creep.'

 Only one Lawman uses that line and it isn't Dirty Harry.  I think the Film makers really were showing their appreciation of one of Robo Cops prime source materials -2000A.d's Judge Dredd.

Of course it is! What visual of human does RoboCop got? His chin! Remind you of someone?
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: IAMTHESYSTEM 27 December, 2011, 12:35:45 PM
Verhoevan directing Judge Dredd? >sigh<

Still let's hope the team of Pete Travis and Alex Garland have done their homework. I'm sure they have.
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: M.I.K. 27 December, 2011, 03:53:28 PM
Judge Dredd, 1978...
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j260/MalcolmKirk/69.jpg)

Robocop, 1987...
http://youtu.be/TV-3PzGXTEM (http://youtu.be/TV-3PzGXTEM)
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: Angry Vince 27 December, 2011, 10:17:13 PM
Not to mention the use of ricocheting bullets in Robocop 2
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: Psidude 28 December, 2011, 11:30:08 AM
Robocop always pissed me off ! Because its just a blatant rip off,its like what Mac and me was to ET! and why talk of a new robocop film now,trying to steal Dredds thunder? :( 
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: IAMTHESYSTEM 28 December, 2011, 11:42:12 AM
Mimicry is the sincerest form of flattery. Or something like that.
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: radiator 28 December, 2011, 12:05:19 PM
Judge Dredd, 1978...
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j260/MalcolmKirk/69.jpg)

Robocop, 1987...
http://youtu.be/TV-3PzGXTEM (http://youtu.be/TV-3PzGXTEM)

Funny that you chose to illustrate your point with a cover from The Cursed Earth, which could reasonably be called a 'rip-off' of the 1977 film Damnation Alley.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c4/Damnation_Alley_1977.jpg/391px-Damnation_Alley_1977.jpg)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnation_Alley_%28film%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnation_Alley_%28film%29)

Just goes to show that everything is just a remixed version of what came before. Dredd and Robocop share some DNA, but one is not a 'rip-off' of the other. Robocop stands alone as a piece of work.
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: IAMTHESYSTEM 28 December, 2011, 01:11:32 PM
Blimey the name of the other Film Produced by the Studio that made Damnation Alley was Star Wars.

The Studio thought they'd both be flops apparently.

Hollywood nobody knows anything there after all.
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: James Stacey 28 December, 2011, 01:28:37 PM
Funny that you chose to illustrate your point with a cover from The Cursed Earth, which could reasonably be called a 'rip-off' of the 1977 film Damnation Alley.
Which as far as I can tell wouldn't have been released over in the UK till around or after the prog chosen. It might have been influenced by the book but has Pat ever cited it as an influence?
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: radiator 28 December, 2011, 02:52:25 PM
I've definitely heard Damnation Alley cited as an influence on The Cursed Earth before (either the film or novel - the wiki of which lists The Cursed Earth as an 'adaptation' of the story: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnation_Alley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnation_Alley)) - can't remember where - maybe Dredd: The Mega-History?

In much the same way that Mach 1 is very much 'inspired' by The Six Million Dollar Man.
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: Eric Plumrose 28 December, 2011, 05:40:16 PM
The biggest Dredd 'take' by RoboCop, apart from the obvious man-machine dispensing law concept, is the coupling of that idea with interstitial-ad/media satire.

I'm not that au fait with ROBOCOP's development but that aspect seemed influenced more by Chaykin's AMERICAN FLAGG! than DREDD.

You could equally say where did Chaykin get the idea? Dredd had been out 6 years before American Flagg. The producers more or less admitted how RoboCop started out as a Dredd film but they couldn't get the rights.

I'm not disputing there wasn't a direct influence; ROBOCOP's approach and style, however, has more in common with Chaykin's work on AMERICAN FLAGG! (irrespective of whatever his influences may have been) than Wagner's on DREDD. Trashy news reports and egregious TV commercials interspersing the tale of a cop clearing up corporate corruption doesn't sound much like the JUDGE DREDD I was reading even after FLAGG! hit the stands.
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: M.I.K. 28 December, 2011, 06:10:05 PM
Just goes to show that everything is just a remixed version of what came before. Dredd and Robocop share some DNA, but one is not a 'rip-off' of the other. Robocop stands alone as a piece of work.

I actually pretty much agree with that. Robocop, the film, is not a rip-off of Judge Dredd, but remove the Frankenstein/Pinocchio/Astroboy stuff and Robocop, the character, becomes a totally blatant rip-off of Judge Dredd.

Haven't read American Flagg, so can't comment on any similarities there.

Interestingly, there are a few references to "robo-cops" in some early 2000ads too, (though not in Judge Dredd).
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: A.Cow 04 January, 2012, 02:55:07 AM
Blimey the name of the other Film Produced by the Studio that made Damnation Alley was Star Wars.

... and wasn't Star Wars just a rip-off of Flash Gordon "'cos they couldn't get the rights"?  Sounds familiar...
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: TordelBack 04 January, 2012, 10:25:45 AM
Aye, and the Bible 'rips-off' the epic of Gilgamesh, and I 'rip-off' my parents every time I do this 'language' thing that I copied from them.  It's not a 'rip-off', it's 'culture'. 

The problem I have with the term 'rip-off' is that it's pejorative (and maybe that's just me misunderstanding the current usage of the word) - in my mind a 'rip-off' is where you have been deliberately misled as to what you're getting.  If Robocop was a film version of Judge Dredd (garishly outfitted judge-jury-and-executioner monk raised from birth to dispense instant justice on the streets of a 22nd C gigapolis) but  titled 'Robocop', that would have been a rip-off, because you'd have quickly discovered that you were watching a Dredd movie that juat hadn't acquired the rights. 

That the Detroit family man turned cyborg Murphy spouts Dreddish quips and has half his face covered is just making use of an existing example of emotionless future lawman.  It's a good thing. 
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: Cthulouis 04 January, 2012, 11:23:29 AM
I'm with TB Block. Let us not forget that 2000ad's (well, okay, Pat Mill's at least) original ethos was to ride the wave of everything that currently popular, just with a bit of a twist.

 Cultural ping-pong is what culture is all about [/over-simplification]
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: Steve Green 04 January, 2012, 04:13:06 PM
I'm with TB Block. Let us not forget that 2000ad's (well, okay, Pat Mill's at least) original ethos was to ride the wave of everything that currently popular, just with a bit of a twist.

 Cultural ping-pong is what culture is all about [/over-simplification]

The difference being, I don't think Robocop is enough of a twist compared to pop-culture inspired 2000AD stories, if you take it that he is raised from birth/activation with just the law/directives, with his emotions buried, it's far closer to Dredd than Dredd is to Dirty Harry, or Skizz to ET.
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: TordelBack 04 January, 2012, 04:19:58 PM
...or Skizz to ET.

Ah Steve, you're pushing it here!   :D  I know Alan says he'd never seen the film when Tharg explicitly asked him to (in this case) rip ET off, but it's a lot closer than Robocop is to Dredd, particularly in the character of the main man.  It's basically 'what if ET landed in Birmingham', but swap bikes for mopeds, and make it good - and it's still not a rip-off in my book.   
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: Steve Green 04 January, 2012, 05:41:23 PM
I'd disagree - you obviously get more inside Skizz's head than you do ET's. ET is more of a blank slate.

The film itself has parallels to the strip, him falling ill, the final rescue, but the feel of Dredd and Robocop as characters feel closer.
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: A.Cow 04 January, 2012, 07:54:07 PM
The problem I have with the term 'rip-off' is that it's pejorative [...] in my mind a 'rip-off' is where you have been deliberately misled as to what you're getting.

You would have to go and talk sense, with logic and all that, and show our foolish comments to be the nonsense that they are.  Bastard!
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: IAMTHESYSTEM 04 January, 2012, 08:50:10 PM
Tell it like you see it [ or indeed read it] A.Cow.

Photo- it's DREDD like enough for me. You could almost imagine someone like Arthur Ranson or Cliff Robertson rendering that and the SFX people bringing it too life. Maybe one day in the future that will be possible.
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: JOE SOAP 04 January, 2012, 09:49:35 PM
Rip-off or not, RoboCop certainly scuppered any Dredd film, henceforth, being original 'Dredd'.
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: TordelBack 04 January, 2012, 10:34:25 PM
Rip-off or not, RoboCop certainly scuppered any Dredd film, henceforth, being original 'Dredd'.

Ah, now there's a point I can agree with.
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: radiator 04 January, 2012, 11:18:26 PM
Not sure I buy that line from the makers of the 1995 Dredd "oh, we couldn't make it good because Robocop was too similar".

Yeah right, because Hollywood producers are so concerned with originality...
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: JOE SOAP 05 January, 2012, 12:19:54 AM
Not sure I buy that line from the makers of the 1995 Dredd "oh, we couldn't make it good because Robocop was too similar".

Yeah right, because Hollywood producers are so concerned with originality...


No, but in this case RoboCop did use-up many of the tonal/concept ideas in Dredd and considering RoboCop -an R-rated film not marketed to PG13- is a product of 80's 'Hollywood' and began as a proposed Dredd film,  would it really have been that unlikely that a real, original 80's Dredd film with the right producers wouldn't have happened?
 
The writers of RoboCop who had previously worked with '95 Dredd producer Ed Pressman at Cinergi -the company that would later produce '95 Dredd- to develop their Dredd film, admitted to Pressman that Robocop was their Judge Dredd film. RoboCop stole Dredd's thunder and put the production of the film back about 5 years. To say that it didn't force in some way the later producers/writers to go in a different direction, especially with a bigger budget and with Stallone, would be ignorant of the relationship history  those involved in both films had.
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: Beaky Smoochies 05 January, 2012, 04:46:53 AM
Wasn't another problem for Pressman, Lippincott (for it he he who held the movie rights to JD), etc, the fact they couldn't get a script they all liked?  When they approached John Wagner and Alan Grant in the early 1990's to pen a treatment, there was something like fourteen different scripts - at various stages of development - by sixteen different writers, including the Tim Hunter/James Crumley one featuring Judge Death, which if anyone has a copy of, I'd love to read it!

Hunter left the project around 1991/2 (he also left RoboCop 2  before that, interestingly), and Lippincott and Pressman (once they had successfully both alienated and dissed Wagner and Grant, to their shame) hired Peter Briggs to write a potential Judge Death treatment, and also hired William Wisher to pen a Rico treatment, with the intention of turning both over to Arnold Schwarzenegger to see which one he liked, but Briggs left because he felt they were interfering in the writing process too much, and Ahnold left because he didn't want to be under a helmet for much of the film, leaving Wisher and the Rico treatment which he handed in around February 1993, and later that year, Danny Cannon (whose debut film, The Young Americans , Cinergi's CEO Andy Vajna saw and liked) pitched the JD film as a futuristic Roman epic, which they loved, he subsequently signed on, and the rest, as they say, well you know...

From my own personal viewpoint, the only reason a 'proper' Judge Dredd movie wasn't made was because Lippincott hated the idea of Judge Death (he subsequently admitted it himself to Briggs) and steadfastly resisted it all along, the Hunter/Crumley script could have easily been revised and streamlined to make it more filmable and accessible to a wide audience, there were potential investors interested in funding the project (I believe $20million in early 1990's USD value was the budget they were aiming for), but it never got that far.  If they had pushed for it, it could have been made for the aforementioned amount, and because it would've been a relatively modest budget, it would have had a strong chance of being both a critical and commercial success, and THAT'S the real motivation among most producers and financiers when greenlighting a project, the whole "we couldn't do a proper Judge Dredd movie because of RoboCop " I don't buy, if RoboCop  began as a potential JD adaptation, why didn't Lippincott and Pressman go with that in the first place...?
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: Tiplodocus 05 January, 2012, 01:06:37 PM
the whole "we couldn't do a proper Judge Dredd movie because of RoboCop " I don't buy,
As well as not giving a fudge about originality, HOLLYWOOD also doesn't give two hhots about timing.  There are countless instances of IDENTICAL movies being released within months of each other. (e.g. Armageddon/Deep Impact or Kevin Costner Robin Hood/Patrick bergen Robin Hood, christ you've even had TWO James Bond films out in one summer)

So, no matter what they say, I also just don't buy that anyone would see ROBOCOP and go "Bugger, no Dredd for us then".

Unless, hey, these guys showed some integrity!
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: Buddy 05 January, 2012, 01:20:17 PM
I had no idea Peter Briggs wrote a Dredd screenplay... I met him a few years ago and had I known that then I'd have been all over him for info.

Nice bloke.
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: JOE SOAP 05 January, 2012, 03:25:40 PM
As well as not giving a fudge about originality, HOLLYWOOD also doesn't give two hhots about timing.  There are countless instances of IDENTICAL movies being released within months of each other. (e.g. Armageddon/Deep Impact or Kevin Costner Robin Hood/Patrick bergen Robin Hood, christ you've even had TWO James Bond films out in one summer)


If that were the case why didn't they rush a Dredd film into production after RoboCop, why did they wait nearly 10 years, 2 years after RoboCop's last sequel? I don't remember any big-budget RoboCop clones at the time. There may have been a few b-movie attempts but it's just a difficult thing to pull-off well especially in the ultra-conservative 80's. Dredd would have cost 3 times what RoboCop cost.


(e.g. Armageddon/Deep Impact or Kevin Costner Robin Hood/Patrick bergen Robin Hood, christ you've even had TWO James Bond films out in one summer)

There's a big difference, those films are an easy sell and are 'archetypes' that have box-office track records. Heroic disaster films are always a draw and how many times has Robin Hood/Bond been remade again and again? Dredd was never a sure thing becuase of the sheer expense in such a taciturn character with no easy origin story 'arc'. The struggle over a script they wrongly wanted to appeal to a broad audience hardly justified their investment and in the end it failed because the large money risk ended up homogenising the idea.



I had no idea Peter Briggs wrote a Dredd screenplay... I met him a few years ago and had I known that then I'd have been all over him for info.


He co-wrote it with his 'author' brother Andy. The Judge Death script -rejected for the first film- was to be used as a sequel if the first one was successful. The script still exists.


The James Crumley & Tim Hunter script is a catch-all mess referencing nearly everything in the Dredd universe and more: Bob Booth, Fatties; the Dark Judges, Angel Gang, Fargo, Anderson and Giant are main characters plus mutants and mutant bacteria plots. It's written for people with ADHD and would've been the most expensive film ever.


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: dweezil2 05 January, 2012, 06:44:29 PM
Could anyone on the board who has the James Crumley/Tim Hunter and the Peter/Andy Briggs scripts in PDF email them to me please, if it's no bother?

Would love to give them the once over.

Someone here a few years back was kind enough to send me the Crumley/Hunter one, but it was lost when I failed to back it up during a change of computer!

Doh!!!!
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: JOE SOAP 05 January, 2012, 08:39:48 PM
(http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/6641/crum3.jpg)


(http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3204/crum1.jpg)


(http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/6648/crum2.jpg)


If anyone wants this PM me your email address.
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: CYCLOPZ 06 January, 2012, 12:21:29 AM



The James Crumley & Tim Hunter script is a catch-all mess referencing nearly everything in the Dredd universe and more: Bob Booth, Fatties; the Dark Judges, Angel Gang, Fargo, Anderson and Giant are main characters plus mutants and mutant bacteria plots. It's written for people with ADHD and would've been the most expensive film ever.

Sounds like my kinda movie.
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: Misanthrope 06 January, 2012, 12:44:29 AM
Cheers, Joe. That was...interesting reading.
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: blackmocco 06 January, 2012, 01:29:21 AM
Yeah thanks Joe. Much appreciated. That was pretty fucking shite though. Would have been twice as expensive and twice as wrong as the '95 one. It's got like four fucking movies in one.
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: Beaky Smoochies 06 January, 2012, 02:14:18 AM
Dredd would have cost 3 times what RoboCop cost.
Dredd was never a sure thing becuase of the sheer expense in such a taciturn character with no easy origin story 'arc'. The struggle over a script they wrongly wanted to appeal to a broad audience hardly justified their investment and in the end it failed because the large money risk ended up homogenising the idea.
The James Crumley & Tim Hunter script is a catch-all mess referencing nearly everything in the Dredd universe and more: Bob Booth, Fatties; the Dark Judges, Angel Gang, Fargo, Anderson and Giant are main characters plus mutants and mutant bacteria plots. It's written for people with ADHD and would've been the most expensive film ever.

With the Crumley/Hunter script as it existed - and don't forget, it WAS only a first draft - it could never have been made, it was indeed, as Ed Pressman once described it, "unfilmable", but a serious re-write, cutting away the dead wood (and granted, there was apparently a lot of it) of superfluous characters, mega-expensive shots, and scenes that just clogged up the works, and concentrating laser-beam-like on the central dynamic of Dredd the immovable object (and representing total law and order) clashing with Death the unstoppable force (representing total chaos and lawlessness), with a budget in the $30million range, and shot somewhere like Eastern Europe or Mexico to get more bang for the collective buck, and you have a pretty solid basis there for a properly representative JD movie that wouldn't have cost the earth to produce, and would be almost guaranteed to make a profit, I mean, one of the problems they seemed to have was they couldn't get any directors to commit to the project, but they had a darn good one in Tim Hunter (watch The River's Edge  for proof), who was onboard for about four years before leaving because it was clear they didn't want to do a proper JD movie, in my opinion, Lippincott and Pressman did themselves in by not having the faith in the source material to make it the way they should have, but alas...

Just one more thing, all hail Joe Soap, the man of the hour, for e-mailing the Crumley/Hunter draft to anyone who wants it, you've no idea how long I've been trying to track a copy down, so cheers to you Joseph :thumbsup: !
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: Beaky Smoochies 07 January, 2012, 06:09:51 AM
Just having read the Tim Hunter/James Crumley script Joe Soap kindly sent me, it's pretty obvious why producers Charles Lippincott and Ed Pressman didn't go with it, it really is completely unfilmable - both in terms of cost (which would have needed to be the GDP of a small island nation to pull off), practicality (there's simply no way to pull off Death convincingly with the effects technology available to them then, on that point Lippincott was right about), and just plain quality (it's simply too uneven and overly stuffed, although that early scene in Charles Darwin Block was pure JD, but the implied burgeoning relationship between Dredd and Anderson was definitely a no-no)! 

I'll say this though, Lippincott was pretty much bang-on correct about not having Death in the first Judge Dredd movie- a move that was rightly mirrored by Alex Garland for the upcoming Dredd movie version- it's simply not a character you can introduce whilst initiating the wider audience to Dredd's world, and even then, I'm (reluctantly) starting to agree with both Lippincott and some of the posters on this forum who questioned how you could present a character like Death in a credible and convincing way that doesn't come off as corny or camp, if Dredd does well at the box-office and/or home release formats, and Alex Garland and co. decide to bring in Death for the sequel, I don't envy the challenge they face in getting it right, it could be a real case of threading the proverbial needle, but let's not get ahead of ourselves, we haven't even seen any actual footage of Dredd yet...
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: Bubba Zebill 14 January, 2012, 11:18:32 AM
I like that it looks like a functional uniform and still harps back to the earliest Ezquerra design coupled with the Bolland or possibly McMahon helmet...not sure who it was now that first stylised that visor away from rounded.

Not sure why some have a problem with the size of helmet / chin...it's all somehow reminiscent of an earlier Dredd, before the chin grew in the telling.
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: Steve Green 14 January, 2012, 05:29:02 PM
McMahon started with the rounded one at the beginning of The Cursed Earth, but it changed so by part 5 it was more flared, and Bolland continued with that...
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: Bubba Zebill 15 January, 2012, 11:18:53 AM
McMahon started with the rounded one at the beginning of The Cursed Earth, but it changed so by part 5 it was more flared, and Bolland continued with that...

Thanks. That's an example of artistic freedom (between very different artists) improving the design. I don't know any other serialised story that allowed so much variation between artists. I never understood how the artists got away with that but it certainly enriched things from a readers point of view...and I think it's pretty unique in comics (or was!). Bravo to the editors for allowing so many styles to grow their own way. It may make Dredd fans particularly well suited to seeing a variation on the theme when the character is adapted to film - up to a point anyway...cod-pieces not included.
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: junox 12 February, 2012, 07:56:12 PM
found this not sure if its a new 1
http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/7514002/1024/various/Dredd-2012---Dredd-and-Anderson4.jpg
: Re: ANOTHER DREDD PHOTO
: Goaty 12 February, 2012, 07:59:23 PM
found this not sure if its a new 1
http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/7514002/1024/various/Dredd-2012---Dredd-and-Anderson4.jpg

Urgh, that's Scojo's photoshop work  >:(
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: Michaelvk 12 February, 2012, 10:29:00 PM
There's a reason he wasn't on the production. The rest of us would've buried him in a shallow grave in the Karoo..
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: Goaty 13 February, 2012, 10:26:11 AM
There's a reason he wasn't on the production. The rest of us would've buried him in a shallow grave in the Karoo..

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