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: Things that went over your head...
: ming 09 January, 2012, 11:00:01 AM
I'm thinking of stuff like Ro-Jaws and Hammerstein (Rogers & Hammerstein), the Slavers of Drule and all those other puns and references that drifted gracefully over my head as a kid...  (Some of 'em still do.)

Anyway, I just spotted a 1949 Schlitz advert in a Grauniad New York photo gallery (http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/gallery/2012/jan/06/new-york-photography-in-pictures#/?picture=384053709&index=4) sporting the slogan: "The beer that made Milwaukee famous"...

I guess that's where the Dredd classic "The Fear that made Milwaukee famous" came from.  I live and learn!

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: The Adventurer 09 January, 2012, 11:09:54 AM
Had one happen to me just yesterday. I was at work, working. And I got thinking about the Prog 2012 Sinister Dexter story. I started wondering what kind of pun 'Ms. Deeds' was suppose to be because I know Abnett loves his Sin-Dex puns.



There wasn't a face slap hard enough when it finally clicked.
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: Spaceghost 09 January, 2012, 11:26:16 AM
Speaking of Sinister Dexter, my son has been learning about Rome at school recently and has been marching around the house pretending to be a Centurion, chanting "Sinister, dexter, sinister, dexter..."

Apparently it means 'Left, right' in Latin.
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: SuperSurfer 09 January, 2012, 11:37:34 AM
"He ain't heavy, he's my brother!" in Return of Rico seemed to me a really odd thing for Dredd to say. It was many years later when the song was used in a beer advert that I realised it came from a Hollies song.
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: SmallBlueThing 09 January, 2012, 11:47:57 AM
We had a thread about this a few years ago, but it's always nice to see if any new ones pop up. I'm duty bound to mention "Mach Zero" ("Macho") again, and to wonder if this time we'll get a conclusion to the "say Tharg's name five times rapidly" question...

SBT
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: TordelBack 09 January, 2012, 11:51:54 AM
The big one for me was not realising that almost all the Nu-Earth locations were puns on regular-Earth places. Examples:  the Ox-Arks, Dix-I and the Gasbah.  I think the penny finally dropped during a re-read of 'The Phrisco Phog'*.  Sigh.



*I didn't get out much**. 



**Still don't.
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: malkymac 09 January, 2012, 12:19:35 PM
I'm thinking of stuff like Ro-Jaws and Hammerstein (Rogers & Hammerstein), the Slavers of Drule and all those other puns and references that drifted gracefully over my head as a kid...  (Some of 'em still do.)

Anyway, I just spotted a 1949 Schlitz advert in a Grauniad New York photo gallery (http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/gallery/2012/jan/06/new-york-photography-in-pictures#/?picture=384053709&index=4) sporting the slogan: "The beer that made Milwaukee famous"...

I guess that's where the Dredd classic "The Fear that made Milwaukee famous" came from.  I live and learn!

I think I have only just realised the slavers of Drule one  ::)
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: Adrian Bamforth 09 January, 2012, 12:44:20 PM
i give up - what's the pun in Slavers of Drule?
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: radiator 09 January, 2012, 12:55:37 PM
Drule = Drool, slaver.
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: johnnystress 09 January, 2012, 01:22:01 PM
I would never have guessed that!
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: Albion 09 January, 2012, 05:51:38 PM
I recently got some goldfish and named one of them Finnigan as I wanted a fish with a 2000AD name and Mrs Albion wasn't keen on naming one Judge Fish.
Anyway...... this got me thinking it was also appropriate as fish have fins. Then I realised sharks have fins too and FINNY is a gunSHARK! Clever name I never noticed before or just coincidence?
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: Dash Decent 10 January, 2012, 10:30:25 AM
Speaking of Sinister Dexter, my son has been learning about Rome at school recently and has been marching around the house pretending to be a Centurion, chanting "Sinister, dexter, sinister, dexter..."

Apparently it means 'Left, right' in Latin.

Yes, hence 'ambiDEXTERous' means "like having two right hands".  And I seem to remember that 'sinister' got it's 'evil' connotations this way - left-handers being considered unnatural.
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: TordelBack 10 January, 2012, 10:41:34 AM
And I seem to remember that 'sinister' got it's 'evil' connotations this way - left-handers being considered unnatural.

And rightly so.  Twisted freaks!
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: ming 10 January, 2012, 11:06:50 AM
Out of curiosity, I just browsed Barney's collection of SinDex covers, and Finny might be left-handed (which would be fitting).  Depends who's on art duties, but at least three Simon Davis covers give that impression, which is good enough for me.

(http://2000ad.org/covers/2000ad/hires/1563.jpg)


(Sure there are probably more covers there where he's using his right, or both hands, but without resorting to further research I'm sticking to him being a lefty.  Facts be damned!)
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: Proudhuff 10 January, 2012, 11:49:09 AM
hats and bunnets
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: SpetsnaZ99 11 January, 2012, 09:03:32 AM
wasnt D.R. and Quinch a reference to the classic Quincy M.E.
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: TordelBack 11 January, 2012, 09:56:17 AM
wasnt D.R. and Quinch a reference to the classic Quincy M.E.

I had thought it was just a copyright-dodging variation on O.C. and Stiggs,but you might well be on to something there... DR Quinch, E. E.?
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: SuperSurfer 11 January, 2012, 02:05:09 PM
Venus Bluegenes didn't go over my head but I can't help thinking of her when I listen to 'Dirty Blue Gene' by the late great Captain Beefheart:

"She's not bad
She's just genetically mean"
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: ICONIC_TM 11 January, 2012, 02:36:06 PM
Wasnt D.R. & Quinch
More A Play On  Hitchhikers What With Planet Makers Getting Bored and using Land Masses
For Spelling Out Something Rude That Got Them The Sack From There Job In The First Place
Plus Very Very Very Loud Interstellar FunkRock Bit Like Daff Punk

Hitchhikers Is A Play On Asimov Foundation Stuff As Far As I UnderStand Anyway?
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: Emperor 11 January, 2012, 04:07:04 PM
We had a thread about this a few years ago, but it's always nice to see if any new ones pop up.

Probably this one, in which Adrian Bamforth asks for an explanation of Slavers of Drule, proof that history is cyclical:

http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php/topic,22044.0.html
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: SmallBlueThing 11 January, 2012, 04:10:44 PM
We had a thread about this a few years ago, but it's always nice to see if any new ones pop up.

Probably this one, in which Adrian Bamforth asks for an explanation of Slavers of Drule, proof that history is cyclical:

http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php/topic,22044.0.html

I was thinking of this one.
http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php/topic,25403.msg437632#msg437632

SBT
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: Colin Zeal 11 January, 2012, 04:12:39 PM
The reason why Dry Run got printed went over my head.
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: Adrian Bamforth 11 January, 2012, 06:13:11 PM
We had a thread about this a few years ago, but it's always nice to see if any new ones pop up.

Probably this one, in which Adrian Bamforth asks for an explanation of Slavers of Drule, proof that history is cyclical:

http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php/topic,22044.0.html

Where would I be if my goofs weren't studiously recorded for the ages.

I never really made the connection between Kiss my Axe!/Kiss my a** - I guess because it just sounds so good as a catchphrase on it's own.

I was always amused by the Dredd story Down on Sausage Tree Farm (Down on Jollity Farm) - proof that the best punnery is not the most accurate, but the most tenuous.
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: TordelBack 11 January, 2012, 06:36:00 PM
Probably this one, in which Adrian Bamforth asks for an explanation of Slavers of Drule, proof that history is cyclical:

Brilliant!  There's something I keep asking about on this forum, which I naturally can't remember at the moment (or ever), and every time I do someone reminds me that I've asked the same question n+1 times before, and had it answered each time... -sigh-
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: ICONIC_TM 11 January, 2012, 08:59:40 PM
Irish Pies Are Smiling!
Bet Youll Find Some Gems In Cal Hab Also After Lessons In Rab C Nesbitt Speek!
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: Emperor 11 January, 2012, 11:06:19 PM
Probably this one, in which Adrian Bamforth asks for an explanation of Slavers of Drule, proof that history is cyclical:

Brilliant!  There's something I keep asking about on this forum, which I naturally can't remember at the moment (or ever), and every time I do someone reminds me that I've asked the same question n+1 times before, and had it answered each time... -sigh-

Sadly, we all know what you are talking about but refuse to link to previous examples, as you'll forget, ask about it and we can then link back here where you've forgotten what it was the question always is.
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: SuperSurfer 12 January, 2012, 12:08:35 AM
I suppose the first stage of dealing with a problem is accepting that you have a problem.

"Dan Abnett on Puns and Triumff
People often come up to me and say, “Dan, do people really come up to you?” Also, they ask what it is with me and puns. Call me paranomasiac, but I love ‘em, god help me. Homophonic puns, homonymic puns, homographic puns, Homer Simpson puns, I can’t get enough. I love graphological puns and morphological puns, logical puns and illogical puns, polysemic puns and metonymic puns, old school puns and current puns and, at the risk of fracturing myself, I love compound puns. I can’t have too many multiple puns and as for double entendres, woof! get a load of the double entendres on that, if you know what I mean. I enjoy a good feghoot and adore a fine eggcorn. Recursive puns have made me swear more than once. I like big loud puns like the Puns of Navarone, I like hard rocking puns like Puns and Roses, and I like quiet, relaxing puns like a late Punday afternoon in high summer."

http://www.sfsignal.com/archives/2010/08/guest_post_dan_abnett_on_puns_and_triumff/

He's a pun shark. Geddit? I'll get me coat.
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: johnnystress 12 January, 2012, 09:33:30 AM


He's a pun shark. Geddit? I'll get me coat.

well done :D
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: SpetsnaZ99 12 January, 2012, 10:40:03 AM
Venus Bluegenes didn't go over my head but I can't help thinking of her when I listen to 'Dirty Blue Gene' by the late great Captain Beefheart:

"She's not bad
She's just genetically mean"

I allways thought Venus Bluegenes was an amalgam of Velvet Underground and David Bowie

Venus in Furs and Blue Jean/The Jean Genie
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: TordelBack 12 January, 2012, 10:52:10 AM
I allways thought Venus Bluegenes was an amalgam of Velvet Underground and David Bowie

Venus in Furs and Blue Jean/The Jean Genie

'Venus in Blue Jeans', by Jimmy Clanton, shirely?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsfzLZl17QE
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: Proudhuff 12 January, 2012, 11:42:04 AM
pants, over the head, not a comment on Jimmy Clanton.
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: ICONIC_TM 12 January, 2012, 11:51:46 AM
HA! Stop Calling Me shirely! boom! boom! :lol:
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: Proudhuff 12 January, 2012, 12:38:00 PM
HA! Stop Calling Me shirely! boom! boom! :lol:

Cigarette?
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: ICONIC_TM 12 January, 2012, 12:47:59 PM
Smoke And A Pancake? :lol:
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: The Legendary Shark 14 January, 2012, 01:13:24 AM
I'm ashamed to say that I only "got" the band name "The Beatles" about two or three months ago. Beatles. BEATLES. Ffs, how did I live so long and not notice that?

(http://www.deviantart.com/download/152359066/Idiot_Motivational_Poster_by_krawky398.jpg)
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: SpetsnaZ99 14 January, 2012, 09:12:11 AM
I'm ashamed to say that I only "got" the band name "The Beatles" about two or three months ago. Beatles. BEATLES. Ffs, how did I live so long and not notice that?

(http://www.deviantart.com/download/152359066/Idiot_Motivational_Poster_by_krawky398.jpg)

Youve lost me, who's Les? was he their first manager?
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: The Legendary Shark 14 January, 2012, 02:04:35 PM
Beat Les was their very first drummer.
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: Dash Decent 14 January, 2012, 11:54:57 PM
Beat Les was their very first drummer.

I love that John Lennon comment when he was asked if Ringo was the best drummer in the world.

"He's not even the best drummer in the Beatles."

 :D

Back on topic, I suppose I would have realised that GI females were called 'dolls' because of "Guys [GI's] & Dolls" if I'd thought about it long enough at the time....
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: Pete Wells 15 January, 2012, 11:54:02 AM
I can't believe I only sussed Kid Knee when reading Stronty Dog yesterday. What an idiot!
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: Spikes 15 January, 2012, 12:55:03 PM
Dredd - Dread?  ;)
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: Goosegash 16 January, 2012, 12:18:12 AM
Somehow I've only just noticed one of the characters in The Red Seas is called Billy Mackenzie, which I assume is a nod to the late great Associates frontman. Probably.

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: Gonk 16 January, 2012, 07:54:26 AM
Nemesis. Thanks to 2000ad I grew up thinking it was a masculine name, I found out much later that Nemesis was actually originally personified as a female goddess in Greek mythology.
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: Dandontdare 16 January, 2012, 12:29:55 PM
I can't believe I only sussed Kid Knee when reading Stronty Dog yesterday. What an idiot!

Kid knee...? Oh yeah! Now I get it!  ::)
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: Gonk 16 January, 2012, 12:49:24 PM
Venus Bluegenes didn't go over my head but I can't help thinking of her when I listen to 'Dirty Blue Gene' by the late great Captain Beefheart:

"She's not bad
She's just genetically mean"

I allways thought Venus Bluegenes was an amalgam of Velvet Underground and David Bowie

Venus in Furs and Blue Jean/The Jean Genie

could be both then... Big Eyed Beans From Venus/Bluejeans & Moonbeams by Don Van Vliet seem more likely though imho.
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: ICONIC_TM 16 January, 2012, 01:58:05 PM
Oh.. Thats Why They Call Him Chopper..
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: Noisybast 16 January, 2012, 03:13:51 PM
Venus Bluegenes didn't go over my head but I can't help thinking of her when I listen to 'Dirty Blue Gene' by the late great Captain Beefheart:

"She's not bad
She's just genetically mean"

I allways thought Venus Bluegenes was an amalgam of Velvet Underground and David Bowie

Venus in Furs and Blue Jean/The Jean Genie

could be both then... Big Eyed Beans From Venus/Bluejeans & Moonbeams by Don Van Vliet seem more likely though imho.

*Ahem*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_in_Blue_Jeans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_in_Blue_Jeans)
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: Roger Godpleton 17 January, 2012, 01:43:56 AM
When your mom squirted it went over my head.
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: ming 17 January, 2012, 08:04:49 AM
That's what you get for being such a shortarse, Roger.
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: Gonk 17 January, 2012, 12:02:23 PM
Venus Bluegenes didn't go over my head but I can't help thinking of her when I listen to 'Dirty Blue Gene' by the late great Captain Beefheart:

"She's not bad
She's just genetically mean"

Neil Diamond?

I allways thought Venus Bluegenes was an amalgam of Velvet Underground and David Bowie

Venus in Furs and Blue Jean/The Jean Genie

could be both then... Big Eyed Beans From Venus/Bluejeans & Moonbeams by Don Van Vliet seem more likely though imho.

*Ahem*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_in_Blue_Jeans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_in_Blue_Jeans)
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: SuperSurfer 17 January, 2012, 12:29:44 PM
I didn't know that Harke & Burr was a play on Burke & Hare – because I'd never heard of the latter.

Oh, and it didn't click until I read it, that Frank Quitely is a play on "quite frankly".
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: Cactus 18 January, 2012, 12:06:07 AM
Back on topic, I suppose I would have realised that GI females were called 'dolls' because of "Guys [GI's] & Dolls" if I'd thought about it long enough at the time....

Yup, I missed that one.  :-[ I always thought it was just because they were artificial.
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: Steve Green 26 January, 2012, 10:14:29 PM
I'm thinking of stuff like Ro-Jaws and Hammerstein (Rogers & Hammerstein), the Slavers of Drule and all those other puns and references that drifted gracefully over my head as a kid...  (Some of 'em still do.)

Anyway, I just spotted a 1949 Schlitz advert in a Grauniad New York photo gallery (http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/gallery/2012/jan/06/new-york-photography-in-pictures#/?picture=384053709&index=4) sporting the slogan: "The beer that made Milwaukee famous"...

I guess that's where the Dredd classic "The Fear that made Milwaukee famous" came from.  I live and learn!

There is actually a Schlitz sign in a panel as well...

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: Gonk 27 January, 2012, 08:52:54 AM
It always went over my head the mythological references in Nemesis. For example Brother Hades the Pandemonium player who was a Mandrake. At the time I had no idea that Pandemonium or Hades were both the same or indeed that mandrakes were a type of plant that was meant to grow under the trees used for hanging criminals.

Ace Garp - Ace Card. ::)
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: Colin YNWA 27 January, 2012, 11:19:25 AM
Ace Garp - Ace Card.

Is it... if it is I'm letting myself off that one. Though looking at that logo...
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: Dash Decent 27 January, 2012, 11:20:22 AM
...and his head is pointy like the Spades symbol, hence "Ace" of Spades???
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: SpetsnaZ99 27 January, 2012, 11:59:04 AM
I thought it was inspired by The World According to Garp. Or is that just too obvious
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: Gonk 27 January, 2012, 12:05:09 PM
But why the ace?
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: SpetsnaZ99 27 January, 2012, 12:32:51 PM
Acc Garp
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: Gonk 04 February, 2012, 11:44:38 AM
Ro - Busters, when something is tough it's called ROBUST/...(ers)

and it was also the name of a comic (Ro)... BUSTER...http://www.wackycomics.com/2011/07/buster-comic-library-29.html (http://www.wackycomics.com/2011/07/buster-comic-library-29.html)

Also I've only just noticed Devlin Waugh -- Evelyn Waugh was the author of Brideshead Revisted.

And "The Simping Detective" ---The Singing Detective a drama for television by Dennis Potter.

I'm sure others will turn up.
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: Dark Jimbo 04 February, 2012, 02:06:11 PM
And "The Simping Detective" ---The Singing Detective a drama for television by Dennis Potter.

D'oh! How did I miss that? And why do these things always seem so obvious in retrospect?
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: radiator 04 February, 2012, 02:09:36 PM
I only very recently twigged the pun in 'Central Perk' - the coffee shop in Friends - always knew it was a play on Central Park, but the 'perk', as in 'perk you up' only just clicked.
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: Noisybast 04 February, 2012, 02:15:50 PM
I always assumed it was "perk" as in percolated.
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: radiator 04 February, 2012, 02:19:53 PM
You're probably right, that makes more sense.  :-[
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: A.Cow 04 February, 2012, 02:31:55 PM
Don't rule out that it might have been used precisely because it worked on different levels.

Arthur Askey once had a gag: "My last cheque came back marked 'Insufficient Rubber'."  I love the fact it works on the level of 'rubber' being slang for money, and also on the level that it was going to 'bounce' badly.

Girls Aloud is another nice example -- pun on "girls allowed"; identifying the mouthy ladette target audience they were aiming for; and also making reference to the fact they were a female singing act.
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: Taryn Tailz 04 February, 2012, 03:33:48 PM
And "The Simping Detective" ---The Singing Detective a drama for television by Dennis Potter.

D'oh! How did I miss that? And why do these things always seem so obvious in retrospect?

I only worked this out a couple of days ago when i noticed The Singing Detective was on TV. Although I must admit I'd never heard of it before so I have the excuse of ignorance.  :lol:
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: Dandontdare 04 February, 2012, 06:09:18 PM
can't beleive I missed Evelyn/Devlin Waugh!
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: JOE SOAP 04 February, 2012, 06:10:35 PM
You're BANNED.
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: SpetsnaZ99 06 February, 2012, 05:42:34 PM
In Red Dwarf, Dave Lister likes as sport called Zero G, i think it was an homage to the Harlem heroes in 2000ad which itself was also a pun on the Harlem Globetrotters
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: Dash Decent 07 February, 2012, 10:37:42 AM
This thread is in danger of making me feel smart!

If you look at The Simping Detective, you'll see that even the way the title is written mimics that of The Singing Detective.
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: Gonk 07 February, 2012, 04:28:37 PM
This thread is in danger of making me feel smart!

I'm thinking of stuff like Ro-Jaws and Hammerstein (Rogers & Hammerstein), the Slavers of Drule and all those other puns and references that drifted gracefully over my head as a kid...  (Some of 'em still do.) I live and learn!

Try and top Ro-Jaws and Hammerstein for hidden puns then.
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: Dash Decent 08 February, 2012, 07:58:22 AM
Well, I don't want to let the cat out of the bag or anything, but in 'Rogue Trooper' you could work out (if you were paying attention to the subtle clues*) which piece of equipment each character's biochip would end up in because it was hidden in their names.


* or if you read the first ever instalment.
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: TordelBack 08 February, 2012, 08:06:19 AM
And did you know that the names of the Aux's in Kingdom... etc.
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: Noisybast 08 February, 2012, 08:30:19 AM
Strontium Dog had its fair share of groaners, too. In addition to the aforementioned "Slavers of Drule" and "Kid Knee", I give you "Mm-mm-Mattezon's", "Dobie Zitch", "Planet Blas, way out in the Gallego System", "Carrington Crystal", "No Cure for Kansyr", "Rita Duckworth" "Stone Killers" and many, many more.
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: Gonk 08 February, 2012, 10:18:46 AM
Plus the fact one whole story seems to be based solely on Dantes' Inferno. And let's not forget Stix.
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: Ghastly McNasty 08 February, 2012, 10:20:52 AM
Not until last year did I twig that Diagon Alley from Harry Potter is the direction Diagonally.  ::)
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: CrazyFoxMachine 08 February, 2012, 10:26:13 AM
Not until last year did I twig that Diagon Alley from Harry Potter is the direction Diagonally.  ::)

But...they even point that out in the story.
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: Gonk 08 February, 2012, 10:56:10 AM
It obviously went over his head crazyfox...
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: Ghastly McNasty 08 February, 2012, 11:09:53 AM
But...they even point that out in the story.

Must have glazed over during that bit.

It obviously went over his head crazyfox...

Indeed
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: Dash Decent 08 February, 2012, 11:26:56 AM
Strontium Dog had its fair share of groaners, too. In addition to the aforementioned "Slavers of Drule" and "Kid Knee", I give you "Mm-mm-Mattezon's", "Dobie Zitch", "Planet Blas, way out in the Gallego System", "Carrington Crystal", "No Cure for Kansyr", "Rita Duckworth" "Stone Killers" and many, many more.

I've got to admit I love all that stuff - "Next prog: Dog-gone!", the Chums of Dennis singing "Chum-chum-cheree" etc, etc.
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: Dandontdare 08 February, 2012, 12:00:28 PM
Strontium Dog had its fair share of groaners, too. In addition to the aforementioned .... I give you  ...."Dobie Zitch" ..... "Planet Blas, way out in the Gallego System",

Nope - still don't get these two.
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: ming 08 February, 2012, 12:19:53 PM
Strontium Dog had its fair share of groaners, too. In addition to the aforementioned .... I give you  ...."Dobie Zitch" ..... "Planet Blas, way out in the Gallego System",

Nope - still don't get these two.

Blas Gallego (here there be scantily clad ladies, by the way):
http://www.blasgallego.com/illustration/illustra.htm

The other one - er, crotch rot, to you.
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: I, Cosh 08 February, 2012, 12:28:34 PM
Strontium Dog had its fair share of groaners,..."Planet Blas, way out in the Gallego System"
Nope. I still don't get this one. Explanation?
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: ming 08 February, 2012, 12:34:04 PM
Strontium Dog had its fair share of groaners,..."Planet Blas, way out in the Gallego System"
Nope. I still don't get this one. Explanation?

Blas... Gallego...

A reference to the artist linked to above.

(not that I'd heard of him at the time I started reading Strontium Dog, mind)
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: Dandontdare 08 February, 2012, 02:16:11 PM
aha, you learn something new every day! Hadn't heard of this artist before.
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: SpetsnaZ99 08 February, 2012, 02:40:55 PM
Didnt he do the movie poster for Heavy Metal

   (http://{http://www.cityonfire.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/17917_front.jpg})
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: Hoagy 11 February, 2012, 11:25:26 AM
Do you know? K9 went over my head for years.
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: ming 21 February, 2012, 11:08:56 AM
Sorry if this already got a mention...

Ace Trucking (according to the Wiki):

The title was lifted from a 1970s improvisational comedy group whose membership had included Fred Willard, Patti Deutsch and Bill Saluga.

Who knew?  Not me.
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: Proudhuff 21 February, 2012, 11:16:48 AM
Five years ago, my Dredd t-shirt: 30 years of hurt, not being an Football fan nor an Englander, this had to be explian to me very recently   
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: James Stacey 21 February, 2012, 11:21:42 AM
not being an Football fan nor an Englander can you explain ?
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: Proudhuff 21 February, 2012, 11:32:49 AM
I was told it was the words to an English football team song recorded with that Baddel chap, could have been a wind up for all I know  :-[
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: James Stacey 21 February, 2012, 11:35:53 AM
football mostly goes over my head so I'll just nod :)
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: Proudhuff 21 February, 2012, 11:36:49 AM
football mostly goes over my head so I'll just nod :)

so your a goalie?
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: SpetsnaZ99 21 February, 2012, 01:38:01 PM
I was told it was the words to an English football team song recorded with that Baddel chap, could have been a wind up for all I know  :-[

David Baddiel and Frank Skinner's  3 lions
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: Third Estate Ned 21 February, 2012, 05:49:32 PM
Back on topic, at the time I was too young to get the pun in "Gasbah" in Rogue Trooper. Later on I thought it was just a pun on the Clash song. Years later found out what a casbah was. I'm thick like that.
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: M.I.K. 21 February, 2012, 06:08:51 PM
Might as well point this out again...

In Bad Company - bloke keeping a diary is Danny Franks.
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: Dandontdare 21 February, 2012, 07:15:57 PM
Might as well point this out again...

In Bad Company - bloke keeping a diary is Danny Franks.

oh for f,,, so it is.  :-[
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: Spikes 01 March, 2012, 07:18:57 PM
Talking of Bad Company, and as a massive Clash fan it never went over my head, but Joe Scummer - Joe Strummer.
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: Greg M. 01 March, 2012, 07:23:23 PM
Talking of Bad Company, and as a massive Clash fan it never went over my head, but Joe Scummer - Joe Strummer.

Huh. That never once occurred to me, and I'm really fond of that character (despite the fact we basically know nothing about him - he's got such a cool look.)
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: JayzusB.Christ 01 March, 2012, 09:30:36 PM
Might as well point this out again...

In Bad Company - bloke keeping a diary is Danny Franks.

Oh for fuck's sake, I can't believe I never copped that one.
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: Onlyverysmall 01 March, 2012, 10:07:01 PM
In Prog 500 there were pages written and drawn by past masters with many in-jokes. One that for some reason always stuck with me was on the page drawn by Ian Gibson which I think was written by Alan Moore; one character says "Umberto what?". The only Umberto I know of is Eco, does anyone know the relevance of this?
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: Emperor 08 March, 2012, 07:58:03 PM
The penny just dropped on Slabhead the Strontium Dog (slaphead). Of course, it is possible it occurred to me before and didn't stick, but I'd be just using that as a figleaf to try and preserve my modesty, when we know I'd need a dirty great big figleaf (to cover up my oblivious ignorance, not my winkle, as I'm hung like a mouse*).

Might as well point this out again...

In Bad Company - bloke keeping a diary is Danny Franks.

Oh for fuck's sake, I can't believe I never copped that one.

Me neither.

* But I can still make Roger's mom squeak**

** Although that might be the cheese***

*** Or she just needs a good oiling****

**** Oh never mind, I could go on all night*****

***** Nope must leave it there
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: maryanddavid 08 March, 2012, 10:55:18 PM
"Umberto what?".

Gibson used Q.Twerk 'cute work' and Umberto, (IIRC that was his mothers maiden name)as a pseudonym for his work.

David
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: I, Cosh 08 March, 2012, 11:15:43 PM
Blakee Pentax.

I'm still not really sure what it's supposed to mean although I have a suspicion it's "break." I used to think it must be "black" because that's what colour cameras were.
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: maryanddavid 09 March, 2012, 12:02:09 AM
Gibson used Q.Twerk 'cute work' and Umberto
Mayby Emberton.
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: Onlyverysmall 09 March, 2012, 01:16:21 AM
Gibson used Q.Twerk 'cute work' and Umberto
Mayby Emberton.

Thank you SO much for scratching that itch, I appreciate it.
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: Trout 09 March, 2012, 01:41:15 AM
Blakee Pentax.

I'm still not really sure what it's supposed to mean although I have a suspicion it's "break." I used to think it must be "black" because that's what colour cameras were.

Yeah, it's break.
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: ming 09 March, 2012, 11:18:04 AM
Well I used to think it was just going on about someone called 'Blake Pentax'...  :-[

 :)
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: SpetsnaZ99 09 March, 2012, 02:24:51 PM
Blakee Pentax

is not to do with 'On The Buses'?
wasn't there an episode where the inspector tried to photograph the staff when they weren't working
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: SmallBlueThing 09 March, 2012, 02:55:22 PM
No, its just a very funny, borderline racist, gag of the sort you probably wouldnt do today- blakee= 'break' spoken in japanese accent, 'pentax'= type of camera. Japanese tourists were often depicted photographing everything that moved, and most things that didnt, at the time.

Its a seminal panel- i cant hold my own camera or watch someone else hold it, without thinking or saying 'aieeee, no blakey pentax' to this day.

SBT
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: SpetsnaZ99 10 March, 2012, 09:04:42 AM
In Slaine, the quote 'He didn't think it too many'.
Was this linked to a hymn i used to sing in junior school. I cant remember the title but i think it was about Samson, a couple of lines went "with the jaw bone of an ass he slew a thousand men, and the next day he did it all again" (i think)...
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: Spikes 10 March, 2012, 12:44:42 PM
Just been checking out the 2000ad art over on the CAF site, and i was reminded of the Cam Kennedy drawn story from Prog 440 - Magnificent Obsession, which i always thought was a play on Orson Welles The Magnificent Ambersons
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: JOE SOAP 10 March, 2012, 12:52:21 PM
and I thought it was a play on Douglas Sirk's Magnificent Obsession (1954)
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: Spikes 10 March, 2012, 01:58:14 PM
Oh dunno then. If it is from the Douglas Sirk film, then by copying exactly its not the best play on words is it.

Always thought it was a nod and a wink to Orson's film because they both dealt, to a degree, with family.
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: Mardroid 10 March, 2012, 03:01:35 PM
I'm not sure this counts, but I often wondered why most of the Judges' armour seems to be in the shoulder area. Okay, I suppose it's possible the fibre of the main uniform itself might have protective qualities but all the thick stuff is on the shoulders rather than on the chest where.. you know... the majority of vital organs are stored. (Okay it partly covers the chest but not enough to constitute proper protection.)

Then one day it hit me. It's not so much to protect a judge from bullets, although it no doubt does help an off-centre shot. It's motorcycle gear to protect the judge if he/she goes flying over the handlebars! Obviously that's the best place for such armour in that eventuality.

Mind you, Johnny Alpha's gear seems to be primarily shoulder based too, and while he will often pilot a skimmer, it's not really his modus operandi, so maybe Mr Ezquerra just likes big shoulder pads. Then again Alpha's shoulder armour is a lot more extensive than the judges' covering more chest area, at least on one side.
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: BPP 10 March, 2012, 03:04:43 PM
"Judge Mandroid, the good news is your armour saved you from the crash's impact. The bad news is that you now have an Eagle embedded two inches into your shoulder blade.'
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: Mardroid 10 March, 2012, 03:09:20 PM
"Judge Mandroid, the good news is your armour saved you from the crash's impact. The bad news is that you now have an Eagle embedded two inches into your shoulder blade.'

Heh. I've often thought that eagle was a bit too pointy too, although it looks good. That's one thing I'm glad they changed in the new film.
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: vzzbux 11 March, 2012, 08:13:06 PM
"Judge Mandroid, the good news is your armour saved you from the crash's impact. The bad news is that you now have an Eagle embedded two inches into your shoulder blade.'

Heh. I've often thought that eagle was a bit too pointy too, although it looks good. That's one thing I'm glad they changed in the new film.
If it welds itself to your nervous system perhaps it could help you fly, Controling you, making your muscles twitch in all sorts of ways to enable you to soar through the air. They could call you Eagle Angel.




V
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: Richmond Clements 11 March, 2012, 08:20:16 PM
it's not really his modus operandi, so maybe Mr Ezquerra just likes big shoulder pads.

Artists don't like drawing shoulders and elbows and knees.
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: Jedit 12 March, 2012, 12:15:05 AM
In Slaine, the quote 'He didn't think it too many'.
Was this linked to a hymn i used to sing in junior school. I cant remember the title but i think it was about Samson, a couple of lines went "with the jaw bone of an ass he slew a thousand men, and the next day he did it all again" (i think)...

Nope.  It's straight out of Celtic legends, where the hero engaged on a slaying spree will kill X people and never think it too many. 

My personal favourite Celtic death count belongs to a guy who called for his harp in a battle.  It promptly flew to his hand, killing seven men as it came
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: Onlyverysmall 12 March, 2012, 12:29:10 AM
Was that in the Mabinogion, Jedit (I leant my copy and didn't get it back, grr)?
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: Onlyverysmall 12 March, 2012, 12:31:01 AM
I lent it too...
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: Pete Wells 29 July, 2012, 02:07:05 PM
Oh Drokking hell! Futsie = Foostsie!!!

How on earth did I miss that!?!
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: TordelBack 29 July, 2012, 02:29:39 PM
Oh Drokking hell! Futsie = Foostsie!!!

I have no idea what a Foostsie is, and Google is being absolutely no help.  If, perchance, you meant Footsie, I still don't get it.

Futsie = Future Shock Sufferer, no?
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: JOE SOAP 29 July, 2012, 02:30:11 PM
I can only ask, what the hell did you think it was?


Futsie = Future Shock or FTSE (footsie): the UK share index futures.
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: TordelBack 29 July, 2012, 02:51:03 PM
Never made that connection. Indeed, I'm very dubious that there is (an intentional) one.
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: Pete Wells 29 July, 2012, 04:42:17 PM
Christ, I even spelt that wrong!

Right, so futsie = footsie (like playing saucily with your feet.) However, from some reason I always read it as Fustie and have only read it correctly today. Whodathunk?
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: hippynumber1 29 July, 2012, 04:51:01 PM
Isn't a 'Fustie' just a very old man?! :lol:
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: JOE SOAP 29 July, 2012, 04:51:59 PM
I always read it as footsie but I don't think there was ever a correct phonetic put forth and I see nothing wrong with fu-tsie since that's how it's spelt.
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: Frank 29 July, 2012, 09:11:18 PM
Christ, I even spelt that wrong! Right, so futsie = footsie (like playing saucily with your feet.) However, from some reason I always read it as Fustie and have only read it correctly today. Whodathunk?

Stallone and Cannon thought MC1 was surrounded on three sides by The Curs't Earth (rather than Curs-ed), which made me question whether I'd been reading that wrongly all those years- for all I know I have. Pat Mills is the cause of much confusion: a childhood pal used to make reference to Hammer-steen and Mee-Quake, and I've never felt the need to call Shlawn-ye by his 'proper' name.

It took me ages to realise that Pat Wagons were so-named in reference to the supposedly inveterate criminality of the Irish.
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: Trout 29 July, 2012, 09:14:46 PM
I thought Pat Wagons was a reference to Paddy Wagons, themselves reflecting that so many Irishmen joined police forces in the US.
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: ming 29 July, 2012, 09:15:11 PM
It took me ages to realise that Pat Wagons were so-named in reference to the supposedly inveterate criminality of the Irish.

I'd always assumed that the Pat in 'Pat Wagon' was short for 'Patrol', but there y'go.

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: JOE SOAP 29 July, 2012, 09:22:13 PM

It took me ages to realise that Pat Wagons were so-named in reference to the supposedly inveterate criminality of the Irish.




I thought Pat Wagons was a reference to Paddy Wagons, themselves reflecting that so many Irishmen joined police forces in the US.




Both are true and correct.
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: I, Cosh 29 July, 2012, 09:23:31 PM
Christ, I even spelt that wrong! Right, so futsie = footsie (like playing saucily with your feet.) However, from some reason I always read it as Fustie and have only read it correctly today. Whodathunk?
Stallone and Cannon thought MC1 was surrounded on three sides by The Curs't Earth (rather than Curs-ed), which made me question whether I'd been reading that wrongly all those years- for all I know I have.
It is and you have.
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: JOE SOAP 29 July, 2012, 09:30:21 PM
I always went with Curs-ed.
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: hippynumber1 29 July, 2012, 09:50:36 PM
I always read it as cursed, rather than curs-ed!
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: The Adventurer 29 July, 2012, 09:59:29 PM
I started reading it at Curs't. But now pronounce it Curs-ed.

I've always pronounce Futsie as 'fff-you-tsie'. As in the first syllable of 'Future'
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: Spikes 29 July, 2012, 10:04:06 PM
I started reading it at Curs't. But now pronounce it Curs-ed.

Same here, though 30 odd years of doing it one way is a hard habit to break.
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: Trout 29 July, 2012, 10:10:08 PM
Progue.
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: The Adventurer 29 July, 2012, 10:15:34 PM
Progue.

prague
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: TordelBack 29 July, 2012, 10:29:19 PM
Forgot to mention that in my recent reading of The Treasures of Britain I finally got  to see the bit where Pat lays down the law on pronounciation of Sláine.  In his musical interlude. Ukko rhymes 'Sláine' with 'pain', then Nest points out that it should be pronounced 'slauncher', rhyming it with 'torture'.  Ukko then observes that this a matter for future generations to ponder.  That's us told!
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: QuickQuag 30 July, 2012, 11:02:52 AM
It was a few years before I understood the Helltrekkers 'next week' caption that inspired my username.

"Slow, Slow, Quick-Quag, Slow"
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: radiator 30 July, 2012, 11:20:05 AM
Never saw the little Dredd face hidden in the J of the old school Dredd logo until someone pointed it out on this board.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_49Qd6oXQ1t0/TSKJUfvUmbI/AAAAAAAAAP4/vWIH8DQgcQU/s1600/DSC_3383.JPG)
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: Mardroid 30 July, 2012, 03:21:29 PM
For some reason, when I first saw that 'J' it actually reminded me of Hammerstein. I'm not sure why, as it doesn't look much like him at all.
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: Frank 30 July, 2012, 07:09:02 PM
Stallone and Cannon thought MC1 was surrounded on three sides by The Curs't Earth (rather than Curs-ed), which made me question whether I'd been reading that wrongly all those years- for all I know I have.

It is and you have.

You've got to think Alan Grant and John Wagner used the same pronunciation- unless that's why they couldn't keep working together- so you'd also think the audio on the clip below would settle the matter ... but it doesn't. Grant opts for Curst, but incorporates a glottal stop between the 's' and the 't' that gives it the same rhythm as Curse-ed. Because Cursd just sounds wrong (see the 1995 film).

Unless I'm mistaken, it was Mills who named the previously anonymous 'radiation desert' that had been mentioned (and shown in a limited form) in earlier issues. If anyone can be bothered trawling through that 3 hour ECBT2000ad podcast to find mention of Mills's protean Dredd epic they can claim the glory as their own.

GLOTTAL STOP YER CARRY ON (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UrWxWGFH8w) (2m 05s)
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: Skullmo 31 July, 2012, 03:01:34 PM
The Garth Ennis story Death Aid, is a pun on Live aid but also on the old name for a hearing aid as a 'deaf aid'.
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: Skullmo 31 July, 2012, 03:03:10 PM
It was a few years before I understood the Helltrekkers 'next week' caption that inspired my username.

"Slow, Slow, Quick-Quag, Slow"

I don't get this?!
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: QuickQuag 01 August, 2012, 11:34:57 AM
It's a dance move (the Tango, I think) "Slow, slow, quick - quick slow".

In my defence m'lud I was only a kid, and I still can't dance for toffee!  ;)
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: Skullmo 01 August, 2012, 01:49:21 PM
It's a dance move (the Tango, I think) "Slow, slow, quick - quick slow".

In my defence m'lud I was only a kid, and I still can't dance for toffee!  ;)


Ahhhhh ! Now i get it!

D'oh!
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: glassstanley 01 August, 2012, 11:15:46 PM
Only just realised that Blackblood is named after the robot oil he drinks.
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: Hoagy 04 August, 2012, 10:49:27 PM
It has to be said; When Jessop Hammer is assembling hisc Iron Man drones at the Stark Expo and makes the comment that press have a real big problem that day, that they'd run out of ink, got me wondering what the fuck he was talking about. It gets me every time. But it's rewarding working it out just before the audience in the Expo theatre. But, it gets me every time hehe.
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: QuickQuag 10 November, 2012, 01:26:03 AM
Good lord I have a new one.

Twenty years after the ABC Warriors enter a pub called The Piston Broke (Khronicles of Khaos) the penny finally drops as to why Pat insisted on drawing attention to the establishment's name.

I always thought it an odd name, but I should have worked it out at the time - I was a student after all!
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: o1s1n 10 November, 2012, 03:51:51 AM
Never saw the little Dredd face hidden in the J of the old school Dredd logo until someone pointed it out on this board.


Holy shit! I've been looking at that logo for 20 years and have never noticed that.
Mind=blown  :o

If you're going by the Irish Gaelic pronunciation, Sláine is 'slawn-ye' (that's as anglicised as I can make the phonetics! Press the play button on this page to hear someone say it.

http://www.forvo.com/word/sl%C3%A1ine/

Always called him 'Slain' myself though. And this is coming from an Irish person living in Clontarf  :D
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: ming 29 November, 2012, 10:26:59 AM
Could the famous trousers of Yess have been inspired by John Lennon?  You decide...

(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Arts/Arts_/Pictures/2012/11/28/1354126744480/Yoko-Ono-Collection-for-O-011.jpg)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/2012/nov/28/yoko-ono-fashion-line-john-lennon
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: SmallBlueThing 09 December, 2012, 01:19:14 AM
Unsure if im in the right thread here, as i think we used to have one for things we'd always assumed were one thing but really were another. Besides, im narked because im reduced to checking the board on my phone meaning i can read the advent calender comments thread, but havent been able to see the actual advent thread for DAYS. Fuckabollocks!
Anyway...
Reading H P lovecraft's 'The Colour Out Of Space' this evening, one of the characters refers to poison as "pizen". So, I ask you: aside from wondering if this is where Wagner and Grant lifted Fink's preferred description of his killing method from, have you like me been pronouncing it "pizzen" your whole life, and not a New England accented "pie-zen"?

SBT
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: Dash Decent 09 December, 2012, 02:58:55 AM
I've always read it in my head as 'pizzen', though I knew it was a dang local accent pronunication of poison.
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: Frank 09 December, 2012, 10:23:55 AM
I've always read it in my head as 'pizzen', though I knew it was a dang local accent pronunication of poison.

Given that the Angel family are much more likely to root for the Cowboys and the Longhorns than the Patriots, I think we can all carry on reading Fink's dialogue as a redneck Pizzen. rather than a Southie PAAAIII-z'n. The West Country and Cornwall might have shaped New England voices. but most hicks South of the 40th parallel follow the pronunciation models of their Scots-Irish forebears, and Wagner and Grant were presumably referring to the speech patterns of the older generation of Scots who brought them up as much as they were to Gabby Hayes (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7koigiUq7GE) and Walter Brennan (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuLC07TbQTw).

It always cracked me up when John Wayne went on about his Paw as if he was in an episode of The Broons (http://).
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: SmallBlueThing 09 December, 2012, 10:38:51 AM
'pizzen' though, would have two 'z's, no matter where you were from.

SBT
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: Frank 09 December, 2012, 11:33:10 AM
'pizzen' though, would have two 'z's, no matter where you were from.

Nouns like Quiz, which end in a z, take on an extra z when functioning as a verb, but the word poison (for example) takes on neither an extra n nor an extra s as part of its transformation into gerund form. The closest analogue I can think of in formal English for a bit of patois such as pizen/pizening is wizen/wizening.
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: Noisybast 09 December, 2012, 12:11:14 PM
Always read it as "pie-zen".
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: FinH 10 December, 2012, 04:23:17 AM
I always read it as "pie-zen" too, because some regional US dialects pronounce it like that, whereas nobody says "pizzen".
I always had a pretty clear voice in my head for what Fink sounded like - possibly more so than any other character. Kind of raspy and harsh but at the same time purring and soft
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: WhitBloke 11 December, 2012, 03:53:23 PM
Worryingly, all of my rereads of Fink stories in recent years have been vocal-acted by The Crack Fox from The Mighty Boosh.  Not so much an 'over my head' thing as a 'get the drokk out of my mind!' thing.
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: M.I.K. 11 December, 2012, 04:50:57 PM
I'd say it's a bit more like 'puy-zin' than 'pie-zen'. I don't think anybody in the history of anything anywhere has ever called poison 'pizzen', (and I've heard a number of folk use the puyzin/piezen pronunciation in this neck of the South East Scottish woods).

Nouns like Quiz, which end in a z, take on an extra z when functioning as a verb, but the word poison (for example) takes on neither an extra n nor an extra s as part of its transformation into gerund form. The closest analogue I can think of in formal English for a bit of patois such as pizen/pizening is wizen/wizening.

You should not attempt to apply correct grammatical form to accents/dialect. That way lies madness.
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: radiator 11 December, 2012, 05:06:05 PM
The 'Barry Penge' thing. Is that from something I should know?
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: Dandontdare 11 December, 2012, 05:34:29 PM
It's Mr Overdrive's real name from Low Life, which Dirty Frank taunts him with - "Big Barry Penge! Big Barry Penge!""
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: radiator 11 December, 2012, 06:24:20 PM
Cool. I knew it was from Lowlife, but thought it was a reference to something else!
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: FinH 12 December, 2012, 12:10:05 AM
Worryingly, all of my rereads of Fink stories in recent years have been vocal-acted by The Crack Fox from The Mighty Boosh.  Not so much an 'over my head' thing as a 'get the drokk out of my mind!' thing.

"Ta gits that Nazi man Dredd, ah'm gonna need mah paralyzin' poison an' mah squishy boots!"
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: WhitBloke 12 December, 2012, 03:06:30 AM
That's it.  My Fink-reading brain is now officially bended.  But I am certain I know what his pizens are made from.  Blood from a cat's face and shit... lots and lots of shit.

Oh.  Wait.  Wrong forum.   :-\
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: Dash Decent 12 December, 2012, 11:19:58 AM
Should we get in early and point out the "Arab Spring" connection to "Mutant Spring"?
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: SuperSurfer 03 January, 2013, 02:58:57 PM
Pat wagon = patrol wagon.

Dumb, I know.

Only clicked few days ago when I was catching up on reading backlog of stuff such ad Case Files 2!
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: Buttonman 03 January, 2013, 06:24:26 PM
A newcomer to 'Breaking Bad' explained to me the meaning of bent lawyer Saul Goodman's name.

Seemingly 'It's all good, man'.
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: JayzusB.Christ 03 January, 2013, 07:50:07 PM
Halo's mate Toy was a lesbian.  Seems so obvious now.  Did I mention this before?
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: Skullmo 09 January, 2013, 03:09:15 PM
That America was satire.

Bash those dirty domeocrats Dredd!
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: mididoctors 09 January, 2013, 04:49:15 PM
In The Robohunter story Verdus there is a pastiche of bilbo baggins meeting gollom
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: Dandontdare 09 February, 2013, 12:06:49 AM
thanks to a BBC4 doc, I only just found out that "Mr Mojo Rising" from LA woman is an anagram of Jim Morison.

This followed a superb Pink Floyd doc, so I'm wallowing in old cool music right now.
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: Frank 19 March, 2013, 06:06:05 PM

In Mandroid, the name of the wife who ends up as an automaton with no mind of her own is called Katherine Rosson.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fe/Stepfordwivesposter.jpg/225px-Stepfordwivesposter.jpg)

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: Hoagy 22 March, 2013, 12:47:31 PM
It is good to know 2000ad remains deep down, subversive and readers still notice.
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: Proudhuff 22 March, 2013, 01:04:02 PM
New Rose by the Damned  ::)
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: Hoagy 22 March, 2013, 01:06:01 PM
What's that about again Huffster? I got illuminated on it once and it clicked, but for the life off me I can't remember what it is.
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: Proudhuff 22 March, 2013, 01:08:51 PM
its a really,really cunning word play that went over my young head.. until years later when it finally clicked!!
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: WhizzBang 22 March, 2013, 03:19:29 PM
thanks to a BBC4 doc, I only just found out that "Mr Mojo Rising" from LA woman is an anagram of Jim Morison.

No it isn't. There is no 'G' in 'Jim Morison' and there is only 1 'r'.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: James Stacey 22 March, 2013, 03:25:11 PM
There is if its spelt Mr. Mojo Risin as he spelt it and you also spell his surname with 2 r's like he did.
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: hippynumber1 22 March, 2013, 03:34:49 PM
It is if you spell it 'Mr. Mojo Risin'  ;)
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: hippynumber1 22 March, 2013, 03:35:37 PM
Oops!
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: radiator 25 March, 2013, 03:26:28 PM
Judge Ocks = Ox.

Only twigged that recently!
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: Ghastly McNasty 25 March, 2013, 05:10:49 PM
After first reading of it a couple of years ago, I only recently got the Lou Scannon gag.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 25 March, 2013, 07:14:36 PM
Some judge's comment at the end of Dredd in Cardboard City - 'Guess that's how you solve a problem like Maria.'  Funny how judges have a casual knowledge of 120-year-old musicals, but it was a great line now that I understand it.
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: Richmond Clements 25 March, 2013, 07:26:05 PM
After first reading of it a couple of years ago, I only recently got the Lou Scannon gag.

I just got that right now.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Colin YNWA 25 March, 2013, 09:23:06 PM
Judge Ocks = Ox.

Only twigged that recently!

God really I've known that for like forever... or well... at least since you posted that and I just read it.
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: Ghastly McNasty 26 March, 2013, 05:38:46 PM
I just got that right now.

Glad I'm not the only one.
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: Skullmo 26 March, 2013, 08:09:10 PM
I just got that right now.

Glad I'm not the only one.

Make that three
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: Trout 26 March, 2013, 09:34:54 PM
Oh, fuck. I just got "Deadlock".  :-[
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: radiator 10 April, 2013, 11:27:19 AM
Erm, is 'Hot Dog Run' a (nonsensical) pun on 'Hot Dog Bun'?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: James Stacey 10 April, 2013, 11:30:46 AM
Erm, is 'Hot Dog Run' a (nonsensical) pun on 'Hot Dog Bun'?
It occurs to me know I have no idea why it should be called the Hot Dog Run. It's always just been a given that that is what it is. It doesn't even make sense in context with Hotties apparently being the MC1 term for hotdogs.
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: Sideshow Bob 10 April, 2013, 01:42:11 PM
In Devlin Waugh : Swimming in blood....
Aquatraz...Undersea prison...obviously based on Alcatraz...( Got that one ! ).

Murray Koenig :  The pest control 'exterminator' brought in to clear the infestation.....Missed this one as an amalgamation of Bill Murray from Ghostbusters and Walter Koenig as Chekov from Star Trek.
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: Bubba Zebill 10 April, 2013, 01:55:28 PM
Pat wagon = patrol wagon.

Dumb, I know.

Only clicked few days ago when I was catching up on reading backlog of stuff such ad Case Files 2!

Perhaps a double meaning. In old NYC they refer to police vans as 'Paddy Wagons'. I'm not clear on the reason, either coined first when used in predominantly Irish areas of the city, or, more likely, because they were manned by a predominantly Irish police force.
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: I, Cosh 10 April, 2013, 02:01:21 PM
Erm, is 'Hot Dog Run' a (nonsensical) pun on 'Hot Dog Bun'?
Dunno. If I've ever thought about it I'd reckon it was something to do with "hotdogging" in the sense of driving or riding in a deliberately extreme fashion.

Judge Ocks = Ox.

Only twigged that recently!
Maybe I'm being thick but I don't get the joke here.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Greg M. 10 April, 2013, 02:07:57 PM
Judge Ocks = Ox.

Only twigged that recently!
Maybe I'm being thick but I don't get the joke here.

Judge Ocks was very powerfully built and noted for his strength - i.e, as strong as an ox.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Bubba Zebill 10 April, 2013, 02:08:11 PM
This may be obvious but the JD story about the release of Casey Steech, a perp that turned evidence against the mob, ran around the time of the release of actor Stacey Keach...who had just done time in a prison in the UK for smuggling drugs in...I think a small amount for personal use.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Cactus 10 April, 2013, 03:18:20 PM
Venus Bluegenes - I got the blue genes bit easily enough but at the weekend I discovered a song called... Venus In Blue Jeans!
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: radiator 10 April, 2013, 03:26:49 PM
Anyone else find that when you get all these references it kind of takes something away from those old stories?

It all seemed so strange and mysterious when I was a kid and it all went over my head!
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Mikey 10 April, 2013, 03:59:26 PM
Perhaps a double meaning. In old NYC they refer to police vans as 'Paddy Wagons'. I'm not clear on the reason, either coined first when used in predominantly Irish areas of the city, or, more likely, because they were manned by a predominantly Irish police force.

It was Irish cops - they were essentially given the jobs in exchange for voting for the Democrats.

M.
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: JayzusB.Christ 11 April, 2013, 08:20:01 AM
That Zenith was actually pretty smart, and managed to talk Scott Wallace out of nuking London without St John's help. 
I also thought for a long, long time that Berlin was a-bombed in reality.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Bubba Zebill 11 April, 2013, 09:09:15 AM
Perhaps a double meaning. In old NYC they refer to police vans as 'Paddy Wagons'. I'm not clear on the reason, either coined first when used in predominantly Irish areas of the city, or, more likely, because they were manned by a predominantly Irish police force.

It was Irish cops - they were essentially given the jobs in exchange for voting for the Democrats.

M.

Ah!
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: radiator 11 April, 2013, 09:14:25 AM
That Zenith was actually pretty smart, and managed to talk Scott Wallace out of nuking London without St John's help. 
I also thought for a long, long time that Berlin was a-bombed in reality.

Explain...
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 11 April, 2013, 09:30:06 AM
Explain...

Well... I thought for a long time that Peter Saint John was speaking through Zenith using telepathy when Zenith convinced Wallace not to nuke London.  Later I realised that Saint John's plan was to telepathically cause Wallace to go into a coma, or possibly have a brain haemorrhage.  Zenith took the more humane approach of simply talking him out of it, while Saint John, being a bit of a bastard, later locked the door and let him suffocate or starve. I thought it was Zenith who locked him in until I re-read it years later.

Unless you're talking about the a-bomb part - in which case I didn't realise, as a child, that the a-bombing of Berlin was just something that happened in Zenith's universe.   I thought it really happened.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Frank 11 April, 2013, 09:02:15 PM
I didn't realise, as a child, that the a-bombing of Berlin was just something that happened in Zenith's universe.  I thought it really happened.

Do you remember Tharg's snotty reply to the guy who wrote in at that time to point out that only two nuclear devices were dropped on civilian populations during WWII, and that neither of them detonated over Berlin? Way to patronise a readership who grew up in a culture of war comics which at least gestured towards historical and technical accuracy.

This presumption of familiarity with the paradigm of alternate universes common in US comics came not very long after Tharg berated another reader for assuming that Anderson's psychic abilities and Johnny Alpha's mutant traits would conform to the depiction of those phenomena in the pages of X-Men. I don't think Tharg's even real.

: Re: Things that went over your head...
: hippynumber1 12 April, 2013, 07:15:50 PM
I remember that reply; it amused me at the time but thinking back on it, I have to agree with you...
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Frank 17 April, 2013, 06:45:49 PM
On page five of the Dredd story The Satanist (Brothers of the blood TPB) - the page where Dredd looks through Vienna's personal possessions and mementos - there's a framed photograph of Rico sans helmet. The image isn't much more than a thumbnail, but the family's trademark shock of black hair is being worn in the bedhead fashion of a young Charlie Sheen. That would explain why the helmet sometimes sits a little high on Dredd's head.

(http://www.flix66.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Charlie-Sheen-11.jpg)
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: JOE SOAP 17 April, 2013, 07:14:07 PM

He has Urbanised hair:

(http://imageshack.us/a/img688/6625/ricoc.png)

(http://imageshack.us/a/img585/1756/ricoii.png)



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: Frank 17 April, 2013, 07:34:08 PM
Someone needs to write a flashback story explaining why Rico's hair goes from Christopher Walken to George Clooney between that framed photograph and his arrival on Titan. The expanded version of The Return of Rico (http://www.2000ad.org/covers/2000ad/hires/951.jpg) Pat Mills wrote around the time of the Stallone film wasn't much less substantial.

: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JOE SOAP 17 April, 2013, 07:53:17 PM
Someone needs to write a flashback story explaining why Rico's hair goes from Christopher Walken to George Clooney between that framed photograph and his arrival on Titan. The expanded version of The Return of Rico (http://www.2000ad.org/covers/2000ad/hires/951.jpg) Pat Mills wrote around the time of the Stallone film wasn't much less substantial.



His appearance in issue 4 of Year One will be fleeting, but if we're lucky, it'll be an end-scene with Joe & Rico and a 126 year-old Walter White instructing them both on the merits of the close-crop.


: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Steve Green 17 April, 2013, 07:54:48 PM
Although I knew McGruder was a Thatcher analogue, I never connected her referring to herself as 'we' and Thatcher's 'we are a grandmother'.

Does that make Dredd Geoffrey Howe?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Frank 17 April, 2013, 08:03:55 PM
Although I knew McGruder was a Thatcher analogue, I never connected her referring to herself as 'we' and Thatcher's 'we are a grandmother'.

Does that make Dredd Geoffrey Howe?

Excellent catch, and topical - use of first person plural is grounds for sectioning. Shurely Shojan's the Howe analogue; making Dredd the Hesseltine figure who delivers the coup de grâce.

: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Steve Green 17 April, 2013, 08:07:54 PM
We're back to haircuts again.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: darnmarr 17 April, 2013, 08:14:48 PM
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-YmwhhLNvaFg/UW70TqO1G-I/AAAAAAAACHY/XUwAqz5s5rM/s320/ricosauve.JPG)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: I, Cosh 09 May, 2013, 12:11:31 AM
"Hi Brinna, what're you watching?"
- "John Cage: Atonal Avenger."

This only a few short weeks after the same writer had a character called Cornelius Cardew save the day. Don't worry, I didn't get that reference until much later either.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 09 May, 2013, 09:09:03 PM
"Hi Brinna, what're you watching?"
- "John Cage: Atonal Avenger."

This only a few short weeks after the same writer had a character called Cornelius Cardew save the day. Don't worry, I didn't get that reference until much later either.

Sorry, I'm thick. Could you explain it?  I remember it alright.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: I, Cosh 09 May, 2013, 10:11:00 PM
Cage and Cardew were both avant garde composers. In later life, Cardew became more interested in left wing politics than music and seems a pretty interesting character (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornelius_Cardew). I wonder if Alan ever met him.

Anyway, I've just been rereading Halo Jones for the first time in many years. It's pretty good stuff.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 09 May, 2013, 10:35:12 PM
Thanks!
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Dash Decent 09 May, 2013, 11:26:16 PM
Cage was the bloke who composed a three minute piece of silence, wasn't he?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Dandontdare 10 May, 2013, 07:54:15 AM
Cage was the bloke who composed a three minute piece of silence, wasn't he?

4'33" actually!
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: Dash Decent 10 May, 2013, 01:08:21 PM
That's the one!
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: TordelBack 10 May, 2013, 01:59:21 PM
I do hate the way DJs always talk over the intro to that one.
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: Pete Wells 10 May, 2013, 02:05:44 PM
Only when I was doing the art comp last month did I sus that Krool was a play on 'Cruel'. I teach people's bairns me!
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Richmond Clements 10 May, 2013, 02:39:30 PM
Cage was the bloke who composed a three minute piece of silence, wasn't he?

4'33" actually!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/2276621.stm
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: Ghastly McNasty 16 May, 2013, 07:24:40 PM
Pfffft. Looking at the Clint magazine thread I've just realised why It's called CLiNT.

: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Trout 16 May, 2013, 11:05:28 PM
Pfffft. Looking at the Clint magazine thread I've just realised why It's called CLiNT.

Are you a fan of the Droid Life character Flick?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Ghastly McNasty 17 May, 2013, 07:18:10 AM
*Sounds of another penny dropping*
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 17 May, 2013, 07:24:04 AM
Pfffft. Looking at the Clint magazine thread I've just realised why It's called CLiNT.

Are you a fan of the Droid Life character Flick?

Isn't his name Crumbs, though...?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Trout 17 May, 2013, 09:12:20 PM
Now I can't remember. I was sure it was Flick.
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: Noisybast 18 May, 2013, 09:39:06 AM
Pretty sure he started life as Flicker (because his job was to flick eraser crumbs off the pages), and the name got changed somewhere along the line.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: strontium71 20 May, 2013, 01:26:00 PM
Reading the new Dan Brown novel , Inferno , I've just twigged that the Grice series was called Purgatory , and the Dredd follow-up was called Inferno. Both were parts of the Divine Comedy by Dante. Should there have been a third part called Paradise...
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Dandontdare 20 May, 2013, 02:16:37 PM
Reading the new Dan Brown novel , Inferno , I've just twigged that the Grice series was called Purgatory , and the Dredd follow-up was called Inferno. Both were parts of the Divine Comedy by Dante. Should there have been a third part called Paradise...

yes, that was when Wagner came back   :D
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: strontium_dog_90 23 May, 2013, 05:34:44 PM
Speaking of that era . . .

The satire of Big Dave really went over my head, as a younger chap. As someone who's grown up to love stuff like South Park and Brass Eye, I really wish I was reading it for the first time now. I think I'd probably laugh quite a lot.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: TordelBack 23 May, 2013, 05:46:45 PM
Reading the new Dan Brown novel, Inferno....

I hear Dan Brown novels are the only books actually allowed in Hell.  Even as the ice-entombed Satan chews forever on his head and flays his back, Judas Iscariot has to listen to the audiobook of The DaVinci Code for all eternity.  That'll learn 'im.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Cactus 23 May, 2013, 07:52:08 PM
Reading the new Dan Brown novel , Inferno , I've just twigged that the Grice series was called Purgatory , and the Dredd follow-up was called Inferno. Both were parts of the Divine Comedy by Dante. Should there have been a third part called Paradise...

yes, that was when Wagner came back   :D

With a story named 'The Pit'. Unintentional irony or subtle dig?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: I, Cosh 12 June, 2013, 08:05:44 PM
Suppose I might as well share my humiliation here for those unable to read about it elsewhere. It was only on seeing the trailer at the pictures this afternoon that I realised the title of World War Z is supposed to be a pun.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Frank 12 June, 2013, 08:58:04 PM
Suppose I might as well share my humiliation here for those unable to read about it elsewhere. It was only on seeing the trailer at the pictures this afternoon that I realised the title of World War Z is supposed to be a pun.

You're not American, so stop beating yourself up. Bobcat Goldthwaite's character in Police Academy 2 and the handle of Ving Rhames's rapist in Pulp Fiction prove the fuckers can't agree on the pronunciation themselves.

: Re: Things that went over your head...
: malkymac 13 June, 2013, 09:46:21 AM
Err I feel really thick now for asking this but could you tell me what the pun is?  :-[
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: radiator 13 June, 2013, 09:52:00 AM
World War Zee

World War Three

I still can't bring myself to pronounce it as 'Zee' out loud though.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: TordelBack 13 June, 2013, 10:01:27 AM
I need a razor to go over my head.  I look like Johnny Alpha from the eyebrows up.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: The Doctor Alt 8 13 June, 2013, 10:26:19 AM
And what is wrong with that?  :D
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: optimusjamie 17 June, 2013, 10:27:37 PM
Some of the more recent Dredd stuff went pretty much over my head before reading The Apocalypse War- after all, as I said here (http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php/topic,38688.msg768179.html#msg768179), it is one of the defining moments in Dredd's entire run.
Same thing with ABC Warriors- Back to Earth made a lot more sense after reading some of the older stuff.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: radiator 17 June, 2013, 10:31:15 PM
So something struck me earlier - is 'kneel before Zod' a pun on 'kneel before God"?
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: The Doctor Alt 8 26 June, 2013, 02:11:39 AM
I wouldn't like THIS hanging over my head...

https://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/12/10/31/_88NhKDvOkeZd_rgJlEdrg2.jpg

: Re: Things that went over your head...
: James Stacey 26 June, 2013, 07:53:46 AM
So something struck me earlier - is 'kneel before Zod' a pun on 'kneel before God"?
Zod makes that joke in the film when near the beginning someone says 'dear God' and he replies, 'No, Zod'
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Frank 27 June, 2013, 09:07:47 PM

Zenith's name was Robert Neal Cassady (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neal_Cassady) McDowell. Come on, I was only wee.

: Re: Things that went over your head...
: ming 18 July, 2013, 07:04:37 PM
Watching Spaced for the umpteenth time, the penny finally dropped regarding the name of that nice psychic girl Tim met (and who gave him his own phone number): Cassandra.  Yeah, it could be a coincidink but let's face it, it's not.

 :lol:
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: radiator 18 July, 2013, 07:10:12 PM
Doesn't 'Cassandra' refer to a Greek or Roman myth about a woman who could tell the future?

Probably more a reference to that (as is Anderson's name in the first place).
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: ming 18 July, 2013, 07:15:46 PM
I get the original reference, but given that Spaced is about as crammed full of nods to 2000AD as you could wish for, I think 'mindreading chick' probably refers to Cass Anderson... 
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Proudhuff 18 July, 2013, 07:51:32 PM
Doesn't 'Cassandra' refer to a Greek or Roman myth about a woman who could tell the future?

Probably more a reference to that (as is Anderson's name in the first place).

I don't believe it.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Jim_Campbell 18 July, 2013, 08:03:11 PM
Doesn't 'Cassandra' refer to a Greek or Roman myth about a woman who could tell the future?

Probably more a reference to that (as is Anderson's name in the first place).

Of course, Anderson isn't the only blonde woman with psychic abilities (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Ruf9JBv9V4U/SDWE82mHo_I/AAAAAAAAApo/N-jcKBo4xJ0/s1600-h/scan0001.jpg) on whom Wagner & Grant bestowed that moniker.

Cheers!

Jim
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Frank 18 July, 2013, 08:03:36 PM

I haven't seen the episode in question, but if the joke of the character is that no-one believes her predictions, then it's probably a reference to the myth. The way some artists sometimes depict Anderson with reddish hair (Bisley and whoever coloured the Eagle covers are the two that spring to mind) is probably a reference to the daughter of Priam, King of Troy.

: Re: Things that went over your head...
: johnnystress 19 July, 2013, 10:09:21 AM


Of course, Anderson isn't the only blonde woman with psychic abilities (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Ruf9JBv9V4U/SDWE82mHo_I/AAAAAAAAApo/N-jcKBo4xJ0/s1600-h/scan0001.jpg) on whom Wagner & Grant bestowed that moniker.


I like the look of this; Ortiz, demony stuff.... Probably expecting to much to ask if it was ever collected/
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Jim_Campbell 19 July, 2013, 10:44:30 AM
I like the look of this; Ortiz, demony stuff.... Probably expecting to much to ask if it was ever collected/

Not as far as I know, but there's a massive chunk of it scanned here (http://theyellowedpages.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/The%20House%20Of%20Daemon), although the oldest episode is at the bottom so, counter-intuitively, you have to start at the bottom and scroll up.

Cheers!

Jim
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: Woolly 19 July, 2013, 12:15:13 PM
I like the look of this; Ortiz, demony stuff.... Probably expecting to much to ask if it was ever collected/

Not as far as I know, but there's a massive chunk of it scanned here (http://theyellowedpages.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/The%20House%20Of%20Daemon), although the oldest episode is at the bottom so, counter-intuitively, you have to start at the bottom and scroll up.

Cheers!

Jim

Arsom! Never read this before - thanks for linking that Jim  :thumbsup:
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 20 July, 2013, 12:41:21 PM
Ro-Busters.
Robust.
Only occurred to me now.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3b/Paris_Tuileries_Garden_Facepalm_statue.jpg/300px-Paris_Tuileries_Garden_Facepalm_statue.jpg)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: glassstanley 30 July, 2013, 09:31:19 PM
Not a play on words, just something I've missed in 35 years of re-reading: Walter waving Dredd on his way on the last page of Ch 2 of The Cursed Earth.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Skullmo 01 August, 2013, 12:55:59 AM
THINGS THAT WENT OVER YOUR HEAD...


Planes
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: judgerufian 01 August, 2013, 01:34:32 PM
I like the look of this; Ortiz, demony stuff.... Probably expecting to much to ask if it was ever collected/

Not as far as I know, but there's a massive chunk of it scanned here (http://theyellowedpages.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/The%20House%20Of%20Daemon), although the oldest episode is at the bottom so, counter-intuitively, you have to start at the bottom and scroll up.

Cheers!

Jim

Great!! Always wanted to read the end of this after having read some random episodes back in my yoof.
Many thanks!
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Spikes 01 August, 2013, 05:40:30 PM
Not a play on words, just something I've missed in 35 years of re-reading: Walter waving Dredd on his way on the last page of Ch 2 of The Cursed Earth.


You and me both. Didnt notice Walter either, until fairly recently - and that's me pouring over every line of that particular story, for the passed 35 years as well.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Mister Pops 18 August, 2013, 02:38:38 AM
Dredd's gun has six types of ammunition, so it's a six shooter.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Bubba Zebill 26 August, 2013, 01:29:21 PM
Anderson topless in The Apocalypse War. (as they blast a tunnel under the east-meg silo's)
I mentioned it on another thread and thought it might be of interest here too.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 08 September, 2013, 06:46:49 PM
I mentioned it on another thread and thought it might be of interest here too.

Anderson topless is always of interest.
Anyway, I've just re-read The Art of Kenny Who and realised that the boss of American comics giant Big 1 has a very familiar turn of phrase: 'Okay, 'nuff said.  It's truth-tellin' time, tiger'.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Pete Wells 08 September, 2013, 07:07:56 PM
The Krool, are like, 'Cruel.'

I only sussed that during the Bad Company Art comp, sheesh!
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Bubba Zebill 09 September, 2013, 12:41:33 PM
I mentioned it on another thread and thought it might be of interest here too.
'Okay, 'nuff said.  It's truth-tellin' time, tiger'.

Ok...that did go over my head... Probably exposing a terrible ignorance of popular culcha ...but what's the reference?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Dandontdare 09 September, 2013, 02:01:45 PM
I mentioned it on another thread and thought it might be of interest here too.
'Okay, 'nuff said.  It's truth-tellin' time, tiger'.

Ok...that did go over my head... Probably exposing a terrible ignorance of popular culcha ...but what's the reference?

those sound like pulsatingly powerful proclamations from the Might Marvel Bullpen - Excelsior!
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: Bubba Zebill 09 September, 2013, 02:06:55 PM
...and has the same name as a certain assassin...now I get it! (never did read Marvel TBH)
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: Dragonfly 10 September, 2013, 11:45:25 AM
Over on the thread for the new Nemesis colour collection I mentioned that the DJ at the very beginning of the book was based on Kenny Everett and that this fact went unnoticed by me for thirty three years. Well here's something else.
Was looking through the same volume and was having fun trying to see where O'Neil provided new art for Eagle Comics. Got to the 'Origin Of Excessus' story and for the life of me I couldn't see where the new art was inserted. So I got the Nemesis The Warlock Vol1 out to compare and was surprised to see that the pages were the same. This got me to thinking that for that volume they had also used the Eagle version and that I had just discovered something new.
Almost came on here to ask if anyone could compare the original version to these and was there a problem with losing the original artwork when they compiled the b&w collection.
It was only then, when I was trying to find what prog the story was originally published in that I realised it had never been published in the prog but was an annual story, and as such was already the correct dimensions and didn't need adjusting.
Sometimes things take a while to sink in!
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: SuperSurfer 10 September, 2013, 07:15:51 PM
I've wondered about characters based on tv personalities being unrecognisable to younger readers in reprints. I think Robin Day has been used a few times in Dredd and Walter the Wobot strips.

As a kid I was baffled by Hammerstein's: "And if ya can't stand the heat… ya shouldn't be in the kitchen!" I had no idea it was a saying. I just thought – why is he talking about kitchens?
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: ming 16 September, 2013, 10:06:34 AM
Dear Tharg,

It has come to my attention that certain similarities exist between the Cursed Earth Maurader Scabby Hayes and the talented jazzman Tubby Hayes.  Are they, by any chance, related?

Yours,
Edna Scrotes, Aged 12


Tubby
(http://i.imgur.com/wPWE7iT.jpg)

Scabby
(http://i.imgur.com/PPlLV1x.jpg)
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: Theblazeuk 16 September, 2013, 02:03:37 PM
I didn't realise, as a child, that the a-bombing of Berlin was just something that happened in Zenith's universe.  I thought it really happened.
Do you remember Tharg's snotty reply to the guy who wrote in at that time to point out that only two nuclear devices were dropped on civilian populations during WWII, and that neither of them detonated over Berlin? Way to patronise a readership who grew up in a culture of war comics which at least gestured towards historical and technical accuracy.

I know this is old, but to be fair Britain and Germany didn't (to my knowledge) deploy superhuman soldiers bred via knowledge from evil gods from a closed timeloop either.
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: JayzusB.Christ 24 September, 2013, 07:59:00 AM
Could be twaddle, now, but did Hester Hyman's surname have some kind of metaphorical significance?  Her death bringing the mature world of politics to Dredd - breaking the, er, Hyman to signify the city's growing up, etc.  Or am I talking a load of gubbins?
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: Dash Decent 24 September, 2013, 01:25:04 PM
My umbrella.
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: Theblazeuk 24 September, 2013, 02:08:01 PM
Until some creep stole it? Call a judge citizen!
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: Frank 24 September, 2013, 07:11:07 PM
Could be twaddle, now, but did Hester Hyman's surname have some kind of metaphorical significance?  Her death bringing the mature world of politics to Dredd - breaking the, er, Hyman to signify the city's growing up, etc.  Or am I talking a load of gubbins?

I thought it was alluding to the idea of blood being shed - even though the spelling's different (Hyman/hymen) - but your version's more poetic. Hymen (capital H) was part of the Greek pantheon; associated with the siege of Troy, disguised himself under a hood to infiltrate and resist those who were holding his loved ones captive ... and that's about as much as I know about that. Except that he wears a jaggy bunnet and carries a torch - kinda like a symbol (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/22/Wenceslas_Hollar_-_The_Greek_gods._Hymen.jpg).

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: Proudhuff 24 September, 2013, 07:29:28 PM
That synth noise during Pop Master, makes the words...

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: JayzusB.Christ 25 September, 2013, 05:07:26 PM
Could be twaddle, now, but did Hester Hyman's surname have some kind of metaphorical significance?  Her death bringing the mature world of politics to Dredd - breaking the, er, Hyman to signify the city's growing up, etc.  Or am I talking a load of gubbins?

I thought it was alluding to the idea of blood being shed - even though the spelling's different (Hyman/hymen) - but your version's more poetic. Hymen (capital H) was part of the Greek pantheon; associated with the siege of Troy, disguised himself under a hood to infiltrate and resist those who were holding his loved ones captive ... and that's about as much as I know about that. Except that he wears a jaggy bunnet and carries a torch - kinda like a symbol (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/22/Wenceslas_Hollar_-_The_Greek_gods._Hymen.jpg).

Ah, I see! You make a lot of sense, as always, and this seems to hold more water than my theory. I didn't know Hymen was a character from mythology.  I love this board!
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: Frank 25 September, 2013, 05:18:21 PM
this seems to hold more water than my theory.

No, I think there's a lot of mileage in thinking of that incident as a loss of innocence - that's certainly the effect it had on readers' perceptions of the role of the judges and Dredd as a character. That makes it all the more difficult to get your head round Alan Grant's claim (http://www.2000adreview.co.uk/features/interviews/2005/grant/grant3.shtml) that the story was originally about nudism.

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: JayzusB.Christ 25 September, 2013, 06:15:50 PM
That makes it all the more difficult to get your head round Alan Grant's claim (http://www.2000adreview.co.uk/features/interviews/2005/grant/grant3.shtml) that the story was originally about nudism.

Yeah, it was a weird one, that. If it was true, it's odd to think that editorial censorship led to what was then the most grown-up Dredd storyline to date.  Have to admit I hated the Democracy stuff at the time, but I was only 11 at the time.  I later realised it was the best bit of Dreddness that had ever been published.
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: Spikes 25 September, 2013, 08:56:24 PM
That synth noise during Pop Master, makes the words...

Yes it does. That '3 in 10' is a right bitch, isnt it. Never manage that part.
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: A.Cow 05 November, 2013, 11:21:55 PM
Just re-reading part 1 of The Life & Death of Johnny Alpha and noticed that the reporter is a mutant.  Then I realised what her mutation is... she has 3 breasts! How did I miss that first time round?
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: judgerufian 06 November, 2013, 12:47:58 PM
Just re-reading part 1 of The Life & Death of Johnny Alpha and noticed that the reporter is a mutant.  Then I realised what her mutation is... she has 3 breasts! How did I miss that first time round?

It was subtle, noticed it on the second prog she was in....or did I have Total Recall?  ;)
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: Dash Decent 15 November, 2013, 04:10:59 PM
Some of the guys on another thread just worked out what a fetish is...  ::)

Though having said that, I can remember being in high school and finding out my brother thought a gazebo was some kind of animal!
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: JayzusB.Christ 15 November, 2013, 05:46:43 PM
Some of the guys on another thread just worked out what a fetish is...  ::)

Though having said that, I can remember being in high school and finding out my brother thought a gazebo was some kind of animal!

Which thread?  Also, it was that Devlin Waugh / Dredd story that taught me what the original meaning of 'fetish' was.

Anyway, Thrill - power - a play on willpower?  It just occurred to be the other day
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: TordelBack 15 November, 2013, 05:55:07 PM
Though having said that, I can remember being in high school and finding out my brother thought a gazebo was some kind of animal!

An oldie but a goldie:

(http://www.kenzerco.com/Operiodicals/kodt/kodt%20webstrips/WS_Gazebo_p1.jpg)
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: Dash Decent 15 November, 2013, 10:41:53 PM
That's quite appropriate as it came up when he was playing one of the Infocom Zork adventures at the time.
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: hippynumber1 16 November, 2013, 08:24:57 PM
It's taken me until episode 6 of 'Masters of Sex' to realise it's a play on his surname!  :-[
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: Cactus 25 November, 2013, 06:52:54 PM
I've only just got the joke in the title of the 'Cheap Thrills' thread.  :-[
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: A.Cow 22 December, 2013, 10:33:21 PM
I loved the references to Skelmersdale (a.k.a. Skem) in this year's Strontium Dog stories.

It got me wondering whether John Wagner threw it in as a bit of a hidden gag for those-in-the-know.  (Skem is frequently compared with Milton Keynes -- the main ghetto in SD -- due to an excessive number of roundabouts & copious concrete.  Also, although rather more tenuous, some of the surrounding communities consider Skem to be a yer-sister-is-also-yer-mother kind of place, i.e. full of genetic mutations.)
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: Frank 15 February, 2014, 01:59:24 PM

The Second Robot War heats up in The Doomsday Scenario, and Dredd's creator provides the definitive in-story statement of authorial purpose:

(http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s410/sauchieboy/60c29da6-ddef-44d0-ac65-6b9655d71f12.jpg?t=1392472292)

As far as Dredd epics are concerned, it does have to be Wagner. He did the same thing, with only slightly more subtlety, in Strontium Dog the other week. Editorial made a similar gag with the cover for the Dredd story where The Flying Dutchman (http://www.2000ad.org/covers/2000ad/hires/459.jpg) showed up in MC1.

 
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: Frank 01 March, 2014, 09:12:52 AM

Incidental details like this (The Switch, prog 369) are the reason why everyone now has to think very carefully about plot contrivances which may add any new information about Justice Department and the city, or contradict the established mythos:

(http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s410/sauchieboy/ac02ae11-9db9-41e5-81a4-eabc75c23b75.jpg?t=1393664194)

It must have been great in the old days, when you could just type stuff like all judges enter the Academy at age five, or write yourself out of a corner by inventing something like the above, and not have to worry about the repercussions that might have for stories you or someone else might want to tell in 30 years time. Has some clever bugger - most likely Michael Carroll - ever used this incidental detail as a plot point in a story?

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: M.I.K. 01 March, 2014, 05:48:59 PM
He probably will now.
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: Frank 08 March, 2014, 08:30:13 AM

(http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s410/sauchieboy/bcab9916-f7b3-4564-b539-242479b8ba4d.jpg?t=1394266678)


No, Castillo, that really doesn't make much sense at all. Vitus implanted thoughts in the lawgiver's mind? No wonder McGruder gave you such a hard time.


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: TordelBack 08 March, 2014, 08:44:11 AM
Tut!  Plenty of Psis in Dredd's world have been shown to have the specific ability to fool or fog sensors and computers, including Dance.   Castillo's just showing interdepartmental awareness.

As to me, I've just this morning realised that Moore's old pen name Curt Vile is a pun on magus-approved composer Kurt Weill, of LoEG: Century fame.  Given that I've read a half-dozen biographies of Moore where it was almost certainly mentioned, that's a bit sad.
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: Frank 08 March, 2014, 10:03:02 AM
Plenty of Psis in Dredd's world have been shown to have the specific ability to fool or fog sensors and computers, including Dance.

Oh aye, but psychic abilities in Dredd World are usually very specific indeed; judges specialise as empaths and precogs, and if a perp they encounter is a telekinetic (for example) they aren't usually depicted as being able to predict the future (for another example) as well. Anderson does a whole lot of new age crap, but that's mostly an extension of her abilities as a telepath.

I don't doubt that telekinesis can encompass the ability to change zeros to ones, but Vitus Dance has a particularly broad skill set (pyrokinesis, telepathy, telekinesis, and precognition) which puts Anderson to shame. No wonder he thought he was the Messiah. It's certainly not a deal-breaker, but if Dance's abilities had been a little better defined and more specific, I think Doomsday and the stories leading up to it would have felt like more of a coherent piece.

Doomsday and The Cal Files are both concerned with the manipulation of information and people, and if there had been an explicit equivalence drawn between the way Dance rearranges the sequences of the DNA in his victims' bodies, and the sensors of the gun, it would have supported the themes of a story about an entirely digital villain. A hitman with the ability to influence information systems and technology would be a better fit for Narcos than a Cursed Earth mutie and his scorpions *.


* my idea that the compound Narcos's cyber-assassin would use to enhance his abilities should be digitalis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiac_glycoside#Examples), rather than scorpion venom, is probably best kept between us
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: The Corinthian 08 March, 2014, 08:32:10 PM
The end of Revere Book II. By the time this came around, I'd largely forgotten all the stuff about leaps of faith and ritual rebirth in the original series. So I assumed that when Revere chucked himself off the car park roof then he was definitely dead and the story was over for good.

I was pretty surprised when it came back for Book Three.
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: Tombo 08 March, 2014, 08:38:23 PM
Something I've only just (i.e. this afternoon) realised: Armoured Gideon - Armageddon
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: Frank 09 March, 2014, 05:18:27 PM

The name badge of CJ Volt's personal protection officer in Mark Millar's voodoo assassin nonsense, The Big Hit (prog 1030):

(http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s410/sauchieboy/0654ccdf-90fb-4b9f-81cd-f3104820f8b6.jpg?t=1394385402)
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: JayzusB.Christ 10 March, 2014, 06:37:16 AM
I don't remember that one at all. Probably for the best.  There was a Judge Gordon Rennie in Millar's Anderson text story, though
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: TordelBack 10 March, 2014, 07:52:31 AM
Decent gag that, but who is the artist?  Craddock on colours, sure, but I can't figure out the linework...

I was long gone by then, mind.
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: radiator 10 March, 2014, 08:23:18 AM
I would guess Lee Sullivan.
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: TordelBack 10 March, 2014, 08:43:45 AM
I would guess Lee Sullivan.

Maybe, but I'm not sure.  And now I realise I should just have looked it up (such a child of the 20th C, me):

Barney says "G. Stoddart, other artists also involved".  Huh, who he/she/they?  More googling suggests maybe Graham Stoddart of FQP/Dogbreath fame?

(http://www.futurequake.co.uk/imagebucket/DB28/Search&DestroyBlog.jpg)
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: glassstanley 16 March, 2014, 02:39:45 PM
Here's one that's still going over my head. Not because of a double-meaning, but because it's only ever been printed and not said out loud. Did the Sovs have Strato-'vees' or Strato-'fives'?
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: ming 16 March, 2014, 03:02:07 PM
I always assumed 'Strato-vee' due to the V-shape of the craft...
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: TordelBack 16 March, 2014, 03:16:39 PM
Did the Sovs have Strato-'vees' or Strato-'fives'?

Either way, they were certainly things that went over your head.


I suspect Ming is correct, and this thinking can also be applied to Kim Raymond's H-Wagons.  ;)
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: Frank 16 March, 2014, 03:17:59 PM
Barney says "G. Stoddart, other artists also involved".  Huh, who he/she/they?  More googling suggests maybe Graham Stoddart of FQP/Dogbreath fame?

Might be, but it's a very different style of art; Jack Covvella's is the other hand involved. The art on the strip has pleasant echoes of the great Steve Dillon's easy command of figure work and character, and the inking technique is similar too. There are some direct lifts from Dillon Rogue Trooper panels, and the uniform and bike are explicitly Dillon's too. Some panels go off the Dillon model, and the competency of the figure work and composition in these are much more shaky.

The art's what would have happened if it was Steve Who?, rather than Kenny, who had his style appropriated by the replicator machines of BIG1 comics:

(http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s410/sauchieboy/d585ec1f-0046-49eb-b213-3b395998b8ff.jpg?t=1394896474)
(http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s410/sauchieboy/93735679-2655-44a3-8051-7d14d03a39f8.jpg?t=1394982744)

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: I, Cosh 16 March, 2014, 04:04:45 PM
Did the Sovs have Strato-'vees' or Strato-'fives'?
Either way, they were certainly things that went over your head.
Great question! And a great answer for anyone without a stubb gun.

I've alwayssaid vee but, now you've brought it up, it's hard to avoid the comparison with. The Saturn V which would've been known to any schoolboy.

A third interpretation might be that, like the AK47, it's named after its inventor : Sergei Stratov.
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: Dash Decent 16 March, 2014, 09:29:54 PM
...or Sergei Stratov the fifth?
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: Hap Hazzard 17 March, 2014, 06:44:50 PM
I'm thinking of stuff like Ro-Jaws and Hammerstein (Rogers & Hammerstein), the Slavers of Drule and all those other puns and references that drifted gracefully over my head as a kid...  (Some of 'em still do.)

Anyway, I just spotted a 1949 Schlitz advert in a Grauniad New York photo gallery (http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/gallery/2012/jan/06/new-york-photography-in-pictures#/?picture=384053709&index=4) sporting the slogan: "The beer that made Milwaukee famous"...

I guess that's where the Dredd classic "The Fear that made Milwaukee famous" came from.  I live and learn!

Resyk pronunciation went completely over my head for 35 years until the Dredd movie put it onscreen. I was always mentally pronouncing it as "Reesk".  I was like "OH! Re-cyc!" out loud in the first showing. Not a proud moment unveiling my own dumbassery for so long.


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: Frank 18 March, 2014, 05:56:44 PM

(http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s410/sauchieboy/JudgeDreddTheMegazine345-Page49BentN.jpg?t=1395078788)


Bent N/Ben 10 ... no? Look, it's really clever - the N of the logo is actually bent.


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: glassstanley 19 March, 2014, 03:53:06 PM
Did the Sovs have Strato-'vees' or Strato-'fives'?
Either way, they were certainly things that went over your head.
Great question! And a great answer for anyone without a stubb gun.

I've alwayssaid vee but, now you've brought it up, it's hard to avoid the comparison with. The Saturn V which would've been known to any schoolboy.

A third interpretation might be that, like the AK47, it's named after its inventor : Sergei Stratov.

A listen to the BBC's Apocalypse War suggests it probably is 'Vee', but has now thrown up 'Sove' for Sov, when I have always pronounced the 'o' as in 'dog'. Oh, the challenges of life :)
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: Theblazeuk 19 March, 2014, 04:03:06 PM
Its definitely Sovv rather than Sove.... definitely. Definitely I tell you!
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: JayzusB.Christ 19 March, 2014, 04:14:27 PM
Isn't the first syllable of 'Soviet' pronounced 'Sovv'? 
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: Frank 19 March, 2014, 04:53:55 PM
Isn't the first syllable of 'Soviet' pronounced 'Sovv'?

Aye, but not if you're American.

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: TordelBack 19 March, 2014, 07:04:25 PM
Isn't the first syllable of 'Soviet' pronounced 'Sovv'?

Aye, but not if you're American.

Nor indeed if you're Russian, where it's apparently something like 'sah-vee-eht-skeek'.
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: The Corinthian 22 March, 2014, 11:53:45 PM
Just noticed that the other Judge who arrests the eponymous 'Bat Mugger' is "Judge Robin". 25 years it took me to spot that!
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: ming 26 March, 2014, 09:53:36 AM
Just noticed that the other Judge who arrests the eponymous 'Bat Mugger' is "Judge Robin". 25 years it took me to spot that!

Hah!  That's great (and had completely passed me by as well).
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: Frank 06 April, 2014, 12:16:48 PM

I'm not sure it went over my head, exactly, but I don't think I realised that the November print date of John Wagner's (broad) satire of the Northern Ireland peace process meant it was probably written around marching season. Shouldn't both sides be Simps?

(http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s410/sauchieboy/e4aa7b5a-4e13-4f86-a7fc-231f8b5318c9.jpg?t=1396782045)

Just a few months ahead of the Good Friday Agreement, I'm glad Mo Mowlam didn't take her cue from Dredd's two-fisted solution to that Gordian Knot. Actually, I'm sure the BLAIR-1 strip meant the prog was banned from Whitehall.

(http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s410/sauchieboy/3c5e86d1-402e-4b34-baf8-0895b503aacc.jpg?t=1396782170)
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: Dash Decent 23 April, 2014, 02:20:14 AM
Are the flashbacks in Trifecta tied back to a tea-and-biscuits meeting as a nod to Proust and his madeleines?  Or is it something from the George Smiley stories?
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: Frank 23 April, 2014, 07:01:48 AM
Are the flashbacks in Trifecta tied back to a tea-and-biscuits meeting as a nod to Proust and his madeleines?  Or is it something from the George Smiley stories?

To make Frank and Jack convincing double agents, Smiley zaps 'em so they can't recherché the temps perdu. I'll eat my hat if the biscuit dunking breaking through that fog of memory isn't a la-de-da reference to poncey French books about sod all. Smiley's name and nature (and the fact he literally brings Frank In From The Cold) make the Le Carre connection clear, but he looks much more like Alan Bennet than Alec Guiness, and the Hilda Ogden décor of Smiley's lair are much more A Cream Cracker Under The Sofa than Tinker Tailor.

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: I, Cosh 23 April, 2014, 07:34:13 AM
What the common in "common or garden" meant. As we don't have commons north of Clapham, I just thought it was a really redundant phrase.
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: JayzusB.Christ 23 April, 2014, 09:03:02 AM
What the common in "common or garden" meant. As we don't have commons north of Clapham, I just thought it was a really redundant phrase.

Well feck me pink with a lead balloon.  You learn something new every day
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: TordelBack 23 April, 2014, 09:09:52 AM
.. I'll eat my hat if the biscuit dunking breaking through that fog of memory isn't a la-de-da reference to poncey French books about sod all.

Or The Transporter (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FNQd2plVpw) version of same...
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: glassstanley 24 April, 2014, 05:39:55 AM
PSI Division - is that meant to read as P.S.I. Division? In which case the CSI link has gone over my head since the first Judge Death story until now. Always read it as 'Sigh Division'...
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: Colin YNWA 24 April, 2014, 06:17:44 AM
Yeah I've always read it as 'sigh' division. As in Psychic, guess it works either way.
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: amines2058 24 April, 2014, 06:23:51 AM
Same here with 'Sigh' division for me, but I took it as a shortening of Psionics due to the spelling, plus the fact psionics is an umbrella term covering all manner of psychic abilities (telepathy, telekinesis, pyrokenesis etc - thanks Wikipedia! ;)) which would also make sense.
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: JayzusB.Christ 24 April, 2014, 08:24:44 AM
Same here with 'Sigh' division for me, but I took it as a shortening of Psionics due to the spelling, plus the fact psionics is an umbrella term covering all manner of psychic abilities (telepathy, telekinesis, pyrokenesis etc - thanks Wikipedia! ;)) which would also make sense.

I used to call it 'P.S.I.', until I saw the coverline that said 'Bridge of Psis'.  Also, it would be horribly jarring to read it as Anderson saying something like 'The kid - She's a Pee Ess Eye!'
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: I, Cosh 24 April, 2014, 08:34:04 AM
It's "sigh", as in psychic or psionic. Although a recent cover used the CSI pun and it had to be explained to me.
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: Jim_Campbell 24 April, 2014, 09:01:34 AM
It's "sigh", as in psychic or psionic.

Of course it is — there's never been any suggestion that it's an acronym, has there? If so, what does it stand for?

Cheers

Jim
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: TordelBack 24 April, 2014, 09:07:29 AM
Also, the Greek letter Psi (the sound 'ps', and pronounced 'sigh' in English) is used as the Dept's symbol, and is associated with paranormal wotsits.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/37/Greek_psi.png/800px-Greek_psi.png)
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: Hawkmumbler 24 April, 2014, 09:10:02 AM
Sai?

(http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131211131718/mk_/images/4/40/WWWWPSIOCT-758.jpg)
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: glassstanley 24 April, 2014, 09:21:00 AM
It's "sigh", as in psychic or psionic.

Of course it is — there's never been any suggestion that it's an acronym, has there? If so, what does it stand for?

Psychic Scene Investigation?

The idea that it might *not* be pronounced 'sigh' only occured when I saw a video with Book Cook referring to the strip as Anderson P.S.I.
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: JayzusB.Christ 24 April, 2014, 05:35:12 PM
I think the Sighs have it.
What we need is Tharg* to visit us all individually and read our progs aloud for us.  Mind you, this message board would probably shrink by about 80%.

*And a droid who speaks Irish.

EDIT: Tordels, old boy, I never noticed that.  It reminds me of this article: http://www.cracked.com/photoplasty_875_25-symbols-you-never-noticed-in-everyday-life/ (http://www.cracked.com/photoplasty_875_25-symbols-you-never-noticed-in-everyday-life/). The one about binary blew my mind (though not as much as cracked.com thinks things blow people's minds).

EDIT EDIT:  That's doubly weird, Hawkmonger.  I use those things in my martial arts class; never realised they looked like the letter they sound like.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: radiator 24 April, 2014, 05:40:48 PM
Literally only just realised that 'Comixology' is a pun on 'Mixology' - ie, the preparation and mixing of Cocktails.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Frank 24 April, 2014, 05:53:40 PM
Also, the Greek letter Psi (the sound 'ps', and pronounced 'sigh' in English) is used as the Dept's symbol, and is associated with paranormal wotsits

Not only did I not know that, I hadn't even noticed that Psi Division had a symbol. (deep shame)

: Re: Things that went over your head...
: TordelBack 24 April, 2014, 06:04:04 PM
Not only did I not know that, I hadn't even noticed that Psi Division had a symbol. (deep shame)

Yes, well, that may be because I'm probably talking out of my posterior as usual.  I was absolutely sure there were loads of examples, from Shamballa in particular, but a quick flick through the bookshelf reveals precisely none

Maybe it's.... [adjusts sunglasses]... all in the mind.

EDIT: Occurs to me it may actually appear in the Anderson-in-Space stories, and thus not Psi-Div at all.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 24 April, 2014, 07:02:14 PM
 :lol: This is why I love this forum.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Fungus 24 April, 2014, 07:19:43 PM
Like most, it's 'sigh' for me.
Not least because otherwise, EVERY punning 'Next Prog' and cover tagline falls flat.
Anderson is one of the worst punning offenders, I'd say.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Dandontdare 24 April, 2014, 09:35:32 PM
The P is silent, as in "swimming pool"
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Dash Decent 24 April, 2014, 10:52:25 PM
Anderson is one of the worst punning offenders, I'd say.

We are all guilty!

(http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x418/Dash_Decent/DonMartin4_zps2d7d6efd.jpg)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: judgerufian 25 April, 2014, 02:26:17 PM
The P is silent, as in "swimming pool"

dont think that P is silent but we know what you mean!
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Link Prime 25 April, 2014, 02:37:32 PM
(SIGH)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH1XGdu-hzQ&noredirect=1
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: 8-Ball 25 April, 2014, 07:42:00 PM
When Deadlock and Nemesis are looking straight ahead it's (blindingly) obvious that they are connected to one another. Or it is now, but before I just didn't see the resemblance.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Link Prime 25 April, 2014, 08:27:23 PM
When Deadlock and Nemesis are looking straight ahead it's (blindingly) obvious that they are connected to one another. Or it is now, but before I just didn't see the resemblance.

There's always been a passable similarity back in the day, even if it was just Deadlock's 'maw'.
Bisley's stint on the ABC Warriors in the late 80's was the first time I became acutely aware of it, and Deadlock's similarity to Nemesis has never been more pronounced (or cool looking) when drawn by Henry Flint.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: 8-Ball 25 April, 2014, 10:35:20 PM
When Deadlock and Nemesis are looking straight ahead it's (blindingly) obvious that they are connected to one another. Or it is now, but before I just didn't see the resemblance.

There's always been a passable similarity back in the day, even if it was just Deadlock's 'maw'.
Bisley's stint on the ABC Warriors in the late 80's was the first time I became acutely aware of it, and Deadlock's similarity to Nemesis has never been more pronounced (or cool looking) when drawn by Henry Flint.

I've been watching that creator video of Kevin O'Neill discussing the origins of Nemesis and how he based the (previously unseen) character's head on the Blitzspear after discarding other concepts. It's an amazing coincidence that two characters seemingly created independently of each other should end up looking so similar. Either that or Kevin O'Neill has some weird recurring shit going on in his head.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Frank 25 April, 2014, 10:44:43 PM
Kevin O'Neill has some weird recurring shit going on in his head

Understatement of the year, neebs.

: Re: Things that went over your head...
: maryanddavid 25 April, 2014, 10:52:46 PM
Deadlock was originally meant to be the occupant of the Blitzspear.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 26 April, 2014, 12:00:48 AM
Deadlock was originally meant to be the occupant of the Blitzspear.

I demand an explanation,  (S)He-Who-Is-Named-Twice.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: maryanddavid 26 April, 2014, 12:32:14 AM
2000AD annual 1983 page 68.
 David will suffice, I suppose I really should change the name, totally greenhorn I thought username was email back when and used the current one, so I couldn't be arsed. I hate when someone changes their user and pic, I have no idea of who is posting with 5000 posts to their name, except Trout who always keeps it marine.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: A.Cow 26 April, 2014, 01:51:54 AM
Back in 1978 at the tender age of 9, my family went on holiday -- my very first time -- to the exotic land of Weston Super Mare.  So many things were different, including ITV.  For the first time in my life I experienced a different TV region first-hand!

When I went to try to find my beloved 2000 AD in a newsagent I found this:

(http://www.2000ad.org/covers/2000ad/mediumres/78.jpg)

For months afterwards I was convinced that they just had their own regional version of 2000 AD, just like ITV.  It was ages before I finally twigged that it was a one-off cover and a total coincidence.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Fungus 26 April, 2014, 02:07:31 AM
Haha Cow  :) Victim of a top cover.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 26 April, 2014, 09:47:04 AM
 :lol: It took me ages to find that Big Dave one during the Summer Offensive.  I loved the cover but according to Viz it really doesn't help sales.

Also, thanks for the reference, David, I'll check it out when I get a chance
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Frank 01 May, 2014, 09:18:41 PM

Wig dude in Alan Bennett's The Madness Of King George III responds to someone pointing out that he has acted illegally by quipping I AM THE LAW!

: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 03 May, 2014, 12:57:34 AM
just wondering:  Did anyone fail to realise that Frank Quitely was a pseudonym? I copped it straight away; but I'm only curious.  I won't judge you for it. I'm on your side.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Fungus 03 May, 2014, 02:23:59 AM
No way on this good Earth is Quitely a real surname. That much was obvious.
Beyond that, it wasn't a thrusting pun of a pseudonym, so I always assumed it was just a bit lame.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: A.Cow 03 May, 2014, 02:25:42 AM
just wondering:  Did anyone fail to realise that Frank Quitely was a pseudonym? I copped it straight away; but I'm only curious.  I won't judge you for it. I'm on your side.

Eh?  I presumed it was a real name.  If there's a gag in there I don't get it.

EDIT:  Ah.  Just looked it up -- hadn't realised it was a spoonerism.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Jim_Campbell 03 May, 2014, 08:53:25 AM
No way on this good Earth is Quitely a real surname. That much was obvious.

Well, yes, but Warren Pleece is Warren's real name, I believe, so stranger things have happened…

Cheers

Jim
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Frank 03 May, 2014, 10:05:23 AM

I often wondered if his brother Gary was just playing along with the joke, or whether the name Gary Pleece was a clever pun or reference I didn't understand.

I first saw Quitely's work on The Greens (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-cBb8Ud0Loz0/Tyr0X8Ch8II/AAAAAAAAA3A/CrgYQnYydXM/s1600/Quitely_3.jpg) in Electric Soup, where the allusions to classic cartoonist of old made it seem much more obvious he was working under a pen name (the initials reminded me of Fred Quimby too). I'm not sure I would have twigged so readily if I'd been introduced to him in the world of action-adventure comics, where pseudonyms are much more rare. Shaky Kane and Smudge spring to mind, but I'm not sure Chris Halls/Cunningham or the occasional, temporary LJ Silver or Q Twerk count. Anyone want to inform me that Todd Macfarlane is actually Chaim Abrahamovitch?

: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 06 May, 2014, 10:09:59 AM
I never copped the pun in Warren Pleece (even though there isn't one, but you know what I mean).  I remember Frank Quitely in Electric Soup; clearly a big fish in a small pond.  I seriously doubt if the Rocky McBlaw artist ever made it to DC.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Skullmo 06 May, 2014, 11:03:36 AM

I often wondered if his brother Gary was just playing along with the joke, or whether the name Gary Pleece was a clever pun or reference I didn't understand.

I first saw Quitely's work on The Greens (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-cBb8Ud0Loz0/Tyr0X8Ch8II/AAAAAAAAA3A/CrgYQnYydXM/s1600/Quitely_3.jpg) in Electric Soup, where the allusions to classic cartoonist of old made it seem much more obvious he was working under a pen name (the initials reminded me of Fred Quimby too). I'm not sure I would have twigged so readily if I'd been introduced to him in the world of action-adventure comics, where pseudonyms are much more rare. Shaky Kane and Smudge spring to mind, but I'm not sure Chris Halls/Cunningham or the occasional, temporary LJ Silver or Q Twerk count. Anyone want to inform me that Todd Macfarlane is actually Chaim Abrahamovitch?

Not forgetting Jock of course!
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Bubba Zebill 06 May, 2014, 12:45:36 PM
Not sure I would have caught it 'Quite Frankly'...a mate of mine, a big fan of The Greens (as was I), pointed it out to me. Always liked it as a pseudonym.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Frank 06 May, 2014, 05:27:14 PM
I remember Frank Quitely in Electric Soup; clearly a big fish in a small pond.  I seriously doubt if the Rocky McBlaw artist ever made it to DC

I bet Electric Soup sold more copies in the nineties than most DC comics do now.

: Re: Things that went over your head...
: ming 12 May, 2014, 10:59:16 AM
Not something that went over my head but rather went into my head and stayed there... Rather than start a thread for 'Ways that 2000AD warped your brain' (actually, not such a bad idea) I'll dump it here:

I find it impossible to hear Kenny Everett's voice without picturing him as drawn by Kevin O'Neill in Terror Tube.

(http://i.imgur.com/7jLUGZY.jpg)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: A.Cow 13 May, 2014, 11:56:12 PM
Using Kenny Everett to make a tenuous (non-2000 AD) link to Top of the Pops, I've only just realised that TOTP dancers Lipps, Inc. is a pun on "lip-sync".

How the hell did I miss that for 35 years?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: M.I.K. 14 May, 2014, 02:07:29 AM
Probably the same way you've managed to confuse Legs & Co. with the folk who performed Funky Town.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: A.Cow 14 May, 2014, 04:51:18 AM
Probably the same way you've managed to confuse Legs & Co. with the folk who performed Funky Town.

D'Oh!  I'll get me coat...
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: TordelBack 14 May, 2014, 08:59:20 AM
Just think, after a long roller-coaster of a career which included hosting daytime quiz shows, breakfast TV and helming some fondly-remembered but loss-making slapstick comedy films based on his old characters, Kenny would by now have a knighthood and a much-loved late night radio slot where he mixed his esoteric record collection with surreal links in a slower version of his clipped delivery, with regular guest appearances on Graham Norton where he would mortify Hollywood types like an old pro.   :'(
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Frank 31 May, 2014, 06:52:02 PM

Prog 1226 features a Dredd story (Robbie Morrison and Simon Fraser's Something Over My Shoulder Is Drooling ...) about a psychic kid called Kelvin who kills folk with his powers. Prog 1227 features Wagner and Duncan Fegredo's The Bad Juve ... which is about a psychic kid called Kelvin who uses his abilities to murder people. They're not clearly not supposed to be the same character either.

 
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Steve Green 31 May, 2014, 06:55:11 PM
I can't remember the second one, but I do remember the first Calvin and Hobbes homage.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Frank 31 May, 2014, 07:24:00 PM
I can't remember the second one, but I do remember the first Calvin and Hobbes homage.

The kid in the Wagner story (http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s410/sauchieboy/AD1227-Page3BadJuve.jpg)'s called Kelvin, but his nickname is Spook.

: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Steve Green 31 May, 2014, 07:39:40 PM
Ah, yeah I remember that now. Was more along the lines of Primo(?) the Pyrokinetic.

I seem to remember the Robbie Morrison one was explicitly Calvin and Hobbes with a psychically manifested mutant tiger?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Frank 31 May, 2014, 07:47:28 PM
I seem to remember the Robbie Morrison one was explicitly Calvin and Hobbes with a psychically manifested mutant tiger?

It's exactly as great as that premise suggests (http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s410/sauchieboy/AD1226-Page4CCalvinampHobbes.jpg)!

: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Frank 01 June, 2014, 10:52:00 AM

(http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s410/sauchieboy/36cc5402-8dde-4576-92fa-306871dab77a.jpg?t=1401615691http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s410/sauchieboy/36cc5402-8dde-4576-92fa-306871dab77a.jpg?t=1401615691)

Wagner and Will Simpson's Chief Judge's Man (1244-1248) - The Public Deception Unit is a throwaway line someone should have gotten an entire series out of. Chief Judge's Man isn't a story I remember particularly fondly, but it contains another great line illustrating the cynicism and artifice of MC1, where a talk show host describes his guest's inflammatory rhetoric as having drawn gasps of astonishment from the show's audience simulator.

: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Frank 08 June, 2014, 09:18:12 PM
You make a great point, Sauchie. Prog 1874, the Terror Tale by Alec Worley and Mark Harrison features a spooky abandoned amusement park being explored by Daphne and Velma. The park is called Kitsuneland, presumably after its founder, 2000ad art genius Edmund Bagwell (nee Kitsune (http://comicbookdb.com/creator.php?ID=28597)):

(http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s410/sauchieboy/a4070d59-81da-450a-bf8e-1f050a7e28a8.jpg?t=1402258191)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: ZenArcade 08 June, 2014, 09:36:21 PM
Jeepers dirk/sauchie, cool solo dialogue thing you've got going there.  :lol:
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Theblazeuk 09 June, 2014, 10:29:10 AM
That went over my head, I assumed it was a mythology thing but then it's a cat and not a fox so you're probably on the money.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Frank 09 June, 2014, 05:26:15 PM
That went over my head, I assumed it was a mythology thing but then it's a cat and not a fox so you're probably on the money

No, I think you're probably right. Can you believe I never thought to google the word Kitsune (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitsune)?

: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Dash Decent 11 June, 2014, 12:54:58 PM
It only clicked this morning that the "four cred freezy whip" thread is named after an early moment in Block Mania.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 26 June, 2014, 06:49:35 PM
It's only occurred to me now that 'dogchips' that G.I.s' personalities were stored on were so-called because real G.I.s' identities were engraved on dogtags.  Christ, I'm thick.
Lucky they changed the name to biochips.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: 8-Ball 26 June, 2014, 11:05:20 PM
It wasn't until a recent purchase of The Art Of Kenny Who that it dawned on me that Scotland would have been bombed back into the stone age (becoming Cal Hab) due the fact that we have nukes at Faslane and therefore we would be a first strike target by the Sovs.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Fungus 27 June, 2014, 01:51:03 AM
due the fact that we have nukes at Faslane

Not after 2014... food for thought.
: Re: Re: Things that went over your head...
: glassstanley 07 September, 2014, 08:20:15 AM
The planet Zed in Strontium Dog's 'The Killing' is so-called because the planet's real name is the unpronounceable ZDWHKKRSWRLD.

The planet-namers could just as easily have reinstated the missing vowels to give Whicker's World.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: The Enigmatic Dr X 07 September, 2014, 09:58:20 AM
This post:

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r153/brnwlsh/Batman-TheDarkKnightReturns-192.jpg)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Hawkmumbler 07 September, 2014, 10:01:13 AM
Isn't it fairly obvious? :lol:
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Frank 07 September, 2014, 10:17:02 AM

Guia para iniciantes que se interessam em ler o Juiz Dredd, feito pelo 2000 AD Brasil para o Grupo HQs S/A. Vale lembrar que a Juiz Dredd Megazine pode ser lida fora da ordem, a qualquer momento, por isso foi posicionada no final.


(https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/t31.0-8/s720x720/1540492_338641236312068_4188980322905666297_o.png)


No Day The Law Died, and the Death Fist stories come before Blockmania?  ¡Ay, caramba!


: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Bubba Zebill 08 September, 2014, 09:23:59 AM
(http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130315213325/judgedredd/images/3/3e/DreddAnnual19890018.jpg)

Maybe this is the most obvious thing in the world (it certainly seems to be now) but it went right over my head until last night.

The Judge Dredd story 'Father Earth' printed in 1979 was obviously a dig at flower-power hippies and cultists but I don't think I ever knew how closely it was based on a real group.

Father Earth is almost identical to 'Father Yod' of the Source Family. Not only that but the Dredd story perfectly captures Yod's contradictions, messianic behaviour, increasing insanity, anti-science, apocalypticism and criminal origins.

(http://progressive.homestead.com/yahowa/webYAHOWABW.jpg)

In addition something happens in the Father Earth story that I thought ludicrously funny when I first read it. I won't spoil either the Dredd story or the documentary but there is a similarly ludicrous event in the history of Father Yod. Again, I found myself laughing.

Also, they move to new territory and are hounded by local police...anyway, several comparisons can be made.

It also gives me a new appreciation for the kind of writing (for impressionable young minds) that tears apart this kind of 'cultist' nonsense...and kicks dust in its face.

Check it out, this documentary is available on Netflix and it's (IMHO) mind blowing. Enjoy!
Trailer...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3f4aleOAxo
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Steve Green 08 September, 2014, 05:30:34 PM
I did wonder if this dated back to Garth Ennis' run, and Murphyville being turned into a theme park.

But it seems to be a more recent thing.

http://www.taytocrisps.ie/park/ (http://www.taytocrisps.ie/park/)

"Spudgun to chips"
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: TordelBack 08 September, 2014, 05:40:13 PM
Don't knock Tayto Park, it's surprisingly good fun - and in the process of expanding (much like its client base).  However, despite the most elevated expectations, you will still be shocked by the quantity of crisps you will consume/acquire during your visit.  Some stereotypes are just oft-repeated facts.

Good catch on Yod there, Bubba - never knew that.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Frank 08 September, 2014, 06:08:49 PM

Me neither. Douglas Wolk points out the frequent mentions of Lobsang Rampa (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lobsang_Rampa) in the work of Wagner and Grant too, suggesting that obscure, semi-comic, mystical figures occupied a significant place in their imaginative lives. Grant says Wagner went through a phase where he wore a kaftan - maybe they had the same flirtation with alternative lifestyles and quackery as the rest of the ME generation.


: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Dandontdare 09 September, 2014, 11:33:09 AM
I was re-reading The Restricted Files last night, and the story "Mega Miami" where illegally smuggled robots from Mexico were referred to as wustbacks, sorry, rustbacks. I remember reading this as a kid but it wasn't until much much later that I first heard the term 'wetback' and the penny dropped.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: AlexF 09 September, 2014, 04:12:14 PM
Ace Trucking Co's 'The Doppelgarp' involves a planetful of chickens and fowl-based puns, from 'Rooster Cogburn' to the 'Dave Cluck Five' - two of the jokes I did get as a child. Local scar-faced gang boss, Al Capon, flew right over my head until a recent re-read, now armed with the knowledge that a 'capon' happens to be a small variant of chicken.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Bubba Zebill 09 September, 2014, 10:49:07 PM
Don't knock Tayto Park, it's surprisingly good fun - and in the process of expanding (much like its client base).  However, despite the most elevated expectations, you will still be shocked by the quantity of crisps you will consume/acquire during your visit.  Some stereotypes are just oft-repeated facts.

Good catch on Yod there, Bubba - never knew that.


Me neither. Douglas Wolk points out the frequent mentions of Lobsang Rampa (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lobsang_Rampa) in the work of Wagner and Grant too, suggesting that obscure, semi-comic, mystical figures occupied a significant place in their imaginative lives. Grant says Wagner went through a phase where he wore a kaftan - maybe they had the same flirtation with alternative lifestyles and quackery as the rest of the ME generation.

Cheers, a big surprise to me too as I read that story forever ago. I missed references to Lobsang Rampa...are there any links to the Wolk mentions? ...well, if handy, much appreciated.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Frank 09 September, 2014, 11:20:28 PM

I'd never heard of Rampa or noticed the recurrence of the name until I read Wolk's blog - I'm sure I just thought it was a funny MC1 name, and it strikes me that might be just as likely an explanation of the apparent fascination as any possible Grant/Wagner interest in mysticism. One mention I did notice after reading Wolk's blog was a road sign reading Lobsang Ramp in the Wagner/Burns Megazine Dredd story Sleaze:

"Satan" has a brief sequence involving one Lobsang Gump. That first name has shown up a few times over the years in Dredd-universe stories (including one of the Branch Moronians, and the more recent "Lobsang Rampage"); it has to be a reference to the dubious British mysticist Lobsang Rampa

http://dreddreviews.blogspot.co.uk/2011/12/judge-anderson-psi-division-shamballa.html


As for the other new-to-this-survey material here: "Lobsang Rampage"--another Lobsang Rampa joke!--isn't great, but it's the only Andy Clarke-drawn episode that's not part of a longer arc (although it calls on the Nero Narcos stuff for context)

http://dreddreviews.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/mega-city-masters-03.html
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: I, Cosh 09 September, 2014, 11:36:30 PM
Got to be deliberate then. Isn't Sleaze part of the lead in to Doomsday and Lobsang Rampage during the aftermath? Is that what those links actually say?

Kind of assumed the latter was a reference I was missing but thought it was maybe an MC1 thing which my lack of Megs had cost me.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Bubba Zebill 10 September, 2014, 09:00:24 AM
At some point they may have had an interest in these alternative lifestyles...if you can call it that...but Father Earth really takes the mickey out of guru's...as do these Lobsang Rampa references. A youthful dalliance turned sour with the wisdom of maturity maybe perhaps. Good for them - and good for us  :)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: James Stacey 10 September, 2014, 10:58:48 AM
Is it possibly the source of Lobster Random too ?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Dash Decent 10 September, 2014, 11:23:56 PM
Maybe we need an "Annotated 2000AD" thread to point things out as they come through?

Aux Drift = Rorke's Drift (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Rorke's_Drift).

Though the burning issue remains why none of the Aux has been called Ronnie Barker.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: I, Cosh 11 September, 2014, 12:03:13 AM
Maybe we need an "Annotated 2000AD" thread to point things out as they come through?

Aux Drift = Rorke's Drift (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Rorke's_Drift).

Though the burning issue remains why none of the Aux has been called Ronnie Barker.
Good one. Hopefully you can get a royalty on that if Abnett tries to sneak it in.

Sadly, I am old enough to remember (and have built the cutouts from) the old Warhammer scenario Bllodbath at Orc's Drift (http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/29902/blood-bath-orcs-drift) so you wont catch me like that.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Staz Johnson 11 September, 2014, 10:24:10 AM
(http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130315213325/judgedredd/images/3/3e/DreddAnnual19890018.jpg)

Maybe this is the most obvious thing in the world (it certainly seems to be now) but it went right over my head until last night.

The Judge Dredd story 'Father Earth' printed in 1979 was obviously a dig at flower-power hippies and cultists but I don't think I ever knew how closely it was based on a real group.

Father Earth is almost identical to 'Father Yod' of the Source Family. Not only that but the Dredd story perfectly captures Yod's contradictions, messianic behaviour, increasing insanity, anti-science, apocalypticism and criminal origins.

(http://progressive.homestead.com/yahowa/webYAHOWABW.jpg)

In addition something happens in the Father Earth story that I thought ludicrously funny when I first read it. I won't spoil either the Dredd story or the documentary but there is a similarly ludicrous event in the history of Father Yod. Again, I found myself laughing.

Also, they move to new territory and are hounded by local police...anyway, several comparisons can be made.

It also gives me a new appreciation for the kind of writing (for impressionable young minds) that tears apart this kind of 'cultist' nonsense...and kicks dust in its face.

Check it out, this documentary is available on Netflix and it's (IMHO) mind blowing. Enjoy!
Trailer...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3f4aleOAxo

I read an interview with art droid Bolland in (fanzine) Arkensword back in the early 80's, & if I remember correctly, he says he modelled Father Earth on himself, since he sympathised with the 'green' point of view rather than Dredd's world view.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Dash Decent 11 September, 2014, 12:25:22 PM
Though the burning issue remains why none of the Aux has been called Ronnie Barker.
Good one. Hopefully you can get a royalty on that if Abnett tries to sneak it in.

Maybe I should come up with a huge list so no matter what Mr Abnett does I can claim I thought of it first.  Okay, go!

1. Edward Woofwoof.
2. Er....
3.



: Re: Things that went over your head...
: ming 11 September, 2014, 12:31:42 PM
Though the burning issue remains why none of the Aux has been called Ronnie Barker.
Good one. Hopefully you can get a royalty on that if Abnett tries to sneak it in.

Maybe I should come up with a huge list so no matter what Mr Abnett does I can claim I thought of it first.  Okay, go!

1. Edward Woofwoof.
2. Er....
3.

On a slightly related note, it was only recently that I learned why Edward Woodward has so many Ds in his name...

Because otherwise he'd be called Ewar Woowar. :D
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Skullmo 11 September, 2014, 12:41:15 PM
Though the burning issue remains why none of the Aux has been called Ronnie Barker.
Good one. Hopefully you can get a royalty on that if Abnett tries to sneak it in.

Maybe I should come up with a huge list so no matter what Mr Abnett does I can claim I thought of it first.  Okay, go!

1. Edward Woofwoof.
2. Er....
3.

On a slightly related note, it was only recently that I learned why Edward Woodward has so many Ds in his name...

Because otherwise he'd be called Ewar Woowar. :D

what do you call a man with 3 wooden heads?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Dash Decent 11 September, 2014, 01:23:04 PM
Or even, do you know what you call a man balancing four planks on his head?
No?  Well Edward Woodward would!
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: radiator 12 September, 2014, 06:20:31 PM
Only very recently twigged that the record shop in High Fidelity - Championship Vinyl - is a pun on 'Championship Final'.

In my defence I've only ever seen the (Americanised) film. And I hate football.

Also, obligatory:

Nothing goes over my head.

My reflexes are too fast.

I would catch them.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Devons Daddy 16 September, 2014, 04:03:04 PM

the joke
I operated on my own BRAIN,

to me was always BRIAN, as i read it as such, due to dyslexia and the utter inability to spell.
i only realised i may have been wrong years later when reading the Thrill power Overload story on it.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Theblazeuk 17 September, 2014, 10:06:51 AM
They saved Hitler's Brian!

: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Magnetica 17 September, 2014, 08:15:10 PM
Here's one I noticed today.

So there is an Austrian football team called "Sturm Graz".

You know that stuff the Judge's use to control riots? Not riot foam, the other one, Stumm Gas.


Is that close enough?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 18 September, 2014, 10:06:02 PM
Or even, do you know what you call a man balancing four planks on his head?
No?  Well Edward Woodward would!

This joke, and the one in the previous post, went straight over my head... till I finally realised that it doesn't work in an Irish accent.  Which is a pity, as I'd really like to tell it to people.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Dash Decent 19 September, 2014, 01:35:48 PM
Sorry JBC.  Maybe you can use this one instead:

What do you call a woman with a boat tied to her?
Maude.

Failing that, how good are you at putting on other accents?
: Re: Re: Things that went over your head...
: glassstanley 20 September, 2014, 12:55:53 PM
Just discovered that Steely Dan's 3rd album was called Pretzel Logic. The Dredd variant appeared I. prog 304.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Frank 21 September, 2014, 01:44:32 PM

So prog 1900's Block Judge, where injury to a presiding block judge means Dredd has to fill-in and deal with the mental residents of a rundown city block, is a fantastic 'new' story from Wagner and Ezquerra, is it? Some of us don't have the wool pulled over our eyes so easily- this 'new' 10 part mini-epic is doing nothing but expanding on the premise of a single issue story which was published a mere 13 years ago.

They've barely even bothered to change the title (Block Court, Wagner & Kennedy, prog 1284)


(http://i.imgur.com/VjhmPFR.jpg?1)

: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Frank 28 September, 2014, 10:33:42 AM

That Dolman's had more than face-change surgery:

(http://i.imgur.com/lOLQEo7.jpg?1)


She's had city reassignment surgery too. From Wagner and Marshall's Escape From Atlantis, prog 1285, 3/4/2002.

: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Bad City Blue 28 September, 2014, 01:19:49 PM
I was reading an old story last night where a Judge jumps in front of MacGruder to save her from an assassin.

The judge's name is Judge Coster.

tee hee
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Frank 28 September, 2014, 01:33:37 PM
I was reading an old story last night where a Judge jumps in front of MacGruder to save her from an assassin. The judge's name is Judge Coster. tee hee

Different Chief Judge (Volt), different spelling of the name Costner:



The name badge of CJ Volt's personal protection officer in Mark Millar's voodoo assassin nonsense, The Big Hit (prog 1030, art by Graham Stoddard and Jack Couvella):

(http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s410/sauchieboy/0654ccdf-90fb-4b9f-81cd-f3104820f8b6.jpg?t=1394385402)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 04 October, 2014, 11:42:37 AM
Sorry JBC.  Maybe you can use this one instead:

What do you call a woman with a boat tied to her?
Maude.

Failing that, how good are you at putting on other accents?

Gaahh!  I still can't use it!  That said, I am alright at putting on other accents; at least until someone with that accent heards me.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Dash Decent 04 October, 2014, 10:12:04 PM
Okay then, what do you call a man with no arms and no legs you find floating in your swimming pool?
Bob.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Hawkmumbler 05 October, 2014, 10:11:49 AM
Okay then, what do you call a man with no arms and no legs you find floating in your swimming pool?
Bob.
Stop. Right. Their.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 06 October, 2014, 07:19:50 AM
Okay then, what do you call a man with no arms and no legs you find floating in your swimming pool?
Bob.

Well, that works in my accent... but everyone knows that one, no?  Bob was even a character in Will Self's My Idea of Fun: a limbless Scotsman, he was, heroically working his way round a swimming pool.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: I, Cosh 06 October, 2014, 02:36:58 PM
Sorry JBC.  Maybe you can use this one instead:

What do you call a woman with a boat tied to her?
Maude.

Failing that, how good are you at putting on other accents?
I still don't get this one. What sort of accent do you need?
: Re: Re: Things that went over your head...
: glassstanley 06 October, 2014, 04:12:22 PM
'moored'
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Proudhuff 06 October, 2014, 07:04:14 PM
Sorry JBC.  Maybe you can use this one instead:

What do you call a woman with a boat tied to her?
Maude.
Failing that, how good are you at putting on other accents?
I still don't get this one. What sort of accent do you need?


Try Winston Churchill?

I could never understand the 'better jaw, jaw, war, war' thing until done in that accent( ie don't pronnounce the Rs)

see also the current Kingdom Js Back/Bach, if you use the Loch 'ch' it doesn't work either  ;)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Ancient Otter 06 October, 2014, 08:40:30 PM

I'd never heard of Rampa or noticed the recurrence of the name until I read Wolk's blog - I'm sure I just thought it was a funny MC1 name, and it strikes me that might be just as likely an explanation of the apparent fascination as any possible Grant/Wagner interest in mysticism. One mention I did notice after reading Wolk's blog was a road sign reading Lobsang Ramp in the Wagner/Burns Megazine Dredd story Sleaze:

"Satan" has a brief sequence involving one Lobsang Gump. That first name has shown up a few times over the years in Dredd-universe stories (including one of the Branch Moronians, and the more recent "Lobsang Rampage"); it has to be a reference to the dubious British mysticist Lobsang Rampa

http://dreddreviews.blogspot.co.uk/2011/12/judge-anderson-psi-division-shamballa.html


As for the other new-to-this-survey material here: "Lobsang Rampage"--another Lobsang Rampa joke!--isn't great, but it's the only Andy Clarke-drawn episode that's not part of a longer arc (although it calls on the Nero Narcos stuff for context)

http://dreddreviews.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/mega-city-masters-03.html

Would Lobsang Rampa also a reference to or even just a influence on the name of the character Lobster Random? Or just pure coincidence?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Dash Decent 07 October, 2014, 12:48:47 PM
... but everyone knows that one, no?

A man you find in the letterbox? Bill.
A man you find on your doorstep? Matt.
A man you find hanging on your wall? Art.
A man with a seagull on his head? Cliff.
A man with 20 rabbits up his bum (or nose, depending on audience)? Warren.
A lady with only one leg? Eileen.
A Japanese lady with only one leg? Irene.
A woman you see in the distance? Dot.
A woman with sausages on her head? Barbie.
A man with a shovel through his head? Doug.
A man without a shovel through his head? Douglas.
A man with no knees? Neil
A man you find under a car? Jack.
A man lifting crates onto a ship? Derek.
A woman lying on a tennis court? Annette.
A man dressed in a brown paper suit? Russell.
A forum member with a sense of desperation? Dash Decent.

Thus ends my career as a thread hijacker.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: I, Cosh 07 October, 2014, 02:26:29 PM
Sorry JBC.  Maybe you can use this one instead:

What do you call a woman with a boat tied to her?
Maude.
Failing that, how good are you at putting on other accents?
I still don't get this one. What sort of accent do you need?
Try Winston Churchill?
Aha! Remember the fun we had when the tagline on the Meg was: He is the Gore.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Dandontdare 07 October, 2014, 05:13:42 PM
you missed the woman with a pint of lager balanced on her head - Beatrix
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Frank 19 October, 2014, 02:51:07 PM

Judge Dredd: Hard Day's Night, prog 1339 (5/7/2003), by Morrison, Goddard, Teague, Blythe:


(http://i.imgur.com/FiNK615.jpg?1)


So what's the story here? I'm working my way through progs from 2003, and I've previously seen the names of former boarders Mogzilla and Scojo scrawled across walls and used as names of businesses. Was Tharg auctioning-off mentions for charity, or were creators just trying to curry favour with the squeakiest wheels on the relatively new phenomenon of message boards? Can I look forward to a shoot-out in the TordelBack Hottie House involving the Professor Bear Block Y-Dults?

I would have read those names at the time without having a clue who/what they referred to, since at that time The Internet was something my brother had to sneak me into his university and give me a loan of his login to access.


: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Richmond Clements 19 October, 2014, 03:13:44 PM

Judge Dredd: Hard Day's Night, prog 1339 (5/7/2003), by Morrison, Goddard, Teague, Blythe:


(http://i.imgur.com/FiNK615.jpg?1)


So what's the story here? I'm working my way through progs from 2003, and I've previously seen the names of former boarders Mogzilla and Scojo scrawled across walls and used as names of businesses. Was Tharg auctioning-off mentions for charity, or were creators just trying to curry favour with the squeakiest wheels on the relatively new phenomenon of message boards? Can I look forward to a shoot-out in the TordelBack Hottie House involving the Professor Bear Block Y-Dults?

I would have read those names at the time without having a clue who/what they referred to, since at that time The Internet was something my brother had to sneak me into his university and give me a loan of his login to access.

That episode, if memory serves, also has a panel in a corridor where the names of many boarders from that time are scrawled on the wall.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Frank 19 October, 2014, 03:25:42 PM
That episode, if memory serves, also has a panel in a corridor where the names of many boarders from that time are scrawled on the wall.

You do have a good memory, Rich. Saw this plethora of fan-wanking as I read on, but didn't want to double-post. Spurrier had been published by this point, but Barney says Arthur Wyatt was still just a fanboy like Jayzus B Christ (two mentions):


(http://i.imgur.com/96qxVf6.jpg?1)


: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Lobo Baggins 19 October, 2014, 03:39:37 PM
Not actually 2000AD related, but I always knew that this * was called an asterisk,  but it made me grin like a loon to find † is called an obelisk...

*Nothing to see here, move along

I won't tell you again...
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Richmond Clements 19 October, 2014, 03:49:04 PM
http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php?topic=4947.0
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Frank 19 October, 2014, 04:06:58 PM
http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php?topic=4947.0

Cheers, Rich. Is that Molcher (longmanshort) moaning about not being in 2000ad? Haunting message boards in the early 21st century appears to have been a great way to get your work into the prog - I can't wait to read the serialisation of Hawkmonger's manga epic about polysexual deep sea divers in prog 2024.


: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 20 October, 2014, 05:33:58 PM
That episode, if memory serves, also has a panel in a corridor where the names of many boarders from that time are scrawled on the wall.

You do have a good memory, Rich. Saw this plethora of fan-wanking as I read on, but didn't want to double-post. Spurrier had been published by this point, but Barney says Arthur Wyatt was still just a fanboy like Jayzus B Christ (two mentions):


(http://i.imgur.com/96qxVf6.jpg?1)

While it wasn't quite up there with Goaty's silver screen scrawls, I was chuffed. I had kind of begged him for it on the forum, to be fair
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Theblazeuk 20 October, 2014, 07:39:01 PM
Old hat for many of you I am sure but where is Goaty (and any other forumlings) visible in Dredd?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Hawkmumbler 20 October, 2014, 07:46:45 PM
I shall await my turn, in time.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Frank 20 October, 2014, 07:53:41 PM
Old hat for many of you I am sure but where is Goaty (and any other forumlings) visible in Dredd?

JOE SOAP's ugly mug can be seen on a billboard at the side of the skedway, Command Forces is part of the on-screen ticker during the news footage of disorder at the start of the film, Radiator is the radiator to which Kay is cuffed, and that bit of squiggly graffiti you can't quite make out says sauchie. Nobody is sure where Goaty was mentioned, and it's never been discussed here.


: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Theblazeuk 20 October, 2014, 09:30:42 PM
Radiator is the radiator to which Kay is cuffed

 ;) Surely...
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: radiator 23 October, 2014, 12:35:20 AM
I only realised embarrassingly recently that Kevin Rahm (Mad Men's Ted Chaough) is actually not just a very (very) well-preserved James Spader.

I mean, it's not just me who think that they look uncannily similar is it? (*Googles* apparently not, phew).

(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/2651867648/h85085248/)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Frank 23 October, 2014, 05:47:53 PM

Given the shiny suits of the period, he reminded me of Commander Straker from UFO:

(http://www.showbiz411.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/ted-chaough.jpg)

(http://www.isoshado.org/6/6_merchandise_archivio/pr.fander.photo/itc105.JPG)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: A.Cow 12 April, 2015, 06:50:20 AM
Was just re-reading Portrait of a Mutant, which features the Kreelers' symbol prominently -- vertical box with an X through.  However, I realised that I don't actually know what the vertical box is supposed to represent.  Presumably mutation but how?

(http://wingsoverscotland.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/kreelman.jpg)

No thermometers?
No hotdogs?
No Nintendo Wiis?

Please could someone put me out of my misery?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: NapalmKev 12 April, 2015, 07:31:39 AM
Was just re-reading Portrait of a Mutant, which features the Kreelers' symbol prominently -- vertical box with an X through.  However, I realised that I don't actually know what the vertical box is supposed to represent.  Presumably mutation but how?

(http://wingsoverscotland.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/kreelman.jpg)

No thermometers?
No hotdogs?
No Nintendo Wiis?

Please could someone put me out of my misery?

I think it's supposed to represent a strand of Mutant DNA.

Cheers
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Dash Decent 12 April, 2015, 11:52:13 AM
It's a mutant letterbox.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Hawkmumbler 12 April, 2015, 11:56:33 AM
A lot of people in Yorkshire have vertical letterboxes. That explains where all Britain's mutants are then.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Lobo Baggins 12 April, 2015, 12:07:19 PM
Was just re-reading Portrait of a Mutant, which features the Kreelers' symbol prominently -- vertical box with an X through.  However, I realised that I don't actually know what the vertical box is supposed to represent.  Presumably mutation but how?

(http://wingsoverscotland.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/kreelman.jpg)

No thermometers?
No hotdogs?
No Nintendo Wiis?

Please could someone put me out of my misery?

Looks a bit like the Norse rune Iar, 'serpent'.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Lobo Baggins 12 April, 2015, 12:26:16 PM
Looks a bit like the Norse rune Iar, 'serpent'.

...which is used to represent the dragon Nidhogg, which is also the term used for someone with no honour, the other word for which (Nīþ) became the Old English word nithe, which in modern English is...

Hate.

There you go... either Strontium Dog is much, much deeper than we thought or it's an absolutely massive but nevertheless utterly brilliant coincidence!
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Jacqusie 13 April, 2015, 01:48:21 AM
At 40 years young, I only just got Adam Ant this year...

*sigh*
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: ThryllSeekyr 13 April, 2015, 03:35:09 AM
Looks a bit like the Norse rune Iar, 'serpent'.

...which is used to represent the dragon Nidhogg, which is also the term used for someone with no honour, the other word for which (Nīþ) became the Old English word nithe, which in modern English is...

Hate.


Have you played the game, you can get  it (http://store.steampowered.com/app/94400/) on Steam.
: Re: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Lobo Baggins 25 May, 2015, 07:23:37 PM
Here's one that's still going over my head. Not because of a double-meaning, but because it's only ever been printed and not said out loud. Did the Sovs have Strato-'vees' or Strato-'fives'?

Necroposting somewhat...

I always assumed that the name was a reference to the guitars the Fender Stratocaster and the Gibson Flying V so it's always been 'Strato Vee' for me..
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Dash Decent 26 May, 2015, 11:39:20 AM
Was just re-reading Portrait of a Mutant, which features the Kreelers' symbol prominently -- vertical box with an X through.  However, I realised that I don't actually know what the vertical box is supposed to represent.  Presumably mutation but how?

Perhaps it's Cyclops from the X-men's visor (= mutant) crossed out (= no mutants) and turned sideways (= please don't sue us, Marvel).
: Re: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Fungus 26 May, 2015, 12:41:00 PM
Here's one that's still going over my head. Not because of a double-meaning, but because it's only ever been printed and not said out loud. Did the Sovs have Strato-'vees' or Strato-'fives'?

Necroposting somewhat...

I always assumed that the name was a reference to the guitars the Fender Stratocaster and the Gibson Flying V so it's always been 'Strato Vee' for me..

Always been "Vee" for me, but hard one to prove without TB Grover on-hand. What slightly punctures this theory is that SATURN V was definitely "5".

(http://s.hswstatic.com/gif/spaceship-apollo-4.jpg)
: Re: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Woolly 26 May, 2015, 05:53:54 PM
Here's one that's still going over my head. Not because of a double-meaning, but because it's only ever been printed and not said out loud. Did the Sovs have Strato-'vees' or Strato-'fives'?

Necroposting somewhat...

I always assumed that the name was a reference to the guitars the Fender Stratocaster and the Gibson Flying V so it's always been 'Strato Vee' for me..

I've always thought they were 'Stratospheric Vehicles', so Strato Vee for me too.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 26 May, 2015, 09:08:21 PM
I thought it was because they were shaped like the letter 'V', no?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Dash Decent 27 May, 2015, 01:01:07 PM
Yes, I thought 'V' because of the shape.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JamesC 27 May, 2015, 01:17:15 PM
Was just re-reading Portrait of a Mutant, which features the Kreelers' symbol prominently -- vertical box with an X through.  However, I realised that I don't actually know what the vertical box is supposed to represent.  Presumably mutation but how?

(http://wingsoverscotland.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/kreelman.jpg)

No thermometers?
No hotdogs?
No Nintendo Wiis?

Please could someone put me out of my misery?

A mutant chromosome?

(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e129/jimmyalpha2008/18tnai9ptbayajpg.jpg)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: johnnystress 27 May, 2015, 01:43:55 PM
 An upright "no junk mail" sticker ?  :)

Maybe a "no ballot box" symbol?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 27 May, 2015, 03:46:02 PM
There was a gay jibe by some actress against some actor during Strontium Dog:  Rage. I had no idea at the time.  But then again, I never even copped that when some London thugs accused Clinton of being Swifty's 'lover boy' that they were accusing him of being gay; mainly because I had never heard of 'gay' at the time.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 02 June, 2015, 11:05:30 AM
Also, speaking of gay jibes, I just noticed that Garth Ennis's first ever line of Dredd dialogue was 'Control, you got a stiff in Julian Clary Alley.'

Garth Ennis then completely abandoned the concept of joking about anal sex, of course, and certainly did not bang on and on ad nauseum about it in Preacher.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Dandontdare 14 June, 2015, 06:15:43 PM
So I popped into Waterstones yesterday and it was bedlam - half the shop cordoned off with big screens so you couldn't see what was happening, lots of large security men and a massive queue of giddy (mainly teenage) girls stretching out of the shop and half way round the shopping centre. I asked one of the staff who was the cause of such excitement and discovered it was none other than ... Joey Graceffa!!!!

Nope, me neither.

Apparently he's a YouTube vlogger with something like 600 million viewers - the most famous dude you've never heard of.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Hawkmumbler 14 June, 2015, 07:13:17 PM
I know (of) him. He's a nice enough fellow, but not in my sphere of interest.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: A.Cow 19 June, 2015, 02:47:19 AM
Was just re-reading the Chopper Midnight Surfer story and realised that the billycord that keeps surfers attached to their board must originate from "umbilical cord".  D'Oh!  How can I have missed that all these years?

(http://s30.postimg.org/4ea5v9vk1/billycord.jpg)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 20 June, 2015, 12:14:19 PM
I was only re-reading that the other day.  You're probably right - do actual surfboards have billycords too? It sounds like an Ozification of 'umbilical' anyway
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Dash Decent 20 June, 2015, 02:58:40 PM
Yeah, you can get leg ropes for surfboards.  It stops the board from being washed away from you if you fall off, saving you a potentially long swim trying to retrieve it.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: SuperSurfer 20 June, 2015, 03:32:52 PM
A real dumbo one. Was reading Hachette Mandroid today and I don't think I ever realised an iso-cube is an isolation cube.

They should do a facepalm emoji.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Spaceghost 02 July, 2015, 08:57:22 AM
Not sure if this has been posted earlier, but I've just been re-reading the very excellent Trifecta and I've only just noticed that the three villains involved in the Godcity conspiracy are called Bachmann, Turner and Overdrive.

Let's Rock!
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Dan Banks 02 July, 2015, 01:28:07 PM
Not sure if this has been posted earlier, but I've just been re-reading the very excellent Trifecta and I've only just noticed that the three villains involved in the Godcity conspiracy are called Bachmann, Turner and Overdrive.

Let's Rock!

You've just blown my mind!
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Jacqusie 02 July, 2015, 08:10:13 PM
- do actual surfboards have billycords too? It sounds like an Ozification of 'umbilical' anyway


I've never heard them being called Billycords or 'Billys'... It's just yer 'Leash' that goes round the ankle.

Another good example of Mega-city slang I reckon!  :thumbsup:
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 05 July, 2015, 12:58:30 PM
These three jokes from prog 500, arranged in order of unsuitability for my 11-year-old self:

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r153/brnwlsh/2000ad%200500%2030_1.jpg)

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r153/brnwlsh/2000ad%200500%2032.jpg)

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r153/brnwlsh/2000ad%200500%2033.jpg)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: The Enigmatic Dr X 05 July, 2015, 06:44:43 PM
I don't get the last two of those. How did Chopper get his nickname?

Also, I realised on Friday why Trainspotting is called Trainspotting. (I assume it is to do with tracks?)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Tiplodocus 05 July, 2015, 07:47:22 PM
I thought it was to do with the pointlessness of the situation they find themselves. The stations are all closed and there's no trains. Or something.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Dark Jimbo 05 July, 2015, 07:55:20 PM
(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r153/brnwlsh/2000ad%200500%2033.jpg)

 :lol:
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 05 July, 2015, 11:18:44 PM
I don't get the last two of those. How did Chopper get his nickname?

Also, I realised on Friday why Trainspotting is called Trainspotting. (I assume it is to do with tracks?)

Venus is being flirtatious; hoping that Chopper is named after his... well, you know.  Nemesis may be slightly hard of hearing. (I remember Jasper Carrott making the same joke, but our boy the Warlock got there first.)

As for Trainspotting, I think Tips is on the ball there.  The novel sheds more light on it; when Begbie and Renton meet a alcoholic down-and-out (who turns out to be Begbie's father) in the disused  Leith station where they've stopped in for a piss; and he drunkenly jokes something like 'Whit are youse up tae, lads?  Trainspotting, eh?' 

Irvine Welsh has written more than one truly dreadful book, but he is capable of flashes of utter genius - I'm thinking here of the cot death scene, whose chapter title in the book is 'It Goes Without Saying'.  While this is the junkies' unspoken agreement that the heroin cook takes his hit before the bereaved mother gets a turn, it also alludes to how the baby dies before anyone finds out who the father was.  Or maybe I overthink these things.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JOE SOAP 05 July, 2015, 11:26:02 PM
Also, I realised on Friday why Trainspotting is called Trainspotting. (I assume it is to do with tracks?)


http://movies.stackexchange.com/questions/23571/what-is-the-meaning-of-the-title-trainspotting
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: GordonR 05 July, 2015, 11:56:50 PM
Also note the wallpaper in Renton's childhood room at his parents' house, where he stays when he's forced to move back in with them.

It's got trains all over it.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Frank 19 July, 2015, 10:18:15 AM

Interesting detail regarding what happens to judges who don't make the grade and a rationalisation of why street judges injured in the line of duty aren't still patrolling the streets with robot legs and plasma cannons where their hands used to be * (Rennie/Richardson, House Of Pain, prog 1485): 


(http://i.imgur.com/oQyMc9N.png?1)(http://i.imgur.com/q7KhPLA.png?2)



* it doesn't work completely - given the level of tech seen in mechs who appear outwardly human, such as Inga and Ueno Hama, which could surely be applied to prosthetics - but I'm going to fancon it and say the technology is too unreliable for use in situations where human lives depend upon it functioning 100%
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: ZenArcade 19 July, 2015, 12:05:59 PM
After DOC all solutions to depleted Judge numbers would have to be considered. I guess however there is an inbuilt lack of trust in investing in tech after Mechanismo and those booby-trapped Lawgivers. Z
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 19 July, 2015, 12:17:01 PM

Interesting detail regarding what happens to judges who don't make the grade and a rationalisation of why street judges injured in the line of duty aren't still patrolling the streets with robot legs and plasma cannons where their hands used to be * (Rennie/Richardson, House Of Pain, prog 1485): 


(http://i.imgur.com/oQyMc9N.png?1)(http://i.imgur.com/q7KhPLA.png?2)


See, this is why i love this forum. Your post has absolutely nothing to do with what the previous poster said, even though you're showing a story written by the same man.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Frank 19 July, 2015, 10:23:38 PM

This board is powered by Random, Jayzus.

Si Spurrier and Rob Williams obviously spent a great deal of 2006/7 feeling intellectually intimidated by BBC arts programming, since two different versions of The Culture Show and Mark Lawson made into the prog within a year of each other.

I don't know if there was some kind of miscommunication between Spurrier and Marshall (on Neoweirdies, prog 1496), or if making Merk Awesome's chassis and vocabulary more reminiscent of Stephen Fry (maybe Andrew Graham Dixon) was intended to make the scene a more general satire of the cognoscenti:


(http://i.imgur.com/E6gBSAz.png?1)
(http://i.imgur.com/8vRTshz.png?1)


Despite Spurrier bringing back Citizen Snork as a talent show judge, Williams's story (The Biographer, prog 1537) is by far the most interesting, getting round the difficulty of writing his first Dredd story in a very arch way - by writing a story about a writer finding it difficult to write a story about Judge Dredd. You thought all that metafictional stuff in Ichabod Azrael came out of nowhere:


(http://i.imgur.com/GGMzlo8.png?1)
(http://i.imgur.com/ggi0Kgy.png?1)


... and cleverly subverting the expected formal conventions of a Dredd strip:


(http://i.imgur.com/WSr64cO.png?1)


Wasted effort on you lot at the time - https://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php/topic,19856.msg335017.html#msg335017


: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Frank 26 July, 2015, 10:43:19 AM

RIP Shuggie McTighe (20??-2039), long standing head of Tek Division and wan a' Jock Tamson's bairns (apparently). Seen here with more hair than usual and without the headset he habitually wore, but then Jock's Sean Connery analogue isn't a perfect likeness either. Scotland gains independence by 2029 (at the latest) in the Dredd timeline (Rennie/Jock, Tartan Terrors, 1540, 06 Jun 2007):


(http://i.imgur.com/GR8yWjT.png?1)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: SuperSurfer 09 August, 2015, 06:30:01 PM
Zippo in ABC Warriors.

A few days ago I came across a Sunday Times magazine I kept from 1989 which has a disturbing article on the My Lai massacre of almost 500 civilians by GIs during the Vietnam war. It really is a harrowing read. What is also upsetting is reading about determined attempts to cover-up the barbaric crimes committed (only bad guys commit war crimes).

After the massacres, groups of GIs entered hamlets and set them alight using Zippo lighters and they were called 'Zippo squads'.

Now I wonder if Pat Mills had that in mind when creating Zippo in ABC Warriors. I did know that US troops would carry Zippo lighters and engrave them with messages but didn't know (or had forgotten) there were 'Zippo squads'. 

And having read the disturbing article, I wonder just what has been going on in the mostly underreported conflicts the West has been involved in, in the last decade or so. Other than what has come to light from sources such as Wikileaks, it seems to me that very little is ever reported on what actually happens on the ground.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: ZenArcade 09 August, 2015, 06:32:46 PM
I seem to recall the term zippo raid as similarly applicable. Z
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Frank 30 August, 2015, 08:12:37 PM
After the massacres, groups of GIs entered hamlets and set them alight using Zippo lighters and they were called 'Zippo squads'. Now I wonder if Pat Mills had that in mind when creating Zippo in ABC Warriors.

I'd say that's almost certainly the case - the early sequences of the first book of Nemesis featuring Zippo had a very 'Nam aesthetic to them. Congratulations, SuperSoaker.

Robbie Morrison and Richard Elson's Blindside (progs 1996-1999, August 2008) sees Dredd and a rookie with a brutal haircut (who's squeamish about killing) trapped in Phoenix Tower and unable to call for help, with a gang of bad guys trying to kill them. 

The two judges are separated, a firefight in the dimly lit, empty corridors of the high-rise building ensues as they make their way to the top floor, and Dredd and the leader of the gang try to psyche each other out by yelling cliches into microphones while the rookie takes out her female opposite number.

Dredd doesn't have a lot of faith in the female rookie's abilities, and she makes several errors early in the story - including losing her gun - but she finally wins his respect by sneaking up behind and killing a bad guy who's standing over a weakened Dredd* with a gun instead of shooting him with the gun.

Alex Garland began writing the script for the 2012 Dredd film in 2006, but abandoned his early attempts before turning in his shooting script in 2008:


(http://i.imgur.com/H1YuIVg.jpg?1)
(http://i.imgur.com/e7g8KzJ.jpg?1)


 
* More in the spirit of this thread, after Dredd is blinded, Elson draws the visor of his helmet without the wee white lightning flashes, which is neat
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: malkymac 01 September, 2015, 08:06:49 AM
Also note the wallpaper in Renton's childhood room at his parents' house, where he stays when he's forced to move back in with them.

It's got trains all over it.

Well remembered. I thought it was Hibs posters and the like that were the bedroom walls.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 01 September, 2015, 08:46:14 AM
Oz Chief Judge Bob was a future Bob Hawke.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: AlexiP 01 September, 2015, 10:23:44 AM
I completely missed the J. Jone's butchers van from Dad's Army in Absalom a while back. I only noticed it flicking back through. I did think at the time 'that chap looks an awful lot like Corporal Jones!' I was half expecting 'they don't like it up 'em!' when the knives came out.

Must be a fan.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Dandontdare 04 September, 2015, 08:39:03 AM
After wondering why Star Wars discussions always seem to veer towards euroscepticism, I've just twigged what "EU" stands for.
: Re: Re: Things that went over your head...
: glassstanley 05 September, 2015, 10:09:26 AM
Just re-read the first Tharg strip. For the first time I realised that the queues of people waiting to see him arrive at work (as he thinks) are really just waiting for the bus.
: Re: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Lobo Baggins 05 September, 2015, 04:38:02 PM
Just re-read the first Tharg strip. For the first time I realised that the queues of people waiting to see him arrive at work (as he thinks) are really just waiting for the bus.

Talking of Tharg strips, I'm not entirely sure what 'The Shedding' (prog 283 - 285) is about...

It seems to be about when the notoriously strict senior editor Bob Bartholomew got replaced with the more easy going Barry Tomlinson, but that seems like a bit of an odd thing to put in the prog considering only the IPC staff would get the references!

I've also heard rumours it was written by Alan Moore...
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: A.Cow 12 September, 2015, 12:43:30 AM
Just came across this looking at The Lowry (http://www.thelowry.com/event/extraordinary-everyday-objects-and-actions-in-contemporary-art) website:

(http://www.richardsaltoun.com/media/na993r/460x360/6897c211d296872b853f9a0bbe6/8586_1000.jpg)
Soul City (Pyramid of Oranges), Roelof Lowe (1967)

Never realised it was a real art exhibit!

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_bDUK5U-yua8/TRBJnRfVOTI/AAAAAAAAALY/KedoYK4HR3A/S898-R/Mind%2Bthe%2BOranges%252C%2BMarlon%2521.jpg)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: glassstanley 14 September, 2015, 08:03:34 AM
Prog 211's Future Shock is titled 'Ernesto Hornetz must die'. A pun that completely passed me by for the last 30+ years.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 14 September, 2015, 10:43:23 AM
Yet another one I missed, from Moore and Gibson's classic from Tharg's Head Revisited.

Not sure about the 'Grawk' bit, but the first bit of dialogue is a cock joke, isn't it? (As in 'pointing Percy at the porcelain.)  Not sure who it's meant to be or why they're saying it, but it seems to be either about wanking or pissing on the Halo Jones graphic novel. Charming.

EDIT - Hang on, is that a camera in his hands?  Now I'm confused.

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r153/brnwlsh/11698484_715352201943978_102862959000381588_n.jpg)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Dandontdare 14 September, 2015, 12:02:46 PM
Prog 211's Future Shock is titled 'Ernesto Hornetz must die'. A pun that completely passed me by for the last 30+ years.

ummm ...  I still don't get it?
: Re: Re: Things that went over your head...
: glassstanley 14 September, 2015, 12:57:54 PM
A nest of hornets.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Dandontdare 14 September, 2015, 01:22:09 PM
D'oh!  ::)

I even tried saying it out loud, but didn't twig that.  :-[
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Dark Jimbo 15 September, 2015, 05:04:01 PM
D'oh!  ::)

I even tried saying it out loud, but didn't twig that.  :-[

Me too, DDD!  :-[
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Steve Green 14 October, 2015, 08:55:01 PM
Since we were pilfering Strontium Dog for the fan film, I noticed that I'd written Wulf using 'I' in a sentence - which sounded off when I thought about it.

Looking through the agency files, he pretty much always refers to himself in the third person (or uses we) except in the Ragnarok storyline, where his speech patterns are pretty normal, because he's actually speaking Old Norse and that's being translated by Alpha's Future Rosetta Stone, rather than his second language.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 15 October, 2015, 10:30:20 AM
It's been said before, but I wonder why Wulf has a German accent when he's from Scandinavia?  Sure, why not, I suppose
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Steve Green 15 October, 2015, 10:58:14 AM
The Old Norse to English crash course isn't quite as good ;)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Dash Decent 15 October, 2015, 12:28:35 PM
When Big Finish did the audios they had a thought that Wulf should pronounce Alpha's name "Yonny" but didn't go with it as it just doesn't sound right.  Wise move.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Steve Green 15 October, 2015, 01:25:13 PM
Ja.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Hawkmumbler 15 October, 2015, 08:32:41 PM
When Big Finish did the audios they had a thought that Wulf should pronounce Alpha's name "Yonny" but didn't go with it as it just doesn't sound right.  Wise move.
Such a shame!
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 15 October, 2015, 09:35:22 PM
When Big Finish did the audios they had a thought that Wulf should pronounce Alpha's name "Yonny" but didn't go with it as it just doesn't sound right.  Wise move.
Such a shame!

I don't know... sounds like the kind of thing that could get a tad irritating after a while.  Suppose we'll never know.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Tjm86 16 October, 2015, 07:16:37 AM
D'oh!  ::)

I even tried saying it out loud, but didn't twig that.  :-[

Me too, DDD!  :-[

It's like Twoflower's comments about his work in either Colour of Magic or the Light Fantastic.  Inn Sewer Ants was easy but for a long time I didn't get  'Repeating Sound of Underground Spirits'.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: ming 16 October, 2015, 08:25:01 AM
D'oh!  ::)

I even tried saying it out loud, but didn't twig that.  :-[

Me too, DDD!  :-[

It's like Twoflower's comments about his work in either Colour of Magic or the Light Fantastic.  Inn Sewer Ants was easy but for a long time I didn't get  'Repeating Sound of Underground Spirits'.

Especially as it's "Reflected-sound-of-underground-spirits"...  ;)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 16 October, 2015, 12:58:39 PM
I've just discovered that Tlachtga is a hill a few miles away from my folks' house,  where I grew up. I 'd always connected the name with some similarly titled Aztec or Inca sport I'd read about as a kid.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Tjm86 16 October, 2015, 03:06:51 PM
D'oh!  ::)

I even tried saying it out loud, but didn't twig that.  :-[

Me too, DDD!  :-[

Sorry, working from memory in early hours of morning with hangover.  Always a good combination, yes?  ::)

It's like Twoflower's comments about his work in either Colour of Magic or the Light Fantastic.  Inn Sewer Ants was easy but for a long time I didn't get  'Repeating Sound of Underground Spirits'.

Especially as it's "Reflected-sound-of-underground-spirits"...  ;)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Dash Decent 17 October, 2015, 03:05:48 PM

Especially as it's "Reflected-sound-of-underground-spirits"...  ;)

And the answer is?  My first thought was 'economics' (echo-gnomics) but gnomes aren't spirits so I'm at least half wrong.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: TordelBack 17 October, 2015, 03:13:56 PM
Your answer is correct... Gnomes in their original fairytale conception were indeed spirits.  Blame C. S. Lewis and that saucy Wil Huygen for your modern confusion!
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Tjm86 17 October, 2015, 04:11:22 PM
Your answer is correct... Gnomes in their original fairytale conception were indeed spirits.  Blame C. S. Lewis and that saucy Wil Huygen for your modern confusion!

That was the bit that threw me for a while as well.  BTW thanks for correcting my misquote.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: sheridan 17 October, 2015, 11:22:47 PM

Especially as it's "Reflected-sound-of-underground-spirits"...  ;)

And the answer is?  My first thought was 'economics' (echo-gnomics) but gnomes aren't spirits so I'm at least half wrong.

What always confused me about that pun was that I don't pronounce economics in that way (Eek-o-nomics).
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: pert 25 October, 2015, 03:22:38 PM
Dunno if this has been mentioned before but DJ1's look was obviously based on the Dr Feelgood logo
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Tiplodocus 06 November, 2015, 01:28:14 PM
Just been watching HOUSE as it's great to

a) a Whodunnit but the disease is the killer and
b) see Hugh Laurie killing every line he gets

when I realised that his best friend Doctor (that he keeps interrupting and dragging out for a chat) is named Watson.

And anouther name for House is Home.

Home and Watson.

Holmes and Watson.

And I guess the junior doctors are his Baker STreet Irrascibles or whatever they were called - running off and doing errands for him.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Arkwright99 06 November, 2015, 01:52:17 PM
when I realised that his best friend Doctor (that he keeps interrupting and dragging out for a chat) is named Watson.
His friend's name is Wilson, but House's address is 221 Baker Street (and he's an addict) so you're essentially correct.  :)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: TordelBack 06 November, 2015, 02:26:32 PM
Yup, House is fairly explicitly a version of Holmes. Great series, amazing central performance. Accidentally flicking between House and Blackadder III or IV can lead to mental collapse.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Tjm86 08 November, 2015, 02:14:31 PM
This week's Droid life ....

Sorry, this one got me.  I just know I'm going to be going with the forehead slap when it finally clicks but at the moment 'I got nuthin!'
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Dandontdare 08 November, 2015, 09:01:45 PM
instead of a 3riller, it's a 3-roller.

Okay, it's not one of the best.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Echidna 08 November, 2015, 11:10:15 PM
That's... pretty tenous. I don't feel so bad about not getting it now!

Here's one: I haven't read Dinosty yet, but whenever I see the name I read it as Dino-sty, like pig sty. I only recently realised it's Dino-stee, like Dynasty...
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Tiplodocus 09 November, 2015, 12:25:26 PM
Yup, House is fairly explicitly a version of Holmes. Great series, amazing central performance. Accidentally flicking between House and Blackadder III or IV can lead to mental collapse.

Yeah, it was the explicit nature of it that hadn't twigged with me before - just about any 'tec with a tic show is riffing of Holmes but this glaringly obvious "It's exactly the bloody same except with diseases" had somehow passed me by.

Apocryphal or not but I have it in my head that
a) Laurie never told the producers he wasn't american and
b) when he had a novel published, he submitted it under a psuedonym so he couldn't be accused of riding the coat tails of his celebrity. 
If true, "What a guy!"
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Jim_Campbell 09 November, 2015, 12:36:16 PM
Yeah, it was the explicit nature of it that hadn't twigged with me before - just about any 'tec with a tic show is riffing of Holmes but this glaringly obvious "It's exactly the bloody same except with diseases" had somehow passed me by.

I was particularly amused by Laurie's surprise that he was the lead character — he said that the show was untitled when he was sent a script to read and thought it was clearly about the kindly Dr Wilson and that House was his asshole side-kick.

Cheers!

Jim
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Tjm86 09 November, 2015, 05:17:23 PM
instead of a 3riller, it's a 3-roller.

Okay, it's not one of the best.

Said it would be a head slapper!  I'm with Echidna on that one ....
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: ming 18 November, 2015, 01:13:56 PM
This may have been covered in another thread dealing with 2000AD-related linguistics, but hey.

Listening (with great enjoyment) to a bunch of Thrill-Casts lately, I heard Ma.. er, Tharg refer to SQUAXX and he pronounced it SK-WAX.  To me this has always, always been SK-WOX and it has shaken me to my core to hear TMO refer to it otherwise.  Is there some kind of support group to help me through this?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: I, Cosh 18 November, 2015, 01:32:41 PM
Listening (with great enjoyment) to a bunch of Thrill-Casts lately, I heard Ma.. er, Tharg refer to SQUAXX and he pronounced it SK-WAX.  To me this has always, always been SK-WOX and it has shaken me to my core to hear TMO refer to it otherwise.  Is there some kind of support group to help me through this?
You are right and Tharg is wrong. Simple as that.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: TordelBack 18 November, 2015, 04:08:38 PM
I know it's buried in this thread somewhere already,  but this week's Bad Company reminded me of one I missed to years: The Diary of Danny Franks...
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Cyber-Matt 18 November, 2015, 06:04:24 PM
Listening (with great enjoyment) to a bunch of Thrill-Casts lately, I heard Ma.. er, Tharg refer to SQUAXX and he pronounced it SK-WAX.  To me this has always, always been SK-WOX and it has shaken me to my core to hear TMO refer to it otherwise.  Is there some kind of support group to help me through this?
You are right and Tharg is wrong. Simple as that.

So presumably you pronounce Tharg's home planet as KWOX-ANN?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: I, Cosh 18 November, 2015, 06:10:13 PM
Listening (with great enjoyment) to a bunch of Thrill-Casts lately, I heard Ma.. er, Tharg refer to SQUAXX and he pronounced it SK-WAX.  To me this has always, always been SK-WOX and it has shaken me to my core to hear TMO refer to it otherwise.  Is there some kind of support group to help me through this?
You are right and Tharg is wrong. Simple as that.
So presumably you pronounce Tharg's home planet as KWOX-ANN?
Ha! I genuinely do. Wouldn't have occurred to me there could be another way.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: ming 18 November, 2015, 06:52:40 PM
Listening (with great enjoyment) to a bunch of Thrill-Casts lately, I heard Ma.. er, Tharg refer to SQUAXX and he pronounced it SK-WAX.  To me this has always, always been SK-WOX and it has shaken me to my core to hear TMO refer to it otherwise.  Is there some kind of support group to help me through this?
You are right and Tharg is wrong. Simple as that.
So presumably you pronounce Tharg's home planet as KWOX-ANN?
Ha! I genuinely do. Wouldn't have occurred to me there could be another way.

Me too. Since 1970-whatever-it-was.  I can't change now.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 18 November, 2015, 07:46:45 PM
Skwox and kwokksan for me too. Also never even considered that it could be anything else.  Anyway, that was Cyber-Mat pronouncing it wrong, not Tharg.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: TordelBack 18 November, 2015, 07:54:10 PM
Skwox but Kwaksan here, just to be awkward. Clearly the puny  human sensorium is ill-equipped for the complexities of Betelgeusian phonemes.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: M.I.K. 18 November, 2015, 08:04:52 PM
I've always thought it was a chicken noise rather than a duck noise.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: hippynumber1 18 November, 2015, 08:28:58 PM
I'm with Tordelback on this one, I'm afraid.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Spikes 18 November, 2015, 10:26:23 PM
..a duck noise.


(http://i.imgur.com/mcwQawF.jpg)

SK-WAX, SK-WAX*






But yeah, another one for SK-WOX here
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: ZenArcade 18 November, 2015, 10:32:42 PM
I'm not ducking this issue: it's a quack! Z
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 18 November, 2015, 11:19:49 PM
Quaaaaxxan... You don't have to put on the red light...

(This is, I'll admit, dirty earworm tactics to make you all pronounce it like I do.)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Mike Carroll 18 November, 2015, 11:47:50 PM
Quaaaaxxan... You don't have to put on the red light...

(This is, I'll admit, dirty earworm tactics to make you all pronounce it like I do.)

That's how I pronounce it too...
P.S.: Beat you to that joke by ten years (http://www.michaelowencarroll.com/sp020.htm)!
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 19 November, 2015, 08:03:11 AM
Quaaaaxxan... You don't have to put on the red light...

(This is, I'll admit, dirty earworm tactics to make you all pronounce it like I do.)

That's how I pronounce it too...
P.S.: Beat you to that joke by ten years (http://www.michaelowencarroll.com/sp020.htm)!


You win this one, Carroll  ;)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Mardroid 19 November, 2015, 11:42:04 AM
To my mind 'ua' is pronounced "wa"* , or possibly "wah" (although that pronunciation never occurred to me on looking at the words but I can see how an 'a" could be pronounced "ah").

It never occurred to me it would be pronounced "woh" or "wo". There is no letter 'o' in the word after all.

So its been the duck noise all the time for me. Which granted isn't that long, me being a relative newbie.

*Or it could be "ooa" ,  'u' sounding like "oo" like the two 'u's in 'vacuum' but that sounds almost the same as "wa".
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: ming 19 November, 2015, 12:04:14 PM
In a quandary, I danced a quadroon then bivouacked in quagmire near an aquafarm, with some Squaxx on Quaxxann.


I do love this thread.  Thanks, all.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Mardroid 19 November, 2015, 01:31:18 PM
Okay, good point with the first two. I never thought of those. Aquafarm .... I would pronounce "achwahfahrm"*
*Although I think the " a" as "ah" might be a London accent thing. Never "aquohfarm".

Thinking about it, from a pronunciation point of view,  English is kind of complicated, isn't it?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Mardroid 19 November, 2015, 01:38:03 PM
"Squad." Skwod.

Now I'm thinking of them too. Heh.

With the "keh" sound of a 'c', 'k' or an 'x'*, I would always pronounce a proceeding 'a' as in 'and' though. But I get where you sqoxans are coming from now. ;-)

* At least it's part of the x sound . xs...
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: Fungus 19 November, 2015, 04:14:43 PM
This one might just be coincidence...
Aquila. A killer (harden the 'qu').
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Magnetica 19 November, 2015, 06:55:32 PM
I say them like Tordelback as well. It never occurred to me there could be another way.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: radiator 08 January, 2016, 08:37:13 PM
Only just realised that 'Blockbuster' refers to people queueing for tickets 'around the block'.

Always figured it was just some nonsense phrase.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 28 January, 2016, 07:56:19 AM
Well, not so much something that went over my head as something I never noticed before.  The last two frames of Necropolis - Burnt-up Dredd's face is normal again.  Then it returns to burnt and scarred for the next few progs till he gets the rejuve job.  How did I not spot this?
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: A.Cow 06 February, 2016, 02:08:26 PM
Only just realised that 'Blockbuster' refers to people queueing for tickets 'around the block'.
Always figured it was just some nonsense phrase.

Um ... sorry, not quite right.  A "blockbuster" was a WW2 bomb (http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/blockbuster) and the term was then used in entertainment (from 1957 onwards (http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=blockbuster)) to describe a product with major impact.  A similar example is the popular American phrase "it's the bomb" (referring to the atom bomb).
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Frank 09 February, 2016, 08:37:16 PM
The last two frames of Necropolis - Burnt-up Dredd's face is normal again.  Then it returns to burnt and scarred for the next few progs till he gets the rejuve job.

Nice spot, Jayzus, but Dredd goes into something that looks like a big toastie machine, with DERMAHEAL written on the side. It's something that heals skin, not a magic young-again machine, and nothing in the Dredd strip suggests he's ever had his youth restored. 

Pointless pedantry aside, here's some pointless trivia. The Judge Dredd Annual 1984 features a story that's two pages of strip and four pages of a text personality test, to which judges subject perps. The arresting officer has a familiar name and moustache:


(http://i.imgur.com/a5yPEJK.png?1)


Don't mess with Sladek, or he'll haul your ass down to the SECTION house (?). Sladek & Kneepad turn up in prog 461's The Falucci Tape (http://www.2000ad.org/covers/2000ad/hires/463.jpg), in which Sladek ices Kneepad to cover up his extra-judicial liaison. All of this went over my head, despite a Tharg Note in 461 referring me to the 1984 annual. D'OH!

The test itself is worth reading, as it introduces the supporting cast of The Falucci Tape and gives Kneepad a rounded back story TB Grover obviously felt was too well developed to waste. It's an interesting example of the crazy levels of world building Wagner & Grant were doing at that time, as well as an odd experiment in form.


: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 09 February, 2016, 10:27:09 PM

Nice spot, Jayzus, but Dredd goes into something that looks like a big toastie machine, with DERMAHEAL written on the side. It's something that heals skin, not a magic young-again machine, and nothing in the Dredd strip suggests he's ever had his youth restored. 


Ahem.

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r153/brnwlsh/2000AD%200711%2004.jpg) (http://s143.photobucket.com/user/brnwlsh/media/2000AD%200711%2004.jpg.html)


(Nice spot yourself on the Sladek thing though; I always wondered what story the Falucci Tape was referencing.)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Frank 09 February, 2016, 10:48:46 PM


Sensei


(http://i.imgur.com/xmUaUxf.png?1)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 09 February, 2016, 10:50:33 PM
 :lol:
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: The Legendary Shark 10 February, 2016, 12:05:42 AM
There's a bit in The Empire Strikes Back where Yoda tries to look into the future to see what will become of Leia, Han and co. on Bespin. I always thought he said it was difficult to see because the future is "always emotion," which kind of made sense.
.
Only last week, reading a Star Wars novel, did I finally realise he actually said, "always in motion," which makes more sense. D'oh!
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: SuperSurfer 10 February, 2016, 01:40:01 AM
This cover would you believe it. Well, I never really paid it much attention, having not read the entire prog and I just this second noticed the logo.

No doubt some self-proclaimed expert has by now commented that you never mess with your logo and never cover it up and that their three-year-old daughter knows that and would do it better in Photoshop.

(http://www.2000adonline.com/application/media/progs/original/1965.jpg)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 11 February, 2016, 10:31:46 AM
On a recent re-watch of Dredd, it occurred to me that Anderson's origin story was probably the standard model for all judges in that version of MC1.  Basically, any nonscrot watching would assume that Dredd was also inducted as an orphan at age 9; which was probably the creators' intention.

It was also even more low-tech than I remembered - there really wasn't much there that wouldn't be possible to do today (bionic eyes, slo-mo and psi-powers being the exceptions).  The vehicles even look a bit dated by today's standards.  But don't get me wrong - I loved it for that.  Dredd has always been about Dredd; about being a hard bastard breaking skulls; the sci-fi comes second.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: The Legendary Shark 11 February, 2016, 11:39:21 AM
Hmm, interesting. Maybe that "something else" Anderson mentioned was the fact that Dredd's a clone?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Dark Jimbo 11 February, 2016, 12:30:26 PM
No doubt some self-proclaimed expert has by now commented that you never mess with your logo and never cover it up and that their three-year-old daughter knows that and would do it better in Photoshop.

There's certainly a fair old number of armchair designers* on this board!

*(Not people who design armchairs, you understand).
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: M.I.K. 11 February, 2016, 03:48:53 PM
It was also even more low-tech than I remembered - there really wasn't much there that wouldn't be possible to do today

When I first saw it at the pictures, it occurred to me that there was a lot of stuff in it akin to things from the early stories, that would have seemed quite futuristic if the film had come out in the 1980s, (talking bikes, cleaning robots, etc;).
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Jacqusie 12 February, 2016, 12:17:35 AM

No doubt some self-proclaimed expert has by now commented that you never mess with your logo and never cover it up and that their three-year-old daughter knows that and would do it better in Photoshop.


(http://i1167.photobucket.com/albums/q629/Simon_Jacques/619robinson_zpsmbzu1na2.jpg) (http://s1167.photobucket.com/user/Simon_Jacques/media/619robinson_zpsmbzu1na2.jpg.html)

These were the days SuperSurfer!

 ;)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 12 February, 2016, 08:04:24 AM
Hmm, interesting. Maybe that "something else" Anderson mentioned was the fact that Dredd's a clone?

All will be revealed in the sequel!  Except, of course, it won't.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Theblazeuk 12 February, 2016, 04:03:52 PM
Maybe that bit did go over my head. I always thought she was about so say 'anger'. The frustration and rage of Dredd that bubbles beneath the service of control and discipline.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Colin Zeal 12 February, 2016, 04:23:47 PM
As a kid, the joke about a wrestler called The Undertaker having a manger called Paul Bearer went over my head for a long time.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 12 February, 2016, 07:54:55 PM
Maybe that bit did go over my head. I always thought she was about so say 'anger'. The frustration and rage of Dredd that bubbles beneath the service of control and discipline.

No, she actually does say 'anger' before anything else.  Whatever it is she's about to say remains a mystery. 
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: NapalmKev 13 February, 2016, 08:01:06 AM
Maybe that bit did go over my head. I always thought she was about so say 'anger'. The frustration and rage of Dredd that bubbles beneath the service of control and discipline.

No, she actually does say 'anger' before anything else.  Whatever it is she's about to say remains a mystery.

A penchant for Taffeta Ballgowns! Looks like both Dredd films borrowed something from the A.B.C Warriors.

Cheers
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Echidna 13 February, 2016, 08:24:54 AM
Maybe that bit did go over my head. I always thought she was about so say 'anger'. The frustration and rage of Dredd that bubbles beneath the service of control and discipline.

No, she actually does say 'anger' before anything else.  Whatever it is she's about to say remains a mystery.

"I can feel anger and control. But there's something else, something behind the control, something almost... Oh, that's it. More anger."
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: TordelBack 13 February, 2016, 08:29:41 AM
Maybe that bit did go over my head. I always thought she was about so say 'anger'. The frustration and rage of Dredd that bubbles beneath the service of control and discipline.

No, she actually does say 'anger' before anything else.  Whatever it is she's about to say remains a mystery.

Doubt.

But if course it's the unspoken mystery that makes the whole thing work.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Jim_Campbell 13 February, 2016, 08:57:58 AM
"I can feel anger and control. But there's something else, something behind the control, something almost... Oh, that's it. More anger."

"I can feel anger and control. But there's something else, something behind the control… an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope? No, wait, I can feel FOUR things, anger, control, an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope, and…"

Cheers

Jim
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Steve Green 13 February, 2016, 09:23:23 AM
1 thing I never quite understood.

In the Terra-meks, what is the NOGEEEE that Fantas-tek is shouting all about? Was it just meaningless shouting?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: IAMTHESYSTEM 13 February, 2016, 10:10:39 AM
This is so embarrassing.

FLO RIDA....it's F-L-O-R-I-D-A isn't it? I get up but my brain doesn't.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: TordelBack 13 February, 2016, 12:21:41 PM
This is so embarrassing.

FLO RIDA....it's F-L-O-R-I-D-A isn't it? I get up but my brain doesn't.

Hey, you're well ahead of me.
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: I, Cosh 13 February, 2016, 03:55:43 PM
This is so embarrassing.

FLO RIDA....it's F-L-O-R-I-D-A isn't it? I get up but my brain doesn't.
:D and when discussing the relative merits of assorted rapping men, one might debate their lyrical flow. The ability to ride said flow for a sustained period would be considered an asset.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Jacqusie 13 February, 2016, 08:59:48 PM
I'm not sure that I ever twigged that Dredds apartment Rowdy Yates and Clint were so inextricably linked... but then I am getting old... but not that old for Rawhide it seems...  ::)


(http://i1167.photobucket.com/albums/q629/Simon_Jacques/clint-eastwood-cowboy-favorites_zpsqzylhsuz.jpg) (http://s1167.photobucket.com/user/Simon_Jacques/media/clint-eastwood-cowboy-favorites_zpsqzylhsuz.jpg.html)


: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 14 February, 2016, 10:11:21 AM
Strange; I was just reading about the Rowdy Yates thing on the imdb page for Dredd 3d before you posted that - never really made the connection that it was because Clint Eastwood had an influence on Dredd's character. 
Of course, Rico lives there now, doesn't he?  No more baths for Joe.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Theblazeuk 16 February, 2016, 09:52:40 AM
Maybe that bit did go over my head. I always thought she was about so say 'anger'. The frustration and rage of Dredd that bubbles beneath the service of control and discipline.

No, she actually does say 'anger' before anything else.  Whatever it is she's about to say remains a mystery.

Woops! That's what I meant. :)
Doubt.

But if course it's the unspoken mystery that makes the whole thing work.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 16 February, 2016, 02:09:43 PM
Just realised on a re-read of some old progs that there's pretty much always been a little bit of cheesecake-ish titillation in 2000ad - it was kind of part of the 'don't-show-your-parents' deal along with the violence.  What made me think about that was how they used a photo of Sybil Danning as Saint Exmin from Battle Beyond the Stars to illustrate one of Ro-Jaws' old film columns - sweet Jesus.  If Valkyries had actually been in any way sexy, it would have looked like this. 
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Jacqusie 16 February, 2016, 11:54:08 PM

Of course, Rico lives there now, doesn't he?  No more baths for Joe.


That was one of my favourite Dredd's of late 80's, great art by Jim Baikie too... wonder if Rico ever found his rubber duck?
: Things that went over your head...
: glassstanley 29 February, 2016, 09:45:04 PM
Not worth starting a separate thread for this, so apologies that it's slightly OT.

Re-reading the Titan 'Judge Dredd 12' for the umpteenth time today, and I finally noticed that the version of the cover of Prog 377 they use has the original dateline (14 July). After 376, the Prog stopped appearing for a few weeks due to industrial action, and when 377 finally appeared, the new dateline was Letra-setted in (with the wrong font).

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: I, Cosh 01 March, 2016, 11:23:33 PM
I've only just realised what Gestapo Bob Harris' initials are...
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: PsychoGoatee 02 March, 2016, 02:57:11 AM
Took years for me to realize what Resyk meant, and I used to think it was pronounced "Resick". Can't remember if I posted that before, if so this is a resyked post.  :D
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: johnnystress 10 March, 2016, 05:29:01 PM
I've only just realised what Gestapo Bob Harris' initials are...

There's a song about this guy

Can any Scandinavian members translate?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUMxJZFUAuc
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: The Enigmatic Dr X 13 March, 2016, 04:19:29 PM
Not comic related but...

You are supposed to crush Oxo cubes in their foil packet, flattening it, then tear the corner and pour.
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: Hawkmumbler 13 March, 2016, 06:14:07 PM
Not comic related but...

You are supposed to crush Oxo cubes in their foil packet, flattening it, then tear the corner and pour.
This is....I....

'Stares out of window and contemplates whole existance'
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: The Legendary Shark 13 March, 2016, 06:25:46 PM
I don't remember Linda Bellingham doing that. No wonder her husband's hair fell out...

Or was that Bisto?

So much to remember, so few brain cells left :(

: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Darren Stephens 13 March, 2016, 06:53:29 PM
I don't remember Linda Bellingham doing that. No wonder her husband's hair fell out...

Or was that Bisto?

So much to remember, so few brain cells left :(


 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: A.Cow 13 March, 2016, 10:17:37 PM
You are supposed to crush Oxo cubes in their foil packet, flattening it, then tear the corner and pour.

Unfortunately the same process doesn't work so well with crisps.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 13 March, 2016, 11:29:24 PM
Not comic related but...

You are supposed to crush Oxo cubes in their foil packet, flattening it, then tear the corner and pour.

Shut up.  Really?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Hawkmumbler 14 March, 2016, 07:21:39 AM
You are supposed to crush Oxo cubes in their foil packet, flattening it, then tear the corner and pour.

Unfortunately the same process doesn't work so well with crisps.
Prawn cracker crushed in the bag and added to a soup of your choice. Delicious.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: The Enigmatic Dr X 14 March, 2016, 07:44:05 AM
Not comic related but...

You are supposed to crush Oxo cubes in their foil packet, flattening it, then tear the corner and pour.

Shut up.  Really?

I know, I know. But that is what I was told, and shown. And it just seems so... obvious.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 14 March, 2016, 07:48:37 AM
I know, I know. But that is what I was told, and shown. And it just seems so... obvious.

Everything I've ever known was wrong.   :o
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Woolly 14 March, 2016, 07:56:39 AM
I don't remember Linda Bellingham doing that...

Clearly a case of Oxo retconning the origins story of the cube to suit a modern audience  ;)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 14 March, 2016, 08:01:44 AM
I don't remember Linda Bellingham doing that...

Clearly a case of Oxo retconning the origins story of the cube to suit a modern audience  ;)

Coming soon:  All-Star Goddamn Oxo

EDIT - Fuck.  My 5000th post, and I use it to make a shit joke about stock.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: M.I.K. 14 March, 2016, 04:46:40 PM
Re: Oxo cubes

See also...

...peeling a banana from the bottom...

...using the serrated edge on a box of aluminium foil to shear of the section of foil you require...

...and...

...breaking a segment of Toblerone off by pushing the top of the segment inwards instead of pulling it away from the rest of the bar.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: The Enigmatic Dr X 14 March, 2016, 06:24:37 PM
I don't remember Linda Bellingham doing that...

Clearly a case of Oxo retconning the origins story of the cube to suit a modern audience  ;)

Coming soon:  All-Star Goddamn Oxo

EDIT - Fuck.  My 5000th post, and I use it to make a shit joke about stock.

Congrats. And, keep in mind it was a shit comic-related joke
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 20 March, 2016, 02:16:30 PM
I've just found out that the Blankety Blank chequebook and pen was a silver trophy shaped like a chequebook, not an actual chequebook.  I've also just noticed the play on words - blank cheque.
Grud, I'm thick.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Modern Panther 20 March, 2016, 04:26:33 PM
When I was a kid, i thought the prize was a "cheque, book and pen".

I also thought that when something went "under the hammer" it got smashed up if no one bought it.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 20 March, 2016, 05:39:55 PM
When I was a kid, i thought the prize was a "cheque, book and pen".

I also thought that when something went "under the hammer" it got smashed up if no one bought it.

I've also just realised that it was the 'subscribers' notebook and pen' thread that subconsciously inspired me to look up the blankety blank chequebook and pen.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Dash Decent 21 March, 2016, 11:49:52 AM
I've just seen the Judge Dan Francisco entry on Wikipedia.  It doesn't mention that his show was a play on "The Streets of San Francisco" (which it has an article on, of course: here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Streets_of_San_Francisco)).

Could it be that it went over the head of the person who wrote the entry?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: sheridan 21 March, 2016, 01:28:07 PM
I've just seen the Judge Dan Francisco entry on Wikipedia.  It doesn't mention that his show was a play on "The Streets of San Francisco" (which it has an article on, of course: here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Streets_of_San_Francisco)).

Could it be that it went over the head of the person who wrote the entry?
This entry? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judge_Francisco)  Doesn't matter if it went over the head of the person writing the entry or not - if it can't be supported by external citations then it shouldn't be in the article, even it's a pretty obvious pun (as long as you've heard of the original show, that is).  The name Dan Francisco is a bit more of an obvious pun though...
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: TordelBack 21 March, 2016, 01:59:42 PM
I've just seen the Judge Dan Francisco entry on Wikipedia.  It doesn't mention that his show was a play on "The Streets of San Francisco" (which it has an article on, of course: here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Streets_of_San_Francisco)).

Could it be that it went over the head of the person who wrote the entry?
This entry? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judge_Francisco)  Doesn't matter if it went over the head of the person writing the entry or not - if it can't be supported by external citations then it shouldn't be in the article, even it's a pretty obvious pun (as long as you've heard of the original show, that is).  The name Dan Francisco is a bit more of an obvious pun though...

That level of citation-probity hardly gels with the supposition later in the same entry that Francisco's election is a response to Obama's. The Streets of Dan Francisco is far more obviously a deliberate pun, and one that actually explains the character's bizarre name. See also: Barbara Hershey.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Proudhuff 21 March, 2016, 02:28:42 PM
I don't remember Linda Bellingham doing that...

Clearly a case of Oxo retconning the origins story of the cube to suit a modern audience  ;)

Coming soon:  All-Star Goddamn Oxo

EDIT - Fuck.  My 5000th post, and I use it to make a shit joke about stock.

could have been worse could have mentioned taking her up the OXO tower...
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: amines2058 21 March, 2016, 04:58:20 PM
I've just seen the Judge Dan Francisco entry on Wikipedia.  It doesn't mention that his show was a play on "The Streets of San Francisco" (which it has an article on, of course: here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Streets_of_San_Francisco)).

Could it be that it went over the head of the person who wrote the entry?
This entry? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judge_Francisco)  Doesn't matter if it went over the head of the person writing the entry or not - if it can't be supported by external citations then it shouldn't be in the article, even it's a pretty obvious pun (as long as you've heard of the original show, that is).  The name Dan Francisco is a bit more of an obvious pun though...

That level of citation-probity hardly gels with the supposition later in the same entry that Francisco's election is a response to Obama's. The Streets of Dan Francisco is far more obviously a deliberate pun, and one that actually explains the character's bizarre name. See also: Barbara Hershey.

Nooo.... why have a I never seen this before!! Barbara Hershey....Hershey Bar.  (Slams head into desk crying at own stupidity!)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Big_Dave 21 March, 2016, 05:09:08 PM
I've just seen the Judge Dan Francisco entry on Wikipedia.  It doesn't mention that his show was a play on "The Streets of San Francisco" (which it has an article on, of course: here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Streets_of_San_Francisco)).

Could it be that it went over the head of the person who wrote the entry?
This entry? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judge_Francisco)  Doesn't matter if it went over the head of the person writing the entry or not - if it can't be supported by external citations then it shouldn't be in the article, even it's a pretty obvious pun (as long as you've heard of the original show, that is).  The name Dan Francisco is a bit more of an obvious pun though...

That level of citation-probity hardly gels with the supposition later in the same entry that Francisco's election is a response to Obama's. The Streets of Dan Francisco is far more obviously a deliberate pun, and one that actually explains the character's bizarre name. See also: Barbara Hershey.

Nooo.... why have a I never seen this before!! Barbara Hershey....Hershey Bar.  (Slams head into desk crying at own stupidity!)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Hershey
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: amines2058 21 March, 2016, 05:17:58 PM
So is our Hershey named after a chocloate bar or the Actress? Now I am confused.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Dandontdare 21 March, 2016, 05:53:00 PM
I think it's the actress - didn't she change her name to Barbara Seagull for a while after being possessed by the spirit of a seagull?

EDIT: yes she did - and she also "gave birth to their son, Free, who changed his name to Tom when he was nine years old" - now that's waht I call embarrssing mom syndrome!
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: TordelBack 21 March, 2016, 05:58:24 PM
Originally the confectioners, but if I remember correctly the 'Barbara' first name came from a readers' poll in the Meg.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: amines2058 21 March, 2016, 08:46:57 PM
Thanks Tordelback so everyone was right, and the real Barbara Hershey is a nutter. Glad that is all cleared up!
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Big_Dave 21 March, 2016, 09:07:10 PM
Originally the confectioners, but if I remember correctly the 'Barbara' first name came from a readers' poll in the Meg.


runner up was judgey mcjudgeface  http://metro.co.uk/2016/03/20/boaty-mcboatface-leads-online-poll-for-name-of-new-research-ship-5763140/
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: I, Cosh 25 March, 2016, 10:39:19 AM
Was out with a friend last night and learned something I'd been oblivious to.

Him: "Oh, I see Garry Shandling's died. Bummer."
Me: "Who's that?"
Him: "Garry Shandling. American comedian?"
Me: "Oh. Never heard of him."
Him: "The Larry Sanders Show?"
Me: "Eh? I vaguely remember that being on but I always assumed it was one of those shitey American chatshows they used to fill up empty bits of the schedules with."
Him: "..."
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Steve Green 25 March, 2016, 10:58:55 AM
It was treated pretty horribly by whatever maniac was scheduling BBC 2 programmes though...
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: ming 27 May, 2016, 05:13:05 PM
Huck Widney - who he?

I've wondered about who the hell Huck Widney was since Chopper tagged his block in UnAmerican Graffiti back in 1981.  Any clues?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Steve Green 27 May, 2016, 06:14:40 PM
Heh, was reading the same thread I think.

No idea.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: ming 28 May, 2016, 12:20:04 PM
Heh, was reading the same thread I think.

Probably!  Whenever I look at that page I always wonder about Huck Widney...  Why couldn't it have been Rita Tushingham Block or Ernest Borgnine or someone?  Bah!

 :lol:
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: M.I.K. 28 May, 2016, 02:03:51 PM
If Huck Widney's not a real person, it could be a Scottish dialect pun in-joke thing.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Frank 28 May, 2016, 04:31:25 PM
If Huck Widney's not a real person, it could be a Scottish dialect pun in-joke thing.

I was thinking the same thing. To explain: in idiomatic lowland Scots, would not becomes widnae (wid-nay), just as cannot gives way to cannae (can-nay), and will not transforms into willnae (can-nay). An old Scottish joke relies on the same speech pattern:


What's the difference between Bing Crosby and Walt Disney? Bings sings but Walt Disney


I can't think of any similar joke that has the punchline Huck widnae, though.


: Re: Things that went over your head...
: ming 28 May, 2016, 07:22:05 PM
If Huck Widney's not a real person, it could be a Scottish dialect pun in-joke thing.

I was thinking the same thing. To explain: in idiomatic lowland Scots, would not becomes widnae (wid-nay), just as cannot gives way to cannae (can-nay), and will not transforms into willnae (can-nay). An old Scottish joke relies on the same speech pattern:


What's the difference between Bing Crosby and Walt Disney? Bings sings but Walt Disney


I can't think of any similar joke that has the punchline Huck widnae, though.

Tom Sawyer wanted to swim in the Mississippi but Huck Widney /widnae...?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Mister Pops 28 May, 2016, 09:27:32 PM
If Huck Widney's not a real person, it could be a Scottish dialect pun in-joke thing.

I was thinking the same thing. To explain: in idiomatic lowland Scots, would not becomes widnae (wid-nay), just as cannot gives way to cannae (can-nay), and will not transforms into willnae (can-nay). An old Scottish joke relies on the same speech pattern:


What's the difference between Bing Crosby and Walt Disney? Bings sings but Walt Disney


I can't think of any similar joke that has the punchline Huck widnae, though.

Tom Sawyer wanted to swim in the Mississippi but Huck Widney /widnae...?

There's the Billy Connelly classic about the Weegie in the phone box who gets redirected to the operator:

"Here daft lad, the fanes nae workin'! I'm tryin tae ring ma burd!"

"Is there money in the box?"

"No its jist meself!"
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Spikes 29 May, 2016, 12:07:18 PM
I don't get it.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Mike Carroll 29 May, 2016, 12:14:16 PM
I reckon it's "money" = "many"

-- Mike
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Spikes 29 May, 2016, 12:28:50 PM
Ah!



: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 29 July, 2016, 08:51:57 AM
Just rereading some early Day of Chaos episodes, before the shit hit the fan.  Lovely bit of Wagner irony here when you know what's coming...

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r153/brnwlsh/08.jpg)



(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r153/brnwlsh/07.jpg)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 04 August, 2016, 10:49:09 PM
Does anyone remember a Calhab Justice one-off, where a Brit-Cit transfer judge in Glascal is bullied and harassed until he finally snaps and murders a citizen for dropping litter
One local judge calls it 'madness', while another says something like 'Naw, no' madness.  I'll gie ye anither guess'.

It's only a small thing, but it's baffled me ever since.  If flying into a homicidal rage isn't madness, what exactly is it? 
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: A.Cow 05 August, 2016, 12:42:27 AM
It's only a small thing, but it's baffled me ever since.  If flying into a homicidal rage isn't madness, what exactly is it?

PMT?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: The Legendary Shark 05 August, 2016, 03:56:43 AM
Future shock?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 05 August, 2016, 10:55:43 PM
Maybe he just turned Scotch.  Why can't you Scotches be peaceful and sober like what we, the Mick,
 are?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: norton canes 08 August, 2016, 11:05:29 AM
Here's one that's still going over my head... I've been re-reading Harry Twenty on the High Rock, and I get most of the jokes with the inmates' surnames and sentence lengths e.g. Svede Sixteen, Root Sixty Six etc.

But 'Genghis Eighteen' still escapes me. It sounds like it must be a pun. If it is, it's so obvious I'm missing it.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Dash Decent 08 August, 2016, 02:41:46 PM
We have a disinfectant spray in Australia called "Glen 20" (Click!) (http://www.dettol.com.au/products/clean-surfaces/dettol-glen-20-disinfectant-spray/).  All through my teenage years, whenever I heard it mentioned on an ad on the telly, I always thought of Harry on the High Rock and how this Glen bloke must be serving a sentence up there too.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: norton canes 08 August, 2016, 03:10:56 PM
I've just realised I've written 'Svede' instead of 'Swede'. 
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Trout 18 August, 2016, 06:24:29 AM
Walking the streets of Toronto at 1 am, a thought popped into my head.

Kreelman = cruel man.

Why did I never notice that before? Gagh!
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: sheridan 03 September, 2016, 10:29:54 PM
I hadn't seen Alien when Varks first ran, and the funny thing about things that you read that contain pop cultural references is that when you become aware of the thing that's being referenced you can have a blank spot when re-reading the original and not make that connection.

That's why I only just noticed today that Sigourney Bean bears a striking resemblance to Ripley in a not-entirely un-xenomorphic tale of genetically metamorphosing aliens in the Meg.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: TordelBack 04 September, 2016, 07:43:55 AM
I hadn't seen Alien when Varks first ran, and the funny thing about things that yo
That's why I only just noticed today that Sigourney Bean bears a striking resemblance to Ripley in a not-entirely un-xenomorphic tale of genetically metamorphosing aliens in the Meg.

Extra marks for noting that Sigourney Bean sounds more than a bit like Sawney Bean, mass cannibal/average Scot.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: ZenArcade 04 September, 2016, 04:38:17 PM
Genghis 18. Now you've got me. Genghis Khan was a pretty nasty piece of work who depopulated large parts of Northern China; Central Asia and Russia. 18 - numbers to letters - AH - Adolf Hitler a pretty nasty piece of work who denuded Eastern Europe and western Russia of millions of people?  I am most probably waaay off the mark mind you. Z
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Spikes 04 September, 2016, 06:33:42 PM
I'd never have twigged on this possible meaning, if you hadn't of posted. But certainly sounds like it could be plausible.

I first recall this 'numbers to letters' way of doing things from scumbag groups like Combat 18.
Which, just checking Wikipedia, formed in the early 90's. I guess this way of doing things was around a lot longer than that.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Leigh S 04 September, 2016, 11:20:22 PM
Ace Garps pointy head being inspired by the actual shape of an ace?  Not sure if this is true, but it would make sense and it only just struck me as likely/possible
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Proudhuff 05 September, 2016, 12:19:41 PM
The tool generally referred to as a Dofore, will in fact Do For the job  headslap
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Tony Angelino 05 September, 2016, 09:50:49 PM
I had a friend, when I was a kid, who always talked about Doctor and Quinch.

It's not really an example of something going over your head. I suppose it was more a case of him not reading the strip title correctly.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JamesC 06 September, 2016, 12:41:02 PM
My mate used to say 'Roger Trooper'.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: The Legendary Shark 07 September, 2016, 02:45:33 PM
I used to call Dash Decent Dash Descent.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Link Prime 07 September, 2016, 02:54:49 PM
My mate used to say 'Roger Trooper'.

Brilliant.
Someone has to enter a Roger Moore / Rogue Trooper mash-up into this months comp.

*My little cousin called him 'Rocky Trooper', bizarrely enough.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: ZenArcade 07 September, 2016, 05:26:17 PM
One for Button man: I seem to remember an art entry titled Roque. trooper in the letters page many, many years ago. Z
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Frank 07 September, 2016, 05:55:38 PM
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Prog 1797, Carroll and Smudge's Heavy Ordnance. So Johnny Alpha and Dredd really do inhabit the same timeline* ...


(http://i.imgur.com/f3rxKCa.jpg)


Only the ever reliable Jimbo (https://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php?topic=36705.msg700643#msg700643) thought it worthy of mention at the time.


* I kid
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: The Legendary Shark 07 September, 2016, 06:32:04 PM
In 1937, Westinghouse built the first "industrial atom smasher," a 5 MeV Van de Graaff electrostatic nuclear accelerator, so I guess by Dredd's time they may have branched out into weaponry...

Captain Irrelevant.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Frank 07 September, 2016, 06:48:11 PM
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They branched out a wee while ago - they're the US network (http://www.cbs.com/) that makes rubbish like NCIS and Big Brother. They were a big name in consumer electronics in the fifties; presumably they found their way into 2000ad due to the same childhood nostalgia as a brand name like Hershey.


: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Lobo Baggins 07 September, 2016, 06:56:39 PM
My mate used to say 'Roger Trooper'.

He's actually based on a little known comics character called 'Roger Topper' from a comic called Berk! from the mid sixties.  He was a character who possesses a talking top hat with all sorts of special abilities, although for no apparent reason he never used any of them and would spend every episode arguing with the hat, then he'd hold his breath until his face turned blue.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Steve Green 07 September, 2016, 07:19:49 PM
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They branched out a wee while ago - they're the US network (http://www.cbs.com/) that makes rubbish like NCIS and Big Brother. They were a big name in consumer electronics in the fifties; presumably they found their way into 2000ad due to the same childhood nostalgia as a brand name like Hershey.

John told me it was because his dad worked for them.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Frank 07 September, 2016, 07:23:10 PM
They branched out a wee while ago - they're the US network (http://www.cbs.com/) that makes rubbish like NCIS and Big Brother. They were a big name in consumer electronics in the fifties; presumably they found their way into 2000ad due to the same childhood nostalgia as a brand name like Hershey.

John told me it was because his dad worked for them.

Wow! Cheers, Steve.


: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Steve Green 07 September, 2016, 07:33:20 PM
You're welcome!
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Dash Decent 08 September, 2016, 04:10:07 AM
I used to call Dash Decent Dash Descent.

You called?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Dash Decent 08 September, 2016, 04:15:38 AM
When I saw the cover of prog 167 I wondered why it said "Comic Rock" when - being the prog - it could've said "Prog Rock".

: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Dash Decent 08 September, 2016, 04:41:21 AM
Sorry, posted too soon.  Sentence two:

So their subtlety went over my head at the time.

: Re: Things that went over your head...
: sheridan 09 September, 2016, 12:45:40 PM
I only just realised that Roseanne's Bar in Street Cred (Judge Dredd, Prog 1962) is a play on words on Roseanne Barr.  I had connected that Roseanne took place in the Lobo Lounge, but didn't get the Bar/Barr bit until now :-|

Not sure I get the subtlety of Comic Rock...
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Steve Green 11 September, 2016, 07:12:52 PM
I'm not sure if it went over my head or there's no connection, but reading Steve Mac's autobio, the whole grading of employees seems a lot like the categorising of droids in Robohunter.

Also wonder if the typewriter incident inspired Alec Trench?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: norton canes 12 September, 2016, 02:34:29 PM
From the intro to Slaine, in the prog before the strip started:

"At the age of 12 he had his first warp-spasm. At the age of 16 he learned the secret of the mound."

I'm not sure if this counts as something that went over my head at the time, or something I'm just reading too much into now.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: sheridan 12 September, 2016, 02:46:34 PM
From the intro to Slaine, in the prog before the strip started:

"At the age of 12 he had his first warp-spasm. At the age of 16 he learned the secret of the mound."

I'm not sure if this counts as something that went over my head at the time, or something I'm just reading too much into now.
The secret of the mound is from when he was chained up in the mound on midsummer's day (I think - don't have my copies to hand right now).
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Rio De Fideldo 12 September, 2016, 03:21:59 PM
It took me years to notice that the Resyk building is shaped like a coffin. I just thought it was a futuristic shape that McMahon had come up with.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: sheridan 12 September, 2016, 03:58:04 PM
It took me years to notice that the Resyk building is shaped like a coffin. I just thought it was a futuristic shape that McMahon had come up with.
I don't remember when I noticed that, but it was quite a way down the line :-)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 07 October, 2016, 06:17:23 AM
It took me years to notice that the Resyk building is shaped like a coffin. I just thought it was a futuristic shape that McMahon had come up with.
I don't remember when I noticed that, but it was quite a way down the line :-)

Feck. I honestly never noticed till now.

Also, I've just realised V (as in Vendetta) doesn't just signify V's cell number but also the 5th of November.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: sheridan 08 October, 2016, 08:25:16 AM
It took me years to notice that the Resyk building is shaped like a coffin. I just thought it was a futuristic shape that McMahon had come up with.
I don't remember when I noticed that, but it was quite a way down the line :-)

Feck. I honestly never noticed till now.

Also, I've just realised V (as in Vendetta) doesn't just signify V's cell number but also the 5th of November.

And Evie.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: The Enigmatic Dr X 08 October, 2016, 08:46:32 AM
It was years before I realised "Resyk" was pronounced re-psych and was short for re-cycling.

I always pronounced "Ressk".
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: malkymac 10 October, 2016, 11:18:53 AM
Way back in I think the original return of Rico story, the department that checks out all the new born sprogs is called 'birth control'.

something my 10 year old self had obviously never heard of at the time.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 16 October, 2016, 01:07:44 PM
A lesser writer would have gone for the more obvious joke.  But Wagner and / or Grant add an extra layer.

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r153/brnwlsh/vera.jpg)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Theblazeuk 17 October, 2016, 03:37:58 PM
Rob Schneider was Fergee?!?!

Hurr-hurr-*SOB*
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Lobo Baggins 17 October, 2016, 04:09:14 PM
Rob Schneider was Fergee?!?!

Hurr-hurr-*SOB*

Nope, Fergie - it's spelt and pronounced differently (at least in my head, it's always been Fer-GEE not Fer-gey).

Although I admit that until recently I never realised that Junior Angel was Spud off of Trainspotting.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Theblazeuk 17 October, 2016, 05:29:19 PM
So... you think it's just coincidence? I think that was it - Dredd's non-judge sidekick, Fergee...
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: I, Cosh 17 October, 2016, 05:41:01 PM
A lesser writer would have gone for the more obvious joke.  But Wagner and / or Grant add an extra layer.

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r153/brnwlsh/vera.jpg)
I must be thick. What joke am I missing in that panel?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Tjm86 17 October, 2016, 05:48:08 PM
Id've thought the standard response was "love a duck" which has been shifted to "lay a brick" which is a distortion of what ducks do.  Can't remember but wasn't Vera's Dad a builder?

Course I could be completely wrong. ::)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: The Legendary Shark 17 October, 2016, 06:00:17 PM
"Sh*t a brick," Shirley?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Tjm86 17 October, 2016, 06:46:27 PM
Possibly.  But don't call me Shirley!
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 18 October, 2016, 08:39:35 AM
Id've thought the standard response was "love a duck" which has been shifted to "lay a brick"

See, that's what I thought was so clever about it.  'Love a duck' would have been the obvious gag, given that's what Clarkie is doing, but Wagner and Grant neatly sidestep your expectations.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: I, Cosh 18 October, 2016, 09:22:19 AM
Ah, fair enough.

I have an embarrassing one which occurred to me while listening to rock radio in someone's car t'other week.

The repeated phrase "That ain't workin'" in the song Money for Nothing by the group Dire Straits does not, in fact, mean "This method is not producing the required outcome." but "No physical effort is required to make a living this way."

To be fair, the former never seemed to make a lot of sense but then neither do 98% of song lyrics. I actually admire the way so many singers are able to belt out a series of non sequiturs without cringing.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Colin YNWA 18 October, 2016, 07:01:04 PM
I have an embarrassing one which occurred to me while listening to rock radio in someone's car t'other week.

Yeah, yeah, yeah you say that Mr Rock FM
: Things that went over your head...
: glassstanley 18 October, 2016, 11:04:28 PM
Nearly 30 years after it was published, I have only just spotted what was special about the logo on Prog 502 (the Christmas Prog). '2000AD featuring Santa Dredd'
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: sheridan 18 October, 2016, 11:13:32 PM
Nearly 30 years after it was published, I have only just spotted what was special about the logo on Prog 502 (the Christmas Prog). '2000AD featuring Santa Dredd'
I've never noticed that either.  Almost-teenage me must have been distracted by something else on the cover.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 18 October, 2016, 11:21:50 PM
Nearly 30 years after it was published, I have only just spotted what was special about the logo on Prog 502 (the Christmas Prog). '2000AD featuring Santa Dredd'
I've never noticed that either.  Almost-teenage me must have been distracted by something else on the cover.

He was a darn sexy Fomorian alright.

Don't think I noticed the Santa Dredd bit either.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: sheridan 19 October, 2016, 12:28:39 AM
Nearly 30 years after it was published, I have only just spotted what was special about the logo on Prog 502 (the Christmas Prog). '2000AD featuring Santa Dredd'
I've never noticed that either.  Almost-teenage me must have been distracted by something else on the cover.

He was a darn sexy Fomorian alright.

Don't think I noticed the Santa Dredd bit either.

But like all fantasy beefcakes and cheesecakes, spends all his time wandering around really cold places wearing next-to-nothing :-)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: A.Cow 19 October, 2016, 12:36:01 AM
A lesser writer would have gone for the more obvious joke.  But Wagner and / or Grant add an extra layer.
(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r153/brnwlsh/vera.jpg)
I must be thick. What joke am I missing in that panel?

I didn't get it, either.  Had to look it up.  Apparently, in Coronation Street, the character Vera Duckworth made frequent claims that she was (allegedly) related to royalty.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: A.Cow 19 October, 2016, 12:49:51 AM
It's not 2000 AD-related, but I only recently realised that The Island of Doctor Moreau's titular character name also reads as "Doc Tomorrow" -- highly appropriate for a science fiction novel commenting on nature vs. nurture, vivisection & evolutionary theory and the consequences of such.

Note: The use of "Doc" as a familiar form or abbreviation for "Doctor" was well-established by the late 1800s, when the book was written.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Colin YNWA 19 October, 2016, 08:10:15 AM
Ha! Never spotted Santa Dredd (the commericalisation of X-Mas is complete. My predictive text replaced Santa with Santander!) I check that when home.
: Things that went over your head...
: glassstanley 19 October, 2016, 08:08:13 PM
Prog 1704, Dredd - The Skinning Room. Page where the Judges find Riggs. She's been stripped naked & strapped down. Either she's had an ... intimate tattoo or she trims her pubes into the shape of the Justice Dept Eagle.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: sheridan 23 October, 2016, 11:41:39 PM
From watching today's episode of QI-XL, I found out that Lobsang Rampant block (from Rumble in the Jungle) was named after fake monk Lobsang Rampa.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: The Enigmatic Dr X 23 October, 2016, 11:58:14 PM
The notebook given away recently as a subscriber gift had tweaked art... it had Dredd reading the Law on copyright infringement.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: sheridan 24 October, 2016, 12:06:02 AM
...that Archie had appeared in 2000AD prior to Zenith (and not just in that article about British comics which featured in an annual).  (the robot appeared in Tharg and the Intruder (https://sheridanwilde.wordpress.com/2016/10/23/prog-24-get-a-load-of-this-ancient-water-god-drawing/), fulfilling a not-dissimilar role as Mek-Quake in Kings Reach Tower.
: Things that went over your head...
: glassstanley 24 October, 2016, 08:28:18 AM
The notebook given away recently as a subscriber gift had tweaked art... it had Dredd reading the Law on copyright infringement.

That's how it was originally published, on the back of the 1st edition of Titan's Chronicles of Judge Dredd Vol 1. An early call for creator's rights.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: sheridan 25 October, 2016, 01:28:07 AM
...that the CIA paratroopers who killed Shako's mate and cubs were named Marx and Spencer.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: TordelBack 25 October, 2016, 09:00:01 AM
...that the CIA paratroopers who killed Shako's mate and cubs were named Marx and Spencer.

And I thought that story couldn't get any, um, cooler.  Great spot, Sheridan!
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Angry Vince 26 October, 2016, 07:05:07 AM
Didn't read the first 46 pages (late to the party), but only just realised that Johnny Alpha must of course be the best S/D agent because he is the Alpha Dog!

Can't believe I missed that one...
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 26 October, 2016, 11:01:43 AM
Didn't read the first 46 pages (late to the party), but only just realised that Johnny Alpha must of course be the best S/D agent because he is the Alpha Dog!

Can't believe I missed that one...

Never thought of that.  Get whet!
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Jacqusie 13 November, 2016, 02:12:12 PM
(http://i1167.photobucket.com/albums/q629/Simon_Jacques/Frank%20W_zpssckyrzrk.jpg) (http://s1167.photobucket.com/user/Simon_Jacques/media/Frank%20W_zpssckyrzrk.jpg.html)


I was reading some old Armoured Gid and it's only just occurred to me that Franks surname 'Weitz' is a make of German camera...

...Which is not to be confused with the Jokers Camera in on the cover of the Killikng Joke. That ones 'Witz' - German for Joke of course.

I'm sure John Tolinson was aware of both these facts when he wrote the series and I've really enjoyed looking at Simon Jacobs glorious painted art on the run, they don't make em' like that anymore...

Si
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: norton canes 03 January, 2017, 02:56:57 PM
Up to 1986 with my prog slog and I've noticed an instance of Mega-City slang I don't remember from reading them 30 years ago.

Did John Wagner or Alan Grant know what they were doing when they coined 'vag' as a term for vagrant?!
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Frank 03 January, 2017, 06:10:04 PM
Did John Wagner or Alan Grant know what they were doing when they coined 'vag' as a term for vagrant?!

The current three letter slang for the homeless is bum. Same general area.

At the time of Grindstone Cowboys, a few of us commented on the perfection of Dredd's typically terse response to Rico's doubts that he was ready to replace him - "you'll do (http://i.imgur.com/yyLuE6b.png)" [1].

Maybe Dredd's job approval seemed so in character because the lazy old bugger was recycling his words of encouragement to Hershey when she worried she wasn't ready to replace Volt as Chief Judge - "you'll do (http://i.imgur.com/SFc9TEh.png)" [2].


[1] Grindstone Cowboys, 1977

[2] Volt Face, 1167
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: lincnashOZ 13 January, 2017, 12:51:14 AM
Its a very new one that jumped out at me, perhaps others didnt see.
Jimp Heston in the recent Meg story Monkey Business.
Homage to Charlton Heston from the original (and best) Planet of the Apes movies ?.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 13 January, 2017, 05:05:45 PM
Its a very new one that jumped out at me, perhaps others didnt see.
Jimp Heston in the recent Meg story Monkey Business.
Homage to Charlton Heston from the original (and best) Planet of the Apes movies ?.

Hmmm, thought that one was fairly obvious.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Frank 14 January, 2017, 08:17:20 PM
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Hell Trekkers (387-415 (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=thrill&page=profiles&choice=HELLTREK)). Expedition leader Lucas Rudd's wife is called Amber*. Future satire (http://www.conservativehome.com/profiles/2015/05/profile-amber-rudd-a-true-believer-in-climate-change.html).


* Catchphrase: 'take your radiation pills'
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: sheridan 16 January, 2017, 02:05:28 AM
Its a very new one that jumped out at me, perhaps others didnt see.
Jimp Heston in the recent Meg story Monkey Business.
Homage to Charlton Heston from the original (and best) Planet of the Apes movies ?.

Hmmm, thought that one was fairly obvious.

And wasn't Charlton Heston Block the location of Monkey Business, way back in the 2100s?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: sheridan 16 January, 2017, 02:06:33 AM
Its a very new one that jumped out at me, perhaps others didnt see.
Jimp Heston in the recent Meg story Monkey Business.
Homage to Charlton Heston from the original (and best) Planet of the Apes movies ?.

Hmmm, thought that one was fairly obvious.

And wasn't Charlton Heston Block the location of Monkey Business, way back in the 2100s?

My mistake - Charles Darwin Block was that particular location...
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: James Stacey 17 January, 2017, 12:23:09 PM
There was a Charlton Heston block but not related. From the City of Dredd

Charlton Heston Block
A large, well-to-do cityblock. Infected by the Block Mania, Heston formed an alliance with Ricardo Montalban Block, but was wiped out by poison gas Heston helped manufacture which accidentally leaked from the Dixy Plasteen Complex. (Block Mania; City Block)
Matheson Peat led a Block Mania-crazed Citi-Def squad from the Charlton Heston Frontliners, attacking neighbouring Michael Moore Block and the East-Meg One invasion army. Other Frontliner volunteers included Marriot, Mattocks, Rawlinson and Topley. They investigated the ruins of the Rejin Estate, where Peat discovered the half-mad Erik Rejin, the only survivor of his family. (The Final Cut)
By 2123, Heston Block had been annexed within Apetown’s borders. The ape uplift Travis Perkins was raised in Apartment 1175. (The Fierce and the Furious)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: sheridan 21 January, 2017, 12:53:39 AM
There was a Charlton Heston block but not related. From the City of Dredd

Charlton Heston Block
A large, well-to-do cityblock. Infected by the Block Mania, Heston formed an alliance with Ricardo Montalban Block, but was wiped out by poison gas Heston helped manufacture which accidentally leaked from the Dixy Plasteen Complex. (Block Mania; City Block)
Matheson Peat led a Block Mania-crazed Citi-Def squad from the Charlton Heston Frontliners, attacking neighbouring Michael Moore Block and the East-Meg One invasion army. Other Frontliner volunteers included Marriot, Mattocks, Rawlinson and Topley. They investigated the ruins of the Rejin Estate, where Peat discovered the half-mad Erik Rejin, the only survivor of his family. (The Final Cut)
By 2123, Heston Block had been annexed within Apetown’s borders. The ape uplift Travis Perkins was raised in Apartment 1175. (The Fierce and the Furious)

Ah-hah - so the apes got Charlton Heston in the end!
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: Smith 21 January, 2017, 04:20:37 PM
Meat Patrol from Meg #224 has Tommy Vercetti Social Club,Rockstar North Boulevard. :)
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: Tombo 22 January, 2017, 04:28:00 PM
I was reading the Mega-Collection version of "Chasing Herod" last night and suddenly noticed that Lucy Melmoths' rather fetching zebra-print outfit had an actual tail attached, although it would appear to have been dropped by the time Pussyfoot 5 was published.
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: Frank 23 January, 2017, 10:33:19 PM
Urban created a distinctive voice to make him seem tough: “In my research I came across a passage in one of the Dredd comics, saying Dredd’s voice sounded like a saw cutting through bone. So for me that was kind of the starting point"  The Huffington Post, 03/09/2012 (http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/09/03/dredd-3d-star-karl-urban-violence-shocked_n_1851730.html)

The Tenth Planet (http://i.imgur.com/pxD7aWO.png), Megazine 2.58 (July 1994), by John Wagner and Carlos Ezquerra.


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: Echidna 28 January, 2017, 04:54:47 PM
Just occurred to me - Tale of the Dead Man might be a play on "dead men tell no tales"
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: JayzusB.Christ 02 February, 2017, 09:41:43 PM
I seem to be the only reader whose head this didn't go over.  Just been catching up with January's progs and immediately recognised very thinly disguised versions of our erstwhile boarder (and my friend and former neighbour) Johnny Stress with his twin brother Danny.  Johnny has the rockabilly 'do while Danny has the mutton chops.  Unconvinced?  One of the real brothers has, or had, a pet spaniel.  Still unconvinced?  Mike Carroll didn't even bother to change their surname! 

PS I told Johnny today; he read through his latest progs and was suitably chuffed.

PPS I know you're still lurking here, McMonagle - hope you don't mind me posting this ;)

PPPS They're both way slimmer and handsomer than Tiernan Trevallion has them.

(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16406834_10154255561506629_8534137611465076556_n.jpg?oh=d0e209da970ba472e13def64c93796bd&oe=59077150)






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: Frank 02 February, 2017, 10:59:19 PM

John Burdis points out that the brothers' forenames - Fernando (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQsjAbZDx-4) and Angelo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRLQs0w4ExY) - are not without significance. And of course, the story takes place on the Diana Rig(g).


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: Steamrunner 03 February, 2017, 09:46:33 PM
Just following up on the Charlton Heston block references above —  Charlton Heston was the first named block ("City Block 1", way back in prog 117). I'd forgotten it cropped up again...
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: Steve Green 08 February, 2017, 06:10:30 PM
Brigand Doom
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: A.Cow 08 February, 2017, 07:52:16 PM
Brigand Doom

Is it meant to sound like Brigadoom (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigadoon)?
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: Steve Green 08 February, 2017, 07:53:18 PM
Brigadoon, I imagine so.
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: JayzusB.Christ 08 February, 2017, 08:25:18 PM
It took me way too long to cop that Armoured Gideon sounded like Armageddon.
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: I, Cosh 08 February, 2017, 09:47:03 PM
Brigand Doom
Not convinced by this one.

When I saw that cover pop up on Facebook it reminded me that I've always suspected Dave D'Antiquis was a play on words but I've never been able to work out what it might be.
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: Mike Carroll 08 February, 2017, 09:53:46 PM
Brigand Doom
Not convinced by this one.

When I saw that cover pop up on Facebook it reminded me that I've always suspected Dave D'Antiquis was a play on words but I've never been able to work out what it might be.

I always figured it was meant to sound like "Day of the Anti-Christ."
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: The Legendary Shark 08 February, 2017, 10:07:44 PM
Dave the Old?

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: I, Cosh 08 February, 2017, 10:18:58 PM
... I've always suspected Dave D'Antiquis was a play on words but I've never been able to work out what it might be.
I always figured it was meant to sound like "Day of the Anti-Christ."
Oh, that's a good effort!
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: TordelBack 08 February, 2017, 10:23:34 PM
Brigand Doom
Not convinced by this one.

You saw the rain dirty valley?
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: sheridan 09 February, 2017, 12:46:23 AM
Brigand Doom
Not convinced by this one.

You saw the rain dirty valley?

Is that a torch in your pocket?
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: norton canes 11 February, 2017, 11:10:49 PM
Just re-read the first couple of episodes of 'Bitch' and it defintitely went over my head that Durham Red's victim is called Ab Rancid.
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: Fungus 12 February, 2017, 01:55:47 AM
Hewligan = Hooligan.
From a drunken moment of clarity, chatting to DDD at the 40th.
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: sheridan 12 February, 2017, 02:16:05 AM
Hewligan = Hooligan.
From a drunken moment of clarity, chatting to DDD at the 40th.

You got that it was also Hewlett and Milligan though?
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: Fungus 12 February, 2017, 03:02:23 AM
Hewligan = Hooligan.
From a drunken moment of clarity, chatting to DDD at the 40th.

You got that it was also Hewlett and Milligan though?

Yup, of course.
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: glassstanley 16 February, 2017, 06:33:00 AM
M.A.C.H. Zero was quite macho. Only just spotted that one.
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: Magnetica 24 March, 2017, 06:38:16 AM
So you know how we never saw Nemesis in the first few episodes of Book 1 and he was only revealed later? (In the Sci-fi Special IIRC.)

Well actually he was on the cover of Prog 222 all along - he is there in orange on the left hand side border. I had never noticed that until this morning - take a look in the "Your Favourite Prog Covers" thread.

It is amazing how you can look at stuff but not see it properly - literally for years.
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: Jim_Campbell 24 March, 2017, 10:02:59 AM
So you know how we never saw Nemesis in the first few episodes of Book 1 and he was only revealed later? (In the Sci-fi Special IIRC.)

Not quite… the Sci-Fi special marginally predated Nemesis Bk1. Nemesis didn't appear outside the Blitzspear in the first couple of shorts, but the reveal came in the 1981 Sci-Fi Special (July 1, according to Google), and Nemesis Book 1 started later in the same month. (I certainly recall knowing what Nemesis looked like before the first book ran…)
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: Magnetica 24 March, 2017, 10:50:29 AM
Thanks Jim. I couldn't quite remember when the Sci-if Special came out. But I do remember not being able to get hold of it at the time, so for me I didn't know what he looked like until he was shown a few episodes in.

It was only a couple of years later when I managed to get it.
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: I, Cosh 24 March, 2017, 10:56:56 AM
Like Cornelius Cardew before him, I only recently made the connection between the great maestro Pilchards-in-Tomato-Sauce Clayderman and the composer Karlheinz Stockhausen (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=264HLeQIUv4).

I'd like to think the name came first and the story quickly improvised over a couple of pints later.
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: Magnetica 24 March, 2017, 11:00:27 AM
So what is the Cornelius Cardew thing?
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: I, Cosh 24 March, 2017, 11:13:49 AM
So what is the Cornelius Cardew thing?
In addition to being Skizz's pipe fitting mate, he was an English avant-garde composer and "loony leftie" who grew up not terribly far from Northampton.
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: sheridan 24 March, 2017, 12:53:35 PM
So what is the Cornelius Cardew thing?
In addition to being Skizz's pipe fitting mate, he was an English avant-garde composer and "loony leftie" who grew up not terribly far from Northampton.

Good old Wikipedia: In Popular Culture (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornelius_Cardew#In_popular_culture)
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: MF1970 24 March, 2017, 08:31:07 PM
It took me way too long to cop that Armoured Gideon sounded like Armageddon.

I always thought it was from The Clash song Armagideon Time
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: norton canes 27 March, 2017, 12:56:50 PM
Aux Drift = Rourke's Drift
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: hippynumber1 27 March, 2017, 01:10:35 PM
Hewligan = Hooligan.
From a drunken moment of clarity, chatting to DDD at the 40th.

You got that it was also Hewlett and Milligan though?

Yup, of course.

You know, that went right over my head. So bloody obvious now.
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: Dash Decent 29 March, 2017, 01:00:40 PM
You know, that went right over my head.

Like a haircut.
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: Proudhuff 29 March, 2017, 01:08:41 PM
Kidney  :o
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: Hawkmumbler 29 March, 2017, 05:01:42 PM
Kidney  :o
Wow, really? You've only just noticed? Funny because it took me longer to notice Wulf was called Sternhammer because he was a stern fellow...with a hammer. :lol:
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: Proudhuff 01 April, 2017, 11:40:55 AM
Yeah  :-[

I never ran the two words together, until a recent Dogbreath issue...
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: Steve Green 03 April, 2017, 01:14:46 PM
Was just re-reading SD Agency Files 01, and noticed that Wulf's cucumber fetish was actually started by another character, the Wolrog Sergeant Kark in the Galaxy Killers. (He's smart as cucumber you know)
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: Mardroid 03 April, 2017, 05:24:33 PM
I've often wondered how Would got so obsessed with cucumbers being a viking, as isn't it a New World fruit?* Then again, the Norsemen did cross the great divide centuries before that Columbus chap.

I suspect he picked it up later, though.

* I'm sure it's technically a fruit having seed thing inside.
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: JayzusB.Christ 03 April, 2017, 06:06:41 PM
Better than Harry 20's weasel obsession, anyway.
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: Tombo 03 April, 2017, 07:10:25 PM
I've often wondered how Would got so obsessed with cucumbers being a viking, as isn't it a New World fruit?* Then again, the Norsemen did cross the great divide centuries before that Columbus chap.

I suspect he picked it up later, though.

* I'm sure it's technically a fruit having seed thing inside.

According the Wikipedia cucumbers were first cultivated in India around 3000 years ago, and they're mentioned in the Old Testament. The first recorded mention in France is from the 9th century so maybe he visited France on a raid.

Botanically they're a fruit but they're treated as a vegetable from a culinary point of view.
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: Bad City Blue 03 April, 2017, 08:46:48 PM
Better than Harry 20's weasel obsession, anyway.

That gets really weird when it's read in one sitting.
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: JayzusB.Christ 03 April, 2017, 09:19:20 PM
Better than Harry 20's weasel obsession, anyway.

That gets really weird when it's read in one sitting.

'Well, knock me down with a weasel.' Hmmmm
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: norton canes 06 April, 2017, 12:21:04 PM
Hershey, Bar(bara)
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: sheridan 06 April, 2017, 12:31:05 PM
Hershey, Bar(bara)

I wonder if that one was intentional?  I thought I read somewhere (possibly earlier in this thread) that the name was taken from this Barbara Hershey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Hershey).
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: Rogue Judge 06 April, 2017, 04:06:21 PM
Hershey, Bar(bara)

I wonder if that one was intentional?  I thought I read somewhere (possibly earlier in this thread) that the name was taken from this Barbara Hershey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Hershey).

Maybe this Hershey was named after the Hershey Bar... ;)
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: Lobo Baggins 06 April, 2017, 04:24:31 PM
Hershey, Bar(bara)

I wonder if that one was intentional?  I thought I read somewhere (possibly earlier in this thread) that the name was taken from this Barbara Hershey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Hershey).

She was named by a phone poll early in the Megazine's history which, if I recall, had no options so I assume they ended up with a load of random other possibility and two or three people who said Barbara because it was the name of an actress, or just sounded familiar.

I'd have gone with Carol (Carol Hersee has a vaguely similar name and has appeared more on British television than everyone else put together...) but didn't bother to ring in because it was something like a pound a minute.
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: positronic 06 April, 2017, 04:29:05 PM
Hershey, Bar(bara)

I wonder if that one was intentional?  I thought I read somewhere (possibly earlier in this thread) that the name was taken from this Barbara Hershey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Hershey).

Maybe this Hershey was named after the Hershey Bar... ;)

And the Hershey chocolate bar was manufactured by a confectionary firm founded by a man named Hershey! Who knows whether there might not be some actual blood relation in ancestry between the actress and the chocolate bar magnate?
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: positronic 06 April, 2017, 04:36:27 PM
Better than Harry 20's weasel obsession, anyway.

Did anyone already mention that Harry 20 was Escape From Alcatraz (starring Clint Eastwood) IN SPAAAAACE... ?  :lol:
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: sheridan 06 April, 2017, 04:36:33 PM
Hershey, Bar(bara)

I wonder if that one was intentional?  I thought I read somewhere (possibly earlier in this thread) that the name was taken from this Barbara Hershey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Hershey).

Maybe this Hershey was named after the Hershey Bar... ;)

And the Hershey chocolate bar was manufactured by a confectionary firm founded by a man named Hershey! Who knows whether there might not be some actual blood relation in ancestry between the actress and the chocolate bar magnate?

And maybe both of them are related to the CJ?
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: positronic 06 April, 2017, 04:40:06 PM
Hershey, Bar(bara)

I wonder if that one was intentional?  I thought I read somewhere (possibly earlier in this thread) that the name was taken from this Barbara Hershey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Hershey).

Maybe this Hershey was named after the Hershey Bar... ;)

And the Hershey chocolate bar was manufactured by a confectionary firm founded by a man named Hershey! Who knows whether there might not be some actual blood relation in ancestry between the actress and the chocolate bar magnate?

And maybe both of them are related to the CJ?

Well, apart from the fact that's she's a fictional character living in some possible 'what if' science-fictional future timeline... Judges all have common names we see in real life, so why not?

I wonder if it would violate any laws if some writer put in a reference to Hershey being a descendant of one of them?
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: sheridan 06 April, 2017, 04:45:25 PM
And maybe both of them are related to the CJ?

Well, apart from the fact that's she's a fictional character living in some possible 'what if' science-fictional future timeline... Judges all have common names we see in real life, so why not?

I wonder if it would violate any laws if some writer put in a reference to Hershey being a descendant of one of them?

You and your 'fiction'.

I still like that there's a MC1 Judge who's a descendant of Dutch Schaefer.
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: Rogue Judge 06 April, 2017, 05:41:58 PM
Hershey, Bar(bara)

I wonder if that one was intentional?  I thought I read somewhere (possibly earlier in this thread) that the name was taken from this Barbara Hershey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Hershey).

Maybe this Hershey was named after the Hershey Bar... ;)

And the Hershey chocolate bar was manufactured by a confectionary firm founded by a man named Hershey! Who knows whether there might not be some actual blood relation in ancestry between the actress and the chocolate bar magnate?

And maybe both of them are related to the CJ?

Well, apart from the fact that's she's a fictional character living in some possible 'what if' science-fictional future timeline... Judges all have common names we see in real life, so why not?

I wonder if it would violate any laws if some writer put in a reference to Hershey being a descendant of one of them?

That settles it - in my canon, Judge Hershey is officially a descendant of the chocolate founder Mr. Hershey and the cousin of Willy Wonka (twice removed)
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: positronic 06 April, 2017, 10:16:31 PM
And maybe both of them are related to the CJ?

Well, apart from the fact that's she's a fictional character living in some possible 'what if' science-fictional future timeline... Judges all have common names we see in real life, so why not?

I wonder if it would violate any laws if some writer put in a reference to Hershey being a descendant of one of them?

You and your 'fiction'.

I still like that there's a MC1 Judge who's a descendant of Dutch Schaefer.

Did anyone ever try looking in the phone directory (this was a thing before internet-capable smartphones, kids, ask your dads) for the name Dredd?
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: JayzusB.Christ 06 April, 2017, 10:38:12 PM
I just found this lad.  I assume that's his real name; can't see why a Safeway's salesperson would need a pseuodonym.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/joe-dredd-020b6497 (https://www.linkedin.com/in/joe-dredd-020b6497)
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: JOE SOAP 06 April, 2017, 10:50:50 PM


Dredd was supposed to be black.

http://conventions.cps.neu.edu/videos/travis-dredd/

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: CalHab 07 April, 2017, 09:55:34 AM
I just found this lad.  I assume that's his real name; can't see why a Safeway's salesperson would need a pseuodonym.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/joe-dredd-020b6497 (https://www.linkedin.com/in/joe-dredd-020b6497)

I find his chin disappointing.
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: Dash Decent 07 April, 2017, 03:11:37 PM
Dredd was supposed to be black.

That explains why he can wear such a close-fitting helmet.
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: TordelBack 07 April, 2017, 09:14:15 PM
Hold it there now hoss, Bernard Manning you ain't.
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: positronic 08 April, 2017, 06:41:20 AM
I just found this lad.  I assume that's his real name; can't see why a Safeway's salesperson would need a pseuodonym.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/joe-dredd-020b6497 (https://www.linkedin.com/in/joe-dredd-020b6497)

That's classic. So he worked installing CCTV systems (and later automated security gates) for a little over 3.5 years, then was unemployed for 2.5 years, and for the last 6.5 years has been working in the liquor department at Safeway (no title listed, so I'm guessing he's not the department manager). I wonder if he's familiar with his namesake? It's a fair bet he might have heard of the movie, though.
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: Smith 08 April, 2017, 06:57:06 AM
This is just like Busieks Supeman: Secret Identity. :D
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: Dash Decent 08 April, 2017, 02:41:13 PM
Hold it there now hoss, Bernard Manning you ain't.

I just meant he's got no hair to get in the way.  Nothing else.  I've always thought Dredd's hair must be really worn down with the constant (23 hours 50 mins) a day of wearing such a tight helmet.  And remember all the "it looks too big!" comments when we first saw Urban's more realistically-sized helmet.
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: positronic 08 April, 2017, 06:59:37 PM
Does Joe Dredd even have hair? How do we know, was it shown (from the back of his head, obviously) somewhere? Maybe it would make more sense if his head was shaved?
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: Smith 09 April, 2017, 06:11:59 AM
Didnt notice it the first time;one of the opening quotes in Nikolai Dante is atributed to "The Kama Sutra" translated by Richard Burton.:/
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: Dash Decent 09 April, 2017, 02:48:05 PM
Sir Richard Burton was the translator of the Kama Sutra.  He's a different Richard Burton to the one that married Elizabeth Taylor.
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: Smith 09 April, 2017, 03:56:30 PM
Well,in my defense,there are a lot of people with that name,so its easy to get confused.  :)
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: sheridan 09 April, 2017, 11:58:42 PM
Sir Richard Burton was the translator of the Kama Sutra.  He's a different Richard Burton to the one that married Elizabeth Taylor.

Both pale beside this one:

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-PytMr-25oWw/VTTOfZgpeQI/AAAAAAAABo8/Wo20YFHA4-A/s1600/287%2BBurt.jpg)
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: Smith 10 April, 2017, 05:25:32 AM
That also crossed my mind. :)
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: Smith 15 April, 2017, 05:07:02 PM
I guess this is a good place to ask as any.So a Kenny Who? related question-the bit about the company using a droid to reproduce Who's art is obviously a jab at another artist,but who?(pun not intended)Which American artist of the time was copying Cam Kennedy?
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: positronic 15 April, 2017, 05:23:59 PM
I guess this is a good place to ask as any.So a Kenny Who? related question-the bit about the company using a droid to reproduce Who's art is obviously a jab at another artist,but who?(pun not intended)Which American artist of the time was copying Cam Kennedy?

But this is before Cam Kennedy's actual American-published work, by some years, wasn't it? And I can't recall who was first to publish (not reprint) him in America. Had to be prior to Dark Horse's Star Wars, I think, so maybe DC?

I remember thinking that the Star Wars thing was what gained Cam Kennedy real acceptance by the Amercan market, though. Before that, he was too far from mainstream acceptability for the US. Which is why it seems odd to me that an American artist should be copying his style, if it wasn't that popular in America prior to Star Wars.
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: Smith 15 April, 2017, 05:35:57 PM
Kenny who is a bit of a take on the authors own attempts to break into American comics.So Kennedy probably recognized his style in somebodies work.
And even if it isnt always obvious,people at Big 2 were familiar with 2000ad.Take for example that odd period when every superhero adopted Zeniths style of jacket over costume.Granted Paradax did it first,but you know what I meant.
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: positronic 15 April, 2017, 05:42:13 PM
Kenny who is a bit of a take on the authors own attempts to break into American comics.So Kennedy probably recognized his style in somebodies work.
And even if it isnt always obvious,people at Big 2 were familiar with 2000ad.Take for example that odd period when every superhero adopted Zeniths style of jacket over costume.Granted Paradax did it first,but you know what I meant.

Oh definitely. Sometimes it has nothing to do with trying to copy something popular in an attempt to boost your own popularity. Sometimes its even the opposite, where the influenced artist seizes on a lesser-known's style in order to 're-invent' himself somewhat, figuring no one's going to catch it because the artist being copied in less popular in the copyist's marketplace. I remember Keith Giffen got bagged by The Comics Journal for copying... who's the euro artist? Jose' Munoz? I've forgotten now.

Not
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: BPP 15 April, 2017, 06:18:28 PM
Cam tells the story about Kenny Who being all about a joke about a big two editor not knowing who he was and when introduced shouting 'Kenny Who?' at Wagner / him. This was when the Americans were looking to raid the UK talent pool and Wagner / Grant / Kennedy were pitching for a deal. He never mentioned the copying element so doubt that was part of the real-life contribution to the story.
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: Smith 15 April, 2017, 06:26:13 PM
Yes,it did.The same company made a droid that imitated Who's artwork.Which send him on an axe rampage and confrontation with Judge Dredd.
Beyond our Kenny;Meg #1-3
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: JOE SOAP 15 April, 2017, 06:28:30 PM
Kenny who is a bit of a take on the authors own attempts to break into American comics.


BBC interview with Cam Kennedy

Wagner and Grant had pitched a story idea to DC Comics, which Kennedy would draw.

After initial keen interest, Kennedy said that the trio struggled to get confirmation that the strip was going ahead.

Kennedy said: "This was in the 80s when you had to try and reach people by phone. You couldn't text or email someone directly.

"Eventually it was decided one of us should go to New York and confront Denny O'Neil, a writer and editor mainly of Batman stories, about our pitch.

"It was me - the one furthest from the main airports and who had to take a ferry and then drive to Glasgow - who was picked to go.

"When I finally got to DC Comics, I was pointed down a corridor to O'Neil's office. This guy with braces holding up his troosers came out of the office just before I reached it.

"I asked him if he was Denny O'Neil and then told him I was Cam Kennedy from Scotland. He just looked at me and said "Kenny Who?"

Greatly amused, Wagner and Grant went on to write Kenny Who? as a character. In one strip, he travels to Mega-City One from the Caledonian Hab Zone (Calhab) in Scotland.

Kennedy said: "Kenny Who? ends up in jail and his wife and two kids then come over and confront Dredd. One of Kenny's kids pees on Dredd."




http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-19014995
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: JOE SOAP 15 April, 2017, 06:39:49 PM
I assume Kenny Who was more a Jab at IPC/Fleetway and the battle for royalties etc.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GA_S-71DQGY/TuRvMC5A5wI/AAAAAAAAAY8/v-HPDa53dko/s1600/creatorsrights.jpg)

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: positronic 15 April, 2017, 07:30:00 PM

"I asked him if he was Denny O'Neil and then told him I was Cam Kennedy from Scotland. He just looked at me and said "Kenny Who?"

These kind of embarrassing international cultural faux-pas could have been avoided, if only they'd invented Rosetta Stone Scottish for Americans back then.
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: Smith 15 April, 2017, 08:01:20 PM
I assume Kenny Who was more a Jab at IPC/Fleetway and the battle for royalties etc.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GA_S-71DQGY/TuRvMC5A5wI/AAAAAAAAAY8/v-HPDa53dko/s1600/creatorsrights.jpg)
I figured out that part,I was just wondering if Kennedy thought another artist was ripping him off.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: positronic 15 April, 2017, 08:06:01 PM
Was it from that story where they let a bunch of the artists do one page of whatever they wanted, and they refused to print Mick McMahon's? I remember something about there being a charge of swiping leveled at somebody in that one (not McMahon's page, I think)?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JOE SOAP 15 April, 2017, 08:34:41 PM
Was it from that story where they let a bunch of the artists do one page of whatever they wanted, and they refused to print Mick McMahon's? I remember something about there being a charge of swiping leveled at somebody in that one (not McMahon's page, I think)?

https://books.google.ie/books?id=dyrcCgAAQBAJ&pg=PT21&lpg=PT21&dq=mike+mcmahon+prog+500&source=bl&ots=g4Ue_YcvCD&sig=LOGaBumg9I3vYSC8UYjk0MXl_NY&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjAw6mFmqfTAhXHB8AKHTF7Ab0Q6AEIRDAG#v=onepage&q=mike%20mcmahon%20prog%20500&f=false
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Dash Decent 16 April, 2017, 12:44:37 AM
I read the trade for Aux Drift yesterday.  It wasn't until I got to the script section at the back that I realised the dog flying the biplane at the start is named Snoop, i.e. Snoopy in his Red Baron-baiting 'WWI flying ace' daydream persona.

In my defence I hadn't noticed Snoop's name given in the strip; there was so much name-calling going on between the pilot and gunner that I must've glossed over it.  The name is there in the strip though.

Still waiting for a Ronnie Barker to turn up.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: positronic 16 April, 2017, 02:29:41 AM
Was it from that story where they let a bunch of the artists do one page of whatever they wanted, and they refused to print Mick McMahon's? I remember something about there being a charge of swiping leveled at somebody in that one (not McMahon's page, I think)?

https://books.google.ie/books?id=dyrcCgAAQBAJ&pg=PT21&lpg=PT21&dq=mike+mcmahon+prog+500&source=bl&ots=g4Ue_YcvCD&sig=LOGaBumg9I3vYSC8UYjk0MXl_NY&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjAw6mFmqfTAhXHB8AKHTF7Ab0Q6AEIRDAG#v=onepage&q=mike%20mcmahon%20prog%20500&f=false

Right, that was it. "Tharg's Head Revisited", in Prog 500. And it was Mick McMahon accusing the plagiarization? I wasn't sure if Cam Kennedy had been involved in that and drawn a page, perhaps utilizing Kenny Who? to comment on another artist appropriating his work.

Thanks for pointing out those 2000 AD creator interview collections, Joe. I wasn't aware those existed, if apparently only available in digital -- I'm trying to avoid Kindle's format though. Have to think about those.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: The Corinthian 16 April, 2017, 10:44:32 AM
Right, that was it. "Tharg's Head Revisited", in Prog 500. And it was Mick McMahon accusing the plagiarization? I wasn't sure if Cam Kennedy had been involved in that and drawn a page, perhaps utilizing Kenny Who? to comment on another artist appropriating his work.
That page is reprinted in Judge Dredd: The Mega-History (along with the Brian Bolland page that was also cut from the same strip) and the commentary makes it clear which specific artist McMahon was accusing - but it wasn't Kennedy.

The McMahon replacement page that was published in Prog 500 counts as a thing that went over my head, because it alludes to the censorship without saying too much. As a kid I could tell something was up but had no idea what.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: positronic 17 April, 2017, 06:03:11 AM
Right, that was it. "Tharg's Head Revisited", in Prog 500. And it was Mick McMahon accusing the plagiarization? I wasn't sure if Cam Kennedy had been involved in that and drawn a page, perhaps utilizing Kenny Who? to comment on another artist appropriating his work.
That page is reprinted in Judge Dredd: The Mega-History (along with the Brian Bolland page that was also cut from the same strip) and the commentary makes it clear which specific artist McMahon was accusing - but it wasn't Kennedy.

It was Brett Ewins. That's in the link that Joe Soap posted to the relevant Google Books page from the 2000 AD Creator Interviews Vol. 04. Ewins is quoted in response to McMahon's page from "Tharg's Head Revisited", so you may want to check it out.

I knew I'd seen those "Tharg's Head Revisited" pages reprinted somewhere in one of the books I have, I just couldn't remember where to reference it, and the details of the events surrounding the controversial story were hazy in my memory.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: A.Cow 17 April, 2017, 01:53:36 PM
It was Brett Ewins. That's in the link that Joe Soap posted to the relevant Google Books page from the 2000 AD Creator Interviews Vol. 04. Ewins is quoted in response to McMahon's page from "Tharg's Head Revisited", so you may want to check it out.

If I read it right, Ewins argued that deadlines (& the need to emulate existing artists) led to the tracing incident, which he claimed was a one-off.

Going back to the Kenny Who? story, I suspect that Wagner & Kennedy were referencing a problem which had become a general issue in the industry at the time (rather than something that had happened to Cam himself).

It's interesting to note that the same thing has happened with composers of big-budget Hollywood movie soundtracks (https://youtu.be/7vfqkvwW2fs?t=9m43s (https://youtu.be/7vfqkvwW2fs?t=9m43s)) who are being asked to emulate existing temp tracks used during editing.  Some things never change!
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: positronic 17 April, 2017, 04:51:09 PM
It was Brett Ewins. That's in the link that Joe Soap posted to the relevant Google Books page from the 2000 AD Creator Interviews Vol. 04. Ewins is quoted in response to McMahon's page from "Tharg's Head Revisited", so you may want to check it out.

If I read it right, Ewins argued that deadlines (& the need to emulate existing artists) led to the tracing incident, which he claimed was a one-off.

Going back to the Kenny Who? story, I suspect that Wagner & Kennedy were referencing a problem which had become a general issue in the industry at the time (rather than something that had happened to Cam himself).

It's interesting to note that the same thing has happened with composers of big-budget Hollywood movie soundtracks (https://youtu.be/7vfqkvwW2fs?t=9m43s (https://youtu.be/7vfqkvwW2fs?t=9m43s)) who are being asked to emulate existing temp tracks used during editing.  Some things never change!

Or even something like... in the early days of Silver Age Marvel comics, when they'd bring in a new artist to be a new regular penciller on a series that was usually kicked off by an issue (or several) pencilled by Jack Kirby, Stan Lee would often have Kirby do page breakdowns (or layouts) for the incoming artist, to try to give the new artist a feel for the sensibility that Lee wanted the series to capture. Basically the direction here (if not issued as a direct order in as many words) was, "do it like Kirby would", and "here's how, to give you a feel for it".

I can understand what Ewins is trying to say there, in a way. John Romita, when he took over the pencilling of The Amazing Spider-Man from Steve Ditko, was terrified that he was going to be reviled by the readers as a pretender and an also-ran. He was convinced he was going to go down as the artist who wound up getting the series cancelled. He knew the readers were used to Ditko's artwork, and liked it -- and that was the kind of Spider-Man they expected and wanted to see. So on his earliest issues he held back on his own natural style, and tried to draw it more towards what he perceived as the readers' desires.

When you're the new guy you probably think you're being asked to fill some big shoes, and you're going to suffer by comparison to the already-popular artists who have been established as fan-favorites. If your natural style isn't anything like the popular guy's style, you try to cheat and force yourself to draw the way they do, and you resort to swiping, because there's no way you can follow "in the tradition of" without leaning heavily on the readers' familiarity with previous stories. Whether or not an editor may have encouraged (or even suggested or requested) that sort of thing is another thing we'll probably never know.

Now I'm not going to say either McMahon or Ewins is right or wrong here, at least not without having studied closely specific pages and panels that are the bones of contention. Was it really only a one-time thing? That would seem to portray McMahon as a particularly over-reactive sort of artist. Or did Ewins really take shortcuts more often that he's willing to admit, and he's just trying to soft-pedal his guilt after being caught at it? I really don't know -- all I'm saying is I can understand it somewhat in light of the practical demands of how the comics industry works, and how comics fans & readers think. In the old days, it wasn't like today. It just wasn't always so simple and straightforward as "Just give it your best and be yourself; I'm sure everything will turn out fine and the readers will love it."
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Jim_Campbell 17 April, 2017, 06:34:57 PM
If I read it right, Ewins argued that deadlines (& the need to emulate existing artists) led to the tracing incident, which he claimed was a one-off.

Apart from the innumerable swipes from Gibbons in his Rogue Trooper run, and the similar number of Bolland lifts on Anderson, which were also (presumably) "one-offs".

IIRC, the specific thing that enraged Mick, was Brett's cover for GW's 'Judgement Day' RPG scenario, which he felt was a fairly shameless swipe of Mick's iconic Cursed Earth cover…

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/-Ge006dwDYs/maxresdefault.jpg)

(http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/0/9116/328958-19752-125200-1-2000-a-d.jpg)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: positronic 17 April, 2017, 07:19:15 PM
If I read it right, Ewins argued that deadlines (& the need to emulate existing artists) led to the tracing incident, which he claimed was a one-off.

Apart from the innumerable swipes from Gibbons in his Rogue Trooper run, and the similar number of Bolland lifts on Anderson, which were also (presumably) "one-offs".

IIRC, the specific thing that enraged Mick, was Brett's cover for GW's 'Judgement Day' RPG scenario, which he felt was a fairly shameless swipe of Mick's iconic Cursed Earth cover…

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/-Ge006dwDYs/maxresdefault.jpg)

(http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/0/9116/328958-19752-125200-1-2000-a-d.jpg)

Well, this is another example where you don't know. I mean you don't know whether the art editor at Games Workshop just called up Brett Ewins and hired him because he WAS Brett Ewins, or maybe the art editor was really hoping to hire Mick McMahon but he wasn't available (too busy with 2000 AD assignments) or wasn't interested (not offered enough money). Or even if the art editor thought somehow (misunderstanding, or just ignorance?) he had hired the Judge Dredd artist who had drawn the cover of Prog 61, specifically because he wanted a cover for the Judgment Day module to look like the cover of Prog 61. We just don't know what the particular circumstances around that cover were, because sometimes "art direction" can be very much like "I was only following orders", and that's just exactly what the art editor ordered.

In essence, we can't really know whether Ewins was hired for the GW job and given an entirely free hand in choosing how to compose the cover for that module. In that respect, using an independently-contracted example of a swipe which falls outside the aegis of a normal 2000 AD publication, seems like not the best proof of guilt in and of itself. Its only value is if it can be persuasive as a particular egregious instance among many many others. I don't say those hypothetical "many" don't exist, but narrowing it down to just one (and one in which the genesis of the cover concept might be said to be outside the normal operations of 2000 AD editorial, and thus especially dubious) is far less persuasive than if the choice of layout and subject for the cover could be narrowed down to no other realistic possibility than the executor of the actual drawing. Sometimes, the actual job of work is to execute a swipe. That really does happen.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: positronic 17 April, 2017, 07:31:28 PM
If I read it right, Ewins argued that deadlines (& the need to emulate existing artists) led to the tracing incident, which he claimed was a one-off.

Apart from the innumerable swipes from Gibbons in his Rogue Trooper run, and the similar number of Bolland lifts on Anderson, which were also (presumably) "one-offs".

IIRC, the specific thing that enraged Mick, was Brett's cover for GW's 'Judgement Day' RPG scenario, which he felt was a fairly shameless swipe of Mick's iconic Cursed Earth cover…

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/-Ge006dwDYs/maxresdefault.jpg)

(http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/0/9116/328958-19752-125200-1-2000-a-d.jpg)

Well, this is another example where you don't know. I mean you don't know whether the art editor at Games Workshop just called up Brett Ewins and hired him because he WAS Brett Ewins, or maybe the art editor was really hoping to hire Mick McMahon but he wasn't available (too busy with 2000 AD assignments) or wasn't interested (not offered enough money). Or even if the art editor thought somehow (misunderstanding, or just ignorance?) he had hired the Judge Dredd artist who had drawn the cover of Prog 61, specifically because he wanted a cover for the Judgment Day module to look like the cover of Prog 61. We just don't know what the particular circumstances around that cover were, because sometimes "art direction" can be very much like "I was only following orders", and that's just exactly what the art editor ordered.

In essence, we can't really know whether Ewins was hired for the GW job and given an entirely free hand in choosing how to compose the cover for that module. In that respect, using an independently-contracted example of a swipe which falls outside the aegis of a normal 2000 AD publication, seems like not the best proof of guilt in and of itself. Its only value is if it can be persuasive as a particular egregious instance among many many others. I don't say those hypothetical "many" don't exist, but narrowing it down to just one (and one in which the genesis of the cover concept might be said to be outside the normal operations of 2000 AD editorial, and thus especially dubious) is far less persuasive than if the choice of layout and subject for the cover could be narrowed down to no other realistic possibility than the executor of the actual drawing. Sometimes, the actual job of work is to execute a swipe. That really does happen, and is not known to be uncommon in merchandising art.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Tony Angelino 17 April, 2017, 09:38:37 PM
I wasn't aware of that at all. Strangely Prog 61 is my favourite cover and I do have that RPG book but I don't remember ever looking at them and going "wait a minute".

I also wasn't aware of any alleged copying of Bolland and Gibbons work. Shows how observant I've been. Anyone have any examples of these?

To be fair to Brett Ewins he still did have a style distinctive from the others (in my eyes anyway). I have a vague memory of Alan Davis not being best pleased with some of Bryan Hitch's early work.   
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Jim_Campbell 17 April, 2017, 11:47:06 PM
Well, this is another example where you don't know. —SNIP—

Well, that really was an awful lot of words deployed in service of disagreeing with a point I didn't make.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: A.Cow 18 April, 2017, 12:57:30 AM
Well, this is another example where you don't know. —SNIP—
Well, that really was an awful lot of words deployed in service of disagreeing with a point I didn't make.

I read it as "you don't know" in the vernacular (i.e. "one doesn't know") rather than it being a personal reference.  Or have I misunderstood?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: TordelBack 18 April, 2017, 01:14:37 AM
I always find the "Brett the copyist" discussion fascinating, because that was his style. When I started reading 2000AD regularly, Ewins was the main man. His Rogue Trooper, his Dredd, his Anderson, his Dark Judges. I neither knew nor cared that  some of his figures  were heavily referenced or even exact copies of other artists' panels: it all looked like Ewins to me, and it all looked good. And I still feel that way: his chunky-tech heavy-black pages are bold and lively, and everything fits together, the borrowed bits and the new bits, all making for a good looking well-told strip. Even the re-using of blown up pixelated photocopies of his own work on Bad Company works within his scheme, actually becoming something interesting in its own right rather than a 'cheat'. A style born of necessity, but one that really works.

Incidentally, that Judgement Day cover not only graces one of the best RPG modules I ever played,  it's also a superb image, regardless of the Dredd being traced from McMahon: it's inked and coloured n such a way as to form the heart of a great new cover .  And it's also perhaps worth noting that all the interior illustrations, and all the interior art in the main boxed set, are reprinted panels from the comic: at least here we got something partly new. Stick an 'after McMahon' box in the corner and we're good.

I can of course see how that is/was irritating for the artists concerned, and what the wider issues are, but I can't feel that way myself. When i look at the work I just see good comics.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Jim_Campbell 18 April, 2017, 07:15:59 AM

I read it as "you don't know" in the vernacular (i.e. "one doesn't know") rather than it being a personal reference.  Or have I misunderstood?

The rest of the post was a discussion of things I didn't say. All I said was that Ewins had form for swiping, and that I'd read that Mick was particularly narked about that specific cover -- ISTR he didn't name Brett but said that an unnamed artist had got paid more for tracing a Dredd cover of his for Games Workshop than he'd been paid for doing it in the first place. Didn't require a huge amount of detective work from there.

FWIW, I owned Judgement Day, too, and I never clocked the swipe until it was mentioned. When you put the two side-by-side, however, it is pretty blatant.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: positronic 18 April, 2017, 08:57:31 AM
Well, this is another example where you don't know. —SNIP—
Well, that really was an awful lot of words deployed in service of disagreeing with a point I didn't make.

I read it as "you don't know" in the vernacular (i.e. "one doesn't know") rather than it being a personal reference.  Or have I misunderstood?

Yes, perhaps I should have said "nobody knows", but that's it. There's a basic inequality in trying to judge the motives behind the creation of a piece of Dredd merchandising art against what was normally being published in 2000 AD.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: ming 18 April, 2017, 09:55:23 AM
And then there's this...  I'd love to know how this one came about; swipe or no swipe it still remains one of my favourite Future Shocks.

This just came up in discussion on the FB art group... The classic Gary Rice / Brett Ewins Future Shock from Prog 206, 'The Last Man' bears a striking resemblance to a story published in Heavy Metal the very same month (April 1981).   As detailed in the blog linked to below, "'Good-bye, Soldier !', written by Ricardo Barreiro, with distinctive black and white art by Juan Giminez".

Anyone know whether this was printed in French earlier in Metal Hurlant?

(http://i.imgur.com/HNV18rf.jpg)

You can see the whole story via the link below; too similar to be a coincidence, although Brett's visuals for the ending are unbeatable...

http://theporporbooksblog.blogspot.no/2011/04/heavy-metal-magazine-april-1981-heavy.html
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Jim_Campbell 18 April, 2017, 10:04:01 AM
Yes, perhaps I should have said "nobody knows", but that's it. There's a basic inequality in trying to judge the motives behind the creation of a piece of Dredd merchandising art against what was normally being published in 2000 AD.

Again, I didn't say anything about motive, only that Ewins had previous form for swiping and that McMahon had expressed displeasure at the close similarities between his Dredd art and a piece of GW cover art by another artist. The only motive I'd speculate on in that scenario is, given his tireless experimentation and reinvention of his style, that Mick probably felt he'd have done a better job on a homage to his Prog 61 cover than another artist doing a fairly straight lift.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Eric Plumrose 18 April, 2017, 10:53:41 AM
If I read it right, Ewins argued that deadlines (& the need to emulate existing artists) led to the tracing incident, which he claimed was a one-off.

Apart from the innumerable swipes from Gibbons in his Rogue Trooper run, and the similar number of Bolland lifts on Anderson, which were also (presumably) "one-offs".

To clarify lest anyone misinterprifies, Brett said he swiped once-only from Mick not that he hadn't done so from other artists. From 2000 AD: THE CREATOR INTERVIEWS:

: Brett Ewins
There was one image that I did, as I was racing against time, where I used a Mike McMahon image -- I only did that once . . . But there are times I've had to lift an artist because otherwise there's not going to be anything on that page. So there's a couple of times I've had to trace stuff off, but literally there's only one time I've had to do that with Mick's work.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Jim_Campbell 18 April, 2017, 11:18:12 AM
To clarify lest anyone misinterprifies, Brett said he swiped once-only from Mick not that he hadn't done so from other artists. From 2000 AD: THE CREATOR INTERVIEWS:

Interesting. Thanks for that.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: positronic 18 April, 2017, 11:45:33 AM
Yes, perhaps I should have said "nobody knows", but that's it. There's a basic inequality in trying to judge the motives behind the creation of a piece of Dredd merchandising art against what was normally being published in 2000 AD.

Again, I didn't say anything about motive, only that Ewins had previous form for swiping and that McMahon had expressed displeasure at the close similarities between his Dredd art and a piece of GW cover art by another artist. The only motive I'd speculate on in that scenario is, given his tireless experimentation and reinvention of his style, that Mick probably felt he'd have done a better job on a homage to his Prog 61 cover than another artist doing a fairly straight lift.

No, you didn't mention motives. What I'm saying is that you/we/anyone shouldn't just assume that Ewins received NO specific directions  from Games Workshop prior to the execution of the final Judgement Day cover assignment illustration.

Possibilities include verbal instruction, visual references, etc. -- down to the point of Ewins potentially having executed the illustration based on a cover layout designed by someone else that was supplied to him, or even the possibility that he was specifically given or sent a copy of McMahon's cover for Prog 61, and directed to include that image of McMahon's Dredd on his Lawmaster.

A merchandising art assignment isn't directly comparable (if Ewins is being tried for the accusation of swiping) against a normal page of artwork Ewins might have drawn for a story published in 2000 AD, where I think we can fairly assume that the 2000 AD art director isn't micro-managing the details of composition on every story page. 2000 AD covers may be treated differently than interior pages in terms of how much they are art-directed.

Maybe I should just have lifted the URL of the actual image in your post, as opposed to simply quoting the entire thing. My comments weren't directed at you personally for what you said, I'm just raising the point because it seems like something people fail to consider when debating the guilt of "swiping".
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Eric Plumrose 18 April, 2017, 12:28:48 PM
I always find the "Brett the copyist" discussion fascinating, because that was his styleit all looked like Ewins to me, and it all looked good.

Yup. Unlike one art droid who still can't settle on whom he wants to be and once O'Rourked 1981-vintage-Mick's entire style, I don't think at any point I've ever looked at Brett's artwork and been unconvinced by him stylistically. It's also kinda fun picking out his swipes (there's at least two I can think of in 'The Case of the Urban Gorillas' from the 1981 2000 AD Annual).

Stick an 'after McMahon' box in the corner and we're good.

As Cliff did here:

(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTCjkkg5HZVVC3l8ecL0dbAM_CE_tRbmXzDRwU-mpH4dg1pwd_2)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JudgeJudi 22 April, 2017, 07:10:16 PM
On re-reading - I've just realised that the Dredd Strip 'Night of the Bloodbeast' (Prog. 138) features cameos from Digby (Dan Dare), The Spirit, E-Man and at least three other characters who are clearly meant to be someone but I don't know who...
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: positronic 23 April, 2017, 01:28:45 AM
On re-reading - I've just realised that the Dredd Strip 'Night of the Bloodbeast' (Prog. 138) features cameos from Digby (Dan Dare), The Spirit, E-Man and at least three other characters who are clearly meant to be someone but I don't know who...

E-Man? Now there's an unlikely cameo homage. I was reading another 2000 AD story the other day and almost thought I saw an homage to John Byrne's robot character ROG-2000 from Charlton Comics, but after looking more closely, I decided it was probably a simple coincidence of similar design. Obviously that wasn't the case in Prog 138, since several different characters appeared in cameo homages.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: positronic 23 April, 2017, 01:32:44 AM
I also just finished reading Judge Dredd: The Cape & Cowl Crimes, a collection of stories satirizing various popular superhero characters from other publishers.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JudgeJudi 23 April, 2017, 12:53:44 PM
On re-reading - I've just realised that the Dredd Strip 'Night of the Bloodbeast' (Prog. 138) features cameos from Digby (Dan Dare), The Spirit, E-Man and at least three other characters who are clearly meant to be someone but I don't know who...

E-Man? Now there's an unlikely cameo homage. I was reading another 2000 AD story the other day and almost thought I saw an homage to John Byrne's robot character ROG-2000 from Charlton Comics, but after looking more closely, I decided it was probably a simple coincidence of similar design. Obviously that wasn't the case in Prog 138, since several different characters appeared in cameo homages.

I wonder who the man at back left is intended to be and the woman?

http://imgur.com/a/oEOIr

(Cannot work out how to embed?)

: Re: Things that went over your head...
: positronic 23 April, 2017, 02:36:21 PM
On re-reading - I've just realised that the Dredd Strip 'Night of the Bloodbeast' (Prog. 138) features cameos from Digby (Dan Dare), The Spirit, E-Man and at least three other characters who are clearly meant to be someone but I don't know who...

E-Man? Now there's an unlikely cameo homage. I was reading another 2000 AD story the other day and almost thought I saw an homage to John Byrne's robot character ROG-2000 from Charlton Comics, but after looking more closely, I decided it was probably a simple coincidence of similar design. Obviously that wasn't the case in Prog 138, since several different characters appeared in cameo homages.

I wonder who the man at back left is intended to be and the woman?

(http://i.imgur.com/d71FOv0.png)

(Cannot work out how to embed?)

Unless the spear is significant in some way, I'd be inclined to say the man looks like he's wearing glasses (or has bags under his eyes), and possibly has a mustache. This seems more likely to be an editor, writer, or artist for 2000 AD, but I have no idea who it might be. Anyone want to take a guess?

As for the woman, I'm still trying to figure out exactly what she's wearing on her head. Seems like she must be a comics character, but nary as clue as to which one.

How to embed:
1. apparently links to imgur site are not allowed
2. workaround for #1: right-click on image on imgur page, choose Open in New Tab
3. copy URL from address bar in tab (your image by itself) you just opened in #2
4. in your reply, paste image URL (should end in .jpg, .gif, or .png) where you want it to appear in post, then highlight
5. click on [img] icon = box on far left, 2nd row, right above row of smileys
6. click on Preview before actually posting it, to make sure you got it right
7. should work, but feel free to ask if it doesn't
8. I already did it for you in quoting your post above, but test it yourself just to make sure you know how to do it.

: Re: Things that went over your head...
: positronic 23 April, 2017, 02:44:30 PM
@judgejudi -
One more to add:
9. right-click on any image you find on web, choose "Copy image address" to copy URL, then as above from #4.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Spikes 23 April, 2017, 02:46:17 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/d71FOv0.png)

Durham Red?  ;)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: TordelBack 23 April, 2017, 03:02:35 PM
I'd have said the guy at the back left was John Belushi. The girl, I dunno, she has an early Alex Raymond vibe... Dale Arden, Jane?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: positronic 23 April, 2017, 03:08:09 PM
I can rule out Dale Arden for you. Jane (from the British comic strip, right?) wasn't a costumed character, AFAIK. I really can't make out that unique headgear she's sporting in that drawing. The shoulder-length gloves should offer some clue though, I would think.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Lobo Baggins 23 April, 2017, 03:09:17 PM
Unless the spear is significant in some way, I'd be inclined to say the man looks like he's wearing glasses (or has bags under his eyes), and possibly has a mustache. This seems more likely to be an editor, writer, or artist for 2000 AD, but I have no idea who it might be. Anyone want to take a guess?

Looks a bit like John Wagner...

As for the woman, I'm still trying to figure out exactly what she's wearing on her head. Seems like she must be a comics character, but nary as clue as to which one.

She's wearing a pillbox hat with a veil (the picture is a lot clearer in the original prog), so I'm guessing she's a femme fatale from The Spirit.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: positronic 23 April, 2017, 03:19:35 PM
Unless the spear is significant in some way, I'd be inclined to say the man looks like he's wearing glasses (or has bags under his eyes), and possibly has a mustache. This seems more likely to be an editor, writer, or artist for 2000 AD, but I have no idea who it might be. Anyone want to take a guess?

Looks a bit like John Wagner...

As for the woman, I'm still trying to figure out exactly what she's wearing on her head. Seems like she must be a comics character, but nary as clue as to which one.

She's wearing a pillbox hat with a veil (the picture is a lot clearer in the original prog), so I'm guessing she's a femme fatale from The Spirit.

Hmm. Doesn't look like any of the familiar Spirit femmes fatale to me.

Now that I'm staring at the man, I wonder if that spear is his...? If that's the case, then he's almost certainly holding that spear, which would seem to bust my theory that the drawing was of some artist, writer or editor for 2000 AD. But then this wild idea just shot into my head, a vague recollection of some Euro comic character strip called (appropriately enough) ... "THE MAN", which was a long-running thing about a caveman or neanderthal's typical daily adventures. Ring any bells with anyone? It's kind of hard to use in a search engine...
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: The Legendary Shark 23 April, 2017, 03:30:25 PM
This? (http://comixjoint.com/man-2nd.html)

: Re: Things that went over your head...
: positronic 23 April, 2017, 04:34:11 PM
This? (http://comixjoint.com/man-2nd.html)

Not Bode's. This was another Man, less cartoonish (not Alley Oop, either). I can't recall the actual country of origin, possibly Spain, or somewhere in South America... never mind the artist's name.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Tony Angelino 23 April, 2017, 04:50:41 PM
The only caveman character I can think of is Tor which was a Joe Kubert creation. I don't think that's him though and I'm inclined to agree its likely a 2000AD celebrity. The way he is just looking forward at the reader. I've never seen Garry Leach so I'm just wondering if its him?

I think the female is likely a Spirit character as her arm is locked with his.

No idea about the spear though.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JudgeJudi 23 April, 2017, 09:36:39 PM
Something else I missed first time around - all the on-going talk about Dredd's age - Bizmo Klux (the Radbeast from Night of the Radbeast) is a springly 134 when they throw him in the pit... (born July 12th 1971).
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: sheridan 23 April, 2017, 11:50:03 PM
Something else I missed first time around - all the on-going talk about Dredd's age - Bizmo Klux (the Radbeast from Night of the Radbeast) is a springly 134 when they throw him in the pit... (born July 12th 1971).

Yes, I remember thinking when I first read it that the Biz was a little bit older than me (or will be, in 2104).
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: positronic 24 April, 2017, 08:24:59 AM
I just read a story in the 2000 AD's Greatest: Celebrating 40 Years collection where Kevin O'Neill appears as a character (who turns out to be the perp in this Dredd story). Can't remember the title or the Prog, but in the story O'Neill tries to sell Dredd a Dream Machine (which is like some kind of holographic TV that projects virtual fantasies). His name is mentioned several times in the story, so it isn't like one of those cameo background characters named after one of the 2000 AD staff or creator-droids.

In the plot of the story O'Neill is a really a disgruntled ex-employee of the company selling the dream machines, and O'Neill is going around as a (unauthorized) door-to-door salesman so that he can sneak into the conapts of the company's higher-ups and off them. It's one of the early Progs, because Dredd's in his apartment, and his housekeeper Maria and Walter the Wobot are there. The art wasn't by O'Neill but drawn by Carlos Ezquerra. I don't know if Ezquerra drew O'Neill as an actual caricature of his likeness.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: A.Cow 24 April, 2017, 08:52:11 AM
I've never seen Garry Leach so I'm just wondering if its him?

That was my initial thought too, especially after finding a photo (http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/0/9241/691694-03_x_force_05.jpg) of him (making presumptions about what he might look like younger).  However, it would not explain the spear.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: TordelBack 24 April, 2017, 09:24:30 AM
I've never seen Garry Leach so I'm just wondering if its him?

That was my initial thought too, especially after finding a photo (http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/0/9241/691694-03_x_force_05.jpg) of him (making presumptions about what he might look like younger).  However, it would not explain the spear.

A visual theatrical pun on being a background extra?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: norton canes 24 April, 2017, 09:32:07 AM
I just read a story in the 2000 AD's Greatest: Celebrating 40 Years collection where Kevin O'Neill appears as a character (who turns out to be the perp in this Dredd story). Can't remember the title or the Prog, but in the story O'Neill tries to sell Dredd a Dream Machine (which is like some kind of holographic TV that projects virtual fantasies). His name is mentioned several times in the story, so it isn't like one of those cameo background characters named after one of the 2000 AD staff or creator-droids.

In the plot of the story O'Neill is a really a disgruntled ex-employee of the company selling the dream machines, and O'Neill is going around as a (unauthorized) door-to-door salesman so that he can sneak into the conapts of the company's higher-ups and off them. It's one of the early Progs, because Dredd's in his apartment, and his housekeeper Maria and Walter the Wobot are there. The art wasn't by O'Neill but drawn by Carlos Ezquerra. I don't know if Ezquerra drew O'Neill as an actual caricature of his likeness.

It's 'Krong' from prog 5, isn't it?

(https://mydreddfulyear.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/prog-05.jpg)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: positronic 24 April, 2017, 10:02:59 AM
I just read a story in the 2000 AD's Greatest: Celebrating 40 Years collection where Kevin O'Neill appears as a character (who turns out to be the perp in this Dredd story). Can't remember the title or the Prog, but in the story O'Neill tries to sell Dredd a Dream Machine (which is like some kind of holographic TV that projects virtual fantasies). His name is mentioned several times in the story, so it isn't like one of those cameo background characters named after one of the 2000 AD staff or creator-droids.

In the plot of the story O'Neill is a really a disgruntled ex-employee of the company selling the dream machines, and O'Neill is going around as a (unauthorized) door-to-door salesman so that he can sneak into the conapts of the company's higher-ups and off them. It's one of the early Progs, because Dredd's in his apartment, and his housekeeper Maria and Walter the Wobot are there. The art wasn't by O'Neill but drawn by Carlos Ezquerra. I don't know if Ezquerra drew O'Neill as an actual caricature of his likeness.

It's 'Krong' from prog 5, isn't it?

(https://mydreddfulyear.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/prog-05.jpg)

Yes, that's the one. Funny that I forgot the reveal at the end about citizen O'Neill originally being the creator of SFX robot monsters (Dino DeLaurentis' KING KONG remake was in theaters at about the time that prog was published), and the reason he wanted revenge on the dream machine company execs was that feelgood holotech fantasies ruined the market for monster movies!

I don't know if anyone can say whether or not Ezquerra actually caricatured the 2000 AD artist's likeness there. I've never seen any pictures of Kevin O'Neill from the late 1970s, so I don't know what he looked like then.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: positronic 24 April, 2017, 10:10:14 AM
Oh, and I think prog 5 is Carlos' actual first published Dredd too, isn't it? The very first Dredd story he drew wasn't published until later, right?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Lobo Baggins 24 April, 2017, 12:30:39 PM
I don't know if anyone can say whether or not Ezquerra actually caricatured the 2000 AD artist's likeness there. I've never seen any pictures of Kevin O'Neill from the late 1970s, so I don't know what he looked like then.

According to Dave Gibbons on the Face Book recently, Kevin O'Neill played the part of 'the Office Junior' (presumably, Billy Preston) in the Big E photostories in Tornado, but I seem to recall either O'Neill or Ezquerra saying that they'd never actually met at the time Krong was being drawn so the O'Neill character looked nothing like O'Neill the Art Bodger.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Dash Decent 24 April, 2017, 01:03:19 PM
Looks a bit like John Wagner...

That was my first thought too.

There seems to be someone behind the Spirit's lady friend (you can see something between her and Dredd), so perhaps that person is the spear-bearer?

: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Lobo Baggins 24 April, 2017, 02:06:26 PM
Other characters at the party include -

(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o320/Lobo_Baggins/Party01_zps4fprxhqy.jpg) (http://s123.photobucket.com/user/Lobo_Baggins/media/Party01_zps4fprxhqy.jpg.html)

Biffo the Bear from the Beano, possible Peter Pan with vuvuzela, Howard the Duck, Starzan from Wally Wood's Sally Forth and Popeye.

(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o320/Lobo_Baggins/Party%2002_zpsfvzckwsn.jpg) (http://s123.photobucket.com/user/Lobo_Baggins/media/Party%2002_zpsfvzckwsn.jpg.html)

Stan Laurel

(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o320/Lobo_Baggins/Party%2003_zps8krwc9oz.jpg) (http://s123.photobucket.com/user/Lobo_Baggins/media/Party%2003_zps8krwc9oz.jpg.html)

Little Bo Peep (plus sheep).
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Lobo Baggins 24 April, 2017, 02:12:30 PM
And a better scan of the final scene (although it still doesn't help)...

(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o320/Lobo_Baggins/Party%2004_zps7jl38kdh.jpg) (http://s123.photobucket.com/user/Lobo_Baggins/media/Party%2004_zps7jl38kdh.jpg.html)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: positronic 24 April, 2017, 02:35:59 PM
Biffo the Bear from the Beano, possible Peter Pan with vuvuzela, Howard the Duck, Starzan from Wally Wood's Sally Forth and Popeye.

Wow, that's awfully specific. I would just have guessed Tarzan. Was that quoted from somewhere?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JudgeJudi 27 April, 2017, 09:17:09 PM
Prog. 437's "something abnormal about norman" features Judges Amos and Andy (who seem to either be twins or clones).
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JudgeJudi 30 April, 2017, 08:59:51 PM
How did I miss first time around reading Judgement Day:

Judge Bruce is Lenny Bruce...

That Sabbat is a parody of the Dennis the Menace character Soppy Walter and even worse I missed that Dennis turns up himself!
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Jim_Campbell 01 May, 2017, 12:06:39 AM
That Sabbat is a parody of the Dennis the Menace character Soppy Walter and even worse I missed that Dennis turns up himself!

Sabbath is the most piss-poor excuse for a major Dredd villain ever conceived, and Judgement Day was the worst 'epic' until Helter Skelter… and I include Inferno in that assessment.* I quite liked some of Ennis' shorter Dredds, but his extended storylines bear no kind of scrutiny at all.

*All right, maybe the Egyptian thing deserves the real turkey award, but still…!
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: positronic 01 May, 2017, 06:53:36 AM
How did I miss first time around reading Judgement Day:

Judge Bruce is Lenny Bruce...

That Sabbat is a parody of the Dennis the Menace character Soppy Walter and even worse I missed that Dennis turns up himself!

But an Aussie version of Lenny Bruce? I can see where I'd miss that; I'd just assumed it was perhaps a common surname in Australia. At any rate, he doesn't get much on-panel time in Judgment Day, but perhaps you're thinking of OZ.

It's easy to see where I'd not recognize the Sabbat thing, since the only Dennis the Menace I'm familiar with is the American comic panel (later a long-running comic book) created by Hank Ketcham, and the other Dennis appeared in The Beano, which I've never read.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: positronic 01 May, 2017, 07:01:50 AM
Judgement Day was the worst 'epic' until Helter Skelter… and I include Inferno in that assessment.* I quite liked some of Ennis' shorter Dredds, but his extended storylines bear no kind of scrutiny at all.

Would the shorter ones you're referring to be included in the Dredd Garth Ennis Collection TP? I have that, but was putting off reading it after reading Judgment Day, which seemed more of a by-the-numbers sort of account of epic-scale mass destruction like you'd find in a typical Marvel crossover story -- but it definitely doesn't help that the villain can't really be taken seriously. Dredd's character is more or less reduced to assuming command of the crisis and barking orders like a drill sergeant.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: sheridan 01 May, 2017, 09:04:12 AM
How did I miss first time around reading Judgement Day:

Judge Bruce is Lenny Bruce...

That Sabbat is a parody of the Dennis the Menace character Soppy Walter and even worse I missed that Dennis turns up himself!

But an Aussie version of Lenny Bruce? I can see where I'd miss that; I'd just assumed it was perhaps a common surname in Australia. At any rate, he doesn't get much on-panel time in Judgment Day, but perhaps you're thinking of OZ.

It's easy to see where I'd not recognize the Sabbat thing, since the only Dennis the Menace I'm familiar with is the American comic panel (later a long-running comic book) created by Hank Ketcham, and the other Dennis appeared in The Beano, which I've never read.

Interesting fact about the two Dennises - they were both published for the first time, completely independently, on the exact same day: 12 March 1951.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JudgeJudi 01 May, 2017, 09:15:17 AM

At any rate, he doesn't get much on-panel time in Judgment Day, but perhaps you're thinking of OZ.


If I was thinking of OZ, I'd mention OZ.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: positronic 01 May, 2017, 10:09:37 AM

At any rate, he doesn't get much on-panel time in Judgment Day, but perhaps you're thinking of OZ.


If I was thinking of OZ, I'd mention OZ.

Well, I meant specifically relative to Judge Bruce being an homage to Lenny Bruce. I read Judgment Day, but given Judge Bruce's not-large speaking role in that, even after you point it out, I'm still having a hard time recognizing the homage to Lenny Bruce.

I thought you meant that the homage/parody (other than just the name) was evident in terms of character dialogue, since the Judge uniform would obscure any physical resemblance of Judge Bruce to Lenny Bruce, especially in Judgment Day where he's mostly seen towards the end of the story in that Samurai Ground Attack Armor, so I assumed the homage was more recognizable through characterization in his earlier appearances. Or maybe there was just some bit of Judge Bruce's dialogue in that which escaped me.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Tony Angelino 01 May, 2017, 12:36:48 PM
I don't think the 'homage' goes past the name. I couldn't tell there being any other similarity between Judge Bruce and Lenny Bruce.

The name Bruce is associated to Australia, which is probably how the original writers gave the character that name, but even then its more as a forename.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: positronic 01 May, 2017, 02:05:47 PM
I don't think the 'homage' goes past the name. I couldn't tell there being any other similarity between Judge Bruce and Lenny Bruce.

The name Bruce is associated to Australia, which is probably how the original writers gave the character that name, but even then its more as a forename.

Okay, I've just paged through Judgment Day now, and I see the reference JudgeJudi is referring to -- it's on page 99 of the print collection, where Judge Charlie Joyce calls Judge Bruce "Lenny". I wasn't getting what she was saying at first, because if it was just the name, then didn't Judge Bruce already exist before Judgment Day? -- But I gather then that Judgment Day is where Judge Bruce -- who was not originally created to be an homage/parody to American comedian Lenny Bruce -- became an homage to Lenny Bruce, when Garth Ennis supplied Judge Bruce with a first name, which he'd never had before that. Pardon my confusion, JudgeJudi.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Eric Plumrose 01 May, 2017, 04:40:04 PM
Haven't read 'Judgement Day' and it's been an age since I flicked through 'Oz' but doesn't giving Judge Bruce a 'first' name kind of miss the point? In that 'Bruce' is his first name? What with the Oz Judges being far more laid-back, they're all referred to by their givens!

Or is that something that should have gone over my head?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Robin Low 01 May, 2017, 05:15:21 PM
How did I miss first time around reading Judgement Day:

Judge Bruce is Lenny Bruce...

That Sabbat is a parody of the Dennis the Menace character Soppy Walter and even worse I missed that Dennis turns up himself!

But an Aussie version of Lenny Bruce? I can see where I'd miss that; I'd just assumed it was perhaps a common surname in Australia. At any rate, he doesn't get much on-panel time in Judgment Day, but perhaps you're thinking of OZ.

This may be a case of something going over Garth Ennis' head...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyVX3uJpqxc

...or more likely he just didn't care.

Regards,

Robin
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: positronic 01 May, 2017, 09:40:27 PM
Haven't read 'Judgement Day' and it's been an age since I flicked through 'Oz' but doesn't giving Judge Bruce a 'first' name kind of miss the point? In that 'Bruce' is his first name? What with the Oz Judges being far more laid-back, they're all referred to by their givens!

Or is that something that should have gone over my head?

It seems there should be some consistency, but what are the other Oz Judges' names?

Let's not forget that this has been a point of confusion ever since Judge Rico (who technically, should also have been Judge Dredd).
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: positronic 01 May, 2017, 09:53:19 PM
How did I miss first time around reading Judgement Day:

Judge Bruce is Lenny Bruce...

That Sabbat is a parody of the Dennis the Menace character Soppy Walter and even worse I missed that Dennis turns up himself!

But an Aussie version of Lenny Bruce? I can see where I'd miss that; I'd just assumed it was perhaps a common surname in Australia. At any rate, he doesn't get much on-panel time in Judgment Day, but perhaps you're thinking of OZ.

This may be a case of something going over Garth Ennis' head...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyVX3uJpqxc

...or more likely he just didn't care.

Regards,

Robin

It's likely something much more obvious when reading Oz or Chopper than Judgment Day, where Bruce is out of his element. (Hard to be laid-back about voting to nuke those other five Mega-Cities, too...)

But yes, Monty Python. Garth Ennis really should have known that, unless he's much younger than I think he is... but maybe we can use the excuse that Lenny is his last name. Judge Bruce Lenny. "Lenny" is a single word in a dialogue balloon uttered by Judge Joyce of Murphytown. (Personally I'd have voted for his first and last name being the same -- Judge Bruce Bruce.)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: A.Cow 02 May, 2017, 01:08:56 AM
Let's not forget that this has been a point of confusion ever since Judge Rico (who technically, should also have been Judge Dredd).

I've always presumed that Judge names work the same way as South American footballers: some use surnames, some use nicknames, and a few use first names.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: TordelBack 02 May, 2017, 02:04:55 AM
We've also seen this issue explored: when Rico II shows up in MC2 he too is a Cadet Dredd, but elects to take 'Rico' to avoid confusion (and give his clone-uncle another shake). Presumably a similar decision was made before: two identical Judge Dredds is asking for trouble.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: The Legendary Shark 02 May, 2017, 06:25:15 AM
There must be more than one Judge Smith or Judge Jones - I always wondered how Justice Department dealt with that. Maybe they get a number as well, like the Welsh soldiers in Zulu (eg., 347 Jones), or maybe they use first or nicknames as already suggested. My favourite idea is that their badges contain some kind of bluetooth identifying transmitter thingummies.

: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Woolly 02 May, 2017, 08:37:04 AM
My favourite idea is that their badges contain some kind of bluetooth identifying transmitter thingummies.

Don't the badges also contain a small explosive charge, or did I dream that?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Steve Green 02 May, 2017, 08:52:51 AM
Belt buckle does.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Hawkmumbler 02 May, 2017, 09:02:43 AM
There must be more than one Judge Smith or Judge Jones - I always wondered how Justice Department dealt with that. Maybe they get a number as well, like the Welsh soldiers in Zulu (eg., 347 Jones), or maybe they use first or nicknames as already suggested. My favourite idea is that their badges contain some kind of bluetooth identifying transmitter thingummies.

First names possibly? Frank can't be the only Judge to have his forename on his badge.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: The Legendary Shark 02 May, 2017, 10:32:17 AM
Maybe first name then initials, SMITH, JF.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Theblazeuk 02 May, 2017, 10:47:15 AM
I think you'll find Judge Frank's first name is Dirty.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 02 May, 2017, 02:07:52 PM
It never occurred to me that Bruce was his first name. The only other named Oz judge i remember was Chief Judge Bob, though, so it kind of makes sense - or did, at least, till the Lenny bit was added.

What also went over my head, of course, was that Bob was inspired by Bob Hawke.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: I, Cosh 02 May, 2017, 02:46:54 PM
Am I missing something or is there a bit of overthinking going on here?

Oz. Judge Bruce is a throwaway joke by the writers based on national stereotypes and it being funny to have a forename for a surname.

Judgement Day. "Alright, Lenny?" is a throwaway joke by the character based on the writer's youthful belief in the superiority of his own tastes in popular culture, in this case heavily influenced by Bill Hicks. It's not saying that's the judge's actual name.

It's the same as me being introduced to someone called Mr Marx and saying "Alright, Harpo?"
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: sheridan 02 May, 2017, 02:51:48 PM
Am I missing something or is there a bit of overthinking going on here?

Oz. Judge Bruce is a throwaway joke by the writers based on national stereotypes and it being funny to have a forename for a surname.

Judgement Day. "Alright, Lenny?" is a throwaway joke by the character based on the writer's youthful belief in the superiority of his own tastes in popular culture, in this case heavily influenced by Bill Hicks. It's not saying that's the judge's actual name.

It's the same as me being introduced to someone called Mr Marx and saying "Alright, Harpo?"

My thought was that the Judgement Day line was a throwaway line, as you say (though I've not read the panels in question in some time).
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: TordelBack 02 May, 2017, 03:52:43 PM
Am I missing something or is there a bit of overthinking going on here?

From the strip that brought you: Barbara Hershey; Stan Lee; Judges Fuego, Coppit, Fodder, "Cal", and Solomon, to name but a few?  Shirley not!
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Fungus 02 May, 2017, 04:51:25 PM
Cosh is correct...
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: M.I.K. 02 May, 2017, 08:31:43 PM
I once knew someone who had the nickname Tooky because his first name was Barry.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Eric Plumrose 02 May, 2017, 09:51:36 PM
Cosh is correct...

While I would contend that 'Bruce' is a not unusual surname and that any humour derived from it being used as such is in itself an example of overthinking . . . fair dinkum!
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: positronic 03 May, 2017, 02:42:51 AM
We've also seen this issue explored: when Rico II shows up in MC2 he too is a Cadet Dredd, but elects to take 'Rico' to avoid confusion (and give his clone-uncle another shake). Presumably a similar decision was made before: two identical Judge Dredds is asking for trouble.

An excellent point, although it does makes you wonder why they both wouldn't identified by their first names, since they were cloned and entered the academy at the same time. While they're both clones of Fargo, yet not named Fargo, wouldn't it have been easier to just give them both different surnames?

Still, when you think about it, there must be a lot of Judges who have the same last names (not necessarily related to each other), in a city as large as the Big Meg?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JOE SOAP 03 May, 2017, 02:58:50 AM
Let's not forget that this has been a point of confusion ever since Judge Rico (who technically, should also have been Judge Dredd).

He was, originally.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b6/Rico2.jpg)

: Re: Things that went over your head...
: positronic 03 May, 2017, 03:42:04 AM
Let's not forget that this has been a point of confusion ever since Judge Rico (who technically, should also have been Judge Dredd).

He was, originally.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b6/Rico2.jpg)

Yet there are also flashback sequences that show him with a badge that reads RICO, so someone chose to retcon that appearance in subsequent flashbacks. The original panel makes more sense, so why they didn't leave it that way... is probably what TordelBack says, that it would be too confusing having 2 Judge Dredds who look identical (until Rico's incarceration on Titan).

Hindsight is 20/20, but they could have avoided those problems by just giving both of Judge Fargo's clones different last names.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: positronic 03 May, 2017, 03:56:59 AM
Am I missing something or is there a bit of overthinking going on here?

Oz. Judge Bruce is a throwaway joke by the writers based on national stereotypes and it being funny to have a forename for a surname.

Judgement Day. "Alright, Lenny?" is a throwaway joke by the character based on the writer's youthful belief in the superiority of his own tastes in popular culture, in this case heavily influenced by Bill Hicks. It's not saying that's the judge's actual name.

It's the same as me being introduced to someone called Mr Marx and saying "Alright, Harpo?"

My thought was that the Judgement Day line was a throwaway line, as you say (though I've not read the panels in question in some time).

The single panel is on page 99 of the trade paperback. After a brief snippet of conversation between Judge Bruce and Judge Joyce, as they're parting, Judge Bruce looks at Judge Joyce and says "Charlie.", and Judge Joyce looks back at Judge Bruce and says "Lenny." That's the whole thing.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 03 May, 2017, 12:29:59 PM

Judgement Day. "Alright, Lenny?" is a throwaway joke by the character based on the writer's youthful belief in the superiority of his own tastes in popular culture, in this case heavily influenced by Bill Hicks.

Young Garth Ennis?  Forcing his pop culture tastes down the reader's throat? Surely not...


The single panel is on page 99 of the trade paperback. After a brief snippet of conversation between Judge Bruce and Judge Joyce, as they're parting, Judge Bruce looks at Judge Joyce and says "Charlie.", and Judge Joyce looks back at Judge Bruce and says "Lenny." That's the whole thing.

I remember it being something more like 'Heh! Nice one, Charlie.' 'Alright, Lenny. I'm just off to the jacks.'
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: sheridan 03 May, 2017, 01:03:20 PM
We've also seen this issue explored: when Rico II shows up in MC2 he too is a Cadet Dredd, but elects to take 'Rico' to avoid confusion (and give his clone-uncle another shake). Presumably a similar decision was made before: two identical Judge Dredds is asking for trouble.

An excellent point, although it does makes you wonder why they both wouldn't identified by their first names, since they were cloned and entered the academy at the same time. While they're both clones of Fargo, yet not named Fargo, wouldn't it have been easier to just give them both different surnames?

Still, when you think about it, there must be a lot of Judges who have the same last names (not necessarily related to each other), in a city as large as the Big Meg?

Judge Baker was the first victim of the Solar Sniper in 2099.

A different Judge Baker was also a judge reported to the Council of Judges by Judge-Tutor Schwartz for corrupting cadets about twenty years later...
: Things that went over your head...
: JudgeJudi 03 May, 2017, 08:06:43 PM
So I wonder if there are multiple Judge Cody's* clones out there also with naming confusing (I seem to remember an annual claiming about a third of the judges were clones)?

* I think it was Cody....

: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JOE SOAP 03 May, 2017, 09:49:22 PM
Yet there are also flashback sequences that show him with a badge that reads RICO, so someone chose to retcon that appearance in subsequent flashbacks. The original panel makes more sense, so why they didn't leave it that way... is probably what TordelBack says, that it would be too confusing having 2 Judge Dredds who look identical (until Rico's incarceration on Titan).

Hindsight is 20/20, but they could have avoided those problems by just giving both of Judge Fargo's clones different last names.

Of course, but no one thought there'd be lots of debatin' a 'one-off' comic character's name 4 weeks, let alone 40 years, after he met his contemporaneous end.

: Re: Things that went over your head...
: positronic 04 May, 2017, 12:47:53 AM
Yet there are also flashback sequences that show him with a badge that reads RICO, so someone chose to retcon that appearance in subsequent flashbacks. The original panel makes more sense, so why they didn't leave it that way... is probably what TordelBack says, that it would be too confusing having 2 Judge Dredds who look identical (until Rico's incarceration on Titan).

Hindsight is 20/20, but they could have avoided those problems by just giving both of Judge Fargo's clones different last names.

Of course, but no one thought there'd be lots of debatin' a 'one-off' comic character's name 4 weeks, let alone 40 years, after he met his contemporaneous end.

I read that it was written as a quick fill-in story (Progs 29-30 being all Mills wrote of Dredd until the longer Cursed Earth saga from Progs 61-70, 81-85), so obviously no thought was given to the lasting ramifications, never mind that it would become a cornerstone of the Dredd mythos. This being the very first hint we get of Dredd's origins, though, maybe it ought to have been more foreseeable.

I've wondered if Pat Mills might have gotten the idea from Rich Man, Poor Man, which would have still been fresh in people's minds at that time.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: positronic 04 May, 2017, 12:59:31 AM
I must admit you have to adjust that perception a little when you consider that as of Prog 30, Dredd might still be being viewed as of less significance to 2000 AD than say, M.A.C.H. 1 or Dan Dare.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JOE SOAP 04 May, 2017, 01:00:30 AM

I read that it was written as a quick fill-in story (Progs 29-30 being all Mills wrote of Dredd until the longer Cursed Earth saga from Progs 61-70, 81-85), so obviously no thought was given to the lasting ramifications, never mind that it would become a cornerstone of the Dredd mythos. This being the very first hint we get of Dredd's origins, though, maybe it ought to have been more foreseeable.


Comics rarely lasted more than 5 years so it was all rather fluid – Dredd almost had an ex-girlfriend (https://books.google.ie/books?id=ReEQDQAAQBAJ&pg=PT79&lpg=PT79&dq=dredd%27s+girlfriend+blood+of+satanus&source=bl&ots=0z_CcI1vfr&sig=1UdD8UAHqYyhb4CZgk80_Qm1enY&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjEnJCL9tTTAhVKCsAKHagdDlIQ6AEINjAD#v=onepage&q=dredd's%20girlfriend%20blood%20of%20satanus&f=false).
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Tony Angelino 08 May, 2017, 05:11:11 PM
Someone might have pointed this out before but I was reading the Wally Squad story from 1984 (Wagner/Grant/Ewins) in the Mega Collection recently and noticed that the two undercover Judges surnames are Pino and Shea.

I don't know whether this is some play on Pinochet, the former ruler of Chile, or just a coincidence.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: positronic 08 May, 2017, 08:30:08 PM

I read that it was written as a quick fill-in story (Progs 29-30 being all Mills wrote of Dredd until the longer Cursed Earth saga from Progs 61-70, 81-85), so obviously no thought was given to the lasting ramifications, never mind that it would become a cornerstone of the Dredd mythos. This being the very first hint we get of Dredd's origins, though, maybe it ought to have been more foreseeable.


Comics rarely lasted more than 5 years so it was all rather fluid – Dredd almost had an ex-girlfriend (https://books.google.ie/books?id=ReEQDQAAQBAJ&pg=PT79&lpg=PT79&dq=dredd%27s+girlfriend+blood+of+satanus&source=bl&ots=0z_CcI1vfr&sig=1UdD8UAHqYyhb4CZgk80_Qm1enY&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjEnJCL9tTTAhVKCsAKHagdDlIQ6AEINjAD#v=onepage&q=dredd's%20girlfriend%20blood%20of%20satanus&f=false).

Well, nominally 2000 AD was a part of the boys' comic group of IPC, and past standards held that boys outgrew the comic-reading habit after a few years. That was the common wisdom, but they were proven wrong by people like us, and by the types of editors and creators working for comics like 2000 AD, or a symbiosis of those two things.

That said, a lot of the older strips are based on action-adventure fantasy premises that don't really bear close scrutiny in terms of realism. There's a kind of tension between the older-style treatment of Dredd as almost inhuman or superhuman, to the more modern approach of wanting to deal in a thoughtful way with real-world concerns for a older audience, and have an interesting depth of characterization. As it happens, I just read the trade collection Mutants in Mega-City One, and you couldn't ask for a better study in contrasts between the older and newer Dredd stories in it, and how they treat not only the mutant characters, but the sea-change in attitudes in Dredd in the intervening years.

Of course, what's not alluded to at all in the trade paperback is what came in-between the mostly-older reprints in the first half of the book (and aside from just a couple of stories in the first half, they aren't mostly what you would call "gems"). The second half, representing the book's title story, mostly tells one long tale (in the aftermath of Origins), where Dredd has discovered his mutant "cousins", descendants of Eustace Fargo's twin brother, now low-level mutants living in the Cursed Earth. It's a very good, and very powerful story, another feather in John Wagner's cap, as are the follow-on stories which carry on the main thread (how I wish the entire book had been stories from this particular run!)

And yet the story raised so many questions in my mind about what would happen if Dredd would apply the same philosophical/ethical/moral questioning to many of the laws he's enforcing on a daily basis (and a certain percentage of other judges could be expected to follow suit) regarding The Law vs. true Justice, that I realized that sort of realism carried to its logical conclusion would ultimately completely undermine the basic fantasy premise that the Judge System is based on.

It also raised a whole host of questions about Dredd himself -- where is his conscience/ethics/morality coming from, if he's entirely a product of institutional conditioning from birth to adulthood? Did they teach him to question the law and higher authority at the academy?? Dredd (and Rico) had no parents, no leisure time, no hobbies or interests, almost zero freedom of choice compared to any normal person, NO social or emotional ties to anyone outside of the justice system, and they'd both been raised entirely as a tools of the state, with the sole purpose to preserve that state, as part of an experiment.

Knowing how differently Joe and Rico turned out, even though they were both genetically identical, and also both subject to the exact same influences of indoctrination from birth, turns the whole "nature or nurture" conundrum of psychiatry and sociology on its head. It makes me think there's got to be a huge past continuity story waiting to be told somewhere explaining just how it is that the two turned out so differently -- when you stop to consider that they originally fit the old expression "like two peas in a pod" more closely than any two individuals (even identical twins) EVER have in the real world.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Greg M. 08 May, 2017, 08:36:28 PM
It makes me think there's got to be a huge past continuity story waiting to be told somewhere explaining just how it is that the two turned out so differently

It's called 'Blood Cadets'. It's extremely good. You'll get it in the 'Brothers of the Blood' TPB.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Dark Jimbo 08 May, 2017, 08:45:31 PM
It makes me think there's got to be a huge past continuity story waiting to be told somewhere explaining just how it is that the two turned out so differently -- when you stop to consider that they originally fit the old expression "like two peas in a pod" more closely than any two individuals (even identical twins) EVER have in the real world.

One word - bloodline. As soon as the concept of the bloodline flaw was introduced it's as much explanation as you ever really need for Fargo/Rico/Kraken/Nimrod.

: Re: Things that went over your head...
: positronic 08 May, 2017, 08:57:11 PM
Thank you Greg and Jimbo. As it happens, Brothers of the Blood was one of a handful of outstanding story arcs that Doug Wolk (of the Dredd Reckoning blog/review) picked as one of his worthy-of-recommendation titles, so it was already on my list.

Anyone want to weigh in with bouquets or brickbats for the Tour of Duty and Day of Chaos storylines, which are also tentatively on my list?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Dark Jimbo 08 May, 2017, 09:42:43 PM
Anyone want to weigh in with bouquets or brickbats for the Tour of Duty and Day of Chaos storylines, which are also tentatively on my list?

Both great - make sure to read them in order, is all. DoC riffs a lot on much of what happened in ToD. Also a very good idea to be up to speed with PJ Maybe's shenanigans before then, as he plays a pivotal role in both epics, one way or another.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Dandontdare 09 May, 2017, 06:16:57 PM
Seconded - defo read the complete PJ Maybe before ToD and DoC
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: positronic 10 May, 2017, 03:41:13 AM
So far the reading list of post-Necropolis Dredd TP collections I've got is this:

[X] - The Garth Ennis Collection (Not bad, enjoyed the Emerald Isle/Judge Joyce stories.)
[X] - Judgment Day (Purchased long ago; wanted it for the Strontium Dog crossover. Didn't know any better!)
[  ] - The Pit
[  ] - The Carlos Ezquerra Collection
[X] - Origins (Absolutely amazing! They should all be this good.)
[X] - Mutants in Mega-City One (1st half, fair/poor; 2nd half, excellent!)
[  ] - Brothers of the Blood
[  ] - The Complete PJ Maybe > https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/GRN279 (https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/GRN279)
[  ] - Tour of Duty (2 vols.)
[  ] - Day of Chaos (3 vols.)

I've also heard Trifecta is good, but I figure the list is long enough for now. Then again, I could probably add anything that was predominantly Wagner and/or Ezquerra stories without too much persuasion!

: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Dark Jimbo 10 May, 2017, 06:20:37 PM
I'd maybe prioritise Trifecta over the DoC:Fallout volume, which is by no means essential and mainly a case of Carroll and Williams setting things up for ongoing storylines that aren't actually resolved in that book. That said, I suspect you ought to be au fait with both The Simping Detective and Low Life before tackling Trifecta*, so that's just adding even more to your reading list...!

Titan is maybe the best call for a post-DoC volume, but once again you really will need some familiarity with Low Life for that one...

*Also, given the scripters' very strong 'voices', SD and LL are just that bit more subjective than your average Dredd script - you may love 'em, they may fail completely to be your cup of tea.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: positronic 11 May, 2017, 12:35:07 PM
I'd maybe prioritise Trifecta over the DoC:Fallout volume, which is by no means essential and mainly a case of Carroll and Williams setting things up for ongoing storylines that aren't actually resolved in that book. That said, I suspect you ought to be au fait with both The Simping Detective and Low Life before tackling Trifecta*, so that's just adding even more to your reading list...!

Titan is maybe the best call for a post-DoC volume, but once again you really will need some familiarity with Low Life for that one...

*Also, given the scripters' very strong 'voices', SD and LL are just that bit more subjective than your average Dredd script - you may love 'em, they may fail completely to be your cup of tea.

Okay... according to Dredd Reckoning, Trifecta includes:
Trifecta
(Judge Dredd stories from 2000 AD Progs 1803 and 1806-1812, The Simping Detective stories from 2000 AD Progs 1804-1811, and Low Life stories from 2000 AD Progs 1805-1811)

... should I need more than that to understand what's going on in Titan? I don't need to read all three Mega-City Undercover volumes first, do I?

Also, I've read a couple of chapters of Insurrection, and found the basic premise of that spinoff (space mining colonists decide to secede from Mega-City One) to be pretty interesting. I know the story's been collected in a couple of volumes, which I'm presuming require no real background reading... Any thoughts?

The other spinoff series (besides Judge Anderson) that I like is Hondo City. I read Hondo City Law (because it was easy to get) before realizing that there had been another volume of earlier stories (Shimura) released some years ago (and now out-of-print). Trying to find a copy of that one now, while I await the copy of Hondo City Justice that I ordered last week.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: sheridan 11 May, 2017, 12:53:15 PM
Also, I've read a couple of chapters of Insurrection, and found the basic premise of that spinoff (space mining colonists decide to secede from Mega-City One) to be pretty interesting. I know the story's been collected in a couple of volumes, which I'm presuming require no real background reading... Any thoughts?


You don't need any background reading for Insurrection, though Insurrection itself is background reading for another, more recent series.  But I'm not going to tell you what that series is as it's a surprise appearance ;-)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JudgeJudi 11 May, 2017, 09:13:50 PM

You don't need any background reading for Insurrection, though Insurrection itself is background reading for another, more recent series.  But I'm not going to tell you what that series is as it's a surprise appearance ;-)

I must confess I'm puzzled by this - another megazine strip?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: positronic 11 May, 2017, 10:08:27 PM

You don't need any background reading for Insurrection, though Insurrection itself is background reading for another, more recent series.  But I'm not going to tell you what that series is as it's a surprise appearance ;-)

I must confess I'm puzzled by this - another megazine strip?

from Wikipedia:
Insurrection is a series by Dan Abnett published in Judge Dredd Megazine starting in January 2009. Abnett explains that "the actual brief was to bring to the Dredd Universe something of the epic war-in-space scale of the stuff I write for Warhammer 40K. Tharg (Matt to his friends) wanted a stonking big space war story that would suit the universe of the Mega-Cities".

The series was drawn by artist Colin MacNeil, who has also worked on a number of Warhammer 40K stories, and one reviewer notes the similarities suggesting "MacNeil is reprising exactly the same art style that he used on the "Bloodquest" strip in the Warhammer Monthly comic."

The reception has been positive with reviews of the first episode suggesting "With cracking art and a storming first episode I have to say ‘Insurrection’ has the potential to be the best Dredd off world spin-off ever" and "This was as good a first episode as I can remember reading and I can see Insurrection having the legs to deliver on that initial promise." Reviews only got better after that, including: "Quite simply, this is the best non-Dredd story ever to run in the Megazine" and "glorious"

I forget now where I read the first couple of chapters of this story... might have been a past FCBD issue, or one of those 2000 AD Specials, but my reaction was much the same. Pretty impressive. Didn't hurt that I was already a fan of both Dan Abnett and Colin MacNeil, either, I guess.

Insurrection (Books I & II):
Mega-City One mining colony K-Alpha 61 has declared independence from the ‘Big Meg’ and renamed itself Liberty. This act of defiance has angered the Justice Department’s Special Judicial Squad and in a bid to stop further colonies from rebelling, war is inevitable...
https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/XB423 (https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/XB423)

Insurrection: Liberty (Book III):
MEGA-CITY COLONIAL SPACE, 2135 AD. Mining colony K Alpha 61 renamed itself Liberty after cutting loose from the Big Meg. Furious at this dissent, and in a bid to stop the revolt spreading to other colonies, the SJS launched a blistering attack on Colonial Marshal Karel Luther’s forces. Now, the alien Zhind have stepped up their attacks on the colony worlds causing an uneasy alliance to form between the SJS and the insurrectionists...
https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/XB538 (https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/XB538)

: Re: Things that went over your head...
: sheridan 12 May, 2017, 01:14:13 AM

You don't need any background reading for Insurrection, though Insurrection itself is background reading for another, more recent series.  But I'm not going to tell you what that series is as it's a surprise appearance ;-)

I must confess I'm puzzled by this - another megazine strip?

Yep!  Lawless
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Smith 24 May, 2017, 01:46:42 PM
Not exactly 2kAD related,but I guess this is as good as thread as any.Rodney has a Dan Dare shirt in  a few episodes.Took me years to notice that.:)
(http://itsgoneviral.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Dan-Dare.jpg)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 24 May, 2017, 09:54:20 PM
Billiam Zinkywink in an old Anderson strip - I wasn't too well versed in American comics at the time (I'm still not that much, but more so than then) - but clearly a play on Bill Sienkievicz.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: WhizzBang 24 May, 2017, 09:54:32 PM
Michael Palin also wore the same t-shirt design in Around The World In 80 Days.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/03/14/article-2580094-1C4C8A9C00000578-431_306x457.jpg)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: positronic 25 May, 2017, 11:39:14 AM
Not exactly 2kAD related,but I guess this is as good as thread as any.Rodney has a Dan Dare shirt in  a few episodes.Took me years to notice that.:)
(http://itsgoneviral.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Dan-Dare.jpg)

Sure it's related. Dan Dare appeared in 2000AD, even if the t-shirt pictures the Frank Hampson-illustrated original version of Dan Dare from EAGLE, and even if ownership of the Dan Dare character has gone its own way since the days when IPC had the publishing rights to the character.

You've got the people who only like the original Frank Hampson version of Dan Dare in the same way as you've got the people who only like the original Alex Raymond version of Flash Gordon. Then you've got the people who like both the Raymond Flash Gordon and the later version by Dan Barry, and the people who like both the Hampson Dan Dare and the later version from 2000AD, even though in both cases the two versions are substantially different. The original artists on both characters each worked on them for just about a decade. Even though they were both science fiction heroes, they're less alike as characters than they are in the parallels between their original incarnations and their later incarnations.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Smith 25 May, 2017, 05:58:53 PM
I was saying that Im not sure if this was the right thread,but nevermind...
First episode aired in September 1981,so it misses the Dans 2000AD run by a bit.IIRC Eagle relaunched around that time.
Same shirt shows up later in a series 2 episode,and maybe later again,but Im not sure.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: A.Cow 25 May, 2017, 08:31:52 PM
You've got the people who only like the original Frank Hampson version of Dan Dare in the same way as you've got the people who only like the original Alex Raymond version of Flash Gordon. Then you've got the people who like both the Raymond Flash Gordon and the later version by Dan Barry, and the people who like both the Hampson Dan Dare and the later version from 2000AD, even though in both cases the two versions are substantially different. The original artists on both characters each worked on them for just about a decade. Even though they were both science fiction heroes, they're less alike as characters than they are in the parallels between their original incarnations and their later incarnations.

My head hurts!
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: terryworld 26 May, 2017, 02:54:13 AM
You've got the people who only like the original Frank Hampson version of Dan Dare in the same way as you've got the people who only like the original Alex Raymond version of Flash Gordon. Then you've got the people who like both the Raymond Flash Gordon and the later version by Dan Barry, and the people who like both the Hampson Dan Dare and the later version from 2000AD, even though in both cases the two versions are substantially different. The original artists on both characters each worked on them for just about a decade. Even though they were both science fiction heroes, they're less alike as characters than they are in the parallels between their original incarnations and their later incarnations.

My head hurts!

fuckin' hell... it's like being back at school and getting lectured everyday innit?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Dash Decent 26 May, 2017, 03:53:58 AM
Aeroplanes.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: positronic 26 May, 2017, 07:19:30 AM
I think Frank Hampson's Dan Dare for the original EAGLE was brilliant. I've barely read any of the IPC incarnation of the character, but what I've read about it doesn't encourage me.

Obviously in the early days of 2000AD the publisher felt that the history and name value of Dan Dare was important, but it isn't clear whether the readership of 2000AD felt the same way, and from what I've read about the 2000AD (and later EAGLE revival) of Dan Dare, there never seemed to be a clear creative team or direction for the series. I'm sure there must have been some readers whose first exposure to the character was the later Dan Dare, who felt differently.

I know the later 2000AD and EAGLE strips were collected in 2 trade volumes within the last decade or so, but where was the classic EAGLE Dan Dare most recently reprinted? I have a few of the earlier collections, which I believe were published by Titan Books (don't quote me on that, I'd have to go check).
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: sheridan 26 May, 2017, 12:10:03 PM
Obviously in the early days of 2000AD the publisher felt that the history and name value of Dan Dare was important, but it isn't clear whether the readership of 2000AD felt the same way, and from what I've read about the 2000AD (and later EAGLE revival) of Dan Dare, there never seemed to be a clear creative team or direction for the series. I'm sure there must have been some readers whose first exposure to the character was the later Dan Dare, who felt differently.

I'd never thought about it, but I started reading Eagle and 2000AD at around the same time, so I was introduced to the name Dan Dare by the New Eagle version - the original's grandson, I believe, though the original did pop up via time travel.  That's the Eagle original, not the post-cryosleep 2000AD original.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: positronic 26 May, 2017, 02:48:03 PM
Obviously in the early days of 2000AD the publisher felt that the history and name value of Dan Dare was important, but it isn't clear whether the readership of 2000AD felt the same way, and from what I've read about the 2000AD (and later EAGLE revival) of Dan Dare, there never seemed to be a clear creative team or direction for the series. I'm sure there must have been some readers whose first exposure to the character was the later Dan Dare, who felt differently.

I'd never thought about it, but I started reading Eagle and 2000AD at around the same time, so I was introduced to the name Dan Dare by the New Eagle version - the original's grandson, I believe, though the original did pop up via time travel.  That's the Eagle original, not the post-cryosleep 2000AD original.

I was under the impression that when Eagle was revived in the 1980s, it was published by IPC. Is that not the case? Or did they just choose to ignore what 2000AD had done with the character?

Have the stories you're talking about had a reprint collection somewhere?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: sheridan 26 May, 2017, 03:49:20 PM
Obviously in the early days of 2000AD the publisher felt that the history and name value of Dan Dare was important, but it isn't clear whether the readership of 2000AD felt the same way, and from what I've read about the 2000AD (and later EAGLE revival) of Dan Dare, there never seemed to be a clear creative team or direction for the series. I'm sure there must have been some readers whose first exposure to the character was the later Dan Dare, who felt differently.

I'd never thought about it, but I started reading Eagle and 2000AD at around the same time, so I was introduced to the name Dan Dare by the New Eagle version - the original's grandson, I believe, though the original did pop up via time travel.  That's the Eagle original, not the post-cryosleep 2000AD original.

I was under the impression that when Eagle was revived in the 1980s, it was published by IPC. Is that not the case? Or did they just choose to ignore what 2000AD had done with the character?

Have the stories you're talking about had a reprint collection somewhere?

When 2000AD was launched by IPC in 1977 they tacked on the Dan Dare name to their more punky Bowie-esque space hero and got around it by saying he'd been in cryo for however-long-it-is.  When new Eagle was launched four or five years later, also by IPC, they again tacked on the Dan Dare name to their space hero (more military, not so punky) and got around it by saying he was the grandson of the character the reader's parents would have read about when they were kids.  Once it had been running a few years, for some reason, they brought the original Dan Dare (ignoring the space accident / cryo / face change / cosmic claw).  I didn't say that neither was published by IPC.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: positronic 26 May, 2017, 04:32:36 PM
Obviously in the early days of 2000AD the publisher felt that the history and name value of Dan Dare was important, but it isn't clear whether the readership of 2000AD felt the same way, and from what I've read about the 2000AD (and later EAGLE revival) of Dan Dare, there never seemed to be a clear creative team or direction for the series. I'm sure there must have been some readers whose first exposure to the character was the later Dan Dare, who felt differently.

I'd never thought about it, but I started reading Eagle and 2000AD at around the same time, so I was introduced to the name Dan Dare by the New Eagle version - the original's grandson, I believe, though the original did pop up via time travel.  That's the Eagle original, not the post-cryosleep 2000AD original.

I was under the impression that when Eagle was revived in the 1980s, it was published by IPC. Is that not the case? Or did they just choose to ignore what 2000AD had done with the character?

Have the stories you're talking about had a reprint collection somewhere?

When 2000AD was launched by IPC in 1977 they tacked on the Dan Dare name to their more punky Bowie-esque space hero and got around it by saying he'd been in cryo for however-long-it-is.  When new Eagle was launched four or five years later, also by IPC, they again tacked on the Dan Dare name to their space hero (more military, not so punky) and got around it by saying he was the grandson of the character the reader's parents would have read about when they were kids.  Once it had been running a few years, for some reason, they brought the original Dan Dare (ignoring the space accident / cryo / face change / cosmic claw).  I didn't say that neither was published by IPC.

No, my bad -- I just assumed that if both comics were published by IPC, the Dan Dare character would be the same version from 2000AD to the new Eagle comic, since they were only separated by four or five years (actually I didn't think it was even by that much).

Just to make sure I understand this correctly, how much of a gap of time was there between when DD stopped being published in 2000AD and when it began again in the new Eagle? Do you think IPC assumed two totally different audiences for the character in the two different comics?

Totally different editorial groups, no doubt, and perhaps the new Eagle editor felt they had to try to prove that their version was better than the earlier 2000AD version.

So what happened later? Was the Dan Dare copyright challenged and/or recaptured by the Hampson estate, or... ??
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Jacqusie 27 May, 2017, 02:26:35 PM
I know this has been mooted before, but at the time I never thought of it.

When Johnny Alpha got killed by the big flying thingy - why did no-one use the old time bomb or such device to sort the situation. I know it wasn't as simple as that, but time tricks have been used all over the early SD stories...

Still we have a reanimated Johnny now, which still feels rather ... odd
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: TordelBack 27 May, 2017, 03:26:52 PM
No-one had any equipment in the Lyran dimension - other than a skateboard and Johnny's last scraps - so it would probably have to have used the Doghouse time machine, which was destroyed. Based on later events, a carefully-set timebomb should get you there, but you have the problem of how to programme co-ordinates for a mystical dimension - and the paradoxical issues of taking a trip to prevent a death which caused your trip. Note that all Johnny's timejobs are by way of retributive justice or fixing a problem caused by time travel, never prevention of an event that has already occurred.

Plus the Moses Incident sets a precedent for not using t-weapins to undo a death.
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: positronic 27 May, 2017, 03:56:37 PM
There's a scene in one of the stories where Johnny talks about how expensive those Time Bombs are -- just ONE of them would be far more expensive than an average bounty he could collect, so he can really only afford them when the bounty he's after is a huge payday for him, and he's already got the scratch to invest in equipment. You get the impression he's only got them with him for special high-paying tricky jobs.
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: A.Cow 27 May, 2017, 06:33:00 PM
There's a scene in one of the stories where Johnny talks about how expensive those Time Bombs are

I suspect that's storywriting logic to avoid an easy get-out.  (C.f. Dr Who sonic screwdriver vs. deadlock seal, Star Trek transporter malfunction)
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: Steve Green 27 May, 2017, 06:44:53 PM
Mork Whisperer - they come in at 300K creds a pop - earlier on Johnny chucked them around fairly freely but it made sense to make them expensive (Mork Whisperer), risky (Blood Moon), or illegal (Life and Death)

How they're used in Blood Moon doesn't really make much sense in the way they're traditionally used - Johnny manages to use it to travel interplanetary distances to a specific time, and back again.

The magic dimension thing could have been explained away - they have d-warp technology after all.

But it's too easy to just hand wave away death with no repercussions. In Life and Death, Feral paid a price and Johnny wasn't exactly undamaged by his revival.
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: Steve Green 27 May, 2017, 06:52:15 PM
No-one had any equipment in the Lyran dimension - other than a skateboard and Johnny's last scraps - so it would probably have to have used the Doghouse time machine, which was destroyed. Based on later events, a carefully-set timebomb should get you there, but you have the problem of how to programme co-ordinates for a mystical dimension - and the paradoxical issues of taking a trip to prevent a death which caused your trip. Note that all Johnny's timejobs are by way of retributive justice or fixing a problem caused by time travel, never prevention of an event that has already occurred.

Plus the Moses Incident sets a precedent for not using t-weapins to undo a death.

Yeah, the whole Schicklegruber Grab is not based around stopping Hitler but to bring him to justice when it won't affect the timeline.

I don't think it's made explicitly clear how the time drogues work, he's brought people back temporarily but switched it off again after he's got the info.

Or a dead guy's fate doesn't change, it's just postponed.

We tweaked it for the fan film, a drogue is just a localised (and temporary) reversal - which eventually collapses.

Technically someone could time bomb back to Stonehenge and stop the whole thing, but then you end up with a Max Bubba/Ragnarok situation.

Or even go back to Moondog Mountain and stop Bubba, and have similar repercussions on the future.

A price must be paid.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: TordelBack 27 May, 2017, 06:55:56 PM
The magic dimension thing could have been explained away - they have d-warp technology after all.

Sure, but presumably all the effort that Sagan and the Lyrans went to with Malak Brood's bones and Stonehenge was to ensure a one-way trip.  If you could just use a D-jump in and out, technology available to the Stronts, that was an awful lot of bother.  And on the subject of Malak Brood, it was obvious that Johnny would have done anything to bring Moses back, and yet he had to resort to wizardry: just as Precious and Middenface did.  So I'd judge changing the past to bring someone back from the dead is a no-no in SD universe.
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: Steve Green 27 May, 2017, 07:04:06 PM
Yeah, in Blood Moon he says 'time could fold in on itself'

Although Max Bubba did an awful lot more than just saving one person.

Doesn't really explain the nebulous nature of the time drogue in the strip though.

In the first case Johnny actively switches it off, the second the guy playing cards is shot a second time.

I guess the drogue is a temporary (and safer) solution, it just postpones things, doesn't change the future permanently?
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: positronic 27 May, 2017, 07:11:47 PM
The magic dimension thing could have been explained away - they have d-warp technology after all.

But it's too easy to just hand wave away death with no repercussions. In Life and Death, Feral paid a price and Johnny wasn't exactly undamaged by his revival.

Speaking of magic dimensions and "Get Out of Death FREE" passes, that's pretty much happened on Johnny's earlier Journey To Hell. I guess if you're trapped in a hellish other dimension where the plain-old nonexistence that follows real death might seem highly preferable, you might start being a lot more cautious with using both d-jump and t-jump technology afterwards, because you just never know where you might wind up. After escaping that place you might breath a sigh of relief and reflect that it was better than having died the real death that the panic-button d-warping avoided, but that's because you wound up escaping. While you were trapped there in that dimension at the time it sure mightn't have seemed like the better alternative, though.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Steve Green 27 May, 2017, 07:26:08 PM
I think there's some interesting stuff that hasn't been done with the time weaponry yet (at least as far as I know)

I was expecting Johnny to use it to transport a bomb in Dogs of War, a bomb within a bomb.

A more vicious stront could use a drogue to have someone straddled between life and death, rocking the device forwards and backwards.

Johnny's first use of it is 'talk or I'll make you die a thousand times' but he's not that vindictive.

Stix with a time drogue however...
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: Lobo Baggins 27 May, 2017, 07:38:47 PM
A more vicious stront could use a drogue to have someone straddled between life and death, rocking the device forwards and backwards.

That's pretty much what a Time Trap does - I suppose it would depend if the targets were aware they were trapped in a loop, though (it's never explicitly stated one way or the other, but Kreelman appears to recall being trapped in Outlaw.)
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: Steve Green 27 May, 2017, 07:58:07 PM
I was thinking more working like a vcr, where the operator could really pause someone in agony at the worse possible moment.

The time-trap is a bit of a weird one - originally it talked about them repeating until they starve to death but Kreelman was trapped for 2 years.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Jacqusie 27 May, 2017, 10:32:38 PM
No-one had any equipment in the Lyran dimension - other than a skateboard and Johnny's last scraps - so it would probably have to have used the Doghouse time machine, which was destroyed. Based on later events, a carefully-set timebomb should get you there, but you have the problem of how to programme co-ordinates for a mystical dimension - and the paradoxical issues of taking a trip to prevent a death which caused your trip. Note that all Johnny's timejobs are by way of retributive justice or fixing a problem caused by time travel, never prevention of an event that has already occurred.

Plus the Moses Incident sets a precedent for not using t-weapins to undo a death.

Yeah, the whole Schicklegruber Grab is not based around stopping Hitler but to bring him to justice when it won't affect the timeline.

A price must be paid.


This is more complicated than I first thought. I'm just reading the Schicklegruber Grab and pondering at the 'time room' with interest. It asks more questions than there are answers about how the Strontuim Dogs use the whole time flux. Alpha keeps popping up in Dredd and vice versa, but which version of Alpha?

I still find it hard to read the current SD stories with the resurrected Johnny, part of me thinks it would be better off if we kept the flashback tales with Wulf (He's very much missed as a partner and the film brings this home).

Johnny's new life needs a bit more time and strong stories I'm hoping and dare I say this, a new Artist such as Chris Weston who has always said he would like a go, might bring something new to the franchise for a spell to give Carlos a run on Dredd.

A price must be paid indeed...  :think:
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Steve Green 28 May, 2017, 09:37:52 AM
I'm not sure it's that complicated?

Alpha's visits to MC-1 shift with Dredd, so in Top Dogs Wulf is alive, Judgement Day is later in both Dredd and Alpha's respective timelines (Wulf Dead), and By Private Contract it's later still with the post resurrection Alpha Gang.

I really enjoyed the untold tales - The Ragnarok Job and Rage were great and everything, but losing Wulf left a big viking shaped hole to fill.

Middenface worked well as a replacement in the Rammy, but yeah I really miss the big guy.

I wouldn't mind seeing him brought back for a story, in some temporary alt dimension version just to have him bickering with that shitlord Kid Knee Jr.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: CalHab 29 May, 2017, 01:00:12 PM
Listening to the Mega-City One Book Club podcast, I suddenly realised Kid Knee is a pun, not just a wild-west themed nickname based on his mutation. I don't know how I missed that.
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: Smith 29 May, 2017, 02:06:03 PM
Kidney? ;)
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: A.Cow 29 May, 2017, 02:18:26 PM
It was already spotted by others (http://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=38748.msg769866#msg769866) back in the day, but I killed myself laughing re-reading Megazine 337 when I realised that Mike Collins' rendition of MC-1's Alien Zoo was based on Dudley Zoo in the West Midlands.

(https://preview.ibb.co/i1HNca/Dudley_Zoo.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gag4qv)

It's very apt.  To explain for those who've never lived in the Black Country, there's something undoubtedly incongruous about exotic animals living on a hill (with ski-lifts) in the middle of a run-down market town surrounded by smoke-encrusted factories & pound shops.
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: Jacqusie 29 May, 2017, 11:10:00 PM
Kidney? ;)


Is it really? Kidney?  :think:

Well that certainly flew several feet over my bonce as I wished for that particular Stronty Dogs's testicles to meet a rather forceful object...
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: Fungus 29 May, 2017, 11:30:35 PM
Doctor Fungus Bellamy. Nice.
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: Hawkmumbler 30 May, 2017, 11:10:27 AM
Kidney? ;)
I never got the pun, Kidney? What relevance has that got to his mutation. :|
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: Mardroid 30 May, 2017, 09:58:53 PM
Kid Knee (He's a bloke who fancies himself a hardcase, (hence the Western, 'kid'  Billy, etc) with his head in his knee.)

Kidney (Sounds the same.)

: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Tony Angelino 30 May, 2017, 10:54:48 PM
While the name Kid Knee didn't go over my head when I was a nipper the name Durham Red continues to do so.

For some reason I seem to remember a school friend and myself thinking it was a type of chicken. I don't think this is the case though.

There is a brick called a Durham Red and there is a breed of cow called a Durham and is sometimes known as a Durham Red.

Maybe this has come up before but anyone know where Wagner/Grant got her name from?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Dark Jimbo 31 May, 2017, 12:06:54 AM
While the name Kid Knee didn't go over my head when I was a nipper the name Durham Red continues to do so...

Maybe this has come up before but anyone know where Wagner/Grant got her name from?

It's a football thing. If Alan Grant had got his way, she'd have been called Chelsea Blue!
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: positronic 31 May, 2017, 05:56:56 AM
While the name Kid Knee didn't go over my head when I was a nipper the name Durham Red continues to do so...

Maybe this has come up before but anyone know where Wagner/Grant got her name from?

It's a football thing. If Alan Grant had got his way, she'd have been called Chelsea Blue!

Just as a name, I think "Chelsea Blue" is actually better, if for no other reason than Chelsea is a female name, as well as a place.

That said, I can see a couple of reasons why "Durham Red" was a preferable choice for this character. Red as in "blood red" works better for a mutant vampire (and the name Chelsea Blue would also have affected the character's color scheme).

Also, blue is already associated with the Genetic Infantry, and we already had a Venus Bluegenes, so it seems like the Rogue Trooper franchise already has the color blue locked up. No need for two blue spinoff characters.

It's interesting that just a couple of years later, Nancy Collins' vampire character Sonja Blue first appeared in the novel Sunglasses After Dark.
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: positronic 31 May, 2017, 06:08:30 AM
Middenface McNulty went over my head. Obviously it's alliterative, but what's the joke?

I had to look up "midden"... (a dunghill or refuse heap).
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Steve Green 31 May, 2017, 08:19:10 AM
John told me that Middenface was originally described as having all sorts of crap on his face, rather than his head - bits of broken glass etc.

There's even a mention of that in one line of the Kreeler Conspiracy.

Carlos decided otherwise, which is why we have the lumpit-headed character we know and love.
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: Dark Jimbo 31 May, 2017, 09:40:32 AM
Middenface McNulty went over my head. Obviously it's alliterative, but what's the joke?

I had to look up "midden"... (a dunghill or refuse heap).

Not really a pun but his actual (mildly funny) name. McNulty is his real surname, and Middenface is just thesort of thing a dusgruntled scottish parent might christen a mutant baby.
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: Greg M. 31 May, 2017, 09:47:19 AM
Not really a pun but his actual (mildly funny) name. McNulty is his real surname, and Middenface is just thesort of thing a dusgruntled scottish parent might christen a mutant baby.

I presume they actually christened him Archibald, since that's his real name. Can't remember much about the Young Middenface series, so dunno if it tells us when he first acquired the nickname.
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: Link Prime 31 May, 2017, 09:55:58 AM
While the name Kid Knee didn't go over my head when I was a nipper the name Durham Red continues to do so.

For some reason I seem to remember a school friend and myself thinking it was a type of chicken. I don't think this is the case though.

There is a brick called a Durham Red and there is a breed of cow called a Durham and is sometimes known as a Durham Red.

Maybe this has come up before but anyone know where Wagner/Grant got her name from?

Not from the pen of TB Grover, but in a (now apocryphal) flashback tale by Peter Hogan (& Mark Harrison), it was revealed that Red obtained the name Durham from her first husband.
Her name is therefore a misinterpretation; it should be 'Red Durham'.
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: Dark Jimbo 31 May, 2017, 10:25:54 AM
I presume they actually christened him Archibald, since that's his real name. Can't remember much about the Young Middenface series, so dunno if it tells us when he first acquired the nickname.

D'oh! I did know it was Archibald, as well...!
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: Jacqusie 31 May, 2017, 02:26:33 PM

I had to look up "midden"... (a dunghill or refuse heap).


I have a Scottish friend from Aberdeen that used to call me a Midden, I thought it was a term of endearment... the cheeky mare.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: A.Cow 31 May, 2017, 04:58:39 PM
Her name is therefore a misinterpretation; it should be 'Red Durham'.

... if her cultural heritage is one that puts the family name second.  (Much of south-east Asia puts the family name first.)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Link Prime 31 May, 2017, 08:31:43 PM
Her name is therefore a misinterpretation; it should be 'Red Durham'.

... if her cultural heritage is one that puts the family name second.  (Much of south-east Asia puts the family name first.)

Sure, but not in this case- I'm pretty certain it was explicitly stated that Durham is her (married) surname.
And her 'real' first name is Lucy. *

* According to Ho-Gan.
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: TordelBack 31 May, 2017, 09:32:49 PM
Lucy Durham: dosn't she present shows on Edwardian kitchenware?. Good job this is the work of a notorious fantasist.
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: glassstanley 01 June, 2017, 08:10:02 PM
Death Aid Part One:

"Control, this is Dredd. You got a stiff in Julian Clary Alley."

On an equally dubious note, I've finally tracked down the Bisley graffiti that David Bushop mentions having to censor in the Future Shock documentary.He's mis-remembering the actual graffiti. It's '<scratched out> bandit' rather than 'Gaylord'. It's in Meg vol 2 #62 if you want to find the name of the celeb...

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: JayzusB.Christ 01 June, 2017, 08:17:20 PM
I remember a Judge Gaylord in another Ennis Dredd. The young Garth was, it seems, obsessed with gay.
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: I, Cosh 02 June, 2017, 03:38:04 AM

I had to look up "midden"... (a dunghill or refuse heap).
I have a Scottish friend from Aberdeen that used to call me a Midden, I thought it was a term of endearment... the cheeky mare.
It's a little hard to explain, but something like "ya wee midden" could be used affectionately or as an insult.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Link Prime 02 June, 2017, 10:33:21 AM
Lucy Durham: dosn't she present shows on Edwardian kitchenware?

We could start a campaign to get Beeny's forename changed to Sarah.
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: Lobo Baggins 02 June, 2017, 01:38:53 PM
Her name is therefore a misinterpretation; it should be 'Red Durham'.

... if her cultural heritage is one that puts the family name second.  (Much of south-east Asia puts the family name first.)

Sure, but not in this case- I'm pretty certain it was explicitly stated that Durham is her (married) surname.
And her 'real' first name is Lucy. *

* According to Ho-Gan.

She's also from somewhere near Milton Keynes (she moves there after her parents die when she's 10) rather than from Durham, too - and that's in Island of the Damned by Alan Grant.

I'm saying she's originally from Oxford.  I don't think she'd 'ave a Durh'm accent wi'oot it toornin' up in 'er dialogue, pet...
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Jacqusie 03 June, 2017, 01:00:40 AM

I had to look up "midden"... (a dunghill or refuse heap).
I have a Scottish friend from Aberdeen that used to call me a Midden, I thought it was a term of endearment... the cheeky mare.
It's a little hard to explain, but something like "ya wee midden" could be used affectionately or as an insult.


Aha, that's was she used to call me "ya wee Midden" - I did probably talk a load of dung in those days though.

Middenface has lumps on his head and some artists flattered his face more than others I suppose, Simon Harrisons Middenface looked a bit dungy at times!
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 03 June, 2017, 06:06:52 AM
Her name is therefore a misinterpretation; it should be 'Red Durham'.

... if her cultural heritage is one that puts the family name second.  (Much of south-east Asia puts the family name first.)

Sure, but not in this case- I'm pretty certain it was explicitly stated that Durham is her (married) surname.
And her 'real' first name is Lucy. *

* According to Ho-Gan.

She's also from somewhere near Milton Keynes (she moves there after her parents die when she's 10) rather than from Durham, too - and that's in Island of the Damned by Alan Grant.

I'm saying she's originally from Oxford.  I don't think she'd 'ave a Durh'm accent wi'oot it toornin' up in 'er dialogue, pet...

She has a Durham accent in the SD film, i was pleased to note.
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: JUDGE ALFISH 04 June, 2017, 08:44:54 PM
I'm nearly 50 and only now thanks to the Forum do I get "Rogers & Hammerstein". Perhaps that's what happens when you grow up listening to The Clash and Joy Division...or I'm just a lot dimmer than I realize.
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: Tony Angelino 04 June, 2017, 11:12:36 PM
I'm nearly 50 and only now thanks to the Forum do I get "Rogers & Hammerstein". Perhaps that's what happens when you grow up listening to The Clash and Joy Division...or I'm just a lot dimmer than I realize.

I think those are the best pun names in the history of the Prog. Really clever. I figured that one out very early on and I think it may have been down to seeing The Sound of Music on TV when I was quite young. The name Hammerstein in particular just stuck with me.
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: positronic 05 June, 2017, 05:25:18 AM
I'm nearly 50 and only now thanks to the Forum do I get "Rogers & Hammerstein". Perhaps that's what happens when you grow up listening to The Clash and Joy Division...or I'm just a lot dimmer than I realize.

"Rogers" = "RO-Jaws" is a bit stretchy, even for a pun. Especially since to be technically accurate it's "RoDgers & Hammerstein"... which sounds even less alike. Although now that you mention it, now their song-and-dance duet on the stage at Greasy Gracie's does make make more sense in context.
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: Magnetica 05 June, 2017, 06:01:05 AM
Hmmm really? I don't think it is that much of a stretch...especially for a pun(???).
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: Fungus 05 June, 2017, 08:50:44 AM
To be technically accurate... I just can't believe that a battle droid would strike up a friendship with a sewer droid. The whole thing's a bit far-fetched if you ask me.
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: sheridan 05 June, 2017, 11:00:57 AM
I was familiar with Ro-jaws and Hammerstein about five years before I'd heard of the other duo.
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: positronic 05 June, 2017, 12:22:59 PM
To be technically accurate... I just can't believe that a battle droid would strike up a friendship with a sewer droid. The whole thing's a bit far-fetched if you ask me.

Mills addressed that, though. In the original Ro-Busters, they seemed like a bickering odd couple, but then in the later Return Trilogy we learned some things about Hammerstein that explain why he wasn't acting like his usual sober warbot self, and even got a rationale explaining Ro-Jaws' "faulty obedience and courtesy circuits". In other words, Ro-Jaws is not a typical sewer droid any more than Hammerstein is a typical ABC Warrior, or even a typical Hammerstein Mk III warbot.

I have a harder time believing that a sewer droid and a warbot would have even the most minimal levels of musical song-and-dance routines programmed into them.  :lol:
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: TordelBack 05 June, 2017, 03:29:08 PM
Hmmm really? I don't think it is that much of a stretch...especially for a pun(???).

I'd say it's a perfect pun. Any less 'stretchy' and it'd be a boring homonym (or just a kid's joke like the one about the shipwrecked survivors of a collision between two ships with cargoes of red and blue paint respectively). The truly great puns require the consumer to do a bit of the legwork.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: positronic 05 June, 2017, 03:57:05 PM
Hmmm really? I don't think it is that much of a stretch...especially for a pun(???).

I'd say it's a perfect pun. Any less 'stretchy' and it'd be a boring homonym (or just a kid's joke like the one about the shipwrecked survivors of a collision between two ships with cargoes of red and blue paint respectively). The truly great puns require the consumer to do a bit of the legwork.

But not having any official logo, I always thought of them as "Hammerstein and Ro-Jaws", because that's how it tends to work... the take-charge big hero guy gets first billing, followed by "and..." his diminutive, comic-relief buddy. That tends to make the joke much harder to recognize, too.
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: Magnetica 05 June, 2017, 04:07:09 PM
I think that just you to be honest. I always remembered it as Ro-jaws and Hammerstein... because it sounds better that way.

Not sure the big guy always gets mentioned first. Little and Large for instance.
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: Tony Angelino 05 June, 2017, 04:56:41 PM
Or Laurel and Hardy.
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: Fungus 05 June, 2017, 05:35:50 PM
As a pun it's glorious. I've sometimes wondered if PM punched the air (or something/someone more tangible) when he hit upon it.

How do you find Kingdom, on this basis ?  :o  That'll be tough going.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Tony Angelino 05 June, 2017, 05:46:58 PM
Kingdom doesn't work for me in that sense. Gene (the) Hackman, Paul Numan, Clara Bow etc. Too contrived for me personally.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: positronic 05 June, 2017, 07:12:36 PM
I guess the other part is that for the longest time, it was ABC Warriors, and not Ro-Busters, that was the returning feature, and they were (except for Khaos stories in the early 1990s) Hammerstein's crew. He's the Sgt. Rock to their Easy Company, or the Sgt. Fury to their Howling Commandos.

Ro-Jaws, being a mere sewer droid designed for garbage disposal and cleaning out sewer drains, and therefore essentially weaponless, couldn't contribute much in the way of being a soldier, even if he did make a fair serviceable first responder in the Ro-Busters disaster squad.

It was only after reading The Complete Nuts and Bolts that I truly appreciated what a great character Ro-Jaws is, and now he's replaced Hammerstein as my favorite mek. Of course I'd read a scattered sampling of the Ro-Busters stories way back when, but never the entire thing.

I particularly enjoyed reading "Ro-Jaws' Memoirs", which told his backstory of how it was he wound up in that used-robot showroom in the first place. Now that he's taken a somewhat more prominent role with the ABC Warriors in the ongoing struggle for robot liberation, I hope he may continue exclaiming "Manky Moses!" until at last cludgie is unclogged. :D
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: Dark Jimbo 05 June, 2017, 07:52:21 PM
He does get most of the best lines!

'What sort of robot is this? What does it run on?'
'I'll give you a clue, luv - humans talk a lot of the stuff I eat.'
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: JayzusB.Christ 06 June, 2017, 07:55:34 AM
General Armz.  I only got it the other day.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Steve Green 06 June, 2017, 10:22:05 AM
I saw Paul Merton interviewed by Richard Herring last night, where he performed his 'Policeman giving evidence after having taken hallucinogenic drugs' routine.

Reminded me a little of that Dredd with McCarthy on art duties - no idea if it was an inspiration (the original inspiration for the routine was a documentary about operation Julie, where there was a drugs factory bust and the air was thick with hallucinogens)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: A.Cow 06 June, 2017, 05:01:59 PM
General Armz.  I only got it the other day.

Um ... not sure I get it.  I may be being extra thick here so please forgive me for asking for elucidation.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Jim_Campbell 06 June, 2017, 05:06:16 PM
Um ... not sure I get it.  I may be being extra thick here so please forgive me for asking for elucidation.

I thought it existed entirely to set up the "A Farewell to Armz?" next prog tagline…
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Proudhuff 06 June, 2017, 06:00:46 PM
Kingdom doesn't work for me in that sense. Gene (the) Hackman, Paul Numan, Clara Bow etc. Too contrived for me personally.

I always thought it was the kind of thing geek genehackers would do, name their creations after favourite stuff from movies music etc... there is a Skynet somewhere!  :o
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: TordelBack 06 June, 2017, 08:39:35 PM
Indeed. It's also a pretty important part of the Aux culture: these are the kind of stupid names people give dogs, but taken completely un-ironically by the recipients, and in many cases used pridefully and literally, with consequences for how they view their own personalities and capabilities.  It's a very well developed gag.       
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Jacqusie 06 June, 2017, 10:50:57 PM
Kingdom doesn't work for me in that sense. Gene (the) Hackman, Paul Numan, Clara Bow etc. Too contrived for me personally.


Me neither, I think if Dan Abnett left all the daft names in Sin/Dex world that would be ok (as it's premise is it's daft) but it gets a bit much when they start cropping up anywhere and everywhere. Ted Behr anyone? Jeez...

I'm just waiting for Dixie Normous and Ivor Biggen to liven things up in the snore fest that is Brink...

: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Dash Decent 07 June, 2017, 12:32:57 PM
I still say Kingdom needs a Ronnie Barker.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Lobo Baggins 07 June, 2017, 02:05:59 PM
I still say Kingdom needs a Ronnie Barker.

Was there a Jack Offenbark?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: A.Cow 07 June, 2017, 09:57:43 PM
I still say Kingdom needs a Ronnie Barker.
Was there a Jack Offenbark?

Surely we should have Samuel L. Dachshund?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Steve Green 07 June, 2017, 10:46:34 PM
Say Woof one more time, motherf*cker - I dare you, I double dare you...
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: positronic 08 June, 2017, 11:29:31 AM
Things that went over Blackblood's head -- General Public.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: hippynumber1 08 June, 2017, 11:43:58 AM
Not so much something that went over my head as something that went unnoticed until this morning: my copy of The ABC Warriors: The Third Element paperback actually reads 'The THRID Element' on the spine.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Dark Jimbo 08 June, 2017, 01:04:17 PM
Not so much something that went over my head as something that went unnoticed until this morning: my copy of The ABC Warriors: The Third Element paperback actually reads 'The THRID Element' on the spine.

Not to mention crediting Tony Skinner - who isn't in the book - but not Henry Flint, who very much is. No proofreading going on at all that day!
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: A.Cow 08 June, 2017, 03:15:18 PM
No proofreading going on at all that day!

Either that or lots of 100°-proof reading.

(https://19818-presscdn-pagely.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/64f/2f/ptadrunk.gif)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Dash Decent 17 June, 2017, 12:26:46 PM
Not so much over my head but something I hadn't noticed before last night.  The Judges radio chatter at the very start of "Judge Minty" includes the old "Letsby Avenue" pun.  Classic!
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: CalHab 22 June, 2017, 04:37:31 PM
Reading the new Lawless book, I only just realised Kill a Man Jaroo is a pun on Kilimanjaro.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Link Prime 22 June, 2017, 04:55:45 PM
Reading the new Lawless book, I only just realised Kill a Man Jaroo is a pun on Kilimanjaro.

Ah c'mon.
That's Justin Credible.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Steve Green 22 June, 2017, 05:48:11 PM
Not so much over my head but something I hadn't noticed before last night.  The Judges radio chatter at the very start of "Judge Minty" includes the old "Letsby Avenue" pun.  Classic!

I'd hazard a guess that's Mr Carroll's doing.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: norton canes 23 June, 2017, 03:54:55 PM
Reading the new Lawless book, I only just realised Kill a Man Jaroo is a pun on Kilimanjaro

About half way though it, and noticed that another Uplift is called 'Kay Too'.
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: norton canes 23 June, 2017, 03:55:32 PM
I wonder if Marshall Lawson will EVER ARREST them?!
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Lobo Baggins 28 June, 2017, 06:43:45 PM
My grud...

Ro-Busters is a pun on 'robust'!

HOW HAVE I NEVER SEEN THAT?!?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Woolly 28 June, 2017, 10:16:10 PM
My grud...

Ro-Busters is a pun on 'robust'!

HOW HAVE I NEVER SEEN THAT?!?

(http://i1144.photobucket.com/albums/o499/woolly76/abc_zpsvmkwhihh.jpg) (http://s1144.photobucket.com/user/woolly76/media/abc_zpsvmkwhihh.jpg.html)

Fuck! Can't believe I've had to have that pointed out to me!  :-[
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Lobo Baggins 29 June, 2017, 07:05:16 AM
(http://i1144.photobucket.com/albums/o499/woolly76/abc_zpsvmkwhihh.jpg) (http://s1144.photobucket.com/user/woolly76/media/abc_zpsvmkwhihh.jpg.html)

Fuck! Can't believe I've had to have that pointed out to me!  :-[

I know, right?

It's the Beatles and Cromer all over again...
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Jim_Campbell 29 June, 2017, 07:35:36 AM
Ro-Busters is a pun on 'robust'!

No, you fools! It's a play on the name Rob Usters, the American character actor who famously played the roles of both Rogers and Hammerstein in the 1958 biographical radio play "One Day We'll Be So Famous They'll Name A Pair Of Comedy Robots After Us".
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 30 June, 2017, 04:46:02 PM
Ro-Busters is a pun on 'robust'!

No, you fools! It's a play on the name Rob Usters, the American character actor who famously played the roles of both Rogers and Hammerstein in the 1958 biographical radio play "One Day We'll Be So Famous They'll Name A Pair Of Comedy Robots After Us".

Also starring Aebis E. Woryorz.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 06 July, 2017, 12:50:06 PM
Just re-read an old Killing Time GN.  I think I was about 17 last time I read it, and really didn't cop that 'call me Ishmael' was a Moby Dick reference.  And maybe, now that I think of it, the whole story is an intentional allusion to Moby Dick; given that its main theme is the hunt for a colossal monster.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: zombemybabynow 06 July, 2017, 01:37:24 PM
the down of an elephant / duck joke - 7 years!! no kidding!!
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: flip-r mk2 13 July, 2017, 08:49:27 PM
Just realised that 'Jimp' is a contraction of Judge impersonator doohhh, I'll get me coat :)

filippo
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Smith 13 July, 2017, 08:52:34 PM
Really?That was even explained a few times in the strip.:)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: sheridan 13 July, 2017, 09:32:54 PM
Really?That was even explained a few times in the strip.:)

Filippo wins the thread!  (keep 'em coming though!)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Tjm86 15 July, 2017, 04:39:28 PM
On a bit of a prog slog through the 300's at the moment and just got to the end of Fort Neuro.  One of the Nort Generals is General Vagner.  A guest writer cameo for our esteemed Dredd writer?  Or am I reading too much into it?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: M.I.K. 15 July, 2017, 07:59:25 PM
More likely a reference to the composer chappy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Wagner), whose music was appropiated by the nazis, but may be a slight nod to oor John as well.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: sheridan 16 July, 2017, 12:17:03 AM
More likely a reference to the composer chappy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Wagner), whose music was appropiated by the nazis, but may be a slight nod to oor John as well.

Similar Wagner/Wagner connection here (also a thing that went over my head at the time):
(http://www.2000ad.org/covers/2000ad/mediumres/459.jpg)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Echidna 16 July, 2017, 03:21:46 PM
Was Wagner's real name common knowledge at that point? That's one of a few in-jokes referencing his identity (e.g. Fly's Eyes Wagner, Cadet Wagner's entry on the Honour Roll in Mutie the Pig) which appeared when he and/or Alan Grant were going by John Howard, TB Grover etc. (or uncredited, in the case of MTP)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: sheridan 17 July, 2017, 12:44:57 PM
Was Wagner's real name common knowledge at that point? That's one of a few in-jokes referencing his identity (e.g. Fly's Eyes Wagner, Cadet Wagner's entry on the Honour Roll in Mutie the Pig) which appeared when he and/or Alan Grant were going by John Howard, TB Grover etc. (or uncredited, in the case of MTP)

The examples you've given are in the first three years (and I think two are in the first six months, before the Compu-73e credit cards had been introduced).  Fort Neuro was around Prog 300, and we were well used to credit cards by that point (they'd also spread to other IPC comics, though obviously without the sci-fi angle).
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 27 July, 2017, 10:17:23 PM
While watching Bone Tomahawk, it suddenly occurred to me where Tommy 'Hawk' Hill from Twin Peaks got his nickname.  I'm thick, I know, and it was probably explained in the original two series, but there you go
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Smith 08 August, 2017, 07:18:27 PM
Here is a hilarious SinDex one-Dirty deeds done dirt cheap is a song/album title.
Yeah,that took me a while.:|
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: I, Cosh 27 November, 2017, 07:30:00 PM
Is Mickey Challis the Knight of Cups?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 06 January, 2018, 09:53:45 PM
I've just learned the word factotum, and realised I've missed a long-running Sin / Dex pun.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: The Legendary Shark 07 January, 2018, 06:17:58 AM
Speaking of, I only tumbled to their names' meaning when I spotted Roman soldiers marching to "sinister, dexter, sinister, dexter -halt!" in a rerun of Frankie Howerd's Up Pompei![/] tv series. Smut and education in one amusing package.


: Re: Things that went over your head...
: I, Cosh 07 January, 2018, 09:55:34 AM
I've just learned the word factotum, and realised I've missed a long-running Sin / Dex pun.
What shocks me about this is that you've never read any Bukowski!
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 07 January, 2018, 11:09:11 AM
Fraid not, though I know quite a bit about him due to a Bukowski-obsessed friend.  Probably time to start reading him. 

I sussed the meaning of Sinister and Dexter's names from the start; but I have no recollection as to how, given that I never learned Latin.  The Um Louts were a mystery to me until I went to work in Germany a few weeks after they were introduced.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Dash Decent 08 January, 2018, 09:20:09 AM
Yep, left handed people are bad and sinister.

If you're ambi-dexter-ous, it's like you have two right (i.e. good/useful) hands.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: TordelBack 08 January, 2018, 09:30:43 AM
Yep, left handed people are bad and sinister.

Damn straight.  Almost as bad as frecks, in my experience.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Theblazeuk 08 January, 2018, 09:57:36 AM
I vaguely recall that one of the early SinDex strips actually has a little bubble explaining this very reference, as least it did in the DC-printed collections. Not going to dig them out to check mind.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: The Legendary Shark 08 January, 2018, 12:27:06 PM
Leaving my education to the likes of Frankie Howerd probably wasn't my most astute adjudicature, Missus.

: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Magnetica 08 January, 2018, 12:45:40 PM
I vaguely recall that one of the early SinDex strips actually has a little bubble explaining this very reference, as least it did in the DC-printed collections. Not going to dig them out to check mind.

I don’t remember that being in the Prog.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: DrRocka 22 January, 2018, 12:35:33 AM
I have literally just THIS SECOND realised that when Fink Angel refers to his “pizen” it’s his Cursed Earth Drawl way of saying “poison” 🤯
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Jim_Campbell 22 January, 2018, 06:42:37 AM
I have literally just THIS SECOND realised that when Fink Angel refers to his “pizen” it’s his Cursed Earth Drawl way of saying “poison” 🤯

What on earth did you think he meant?!
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: DrRocka 22 January, 2018, 09:12:12 AM
I’ve no idea! I must have been about 9 or 10 when I first read The Fink so all I can assume is that I thought it was some kind of futurespeak that meant nothing. I do love a good 2am moment of sudden realisation.

Next up, I’ll be revealing that Monty Python and Pink Floyd weren’t actually real people, and that the world wasn’t actually black and white until someone invented colour in the late sixties.....
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: TordelBack 22 January, 2018, 09:16:15 AM
Pink Floyd [was]n’t actually real people...

He was, he just wasn't well and stayed back at the hotel.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Woolly 22 January, 2018, 10:50:45 AM
Pink Floyd [was]n’t actually real people...

He was, he just wasn't well and stayed back at the hotel.

Yeah but, which ones Pink?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: NapalmKev 22 January, 2018, 10:51:34 AM
Pink Floyd [was]n’t actually real people...

He was, he just wasn't well and stayed back at the Hotel

Well done, that man! Made me smile.

Cheers
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) 22 January, 2018, 12:08:11 PM
And reading this, I've just this second realised that when Fink says "pizen", he is probably saying "pye-zen" and not "pizzen", as I have been reading the whole of my damn life.
SBT
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: sheridan 22 January, 2018, 01:18:22 PM
Yep, left handed people are bad and sinister.

If you're ambi-dexter-ous, it's like you have two right (i.e. good/useful) hands.

And right handed people are dextrous / have greater dexterity.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: sheridan 22 January, 2018, 01:18:52 PM
Something it took me three stories to realise was why Harry Heston is called Heston (Planet of the Apes).
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 08 February, 2018, 10:13:54 PM
Just been watching loads and loads of Steptoe and Son (it was a bit before my time) and realised that Look Out for Lefty (in Action, also a bit before my time) is blatantly Steptoe meets Roy of the Rovers.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: The Legendary Shark 08 February, 2018, 11:16:36 PM
Bit of S&S trivia: the "Son" in Steptoe and Son is Albert, not Harold.

: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 08 February, 2018, 11:17:36 PM
Bit of S&S trivia: the "Son" in Steptoe and Son is Albert, not Harold.

Just discovered that recently too!
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: The Legendary Shark 08 February, 2018, 11:26:40 PM
Heh, poor old Harold hasn't even got his name on the gate. Those old fashioned writers really thought things through!

: Re: Things that went over your head...
: TordelBack 09 February, 2018, 06:24:59 AM
Heh, poor old Harold hasn't even got his name on the gate. Those old fashioned writers really thought things through!

Never twigged that,  absolute genius.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Fungus 09 February, 2018, 09:22:58 AM
That's inspired  :)
Very likely it occurred to them in a flash (no planning required) but in any case it's just perfect...
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: The Legendary Shark 09 February, 2018, 10:33:20 AM
On the same note but a different track, I remember an interview with Bob Larbey and John Esmonde in which they revealed a secret about Margo from The Good Life which informed their writing of the character but was never revealed in the series. As a teenager, Margo fell for a boy from the wrong side of the tracks and was sent away to have an abortion. Though not a suitable topic for sit-com, this character fact explains her secret attraction to the unconventional Tom, her repressed loathing of her conventional husband and her obsession with keeping up a respectable appearance.

I think they had similar secrets for all the characters in the series but I can't remember what they were or if they revealed them.

Now that's how to write characters!


: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Dandontdare 09 February, 2018, 11:55:32 AM
I always assumed the Goods & leadbetters were wife-swappers, definitely lots of inter-couple flirting going on
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: The Legendary Shark 09 February, 2018, 12:38:49 PM
There was definitely a strong sexual undercurrent.

: Re: Things that went over your head...
: TordelBack 09 February, 2018, 12:39:59 PM
Never would have suspected Margot secretly loathed Jerry. Quite the reverse really, repressed love.

As to fancying Tom, well who wouldn't.  Much of my early amd more successful romantic strategising centered on bring as Tom-like as possible.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JamesC 09 February, 2018, 01:55:47 PM
I hate The Good Life, I hate it.
Felicity 'Treacle' Kendal and Richard 'sugar flavoured snob' Briars. THEY'RE NOTHING BUT A COUPLE OF REACTIONARY STEREOTYPES, CONFIRMING THE MYTH THAT EVERYONE IN BRITAIN IS A LOVABLE MIDDLE CLASS ECCENTRIC, AND I HATE THEM!!
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: The Legendary Shark 09 February, 2018, 02:04:17 PM
That was a highly articulate outburst, James
. I only hope they're not browsing.

: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Pyroxian 09 February, 2018, 02:06:18 PM
I hate The Good Life, I hate it.
Felicity 'Treacle' Kendal and Richard 'sugar flavoured snob' Briars. THEY'RE NOTHING BUT A COUPLE OF REACTIONARY STEREOTYPES, CONFIRMING THE MYTH THAT EVERYONE IN BRITAIN IS A LOVABLE MIDDLE CLASS ECCENTRIC, AND I HATE THEM!!

Hehe - my thoughts exactly - https://youtu.be/bomygz1Ygkk?t=29
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: sheridan 09 February, 2018, 08:27:47 PM
I hate The Good Life, I hate it.
Felicity 'Treacle' Kendal and Richard 'sugar flavoured snob' Briars. THEY'RE NOTHING BUT A COUPLE OF REACTIONARY STEREOTYPES, CONFIRMING THE MYTH THAT EVERYONE IN BRITAIN IS A LOVABLE MIDDLE CLASS ECCENTRIC, AND I HATE THEM!!

Hehe - my thoughts exactly - https://youtu.be/bomygz1Ygkk?t=29 (https://youtu.be/bomygz1Ygkk?t=29)


Is it Vyvyan?  Is it Vyvyan?  Yep!
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Dash Decent 11 February, 2018, 09:19:57 PM
The character names also have some jokey angles - the blokes are Tom & Jerry (after the cartoon cat and mouse of course) and while one couple is 'Good', the other is (Led)"Better'.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Jim_Campbell 11 February, 2018, 10:11:21 PM
Is it Vyvyan?  Is it Vyvyan?  Yep!

Things that went over your head? The Young Ones’ extra flat mate…? (https://www.dailygrail.com/2016/06/the-5th-young-one-pay-no-attention-to-the-girl-behind-the-sofa/) Wait? What?!
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: The Legendary Shark 12 February, 2018, 07:23:29 AM
: Jim_Campbell
link=topic=35063.msg979327#msg979327
date=1518387081


Things that went over your head? The Young
Ones’ extra flat mate…? Wait? What?!


That's extraordinary. I resolved to check this out and went to retrieve my Young Ones dvds from the box under the bed where all my "classic comedy" discs live.

The dvds aren't there...

: Re: Things that went over your head...
: The Legendary Shark 12 February, 2018, 10:31:38 AM
Can't find those discs anywhere. Been through my entire collection and nada. They must have gone missing during the waveform collapse of my last slide. There's probably a parallel universe out there containing nothing but my Young Ones dvds, a few stray Biros, half a dozen odd socks and several species of fluff.

: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JamesC 12 February, 2018, 10:40:03 AM
The DVD release of The Young Ones was annoying because they removed the Subterranean Homesick Blues bit from 'Cash'.
The best way to watch The Young Ones is on an old VHS on a wooden telly.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: The Legendary Shark 12 February, 2018, 11:34:17 AM

Found 'em.

OMG - there she is!

: Re: Things that went over your head...
: sheridan 12 February, 2018, 12:38:28 PM
The DVD release of The Young Ones was annoying because they removed the Subterranean Homesick Blues bit from 'Cash'.
The best way to watch The Young Ones is on an old VHS on a wooden telly.

Why did the edit it out?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Dandontdare 12 February, 2018, 01:59:03 PM
The DVD release of The Young Ones was annoying because they removed the Subterranean Homesick Blues bit from 'Cash'.
The best way to watch The Young Ones is on an old VHS on a wooden telly.
ooh, have we got a video?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JamesC 12 February, 2018, 02:18:14 PM
The DVD release of The Young Ones was annoying because they removed the Subterranean Homesick Blues bit from 'Cash'.
The best way to watch The Young Ones is on an old VHS on a wooden telly.

Why did the edit it out?

Something to do with the rights for the song.

And, yes, we have a video from Harry the Bastard at Rumbelows but so far we can only get it to make toast. :lol:
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JamesC 12 February, 2018, 02:32:10 PM
Sorry to double post - from Wikipedia:

The episode features a performance from Ken Bishop's Nice Twelve, a one-off conglomerate of high-profile rock musicians and theme writers, including Jools Holland, Simon Brint, Stewart Copeland and Chris Difford performing "Subterranean Homesick Blues" by Bob Dylan. For contractual reasons, this was edited out of DVD releases in the past, but was reinstated for the 25th Anniversary edition.

On the original release DVDs, to go with the edit, the scenes of the main cast are cut, all bar the scene where they take Neil to the job centre. The band's name is also edited out of the credits, but rather than simply erase the name, the portion of credits with the group name is cut, with the credits before and after that intersected by a thick orange line, which also shows two sets of footage playing. However, when a total list of all cast members of all 12 episodes of the series are in the credits for "Summer Holiday", the names of the three musicians are not taken out.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: glassstanley 23 March, 2018, 08:38:59 AM
Have we mentioned Bradley & Milton? Just had this pointed out to me!
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Bad City Blue 23 March, 2018, 04:02:30 PM
Have we mentioned Bradley & Milton? Just had this pointed out to me!
aw ffs... I nver noticed that!
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: BMCCOLL 23 March, 2018, 05:10:15 PM
Beat Les was their very first drummer.

I love that John Lennon comment when he was asked if Ringo was the best drummer in the world.

"He's not even the best drummer in the Beatles."


Urban myth I'm afraid, the quote was an old gag by the brilliant Jasper Carrott.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Dandontdare 23 March, 2018, 06:35:29 PM
Have we mentioned Bradley & Milton? Just had this pointed out to me!

Don't get it 
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: The Legendary Shark 23 March, 2018, 06:36:49 PM
Have we mentioned Bradley & Milton? Just had this pointed out to me!

Don't get it 

I'm glad it's not just me.

: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JOE SOAP 23 March, 2018, 06:48:02 PM
Have we mentioned Bradley & Milton? Just had this pointed out to me!

Don't get it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Bradley
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Tjm86 02 April, 2018, 09:04:11 PM
Bit of a face palm moment for me.  Just reached Prog 478 on the latest prog slog.  Reading Dredd: the Art of Kenny Who, I've just realised who he sits drinking with in the Boils Head.  Pretty sure we have a cameo from our great John Wagner.  Number of times I've read this and never noticed!
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: BMCCOLL 20 April, 2018, 10:41:50 PM
Prog 424, Dredd says about Chopper "... He's out. Now heading south on Lusardi!"

Sublime!
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: A.Cow 20 April, 2018, 11:49:36 PM
I've just been re-reading Dan Dare in early progs and have been scratching my head over a couple of easter eggs in The Doomsday Machine (prog 80-ish).

In the main picture I recognise the USS Enterprise, Biog Mothership, Thunderbird 3, Anastasia, Eagle Transporter, part of an X-Wing fighter, and the Metropolis Machine-Man.  And other panels include the Millennium Falcon cockpit, Sandcrawler tracks and Harrier jump jet.

(https://image.ibb.co/hG1pj7/artwork.jpg)

I'm guessing that the obscured hanging object under the "Doomsday" banner is Thunderbird 2, and suspect that the ship next to the Machine-Man hand is Fireball XL5.

However, I'm totally flummoxed over the big ship behind the Enterprise saucer with swept-back wings and "WT..." visible.  Can anybody put me out of my misery?

(Also, is the striped vehicle (bottom left of this image) from anything?  Kinda looks familiar.)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Frank 21 April, 2018, 12:10:32 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/pRPwFlL.png?2)

https://youtu.be/atwfWEKz00U?t=56m11s


: Re: Things that went over your head...
: sheridan 21 April, 2018, 12:18:41 AM
I've just been re-reading Dan Dare in early progs and have been scratching my head over a couple of easter eggs in The Doomsday Machine (prog 80-ish).

In the main picture I recognise the USS Enterprise, Biog Mothership, Thunderbird 3, Anastasia, Eagle Transporter, part of an X-Wing fighter, and the Metropolis Machine-Man.  And other panels include the Millennium Falcon cockpit, Sandcrawler tracks and Harrier jump jet.

I'm guessing that the obscured hanging object under the "Doomsday" banner is Thunderbird 2, and suspect that the ship next to the Machine-Man hand is Fireball XL5.

However, I'm totally flummoxed over the big ship behind the Enterprise saucer with swept-back wings and "WT..." visible.  Can anybody put me out of my misery?

(Also, is the striped vehicle (bottom left of this image) from anything?  Kinda looks familiar.)

The striped ship looks very Chris Foss-y to me (long-term Squaxx will remember his triptych of MC1 covers).



(http://www.justpressplay.net/images/stories/chris_foss/chris_foss_banner.jpg)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Timothy 21 April, 2018, 08:29:08 AM
Looks a bit like the Speedo Ghost.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Magnetica 21 April, 2018, 08:43:50 AM
Looks a bit like the Speedo Ghost.

Ace Trucking was a few years off yet at that point.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: A.Cow 22 April, 2018, 03:30:06 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/pRPwFlL.png?2)
https://youtu.be/atwfWEKz00U?t=56m11s

Aha!  Thanks, Frank -- you're a superstar.

(I'd never have got that -- last saw that movie something like 35 years ago.)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: sheridan 22 April, 2018, 04:17:36 AM
Looks a bit like the Speedo Ghost.

Ace Trucking was a few years off yet at that point.

So a potential candidate for the Swipe thread ;-)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: I, Cosh 25 April, 2018, 02:02:51 PM
Luther Arkwright was named for the two big engines of violent social upheaval in British history: Protestantism and industrialisation.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: The Enigmatic Dr X 25 April, 2018, 10:53:11 PM
That Chevvy Chase wasn't Paul Simon
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: TordelBack 26 April, 2018, 02:08:59 PM
That Chevvy Chase wasn't Paul Simon

 :lol:

Tangentially, I never realised that Carrie Fisher was married to Paul Simon (twice).  I always thought it was a SNL gag!
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 29 April, 2018, 12:59:39 PM
Having read the excellent Megazine floppy about Nemesis, I've just remembered two things that went over my head in Deathbringer the first time round: 1. The type of 'physical pleasure' Torquemada got from violent acts of revenge, and 2. The fact that he needed armour over his old chap to fend off repeated groin attacks.

This is what I love about rereading old progs - suddenly getting the sneaky adult bits I missed as a kid. I also didn't realise that Termight borrowed so much influence from Catholic iconography. I grew up in 80s Ireland, though, so I suppose it's the same as the way a fish doesn't know what water is.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: glassstanley 01 May, 2018, 07:29:32 PM
There’s one page of Hicklenton’s that has an editorial white blob in one corner. That’s because he drew an ejaculating penis in that space originally.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Greg M. 01 May, 2018, 07:35:52 PM
There’s one page of Hicklenton’s that has an editorial white blob in one corner. That’s because he drew an ejaculating penis in that space originally.

Indeed. I own the original art for it - you can see it in all its glory here: http://www.comicartfans.com/gallerypiece.asp?piece=1239930 (http://www.comicartfans.com/gallerypiece.asp?piece=1239930)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: glassstanley 01 May, 2018, 08:39:52 PM
I love that Hicklenton went ahead and drew that page, presumably knowing it would be spotted and whited-out. Even more I love the feeble attempt to hide it behind the text box!
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Greg M. 01 May, 2018, 08:44:17 PM
There's another notorious one, owned by another boarder, which features Purity going down on Nemesis - Hicklenton's 'gobble! gobble!' sound-effect was judiciously edited out.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: sheridan 01 May, 2018, 08:54:08 PM
There's another notorious one, owned by another boarder, which features Purity going down on Nemesis - Hicklenton's 'gobble! gobble!' sound-effect was judiciously edited out.

Prior to all that, Bryan Talbot had included the line "Nemesis does it with Purity" on the back of a Terminator wagon.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 01 May, 2018, 09:21:16 PM
There's another notorious one, owned by another boarder, which features Purity going down on Nemesis - Hicklenton's 'gobble! gobble!' sound-effect was judiciously edited out.

Was there really such a panel?  Not that there's anything there to go down on...
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Greg M. 01 May, 2018, 09:34:43 PM
This is true, given that Nemesis's member is, in fact, his beak. Nonetheless, Purity has a good go here: http://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1032423 (http://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1032423)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Frank 01 May, 2018, 09:36:47 PM
There's another notorious one, owned by another boarder, which features Purity going down on Nemesis - Hicklenton's 'gobble! gobble!' sound-effect was judiciously edited out.

Was there really such a panel?  Not that there's anything there to go down on...

(https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2018-02/8/14/asset/buzzfeed-prod-fastlane-02/anigif_sub-buzz-11012-1518117480-5.gif?downsize=715:*&output-format=auto&output-quality=auto)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 01 May, 2018, 09:44:16 PM
My word.  God, I loved John Hicklenton.  Less of a shite he could not give.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: AlexF 03 May, 2018, 10:06:45 AM
Dan Abnett's latest 'Ammo Amass' pun from Sinister Dexter finally justifies those 4 years of Latin I had to do at school...
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: The Monarch 03 May, 2018, 03:51:46 PM
I really guess I gave John Hicklenton more praise when I was younger....god I was a stupid kid hating it :(
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: sheridan 03 May, 2018, 04:11:55 PM
Dan Abnett's latest 'Ammo Amass' pun from Sinister Dexter finally justifies those 4 years of Latin I had to do at school...
So what's the pun?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Tjm86 03 May, 2018, 04:25:43 PM
The first exercise you had to learn was 'amo, amas, amat, amamus, amatis, amant'  'I love, you love, he she it loves, we love, you love, they love'.

Our head, who taught us Latin, liked to use negative reinforcement to aid memory.  One whack of the Jasper for each mark below the pass mark.  I suppose it worked after a fashion.  I can still remember too much of the Latin together with how much I hate it.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: The Legendary Shark 03 May, 2018, 04:50:02 PM
The older I get, the more I regret not learning Latin.

: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Dandontdare 03 May, 2018, 05:16:10 PM
I thought it was pointless at the time to learn a dead language but it has been useful all my life in inferring the meaning of unfamiliar words.

Anyone else do the Cambridge Press Latin course featuring Pompeii citizen Caecilius and his slave Clemens and cook Grumio?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Frank 03 May, 2018, 05:33:46 PM
'I love, you love,
he she it loves,
we love, you love, they love'

https://youtu.be/ZfMrbIzd69Q?t=35s


: Re: Things that went over your head...
: TordelBack 03 May, 2018, 05:51:54 PM
'I love, you love,
he she it loves,
we love, you love, they love'

https://youtu.be/ZfMrbIzd69Q?t=35s

Jeez luweeze, why did so many of the TV people I loved as a little kid turn out to be such truly titanic shits.  Thank the good grud for Bernard Cribbins and David Attenborough (fingers crossed).
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: sheridan 03 May, 2018, 08:26:14 PM
'I love, you love,
he she it loves,
we love, you love, they love'

https://youtu.be/ZfMrbIzd69Q?t=35s

Jeez luweeze, why did so many of the TV people I loved as a little kid turn out to be such truly titanic shits.  Thank the good grud for Bernard Cribbins and David Attenborough (fingers crossed).

Tony Hart should be safe as well - anything untoward should have come out by now.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Smith 04 May, 2018, 08:02:51 AM
I got the entire Demon by Alan Grant now.And it dawned on me that The Thing-that-could-not-die is pretty much Gronk.There is also a (possible) tribute to The Fist of Dredd moment.And a musical issue.Because ofc there is. :)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Colin YNWA 04 May, 2018, 08:13:48 AM
Not read any of the Alan Grant Demon issues for years. How does it hold up?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Smith 04 May, 2018, 08:29:59 AM
Pretty good actually.Thou it does lose steam after #21.And you get a whole host of guest writers.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: norton canes 04 May, 2018, 09:24:08 AM
No idea if it was intentional but 'The Slavers of Drule' makes sense when you consider homonyms of 'slavers' and 'drule'.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: I, Cosh 04 May, 2018, 09:46:54 AM
No idea if it was intentional but 'The Slavers of Drule' makes sense when you consider homonyms of 'slavers' and 'drule'.

This one's come up a few times already in this thread and more before. It's definitely intentional.

We had a thread about this a few years ago, but it's always nice to see if any new ones pop up.

Probably this one, in which Adrian Bamforth asks for an explanation of Slavers of Drule, proof that history is cyclical:

http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php/topic,22044.0.html

I was thinking of this one.
http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php/topic,25403.msg437632#msg437632

SBT
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: AlexF 05 May, 2018, 07:52:04 AM
Dan Abnett's latest 'Ammo Amass' pun from Sinister Dexter finally justifies those 4 years of Latin I had to do at school...
So what's the pun?

Sorry, I realise that was rather dickish of me to raise the pun without explaining it!

Thanks to those who chipped in. And, for the sake of completing the loop, I'll point out that 'ammo amass' means 'to put together a large collection of ammunition', an appropriate name for a gun shop. :lol:

(And let's all be grateful Abnett hasn't saddled us with supporting character 'Anus Annie', which would derive from the other 'first bit of Latin Grammar', the declension of the noun 'annus' (year) - annus anne annum anni anno anno anni anni annos annorum annis annis.)

On that note, any Asterix readers might wonder why, when drunk, they all hiccup as 'Hic Haec Hoc' - yup, you've guessed it, that's another bit of Latin grammar listing...
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Magnetica 01 July, 2018, 04:44:05 PM
I’m almost embrassed to say: this week’s tagline “portal enemies”.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Frank 26 August, 2018, 02:33:23 PM

(https://i.imgur.com/TcLPamN.png?5)


Better (25 years) late than never: https://www.manchesterpride.com/page-1/


Context, gentle reader; contex (https://i.imgur.com/e3JpBxy.png?1)t
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 26 August, 2018, 04:13:35 PM
For a very, very unsubtle strip, that went completely over my head too.  I liked Big Dave - and really miss the days when racist, misogynistic, sociopathic boors being lauded as national heroes was only an ironic piece of satire in a comic.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: sheridan 27 August, 2018, 08:53:03 PM
Was IPC owned by Robert Maxwell by the time Maxwell Tower was named?  Looks like Mirror Group had been split off from IPC main by that point (which explains why that 2000AD Quiz Book was printed by Mirror Group, coz they were both sub-divisions of the same company at the time).
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: A.Cow 27 August, 2018, 09:48:03 PM
Was IPC owned by Robert Maxwell by the time Maxwell Tower was named?

I believe the IPC takeover was a couple of years after The Thirteenth Floor began.

It's possible the name was just a play on "Maxwell House" (as in coffee).
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: M.I.K. 27 August, 2018, 10:48:06 PM
It's also possible that at least one of the writers of The Thirteenth Floor was familiar with this building in Falkirk (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Maxwell+Tower,+Seaton+Pl,+Falkirk+FK1+1TF/@55.9958082,-3.7713211,3a,75y,184.34h,92.5t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szeucmDWajEXjAZLkWwWPbA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x48887a274985c2f5:0xf07a760679088653!8m2!3d55.9955937!4d-3.7713199).
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: sheridan 28 August, 2018, 12:59:47 PM
It's also possible that at least one of the writers of The Thirteenth Floor was familiar with this building in Falkirk (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Maxwell+Tower,+Seaton+Pl,+Falkirk+FK1+1TF/@55.9958082,-3.7713211,3a,75y,184.34h,92.5t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szeucmDWajEXjAZLkWwWPbA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x48887a274985c2f5:0xf07a760679088653!8m2!3d55.9955937!4d-3.7713199).

You might be on to something there (had a look at satellite view though, no glass roof).
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Frank 08 November, 2018, 06:03:11 PM

War Marshal Kazan: a military strategist of such genius he was cloned, so his intellect could outlast his limited time on Earth. Loved a chicken metaphor.


(https://i.imgur.com/g1TIvry.png?4)(https://i.imgur.com/rpxNqbd.png?2)


I originally assumed this was just a quirky bit of characterisation by TB Grover, and it probably is, but then I read that a great deal of twisted Nazi theory on race and genetics was shaped by Heinrich Himmler's past as an unsuccessful chicken farmer (https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/pa1151284).

Aha! There's the reference; there's the parallel (if any) being drawn, you say. But then I read that one of Mussolini's catchphrases, describing fascism's slow erosion of civil liberties and democratic institutions, was if you pluck the chicken one feather at a time, nobody notices*

Well, there you go, you think, it's late and I really need to get going - BUT WAIT! Here's actual Russian** dictator, Stalin, describing how he sees all humanity as broilers:

Stalin clenched a chicken in one hand and began plucking feathers in handfuls. The bird squawked in agony, but he continued until the chicken was completely unfeathered.

He put the bird down then held out a handful of grain. The chicken staggered weakly back towards him and started to peck the grain right out of the hand that moments ago had inflicted unbearable pain on it.

Stalin said, “People are like this chicken. It doesn’t matter how much pain you inflict on them. The moment you offer them what they need, they will still follow you and turn to you for their survival" ***


So there we have it. A reference (that's probably not a reference at all, and just a coincidence) explained in a way that connects all of humanity's worst excesses to chickens.

Pulling up a chair in Pseud's Corner, I speculate that, in past times, the first thing most humans would have killed (some as children) was a chicken, and offer the tenuous suggestion that this first act of sadism - or at least indifference to the suffering of another living being - may have left a lasting impression on the way political violence's greatest and most cynical exponents conceptualised the world and expressed themselves.



* https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/madeleine-albright-warns-of-a-new-fascism-and-trump

** Okay, Ukranian

*** The story's obviously apocryphal, but it was told about Stalin (https://medium.com/thrive-global/you-are-bigger-than-your-career-the-stalins-chicken-168a93f58132)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Steve Green 08 November, 2018, 06:43:27 PM
The apocalypso bit being based on Cy Grant's regular slot on 'Tonight' - a few years before my time.

https://youtu.be/1ezY-f383Ik?t=44 (https://youtu.be/1ezY-f383Ik?t=44)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Dash Decent 09 November, 2018, 04:22:01 AM
Loved a chicken metaphor.

[...snip...]

Pulling up a chair in Pseud's Corner, I speculate that, in past times, the first thing most humans would have killed (some as children) was a chicken, and offer the tenuous suggestion that this first act of sadism - or at least indifference to the suffering of another living being - may have left a lasting impression on the way political violence's greatest and most cynical exponents conceptualised the world and expressed themselves.

You can add to the list whatever it was Hitler said about defeating the British being like wringing the neck of a chicken.  I don't know the exact quote, just Churchill's response: "Some chicken.  Some neck."
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JOE SOAP 09 November, 2018, 04:35:41 AM
I believe John Wagner owns/owned some chickens.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: TordelBack 09 November, 2018, 06:57:19 AM
I believe John Wagner owns/owned some chickens.

From this observation we can draw a direct line to the inspiration behind the Alpacalips War.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Frank 09 November, 2018, 07:35:34 AM
I believe John Wagner owns/owned some chickens.

From this observation we can draw a direct line to the inspiration behind the Alpacalips War.

Get out.

We’re not really lama farmers. We’ve got a couple, but they’re pretty useless. You can’t eat them; I suppose you can, but we’d be in trouble if we did. It costs more to get them sheared than the fleece is worth. My partner, Jenny, is now carding, washing, spinning it and making it into a jumper, which I may soon be wearing.

I used to keep 25 hens. I thought I could make a little industry out of this, but I ended up subsidising all the neighbours with the eggs, so I gave that up. The fox helped me - he took away 15 in the space of a few weeks.

https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/2000adthrillcast/episodes/2016-02-09T21_00_00-08_00



: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Steve Green 09 November, 2018, 08:45:35 AM
'Fox'
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Tjm86 09 December, 2018, 04:51:41 PM
Re-reading Ellis and Hitch's Authority at the moment.  The scene where Jenny et al visit RAF Rendlesham features a couple of signs that I missed on first reading, particularly the one that reads "squirrel fondlers please report to Lt Dez Skinn."   :o
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 13 December, 2018, 03:27:43 PM
Zenith Phase 3 - I've just learned from tvtropes.com the reason Thunderbolt Jason's magic belt, which only worked for right and justice, wasn't working for him.

I'd thought it was just a plot device to make him vulnerable like all of the previously mighty heroes therein. Not so - it was a huge clue that what the heroes thought was a noble act of saving the multiverse from the Lloigor was actually, unknown to them, a project to hand it straight to the dark gods in question.

Christ, I love obsessing over Zenith.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Greg M. 13 December, 2018, 05:11:02 PM
Yeah - reading it at the time, I just assumed his belt issues were part of the general mockery of the ineffectiveness of most of the heroes in the face of cosmic horror, but of course Morrison's actually trying to flag up the revelation coming a few episodes later...
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Frank 15 December, 2018, 04:04:40 PM

Not 2000ad, but what the hell. Like everyone else on Earth, I've never seen the UK A Star Is Born rip-off Breaking Glass (https://youtu.be/O-c99rkQlV0?t=136). Google tells me it predated Disney's Tron by 2 years*

(https://i.imgur.com/He3hKFp.png?1)(https://i.imgur.com/eB3Jtyp.png?2)


* The production designer of Breaking Glass was probably ripping off something they'd seen at an art exhibition or a fashion show, but following the Lipstick Traces (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipstick_Traces:_A_Secret_History_of_the_20th_Century) of influence is interesting in itself
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 15 December, 2018, 04:44:34 PM
I've a vague memory of that song from the first time round. Don't think I've heard it since.  I love it. I'm going to listen to it now as I clean my boat.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Frank 15 December, 2018, 04:55:56 PM
I've never seen the UK A Star Is Born rip-off Breaking Glass (https://youtu.be/O-c99rkQlV0?t=136)

I've a vague memory of that song from the first time round. Don't think I've heard it since.  I love it. I'm going to listen to it now as I clean my boat.

The most interesting thing my rabbit hole dive turned up was that the US release of the film ends on that scene and the triumphant note it strikes.

The UK version ends with the main character leaving the stage to find the band have broken up, her relationship's over, and her management have conned her into selling out. She suffers a nervous breakdown on the tube and ends the film drooling in a sanitorium!

Two cultures, divided by more than our common language.


: Re: Things that went over your head...
: M.I.K. 15 December, 2018, 05:41:34 PM
I definitely remember that scene with the outfit being used as an off-the-peg music video for the song at the time, so I don't think it was particularly obscure. I also remember really liking the song, even though I was totally aware it was about the end of the world and everybody dying and I was five.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Dandontdare 16 December, 2018, 03:14:06 AM
I really need to watch breaking glass - I love Hazel O'Connor. Until I watched that vid (followed by Will you) I'd forgotten about the movie, but what a couple of fantastic songs (though I do remember sneaking a look at one of my big brother's collection of bongo mags that featured her in its 'celebrity nudes' section - an old glamour shoot that had her posing on packing crates in some dusty attic *nostalgic sigh*)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 18 December, 2018, 02:56:19 PM
I've just realised that Shaun the Sheep is possibly a pun, which doesn't work in an Irish accent.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Proudhuff 18 December, 2018, 03:21:44 PM
I've a vague memory of that song from the first time round. Don't think I've heard it since.  I love it. I'm going to listen to it now as I clean my boat.

I'm hoping that's not a euphemism  :-[
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Proudhuff 18 December, 2018, 03:23:48 PM
I've just realised that Shaun the Sheep is possibly a pun,

Only if you say it in a clipped accent.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: sheridan 18 December, 2018, 03:34:40 PM
I've just realised that Shaun the Sheep is possibly a pun, which doesn't work in an Irish accent.


Which bit doesn't work in an Irish accent? Shaun / Sean or shorn?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 18 December, 2018, 05:09:50 PM
I've just realised that Shaun the Sheep is possibly a pun, which doesn't work in an Irish accent.


Which bit doesn't work in an Irish accent? Shaun / Sean or shorn?

The 'r ' in shorn would always be pronounced here, so they don't sound the same.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: sheridan 18 December, 2018, 05:11:51 PM
I've just realised that Shaun the Sheep is possibly a pun, which doesn't work in an Irish accent.


Which bit doesn't work in an Irish accent? Shaun / Sean or shorn?

The 'r ' in shorn would always be pronounced here, so they don't sound the same.

(having asked that, I would pronounce them the same, and it took me a while to realise)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 18 December, 2018, 05:28:05 PM
Incidentally when I was living in Beijing, they would play Shaun the Sheep in a loop on screens in subway trains.  I saw Chinese people fighting back tears of stifled laughter looking at it. Some things are funny everywhere.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: O Lucky Stevie! 19 December, 2018, 04:28:07 AM
My grud...

Ro-Busters is a pun on 'robust'!

HOW HAVE I NEVER SEEN THAT?!?

"I ain't afraid of no robe..."
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Frank 22 December, 2018, 11:44:30 PM

The black leather and fishnet-vested German acapella group in Pitch Perfect 2 are called Das Sound Machine (https://youtu.be/VngeoOy-nFs?t=14). DSM: there are lines about the girls having to beatDSM or how they can never beDSM (https://youtu.be/Y2otY8nVEsI).

Possibly the least audience appropriate observation I've made on this forum, and that's including all the ones about Derrida.


: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Spikes 01 January, 2019, 05:26:03 PM
I really need to watch breaking glass - I love Hazel O'Connor. Until I watched that vid (followed by Will you) I'd forgotten about the movie, but what a couple of fantastic songs (though I do remember sneaking a look at one of my big brother's collection of bongo mags that featured her in its 'celebrity nudes' section - an old glamour shoot that had her posing on packing crates in some dusty attic *nostalgic sigh*)


Always had a soft spot for Breaking Glass - it's cheesy and overwrought in equal measure, but I loves it.

Hazel was touring the UK recently, and I caught her at the Engine Shed in Lincoln. Great night - A showing of the film, plus a Q&A afterwards and then she performed songs from the film, and elsewhere, for over an hour.

You certainly get yer moneys worth with Hazel.

: Re: Things that went over your head...
: I, Cosh 22 January, 2019, 05:13:09 PM
"Thread Zero" is Scojo!
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Lobo Baggins 22 January, 2019, 05:32:55 PM
"Thread Zero" is Scojo!

Some of it is... some of it is my other username Bone Machine.

Don't know how that happened - I think I was changing my screen name at the exact moment that Scojo got his final ban. Or something.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: norton canes 23 January, 2019, 08:21:26 AM
In The A.B.C. Warriors, Zippo's head is shaped like... yeah.

Also, having picked up a few back progs in a charity shop last weekend, I've just realized that the bunch of seven 'evil' Volgan robots with a grudge against each A.B.C. Warrior, that featured in last year's stories, were first introduced ten years ago.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: I, Cosh 23 January, 2019, 08:31:09 AM
"Thread Zero" is Scojo!
Some of it is... some of it is my other username Bone Machine.

Don't know how that happened - I think I was changing my screen name at the exact moment that Scojo got his final ban. Or something.
That's even weirder, but does make sense of why I've seen your avatar in there before.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: norton canes 29 January, 2019, 01:51:12 PM
COMPU 73E

Is supposed to say ... 'Computee'?

Hmm. Maybe not.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 29 January, 2019, 09:26:22 PM
Given that The Boys was post 9/11 and set in an alternative universe, this was either a beautiful coincidence or, more likely, a piece of dialogue / scenery juxtaposing worthy of Alan Moore.

Went way over my head the first time round.

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-eUcJvU3zLPE/W353lcXssGI/AAAAAAAAHvM/LBFA2RlD4QsEMGD9hzkCkXcS_cZyXvOxQCHMYCw/s1600/RCO0)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: A.Cow 30 January, 2019, 05:01:26 AM
I was born 10 years too late to get this cracking reference from Prog 454:

(https://i.ibb.co/bm0WCFW/prog-454-cyril-lord.jpg)

Followed-up with a flooring-focused double-tap.  Quality!
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 30 January, 2019, 08:02:59 AM
Love it!
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Dash Decent 30 January, 2019, 09:35:42 AM
Followed-up with a flooring-focused double-tap.  Quality!
"You'll be on the carpet for this!" - Love it!

And that the Judge in question is named Wilton (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClf86j8Lne7DvlrStupM-NQ).
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: ming 31 January, 2019, 12:23:24 PM
Followed-up with a flooring-focused double-tap.  Quality!
"You'll be on the carpet for this!" - Love it!

And that the Judge in question is named Wilton (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClf86j8Lne7DvlrStupM-NQ).

Ah, that's the stuff that makes this thread shine so bright...  Love it!
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: WhizzBang 02 February, 2019, 03:22:45 PM
I have just noticed today that Sonic Youth have a track called Skip Tracer. Does 'Skip Tracer' mean something or did Sonic Youth make it up?
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: broodblik 02 February, 2019, 03:26:06 PM
I have just noticed today that Sonic Youth have a track called Skip Tracer. Does 'Skip Tracer' mean something or did Sonic Youth make it up?

Skip tracing is an industry term used to describe the process of locating a fugitive that can't be found at their place of residence or usual hangouts. “Skip” refers to the person being searched for (derived from the term “to skip town”) and “tracing” meaning the act of locating the skip.
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: WhizzBang 03 February, 2019, 12:28:37 PM
Thanks. The strip name probably has nothing to do with SY then.
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: PsychoGoatee 03 February, 2019, 10:21:26 PM
Thanks. The strip name probably has nothing to do with SY then.

The Brass Sun story "Motor Head" has got to be named after the legendary band though, at least.

I've never seen the UK A Star Is Born rip-off Breaking Glass (https://youtu.be/O-c99rkQlV0?t=136)

I've a vague memory of that song from the first time round. Don't think I've heard it since.  I love it. I'm going to listen to it now as I clean my boat.

The most interesting thing my rabbit hole dive turned up was that the US release of the film ends on that scene and the triumphant note it strikes.

The UK version ends with the main character leaving the stage to find the band have broken up, her relationship's over, and her management have conned her into selling out. She suffers a nervous breakdown on the tube and ends the film drooling in a sanitorium!

Two cultures, divided by more than our common language.

Eh, there are plenty of great US movies that end on a down note. And I don't feel we're particularly divided, as far as cultures go. But every culture has differences.
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: PsychoGoatee 03 February, 2019, 10:37:01 PM
Plus you're talking about a movie edit from 1980. These days if a downbeat drama gets distributed from overseas, they're a lot less likely to tack on a happy ending. Along with a lot of other reasons why I find that kind of "us vs them" generalizing mentality to not really apply much.
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: A.Cow 05 February, 2019, 02:40:03 AM
The Brass Sun story "Motor Head" has got to be named after the legendary band though, at least.

Three of the other Brass Sun story titles seem to be references to highly-regarded sci-fi/fantasy titles:

The first storyline doesn't fit this pattern, although there is a spurious link to fantasy author Neil Gaiman:

And yet, aside from the band, the only other famous Motor Head seems to be a fella from Frank Zappa's band.
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: sheridan 05 February, 2019, 10:12:37 AM
The Brass Sun story "Motor Head" has got to be named after the legendary band though, at least.

And yet, aside from the band, the only other famous Motor Head seems to be a fella from Frank Zappa's band.

Originally Motorhead was a song written by Lemmy while he was in Hawkwind (the subject of which is speed).
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: Dandontdare 05 February, 2019, 11:23:34 AM
The Brass Sun story "Motor Head" has got to be named after the legendary band though, at least.

And yet, aside from the band, the only other famous Motor Head seems to be a fella from Frank Zappa's band.

Originally Motorhead was a song written by Lemmy while he was in Hawkwind (the subject of which is speed).

One of my favourites - gotta love a song that manages to rhyme "parallelogram"!

FROM: https://www.loudersound.com/features/the-story-behind-the-song-motorhead-by-motorhead

...with a song that Hawkwind dismissed as no more than a B-side, he had the template for a new band. Having teamed up with guitarist Larry Wallis and drummer Lucas Fox, Lemmy originally named his new band Bastard. But, as he recalls: “A friend told him: ‘You probably won’t get a lot of Top Of The Pops action with a name like that.’ So I went with Motörhead.”
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: PsychoGoatee 05 February, 2019, 04:47:11 PM
For sure, I enjoyed two Lemmy books over the last year or so, his autobiography and the later biography called Lemmy. I think his band is legendary enough that it'd be quite tough to name something that without it being a nod. Plus Lemmy has even been featured in 2000AD.
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: Leigh S 05 February, 2019, 04:57:50 PM
And Edgington was only the other day on the 2000ad thrill cast talking about his love of Heavy Metal (and the Iron Maiden comic he has has been involved with?)
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: JayzusB.Christ 08 February, 2019, 10:48:34 PM
For sure, I enjoyed two Lemmy books over the last year or so, his autobiography and the later biography called Lemmy. I think his band is legendary enough that it'd be quite tough to name something that without it being a nod. Plus Lemmy has even been featured in 2000AD.


I seem to recall a photo of him eating a prog.
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: Funt Solo 09 February, 2019, 12:04:42 AM
(https://thevintagetoyadvertiser.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/lemmy-2000-ad-2000-ad-scifispecial-1987-post.jpg)
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: sheridan 09 February, 2019, 10:00:47 AM
For sure, I enjoyed two Lemmy books over the last year or so, his autobiography and the later biography called Lemmy. I think his band is legendary enough that it'd be quite tough to name something that without it being a nod. Plus Lemmy has even been featured in 2000AD.


(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/98/ba/8e/98ba8e919977cbcfd1c6f9febfae9c87.jpg)
(https://thevintagetoyadvertiser.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/lemmy-2000-ad-2000-ad-scifispecial-1987-post.jpg)
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: sheridan 09 February, 2019, 10:01:23 AM
(https://thevintagetoyadvertiser.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/lemmy-2000-ad-2000-ad-scifispecial-1987-post.jpg)

Beat me to it!
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: PsychoGoatee 09 February, 2019, 11:02:20 PM
Hell yeah, that rules.  :D
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: Jacqusie 28 March, 2019, 10:04:40 PM
Bryan Talbot's Grandville and The Adventures of Luther Arkwright

...must have been an Open all Hours fan our Bryan...

Did he do anything based on Nurse Gladys Emmanuel I wonder?  :)

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: pert 05 April, 2019, 01:08:38 PM
GIs and Dolls was obviously a reference to Guys And Dolls
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: sheridan 05 April, 2019, 01:24:06 PM
GIs and Dolls was obviously a reference to Guys And Dolls

In the same era of Rogue, all the following are titles I wouldn't have recognised at the time, as I hadn't come across the original being referenced:
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: sheridan 05 April, 2019, 01:24:42 PM
...and Judge Dredd around the same time - I'd never heard of High Society before that orbiting luxury condo.
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: ming 05 April, 2019, 01:58:39 PM
While reading the last couple of episodes of Grey Area it finally popped into my head that BEM probably stands for Bug-Eyed Monster... Or does it?
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: sheridan 05 April, 2019, 06:00:51 PM
While reading the last couple of episodes of Grey Area it finally popped into my head that BEM probably stands for Bug-Eyed Monster... Or does it?

That's the usual meaning of the acronym (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bug-eyed_monster).
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: Leigh S 05 April, 2019, 10:28:55 PM
milliput is a play on Lilliput!  Not 2000ad I know, but mind, blown.
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: Jacqusie 02 May, 2019, 11:24:28 PM
The Vestal Virgin 'Mater Clementia' who fought Felix and Aquilla in the fall of Rome...

...and that strange lady on the front cover of the album 'Goats Head Soup' by The Rolling Stones

I think so anyway!  :thumbsup:


Btw, just re-reading Aqullia and marvelling at just how good it all was...


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: GordonR 02 May, 2019, 11:53:15 PM
The Mater Clementia comes from various creepy-looking statues of veiled Vestal Virgins, but especially the famous 19th century one at Chatsworth House in Derbyshire.

With a bit of vintage Dario Argento thrown in.

Not familiar with the Stones album, but I imagine they were riffing from the same source.
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: sheridan 03 May, 2019, 12:06:10 AM
The Vestal Virgin 'Mater Clementia' who fought Felix and Aquilla in the fall of Rome...

...and that strange lady on the front cover of the album 'Goats Head Soup' by The Rolling Stones


I wasn't familiar with the album cover, so looked it up.  That ain't no lady - it's Mick Jagger!
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: JayzusB.Christ 13 May, 2019, 09:51:57 PM
My Wicker Man obsession intensifies at this time of year, and I thought I'd managed to uncover every single reference in it by now.  But then I find that the music that accompanies Eddie Woodward being dressed in sacrificial robes and paraded towards his play place of execution is a real medieval song with lyrics that celebrate summer, just like Summer is Icumen In..
https://youtu.be/7UvesKl8_W8 (https://youtu.be/7UvesKl8_W8)

P.S. this is the first May in years I haven't managed to find an actual wicker man burning ceremony and wear an appropriate costume for it. Next year!
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: Dash Decent 17 May, 2019, 10:48:51 AM
It's not over my head, but I just want to give a nod to "Noam Chimpsky".  I like it!
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: Lobo Baggins 17 May, 2019, 12:31:40 PM
It's not over my head, but I just want to give a nod to "Noam Chimpsky".  I like it!

That one was already a thing, though...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nim_Chimpsky (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nim_Chimpsky)
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: Dash Decent 18 May, 2019, 12:46:02 PM
Thanks Lobo, in that case it was over my head.

I'm familiar with Noam Chomsky, but not Nim (Neam) Chimpsky.
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: Frank 22 May, 2019, 01:52:29 PM

Honestly not sure whether this is something you all need to sit down for or if it's the equivalent of telling someone that Spock's mum was called T'Pau.

(https://i.imgur.com/YqzApda.png?2)(https://i.imgur.com/VZyjghd.png?3)
(https://i.imgur.com/33H01BG.png?2)

My excuse is that I'd never tasted a quince in the eighties, and certainly didn't know they looked a little like mishapen heads. I got the mince connection, obviously, since mince (boiled until it was grey) was the default dinner option for every Scottish mum between WWII and the fall of the Berlin wall.

Should have known; Wagner and Grant were partial to a bit of Quince (https://i.imgur.com/z7LyXw9.png). *


* Wagner, Grant & Ezquerra, Prog 190, less than a year before that panel from The Hotdog Run (233)
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: sheridan 22 May, 2019, 02:22:06 PM
Quince must be the plural form of (Banjo) Quint (https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/britishcomics/images/f/f6/The_Helltrekkers.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140604081140)
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: Theblazeuk 22 May, 2019, 03:51:28 PM
Man that Nim Chimpsky link is but one of the things I love about this place, cheers.
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: Dandontdare 24 May, 2019, 09:43:30 AM
I wasn't an Eagle reader in the 80s, but I'm enjoying the Where Eagles Dare podcast - I have only just learned from the latest episode where forum veteran The Amstor Computer got his name from.
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: Lobo Baggins 24 May, 2019, 09:46:37 AM
Man that Nim Chimpsky link is but one of the things I love about this place, cheers.

I just hope that they gave him that orange in the end...
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: Dash Decent 25 May, 2019, 03:23:19 AM
Mind the oranges, Nim!
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: The Amstor Computer 25 May, 2019, 05:50:53 PM
I wasn't an Eagle reader in the 80s, but I'm enjoying the Where Eagles Dare podcast - I have only just learned from the latest episode where forum veteran The Amstor Computer got his name from.

Yup! Always had a soft spot for the series in the Eagle, and it just stuck :)
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: JayzusB.Christ 25 May, 2019, 08:49:03 PM
I wasn't an Eagle reader in the 80s, but I'm enjoying the Where Eagles Dare podcast - I have only just learned from the latest episode where forum veteran The Amstor Computer got his name from.

Yup! Always had a soft spot for the series in the Eagle, and it just stuck :)

I remember that era of Eagle fondly, if somewhat vaguely. Walk or Die always stuck in my head, and prepared me for the horrors of the first grown-up novel I ever read, Lord of the Flies.
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: sheridan 25 May, 2019, 09:21:14 PM
I wasn't an Eagle reader in the 80s, but I'm enjoying the Where Eagles Dare podcast - I have only just learned from the latest episode where forum veteran The Amstor Computer got his name from.

Yup! Always had a soft spot for the series in the Eagle, and it just stuck :)

I remember that era of Eagle fondly, if somewhat vaguely. Walk or Die always stuck in my head, and prepared me for the horrors of the first grown-up novel I ever read, Lord of the Flies.

Don't remember Walk or Die - my non-2000AD IPC era was Scream!, Battle Action Force, Billy's Boots and Martin's Marvellous Mini in Tiger, photostrip changing to conventional Doomlord, Manix, One-Eyed Jack in Eagle.
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: Lobo Baggins 30 May, 2019, 12:29:27 PM
Oh! Fillmore Faro from the Judge Child Quest pronounced his last name as "Pharaoh" and not "Far-oh"!

I see! That explains all the Egyptian stuff...
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: JayzusB.Christ 30 May, 2019, 04:13:45 PM
Oh! Fillmore Faro from the Judge Child Quest pronounced his last name as "Pharaoh" and not "Far-oh"!

I see! That explains all the Egyptian stuff...

Bloody hell.  I missed that too
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: Dandontdare 30 May, 2019, 07:30:33 PM
I thought it was also very clever to set it in Memphis (Tennessee as opposed to Egypt)
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: JayzusB.Christ 01 June, 2019, 10:36:38 PM
Well, I got that part of it, at least.
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: The Legendary Shark 01 June, 2019, 11:00:48 PM

Torchwood, I've just discovered, is an anagram of Doctor Who.

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: sheridan 03 June, 2019, 08:52:38 PM
Torchwood, I've just discovered, is an anagram of Doctor Who.

It was also the codename for new who before it was released, so that nobody would know what they were working on - they liked the codename so much they put it in the story.
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: The Legendary Shark 03 June, 2019, 09:30:26 PM

I didn't know that, either.

Worst. Nerd. Ever. :(

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: JayzusB.Christ 08 June, 2019, 07:13:42 PM
I'm half-proud to say I knew the Torchwood thing.  Worked it out myself. (Did I fuck - I saw it on the internet. Never even watched it.)

That said, I've just realised that the Great Beard, the nickname of a writer who is the best in his field, is a play on the Great Bard, the nickname of a writer who is the best in his field.

In other news, after an Auf Wiedersehen Pet YouTube marathon, I've just discovered that Brian Johnson from AC / DC is a Geordie, not an Ozzer.
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: sheridan 09 June, 2019, 01:25:48 PM
That said, I've just realised that the Great Beard, the nickname of a writer who is the best in his field, is a play on the Great Bard, the nickname of a writer who is the best in his field.

Would the Great Beard also be known as 'The Original Author' when his work is adapted for film?
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: Frank 09 June, 2019, 01:46:55 PM

(https://i.imgur.com/yrusjxT.png?2)


https://www.amtrak.com/home


Return To Armageddon - Return, as in single, half-fare, or day saver. Thanks to Morgan Spiceman on the 1977-2000ad Facebook group.


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: JayzusB.Christ 09 June, 2019, 02:06:59 PM
That said, I've just realised that the Great Beard, the nickname of a writer who is the best in his field, is a play on the Great Bard, the nickname of a writer who is the best in his field.

Would the Great Beard also be known as 'The Original Author' when his work is adapted for film?

Naah. None of his comics have ever been made into films.
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: hippynumber1 11 June, 2019, 10:20:28 AM
Random, I know, but the chipmunks Chip and Dale - Chip ‘n’ Dale - Chippendale! FFS!
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: Frank 23 June, 2019, 11:55:57 AM

(https://i.imgur.com/eYNgGwy.png?1)(https://i.imgur.com/DVSYw7W.png?4)

Thanks to Bruce Gray and Alan Marshall of the 1977 Group (https://www.facebook.com/groups/4727793513/permalink/10158136896528514/).  Few strips have the benefit of the same writer for forty years.


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: norton canes 04 July, 2019, 10:43:34 AM
'The Mills'
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: I, Cosh 04 July, 2019, 11:15:16 AM
'The Mills'
What part? I just read it as a direct reference to the Dark, Satanic ones from Jerusalem.
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: sheridan 04 July, 2019, 11:58:21 AM
'The Mills'

Which story are you referring to?
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: norton canes 04 July, 2019, 02:59:23 PM
The current Absalom chapter. I thought it might be a sly reference to another 'Mills'.
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: Frank 04 July, 2019, 05:31:05 PM
The current Absalom chapter. I thought it might be a sly reference to another 'Mills'.

(https://i.imgur.com/c5aEy4D.png?2)


It's not a great likeness. The Rest Of The Board are probably right, and it's just an on-the-nose Blake reference, but the tenets of reader reception theory say we should all get a speedboat.

I've only read one previous chapter of Abslalom, and the same thing did occur to me then, so I think it's probably safe to say you and me are geniuses who can see the code of the Matrix.


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: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) 09 July, 2019, 10:39:36 PM
Not prog related, but...
"Open sesame". Open, says-a-me.
Never got that. Not until tonight when it was made obvious by an eleven year old actor in a school performance of 'Ali Baba and the Bongo Bandits'. I feel like an idiot.

SBT
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: sheridan 09 July, 2019, 11:49:56 PM
Not prog related, but...
"Open sesame". Open, says-a-me.
Never got that. Not until tonight when it was made obvious by an eleven year old actor in a school performance of 'Ali Baba and the Bongo Bandits'. I feel like an idiot.

SBT

Probably helps if you saw Popeye the Sailor Meets Ali Baba's Forty Thieves (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qia-QoAmiVI) when you were eight or so, as I did!
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: M.I.K. 10 July, 2019, 04:40:57 AM
I saw said Popeye cartoon too, (probably at an even earlier age), but a variation of "open sesame" seems to have first cropped up in an 18th Century French version of 1001 Nights, so I think the fact it sounds like "says-a-me" is merely a coinkydink.
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: Trout 18 July, 2019, 03:18:50 AM
Wait... Otto Sump is Donald Trump? I’m just re-reading Get Ugly and he lives in Sump Tower. Whaaaaaat
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: Funt Solo 18 July, 2019, 07:22:01 AM
...which was built in 1980, when that strip was published.   :o
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: GordonR 18 July, 2019, 07:56:32 AM
Trump Tower was completed in 1983.  I doubt anyone in the UK had really heard of just another New York property developer Donald Trump when that story appeared years earlier.

When I lived in NY in 1987, he was definitely becoming A Thing by then, at least in the US.  By 1990, he and Trump Tower were well enough known to be majorly lampooned in Gremlins 2
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: M.I.K. 19 July, 2019, 03:42:54 PM
I'm sure I knew of Donald (and Ivana) Trump by the late 80s, and made the connection with Otto Sump around the same time. I definitely first heard of Ivana when she was still married to Donald, so that's pre-1991.

They were certainly both famous enough by the end of the 90s to warrant Ivana appearing as a guest on TFI Friday.
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: Frank 19 July, 2019, 06:13:36 PM
I'm sure I knew of Donald (and Ivana) Trump by the late 80s, and made the connection with Otto Sump around the same time. I definitely first heard of Ivana when she was still married to Donald, so that's pre-1991

Like this guy, I've been familiar with Donald Trump since at least 1992:

(https://i.imgur.com/5m5ghKE.png?1)
He's always looked and dressed like shit. He's exactly as bald in this image as he is today, although he no longer draws his eyebrows with a sharpie.

I first became aware of him as a punchline on Saturday Night Clive, a year or more earlier, when his affair and impending divorce had US tabloids salivating so much at the prospect of his spouse taking him to the cleaners that the story made it over the Atlantic.

The publicity from that made him and Maples a sort of low rent celebrity couple for a while - the kind that got their pictures in UK tabloids but needed a caption to tell you who they were - but I can't remember reading or knowing much else about him until they divorced.

I heard nothing else about him* until the You've Been Trumped (https://youtu.be/fsfLTvnzwI8) documentary about him playing the Scottish Government like Elmer Gantry (https://youtu.be/ZDOI0cq6GZM) and The Daily Show's coverage of the Birther (https://youtu.be/HHckZCxdRkA?t=160) movement. I had no idea he'd become a game show host until then.

So then I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time.


* I remember my brother telling me about the billboards all over Atlantic City - TRUMP: THE BIG NAME IN ATLANTIC CITY and laughing at the tawdriness of it, but I think I assumed that was just an extension of his failed property development empire, rather than the beginning of his failed gambling empire
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: The Amstor Computer 19 July, 2019, 06:42:30 PM
Trump Tower was completed in 1983.  I doubt anyone in the UK had really heard of just another New York property developer Donald Trump when that story appeared years earlier.

When I lived in NY in 1987, he was definitely becoming A Thing by then, at least in the US.  By 1990, he and Trump Tower were well enough known to be majorly lampooned in Gremlins 2

Likely correct - Sump first appeared in 1979, and none of the early stories featuring him seem to have any connection to Trump beyond the similar-sounding name.

The only counterargument I can think of would be that (if I remember correctly) Wagner and Grant have said in a few interviews that they used to devour newspapers to help come up with ideas for Dredd, so it's possible that by the time "Otto Sump's Ugly Clinic" rolled around the ongoing construction of Trump Tower had been mentioned in at least some of the more international-minded newspapers (or possibly mentioned on TV) and when it came to naming the tower Sump had bought, the Trump/Sump Tower conceit was fun enough for them to run with.
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: Funt Solo 19 July, 2019, 07:03:15 PM
I don't think a few pesky facts should get in the way of a good theory!

See also: flat earth (gaining popularity these days as what were once isolated idiots are connected by the power of the Infobahn), faked moon landings (in which basically every other resident of the planet is in on the conspiracy except for those persecuted few that believe it) and the utterly splendid "right-angled contrails mean we're being drugged by the government" (introduced to me on this very board by a true believer).

It'll be child's play to get this Sump/Trump thing off the ground.  (Honestly, I'd believe it's equally likely to be a coincidence or an actual factual homage based on knowing a bit about what's going on in the New York business community circa the late 70s / early 80s.)
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: Frank 19 July, 2019, 07:47:05 PM
Wagner and Grant have said in a few interviews that they used to devour newspapers to help come up with ideas for Dredd, so it's possible that by the time "Otto Sump's Ugly Clinic" rolled around the ongoing construction of Trump Tower had been mentioned in at least some of the more international-minded newspapers (or possibly mentioned on TV)

Wagner's a US citizen. Although he was probably too skint to visit family in 1980 and I'm not sure Trump's NYC minor celebrity status would have meant much in Pennsylvania.

I don't think it's a DJT reference, but I'm not sure the OP does either. Sometimes coincidences are just so interesting you want to share them and it's a shame to pass up any opportunity to take the piss out of Trump for how weird he's always looked:

(https://i.imgur.com/ZUJJ7Ka.png?1)
One strong gust and that wispy fringe is a goner. Note the head-to-shoulder-width ratio - and that's with padding


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: JayzusB.Christ 19 July, 2019, 08:24:26 PM
They used to speak about his 'Robert Redford good looks' back then.  Gold-tinted glasses, it would seem.

At least Otto was only ugly on the outside.
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: sheridan 19 July, 2019, 08:56:05 PM
The first time I saw a parody of Trump was probably Back to the Future II - and, along with loads of other people in this country, I'd have had no idea who it was a parody of (even though I may have heard of Ivana on the afore-mentioned Clive James show).  I'd also have seen Elijah Wood in the same film, but nobody on either side of the Atlantic would have known who he was at the time :-)

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/bttf/images/4/4c/Wild_Gunman_kids.jpg)
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: Trout 20 July, 2019, 02:30:30 PM
Ah well. I'm happy to accept it as a coincidence and not a reference.

Mayor Jim Grubb, however, was based on a man who had a newsagents shop in a village near Dundee. I know this for a factor because John Wagner told me.  :D
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: Leigh S 26 July, 2019, 05:30:13 PM
Strontium DOG Johnny Alpha(got that one)'s partner WULF Sternhammer

And we slate GFD....
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: Dandontdare 26 July, 2019, 08:31:40 PM
Mayor Jim Grubb, however, was based on a man who had a newsagents shop in a village near Dundee. I know this for a factor because John Wagner told me.  :D

My old mate from Peebles who I was at Dundee Uni with always drags out the anecdote of how he met "the real Fergee" - ie some guy he met in a pub who claimed that the character had been based on him - I've always been skeptical, but has John ever mentioned the inspiration for the king of the Big Smelly?
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: Frank 31 July, 2019, 05:44:52 PM

(https://i.imgur.com/OTI2wrw.png?2)

BBC Archive have made their Oscar-winning documentary The War Game available on iPlayer (https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02zy7nt). It wasn't broadcast until 1985, but it'd be interesting to know whether bolshy Trot TB Grover saw it at the pictures:

https://youtu.be/6KQMwpTZStY


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: Tjm86 31 July, 2019, 09:02:19 PM
It wasn't broadcast until 1985, but it'd be interesting to know whether bolshy Trot TB Grover saw it at the pictures:

Especially since, IIRC, it was not originally released in cinemas, in fact the BBC chose to restrict access to a highly select audience so for a looooong time its reputation was largely anecdotal.  Worth bearing in mind the level of nuclear hysteria that was prevalent around the time of the Apocalypse War, though. 
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: Frank 31 July, 2019, 09:32:13 PM
It wasn't broadcast until 1985, but it'd be interesting to know whether bolshy Trot TB Grover saw it at the pictures:

Especially since, IIRC, it was not originally released in cinemas

The War Game was given an X-rating by the BBFC (https://bbfc.co.uk/releases/war-game) and released in UK cinemas in November 1965 (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059894/releaseinfo?ref_=tt_ql_dt_2).

It sounds like it probably only played on the arthouse and university circuit here, but like I say, it won an Academy Award (https://www.oscars.org/oscars/ceremonies/1967). The director, Peter Watkins, was the same cat who made the Culloden (https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/SJqjSQ243JckRSr7Tpj2XZ/televising-the-revolution-how-peter-watkins-went-to-war) documentary in the style of Vietnam newsreel.


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: Dash Decent 31 July, 2019, 11:06:39 PM
Strontium DOG Johnny Alpha(got that one)'s partner WULF Sternhammer

And we slate GFD....

Don’t forget that Wulf is big, making him a ‘Great Dane’. Alpha’s helmet has a dog-nose appearance to it, and the SD badge looks like the tag on Scooby-Doo’s collar!

I won’t skate them for puns or dog references. I loved all those bits - “Next prog: Dog-gone!” etc.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Tjm86 01 August, 2019, 12:35:17 PM

The War Game was given an X-rating by the BBFC (https://bbfc.co.uk/releases/war-game) and released in UK cinemas in November 1965 (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059894/releaseinfo?ref_=tt_ql_dt_2).


Thank you for clarifying my ignorance.  I'd based my understanding in part on Watkins' own recollections which omitted the subsequent, apparently limited, general release by the BFI.  He was slightly more than a little put out by the way in which the BBC handled the matter at the time, it seems.
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: TordelBack 01 August, 2019, 07:54:43 PM
Strontium DOG Johnny Alpha(got that one)'s partner WULF Sternhammer

Oh FFS.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Leigh S 02 August, 2019, 12:05:41 AM
What can I say, the sternHAMMER misdirection worked - Wagner = master magician!

Strontium DOG Johnny Alpha(got that one)'s partner WULF Sternhammer

Oh FFS.
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: JayzusB.Christ 06 August, 2019, 10:12:12 PM
Shaky Kane. Chaka Khan.  Probably unintentional but it just crossed my mind today (and i spent the next hour with an earworm consisting of 'Shaky Kane' sung repeatedly in disco stylee).
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: I, Cosh 06 August, 2019, 11:33:57 PM
Shaky Kane. Chaka Khan.  Probably unintentional but it just crossed my mind today (and i spent the next hour with an earworm consisting of 'Shaky Kane' sung repeatedly in disco stylee).
Seems a bit of a stretch, but I'm too Scotch to get some English puns.

You know about GBH (dead) though?
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: Dandontdare 06 August, 2019, 11:42:47 PM
ummm .. no?
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: M.I.K. 07 August, 2019, 05:46:27 AM
I kind o' always assumed Shaky Kane was indeed a pun on Chaka Khan, while simultaneously being a (probably self-deprecating) reference to Bob Kane, with added possibility of intention to conjure up a mental image of a stick-brandishing codger.

...and maybe Shakin' Stevens.
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: I, Cosh 07 August, 2019, 09:51:53 AM
ummm .. no?

If this was a reply to me sorry for the delay. I was hoping Frank would swoop in with an appropriate scan.

GBH (Dead) was an exiled Sha'Ka'Kan warrior.
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: Dandontdare 07 August, 2019, 02:10:12 PM
haha no, that one DID go over my head.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 07 August, 2019, 08:00:27 PM
ummm .. no?

If this was a reply to me sorry for the delay. I was hoping Frank would swoop in with an appropriate scan.

GBH (Dead) was an exiled Sha'Ka'Kan warrior.

I actually got that one, for once.  Just thinking about GBH (Dead) yesterday. What a great character.  Hard as nails, crazy-looking, with the voice of an old English aristocrat.
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: TordelBack 07 August, 2019, 08:02:48 PM
I was going to observe that GBH (Dead) must be one of the most unique comics character designs, but then I realised that could apply to the entire crew of the Speedo Ghost.

T.B. Grover and the Maestro, a neutron star collision of pure creation.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 08 August, 2019, 05:02:55 PM
I've just remembered that I'm friends with Shaky on Facebook, or I was last time I checked. I'll ask him about the chaka khan thing.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Steve Green 09 August, 2019, 09:27:25 AM
The unfortunate lab assistant in the DNA man is called Beaker after the muppet.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: sheridan 09 August, 2019, 01:08:44 PM
The unfortunate lab assistant in the DNA man is called Beaker after the muppet.

Anyone would think you'd been listening to the latest Space Spinner 2000 (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=44366.msg1010828#msg1010828)!
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: Steve Green 09 August, 2019, 04:41:02 PM
Always
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: Frank 08 September, 2019, 03:12:41 PM

(https://i.imgur.com/37HBfR8.png?2)(https://i.imgur.com/IDiatJF.png?3)


Who exactly was Moore talking to in the Northampton Arts Lab?


Glass shattered high above Seventh Avenue in Manhattan before dawn on a cold November morning in 1953. Seconds later, a body hit the sidewalk.

The night manager peered up through the darkness at his hulking hotel. After a few moments, he picked out a curtain flapping through an open window. Police officers entered room 1018A with guns drawn. They saw no one. The window was open.

Decades later, spectacular revelations cast the death in a completely new light. The victim was disturbed about his work with the CIA and wanted to quit, leading his comrades to consider him a security risk. This was no light matter for men who believed that the success or failure of project MK-Ultra might determine the fate of the US, and all humanity.


The Guardian: How A Deadly Fall Revealed The CIA's Deadliest Secrets (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/sep/06/from-mind-control-to-murder-how-a-deadly-fall-revealed-the-cias-darkest-secrets)

A Netflix series, Wormwood (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b01DL8DTUGM), covers this story from the point of view from Olson's family.


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: JOE SOAP 08 September, 2019, 04:05:11 PM
Who exactly was Moore talking to in the Northampton Arts Lab?

A Netflix series, Wormwood (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b01DL8DTUGM), covers this story from the point of view from Olson's family.

The Olson tale first got into the mainstream via the original source book for these stories Operation Mind Control (https://www.amazon.com/dp/1543022618/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_2?pf_rd_p=aeebc627-7ecf-4129-8c0c-1d437f271eca&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=0440167558&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=9VAJ9A4EHQ6WWRNAWKA3&pf_rd_r=9VAJ9A4EHQ6WWRNAWKA3&pf_rd_p=aeebc627-7ecf-4129-8c0c-1d437f271eca) (1978) by Walter Bowart. Another referred to in the book was the story of Candy Jones (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candy_Jones) who cliamed to be a victim of the same programme – David Fincher was trying to get it made into a film at one point.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Frank 08 September, 2019, 04:34:33 PM
Who exactly was Moore talking to in the Northampton Arts Lab?

A Netflix series, Wormwood (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b01DL8DTUGM), covers this story from the point of view from Olson's family.

The Olson tale first got into the mainstream via the original source book for these stories Operation Mind Control (https://www.amazon.com/dp/1543022618/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_2?pf_rd_p=aeebc627-7ecf-4129-8c0c-1d437f271eca&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=0440167558&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=9VAJ9A4EHQ6WWRNAWKA3&pf_rd_r=9VAJ9A4EHQ6WWRNAWKA3&pf_rd_p=aeebc627-7ecf-4129-8c0c-1d437f271eca) (1978) by Walter Bowart. Another referred to in the book was the story of Candy Jones (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candy_Jones) who cliamed to be a victim of the same programme – David Fincher was trying to get it made into a film at one point.

I haven't read Operation Mind Control, but the Olson's family's 1975 meeting with Gerald Ford appears to have sold them on the new cover story, that his death was an acid freak-out. It was their meeting with Gottlieb in 1984 that raised suspicions and the autopsy in the nineties revealed the head trauma and lack of toxins.


How A Deadly Fall Revealed The CIA's Deadliest Secrets ... Wormwood covers this story from the point of view from Olson's family

The CIA made me do that.


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: Rackle 08 September, 2019, 05:40:49 PM
Not prog related, but...
"Open sesame". Open, says-a-me.
Never got that. Not until tonight when it was made obvious by an eleven year old actor in a school performance of 'Ali Baba and the Bongo Bandits'. I feel like an idiot.

SBT

Well I just learnt something today. Guess I am a little bit less of an idiot now.  :)
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: Frank 20 September, 2019, 10:02:12 PM

As pointed out by Jim Craig of the Megaverse (https://www.facebook.com/groups/2000admegaverse/permalink/2238788902948968/?comment_id=2238876796273512) group, Ezquerra's unusual boot holster design found favour with at least one fan:


(https://i.imgur.com/Iox5d2q.png)             (https://i.imgur.com/BA27WXY.png)

   1976      1983



Art from Bank Raid, Wagner & Ezquerra's first, unpublished Dredd strip. Image taken from the 1981 Judge Dredd Annual, which printed the story with all the spicy dialogue (https://helpers.seattlereviewofbooks.com/webhook-uploads/1470637628514/Bank-Raid-02.gif) about Dredd being an executioner excised.
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: sheridan 21 September, 2019, 12:08:28 AM

As pointed out by Jim Craig of the Megaverse (https://www.facebook.com/groups/2000admegaverse/permalink/2238788902948968/?comment_id=2238876796273512) group, Ezquerra's unusual boot holster design found favour with at least one fan:


(https://i.imgur.com/Iox5d2q.png)             (https://i.imgur.com/BA27WXY.png)

   1976      1983



Art from Bank Raid, Wagner & Ezquerra's first, unpublished Dredd strip. Image taken from the 1981 Judge Dredd Annual, which printed the story with all the spicy dialogue (https://helpers.seattlereviewofbooks.com/webhook-uploads/1470637628514/Bank-Raid-02.gif) about Dredd being an executioner excised.

Boot holsters are a bit silly when you're standing up, but make sense when you're on a bike.  Or speeder bike.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 29 September, 2019, 11:41:13 AM
It's only a week ago, but what went over my head (but was later mentioned in the prog thread) was that it was Dredd's helmet sitting on the dying Hershey's bed, not her own.

Made the scene all the more poignant for me.
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: TordelBack 29 September, 2019, 01:05:15 PM
I only just learned that 'Hocus Pocus' is most likely a 17th C mockery of 'Hoc est corpus meum': the 'magic words' of transubstantiation in the latin Mass.  Surely Uncle Pat has used that factoid somewhere...?

In other considerably more embarrassing news, my wife recently and rather sternly informed me that the phrase "hooking up" exclusively refers to the sex act.  I was under the impression it had the more general meaning of meeting up, or casually getting together socially.  So when I've (frequently) told folks I'll try to hook up with them later, I may have been terrifying them.  Especially when I was trying to get out of going drinking with junior colleagues... 

...your Honour.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 29 September, 2019, 01:43:16 PM
I only just learned that 'Hocus Pocus' is most likely a 17th C mockery of 'Hoc est corpus meum': the 'magic words' of transubstantiation in the latin Mass.  Surely Uncle Pat has used that factoid somewhere...?

In other considerably more embarrassing news, my wife recently and rather sternly informed me that the phrase "hooking up" exclusively refers to the sex act.  I was under the impression it had the more general meaning of meeting up, or casually getting together socially.  So when I've (frequently) told folks I'll try to hook up with them later, I may have been terrifying them.  Especially when I was trying to get out of going drinking with junior colleagues... 

...your Honour.

The first one: Wow! I honestly never knew that.  I had aspirations to be a magician as a kid, and learned lots of good tricks, and really wish I hadn't let (in hindsight, jealous) friends put a stop to it.

The second one: Nahhh, I'm not having that. I've heard it used in purely social contexts loads of times. Either that or some of my best male friends want to shag me.
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: sheridan 29 September, 2019, 03:07:57 PM
I only just learned that 'Hocus Pocus' is most likely a 17th C mockery of 'Hoc est corpus meum': the 'magic words' of transubstantiation in the latin Mass.  Surely Uncle Pat has used that factoid somewhere...?

In other considerably more embarrassing news, my wife recently and rather sternly informed me that the phrase "hooking up" exclusively refers to the sex act.  I was under the impression it had the more general meaning of meeting up, or casually getting together socially.  So when I've (frequently) told folks I'll try to hook up with them later, I may have been terrifying them.  Especially when I was trying to get out of going drinking with junior colleagues... 

...your Honour.

The first one: Wow! I honestly never knew that.  I had aspirations to be a magician as a kid, and learned lots of good tricks, and really wish I hadn't let (in hindsight, jealous) friends put a stop to it.

The second one: Nahhh, I'm not having that. I've heard it used in purely social contexts loads of times. Either that or some of my best male friends want to shag me.

The US-centric English-speaking internet suggests it means either 'having sex' or anything along those lines but having sex.  One study found three cohorts, the second of which had a completly non-sexual social definition.  Though the Merrion Webster page links to the definition of 'hooker', so you probably don't want to use the phrase around junior colleagues.  Or senior colleagues, for that matter.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: sheridan 29 September, 2019, 03:10:58 PM
Wiktionary (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hook_up#English) has a more balanced definition (unless it's suggesting Madonna had sex with a French music producer).
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: TordelBack 29 September, 2019, 03:21:38 PM
I'm very glad that Jayzus, as my Dublin/Kildare contemporary, has heard it in the sense I always intended, but as Sheridan's research suggests, and my missus avers, the younger native-netizen crowd may be hearing something totally different. So as I often find myself in the role of managing a lot of youngsters (anyone under 30, obv) I'm going to be trying to avoid this one.
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: JOE SOAP 29 September, 2019, 05:17:01 PM
I doubt all those kids in 80s US sitcoms 'hooking-up' meant they were indulging in horizontal refreshment.


"Hooking up" was a term known in the year 2000 to almost every American child over the age of nine, but to only a relatively small percentage of their parents, who, even if they heard it, thought it was being used in the old sense of "meeting" someone. Among the children, hooking up was always a sexual experience, but the nature and extent of what they did could vary widely. Back in the twentieth century, American girls had used baseball terminology. "First base" referred to embracing and kissing; "second base" referred to groping and fondling and deep, or "French," kissing, commonly known as "heavy petting"; "third base" referred to fellatio, usually known in polite conversation by the ambiguous term "oral sex"; and "home plate" meant conception-mode intercourse, known familiarly as "going all the way." In the year 2000, in the era of hooking up, "first base" meant deep kissing ("tonsil hockey"), groping, and fondling; "second base" meant oral sex; "third base" meant going all the way; and "home plate" meant learning each other's names.  – Tom Wolfe, Hooking Up: What Life Was Like at the Turn of the Second Millennium: An American's World

https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/books/first/w/wolfe-hooking.html
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Tjm86 29 September, 2019, 06:04:52 PM
Re-reading this I'm minded of the B5 episode in which Ivanova has to have 'sex' with an alien ambassador to seal a treaty.  Having conned him royally, the puzzled shrug she gives in response to his "well what happens now" question was superb.

"Old style, you roll over and go to bed. New style, you go out for pizza, I never see you again."
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: The Legendary Shark 29 September, 2019, 06:14:27 PM
"Next time…my way."
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 29 September, 2019, 10:39:30 PM
I'm very glad that Jayzus, as my Dublin/Kildare contemporary, has heard it in the sense I always intended, but as Sheridan's research suggests, and my missus avers, the younger native-netizen crowd may be hearing something totally different. So as I often find myself in the role of managing a lot of youngsters (anyone under 30, obv) I'm going to be trying to avoid this one.

I think I'll join you in not using that one again.  My students, who struggle at the best of times with phrasal verbs such as this one, will not be introduced to it.

They'll just have to jolly well work it out for themselves.
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: Funt Solo 30 September, 2019, 01:00:53 AM
Phrases I'm uncomfortable using as a teacher but only discovered that by saying them (from nurture) and then backtracking quickly (from nature):

 - Rule of thumb - despite it's probably innocent etymology there's a commonly held belief that it has something to do with legal wife beating. I use heuristic, instead, to avoid confusion. Although I have to define it. Without saying anything about thumbs.

 - What did your last slave die of? - something my mum used to say to me, that I absolutely mustn't say here in the US, where slavery is rather a contentious issue, given that some people still think it was rather a good idea.

 - Off the reservation - a phrase that means "out of control", or "outside the normal bounds" but is rooted rather directly in the forced relocation of indigenous Americans. My in-laws live "on the res": so reservations still exist, and to describe leaving said area as a negative, well...it's just not okay.
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: A.Cow 30 September, 2019, 01:32:34 AM
All this fuss over interpretation of words (and their etymology) reminds me of an old Dick Emery sketch ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Gk_2TO8uwM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Gk_2TO8uwM)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Funt Solo 30 September, 2019, 02:55:08 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/Iu673vj.png)

Probe ... nudge nudge ... woof woof!
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: I, Cosh 30 September, 2019, 09:07:47 AM
I'm very glad that Jayzus, as my Dublin/Kildare contemporary, has heard it in the sense I always intended, but as Sheridan's research suggests, and my missus avers, the younger native-netizen crowd may be hearing something totally different. So as I often find myself in the role of managing a lot of youngsters (anyone under 30, obv) I'm going to be trying to avoid this one.

To me (as an equally grizzled Scotchman), "hookup" to mean something more than "casually meet" is an exclusively American usage. However, I understand that in these modern media times such distinctions are less concrete.

Rule of thumb - despite it's probably innocent etymology there's a commonly held belief that it has something to do with legal wife beating.
Wow. Your other examples make sense but I've never heard this one.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: The Legendary Shark 30 September, 2019, 12:22:10 PM

Rule of thumb has always meant 'rough estimate,' to me, like a carpenter measuring a distance with his thumb when precision isn't important. The wife beating angle does ring a distant bell, though - something about making a fist with the thumb on the inside so that if one punches too hard one breaks it. For serious fighting, thumb on the outside; for wife beating, thumb on the inside. Both condescending and beastly. Yeuch.

What did your last slave die of? Still pretty common in these parts, more employed in semi-jest in the face of an imposition or something. My usual response is, of course, "overwork."


Off the reservation I always took to mean "free," or sometimes "on the run." I always saw it as a positive phrase. I find it quite disheartening to see it also tied to "out of control" in the negative sense.

: Re: Things that went over your head...
: sheridan 30 September, 2019, 01:17:38 PM
Phrases I'm uncomfortable using as a teacher but only discovered that by saying them (from nurture) and then backtracking quickly (from nature):

 - Rule of thumb - despite it's probably innocent etymology there's a commonly held belief that it has something to do with legal wife beating. I use heuristic, instead, to avoid confusion. Although I have to define it. Without saying anything about thumbs.


Well, a rule or ruler is something that people use to measure things.  A thumb is something that people may use to measure things if a proper rule isn't available.  Any other etymology is false (so no 'probably' about it - any guilty association has been made up by those wanting to lord over what other people can and can't say).

: Re: Things that went over your head...
: TordelBack 30 September, 2019, 02:19:55 PM
Sure, but etymology (always somewhat contested) is sadly less important than a term's current usage or understanding. Now I'm not going to stop using 'rule of thumb' anytime soon, but I have given up on 'niggardly'. It's just not worth the potential grief for all parties.

We have to pick our battles, i suppose*? I lost the war for 'decimation' some time ago but soldier on (with 90% of my initial enthusiasm), and i'm still holding the line on 'retard', despite being assured it's now much the same as 'moron' or 'idiot'. Not in my hearing!


*my concern about 'hooking up' isn't that I'm necessarily wrong, it's that some poor person working for me is going to think I'm hitting on them, which is really don't want, as opposed to offering a deliberately mealy-mouthed intention of seeing them drunk in some godawful loud and expensive dive later that evening. For the same reason I've stopped patting people on the back, or putting my hand on their shoulder. I know I mean to encourage or comfort, what actually matters is what THEY feel.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: The Legendary Shark 30 September, 2019, 03:57:31 PM

I guess we're experiencing the evolution of society. Some of it seems to be going okay, I guess, some of it doesn't seem to change much and some of it's a bit worrying. It was ever thus, I suppose, as we struggle to find ways to live together.

I refuse to stop using 'niggardly' altogether but I do tend to limit it, I think. It's weird, I'm all for an evolving and dynamic language (which is one of the things I love about English) but I find some aspects, like my own self-censorship, a bit dodgy. I hate losing words, but on the other hand I love learning new ones. I'd never want to lose the right to use the word that tarnishes the perfectly crumulent 'niggardly,' but assume the responsibility to use it wisely and in context - such as in the voiceover version of Blade Runner.

: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Tjm86 30 September, 2019, 06:29:14 PM
.... and i'm still holding the line on 'retard', despite being assured it's now much the same as 'moron' or 'idiot'. Not in my hearing!


Nope.  It's in the same vein as c****, p*** or n*****.  The same with 'mongrol' or 'spastic'.  Derogatory terms that refer to individuals with a disability with the same level of contempt as their racist counterparts.  I've landed myself in trouble recently for challenging someone on its use.  No objection was raised over the use of the 'r' word but within the context of the debate the 'n' word was considered totally inappropriate (and yes I am conscious of the irony in my self-censorship here  Personally I believe it is appropriate to name language that should not be used but apparently this is not the case).

Last time I checked though, current legislation doesn't quite see it the same way.  Discrimination on disability grounds is fortunately now illegal. 
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Funt Solo 30 September, 2019, 07:16:32 PM
All my language moderation as a high school teacher is based on a single theme: trying not to offend, and especially being careful that I don't unintentionally offend a minority student in my classroom. I need them to know that I'm on side. It's not about me and my freedom to say whatever I want: it's about providing a comfortable learning environment.

So, "rule of thumb" (because of a probably incorrect etymology - and I say probably because the actual etymology is guesswork) is out because of the connotations of domestic violence towards women. Women are a minority in the tech industry. I want to keep the focus on tech, not get suddenly drawn into a discussion about whether a phrase relates to domestic violence: so I avoid it.

"Niggardly" is out because it sounds so much like "nigger". It doesn't matter that the etymologies are separate: I'm just going to sound like a complete Scunthorpe if I use "niggardly", get questioned about it (which I'm sure I would) and then defend it on the grounds that I'm Mr. Logic.  Remember Viz: he's an irritating bastard. Why would I push a point and risk offending my black students? They're another minority in tech.

Same for "off the reservation" (potentially offending Indians), "retard" (because it's used as an attack word and 38% of my students have special needs) and any mention of slaves (because this is america (https://youtu.be/VYOjWnS4cMY)).

I'm not a female, black, Indian student with special needs (or any one of those), but I'm on their side. Woke, mofo!
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 30 September, 2019, 08:15:02 PM
Woke, mofo!

As an insomniac who suffers from an Oedipal complex, I find those words offensive  ;)
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: The Legendary Shark 30 September, 2019, 09:30:13 PM

Quick, somebody plug the national grid into Orwell's grave...

: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Funt Solo 30 September, 2019, 10:03:32 PM
Woke, mofo!

As an insomniac who suffers from an Oedipal complex, I find those words offensive  ;)

 :D
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: shaolin_monkey 30 September, 2019, 11:46:43 PM
I got caught out a few years back when describing how a Prince Albert is pierced, by commenting the needle goes in under your helmet and comes out your japs eye. My usual self censorship completely missed that one, but was thankfully highlighted by a member (excuse the pun) of my group instantaneously. It’s crazy what vocabulary flies under your own radar sometimes!

The correct term non-racist term is ‘urethral orifice’. But all the same, be wary of using it around people who are squeamish of needles and body modifications.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Tiplodocus 02 October, 2019, 09:10:42 AM
Somebody suggested the term "fancy-dan" might not be treating people respectfully the other day. I couldn't find anything about it's use other than overly ostentatious. Turns out his father-in-law uses it in a very derogatory manner.

I'm with Tordels on decimated but I too have given up.

I still correct people on imply/infer and electrocuted/electric shock.

But imma prolly give up on "It's a big ask!".

No, it's a "big thing to ask". The evil that emerges from sports journo desks.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: The Legendary Shark 02 October, 2019, 09:58:44 AM


I still correct people on ... electrocuted/electric shock.




I bet you're a joy to have around in an emergency :D

: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Proudhuff 02 October, 2019, 10:31:35 AM
I thought the Rule of thumb was about the size of stick that could be used for a beating or servants... no thicker than your thumb.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: shaolin_monkey 02 October, 2019, 10:37:48 AM
I thought the Rule of thumb was about the size of stick that could be used for a beating or servants... no thicker than your thumb.

"The 'rule of thumb' has been said to derive from the belief that English law allowed a man to beat his wife with a stick so long as it is was no thicker than his thumb.

In 1782, Judge Sir Francis Buller is reported as having made this legal ruling and in the following year James Gillray published a satirical cartoon attacking Buller and caricaturing him as 'Judge Thumb'. The cartoon shows a man beating a fleeing woman and Buller carrying two bundles of sticks. The caption reads "thumbsticks - for family correction: warranted lawful!""


https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/rule-of-thumb.html

: Re: Things that went over your head...
: sheridan 02 October, 2019, 11:03:32 AM
I thought the Rule of thumb was about the size of stick that could be used for a beating or servants... no thicker than your thumb.

"The 'rule of thumb' has been said to derive from the belief that English law allowed a man to beat his wife with a stick so long as it is was no thicker than his thumb.

In 1782, Judge Sir Francis Buller is reported as having made this legal ruling and in the following year James Gillray published a satirical cartoon attacking Buller and caricaturing him as 'Judge Thumb'. The cartoon shows a man beating a fleeing woman and Buller carrying two bundles of sticks. The caption reads "thumbsticks - for family correction: warranted lawful!""

https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/rule-of-thumb.html

And then after that bit it continues:
the 'rule of thumb' has never been the law in England.

Even if people mistakenly supposed the law to exist, there's no reason to believe that anyone ever called it the 'rule of thumb'. Despite the phrase being in common use since the 17th century and appearing many thousands of times in print, there are no printed records that associate it with domestic violence until the 1970s, when the notion was castigated by feminists.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: sheridan 02 October, 2019, 11:04:34 AM
The oldest attribution refers to measuring something with a thumb instead of a ruler (as has been pointed out up-thread).
"many profest Christians are like to foolish builders, who build by guess, and by rule of thumb, (as we use to speak) and not by Square and Rule."
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: shaolin_monkey 02 October, 2019, 01:16:26 PM
Fair enough!

That'll teach me to thoroughly read my own sources.   :D
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Proudhuff 08 October, 2019, 04:36:12 PM
The oldest attribution refers to measuring something with a thumb instead of a ruler (as has been pointed out up-thread).
"many profest Christians are like to foolish builders, who build by guess, and by rule of thumb, (as we use to speak) and not by Square and Rule."

oh, where's that quote from sheridan?
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: The Legendary Shark 08 October, 2019, 04:51:49 PM

"The earliest known use of it in print appears in a sermon given by the English puritan James Durham and printed in Heaven Upon Earth, 1685." (https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/rule-of-thumb.html)

: Re: Things that went over your head...
: ming 10 October, 2019, 12:54:30 PM
Nasty vicious bitey-bitey things...

Klegg = Clegg (or, in Norwegian, Klegg).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse-fly
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: TordelBack 10 October, 2019, 02:54:41 PM
As a kid I heard the feckers called clegs in Ireland too- this would have been in Clare, I think. Also creabhars, in Meath. I just call them shitfuckinbastards.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 10 October, 2019, 03:57:29 PM
Also creabhars, in Meath. I just call them shitfuckinbastards.

I never heard that one in Meath, and I was born and bred in the kip.  The second one is more familiar, especially as a houseboat dweller (or aquaknacker, as the locals call us).
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: TordelBack 10 October, 2019, 04:11:32 PM
Also creabhars, in Meath. I just call them shitfuckinbastards.

I never heard that one in Meath, and I was born and bred in the kip.  The second one is more familiar, especially as a houseboat dweller (or aquaknacker, as the locals call us).

I heard it used in Nobber - which is a place, nay a world, unto itself! - and also Ratoath.  I'm only guessing at the spelling, cos I've a vague feeling it's just horsefly as gaeilge, but alas my Irish education ran more towards rote-learning prepared statements on dífhostaíocht and ríomhairí.  It was pronounced "Crowhers".
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: Funt Solo 11 October, 2019, 04:16:47 AM
They were called clegs in the Highlands, as well: it says from Old Norse kleggi on the interweb. Feckin' horseflies.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: CalHab 11 October, 2019, 12:45:56 PM
They were called clegs in the Highlands, as well: it says from Old Norse kleggi on the interweb. Feckin' horseflies.

Yup, always heard them called clegs in Scotland.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: JayzusB.Christ 11 October, 2019, 04:44:49 PM
Also creabhars, in Meath. I just call them shitfuckinbastards.

I never heard that one in Meath, and I was born and bred in the kip.  The second one is more familiar, especially as a houseboat dweller (or aquaknacker, as the locals call us).

I heard it used in Nobber - which is a place, nay a world, unto itself! - and also Ratoath.  I'm only guessing at the spelling, cos I've a vague feeling it's just horsefly as gaeilge, but alas my Irish education ran more towards rote-learning prepared statements on dífhostaíocht and ríomhairí.  It was pronounced "Crowhers".

Nobber! They eat their young out there.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: sheridan 12 October, 2019, 12:09:59 PM
I heard it used in Nobber - which is a place, nay a world, unto itself!


I'd never heard of it, but see that Nobber is just South of the border.  No opportunity for double entendres there.  And I'm sure it's never been said that the Archdeacon of Nobber is a euphemism.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: TordelBack 12 October, 2019, 12:29:55 PM
It gets better than that! IIRC 'Nobber' is an anglicisation of 'an obair' = 'the work', probably referring to the large Anglo-Norman motte-and-bailey earthwork at the edge of the village.

Now it so happens that the Dublinese for girlfriend is 'Mot' (from 'maith an cailín' = 'good girl').  So as a callow lad of 18 working away from home for the first time in that eponymous village, references to 'Nobber motte' regularly had me in stitches.
: Re: Things that went over your head...
: sheridan 12 October, 2019, 09:52:57 PM
It gets better than that! IIRC 'Nobber' is an anglicisation of 'an obair' = 'the work', probably referring to the large Anglo-Norman motte-and-bailey earthwork at the edge of the village.

Now it so happens that the Dublinese for girlfriend is 'Mot' (from 'maith an cailín' = 'good girl').  So as a callow lad of 18 working away from home for the first time in that eponymous village, references to 'Nobber motte' regularly had me in stitches.


Thanks for the education - I did try to learn a bit of Gaelic a few years back, but fell at the pronounciation hurdle!