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: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Link Prime 12 April, 2014, 01:47:44 PM
Did the forum ever have a 'Room 101' style thread?

Anyway, y'know what really grinds my gears?

F-ckin movie adverts that name the release date numerically.

Example; "The Raid 2. In cinemas April 10".
When's April 10? Anytime near April 10th?

Sorry. No coffee yet.
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: Daveycandlish 12 April, 2014, 01:58:30 PM
It gets on my tits too. I'm glad I'm not the only one!

Why not even "the 10th of April". After all, I'm not American.
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: judda fett 12 April, 2014, 02:30:13 PM
People talking on the quiet carriage of the train, either on their phone or to each other. You've got the whole train to talk shite that I do not want to listen to and still feel obliged to do it on the one carriage of the train reserved for people who'd like to travel in peace. Arseholes.
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: TordelBack 12 April, 2014, 02:35:14 PM
When's April 10? Anytime near April 10th?

We were recently issued guidelines from a government department requiring planning reports to only use the form '10 April' which I find even more annoying. 
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: Trout 12 April, 2014, 03:37:31 PM
Date formats like that exist in newspapers. The idea is to save the extra characters and, believe it or not, it can make a difference for fitting text into a space.
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: Banners 12 April, 2014, 03:51:53 PM
As a graphic designer, dates simply look better that way sometimes.
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: TordelBack 12 April, 2014, 03:54:04 PM
Date formats like that exist in newspapers. The idea is to save the extra characters and, believe it or not, it can make a difference for fitting text into a space.


: Banners
As a graphic designer, dates simply look better that way sometimes.

Spare us your pragmatic realism, aesthetic judgement and relevant experience: this is about poorly lubricated variable torque transmission.

A quick count on the report I'm currently writing reveals it to be 89,721 characters long so far.  Three incidents of dates appear (the timespan of the field project, the completion date of the report).  The saving of 6 characters seems... petty?
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: Trout 12 April, 2014, 04:33:15 PM
Dates occur in newspapers a lot.

If you want to save space in your report, remove the word "that". Then take out two of every three adjectives.

Secrets of newspaper production.  :lol:
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: TordelBack 12 April, 2014, 05:21:46 PM
Dates occur in newspapers a lot.

Indeed, but I'm not writing for a newspaper, and still government has seen fit to issue a fatwa against thorn. 

Interestingly a search reveals 80 instances of 'that' - so 320 characters.  Getting on for 0.3% of the total.  No major savings to be made there.  OTOH, the whole bloody thing is adjectives...  There's only so many times you can write 'muck' or 'hole' without adding qualifiers. 
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: Steve Green 12 April, 2014, 05:59:07 PM
Rolling news channels wanting to turn any news item into a fictional work.

Sets, theme music, sound effects, graphics, all that crap. Just report the fucking news.

Most recent example being Sky's coverage of the missing Malaysian flight, where they've got some bullshit illuminated desk with radar in the background - just so their experts can push models around like they're re-enacting the Battle of Britain.
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: Link Prime 12 April, 2014, 06:23:13 PM
Most recent example being Sky's coverage of the missing Malaysian flight, where they've got some bullshit illuminated desk with radar in the background - just so their experts can push models around like they're re-enacting the Battle of Britain.

That's a good one Steve.
Nothing worse than some insincere simp pushing little models around like he's Bill Adama with miniature Cylon Base Stars.
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: The Enigmatic Dr X 12 April, 2014, 07:08:59 PM
Word autocorrect changing th to th

Grrr.
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: Trout 12 April, 2014, 08:09:53 PM
Just autocorrect.

Yes, I know I can switch it off but it's useful for work and just ducking ducking ducking annoying for texts and emails.

Duck it.
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: Fungus 12 April, 2014, 08:42:17 PM
When's April 10? Anytime near April 10th?

A similar one. Furniture stores omitting the £.
"Available now at only 999!"
999 what? Buttons? Shrunken heads? Galactic groats?
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: Colin YNWA 12 April, 2014, 09:33:40 PM
Rolling news channels wanting to turn any news item into a fictional work.

Sets, theme music, sound effects, graphics, all that crap. Just report the fucking news.

Most recent example being Sky's coverage of the missing Malaysian flight, where they've got some bullshit illuminated desk with radar in the background - just so their experts can push models around like they're re-enacting the Battle of Britain.

Yeah remember when we used to laugh at the glorious excess of the graphics on 'The Day Today' - truly TV news has well exceeded that now... and they mean it!
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: Banners 12 April, 2014, 10:00:56 PM
When's April 10? Anytime near April 10th?

A similar one. Furniture stores omitting the £.

I think it looks lovely in menus, for example, when you only have a figure ie. instead of "£12.00" it just says "12".
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: Mardroid 13 April, 2014, 04:05:22 AM
When's April 10? Anytime near April 10th?

A similar one. Furniture stores omitting the £.

I think it looks lovely in menus, for example, when you only have a figure ie. instead of "£12.00" it just says "12".

The expressions the waiter's face is priceless when you hand him a round silver coloured coin (the larger one mind!) and a couple of coppers.
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: TordelBack 14 April, 2014, 09:43:10 AM
YouTube forcing a 25 second advert for McDonalds on me before I watch each and every TRAILER.  If I get even fatter, it's on you, Goaty.
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: Link Prime 14 April, 2014, 10:12:25 AM
YouTube forcing a 25 second advert for McDonalds on me before I watch each and every TRAILER.  If I get even fatter, it's on you, Goaty.

This thread could be devoted entirely to movie trailers.
As with Mr. Back, I too loathe a 'forced' advert.

The worst offender? Why, it has to be the pre-movie starting advert in the cinema.
Let me break it down:

Arrive at cinema at 8.30pm.
'Normal' adverts for 15 minutes.
Cinema advert reminding patrons to turn off / down their phone (heeded by 0.05% of attendees).
'Movie' adverts for 15 minutes.
Film board certificate.
...and yes, it's 9.10pm, you've waited patiently, already eaten all of your nachos, but finally- the film's about to begin.

Uh, Uh. Hold on there son.
Think we'll squeeze in just one more advert. Howsabout a Jennifer Lopez endorsed jingle for L'Oreal?
Perfect. It won't annoy the audience one little bit.
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: Tombo 14 April, 2014, 11:49:16 AM
Just watching Madness "Night Boat to Cairo" on YouTube, total length 3:39 prior to that was an advert for something from Dove, total length 3:54.  At least I could skip that one after a few seconds, but by Grud sometimes YouTube really can be annoying with it's adverts.
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: TordelBack 14 April, 2014, 11:52:45 AM
Just watching Madness "Night Boat to Cairo" on YouTube, total length 3:39 prior to that was an advert for something from Dove, total length 3:54.  At least I could skip that one after a few seconds, but by Grud sometimes YouTube really can be annoying with it's adverts.

I don't mind the 'Skip after 5 seconds' ones, that's fair enough, Google have to keep themsleves in beanbags and quinoa salad boxes somehow, it's the 20 or 30 second ones that you can't skip that piss me off - I'm dropping in to watch an ADVERT FOR A FILM and before I can do that, I have to watch ANOTHER advert the same length for lager or fries?  Piss off with your trailer so.

On the same subject, what appears to be targeted in-browser ads for products I would never buy, have never browsed for, and seem to follow me around for weeks: Desigual fashions, for example.  Quasi-tie-dye shift dresses are just not something I see myself buying online.  YMMV.
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: Mister Pops 14 April, 2014, 11:56:47 AM
Y'know what grinds my gears? When people complain about ads on websites instead of just installing free ad-blocking software.
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: TordelBack 14 April, 2014, 11:59:22 AM
Aye, I used to use ad-blocks, but it was pointed out to me that it denies revenue to sites I want to support.
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: Skullmo 14 April, 2014, 12:09:15 PM
A trailer that shows me the whole film. Well, there will be no point in m going to see that one then!
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: Fungus 14 April, 2014, 12:36:47 PM
YouTube forcing a 25 second advert for McDonalds on me before I watch each and every TRAILER.  If I get even fatter, it's on you, Goaty.
Arrive at cinema at 8.30pm....
...and yes, it's 9.10pm, you've waited patiently...

NEVER arrive within 30 mins of the "starting" time.
It's always the same?
Methinks you like those ads.
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: TordelBack 14 April, 2014, 12:40:07 PM
A trailer that shows me the whole film. Well, there will be no point in m going to see that one then!

Or indeed a DVD menu sequence that basically shows the entire thing, only in that case you've already bought/rented the thing and sat through 5 minutes of FACT ads as a punishment for not having pirated it.
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: NapalmKev 14 April, 2014, 12:42:05 PM
Politicians that skirt around questions and talk absolute bollocks, and still managing to get re-elected!

Cheers
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: JamesC 14 April, 2014, 12:51:30 PM
Shirts in packets.

A shirt doesn't need to come in a packet - it's unnecessary and annoying. To make matters worse, the pins they used to have in them (which could stick you if you didn't remove them but at least they could be useful after they'd been removed) have been replaced by little plastic clips that are useless for anything else and get chucked straight in the bin. There must be a factory somewhere that makes those little clips - what a bloody waste.   
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: mogzilla 14 April, 2014, 01:07:59 PM
the csl advert with the woman with the incredibly shruggy shoulders...

and the toothpaste one with the smug woman talking to some one ..." in my dental practice my dental patients use it all the time before they come to my dental practice with me being a dentist an'all"

.."so, you're a dentist?"

 grinds gears teeth etc
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: Proudhuff 14 April, 2014, 01:14:18 PM
There is an advert on local radio that has a woman talking with her mouth full, with lots of 'you know' and 'like' inbetween gggggrrrrr.


oh my list is endless  :D
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: TordelBack 14 April, 2014, 01:33:35 PM
Whispering.

All whispering, but especially for commercial gain.
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: Proudhuff 14 April, 2014, 01:34:51 PM
Whispering.

All whispering, but especially for commercial gain.

what even sweet nothing in your ear or House of Card stlye asides?
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: TordelBack 14 April, 2014, 02:35:58 PM
what even sweet nothing in your ear

I'm more a hand-on-the-crotch/large-whiskey kind of guy, but keep trying dear heart.
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: Proudhuff 14 April, 2014, 05:09:56 PM
what even sweet nothing in your ear

I'm more a hand-on-the-crotch/large-whiskey kind of guy, but keep trying dear heart.

(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h134/Dog_Deever/d7b33069-d621-482f-b8fb-e648cf29ec9e_zpsf6a85bfa.jpg)
A man after cosh's own heart!
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: Dandontdare 14 April, 2014, 06:22:57 PM
oh I could list so many things....

People who stop halfway through a doorway to finish a conversation, which is especially annoying in a busy office - either come back in or go out, but GET OUT OF THE FUCKING DOORWAY!

"We will shortly be arriving into our next station stop" - you arrive AT not INTO and it's either a stop or a station, but not both.

Unnecessary and ridiculously hard to open food packaging with cooking instructions in type so small you need a microscope to read it.

I could go on (and on and on...)
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: Mister Pops 14 April, 2014, 06:24:01 PM
People who tear beermats into little tiny pieces
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: Dandontdare 14 April, 2014, 06:25:50 PM
People who tear beermats into little tiny pieces

guilty! although I prefer the "how many times can I peel it into complete fullsized squares" game
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: Link Prime 14 April, 2014, 06:36:47 PM
YouTube forcing a 25 second advert for McDonalds on me before I watch each and every TRAILER.  If I get even fatter, it's on you, Goaty.
Arrive at cinema at 8.30pm....
...and yes, it's 9.10pm, you've waited patiently...

NEVER arrive within 30 mins of the "starting" time.
It's always the same?
Methinks you like those ads.

Ach, I know Fungus, I know.
But it's always those occasions when you arrive nonchalantly 20 minutes after the 'starting time' that you actually miss those first few minutes and / or a chav is in the seat you paid an extra €1.60 for by booking online.
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: SmallBlueThing 14 April, 2014, 09:17:54 PM
Whispering.

All whispering, but especially for commercial gain.

This. Especially the hideous whispering woman from the advert for "Secret Escapes", who sends me into stomach-knotting spasms of kill/hate/disfigure/maim screaming abdabs every time.

Also, people who take a perfectly good black blankie, and turn it the wrong way up, showing the white side, when watching a movie with the lights off- so creating a snowy light-reflective surface right under my face. Notably: My wife.

SBT



SBT
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: I, Cosh 14 April, 2014, 09:22:33 PM
What's a black blankie?
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: Ghost MacRoth 14 April, 2014, 09:26:43 PM
A Blankie...which is black.
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: TordelBack 14 April, 2014, 10:07:55 PM
Especially the hideous whispering woman from the advert for "Secret Escapes", who sends me into stomach-knotting spasms of kill/hate/disfigure/maim screaming abdabs every time.

I'm normally a peaceable man, but that ad drives me into a frenzy of vocal hate and sincere threats of actual bodily  harm.  DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE WHY WON'T YOU DIE.
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: Link Prime 14 April, 2014, 10:23:58 PM
Especially the hideous whispering woman from the advert for "Secret Escapes", who sends me into stomach-knotting spasms of kill/hate/disfigure/maim screaming abdabs every time.

I'm normally a peaceable man, but that ad drives me into a frenzy of vocal hate and sincere threats of actual bodily  harm.  DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE WHY WON'T YOU DIE.

Not the beautiful Camilla Arfwedson, surely?
I sometimes daydream that I'm the offscreen 'darling' she swoonfully addresses.

Yeah right.

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: radiator 14 April, 2014, 11:08:30 PM
At the risk of delving (further?) into 'Grumpy Old Men' territory, I want to have a bitch about pop music. Now, I'm not usually one of those tedious people who thinks all music released after their own teenage years is crap, but I do have a beef with a lot of modern pop music, and I believe that there are still very good pop tracks released - it's not aimed at me, etc etc, but it's not too offensive.

But I do have a beef with a certain kind of pop, and it mainly centres on this kind of Black Eyed Peas type songs. You know, the kind of ones that are so utterly repetitious, banal and dumb that they basically sound like a children's nursery rhyme. The kind of song that is catchy, but so devoid of any charm that once you've heard it you never want to hear it again.

Add to that the mass-media's fixation on blaring out the most obnoxious kind of pop at every. available. opportunity - in shops, on ads, on hold music - even in frickin' car parks.... It is utterly inescapable and hard to tune out. Whatever happened to a bit of silence?

I have mild insomnia and often get unwanted bits of music stuck in my head when I'm trying to get to sleep - it drives me up the bloody wall. It's got to the point now where I will actively avoid listening to the radio or any kind of mainstream media for fear of getting some drivel lodged in my head.
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: Fungus 14 April, 2014, 11:20:29 PM
Gotta love silence. Might also be my age talking - but so what.
There's a top quote - though I can't attribute it right now of course - that points out for all the dumb shit you hear incessantly, none of it beats a bit of peace.
YouTubers do it - what amateur video wouldn't be complemented by, um, techno ?
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: radiator 15 April, 2014, 12:46:57 AM
Why do we need pop music piped into a car park? Why? And if you insist on pumping out music, why not at least play something a bit different or interesting? I resent the assumption that we all care about pop music and celebrity culture - the vast majority of us don't, and find having it forced on us obnoxious.

I'm ashamed to say that a year or so back I actually snapped at the poor bloke from T Mobile(?) after being subjected to an endless loop of thirty seconds of 'She's So Lovely' by Scouting For Girls (officially the sappiest, most insipid and aggravating pop song of recent years) for half an hour. I was stressed out as it was, and that was the last straw.

I find certain modern documentaries actually laughable in the way they switch from one backing track to the next in ridiculous ADD fashion every 4 seconds.

I also hate radio edits of songs. Obviously it's understandable with 7 minute tracks with lenghty intros or outros, but it's just ridiculous these days. If you're that keen to cut it down then why even bother playing  whole songs at all? Why not just play ten second snippet of the choruses? FFS.
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: Skullmo 15 April, 2014, 01:15:12 AM
I'm ashamed to say that a year or so back I actually snapped at the poor bloke from T Mobile(?) after being subjected to an endless loop of thirty seconds of 'She's So Lovely' by Scouting For Girls (officially the sappiest, most insipid and aggravating pop song of recent years) for half an hour. I was stressed out as it was, and that was the last straw.

She's Pretty, a fitty
She's got a boyfriend though and that's a pitty.
She's flirty turned thirty
Ain't that the age a girl gets really dirty.

I don't know
I don't know
I don't know
How we'll make it through this.
I don't know
I don't know
I don't know

I love the way she bites her lip
I love the way she shakes them hips.
I love the way she makes me drool.
I think that she is beautiful.

She's so lovely
She's so lovely
She's so lovely
She's so lovely
She's so lovely
She's so lovely
She's so lovely
She's so lovely


Them are lyrical gold!
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: I, Cosh 15 April, 2014, 08:17:19 AM
People pronouncing biopic to rhyme with short-sighted.
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: Recrewt 15 April, 2014, 11:27:57 AM
HaHa! This really should be renamed the Grumpy Old Men thread.  I try to let most things float past me but the ones that sometimes get through is when something I own tells me what to do. >:(

It took me a long time to deal with those FACT adverts and such that they put at the start of DVDs/Blu Rays which for some reason I am not allowed to fast-forward past.  Why do I have to sit through an advert telling me not to pirate something which I have not pirated because I bought it from the shop.  That is just pure frustration and if I could meet the genius who decided to not allow you to skip over these, then I would slap him in the face!
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: Skullmo 15 April, 2014, 11:47:20 AM
HaHa! This really should be renamed the Grumpy Old Men thread.  I try to let most things float past me but the ones that sometimes get through is when something I own tells me what to do. >:(

It took me a long time to deal with those FACT adverts and such that they put at the start of DVDs/Blu Rays which for some reason I am not allowed to fast-forward past.  Why do I have to sit through an advert telling me not to pirate something which I have not pirated because I bought it from the shop.  That is just pure frustration and if I could meet the genius who decided to not allow you to skip over these, then I would slap him in the face!

I had a friend who used to cut off the copyright notice when he recorded a vhs as he thought that made it legal.
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: Dandontdare 15 April, 2014, 11:52:02 AM
those FACT adverts and such that they put at the start of DVDs/Blu Rays which for some reason I am not allowed to fast-forward past.

Ditto for story cut scenes in videogames that you can't skip - fine the first time but frustrating ever afterwards
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: Recrewt 15 April, 2014, 02:12:42 PM
I had a friend who used to cut off the copyright notice when he recorded a vhs as he thought that made it legal.

 :lol: All legal then. 

It's not as if the pirates bother to include the FACT advert when they Rip a DVD, so what's the point?  Even if they did, are they suddenly going to stop when they see that advert? It serves no purpose other than to reinforce the idea that these media companies view all their customers as thieves.

Ditto for story cut scenes in videogames that you can't skip - fine the first time but frustrating ever afterwards

Oh yeah, they can be annoying.  It's not like there isn't examples of games out there where you can skip them.  I had heard the Metal Gear Solid game out a couple of years back had massive videos you could not skip.  Whether that was true or not, it put me off getting it.
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: Moggot Lover 15 April, 2014, 02:27:42 PM
Especially the hideous whispering woman from the advert for "Secret Escapes", who sends me into stomach-knotting spasms of kill/hate/disfigure/maim screaming abdabs every time.

I'm normally a peaceable man, but that ad drives me into a frenzy of vocal hate and sincere threats of actual bodily  harm.  DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE WHY WON'T YOU DIE.
That add makes her come across as one of those high class escort ladies, the brazen hussy.

What grinds my gears, the lack of common sense and ability to think on your feet, that seems to be effecting any one below the age of 25.
Niece complaining on twitter about her bus being late, going to miss her connecting bus to work, ok fair enough. Then complains she has waited a further 30min for said bus. The bus station she need to get to is 1.5 miles away. If she walked 200m down a hill, she would  get to another bus stop for different bus that goes to said bus station and buses run more frequently. Or with the 30min waiting time she could of just walked.  :o

More examples are available on request.   
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: Skullmo 15 April, 2014, 02:43:56 PM
Please more
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: Moggot Lover 15 April, 2014, 04:17:53 PM
Please more
Sure.
Young lad.
"I cannot get up the stairs!"
Me "Why not?"
"There is a box in the way"
Me "You mean the empty box?"
"Yes!"
Me "You could move the box and go up the stairs?"
"Uh yeah"
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: TordelBack 15 April, 2014, 04:32:11 PM
I blame 'casual gaming' on mobile devices and social media sites.  If they'd been reared on 16 bit Mario they'd know to jump over these things or face the consequences.
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: radiator 15 April, 2014, 04:57:42 PM
Especially the hideous whispering woman from the advert for "Secret Escapes", who sends me into stomach-knotting spasms of kill/hate/disfigure/maim screaming abdabs every time.

I'm normally a peaceable man, but that ad drives me into a frenzy of vocal hate and sincere threats of actual bodily  harm.  DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE WHY WON'T YOU DIE.

Oh man, you want to see American TV - you don't know how good you have it. There must have been the same amount of ads as programme when we watched Mad Men the other night. Watching a movie, the screen is busy with on-screen bumpers and ads for other shows, and every thirty seconds you get weird little captions telling you about behind the scenes stuff and bits of trivia about the film.

They smash-cut to garish, incredibly cheesy ads with no warning or bumpers, and one ad smash-cuts into the next in unsettling fashion. You get surreal ads for random pharmaceutical products with chilling side-effects listed in soothing tones. Radio ads are bonkers too - they use honking car horn sound effects in them which seems extraordinarily dangerous to me, and the 'small print' disclaimer at the end of the ad is delivered so insanely fast and goes on for so long it makes me laugh out loud every time. For a viewer accustomed to the more sedate pace of British TV and radio it's a real head-fuck.

Savour the BBC while you still have it, folks.
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: Steve Green 15 April, 2014, 05:34:53 PM
Quite.

You get it a little bit on the digital channels over here. Frantically dangling a bit of tinsel in front of the viewer in case they dare to switch channels.

Brand New
Theme Nights
Last chance to see
Coming up

It absolutely knackers any drama.

I remember the spaced DVD commentary ripping into the continuity announcer talking over the ESB credits (after they'd gone to efforts to secure the actual score)
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: Frank 15 April, 2014, 05:41:51 PM
There must have been the same amount of ads as programme when we watched Mad Men.

Isn't that just the show? If you switch channel every time ads for Edsels or Fedoras appear, you may not be getting the full weight of the drama.

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: radiator 15 April, 2014, 06:03:56 PM
It grinds my gears when someone in the public eye who I consider an intelligent adult and someone I admire comments on reality TV or celebrity culture. Especially anything to do with Justin Bieber/X Factor etc etc.

I don't care, and I don't even want to hear you make fun of or satirise it, because engaging with it in any way makes you part of the conversation.
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: JayzusB.Christ 15 April, 2014, 06:34:59 PM
Litter.

It doesn't seem as much of a problem in Britain as it is here in Ireland, but fecking hell, it gets my goat.  I'm a bit of a bleeding-heart liberal about most things, but I really wish Dredd was around to give a mandatory 7 days' cubetime to any filthy, inconsiderate scumbag who thinks it's ok to fuck up the country that they so often claim to love so much.
Actually, three weeks' community service would be better.  Guess which community service I'd have the dirtballs in question doing. 

I know the pollution caused by industry and traffic is far greater, but still, discarded litter really, really grinds, as you say, my gears.
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: TordelBack 15 April, 2014, 06:41:43 PM
Yeah, litter is the one thing that brings out my inner Dredd,  fly-tipping even more so.  When I see it, 'it's knee-poppin' time' as the great man might say.

More seriously, littering speaks of such an utter disconnect between an individual and their world that it actually makes me sad.  It seems either to represent a complete surrender to 'them', the powers-that-be that will come and clean it up for you and order your existence to their specifications, or an utter obliviousness to the impact of your own actions as an individual in creating the human world.  Either way, it's a tragedy that goes beyond nappies strewn along the bus-lane.
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: radiator 15 April, 2014, 07:03:19 PM
Hmm, yes, I'd have to agree. There's no excuse for it.

It seems either to represent a complete surrender to 'them', the powers-that-be that will come and clean it up for you

You see this a lot in the cinema - when the lights go up there's invariably popcorn and drinks cups all over the shop. Certain people seem to think that just because someone is employed to clean an area, it's totally fine to just throw whatever crap they want on the floor.
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: CrazyFoxMachine 15 April, 2014, 07:11:25 PM
You see this a lot in the cinema - when the lights go up there's invariably popcorn and drinks cups all over the shop.

I went too far the other way - I spilled this entire bucket of popcorn during the opening bits of Beowulf and spent the majority of the film painstakingly picking it all back up, putting it back in the bucket and then putting the bucket in the bin.....

So I didn't really miss out there I don't think.
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: von Boom 15 April, 2014, 07:22:58 PM
I hate smokers who flick out their butt ends out of their windows while driving. I mean, really, can't you just use your ashtray and clean it out at home. Also don't drive around with the end of your cigarette out of the window so the rest of us have to be afflicted by your disgusting habit. Roll up your window.

: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: mogzilla 15 April, 2014, 08:10:25 PM
people who pull out on you at junctions then slow the feck down to a crawl..



and taking my daughter to buy any sort of footwear!
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: radiator 15 April, 2014, 09:55:00 PM
People who don't understand the concept of editing, so upload several thousand uninteresting, poorly-lit, out of focus and just plain bad pictures of their holiday/night out or especially their children on facebook, along with one or two good ones.

People who decide to 'get into photography' and before doing any practice or research immediately go out and buy an expensive camera, assuming that doing so will magically enable them to take good pictures. The kind of people who see a nice picture and ask the photographer 'What camera did you use?' as if that alone is what it takes to take good photos.

Even worse are 'fauxtographers' - people who buy a DSLR and set up shop as a 'professional' photographer, advertise their services online, and drastically undercut actual trained photographers and take terrible pictures for gullible idiots.

I'm not a photographer btw - I'm just someone who uses facebook.
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: JOE SOAP 15 April, 2014, 10:12:48 PM
People who decide to 'get into photography' and before doing any practice or research immediately go out and buy an expensive camera, assuming that doing so will magically enable them to take good pictures.


That's a rite of passage when learning to be a photographer.
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: maryanddavid 15 April, 2014, 10:44:02 PM
Litter gets on my goat too, I live in the country, along a little road that's popular with walkers, really nice scenery etc. Every couple of week you get the bin bags fired in the ditch.
There have been several court cases out of it, stupid fu*kers leaving letters with their addresses in the bags.
To be fair the council have been good at clearing and setting up small cameras in particular black spots. Whats more frustrating is I spotted a television fired along the road, you can leave these at any electrical shop and get it recycled for free. Morons.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: radiator 15 April, 2014, 10:54:32 PM
Almost as obnoxious is spitting or phleming in the street.

I long for a future where a fleet of small hovering drones float around and DNA test gob on the pavement, then hunt down the perpetrator and deliver an extremely painful electric shock to them.

Same for dog owners who don't clean up after their dog.
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: TordelBack 15 April, 2014, 11:24:14 PM
I long for a future where a fleet of small hovering drones float around and DNA test gob on the pavement, then hunt down the perpetrator and deliver an extremely painful electric shock to them.

If only there were a comic that catered for people like us!

(I agree on all counts).
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: mogzilla 16 April, 2014, 12:03:42 AM
People who don't understand the concept of editing, so upload several thousand uninteresting, poorly-lit, out of focus and just plain bad pictures of their holiday/night out or especially their children on facebook, along with one or two good ones.

People who decide to 'get into photography' and before doing any practice or research immediately go out and buy an expensive camera, assuming that doing so will magically enable them to take good pictures. The kind of people who see a nice picture and ask the photographer 'What camera did you use?' as if that alone is what it takes to take good photos.

Even worse are 'fauxtographers' - people who buy a DSLR and set up shop as a 'professional' photographer, advertise their services online, and drastically undercut actual trained photographers and take terrible pictures for gullible idiots.

I'm not a photographer btw - I'm just someone who uses facebook.


I'm getting back into the hobby after many years away.i used to work in a chain of photo shops up t'north and the snobbery from the staff! cos I used a crappy tank like zenith and they all had the Nikons but my black and whites seriously outshone their snapshots which would probably end up on facebook had it existed back then..i have upgraded to a praktika only for the metal shutter as oppsed to the fabric shutter curtain on the Russian tank...mmmm  m42 screw threads!!!! :D
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: Trout 16 April, 2014, 02:11:43 AM
People who don't understand the concept of editing, so upload several thousand uninteresting, poorly-lit, out of focus and just plain bad pictures of their holiday/night out or especially their children on facebook, along with one or two good ones.

People who decide to 'get into photography' and before doing any practice or research immediately go out and buy an expensive camera, assuming that doing so will magically enable them to take good pictures. The kind of people who see a nice picture and ask the photographer 'What camera did you use?' as if that alone is what it takes to take good photos.

Even worse are 'fauxtographers' - people who buy a DSLR and set up shop as a 'professional' photographer, advertise their services online, and drastically undercut actual trained photographers and take terrible pictures for gullible idiots.

I'm not a photographer btw - I'm just someone who uses facebook.

Yes, to all of that. I am a photographer (it says reporter/photographer on my business card!) and I hate it when people ask me techy questions about cameras so they can sound clever. Just start with a good idea and find a way to make it happen. You don't need to spend a ton of money on equipment to get good results.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: radiator 16 April, 2014, 02:20:10 AM
The horror, the horror....

http://youarenotaphotographer.com/ (http://youarenotaphotographer.com/)
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Trout 16 April, 2014, 02:33:13 AM
I quite like the one with the giant bride.  :lol:
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: amines2058 16 April, 2014, 05:53:30 AM
Almost as obnoxious is spitting or phleming in the street.

I long for a future where a fleet of small hovering drones float around and DNA test gob on the pavement, then hunt down the perpetrator and deliver an extremely painful electric shock to them.

Same for dog owners who don't clean up after their dog.

Not as far off as you might think. Well not for the dog poo anyway
See here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/28/dna-test-dog-poop-naples-700_n_4876022.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/28/dna-test-dog-poop-naples-700_n_4876022.html)
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: Banners 16 April, 2014, 07:37:04 AM
: radiator
People who don't understand the concept of editing, so upload several thousand uninteresting, poorly-lit, out of focus and just plain bad pictures of their holiday/night out or especially their children on facebook, along with one or two good ones.

I once had a photographer who gave me 2 DVDs worth of unedited shots from a theatre show (we only needed one pic). All were taken from the same place, and from the same distance. The shots were appalling, but by quickly scrolling through the approx. 2,000 images, at least I got to see the play for free.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Banners 16 April, 2014, 07:41:36 AM
: radiator
You see this a lot in the cinema - when the lights go up there's invariably popcorn and drinks cups all over the shop. Certain people seem to think that just because someone is employed to clean an area, it's totally fine to just throw whatever crap they want on the floor.

The contrary argument – which better applies to not clearing your table in McDonald's – is that you're creating employment.
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: TordelBack 16 April, 2014, 07:51:45 AM
The contrary argument – which better applies to not clearing your table in McDonald's – is that you're creating employment.

Also applies to vandalism, alcoholism, obesity, child abuse... whole industries would vanish overnight if we behaved like decent human beings.  Won't somebody think of the economy! 

Or at least read the odd Future Shock.   ;)
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: JamesC 16 April, 2014, 07:53:29 AM
Brand Loyalty/evangelism.

People who blindly buy products simply because they support a particular brand and will defend said products as being the best (see teenage designer/sports label peer pressure and people who never grow out of it).

People who will slag off all competing products to the product that have chosen to support (Marvel/DC rivalry and game console wars).

People who won't buy foreign but won't accept that they already have (loads of these as most British manufacturing is now foreign owned but the best example is people who were still buying over priced, crap Rovers because they were British).
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Moggot Lover 16 April, 2014, 09:03:14 AM
Seeing people driving their cars using mobiles, or even worse Ipads. How this doesn't register in their brains, that driving while using 8-10 inch tablet is dangerous and down right stupid beyond belief >:(
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Banners 16 April, 2014, 09:24:56 AM
Software updates.

You spend hours getting everything just right and how you want it, then an update comes along offering fancy new features or a critical fix, and then it buggers everything.

Case in point, my Synology server that I use for backups – which was quite happy prior to the Heartbleed fix. After the update, the 1TB disks have become 100% full for some reason, up from around 650GB (I can't access music from my phone any more either, but that's a minor issue).

So now I have to spend time which I can ill afford fixing all this, or coming up with a workaround.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Dandontdare 16 April, 2014, 09:42:26 AM
Software updates.

You spend hours getting everything just right and how you want it, then an update comes along offering fancy new features or a critical fix, and then it buggers everything.

Oh god yes - which numpty at microsoft decided that windows users were just too damn busy to click the little square to maximise a window? So they made it impossible to drag a small window anywhere near the edges of the screen without it automatically maximising. WHY???? (Finally found out how to switch this off however!)
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: CrazyFoxMachine 16 April, 2014, 10:03:58 AM
Software update

Not sure what happened but a new Wacom update rendered my tablet inert. I had to reinstall it from scratch to get it going again - roll back the update.

THANKS WACOM. THACOM.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Recrewt 16 April, 2014, 12:22:34 PM
Yeah, litter is the one thing that brings out my inner Dredd,  fly-tipping even more so.  When I see it, 'it's knee-poppin' time' as the great man might say.

There has been an interesting scenario playing out in the UK over the last few years.  The Tips Household Recycling Centres all got these booths and you were stopped on entry and asked about what you had.  A friend was doing some garden work and had a few bags of rubble/soil that he took.  This needed a couple of trips but on the second visit they started getting a bit shirty and advised there was a limit to the number of bags of rubble he could bring in a day.  He managed to get rid of what he had and even pointed out that he doesn't normally do such work every day so averaged over the year, he would be well under the bags per day limit. 

My point (I'm sure there was a point).  Oh yeah - the clampdown at the HRCs seemed to have a strange correlation with an increase in fly tipping.  Now I am not condoning such behaviour but imagine the shock at council HQ when they realised that if you make it harder for folks to get rid of stuff then some people will just lob it in a ditch somewhere.  In my opinion, excessively penalising people because of our over-packaged, throwaway society is not really tackling the problem at source.

The good news is that the booths have disappeared from the HRC and I am now trusted to put my cardboard in the skip sign-posted 'cardboard'.   :D

   
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: Molch-R 16 April, 2014, 12:29:34 PM
My point (I'm sure there was a point).  Oh yeah - the clampdown at the HRCs seemed to have a strange correlation with an increase in fly tipping.  Now I am not condoning such behaviour but imagine the shock at council HQ when they realised that if you make it harder for folks to get rid of stuff then some people will just lob it in a ditch somewhere.  In my opinion, excessively penalising people because of our over-packaged, throwaway society is not really tackling the problem at source.

Tea break interjection as I used to work in the comms team for Leeds council and we dealt with a lot of fly tipping: the shirtiness is undoubtedly because councils have to be eagle-eyed about tradesmen using waste recycling centres to avoid charges for the disposal of commercial waste. The increase in fly tipping is down to those businesses trying to avoid costs, coupled with government-imposed charges for removal of larger items from residential properties - it's not a recent thing either.
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: Theblazeuk 16 April, 2014, 01:03:50 PM
Litter.

It doesn't seem as much of a problem in Britain as it is here in Ireland, but fecking hell, it gets my goat.

I listened to an old Adam and Joe podcast the other day which holds a revealing anectdote; a guy is on a train in Ireland and asks the ticket conductor where the bin is. The conductor holds out his hand, takes the kitkat wrapper - and then opens the window on the train and throws it out. He says "There's a bin that never gets full" and walks off.

Which led to the famous tourism slogan "Ireland, the bin that never gets full" (and lots of Irish accents which oi refrained from spelling out here).
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: Recrewt 16 April, 2014, 01:09:43 PM
Tea break interjection as I used to work in the comms team for Leeds council and we dealt with a lot of fly tipping: the shirtiness is undoubtedly because councils have to be eagle-eyed about tradesmen using waste recycling centres to avoid charges for the disposal of commercial waste. The increase in fly tipping is down to those businesses trying to avoid costs, coupled with government-imposed charges for removal of larger items from residential properties - it's not a recent thing either.

Oh yes, I remember the time I moved to my first flat and used the rental van to take some stuff to the Tip.  They were very interested in me that day but eventually I was able to persuade them that XXXX Van Rental, as written on the side of the van, was not my business.  ;)
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Jon 16 April, 2014, 01:33:43 PM
Software update

Not sure what happened but a new Wacom update rendered my tablet inert. I had to reinstall it from scratch to get it going again - roll back the update.

THANKS WACOM. THACOM.

Yeah, if it's the Intuous 2 (or 3, I forget) you're talking about then don't try using up to date drivers. It gives it the jitters. Sorry, should've said.
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: radiator 16 April, 2014, 04:11:48 PM
Enormously petty and first world problems and all that, but it always grinds my gears when I go to use the computer or iPad and have to wade through several hundred* browser tabs that my girlfriend has left open - and she goes apeshit if I dare to close them down. I've given up trying to explain bookmarks.

*That's not an exaggeration.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: radiator 16 April, 2014, 04:14:15 PM
Badly-designed products - especially extremely simple products that are designed to do one thing, like my kettle which is incapable of pouring water without dribbling and spilling it everywhere.
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: Tiplodocus 16 April, 2014, 04:17:43 PM
When you have to put your hand into the manky water to unplug a sink, I reckon it's badly designed.
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: Dandontdare 16 April, 2014, 04:19:24 PM
Enormously petty and first world problems and all that, but it always grinds my gears when I go to use the computer or iPad and have to wade through several hundred* browser tabs that my girlfriend has left open - and she goes apeshit if I dare to close them down. I've given up trying to explain bookmarks.

*That's not an exaggeration.

I have the opposite problem trying to train my dad  - if you tell him to look at a different website, he closes the whole browser down and starts again, he can't seem to grasp the concept of multiple tabs or windows!
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: radiator 16 April, 2014, 04:54:03 PM
Enormously petty and first world problems and all that, but it always grinds my gears when I go to use the computer or iPad and have to wade through several hundred* browser tabs that my girlfriend has left open - and she goes apeshit if I dare to close them down. I've given up trying to explain bookmarks.

*That's not an exaggeration.

I have the opposite problem trying to train my dad  - if you tell him to look at a different website, he closes the whole browser down and starts again, he can't seem to grasp the concept of multiple tabs or windows!

To paraphrase Mark from Peep Show.

"Old people are just like us, really. Except they think that when you open a new window on the computer the old one is gone forever."
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: Keef Monkey 16 April, 2014, 05:08:17 PM
My current peeve is (and it happens almost every day either there or back) - People who sit across the table from me on the train and put their handbag/rucksack/briefcase on the floor in front of their feet. It might seem silly but it's annoying because that's where my feet are supposed to go.

Being quite lanky it makes that hour there and back every day quite uncomfortable. I would never say anything though, that would be impolite.
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: von Boom 16 April, 2014, 07:22:01 PM
Google Chromebooks. Just received one we purchased online for an upcoming trip. Guess what. The bloody thing won't power up. Even plugged in. Thank you HP/Google.  >:(
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Steve Green 16 April, 2014, 08:05:15 PM
Bottles stuck in hedges.

They don't want to drop it on the ground, but will still ignore the bin that's 20 feet away.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: radiator 16 April, 2014, 08:34:20 PM
People #who #excessively #hashtag to #the #point where #it looks #desperately #needy.

When people use nonsensical, pointless hashtags as a way of #makingalamejoke.

People who say the word 'hashtag' out loud before making a statement - you are the kind of prick who used to say '.com' after making a statement, and you sound just as cretinous.

I actually don't know why I even bother using Twitter - I just find it mildly irritating most of the time.
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: radiator 16 April, 2014, 08:39:22 PM
Showboating on social media - ie posting links to right-on political causes, or scientific news or that kind of thing. It's more often than not an empty gesture designed purely to make the person posting it look/feel more clever/political/worthy. I've seen statistics that say many online articles are linked to far more than they're actually read.
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: CrazyFoxMachine 16 April, 2014, 08:49:28 PM
...man this thread was created for you, wasn't it Radiator?

Weren't people banging on about emigrating making you less grumpy?! Sheeeesssh.

What grinds my gears is Marvel killing members of its colourful clan just to boost sales. To the point that they're just really weirdly flippant about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIrb_uoKrQU - the Watcher gets his eyes pulled out and you get a variant version with glow-in-the-dark eyeballs. Don't know about you but this lapsed Marvelite is kind of sad about it.

I mean... I know he'll just get quietly resurrected in a few years time but - I mean, free gifts to promote a character's death? Just seems off.

Although to be fair to our beloved Tharg that frisbee of Cass's corpse provided with the last meg was vverrry tastefully done.
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: ZenArcade 16 April, 2014, 09:01:55 PM
Yeah well as long as our Cass is ok, I'm down with the whole thing. Z
Oh what really grinds my gears: as always - Sinister Dexter. Z
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: JamesC 16 April, 2014, 09:06:11 PM
Badly-designed products - especially extremely simple products that are designed to do one thing, like my kettle which is incapable of pouring water without dribbling and spilling it everywhere.

This.

Surely good design shouldn't cost any more than bad design. If you're commissioning someone to design you a kettle and it doesn't pour then they've fucked up and should start again.

I suppose the thing is that they're sometimes commissioned to design a black, space age looking kettle because they sell the best and the pouring function is a secondary consideration.
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: Mister Pops 16 April, 2014, 09:08:42 PM
I've seen statistics that say many online articles are linked to far more than they're actually read.

Could you post a link to those statistics?
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: von Boom 16 April, 2014, 09:22:56 PM

People who say the word 'hashtag' out loud before making a statement - you are the kind of prick who used to say '.com' after making a statement, and you sound just as cretinous.


This ranks up there with air quotes and saying quote/unquote when speaking.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: M.I.K. 16 April, 2014, 10:30:10 PM
'Creative' being used as a noun.

The word you are looking for is either 'creator' or 'creation'. Not creative. I don't care how many soddin' dictionaries it's in now, it never used to be a noun and it shouldn't be used as one now.

Not too long ago I did a bit of investigating to determine when and where this poncified paradigm of wrongness originated and what manner of creature had inflicted it upon our world. 

It turns out that the use of 'creative' as a noun first emerged in the US in the 1960s, among people who work in advertising.

Yep.



: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: JayzusB.Christ 17 April, 2014, 12:10:02 AM
Litter gets on my goat too, I live in the country, along a little road that's popular with walkers, really nice scenery etc. Every couple of week you get the bin bags fired in the ditch.
There have been several court cases out of it, stupid fu*kers leaving letters with their addresses in the bags.


Glad to hear it.  More of this would be appreciated.  (The court cases, not the bin bags.)
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: SuperSurfer 17 April, 2014, 12:22:59 AM
The walking dead ie those who walk like zombies blocking people's path eg on the pavement or tube. Are they oblivious to the tailback they create or do they do it on purpose? The worst offenders being those who piss about with their mobile phones while walking Slo-Mo style, elbows out making it nigh on impossible to circumnavigate around them.

On the other hand, people who try to organise their fellow commuters on the tube. Overconfident organiser types who momentarily forget they are bossing around underlings at their workplace and yell out orders along the lines of "Can you move along! Can you move along!" In some ways, reasonable behaviour – but it sure grinds my gears because the perpetrators come across as cocky, smug, brash, etc. 

One more. Those who are baffled by the concept of a doorway/entrance/exit and freeze when boarding or alighting from a bus or train as if they are preparing themselves for some sort of dimension jump. Go, stay, get off, don't get off, go, stay.

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: TordelBack 17 April, 2014, 07:50:27 AM
Along the same lines, people who stand motionless and silent in front of you in the endless checkout queue in Lidl, then slowly and carefully pack their 5,000 items in a complex nest of thermal bags, and then look in apparent puzzlement at the cashier when asked for money.  Whereupon they only then commence looking for their purse/wallet amongst their many-layered purchases.

There's always going to be a financial exchange here. Always.  Have your bloody money out, hell, pass the wasted hours of the queue estimating your bill so you have roughly the right cash.  Anything that would move things along.  But please don't look surprised by this unlikely turn of events.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Fungus 17 April, 2014, 08:06:44 AM
Yourself/myself.

This grinds my gears daily.
Just because 90% it seems get this wrong doesn't make them right.
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: Banners 17 April, 2014, 08:07:54 AM
Feedback.

Every time I seem to complete an online or phone transaction, I get an email, text or automated phone call asking for feedback. Orange expect you to play a bizarre game of '20 Questions'.

My feedback is to ask that you stop asking for feedback. Otherwise, I am happy to recommend ways to improve your business – if you're happy to pay my 'Management Consultancy' rate of £2,000 per hour.
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: JayzusB.Christ 17 April, 2014, 09:54:49 AM
The walking dead ie those who walk like zombies blocking people's path eg on the pavement or tube.

Aye.  Similarly, those who walk three abreast on narrow pavements, those who stop for chats in shop doorways, and those who stop suddenly for an about-turn on crowded pavements then look incensed when you inevitably bump into them.
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: Theblazeuk 17 April, 2014, 12:16:16 PM
One more. Those who are baffled by the concept of a doorway/entrance/exit and freeze when boarding or alighting from a bus or train as if they are preparing themselves for some sort of dimension jump. Go, stay, get off, don't get off, go, stay.

I go down into a hole in the ground and I am then displaced in both space and time.... prove I am not making some sort of dimension jump!

What grinds my gears - bike lanes. Bloody bike lanes. A recipe for running into parked cars, having people turn into you, suddenly finding yourself thrown back onto the road without any space to join traffic, or where they are any good, they go straight across an offroad and the joining traffic is either parked directly across your path or about to go over you anyway as they are only looking at the main road - and certainly no signs indicate that a bike lane goes straight through there so really it is not their fault (bless the folk who notice and leave a gap). Most annoyingly of all, whenever they are under construction they say "CYCLISTS DISMOUNT" and I say Sprock you nasshead.

Not to mention the 'super highways' or the worst idea ever, bike lanes that run straight through bus stops (i.e. the pavement, where people sit and stand and board their buses). Whatever government funding is secured by having bike lanes in your area should be removed from every single borough in Britain and someone who actually rides a bike should draw them out. So often make things worse rather than better.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Tiplodocus 17 April, 2014, 12:31:11 PM
People who refuse to acknowledge that language evolves and changes.



(Just kidding)
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: paddykafka 17 April, 2014, 01:00:12 PM
People on buses and other forms of public transport talking on their mobiles long and loudly. They are the primary reason that I have now all but given up using buses and so forth.

I've lost track of the number of times I've been stuck in the vicinity of some gobshite, waffling inanely on and on for-fucking-ever, about whatever aspect of their tedious, utterly inconsequential existences it is that they think they have some God-given right to annoy everyone else around them with. (And in my experience, women are the worst offenders of all).

Completely self-absorbed, stupid, ignorant, brain-dead, inconsiderate fucking morons!

What is wrong with simply saying to whoever is calling them: "I'm on the bus, etc. I'll call you back in X amount of minutes. Goodbye." ???

If Hell does exist, I have no doubt but that it will consist of an eternity welded to a bus seat and surrounded by dozens of these blathering shit-heads, all yakking away at full volume.
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: Trout 17 April, 2014, 01:32:13 PM
This thread.
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: Dandontdare 17 April, 2014, 01:40:28 PM
People on buses and other forms of public transport talking on their mobiles long and loudly. They are the primary reason that I have now all but given up using buses and so forth.

Best tactic is to lean in and take an active interest in the conversation with eye contact and lots of oohs, aahs and comments at the appropriate points - when they get pissed off and tell you that it's a private conversation, you reply that if it was a private conversation, they'd be having it in private and what we've actually got here is a public conversation.
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: CrazyFoxMachine 17 April, 2014, 01:48:43 PM
This thread.

Link Prime you've got a lot to answer for. It's like you've opened Pandora's Box - a Pandora's Box full of inane gripes that are individually irritating in context but when combined in written form look hideously depressing. Willing to bet a 'aren't other humans nice...' thread wouldn't get such traction ;)

PROVE ME WRONG.
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: Recrewt 17 April, 2014, 02:02:52 PM
What grinds my gears is Marvel killing members of its colourful clan just to boost sales. To the point that they're just really weirdly flippant about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIrb_uoKrQU - the Watcher gets his eyes pulled out and you get a variant version with glow-in-the-dark eyeballs. Don't know about you but this lapsed Marvelite is kind of sad about it.

HaHa!  That is excellent - I need to get me some Watcher eyeballs.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Fungus 17 April, 2014, 02:30:42 PM
People who refuse to acknowledge that language evolves and changes.

I don't acknowledge the platypus.
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: Skullmo 17 April, 2014, 02:33:43 PM
What grinds my gears is Marvel killing members of its colourful clan just to boost sales. To the point that they're just really weirdly flippant about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIrb_uoKrQU - the Watcher gets his eyes pulled out and you get a variant version with glow-in-the-dark eyeballs. Don't know about you but this lapsed Marvelite is kind of sad about it.

That clip is so annoying
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Tombo 17 April, 2014, 02:54:13 PM
You know what grinds my gears?  People who come to the checkout and use their mobile phones whilst I'm trying to serve them.  There's a reason we read out what you're buying and how much it costs you pillocks, sometimes a legally required reason (age restrictions, exemptions et al).

Last year I was on the till early doors, a woman come up yakking away on her phone, hands me her selection form and then turns her back on me as I read out her order for some bedding.  I give her the total she turns round, still talking away, and gives me the money.  I ask her if she wants to apply for a store card (which I have to do) and she replies that "No thanks, I'm in a hurry".

She then walks straight over to collection, plonks her ticket on the counter and waits as if expecting her order to be there already.  Her items come down a minute or two later and immediately she starts complaining that its the wrong colour, she wanted green not blue I must have put the wrong codes through.  The boss looks at the receipt, walks round to the tills, I give her the ladies selection form, lo and behold the customer had written the wrong numbers down.

The boss takes the lady to customer services and refunds the items and puts the right numbers through.  By this time I've served a couple of other customers so the lady (who still hasn't stopped talking on her phone) has to wait five minutes more whilst those orders come down.

As she's leaving the store another manager is just coming in and hears her telling the person on the other end of the phone that she's "running late now because the idiots in Argos got her order wrong"

TL:DR - Customers who talk on the phone are ignorant.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: mogzilla 17 April, 2014, 04:27:10 PM
checkout staff! more so the ones who are chatting as you are queued up about there facebook/night out

there was one ignorant woman at the chemist who was on the phone when I joined the till fair enough if it had been about work which it wasn't then she put the phone down looked at me ,I was smiling politely thinking I was gonna get served instead she started filling up tissues on the shelves
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Link Prime 17 April, 2014, 04:39:14 PM
This thread.

Link Prime you've got a lot to answer for. It's like you've opened Pandora's Box - a Pandora's Box full of inane gripes that are individually irritating in context but when combined in written form look hideously depressing.

So- like every thread on the forum then?  :D


Stop complaining everyone- other humans are actually very nice!
That new "uplifting" Coca Cola advert told me so.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Moggot Lover 17 April, 2014, 04:43:14 PM
txt spk.
When some one sends me a text using text speak or even worse an email, I just reply in English please!
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: von Boom 17 April, 2014, 04:43:42 PM
TL:DR - Customers who talk on the phone are ignorant.

I see this all the time. People seem to have forgotten that it's common courtesy to give your full attention to someone while they're helping you.

I know it's probably just me, but I still take my sunglasses off (if I'm wearing them) so I can look the person directly in the eyes.
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: Link Prime 17 April, 2014, 04:45:11 PM
txt spk.
When some one sends me a text using text speak or even worse an email, I just reply in English please!

Dnt b a h8r boi.

(Kill me now)
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: JayzusB.Christ 17 April, 2014, 08:32:47 PM
Best tactic is to lean in and take an active interest in the conversation with eye contact and lots of oohs, aahs and comments at the appropriate points - when they get pissed off and tell you that it's a private conversation, you reply that if it was a private conversation, they'd be having it in private and what we've actually got here is a public conversation.

When I grow up I'll have the balls to do that.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: The Enigmatic Dr X 17 April, 2014, 09:35:49 PM
You.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: radiator 18 April, 2014, 10:52:00 PM
Ooh - here's one! When you go to print out you flight boarding pass or event tickets to find that it opens as an  A4-sized PDF covered in full-colour ads and big fat blocks of solid black, forcing you to use an obscene amount of ink. What a load of horseshit!

I just open the PDFs in Photoshop, then crop the relevant bits. Take that, The Man!
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: Mardroid 20 April, 2014, 05:46:49 PM
Students at the college where I work who request something (usually a letter* or printout of past questions) then wait there expecting you to do it there and then. Then when you take your time.... or continue with the work you're actually doing when they make the request they'll sigh impatiently or (and this one really irritates me) exclaim "I'm waiiiitiing".

"What're you waiting for? I have three days to do this." Or "I've got until the end of the day. Lessons finish at five. Come back then."

"I'm not staying until then. I'm going at 2." (So the're even violating the rules concerning attendance** and are happy to tell me. Cheeky blighters.)

The really annoying thing is that often I'm likely to do it quickly for them too, just to get them out of my face to make my life easier. They were arrogant and annoying and they got rewarded for it.

Grrrrrr!


*We added a disclaimer on the Letter Request Form staying we should be allowed three days to complete their request to take into account other work we're currently undertaking. And to prevent annoying situations like the above. And do they read it? Sometimes... They'll still try to persuade (or demand) you to do it quickly...

** The majority of students at our college are foreign nationals who's visa is predicated on attending college for a specific amount of hours a week.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Banners 21 April, 2014, 10:29:57 PM
People obstructively queueing at petrol stations, because they haven't yet realised that the hoses on petrol pumps are cleverly designed to be long enough to reach both sides of your car.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: TordelBack 21 April, 2014, 11:37:41 PM
...or (and this one really irritates me) exclaim "I'm waiiiitiing".

Dear god.  No court in the land would convict you Mardroid, I say go for it...
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Proudhuff 22 April, 2014, 10:01:33 AM
People obstructively queueing at petrol stations, because they haven't yet realised that the hoses on petrol pumps are cleverly designed to be long enough to reach both sides of your car.

You think that, cause your local one does, then you cheerly drive pass the fools at some new place and fine out the ones there don't!  :-[
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: JayzusB.Christ 22 April, 2014, 04:44:00 PM
Just thought of another one which I observed while on a train with my parents the other day.
People on public transport who put large bags or cases beside them, when the train is busy.   I had a seat and so did my folks, but a lot of people were desperately trying to find one while some ignorant sack of shit made no effort to move his bag (taking advantage of most people's tendency to move on further down the train rather than make trouble).
My Dad, fair play to him, pointed a few stressed-looking seat-seekers towards the case-occupied seat, but nobody asked him to move it so the horrible little piece of dirt got to keep that all-important second seat to himself for the whole four-hour journey.
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: Frank 22 April, 2014, 04:54:30 PM
People obstructively queueing at petrol stations, because they haven't yet realised that the hoses on petrol pumps are cleverly designed to be long enough to reach both sides of your car

(draws knife across palm and presses hand into yours) You and I are brothers now, Banners.

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: von Boom 22 April, 2014, 05:29:17 PM
People obstructively queueing at petrol stations, because they haven't yet realised that the hoses on petrol pumps are cleverly designed to be long enough to reach both sides of your car

(draws knife across palm and presses hand into yours) You and I are brothers now, Banners.

Then you'll love this. Canadian MP will lose her seat over this:

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/04/03/eve-adams-carwash-gas-station_n_5084659.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/04/03/eve-adams-carwash-gas-station_n_5084659.html)
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Dandontdare 22 April, 2014, 07:00:33 PM
Just thought of another one which I observed while on a train with my parents the other day.
People on public transport who put large bags or cases beside them, when the train is busy.   I had a seat and so did my folks, but a lot of people were desperately trying to find one while some ignorant sack of shit made no effort to move his bag (taking advantage of most people's tendency to move on further down the train rather than make trouble).
My Dad, fair play to him, pointed a few stressed-looking seat-seekers towards the case-occupied seat, but nobody asked him to move it so the horrible little piece of dirt got to keep that all-important second seat to himself for the whole four-hour journey.

I just tell 'em to shift it. If they refuse, get the guard (or whatever they're called these days - transport facilitation executives or somesuch). If the people searching were too 'British' ("best not make a fuss") to consider asking him to move it, they deserve to stand.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: radiator 22 April, 2014, 07:09:29 PM
Just thought of another one which I observed while on a train with my parents the other day.
People on public transport who put large bags or cases beside them, when the train is busy.   I had a seat and so did my folks, but a lot of people were desperately trying to find one while some ignorant sack of shit made no effort to move his bag (taking advantage of most people's tendency to move on further down the train rather than make trouble).
My Dad, fair play to him, pointed a few stressed-looking seat-seekers towards the case-occupied seat, but nobody asked him to move it so the horrible little piece of dirt got to keep that all-important second seat to himself for the whole four-hour journey.

I just tell 'em to shift it. If they refuse, get the guard (or whatever they're called these days - transport facilitation executives or somesuch). If the people searching were too 'British' ("best not make a fuss") to consider asking him to move it, they deserve to stand.

I see where you're coming from, but at the same time, if I did that I'd probably find the following 4-hour train journey sitting next to the person I'd just grassed up unbearably awkward.
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: JayzusB.Christ 22 April, 2014, 10:40:01 PM

I just tell 'em to shift it.

Well, me too.  I already had a seat in this case, and I wasn't about to speak on someone else's behalf (though I kind of wanted to).
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Hawkmumbler 22 April, 2014, 10:55:29 PM
It's not so bad is the train is consistently half empty or less, but when it's rush hour theirs no excuse.
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: The Enigmatic Dr X 22 April, 2014, 11:03:46 PM
As a regular - sometimes four times a day - commuter, this really pisses me off. However, as I am a contrary bugger, I make a point of sitting in the seat rather than taking a free one.

I don't do so if it means I get two seats to myself, but if it is a choice between taking an empty seat beside a stranger or making a stranger move their bag, I go for the latter because most people don't have the brass neck to do so.

My favourite exchange:

ME: "May I sit there please?" (Passive agreesive and polite)

HER: "My bag is there."

ME: "Does it have a ticket?"

HER: -----

ME: "Only, because I do."

She then moved it.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Fungus 23 April, 2014, 12:23:18 AM
You are contrary, and beyond reproach in that exchange  :)
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: radiator 23 April, 2014, 06:47:19 AM
Selfies. Get over yourself.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: I, Cosh 23 April, 2014, 07:37:30 AM
As a regular - sometimes four times a day - commuter, this really pisses me off. However, as I am a contrary bugger, I make a point of sitting in the seat rather than taking a free one.

I don't do so if it means I get two seats to myself, but if it is a choice between taking an empty seat beside a stranger or making a stranger move their bag, I go for the latter because most people don't have the brass neck to do so.
Definitely one of my favourite things to do too.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Krakajac 23 April, 2014, 08:57:18 AM
Ads on TV for 'final expenses' insurance (aka funeral costs).  Normally narrated by an older person, attempting to lay a saccharine-coated guilt trip on the viewer.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Tiplodocus 23 April, 2014, 01:48:07 PM
Your Mum.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Tiplodocus 23 April, 2014, 01:51:32 PM
Equally annoying as the bag thing is when, on a busy commuter train, a person sits on the aisle seat leaving an empty seat by the window. 

I appreciate that some people may need to sit in the ailse seat to stretch legs for medical reasons or they feel too hot in the window seats and therefore don't just shuffle to the window when they see the train getting crowded.

But why, when you ask them to sit at the empty seat, do they look at you as if you have asked them to donate a lung or kidney?.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: The Doctor Alt 8 23 April, 2014, 04:20:28 PM
Just thought of another one which I observed while on a train with my parents the other day.
People on public transport who put large bags or cases beside them, when the train is busy.   I had a seat and so did my folks, but a lot of people were desperately trying to find one while some ignorant sack of shit made no effort to move his bag (taking advantage of most people's tendency to move on further down the train rather than make trouble).
My Dad, fair play to him, pointed a few stressed-looking seat-seekers towards the case-occupied seat, but nobody asked him to move it so the horrible little piece of dirt got to keep that all-important second seat to himself for the whole four-hour journey.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPUjjhO_DpU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPUjjhO_DpU)
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: JayzusB.Christ 23 April, 2014, 06:56:36 PM
Equally annoying as the bag thing is when, on a busy commuter train, a person sits on the aisle seat leaving an empty seat by the window. 

I appreciate that some people may need to sit in the ailse seat to stretch legs for medical reasons or they feel too hot in the window seats and therefore don't just shuffle to the window when they see the train getting crowded.

But why, when you ask them to sit at the empty seat, do they look at you as if you have asked them to donate a lung or kidney?.

This.


Nice bit of Ben Elton stuff there: I used to like him a lot, but these days, well, I'm afraid I'm fighting with Stewart Lee Block.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58ZIdyd3rjg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58ZIdyd3rjg)
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: Hawkmumbler 23 April, 2014, 07:14:03 PM
When people treat ethicaly concious people like a joke. Someone I know just shared a picture likening feminism to a pandemic. Muppet.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: radiator 23 April, 2014, 08:31:04 PM
Tipping.

No problem with it in the UK (despite inwardly sympathising to a certain extent with Mr Pink from Reservoir Dogs) - it's 10% or slightly more in restaurants, plus entirely optional rounding up/'keep the change' to cabbies, hairdressers and food delivery guys. Tips are for service - if someone's rude or unhelpful, they get less or none at all. Counter-service staff and barmen generally don't get any tips because they're not waiting on you personally and it's a less demanding job than the above.

In the US it's a total bloody nightmare, fraught with potential for awkwardness, especially with uptight Brits like me. I feel like I have to tip everyone, or risk everyone thinking a complete tightwad. For example I don't tip the staff in my local coffee shop as I pick up my coffee each morning, but am beginning to feel pressure that I should because the receipt to sign has a tip line on it. And what about the guy who installs cable? Furniture deliverymen? Cleaners? The people that pump your gas for you (mandatory in Oregon). Do cabbies expect 20%? Will they be offended if the fare is $8.50 and I pay ten and say keep the change? Where does it all end?!?!?!

It's way out of hand. Can't we all just force companies to pay staff more and do away with all but 100% optional tips awarded for above and beyond service levels?
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: JamesC 23 April, 2014, 10:02:40 PM
Tipping.

No problem with it in the UK (despite inwardly sympathising to a certain extent with Mr Pink from Reservoir Dogs) - it's 10% or slightly more in restaurants, plus entirely optional rounding up/'keep the change' to cabbies, hairdressers and food delivery guys. Tips are for service - if someone's rude or unhelpful, they get less or none at all. Counter-service staff and barmen generally don't get any tips because they're not waiting on you personally and it's a less demanding job than the above.

In the US it's a total bloody nightmare, fraught with potential for awkwardness, especially with uptight Brits like me. I feel like I have to tip everyone, or risk everyone thinking a complete tightwad. For example I don't tip the staff in my local coffee shop as I pick up my coffee each morning, but am beginning to feel pressure that I should because the receipt to sign has a tip line on it. And what about the guy who installs cable? Furniture deliverymen? Cleaners? The people that pump your gas for you (mandatory in Oregon). Do cabbies expect 20%? Will they be offended if the fare is $8.50 and I pay ten and say keep the change? Where does it all end?!?!?!

It's way out of hand. Can't we all just force companies to pay staff more and do away with all but 100% optional tips awarded for above and beyond service levels?

It seems to me that tipping is supposed to be a reflection of how 'you' feel about 'them' but your anxiety stems from worrying about how 'they' feel about 'you'.
I say tip as you please. If you were doing their job for their wage in the way they're doing it would you deserve to be tipped? If so then go ahead.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: oshii 23 April, 2014, 10:17:03 PM
Starting to reverse into what appears to be the only free parking space in the entire carpark, and then discovering it actually has a Smart car or Fiat 500 in it that you couldn't see.
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: Frank 23 April, 2014, 10:18:42 PM
If you were doing their job for their wage in the way they're doing it would you deserve to be tipped? If so then go ahead

It's not as clear cut as that. As radiator alludes to, tips aren't a nice bonus for US bar or diner staff as they are in the UK - they're often the only money someone receives for working their job. Even if your waitress forgets to smile when she asks you if you want a refill, I'm not sure her kids deserve to starve as punishment.

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: radiator 23 April, 2014, 10:31:09 PM
That's just it - in the UK that attitude is fair enough James, and is roughly what I outlined, but over here it's different. I get the impression that the whole tipping culture just gets more and more widespread as time goes by, to the point where it seems a lot of people think it's gotten a bit out of hand. Feeling social pressure to tip for a takeaway coffee just seems totally crazy to me, and it's not as if drivers, cabbies and cable installation guys earn below minimum wage, is it?

And while we're on the subject, those guys that lurk in the toilets of clubs - and sometimes even bars and pubs - and guilt you into paying them for the privilege of using the toilet/dispersal of unwanted aftershave and lollies(?!?!?) are the absolute fucking worst.

The venue we hired for our leaving party saw fit to put one in the toilets there. At a private party! What is this bullshit? Do bar owners deliberately set out to make their paying customers feel uncomfortable or what?
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: JamesC 23 April, 2014, 10:54:24 PM
If you were doing their job for their wage in the way they're doing it would you deserve to be tipped? If so then go ahead

It's not as clear cut as that. As radiator alludes to, tips aren't a nice bonus for US bar or diner staff as they are in the UK - they're often the only money someone receives for working their job. Even if your waitress forgets to smile when she asks you if you want a refill, I'm not sure her kids deserve to starve as punishment.

Yeah, well, that grinds my gears. If someone owns a business they should pay the staff properly as a cost of running it.
I'm not sure I could survive in that system - it goes too much against the grain for me. I think I'd just avoid service altogether.
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: TordelBack 23 April, 2014, 11:15:32 PM
Tipping freaks me out too, I never know what to do, especially overseas.  That said, my old man is a tour guide (a below minimum wage job), and he's just back from visiting my brother and his grandchildren in Australia solely from the last two years' tips...
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: radiator 23 April, 2014, 11:26:56 PM
Yeah, well, that grinds my gears. If someone owns a business they should pay the staff properly as a cost of running it.
I'm not sure I could survive in that system - it goes too much against the grain for me. I think I'd just avoid service altogether.

Don't come to America, then ;). Seriously, restaurants are everywhere, and supermarkets are horrendously expensive, especially in big cities - even in the local Tesco/Sainsburys equivalents - so that cooking a meal for yourself seems to work out only slightly cheaper than dining out. It seems like it's more of the way of life here to have someone else cook for you, so tipping is unavoidable.
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: Link Prime 23 April, 2014, 11:44:00 PM
Tipping.

No problem with it in the UK (despite inwardly sympathising to a certain extent with Mr Pink from Reservoir Dogs)

Cough up a buck ya bum!

My lifetime exposure to the States has been limited to a week in New York, and even in that short timespan it was plainly obvious that tipping was out of control / hilarious depending on your mood.
Plus the fact it doesn't appear to be a social stigma to brazenly ask for a tip (or a bigger tip than what you'd given)!

Best one was the hotel janitor who actually asked me for 15 Dollars for 'minding our bags' while we went out for an hour for breakfast.
I gave him the change in my pocket (about $6.50) and a thin smile.
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: maryanddavid 24 April, 2014, 12:20:59 AM
The States is MENTAL when it comes to tipping, If someone looks at you they expect a tip and they are not shy about telling you they deserve a tip. At least in the bar's, the Barman is tipped, but he buys a round at some stage, so at least you don't feel totally fleeced. Different way of doing things I suppose, but it does take a bit of getting used to.
 
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: Trout 24 April, 2014, 01:46:37 AM
Yeah, well, that grinds my gears. If someone owns a business they should pay the staff properly as a cost of running it.
I'm not sure I could survive in that system - it goes too much against the grain for me. I think I'd just avoid service altogether.

Don't come to America, then ;). Seriously, restaurants are everywhere, and supermarkets are horrendously expensive, especially in big cities - even in the local Tesco/Sainsburys equivalents - so that cooking a meal for yourself seems to work out only slightly cheaper than dining out. It seems like it's more of the way of life here to have someone else cook for you, so tipping is unavoidable.

Tipping's normal. You get used to it. But you should make the effort, or you do look like a tightwad.  :)
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: Frank 24 April, 2014, 07:03:03 AM
Best one was the hotel janitor who actually asked me for 15 Dollars for 'minding our bags' while we went out for an hour for breakfast

The first couple of series of Boardwalk Empire offer the most compelling explanation of US society, their economy, and political culture. Nothing happens unless everyone can skim a buck for themselves along the way, that system's administered by folks who do exactly the same themselves, and nobody sees anything wrong with that - they just want a piece of the action.

The part of the US retail experience which fucks with my head is sticker prices that exclude sales tax, so when you get to the till everything's a little more expensive than you thought. Mental.

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: TordelBack 24 April, 2014, 09:32:31 AM
The part of the US retail experience which fucks with my head is sticker prices that exclude sales tax, so when you get to the till everything's a little more expensive than you thought. Mental.

That is truly crazy, and if you're travelling around even more so: just when you have one State's tax sorted out in your head, here's another one to remember.

I do love the Lisa and Marge exchange over the actual price of her $1 pink Chanel suit..
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: Colin Zeal 24 April, 2014, 10:10:54 AM
I agree with the complaint upthread about washroom attendants. Why should I feel obliged to hand over money every time I use the toilet just because someone has turned on a tap which I could easily do myself. I think I am aggrieved by these attendants as the memory of one in particular is so strong. He had all sorts of songs/rhymes as to why you should get some aftershave from him - "No Davidoff, go home and wank it off" and "No cologne, go home alone" being the ones that I can still remember.
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: Jim_Campbell 24 April, 2014, 10:51:45 AM
supermarkets are horrendously expensive, especially in big cities - even in the local Tesco/Sainsburys equivalents - so that cooking a meal for yourself seems to work out only slightly cheaper than dining out.

Well, 'cheaper' in the sense that the price on the menu looks reasonable, but excludes the real cost of labour, which you're expected to add on and pay yourself.* That, coupled with other people mentioning sales tax makes buying stuff in the States sound like a bit of a crap shoot, TBH!

Cheers

Jim

*I think I'd cook for myself on general principle.
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: Mister Pops 24 April, 2014, 11:24:09 AM

And while we're on the subject, those guys that lurk in thye toilets of clubs - and sometimes even bars and pubs - and guilt you into paying them for the privilege of using the toilet/dispersal of unwanted aftershave and lollies(?!?!?) are the absolute fucking worst.

The venue we hired for our leaving party saw fit to put one in the toilets there. At a private party! What is this bullshit? Do bar owners deliberately set out to make their paying customers feel uncomfortable or what?

In my experience, those people are rarely actual employees of the bar. They just show up and are tolerated, because you would not believe the state in which punters will unashamedly leave a pub toilet. Having those guys around removes the punter's desire to stage a spontaneous dirty protest
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: Recrewt 24 April, 2014, 11:38:23 AM
And while we're on the subject, those guys that lurk in thye toilets of clubs - and sometimes even bars and pubs - and guilt you into paying them for the privilege of using the toilet/dispersal of unwanted aftershave and lollies(?!?!?) are the absolute fucking worst.

Bog Trolls  :(
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: The Doctor Alt 8 24 April, 2014, 01:10:39 PM
Anemic toast.


That really annoys me. When you are served breakfast at a hotel / guest house and you are served toast that is little more than sundried bread. Just how mean / lazy / incompetent / inconsiderate do you have to be not to spend a couple of minutes browning the bread that you are serving as toast?
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: Mister Pops 24 April, 2014, 03:03:52 PM
...barmen generally don't get any tips because they're not waiting on you personally and it's a less demanding job than the above.

If you don't want to tip barmen that's fine*, but don't try and tell me that dealing with drunken arseholes and cleaning up after them isn't a demanding job.

*and if the bar is busy, expect a long wait for your drinks. TIPS: To Insure Prompt Service
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: radiator 24 April, 2014, 04:22:16 PM
...barmen generally don't get any tips because they're not waiting on you personally and it's a less demanding job than the above.

If you don't want to tip barmen that's fine*, but don't try and tell me that dealing with drunken arseholes and cleaning up after them isn't a demanding job.

*and if the bar is busy, expect a long wait for your drinks. TIPS: To Insure Prompt Service

Fair point, being a barman - which I've done - is no piece of cake, but most of the time (pretty much any time that isn't Friday or Saturday night) it's pretty much stress-free, even kind of fun. I always found waiting (waitering?) far more demanding, and it's a job I've never lasted long at.

I was also talking in broad terms - in the UK, you might buy the barman the odd drink, but it's entirely discretionary. Over here, if you don't tip at least a dollar a drink you're some kind of freak.
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: Skullmo 24 April, 2014, 07:56:07 PM
...barmen generally don't get any tips because they're not waiting on you personally and it's a less demanding job than the above.

If you don't want to tip barmen that's fine*, but don't try and tell me that dealing with drunken arseholes and cleaning up after them isn't a demanding job.

*and if the bar is busy, expect a long wait for your drinks. TIPS: To Insure Prompt Service

Fair point, being a barman - which I've done - is no piece of cake, but most of the time (pretty much any time that isn't Friday or Saturday night) it's pretty much stress-free, even kind of fun. I always found waiting (waitering?) far more demanding, and it's a job I've never lasted long at.

I was also talking in broad terms - in the UK, you might buy the barman the odd drink, but it's entirely discretionary. Over here, if you don't tip at least a dollar a drink you're some kind of freak.

Yeah that annoyed me when i was in the states - the saving grace was that the whiskeys in America are huge!
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: Mister Pops 24 April, 2014, 10:15:40 PM
I once read an article that went state by state, pointing out how many hours you'd have to work on minimum wage, without tips, to make rent for the most basic accommodation in that state. The lowest was one of those mostly rectangular states, where you'd have to work at least 60 hours for the privilege of living in a hovel. The highest was New York state, where you would have to work at least 200 hours to live in a shitehole. No doubt the teapartiers would accuse you of being a lazy freeloader for not working 32 hours more than physically exist in a week. This is exacerbated by state governors blocking motions to raise minimum wages.

Overall, it's pretty shitty that American employers expect their customers to pay (or at least subsidise) their employees wage packets.
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: The Doctor Alt 8 25 April, 2014, 05:00:38 AM
I once read an article that went state by state, pointing out how many hours you'd have to work on minimum wage, without tips, to make rent for the most basic accommodation in that state. The lowest was one of those mostly rectangular states, where you'd have to work at least 60 hours for the privilege of living in a hovel. The highest was New York state, where you would have to work at least 200 hours to live in a shitehole. No doubt the teapartiers would accuse you of being a lazy freeloader for not working 32 hours more than physically exist in a week. This is exacerbated by state governors blocking motions to raise minimum wages.

Overall, it's pretty shitty that American employers expect their customers to pay (or at least subsidise) their employees wage packets.
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My opinion on this is... If you genuinely cannot afford to pay an employee a decent wage... You should not be an employer.
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: TordelBack 25 April, 2014, 08:28:27 AM
My opinion on this is... If you genuinely cannot afford to pay an employee a decent wage... You should not be an employer.

S'right. 

Worth noting (again) that by way of massaging unemployment figures it is government policy here in Oirland to push 'internships' and 'JobBridge' and BTW schemes which are essentially unpaid jobs, irrespective of the qualifications of the employee and the value of the experience/likelihood of further work - to the point where it is very difficult to get even minimum wage professional work, or more significantly to compete for contracts, because many posts are held by experienced graduates costing their employers a few quid a week. By way of example. I was sub-contracting a job at minimum wage (in itself a joke) for a while earlier this year, but when my tendered period was up I discovered that my replacement in the role was an BTW-scheme employee of the contractor, fully qualified, 8 years experience, and was costing his employer 20 euro a day (against a daily charge-out of well over 100 euro).  He'll do the job perfectly well, and it's all above board, but pretty difficult for anyone to compete with that kind of outlay/profit margin. 

The real only option for competition would be to take someone on on the same basis, charge them out even lower, and skim the ever-diminishing difference, pushing competitive rates down across the board and accentuating the problem.

Pay people a living wage and all that goes away.
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: Moggot Lover 25 April, 2014, 09:57:23 AM
Anemic toast.


That really annoys me. When you are served breakfast at a hotel / guest house and you are served toast that is little more than sundried bread. Just how mean / lazy / incompetent / inconsiderate do you have to be not to spend a couple of minutes browning the bread that you are serving as toast?

This!
Its called toast, not luke warm bread.
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: The Doctor Alt 8 25 April, 2014, 04:23:02 PM
Thanks!

Oh and another thing the tone of the current - Cancer Research UK‎ adverts.

Sorry but Cancer is a disease caused by a malfunction of cells, causing them to constantly divide (Put very very simplistically) It is obvious that it has many causes .. some genetic, some environmental etc...

It is not a sentient being. It does not have thoughts and feelings.....

having a campaign that basically insults a thing as if expecting it to react is just... mindbogglingly stupid.

Are they expecting cancer to have a meeting and say "Well if that'd what you think of us... we'll clear off then!"

Now i am sure that the advertising dudes who came up with this particular strategy must of thought they were being cleaver... and I am not saying that raising money for research into cancer isn't a worthwhile cause... of course it is.

I've had a minor cancer scare.... that turned out negative.
I am lucky to come from a family that hasn't a predisposition to this illness...

But this isn't the way to do it.

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: Banners 26 April, 2014, 10:14:28 AM
The NHS' consistent utter disregard for punctuality.
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: JamesC 26 April, 2014, 10:31:54 AM
Little dry crusty bits falling from the rim of the milk carton into your tea.
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: mogzilla 26 April, 2014, 01:01:22 PM
The NHS' consistent utter disregard for punctuality.

this...and I work for 'em
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: Ancient Otter 26 April, 2014, 07:37:12 PM
My opinion on this is... If you genuinely cannot afford to pay an employee a decent wage... You should not be an employer.

May I please add:

If you do not want to pay an employee a decent wage... You should not be an employer.
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: The Enigmatic Dr X 26 April, 2014, 08:28:56 PM
Other peoples' children.

How true this statement is: "Children are like farts. You quite like your own, but can't stand someone else's"
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: Old Tankie 26 April, 2014, 08:39:57 PM
People parking in disabled bays who are not disabled.  I really hope they find out themselves one day why the disabled bays are there.

Cars parking on the pavements, stopping people in wheelchairs, and on mobility scooters, getting past and thus forcing them into the road.
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: Mister Pops 26 April, 2014, 10:32:57 PM
People parking in disabled bays who are not disabled.  I really hope they find out themselves one day why the disabled bays are there.

Cars parking on the pavements, stopping people in wheelchairs, and on mobility scooters, getting past and thus forcing them into the road.

I worked in a car park for a few years. If you didn't didn't know any better, you'd assume the rules just didn't apply to BMWs. They wouldn't always take a disabled bay though. Sometimes they'd take 2.
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: Goaty 27 April, 2014, 09:18:31 AM
This idiot girl cut her arm and post photo of it on Facebook this morning cos she feels alone. Why people do that to want an attention. :(
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: Hawkmumbler 27 April, 2014, 10:05:19 AM
This idiot girl cut her arm and post photo of it on Facebook this morning cos she feels alone. Why people do that to want an attention. :(
People like this piss me off because this isn't depression manifested as slef harm. This is attention seeking, pure and simple. People who are so fed up with their own existance that they feel the need to harm themselves to relieve the pain generally have to many insecurities to make these act's public. Their also a very deffinet differnece between shallow cuts made for effect and those applied by a manic depressive
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: TordelBack 27 April, 2014, 10:08:38 AM
No doubt.  But there still have to be serious problems there of a different sort to end up with that kind of behaviour. 
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: JamesC 27 April, 2014, 01:34:09 PM
It doesn't piss me off it just makes me a bit sad.
I think that as a society, we do a pretty bad job of educating our young people, of giving them a sense of purpose and of allowing them to be themselves. Many teenagers and young people are just trying out different 'roles' as a method of attempting self expression. That they can't find a better way to express themselves isn't totally their fault.
I guess in a simplistic way you could call it 'attention seeking' but what's so wrong with that? We're social creatures and we all want attention from someone.
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: Hawkmumbler 27 April, 2014, 02:26:14 PM
I do think their is a serious difference between seeking the approval of those around you and just doing something "saddening" to get attention from people who don't know you.
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: The Doctor Alt 8 27 April, 2014, 02:49:20 PM
My opinion on this is... If you genuinely cannot afford to pay an employee a decent wage... You should not be an employer.

May I please add:

If you do not want to pay an employee a decent wage... You should not be an employer.


Well quite! But an amazing amount of employers plead poverty when things like national insurance rates go up.

I don't believe them... And those lieing little scrot bags probably make up 99.9% of them.... But they won't admit it and there is possibly a couple of honest ones desperately trying to keep / start up a business and not wanting to sack their employees because they actually might care.

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: mogzilla 27 April, 2014, 04:40:02 PM
This idiot girl cut her arm and post photo of it on Facebook this morning cos she feels alone. Why people do that to want an attention. :(

hardly fair to call her an idiot,it could be a cry for help.
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: Fungus 27 April, 2014, 04:46:49 PM
This idiot girl cut her arm and post photo of it on Facebook this morning cos she feels alone. Why people do that to want an attention. :(

hardly fair to call her an idiot,it could be a cry for help.

'Idiot' doesn't help.
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: The Doctor Alt 8 27 April, 2014, 04:59:09 PM
Self harm is a serious issue...
And I am willing to bet that it is an underrated a d that there are many forms not recognized by the medical professions.

If by this post she gets the help she clearly knows she needs... Then that is a good thing. At least hopefully others in her position will contact her with help & support.
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: Hawkmumbler 27 April, 2014, 05:15:00 PM
Thing is with the current generation (i.e. My own) is that media hysteria seem's to be burnt into our systems regarding 'mental health' and 'how to cope with it'. Rather than simply be allowed to be sad for one reason or another the media would rather build up massive complexes and statistics. It's bloody disorientating and was a major factor for my own break down.
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: Goaty 27 April, 2014, 05:47:41 PM
I am sorry as idiot is not wrong word, as notice as she post a picture of very little cut, but not cutting or bleed, but she post that she want to cut more with scissor cos no-one talk to her (friends/family but I notice her post was at 6.30am on Sunday!!!)

I knew some people who is self-harmers, but they hide it not show it to people. and this girl only 32, and want attention.
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: mogzilla 27 April, 2014, 08:41:59 PM
you cannot possibly know what is going on in this womans head. 32 doesn't make you immune from mental health problems, how do you know it isn't as I said some sort of cry for help rather than "attention seeking" as you so sensitively put it not all self harmers hide it ,some do. lets just hope she gets the "attention" before she does more damage or kills herself wether she means to or not...perhaps being on facebook you could reach out to her and tell her to pull herself together.or" get over it",something helpful like that.
 >:(
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: Hawkmumbler 27 April, 2014, 08:54:29 PM
I'm not saying she definitely isn't suffering from some form of deppression. I'm pointing out that people with self harm tendencies don't tend to post them on facebook because, shock horror, they tend not to want people to know about their condition. Flaunting a mental illness on facebook is, horrifyingly, considered a 'statement' amongst many teenagers I was in school with.
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: mogzilla 27 April, 2014, 09:00:08 PM
wasn't aimed at you hawk, just offended by the term "idiot" facebook might be the only way she feels she can talk about it or raise the subject. I know plenty who treat it as their life
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: von Boom 30 April, 2014, 04:50:42 PM
When your boss comes to you expecting the work assigned to you is done when you said it would be. I mean sheesh.  ::)
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: mogzilla 01 May, 2014, 04:43:06 PM
health and safety monkeys... last week one of our kids nearly died at work I got wrist slapped cos I risked putting my back out helping him ,I didn't ,he was ok and I promised not to do it again with fingers firmly crossed behind my back.
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: GrinningChimera 02 May, 2014, 01:56:26 AM
Screaming children. They are not mine so why should I have to listen to them? Noise control should come and remove them and put them in a small box. Far far away. Like on the moon.

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: radiator 02 May, 2014, 02:08:25 AM
We went to a pub - a pub - recently, and there were a family in there whose children were watching films on a portable DVD player with the volume cranked up to full so the whole place could hear it. Unbelievable.
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: GrinningChimera 02 May, 2014, 08:46:29 AM
We went to a pub - a pub - recently, and there were a family in there whose children were watching films on a portable DVD player with the volume cranked up to full so the whole place could hear it. Unbelievable.

And I bet they didn't even have the decency to watch a good film either huh?

Wankers who use a tablet as a camera. Especially in restaurants. Nothing makes you look like a massive knob like using a tablet as a camera in public places. If you can afford a tablet you can afford a camera surely!
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: TordelBack 02 May, 2014, 09:14:30 AM
Wankers who use a tablet as a camera.

My mother has just started doing this.  An avid photographer in her younger days, she drilled me in f-stops and apertures before she would ever let me near a camera, and when the prints came back was vicious in her critique of my composition and exposure  - all of which I am very grateful for.  Every camera she owned was in some repeatedly-described way inadequate, and buying her equipment for presents was a minefield: I remember an external flash my father gave her one Christmas was the source of much seasonal acrimony, and was returned the day the shop re-opened.  Digital cameras (pre-DSLR) were to be avoided in her presence because the correct arm/face position couldn't be achieved.

Now at 72 she grins as she holds up the 9" iPad my brother bought her, looking like every other clueless goon and I visibly cringe to see it. 

But her pictures are amazing

Just another tool.
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: Jim_Campbell 02 May, 2014, 09:19:51 AM
If you can afford a tablet you can afford a camera surely!

But if your preferred viewing platform for the photos is your tablet, why would you use a different device to take the pictures?

Cheers

Jim
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: GrinningChimera 02 May, 2014, 09:20:18 AM
I ment them other people tb....

:D

no offense ment to yer mum

or anyone elses for that matter
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: GrinningChimera 02 May, 2014, 09:22:55 AM


But if your preferred viewing platform for the photos is your tablet, why would you use a different device to take the pictures?

Cheers

Jim

It's more the taking the tablet out in public thing that gets me. Maybe I'm just not with it.
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: TordelBack 02 May, 2014, 09:24:16 AM
no offense ment to yer mum

Oh no, the whole thing is ghastly, I agree. Worse still because the results of all this obvious idiocy are so bloody good. 

Personally I'm still undecided about integral light-meters.
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: Old Tankie 02 May, 2014, 09:49:50 AM
Have I read that correctly, TB, your Dad gave your Mum an external flash?  Keep it in the bedroom, I say!!
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: TordelBack 02 May, 2014, 10:02:05 AM
Have I read that correctly, TB, your Dad gave your Mum an external flash?  Keep it in the bedroom, I say!!

Hah! 
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: CrazyFoxMachine 02 May, 2014, 10:28:26 AM
Went to a gig (a free one :thumbsup:) last night and the first band (third support) did that thing  - they were all about 15 years younger than everyone else and had a full entourage - and when they'd finished they went and sat elsewhere in the pub and ignored the other two bands. Didn't leave - just didn't engage with them - and talked loudly amongst themselves for the rest of the night. I know you're not obligated to watch the other bands on the bill but at least go full douche and leave rather than filling the non-gig bit with scoffing teens with that sort of swooshy haircut they all seem to have.

Thing that I left out because it sort of ruins the rant: Their swooshy haired guitarist alone stood enraptured at the front for the other two performances and looked genuinely buzzed at the end of all of it and had a steely-eyed "this is what I want to do with my life" expression on his face which was quite profound.
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: TordelBack 02 May, 2014, 10:33:40 AM
... that sort of swooshy haircut they all seem to have...

Professional jealousy amongst the enhaired. 
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: Dandontdare 02 May, 2014, 10:37:46 AM
the thing that bugs me in gigs, especially with the support bands that nobody has actually come to see, is over-egged, almost bullying, exhortations to get up/clap/sing along. If the crowd haven't been sufficiently whipped up by the music, you're not going to get 'em dancing by shouting at them.
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: JamesC 02 May, 2014, 01:44:42 PM
Similar to the above, I hate it when you're drinking in a pub in the early evening and the pub band fanny around for ages doing sound checks and tuning up. It's really irritating and on one gives a fuck about the levels anyway.
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: Mister Pops 02 May, 2014, 02:06:21 PM
Really? You can't put up with it for all five minutes it takes to sound check in a pub? Five minutes of sound checks is preferable to an entire set interspersed with screeching feedback.

If it takes the band longer than five minutes to do their sound checks, that's basically a fair warning that they're shite and you should probably find somewhere else to drink
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: Ancient Otter 02 May, 2014, 07:59:53 PM
Went to a gig (a free one :thumbsup:) last night and the first band (third support) did that thing  - they were all about 15 years younger than everyone else and had a full entourage - and when they'd finished they went and sat elsewhere in the pub and ignored the other two bands. Didn't leave - just didn't engage with them - and talked loudly amongst themselves for the rest of the night. I know you're not obligated to watch the other bands on the bill but at least go full douche and leave rather than filling the non-gig bit with scoffing teens with that sort of swooshy haircut they all seem to have.

Were all three bands on tour together?
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: CrazyFoxMachine 02 May, 2014, 09:37:31 PM
Nope - that night was the first time the three bands had played together to my knowledge.

Also said band uploaded a photo of their set today and simply went "good gig for us - our next is at ...." noice - love a sociable group.
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: JamesC 02 May, 2014, 09:57:08 PM
Really? You can't put up with it for all five minutes it takes to sound check in a pub? Five minutes of sound checks is preferable to an entire set interspersed with screeching feedback.

If it takes the band longer than five minutes to do their sound checks, that's basically a fair warning that they're shite and you should probably find somewhere else to drink

Five minutes is fine but I've been in plenty of pubs where they take a good hour. Some times they'll play most of a song and then stop, fiddle with the levels and start the same song again. Yes it probably is a sign that the band is shite but when I'm having a pint an hour before they're supposed to start and I wasn't planning on watching them anyway the whole thing becomes an intrusive annoyance.
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: Trout 02 May, 2014, 11:53:47 PM
Yesterday I photographed some up-and-coming boy band at a surprise performance they gave for some schoolkids, and was part of a bemused group who couldn't quite understand why they were insisting on a sound check.

It was a school gym, FFS. It's not going to sound good.

Anyway, they were all far too clean for my liking. I remember when music was all about torn clothes and gobbing.

- Old fart
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: JayzusB.Christ 03 May, 2014, 12:53:02 AM
Unless there's a band on I specifically went to the venue to see, I don't like live music in pubs at all.  Live bands take over the whole place - they're not some kind of background entertainment you put on for people who are out for a drink and a chat.  If you came for a drink and a chat, they're just really annoying.  Especially if they play that 'and if you close your eyes' shite, which they did, twenty minutes ago when I was having a pint in my local.
</even worse old fart>
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: CrazyFoxMachine 03 May, 2014, 09:55:48 AM
Oooh I'm an angry Jonathan (that's not an expression but maybe it should be) today.

I know I've likely been guilty of this - so it's probably why I'm so aggravated about it but I asked at the beginning of April for a chap to give me a hand with some art - he agreed and said he'd do it by the end of the week...

So then it's May and nowt - I ask again on Tuesday and he says "yes! Sorry I forgot, will do it today" and I need this thing by Thursday. He understands and says it'll be done.

So now it's Saturday and he's tweeting about his plans to while away the day playing games and I sort of snapped.

I don't mind what he does of a Saturday - honestly don't. Just wish he would have told me he wouldn't have time to do it in the first place. It is as simple as this:

Do I have time to do this?

No

Then I won't agree to do it.

I've missed my Thursday deadline, this thing hasn't got done - and not only does he not remember it enough to apologise (or do it, most importantly) but he's openly not actually doing anything.

Just - try and be as honest as possible about your timings - it's of PARAMOUNT IMPORTANCE FOR THE SANITY OF EVERYONE.
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: The Doctor Alt 8 03 May, 2014, 06:45:55 PM
The fact that I have contracted yet another cold my 3rd in 4 months.

This one is the most severe... Yesterday morning I actually phoned my GP surgery to get an emergency appointment. Instead I was called back by one of the GPs who after explaining/ confirming my symptoms wrote out a prescription for A daly dose of 2000 mg of antibiotics...

I am convinced that a major factor of these infections are the fithly state of the library PCs and the air conditioning system in the Thornton Heath branch of the library... I never had this when I mostly used Croydon... But how can I prove it?
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: TordelBack 03 May, 2014, 07:02:48 PM
...I was called back by one of the GPs who after explaining/ confirming my symptoms wrote out a prescription for A daly dose of 2000 mg of antibiotics...

Antibiotics for a cold?  Surely a cold is a virus and antibiotics are for bacterial infections - which would maybe fit better with your dirty-library hypothesis.   Those PCs are going to finish you off one way or another!

Either way, seems pretty bloody miserable.  Get well soon, Doc!
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: The Doctor Alt 8 03 May, 2014, 07:23:40 PM
I had the symptoms for over 3 days which usually means that there is an underlying bacterial infection. I once put off going to the doctors for 3 weeks... When I eventually got there I was told that I had pustules and put on high strength antibiotics.... This time it was worse....
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: M.I.K. 04 May, 2014, 10:12:30 PM
That poem doing the rounds is maudlin crap,
I've been antisocial for years without need of an app.
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: Mister Pops 04 May, 2014, 10:15:13 PM
That poem doing the rounds is maudlin crap,
I've been antisocial for years without need of an app.

HA!

You're a poet
Yet you were unaware



...no that's not right, that's not right at all...
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: Hawkmumbler 04 May, 2014, 10:19:10 PM
Following someone on tumblr for their wonderful art work. Then they open their mouths and to realise they are horribly mysogynistic/ misandristic/ racist/ homophobic/ heterophobic (continue and delete as appropriate). Installed an extension that deletes all text posts. I can live without being called "cishit" ever again.
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: Mister Pops 04 May, 2014, 10:28:39 PM
Following someone on tumblr for their wonderful art work. Then they open their mouths and to realise they are horribly mysogynistic/ misandristic/ racist/ homophobic/ heterophobic (continue and delete as appropriate). Installed an extension that deletes all text posts. I can live without being called "cishit" ever again.

FTFY
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: ZenArcade 04 May, 2014, 10:34:31 PM
 Very good!  :lol: Z
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: Hawkmumbler 04 May, 2014, 10:35:40 PM
Ha! Very true. It's a phenomenal source for art and referencing, but full of the most pretentious and misinformed wankers on the internet.
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: ZenArcade 04 May, 2014, 10:41:12 PM
Talking of pretentious misinformed w**kers, I only realised my last post was my 500th.  Z
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: Mister Pops 04 May, 2014, 10:43:54 PM
Talking of pretentious misinformed w**kers, I only realised my last post was my 500th.  Z

I'm still bitter that no one baked me a cake when I reached 1000
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: ZenArcade 04 May, 2014, 10:48:08 PM
 What no cake!!!!  :o   >:(  :'( Z
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: Daveycandlish 05 May, 2014, 07:30:25 AM
Talking of pretentious misinformed w**kers, I only realised my last post was my 500th.  Z

I'm still bitter that no one baked me a cake when I reached 1000

We did hold a party for it. We just didn't invite you.
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: JayzusB.Christ 05 May, 2014, 04:18:42 PM
Yes. The rest of us get cakes every fifty posts.  And cards and presents for every ten.
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: TordelBack 05 May, 2014, 04:22:04 PM
The rest of us get cakes every fifty posts. 

S'right.  One of the reasons I post so much is I can't fit out the bloody door any more, and the reason I can't fit out the bloody door any more is because I post so much...  Two-Tonne Tordel Tubbs, they call me, but they're just being kind; it's more like 3.
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: ZenArcade 05 May, 2014, 04:34:26 PM
Well that just takes the biscuit, it looks as though there is a sinister and biased, cake monopolizing cabal lurking deep within this forum. Z
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: TordelBack 05 May, 2014, 05:02:22 PM
Well that just takes the biscuit..

Biscuits are every 2,000. -burp-
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: Mister Pops 05 May, 2014, 05:02:55 PM
Screw you guys, I'll make my own cake! With blackjack and hookers!
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: ZenArcade 05 May, 2014, 05:07:14 PM
You'll need plenty of dough for the hookers and blackjack....oh and for the cake as well. Z
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: The Doctor Alt 8 05 May, 2014, 05:41:29 PM
Dough is for bread.

Batter is for cakes.

I can see you never cooked.
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: Proudhuff 05 May, 2014, 05:50:48 PM
Dough is for bread.

Batter is for cakes.

I can see you never cooked.

Dough = £  ;)
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: ZenArcade 05 May, 2014, 05:51:50 PM
Doc, no knead to whip up a controversy with such tart comments! Z  ;)
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: Fungus 06 May, 2014, 11:04:59 PM
The drokking monthly Art Comp. Turns out I have no imagination.
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: Banners 07 May, 2014, 01:37:14 PM
Every time I need to print something in a rush, my printer decides to recalibrate for three minutes. GAH!
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: mogzilla 21 May, 2014, 11:44:00 AM
idiots who cant drive,namely the one in the van who pulled out on us yesterday ,how the wife managed to stop in time I don't know it was very close...but the thing is after he did,he stopped and stared at us! my wife tried to drive round him and he did it again!!! I'm not an agrressive person by any means but I gave him a lot of verbal abuse and she had to stop me getting out of the car but the numpty just stared blankly at us again,no apology nothing...pillock. >:(
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: radiator 08 June, 2014, 06:31:33 PM
Possibly opening a dangerous can of worms here (petty things our partners do that annoy us), but don't care, just need to get this off my chest!

When we're doing a food shop, my girlfriend will almost always, in a fit of good intentions, insist on spending a small fortune on fresh fruit....

Which will then sit uneaten in the fridge for weeks as she reverts to scoffing crisps and chocolate, until the fruit all goes rancid and I have to dig through it and throw it all away.
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: mogzilla 08 June, 2014, 06:43:52 PM
tis funny cos its true
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: TordelBack 08 June, 2014, 06:44:22 PM
Which will then sit uneaten in the fridge for weeks as she reverts to scoffing crisps and chocolate, until the fruit all goes rancid and I have to dig through it and throw it all away.

Send it to us!  My bloody kids eat fruit incessantly, I can't afford to keep up.  My daughter alone eats an average of 3 apples, 2 bananas and an orange per day, plus sundry grapes and straw-/rasp-/black-/blueberries if available.  Forget healthy, this stuff costs a fortune.  I want my Mek-files dammit!
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: Frank 08 June, 2014, 07:10:52 PM
When we're doing a food shop, my girlfriend will almost always, in a fit of good intentions, insist on spending a small fortune on fresh fruit .... Which will then sit uneaten in the fridge for weeks as she reverts to scoffing crisps and chocolate, until the fruit all goes rancid and I have to dig through it and throw it all away

That's why fruit lives in the fruit bowl, so it's the first thing you see when you go into the kitchen looking for scran. Watching some of it grow fur before your eyes gives you added impetus to eat the rest right away, and if you get into the habit of having fruit with breakfast it shifts really quickly (makes your cereal or porridge taste much better too). If I'm making a curry, I sometimes chuck in a banana that's starting to go black, and stir-fries can suffer the addition of a bit of cubed melon that's seen better days.

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: Ancient Otter 08 June, 2014, 07:21:29 PM
Possibly opening a dangerous can of worms here (petty things our partners do that annoy us), but don't care, just need to get this off my chest!

When we're doing a food shop, my girlfriend will almost always, in a fit of good intentions, insist on spending a small fortune on fresh fruit....

Which will then sit uneaten in the fridge for weeks as she reverts to scoffing crisps and chocolate, until the fruit all goes rancid and I have to dig through it and throw it all away.

Invest in a smoothie maker perhaps?
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: ZenArcade 08 June, 2014, 07:35:47 PM
As posted before, put it in a bowl in a prominent place. Smoothie maker is also a good idea. Terrible to waste good food when half the world hasnt the clothes that'd cover them (not a personal criticism btw). I looked up Trouts Canadian dish. Chips, gravy and cheese curds.....I'd say you'd either love or hate that one. Z
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: Hawkmumbler 08 June, 2014, 08:06:52 PM
A few weeks back it was my brothers 7th birthday. His favourite fruit is pineapple, so we got a plate and served some slices. Besides the occasional one or two, he ate the whole bloody thing. Better than eating a whole cake, at least.
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: radiator 08 June, 2014, 08:38:58 PM
Poutine is great, I've had it a few times. I gather its one of those dishes that varies a bit depending on what part of Canada you have it. The curd adds a slightly sharp/yogurty flavour but isnt unpleasant or overbearing.

I also got to try Natto (a Japanese delicacy of fermented beans) recently which I've wanted to try for ages. Gotta say I thought it was absolutely vile. Nauseating. Now that is definitely a love it or hate it thing!
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: ZenArcade 08 June, 2014, 08:46:43 PM
Anyone tried kimchi (I think that's how it's spelled); a Korean spiced cabbage?
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: Trout 08 June, 2014, 09:06:41 PM
Poutine is great, I've had it a few times. I gather its one of those dishes that varies a bit depending on what part of Canada you have it.

Yes, and from restaurant to restaurant. There are poutine-only places where they serve lots of varieties. Even McDonalds has it on the menu.
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: radiator 08 June, 2014, 09:35:21 PM
Anyone tried kimchi (I think that's how it's spelled); a Korean spiced cabbage?

Yep, kimchi is lovely too, savoury, slightly spicy with a crunchy texture. Of you like miso you'd probably appreciate it. In fact I have some in my fridge right now. It's another fermented kind of thing - when you first open the jar it expands and bubbles and fizzes. It says on the jar if it doesn't taste strong enough you should leave it unrefridgerated for a few days to fester some more!
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: ZenArcade 08 June, 2014, 09:39:14 PM
I'm keen to try, where do you get it....bear in mind I live in cosmopolitan Belfast.
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: radiator 09 June, 2014, 04:00:58 AM
Ha, unless there's a Korean restaurant you might not be in luck. They sell it in the supermarkets here in Portland. Must be a large Korean population.
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: Theblazeuk 09 June, 2014, 10:27:51 AM
There must be an Asian supermarket somewhere in Belfast

http://asiabelfast.com/ for example. Not to generalise but around these parts alot of the Chinese supermarkets have a little section of Korean food too.

If this place is open you should try it! http://www.yelp.co.uk/biz/cafe-arirang-belfast

Seems like the other Korean place in Belfast has shut down which is a shame. Korean food is delicious. Kimchi is a great side/starter/ingredient and everyone should have a proper Bimimbap (rice + veg + meat in a *hot* stone bowl with eggs cracked in at the end. Throw in Kimchi and chilli sauce as desired...)

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: ZenArcade 09 June, 2014, 10:58:09 AM
There is a Chinese supermarket at the bottom of Agincourt avenue (I think); I'll give them a ring. If not I have some local Chinese friends who may know. Cheers Z
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: Theblazeuk 09 June, 2014, 11:28:55 AM
Only the bananas go bad in my abode but it doesn't grind my gears as they end up mushed into glorious American pancakes every Sunday.

What really grinds my gears? Working in TV and people say stupid things like "Tuesday's Pointless has a typo". Where? Where is the typo? Which Tuesday? Last or next or tommorow? Where is the typo? BE SPECIFIC. Time and date and channel. Would it kill you.
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: radiator 09 June, 2014, 05:44:55 PM
There must be an Asian supermarket somewhere in Belfast

http://asiabelfast.com/ for example. Not to generalise but around these parts alot of the Chinese supermarkets have a little section of Korean food too.

If this place is open you should try it! http://www.yelp.co.uk/biz/cafe-arirang-belfast

Seems like the other Korean place in Belfast has shut down which is a shame. Korean food is delicious. Kimchi is a great side/starter/ingredient and everyone should have a proper Bimimbap (rice + veg + meat in a *hot* stone bowl with eggs cracked in at the end. Throw in Kimchi and chilli sauce as desired...)

There's food carts all over Portland - and a huge load of them downtown where you can get a great Korean BBQ - mounds of sticky, sweet chicken with rice and a side of kimchi - for $6/7 (about £4, and, like most meals in America, the portion size is enough for lunch and dinner!). Might have to get that for lunch again today!
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: radiator 09 June, 2014, 05:45:21 PM
We should probably spin this off into a food thread...?
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: ZenArcade 09 June, 2014, 05:51:11 PM
Yum yum!
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: CrazyFoxMachine 09 June, 2014, 05:58:11 PM
Or a whole new Food Discussion section.

and we'll all be waiting for the "Best Tiffin Ever" thread.  :o
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: I, Cosh 09 June, 2014, 07:33:30 PM
My pal's wife is Korean and, for some unknown reason, her mother sends regular packages of homemade kimchi to wherever in the world they happen to be living. This sometimes causes awkwardness at the post office.
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: ZenArcade 09 June, 2014, 07:37:11 PM
That's the cool thing, it takes yonks to go off (I'm told)....gotta hand it to the Koreans. Z
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: Frank 09 June, 2014, 07:47:00 PM
We should probably spin this off into a food thread...?

On an internet forum for comic book nerds, wouldn't that just devolve into a discussion of which flavour of Pot Noodle goes best with Diet Coke?

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: ZenArcade 09 June, 2014, 07:55:03 PM
Working on the principle of the perversity of the Universe tending to the maximum (thanks Larry Niven): It'd probably transform into a topic on what really annoys people! Now quickly back to food before we become in danger if going back on thread Z ;)
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: TordelBack 09 June, 2014, 10:42:24 PM
What really grinds my gears are immensely long government tender forms which have the requirement 'practice must demonstrate that it has traded for more than two years' hidden deep in the small print, which you only see after you've spent the whole evening typing repetitive crap into a recalcitrant macro-ridden document.  In your 5th month of operation.

How is one supposed to trade for two years as a supplier of services to government if one is not eligible to supply services to government until one has done so for two years?

I suspect Nately's whore has had a hand in this.
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: I, Cosh 09 June, 2014, 10:54:08 PM
I suspect Nately's whore has had a hand in this.
What kind of name is that?
It's Tordback's name sir!

I sympathise but hAve no real solution.
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: Trout 10 June, 2014, 01:56:43 AM
We should probably spin this off into a food thread...?

On an internet forum for comic book nerds, wouldn't that just devolve into a discussion of which flavour of Pot Noodle goes best with Diet Coke?

Bombay Bad Boy.
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: The Doctor Alt 8 10 June, 2014, 03:34:30 AM
Which will then sit uneaten in the fridge for weeks as she reverts to scoffing crisps and chocolate, until the fruit all goes rancid and I have to dig through it and throw it all away.

Send it to us!  My bloody kids eat fruit incessantly, I can't afford to keep up.  My daughter alone eats an average of 3 apples, 2 bananas and an orange per day, plus sundry grapes and straw-/rasp-/black-/blueberries if available.  Forget healthy, this stuff costs a fortune.  I want my Mek-files dammit!


Your toilet paper bill must be pretty dammed high to. I could never eat that amount of fruit in on day... My digestive system has a strict only two items or less policy.
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: TordelBack 10 June, 2014, 08:08:59 AM
Your toilet paper bill must be pretty dammed high to.

An astute observation, and then there's the environmental damage of shipping calories around the world to consider...  We try to stretch out local and foraged fruit for as long as possible over the winter, but ultimately crumbles and jams etc. don't fill the on-the-hoof niche.

Given as how I'm a porker these days, and there's obesity and T2 Diabetes on both sides of the family, we've been keen to avoid the use of biscuits and toast etc. as browsing fodder for the sprogs.  Requests for food between lunch and tea, or between school and sports, are universally met with 'apple, orange or banana?', and it seems to be having the desired effect (except for when they are with their grandparents, who seem to believe the kids are deficient in Vitamin McD) .  Certainly my aforementioned youngest would now live on fruit alone if we let her: bringing her blackberrying is a zero-sum game.
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: mogzilla 10 June, 2014, 02:38:42 PM
NHS doctors...my great nephew less than a year old has been going blue cold hands and feet and a temp of 40 degrees centigrade has been sent home twice by the doctors at a and e cos they don't know whats wrong with him!!!!!
Lancashire care nhs trust preston and chorley A&E feel proud ,hope the little fella makes it. >:(
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: Theblazeuk 10 June, 2014, 03:55:58 PM
Gone to the GPs?
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: The Doctor Alt 8 10 June, 2014, 04:07:51 PM
Seriously considering printing up these to place in my libraries... IF I could alter them to look like official Croydon council notices

(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8116762112/hE29187FA/)
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: Proudhuff 10 June, 2014, 04:17:48 PM
Seriously considering printing up these to place in my libraries... IF I could alter them to look like official Croydon council notices

(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8116762112/hE29187FA/)

Where is the like button?
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: ZenArcade 10 June, 2014, 04:27:24 PM
Excellent Doc, Z :lol:
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: Mister Pops 10 June, 2014, 04:34:55 PM
I 100% agree.

A few years ago when I worked in QUB's Student's union I worked at both the (tabletop/RPG) DragonCon  and  (general Sci-Fi/Fantasy) QCon. The smell was fuckin' unholy. It permeated the whole building. It infested every porous membrane on your person. This building also hosted a regular nightclub wherein people would dance their arses of for 5 hours plus, and the building never smelled as bad as it did with nerds sitting around eating excessive amounts of pizza and doritos.

It's the dirty little secret of geek culture that no one addresses. The putrid skeleton in the nerd closet. I have a feeling that all the online, arrogant, elitist and misogynist* nerds wouldn't be taken as seriously if people could actually smell them. Or indeed, see the crusting of convenience food around their mouths/jowels.

*More accurately: sexually frustrated. These people don't seem to realise that the reason members of the oppostie sex (and society in general) reject them has more to do with their lack of personal hygiene than anything else.
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: CrazyFoxMachine 10 June, 2014, 04:46:34 PM
These people

Special guest post there by Generalization Boy (formerly Assumption Lad, sidekick of Stereotype Man may he rest in peace) - most tabletop nerdy lads I know (used to live with quite a few) don't stink, nor where they arrogant or sexually frustrated. Only takes one or two BO-boys to stink up a room - same as it only takes one person postin' that kind of nonsense to make us ALL look like rabid assumers and generalizers.
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: The Doctor Alt 8 10 June, 2014, 04:54:24 PM
Posted by: Mister Pops
« on: Today at 04:34:55 PM » Insert Quote
I 100% agree.

A few years ago when I worked in QUB's Student's union I worked at both the (tabletop/RPG) DragonCon  and  (general Sci-Fi/Fantasy) QCon. The smell was fuckin' unholy. It permeated the whole building. It infested every porous membrane on your person. This building also hosted a regular nightclub wherein people would dance their arses of for 5 hours plus, and the building never smelled as bad as it did with nerds sitting around eating excessive amounts of pizza and doritos.

It's the dirty little secret of geek culture that no one addresses. The putrid skeleton in the nerd closet. I have a feeling that all the online, arrogant, elitist and misogynist* nerds wouldn't be taken as seriously if people could actually smell them. Or indeed, see the crusting of convenience food around their mouths/jowels.

*More accurately: sexually frustrated. These people don't seem to realize that the reason members of the opposite sex (and society in general) reject them has more to do with their lack of personal hygiene than anything else.


Do you know somebody complained to me for mentioning this on another forum. They said I should be sympathetic as these stinkers could be suffering from mental illness which means that they have poor hygiene.
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: ZenArcade 10 June, 2014, 04:57:19 PM
I've been a manager for years and boy is this a sensitive subject.
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: Mister Pops 10 June, 2014, 04:57:48 PM
To be fair now, I did add a qualifier, when I referred to those people, I only meant the worst of us nerds, the kind of nerd who considers themselves the gatekeepers of fandom. The kind of nerd that slut-shames* female cosplayers. The kind of nerd that asks you questions so that you may prove you're a true fan**. The kind of nerd that perpetuates the notion that nerds in general lack any sort of social grace. The kind of nerd that ruins it for the rest of us.

#Notallnerds

* A bit of a oxymoronic misnomer. Surely if someone really is a slut, they have no shame.

**This is nonsense, only one person gets to decide if you're a fan of something (hint:it's yourself)
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: Frank 10 June, 2014, 05:21:41 PM

If you're the guy in the room who thinks nobody stinks, it's you who's reeking of BO.

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: TordelBack 10 June, 2014, 06:13:55 PM
If you're the guy in the room who thinks nobody stinks, it's you who's reeking of BO.

The law of the playground endures.

We once had an immensely smelly lady working with us, who also had no concept of personal space and would loom/drape herself over you while you were working on the computer, bare reeking armpits exposed to the air like the fissile rods in a shattered reactor core.  The problem was that this was a conscious no-soap/deodorant choice -  she was convinced that her natural odour had somehow cleansed itself and stabilised in that manner beloved of hippy manuals: it had not.

 She had a perfectly normal unsmelly husband and kid, so it's not like she was a hairy anarchist living on a narrow boat or anything.  We really tried to be charitable and tolerant, then we tried to be subtle, but it got to the point where people wouldn't work in the same room as her, and we were actively keeping her away from clients.  Finally straws were drawn and the direct approach taken, amid much tension and horror: and nothing changed.  No-one ever picked up the courage to raise the subject again.

Eventually she moved on (it's just possible she felt a bit unwanted, which is pretty horrible 'cos she wasn't a bad person at all...), but I occasionally run into her in the pub some dozen years later, and still nothing has changed.
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: ZenArcade 10 June, 2014, 06:17:45 PM
I'm pretty loathe to talk shop, but there are ways to deal with this issue. The approach is invariably fraught but has to be done. Z
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: Frank 10 June, 2014, 06:24:08 PM
she was convinced that her natural odour had somehow cleansed itself and stabilised in that manner beloved of hippy manuals: it had not

There's something seductive about the logic of that kind of thing, isn't there? Who hasn't read with wonder how if you stop shampooing your hair your natural oils take over and you actually get the best conditioned hair of your life ... and then abandoned their experiment after a fortnight of walking around with a solid, greasy wad of what looks like plughole hair that stinks up your pillow and makes you break out in plukes?

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: mogzilla 10 June, 2014, 06:31:51 PM
Gone to the GPs?

he didn't to be fair seeing how the nephew had to resuscitate his son on holiday he just went to hospital.
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: Montynero 10 June, 2014, 06:33:45 PM
That sounds quite sinister, Zen!

We had a serious B.O. monster at work once, and the arguments over who would  ask him to freshen up rang long into the night. When he finally moved on, we reorganised the room and moved the desks around. I put my hand under his desk to lift - only to recoil in horror like Peter Duncan pulling his hand from the tree stump in Flash Gordon, at the alienesque goo beneath. We looked down and were truly horrified to discover a vast hive of snot artfully hanging on the underside of his workstation. He'd basically been sitting there wiping his bogies on the desk for three years! Disgusting!!
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: Hawkmumbler 10 June, 2014, 06:41:20 PM
NOPE! NOPENOPENOPENOPENOPE! Having NONE of that, thank you! Chewing gum is bad enough but SNOT! EURRRGH!!!!
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: ZenArcade 10 June, 2014, 06:42:58 PM
Oh in no way is it sinister monty. The resolutions reached are in everyones interest.  I have to be mindful that strong body odour has a detrimental effect on the persons work colleagues and as has been alluded to by TB, clients/customers. There are basic standards of comportment and behaviour expected in every workplace, and they should be adhered to. I don't work in a sack em cause you dont like the cut of someone's jib sort of place, so don't fret about anything like that. Z
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: 8-Ball 10 June, 2014, 07:06:22 PM
If you're the guy in the room who thinks nobody stinks, it's you who's reeking of BO.

The law of the playground endures.



I have to concur with that. In my place of work we had a new start and he absolutely reeked of B.O. which earned him the delightful nickname of Pongo. Now, the people calling him this weren't that young and should probably have known better. The whole situation came to a head when he received some Lynx Africa and a car air freshener as a "Secret Santa" christmas present. He got the message but people still call him Pongo behind his back. That makes me more mad than the B.O. problem.
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: ZenArcade 10 June, 2014, 07:08:38 PM
That is bullying and is an actionable offence in any workplace. I f**king despise the cowardly f**king pricks!!
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: von Boom 10 June, 2014, 07:23:24 PM
Where are the managers? If an employee is causing employees discomfort in any way, why aren't the managers pulling them aside and putting them straight? Isn't that their job?
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: ZenArcade 10 June, 2014, 07:26:29 PM
Absolutely!
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: 8-Ball 10 June, 2014, 07:31:02 PM
That is bullying and is an actionable offence in any workplace. I f**king despise the cowardly f**king pricks!!

So do I. Unfortunately it's the kind of place that still has a vile mid-seventies "blokes and dolly birds" macho culture where everybody who works there seems to get a secret (or not so secret) nickname. There's a guy with curly hair so he's "Poodle", there's a guy with a bit of a tan so he gets "Brownie" and my supervisor has a beard so everyone  calls him "Wolfie". You know, just typing this is getting me angry and I shudder to think what they call me.
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: The Doctor Alt 8 10 June, 2014, 08:22:22 PM
Sounds like your firm could do with a timely visit from Sexual Harassment Panda. ..
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: Hawkmumbler 10 June, 2014, 08:26:39 PM
I'm jokingly refered to as 'The One Who Ganders". Mostly due to an instance in which I was chased half way through Liverpool Docks by a canadian goose.

Bloody immigrants.
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: ZenArcade 10 June, 2014, 08:29:09 PM
Shhhhh Hawk or Trout'll get ye. Z
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: Trout 11 June, 2014, 03:09:09 AM
Shhhhh Hawk or Trout'll get ye. Z

I don't want him.

I worked with someone who did INCREDIBLE veggie-stink shits in the (unventilated) staff loo. The whole building would be affected. On one memorable occasion, the entire staff simply left, taking laptops to work outside. That fella had something wrong with his guts.
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: Theblazeuk 11 June, 2014, 09:18:20 AM
". You know, just typing this is getting me angry and I shudder to think what they call me.

Surly? :) Perhaps it would be better to think of it as a Snow White naming convention rather than childish 'banter' :)
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: ZenArcade 11 June, 2014, 09:46:47 AM
If there are underlying medical issues (the first thing to ascertain in these situations), then it is encumbent on the employer to make reasonable adjustments. Z
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: TordelBack 11 June, 2014, 09:52:01 AM
If there are underlying medical issues (the first thing to ascertain in these situations), then it is encumbent on the employer to make reasonable adjustments. Z

Step 1: No beans in the canteen.
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: ZenArcade 11 June, 2014, 09:55:00 AM
If only, It could be a bit more costly than that. In Trouts instance it could necessitate adequate ventelation/extraction processes in the toilets. Z
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: Colin Zeal 11 June, 2014, 09:57:06 AM
There was a guy who used to drink in my local who absolutely reeked, to the point where people would hope he wouldn't stand next to them at the bar. One Christmas time he came in after his work party and had been given about three or four deodorant sets by his colleagues and was absolutely baffled as to why they had all got him the same thing. Nobody had the heart to tell him.
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: ZenArcade 11 June, 2014, 10:04:10 AM
I understand the dichotomy, in terms of public environments it is particularly fraught, in the likes of a pub....just walk away. If the person is insistent in being in intruding your company, tell them. It sounds harsh but at least you have faced the issue like a human being. Z
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: Theblazeuk 11 June, 2014, 10:08:00 AM
On the other hand, I am almost certain I smell of sweat after cycling in to work and try to have a quick splash/re-deoderant + wipe down in the toilettes before starting work. However till they provide some place to put a soaking wet towel, there's no point using the showers....

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: TordelBack 11 June, 2014, 10:13:26 AM
If only, It could be a bit more costly than that. In Trouts instance it could necessitate adequate ventelation/extraction processes in the toilets. Z

One of the branches of a job I'm subbing at the moment has as its sole welfare facility a newfangled secure site cabin which boasts a kitchenette-cum-canteen-cum-office, a walled-off chemical toilet and a tools store, all in a metal container about 3m by 2m: it's very a clever piece of design, but it doesn't work.  When you're eating your sambos you can hear and smell all the doings in the loo (and even afterwards there's a pervasive smell of Ol' Blue), and if you're trying to do paperwork there's always someone frying up bacon about 2 feet from your face.  Bacon, chemical toilet and various industrial lubricants, mmmm, good job I'm on a diet.

What grinds my gears here is that when I used to contract these things myself, I would expend loads of the budget arranging proper toilets and separated office/canteen/drying room/tool stores, as per the temporary workplace/construction regulations.  Despite this being a publicly-funded job, and otherwise bursting with obvious waste, inefficiency and excess, there seems to be no requirement for the most basic welfare facilitites.   

Or rather, I suspect that the Cantoilet precisely meets the letter of the guidelines, an not a jot more - but in translating that into reality it becomes deeply unpleasant.
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: ZenArcade 11 June, 2014, 10:14:45 AM
A heated towel rack wouldn't be an unreasonable request; however they could just tell you to pop it in a plastic bag and take it home in the evening after work. It would be down to the particular employer. Z
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: Hawkmumbler 11 June, 2014, 10:30:13 AM
Shhhhh Hawk or Trout'll get ye. Z

I don't want him.

Don't play hard to get, Trouty. I know you want it, your a particularly damp fish you dirt sod!
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: Link Prime 11 June, 2014, 01:07:42 PM
You know, just typing this is getting me angry and I shudder to think what they call me.

Lets hope you're not affected by male pattern baldness and have a penchant for playing pool, 8-Ball.
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: TordelBack 11 June, 2014, 01:43:40 PM
I know I've told this one before, but 20 years back I worked on a community employment scheme site where everybody had a nickname - there was The Stench (a former turnip-picker, I believe),  Bo (real name Derek, obviously), Snaggles (a particulalry homely fellow with grim teeth), Ten Blocks Billy (the maximum number of bricks he was reputed to lay a day), and I was Norm (as in the the actor Kevin Eldon (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC0bSukFhrg) ad) and so on... all very good-natured stuff.  One day at tea break the Italian-born English labourer piped up: "'Ow come you all have nicknames and I don't?".  "You do", chirped one of the lads, "You're That English Bastard".
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: JamesC 11 June, 2014, 01:52:01 PM
In my job I've had to ask smelly people to leave the building on numerous occasions. It's not a nice experience but I always try to do it as discreetly as possible and say something like 'you're welcome to be here but you need to have a shower and out some clean clothes on and then you can come back'.
I know some people have medical problems but it's easy enough to tell whether someone has washed their hair recently and if their clothes are clean.
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: Dunk! 11 June, 2014, 02:20:42 PM
I've got so many stories of smelly programmers over the years but they all just help uphold the stereotype.

Fresh out of Uni also invariably means non-fresh and unused to having to keep the level of personal hygiene need for social interaction. Luckily these guys aren't "Uber super genius level delicate snowflakes vital to your current dev" so you can poke them with sharp sticks until they cry. :)
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: ZenArcade 11 June, 2014, 02:43:11 PM
A bit of levity: if you all check out CF's last post (no pun intended) on page 26 of the Cellar of Dredd thread below; I think he has the solution to our problems! Z
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: Dandontdare 11 June, 2014, 03:21:46 PM
When I was 15 I went on a 3 week exchange visit to Georgia (USA not Russia) in a group of 6 staying with families. It was August, incredibly hot and humid and one of the lads, a rather chubby fellow, did not shower at all for the first couple of weeks. I don't think I've ever met someone who smelled worse. Eventually the super-polite and hospitable host families asked their kids to have a quiet word with the rest of us asking us to have a word with him.
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: von Boom 11 June, 2014, 04:08:14 PM
When I was 15 I went on a 3 week exchange visit to Georgia (USA not Russia) in a group of 6 staying with families. It was August, incredibly hot and humid and one of the lads, a rather chubby fellow, did not shower at all for the first couple of weeks. I don't think I've ever met someone who smelled worse. Eventually the super-polite and hospitable host families asked their kids to have a quiet word with the rest of us asking us to have a word with him.

Why am I picturing the soap in sock scene from Hamburger Hill?
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: The Doctor Alt 8 11 June, 2014, 04:51:18 PM
In one way it is nice to know that I am not hypersensitive and that other people  suffer from smellies.

On the other hand isn't it disturbing that there are people STILL SMELLING for non-medical, soap dodging issues?
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: ZenArcade 11 June, 2014, 04:52:58 PM
Plenty of lazy wee shites about is the long and short of it. Z
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: Frank 11 June, 2014, 05:15:27 PM
I was Norm (as in the the actor Kevin Eldon (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC0bSukFhrg) ad)

Despite what THE ACTUAL RICHARD HERRING (1967) claims in the comments section of that video, and your obvious desire to be compared to a handsome celebrity, I'm pretty sure that isn't the actor Kevin Eldon. One of the other commentators has it right - it's the one of these (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_bUcf20Ab8) who isn't Pat Sharp, Andy Crane, or a puppet.

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: SmallBlueThing 11 June, 2014, 05:57:35 PM
The use of deodorant and underarm hygiene is a fairly recent development hereabouts. My mum has told me how, when she met my dad, she had to force him to clean up his act because "back then, manly men didn't do it", and he thought it would be "effeminate". This would have been the mid sixties. I'm constantly amused that, when watching very old film stars going about their craft under studio lights (for instance Bing Crosby and Frank Sinatra in High Society, which I was watching today at work), they probably stank to high heaven.

I'm afraid I have to further embed the stereotype of the stinky geek- growing up, I started to frequent comic shops from the age of about twelve, and my memory is that they reeked ("like the Ancient Greeks!" as my youngest would say). FP2 and Comic Showcase were particularly nasty, as was wandering around the comic mart at Central Hall. And Purple Haze in Plymouth.

But for the ultimate, I have to recall the World Science Fiction Convention Bail-Out Fund Day, sometime back in the 80s. Where Michael Moorcock rubbed shoulders with Lisa Tuttle- and I'd imagine Lisa Tuttle ran away to puke out the window. That man honked. The level of stench in the Con Room was overwhelming- a conglomerate of BO-dripping pits from the assembled throng. Truly awful.

Also a Dr Who convention I once attended, somewhere or other back in the mists of time, was similarly like walking into a solid block of knob cheese and being forced to fill your lungs.

Nowadays I assume things are a little different, due to the proliferation of female ladies of the girl-persuasion at these things. Girls not tending to smell as bad as boys.

The whole stereotype of the greasy, spotty, social-awkward, plastic bag-carrying, stinky geek is a whole other conversation to be honest. Dr Who Magazine once ran a fantastic three part feature on the subject called "The Fan Gene" that was illuminating in the extreme, and should be read by anyone interested in the subject. The links it draws between this and certain Autistic Spectrum Disorders are quite telling, and certainly borne out in my experience, he says speaking Professionally for a moment.

SBT
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: Dandontdare 11 June, 2014, 06:05:54 PM
like walking into a solid block of knob cheese and being forced to fill your lungs.

I always love your turn of phrase SBT, even if that one made me dry-heave a bit.
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: Frank 11 June, 2014, 06:39:45 PM
I'm constantly amused that, when watching very old film stars going about their craft under studio lights (for instance Bing Crosby and Frank Sinatra in High Society, which I was watching today at work), they probably stank to high heaven

Clark Gable was notorious amongst his female co-stars for the fetid stench of his breath as he moved in for a big screen kiss. Your observation about the stars of the golden age will make watching Film Four on a weekday afternoon especially entertaining, but you only have to visit your local Post Office for evidence that standards of personal hygiene have improved in the last seventy years. And yes, I'd expect a more than average proportion of fans of geek culture lie somewhere on the spectrum.

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: M.I.K. 11 June, 2014, 07:41:02 PM
You know what's even worse than the stench of BO on a packed bus on a swelteringly hot summer day?

The combined stench of gallons of deodorants and perfumes completely failing to cover up the stench of BO on a packed bus on a swelteringly hot summer day.
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: Fungus 11 June, 2014, 09:30:41 PM
The combined stench of gallons of deodorants and perfumes completely failing to cover up the stench of BO

Leaving the failing to cover up .... detail aside, I'm more familiar with the over-compensation that leads so many people to empty a can of Lynx over themselves at the gym. When I'm 4 foot away and selfishly trying to breathe. My dangerous tactic remains to cough at the slightest tickle to my delicate throat. Between this and walking into other pedestrians who are staring befuddledly down at the phone, I'll no doubt come to a sorry end. One day.

Have a BO story of a colleague but it's so ancient as to not count. But then as said, I may be the perp. Don't think so. Fungus is a name, not a condition.

(Quite a raw nerve this thread has touched...)
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: TordelBack 11 June, 2014, 09:49:12 PM
Despite what THE ACTUAL RICHARD HERRING (1967) claims in the comments section of that video, and your obvious desire to be compared to a handsome celebrity, I'm pretty sure that isn't the actor Kevin Eldon.

I confess I didn't read the comments - I had just always thought that Kevin Eldon played Norm. as lomgas I've been aware of Elson's existence (which would be some time later).  In fact, it wasn't even that ad I was thinking of, it was an earlier one in the same campaign with the line 'that's not a skirt, it's a belt', which the amusing 'Compo' Maguire (two car accidents had bought him a house) used to greet me with of a morning, but I couldn't find a clip.  Maybe I retrospectively incorporated some Herring routine into my memories.  How peculiar! 
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: Frank 11 June, 2014, 10:07:31 PM
I confess I didn't read the comments

No-one should ever read the comments on anything anywhere. I'm just surprised mentioned of Pat Sharp didn't attract the usual fond reminiscences of the twins from Funhouse (http://blog.historypin.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Screen-Shot-2013-03-27-at-22.51.58.png).

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: Trout 12 June, 2014, 12:02:13 AM
No, no, no.

The smelliest gathering of modern-day humans is a real ale enthusiasts' event or, more specifically, the day after one. I once had to visit the second day of a two-day organic beer conference (for a story) and it involved sitting in a small, hot room with a large group of very sweaty, hungover men farting like sickly cattle. It was horrendous. Indescribably bad, and actually a little distressing.

I thought, "Fuck this," and left. I never wrote the story.
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: JOE SOAP 12 June, 2014, 01:11:27 AM
A horrible aspect of being stuck beside someone/something with a serious hum for a particular length of time is that the brain gradually acclimatises itself to the stench- filtering it out of awareness when it recognises the funk isn't life-threatening.

The nightmarish realisation that directly follows is that you've been breathing in lungfuls of some smelly cunt's emanation for feckin' ages.


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: The Doctor Alt 8 12 June, 2014, 02:57:02 AM
I would have tried to record those farts for posterity.... And then used it as a sound track to an advert...

( if I had the talent) But then I have an evil streak.
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: Trout 12 June, 2014, 03:27:35 AM
I would have tried to record those farts for posterity.... And then used it as a sound track to an advert...

( if I had the talent) But then I have an evil streak.

They were silent but violent.
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: Professor Bear 12 June, 2014, 09:03:55 AM
I am shocked at the suggestion that someone who spends their time on internet forums dedicated to a fifty year old childrens programme so they can tell the world that Steven Moffat has ruined it by making it different than when they were a child might not have the gumption to wash now and then unless reminded.

A horrible aspect of being stuck beside someone/something with a serious hum for a particular length of time is that the brain gradually acclimatises itself to the stench- filtering it out of awareness when it recognises the funk isn't life-threatening.

My first job had me stuck beside someone who stank to high heaven but didn't seem to know it, and it was mentioned by someone that eventually, you filter out other peoples stink much as you do your own.  Since that day I've had minor OCD about my own potential pong that others can smell but I cannot, to the point that while scouting new flats I ruled out several based entirely on how they smelled.  Too bad I didn't comprehend that someone later moving in downstairs from where I did end up who have hygiene, alcohol and drug problems might have been a factor somewhere down the line, as it might have averted an impending punch-up.
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: JamesC 12 June, 2014, 09:41:46 AM
Today's free promo copy of The Sun grinds my gears. I actually think the Sun can be quite funny and even witty at its best but this is just awful.
It's all about how great it is to be British and has been posted to every house in the country. One quote "Obviously the best thing about being English is not being French or Belgian".

I'm quite happy to be British but I feel we should print out 20 million copies of this thread to post through people's doors in the interest of balance.
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: Daveycandlish 12 June, 2014, 09:43:44 AM
I don't think the ink cartridges in my printer could cope - it barely does two copies before telling me Cyan is running low
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: ZenArcade 12 June, 2014, 09:58:06 AM
He he, I think Cyan ran a bit low around here a while ago! Z
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: Proudhuff 12 June, 2014, 11:36:40 AM
Today's free promo copy of The Sun grinds my gears. I actually think the Sun can be quite funny and even witty at its best but this is just awful.
It's all about how great it is to be British and has been posted to every house in the country. One quote "Obviously the best thing about being English is not being French or Belgian".

I'm quite happy to be British but I feel we should print out 20 million copies of this thread to post through people's doors in the interest of balance.

Imagine the outrage if that had said: 'Obviously the best thing about being Scottish is not being English or Belgian'

Why is it acceptable for our southern neebs to insult their suuthern neebs? Mostly I feel sorry for the plucky little Belgians.
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: Old Tankie 12 June, 2014, 11:54:04 AM
Hang on a minute, isn't there something going on north of the border at the moment about not wanting to be English/British?!!

And where's my copy of the Sun!!?
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: Montynero 12 June, 2014, 12:15:31 PM
The most depressing thing about nationalism is the hatred of others it engenders, the idea that they are somehow 'other' and nothing like you.

It's perfectly possible to take pride in your community or country without pissing on other people's. And yet...
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: Theblazeuk 12 June, 2014, 12:24:40 PM
For anyone who watches In The Flesh, I thought Phillips speech about making people others just so you could feel good about yourself despite your obvious flaws was very well written and timely. Just comes to mind given this nationalistic rubbish.



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: Ghost MacRoth 12 June, 2014, 12:41:39 PM
Hang on a minute, isn't there something going on north of the border at the moment about not wanting to be English/British?!!

And where's my copy of the Sun!!?

No.  We've never not wanted to be English.  We never were. ;)

As for British?  I only object when folk tend to ID British and English as the same thing, as do most of my English friends. :)
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: Dandontdare 12 June, 2014, 12:53:20 PM
Today's free promo copy of The Sun grinds my gears. I actually think the Sun can be quite funny and even witty at its best but this is just awful.
It's all about how great it is to be British and has been posted to every house in the country. One quote "Obviously the best thing about being English is not being French or Belgian".

I'm quite happy to be British but I feel we should print out 20 million copies of this thread to post through people's doors in the interest of balance.

but you may not get one in Liverpool: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-27806513 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-27806513)
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: Trout 12 June, 2014, 01:35:55 PM
Oh fuck. This thread is now affected by missing-the-point-about-the-independence-referendum.

It's dead now. We should leave it, and start again somewhere else.
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: Proudhuff 12 June, 2014, 01:50:51 PM
Oh fuck. This thread is now affected by missing-the-point-about-the-independence-referendum.

It's dead now. We should leave it, and start again somewhere else.

You could say that, however I was talking about the anti-French racism that is acceptable in the mainstream media, (and strangely enough in Mock The Week.)
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: Charlie boy 12 June, 2014, 02:07:54 PM
Today's free promo copy of The Sun grinds my gears. I actually think the Sun can be quite funny and even witty at its best but this is just awful.
It's all about how great it is to be British and has been posted to every house in the country. One quote "Obviously the best thing about being English is not being French or Belgian".

I'm quite happy to be British but I feel we should print out 20 million copies of this thread to post through people's doors in the interest of balance.
I'm happy to say I haven't received my free copy of The Sun with living in Liverpool. I understand why the postal workers decided against posting it and their decision has saved me the bother of having to run out the door after the postman to insist he take my copy back.
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: Ghost MacRoth 12 June, 2014, 02:22:32 PM
Oh fuck. This thread is now affected by missing-the-point-about-the-independence-referendum.

More missing the point of geography....but whatever, eh? :)
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: Theblazeuk 12 June, 2014, 03:34:56 PM
I got my free copy of the Sun. Makes a nice lining for the guinea pig hutch
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: The Doctor Alt 8 12 June, 2014, 04:24:53 PM
Well we have had our mail. but no free paper....
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: ZenArcade 12 June, 2014, 04:50:49 PM
Life long Liverpool fan: fuck the Sun and all belonging to them! Z
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: Frank 12 June, 2014, 04:51:01 PM
This thread is now affected by missing-the-point-about-the-independence-referendum

Trout knows what the point of the independence referendum is! Don't keep the rest of us in the dark, but please be aware that whatever answer you give will see either Salmond or Lamont holding up a print out of this thread at first minister's questions as an example of vile and hateful internet abuse.

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: Trout 12 June, 2014, 05:08:01 PM
Yeah, let's not.

And Proudhuff, I wasn't meaning you.
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: mogzilla 12 June, 2014, 05:24:32 PM
I'm quite looking forward to scotlands independence from the "united" kingdom might be my first foreign holiday! ;)
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: Frank 12 June, 2014, 05:24:58 PM
Yeah, let's not

Are you calling my pint Pat Lally's daughter-in-law (http://www.bbc.co.uk/democracylive/scotland-27812037http://www.bbc.co.uk/democracylive/scotland-27812037)? Square-go, big man.

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: Trout 12 June, 2014, 05:29:00 PM
I feel a bit sorry for Campbell. He's not a bad lad.
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: Frank 12 June, 2014, 05:44:03 PM
I feel a bit sorry for Campbell. He's not a bad lad

I couldn't have told you who he was until 12 o'clock this afternoon - he's just been caught up in the silly tit-for-tat of the least interesting aspect of the debate. If this and the headlines about JK Rowling being savaged by trolls after her donation to the No, Thanks campaign are part of the unionist camp's attempts to win over or engage swithering voters, I don't think much of their strategy.

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: Hawkmumbler 12 June, 2014, 05:49:35 PM
I feel a bit sorry for Campbell. He's not a bad lad.
Whats he gone and done now? :P
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: Theblazeuk 12 June, 2014, 05:54:37 PM
Whats gone and ground my gears is reading an article about the cost of the F35 fighter plane where they compared its spiraling costs with the cost of building a fleet of space shuttles.

The biggest obstacle isn't the staggering amount of money that it costs to go to space, it's that the staggering amount of money is better spent on blowing things up in shinier ways. Even when that shinier way is not necessarily going to be any better than the existing way.
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: 8-Ball 12 June, 2014, 05:58:19 PM
A few months ago I expressed my stance on the independence referendum over on the Politics Thread. I was wary of it being a topic of discussion back then and, given what has been in the news of late, I am even more so now. It is too emotive an issue and life's too short for people to fall out over it - not that anybody has but there's always the danger. We're all The Mighty One's bairns.

Ah hell, what do I know? Carry on.
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: Theblazeuk 12 June, 2014, 06:09:40 PM
That's the whole point of a politics thread... it's an iso-cube for sticky discussion.
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: Trout 12 June, 2014, 06:12:14 PM
I feel a bit sorry for Campbell. He's not a bad lad.
Whats he gone and done now? :P

Not that Campbell. Different Campbell.

And yes, I agree that politics should stay within its properly-ringfenced thread.
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: Frank 12 June, 2014, 06:16:15 PM
It is too emotive an issue

It really shouldn't be. It's a debate about economics and civil bureaucracy - topics which don't usually get folk so worked up they threaten to murder each other over twitter. For all I know, it's the same four or five bams causing all the commotion on either side, but it's this puerile Telling Teacher crap that gets on the front page of the tabloids - so you can see why both sides persist with this line.

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: Dandontdare 12 June, 2014, 06:23:09 PM
Y'know what grinds my gears?

Slipping the clutch on a hill-start.
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: 8-Ball 12 June, 2014, 06:23:44 PM
It is too emotive an issue

It really shouldn't be.

I couldn't agree more. Honestly, I can't wait until the whole bloody thing is over and done with and normality can resume.



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: Trout 12 June, 2014, 06:26:27 PM
Y'know what grinds my gears?

Slipping the clutch on a hill-start.

Ah, I miss proper cars. I've been driving an automatic for more than a year and it still freaks me out that it doesn't roll back if I take my foot off the pedal on a hill.
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: ZenArcade 12 June, 2014, 06:32:44 PM
Brian's just had sex with a really dumb girl....in his car!! Domp de domp.
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: Dandontdare 13 June, 2014, 03:14:28 PM
Today's free promo copy of The Sun grinds my gears. I actually think the Sun can be quite funny and even witty at its best but this is just awful.
It's all about how great it is to be British and has been posted to every house in the country. One quote "Obviously the best thing about being English is not being French or Belgian".

I'm quite happy to be British but I feel we should print out 20 million copies of this thread to post through people's doors in the interest of balance.

If you wish to register your disapproval (and cost The Sun some money) you can return your free copy to FREEPOST, The Sun, London E98 1AX.

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: Proudhuff 13 June, 2014, 05:14:32 PM
Today's free promo copy of The Sun grinds my gears. I actually think the Sun can be quite funny and even witty at its best but this is just awful.
It's all about how great it is to be British and has been posted to every house in the country. One quote "Obviously the best thing about being English is not being French or Belgian".

I'm quite happy to be British but I feel we should print out 20 million copies of this thread to post through people's doors in the interest of balance.

If you wish to register your disapproval (and cost The Sun some money) you can return your free copy to FREEPOST, The Sun, London E98 1AX.

In an outburst of sense, they never delivered these north of the border (and I don't mean Canada)
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: Hawkmumbler 13 June, 2014, 05:16:49 PM
This. Just sickening in every way.

http://youtu.be/zMTbFSJ_Tr4
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: Proudhuff 13 June, 2014, 06:15:39 PM
Today's free promo copy of The Sun grinds my gears. I actually think the Sun can be quite funny and even witty at its best but this is just awful.
It's all about how great it is to be British and has been posted to every house in the country. One quote "Obviously the best thing about being English is not being French or Belgian".

I'm quite happy to be British but I feel we should print out 20 million copies of this thread to post through people's doors in the interest of balance.

If you wish to register your disapproval (and cost The Sun some money) you can return your free copy to FREEPOST, The Sun, London E98 1AX.

In an outburst of sense, they never delivered these north of the border (and I don't mean Canada)

(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/75506000/jpg/_75506566_022667108-1.jpg)

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: The Enigmatic Dr X 13 June, 2014, 07:02:22 PM
People who watch "Buy it Now" items on eBay.

Buy, or do not buy. There is no watch.
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: Frank 13 June, 2014, 07:24:12 PM
they never delivered these north of the border

There are four guys in an office in Glasgow (three of them dedicated entirely to Old Firm football) who put together the 'Scottish' Sun for print and distribution in Scotchland. The only way any of those English editions of the paper would have found their way North of Gretna would be in the odd service station along the M74.

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: mogzilla 13 June, 2014, 07:27:00 PM
People who watch "Buy it Now" items on eBay.

Buy, or do not buy. There is no watch.
there is when you aint been paid yet
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: Mardroid 13 June, 2014, 09:07:08 PM
Yep. I often watch buy it now items if I'm comparing different items and wish to get to them again without searching through the list again. For example I often get mobile phone batteries and other phone related items for my mate who is not IT literate. ( He buys and sells second hand mobile phones, and relies on me to pick little bit as and bob smissing from the phone before selling it on).

Often I'll find  2 or 3 (i.e.. Original, compatible alternative, etc. When selling phones having the original work will sometimes be a factor. Particularly with Nokia for reason) then I'll let him know the prices. When he's made the decision I can find the relevant item quickly because I'm watching it, if that makes sense.

Grinds my gears: when friends don't keep their word. I'm aware this is partly my issue though. We don't always know what someone is going through, what's on their mind etc. So it's best not to judge too harshly. It really bugs me though. I'm an old fashioned boy in some ways.
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: radiator 13 June, 2014, 09:18:30 PM
That's one of the annoying things about modern tech - it enables flaky people to be even more flaky and drop out of social events at short notice/be very late to gatherings, which would have been socially unacceptable in pre-mobile phone days.

I quite often organise group events and it's a bloody nightmare a) finding a date that suits everyone and b) booking tables/paying deposits only for people to drop out the day before/on the day with a text.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: TordelBack 13 June, 2014, 11:38:27 PM
Offered to cover an hour at the end of a shift for a colleague today because she was leaving early to get her hair done for a wedding tomorrow.  Turned out I was stuck there for 8 bloody hours, since everybody else had gone, making for a 17 hour day, and I'm back on at 7 tomorrow.  Simply can't believe she didn't know this was going to happen. 

Still, money.  And on Monday, words.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Mardroid 14 June, 2014, 11:48:19 AM
What grinds my gears: typing a post and correcting mistakes only to read it the next day to find a bunch of stuff I missed.

Sorry!
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: The Doctor Alt 8 14 June, 2014, 05:27:42 PM
Well no one is prefect! ( groan)
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Mardroid 14 June, 2014, 08:38:47 PM
Well no one is prefect! ( groan)

Sorry, no criticism of anyone but myself intended Doctor! I came to this thread today and reread my most recent post and found a bunch of typos I'd missed. And of course I couldn't edit it
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: 8-Ball 21 June, 2014, 07:54:50 PM
A few hours ago I came back from my nephew's sixth birthday party. >:( AAAAAAAARRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHH! That was the most stressed that I have been in a long time. Five screaming kids totally hopped-up on Haribo and Irn Bru, administering a punishment beating to the Piñata and headbutting each other before running crying to their mothers. I'm just glad that I don't have any kids of my own. ;)
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Frank 21 June, 2014, 08:40:17 PM
I'm just glad that I don't have any kids of my own

You've got to believe that (http://youtu.be/vkdH0nuDWX4)

: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Hawkmumbler 22 June, 2014, 05:20:27 PM
Does it annoy anyone else that the Grandville Bete Noor spine font not only contrasts with the rest of the series, but doesn't even match ITSELF?! >:(
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: JayzusB.Christ 22 June, 2014, 11:44:28 PM
I'm just glad that I don't have any kids of my own

You've got to believe that (http://youtu.be/vkdH0nuDWX4)

1:25 - if it isn't that Tory fucko that wanted to punch that woman in the throat.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: SmallBlueThing 23 June, 2014, 10:21:18 AM
Does it annoy anyone else that the Grandville Bete Noor spine font not only contrasts with the rest of the series, but doesn't even match ITSELF?! >:(

From Xmas day, 2012:

(http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/q599/SteevTH/spines.jpg)

It's as if they've named the two volumes with this thread in mind. "Mon Amour"- I love its font, it matches. "Bete Noir"? IT DOESN'T EVEN MATCH ITSELF!! ARRRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!!!

SBT

SBT (still perturbed everytime I look at the shelf)
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: JamesC 23 June, 2014, 11:49:48 AM
Does it annoy anyone else that the Grandville Bete Noor spine font not only contrasts with the rest of the series, but doesn't even match ITSELF?! >:(

From Xmas day, 2012:

(http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/q599/SteevTH/spines.jpg)

It's as if they've named the two volumes with this thread in mind. "Mon Amour"- I love its font, it matches. "Bete Noir"? IT DOESN'T EVEN MATCH ITSELF!! ARRRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!!!

SBT

SBT (still perturbed everytime I look at the shelf)

I have the Kitchen Sink versions of Grandville and Bete Noir but the Dark Horse version of Mon Amour which is a completely different size (about 10% smaller).
How do you like them apples?
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Hawkmumbler 23 June, 2014, 01:10:11 PM
UUUUUURRRRGGGHHHH! James you just made my sking crawl!
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: JamesC 23 June, 2014, 01:12:54 PM
UUUUUURRRRGGGHHHH! James you just made my sking crawl!

 :lol:
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Hawkmumbler 23 June, 2014, 01:17:13 PM
Herm....what ever is a "Sking"? Answers on the back of a postcard kids.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Frank 23 June, 2014, 05:13:15 PM
if it isn't that Tory fucko that wanted to punch that woman in the throat

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/06/24/article-2007932-01FED263000004B0-695_233x328.jpg)

Michael Fabricant, who can have a wash and shampoo without even being in the same room as his hair (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01w88sh).

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: ZenArcade 23 June, 2014, 05:22:01 PM
Oh the very one....super fab. Although his adversary is a pain in the rear, we don't need 'heros' like Mike here, manfully threatening to batter her.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: The Doctor Alt 8 23 June, 2014, 05:29:31 PM
I think Adrian on top of all his other problems may have developed Crohn's disease

Fu** me can this guy not catch a brake?  >:(

He finally "confessed" to me that 6 months ago he has started feeling sick half an hour after eating, occasionally vomiting and has lost about 2 and a half stone in weight.


This while I have been asking him if he wants to come round for dinner, snacks etc.

Last Thursday he had exploratory surgery  ... can't remember the name of the procedure but it's when they feed an endoscopic camera into your stomach.

It failed to find anything.
 
He claims he didn't tell me earlier because he knows I worry.

Like finding out that someone DOSN'T tell me things isn't going to make me worry MORE because I now worry about what he ISN'T telling me.
Other things it might be...
A delayed reaction to stress over his flat etc.
side effects of his medication...

I'm at a total bloody loss as to what to do.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: JOE SOAP 23 June, 2014, 06:07:12 PM

Michael Fabricant, who can have a wash and shampoo without even being in the same room as his hair (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01w88sh).


He has the most apt name, inside and out.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: ZenArcade 23 June, 2014, 06:13:08 PM
Sorry to hear about your predicament doc, I really feel for you. Z
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: CrazyFoxMachine 23 June, 2014, 06:15:42 PM
Sorry to hear that Doc - ! Hope things look up for Adrian soon...
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Hawkmumbler 23 June, 2014, 06:17:16 PM
(http://m.quickmeme.com/img/35/3595a3df6d414eb0eca9c86b96ccfa59e380f7110170b6744442f6ca4e2c1fee.jpg)
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Tiplodocus 25 June, 2014, 08:53:15 AM
Does it annoy anyone else that the Grandville Bete Noor spine font not only contrasts with the rest of the series, but doesn't even match ITSELF?! >:(

From Xmas day, 2012:

(http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/q599/SteevTH/spines.jpg)

It's as if they've named the two volumes with this thread in mind. "Mon Amour"- I love its font, it matches. "Bete Noir"? IT DOESN'T EVEN MATCH ITSELF!! ARRRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!!!

SBT

SBT (still perturbed everytime I look at the shelf)

I *genuinely* can't see what you are on about.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Fungus 25 June, 2014, 09:04:49 AM
Not just me then. Phew.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: JayzusB.Christ 25 June, 2014, 09:32:34 AM
The white border round the letters is narrower on the third book? 
This is very close to OCD territory, I'm afraid.
http://www.dormstormer.com/random/25-things-that-will-piss-off-your-friends-with-ocd (http://www.dormstormer.com/random/25-things-that-will-piss-off-your-friends-with-ocd)
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Tiplodocus 25 June, 2014, 09:44:32 AM
The white border round the letters is narrower on the third book? 
This is very close to OCD territory, I'm afraid.
http://www.dormstormer.com/random/25-things-that-will-piss-off-your-friends-with-ocd (http://www.dormstormer.com/random/25-things-that-will-piss-off-your-friends-with-ocd)

Oh so it is. It looks nicer narrower for the Bete Noir bit (it's a subheading of Grandeville so should be distinguishable).  Either way, it's close enough for me.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Fungus 25 June, 2014, 10:04:50 AM
Suppose...  :)

I'd have thought the sudden capitalisation of E would be far more jarring. It's not like all e's in this typeface are in that form. Probably done for some clever aesthetic reason that is lost on me.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Jim_Campbell 25 June, 2014, 11:22:16 AM
I'd have thought the sudden capitalisation of E would be far more jarring. It's not like all e's in this typeface are in that form. Probably done for some clever aesthetic reason that is lost on me.

It matches the G:

(http://www.bryan-talbot.com/images/art/grandville/grandville_front_cover.jpg)

It wasn't an uncommon typographic flourish in days of yore to oversize and/or capitalise the first and last letter of the main headline of a poster or playbill.

(http://huddmusichallarchive.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/metropolitan-poster.jpg)

Cheers

Jim
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Fungus 25 June, 2014, 12:11:42 PM
Aha. I'm all for flourishes and it works well on the cover. The spine alone, not so well. Ta !
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Banners 25 June, 2014, 12:25:26 PM
Would love to see a paradioxical comedian...(!)
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Dash Decent 25 June, 2014, 12:52:53 PM
It just means he's not funny.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Jim_Campbell 25 June, 2014, 12:58:44 PM
Aha. I'm all for flourishes and it works well on the cover. The spine alone, not so well. Ta !

I'll confess, I'm not a fan of logos on spines — they're rarely designed to work in that context. Pick a nice, clear font. Use it, stick to it.

Cheers

Jim
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Mister Pops 26 June, 2014, 03:53:37 PM
The absolute worst is when they put a picture spread across the spines of a series of books. Then when you take one of the books out to read it, you're constantly distracted by the incomplete picture on your shelf.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: JamesC 26 June, 2014, 04:18:07 PM
The absolute worst is when they put a picture spread across the spines of a series of books. Then when you take one of the books out to read it, you're constantly distracted by the incomplete picture on your shelf.

Some of you guys need help!
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Frank 26 June, 2014, 06:34:46 PM
The absolute worst is when they put a picture spread across the spines of a series of books. Then when you take one of the books out to read it, you're constantly distracted by the incomplete picture on your shelf

Just read the book in your reading room, rather than in your library.

: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Mister Pops 26 June, 2014, 07:04:51 PM
The absolute worst is when they put a picture spread across the spines of a series of books. Then when you take one of the books out to read it, you're constantly distracted by the incomplete picture on your shelf

Just read the book in your reading room, rather than in your library.

That wouldn't help, I'd still know!
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: The Doctor Alt 8 26 June, 2014, 11:29:00 PM
No pleasing some people.  You'll just have to stick to e books
. Problem solved.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: ZenArcade 26 June, 2014, 11:38:55 PM
Hmmm, but if one has a library and an adjoining reading room, what could one possibly want an electrical jiggery pokery thimgjigry for? Z
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: I, Cosh 26 June, 2014, 11:50:20 PM
Have your man fetch it from the library. If he's worth hi salt, it'll be back on display next time you walk past and if he doesn't know which page you fell asleep at you can sack him without pay.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Fungus 27 June, 2014, 02:00:12 AM
The absolute worst is when they put a picture spread across the spines of a series of books. Then when you take one of the books out to read it, you're constantly distracted by the incomplete picture on your shelf.

You should of course just turn the lights out and have nursey read in her best Martin Jarvis voice. Why he didn't get the Dredd gig is beyond me. Maybe in the sequel where Dredd rolls up to sort out that unspeakable to-do at the country house.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: JayzusB.Christ 27 June, 2014, 08:53:50 AM
The absolute worst is when they put a picture spread across the spines of a series of books. Then when you take one of the books out to read it, you're constantly distracted by the incomplete picture on your shelf.

Some of you guys need help!

I have to agree...
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Hawkmumbler 27 June, 2014, 09:29:34 AM
Still gliding through Jojo's Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders. Barmy, bloody barmy. And i've fallen in love with Araki, his art is something else entirely. In an industry where everyone is trying to be either Tezuko or Oda, Araki is an original master.

Also concluded the first Cerebus phonebook. Though a very rocky first few issue, by the time Elrod and Cockroach became staples of the series I feel Sim had found his artistic balance and the Aardvark was looking more like his High Society (up next) persona. And i'm amazed that Sim got away with all these parodies. Red Sonja, Batman, Captain America, Swamp Thing and Man-Thing are all torn asunder here in.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Goaty 08 July, 2014, 09:08:11 PM
Why some people like to knew the spoilers before the TV Shows out or in comics!
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Ghost MacRoth 08 July, 2014, 09:10:16 PM
^ Was thinking the very same thing with the news of the Who scripts being leaked. 
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Colin YNWA 08 July, 2014, 09:23:35 PM
And i'm amazed that Sim got away with all these parodies. Red Sonja, Batman, Captain America, Swamp Thing and Man-Thing are all torn asunder here in.

Oh now that never stops... well at least up to issue 200 at least.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Hawkmumbler 09 July, 2014, 10:00:18 PM
I posted that in the wrong thread....
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Banners 11 July, 2014, 02:52:22 PM
Twenty. Six. Low. Res. Bitmap. Logos. In. A. Word. Document.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Bolt-01 11 July, 2014, 02:55:11 PM
ouch. I feel that pain.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Jim_Campbell 11 July, 2014, 03:08:40 PM
Twenty. Six. Low. Res. Bitmap. Logos. In. A. Word. Document.

"What do you mean you can't use this 64px gif of my logo on the billboard ad?! Just make it bigger in Photoshop or something!"

Cheers

Jim
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Banners 11 July, 2014, 03:32:36 PM
Not quite a billboard but a 2m high exhibition display. Gah!
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Jim_Campbell 11 July, 2014, 03:50:26 PM
Not quite a billboard but a 2m high exhibition display. Gah!

"What do you mean there's an artwork fee for two hours re-drawing the logo in Illustrator? I'm not paying that — you should have used the file I supplied!"

Cheers

Jim
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: CrazyFoxMachine 15 July, 2014, 10:36:29 PM
New Thor.

(http://i.guim.co.uk/w-620/h--/q-95/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/7/15/1405445127470/The-new-female-Thor-010.jpg)

Liberating step forward or another cynical Marvel publicity grab all I can really think is....

boob armour would kill you. (http://www.tor.com/blogs/2013/05/boob-plate-armor-would-kill-you)
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: radiator 15 July, 2014, 11:09:18 PM
People who use the flash on their cameras/phones when taking photos at sporting events/concerts.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: I, Cosh 15 July, 2014, 11:23:25 PM
People who use the flash on their cameras/phones when taking photos at sporting events/concerts.
I thought the modern way was to take a photo with your tablet, thus ensuring everyone behind you gets blinded too.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: radiator 16 July, 2014, 12:40:01 AM
Seriously, what do they think a little blinking led is going to do at that kind of range?
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Grugz 16 July, 2014, 11:05:12 AM
New Thor.



 well go and get thome cream for it thilly boy  ;)
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Frank 16 July, 2014, 11:22:16 AM
Liberating step forward or another cynical Marvel publicity grab

I'd be amazed if Thor hadn't already spent some time as a lady ... and then gone back to how everything was before. Just as I'm sure he's probably become a mortal, been dead, got married, had kids, went evil, found out he was a twin, gave up being a hero, failed to prevent the destruction of the entire universe ... and then everything went back to how it was before. Nature of the medium.

If it was happening in Al Ewing's book, you'd have more faith he'd do something interesting, weird, and funny with the idea.

: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Jim_Campbell 16 July, 2014, 11:34:10 AM
I'd be amazed if Thor hadn't already spent some time as a lady ... and then gone back to how everything was before. Just as I'm sure he's probably become a mortal, been dead, got married, had kids, went evil, found out he was a twin, gave up being a hero, failed to prevent the destruction of the entire universe ...

…and turned into a frog. Which, apparently, is more acceptable to Marvel fans than Thor being a woman. Anyone who thinks the character won't back on-model for portrayal by Chris Hemsworth in time for Avengers 2 is kidding themselves.

Cheers

Jim
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: SmallBlueThing 16 July, 2014, 11:39:59 AM
Yes, I seem to remember Beta Ray Bill turned out okay- but then he was a he.

Thor confuses me anyway. What happened to Dr Donald Duck and tapping his stick on the ground to turn into Thor? I liked that idea, and the inherent "human worthy enough to be a god" idea. If thats what theyre getting back to, good on them.

SBT
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: JamesC 16 July, 2014, 12:10:33 PM
Yes, I seem to remember Beta Ray Bill turned out okay- but then he was a he.

Thor confuses me anyway. What happened to Dr Donald Duck and tapping his stick on the ground to turn into Thor? I liked that idea, and the inherent "human worthy enough to be a god" idea. If thats what theyre getting back to, good on them.

SBT

Yeah, I liked Don Blake. And if Thor's hammer left his hand for more than 30 seconds he'd turn back!
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: ZenArcade 16 July, 2014, 12:37:56 PM
Possibly totally tangential, but did Thor not masquerade as a maiden in Norse myth?
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: TordelBack 16 July, 2014, 12:50:40 PM
Indeed he did, in what is one of my favourite stories of the Poetic Edda, where Thor is disguised as Freya when she is to be wed to the jotun Thryma, and Loki (as bridesmaid) has to keep making excuses for Thor's unladylike behaviour at the wedding feast. It's a standalone piece of humour that would slot neatly into everything from (topically) Carry On Up The Bifrost to (sadly also topically) The Young Ones. 

Both my kids roll about laughing when we read this one.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: ZenArcade 16 July, 2014, 12:55:44 PM
The very one, doubt if it's got much to do with the Marvel franchise version (I could care less). Z
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: TordelBack 16 July, 2014, 01:00:13 PM
Could be wrong, but I think the story has been recounted many times in the Marvel books, probably as recently as the estimable Kieron Gillen's run.  But equally, I doubt it has much to do with the current ploy.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Dandontdare 16 July, 2014, 02:35:11 PM
People who use the flash on their cameras/phones when taking photos at sporting events/concerts.

I went down to Devon to catch the total eclipse in 1999and one of the most spectacular sights (after the cosmic awesomeness of watching the sun go out) was thousands upon thousands of flash bulbs filckering from the hillsides across the other side of Torbay.

Pretty as the effect was, these people were trying to take pictures of the SUN and the MOON causing DARKNESS. With a flash. Makes concert flash-photos seem almost sensible.

I've got dozens of old gig photos fro the 80s and 90s and they're all identical - coloured stage lights with unrecognisable blobs somewhere amongst them. I can sometimes guess the gig from the backdrop.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Steve Green 16 July, 2014, 03:15:56 PM
The Canon photograpers at events with their enormous white telephoto lenses are wasting their time, when you can get similar results with a phone.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Professor Bear 16 July, 2014, 04:44:11 PM
Could be wrong, but I think the story has been recounted many times in the Marvel books, probably as recently as the estimable Kieron Gillen's run.  But equally, I doubt it has much to do with the current ploy.

It's been done several times, and I've seen the Twitpics to prove it in the last hour alone.  Even Loki had a go at being a lady a couple of years back.  Personally, I blame the success of Fiona and Cake for making the gender-swap thing a trending writing trope right now - and when IDW's Star Trek comics are doing an idea, you can pretty much go ahead and call it as nothing new.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Trout 16 July, 2014, 04:54:43 PM
I often rant at Spider-man cartoons about what a terrible photographer he is. He often uses flash from too far away.

My children ignore me.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: TordelBack 16 July, 2014, 05:26:21 PM
I often rant at Spider-man cartoons about what a terrible photographer he is.

In fairness a frequent plot-point.  It's Peter's 'amazing' ability to be in the right place at the right time that gets him the sales, not his skill with tone and composition, nor even his reliability at taking the lens cap off or putting the film in!

Anyway, you charming curmudgeons must realise that the default setting of most snap cameras has always been to use flash, and how many people ever fiddle with the settings?
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Trout 16 July, 2014, 05:51:36 PM
Also, if one freelancer was getting amazing shots of the same celebrity over and over, there's no way an editor would keep accepting them, no questions asked. Sooner or later, somebody's going to demand an explanation, even in a fucked-up newsroom like the Daily Bugle. Hey, Peter's kind of skinny, just like... Nah.

Yes, the Clark Kent glasses thing is ridiculous too.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: JamesC 16 July, 2014, 06:46:14 PM
Also, if one freelancer was getting amazing shots of the same celebrity over and over, there's no way an editor would keep accepting them, no questions asked. Sooner or later, somebody's going to demand an explanation, even in a fucked-up newsroom like the Daily Bugle. Hey, Peter's kind of skinny, just like... Nah.

Yes, the Clark Kent glasses thing is ridiculous too.

It worked a little better in the early days. When nerdy, clumsy Peter Parker was getting called a milk-sop and having his aunt send care packages to the newsroom no one would believe he could be the Amazing Spider-Man that Flash Thompson idolised Doc Ock got a pasting from.
Once Peter got rid of the glasses and married a super model it was perhaps more likely that he might have the leotard under his Farrahs.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Professor Bear 16 July, 2014, 06:57:44 PM
A mate said he always assumed that since Jonah Jameson looked like Hitler and owned a tabloid, everyone in Marvel NYC just assumed Spider-Man was black and this was why JJJ had it in for him and why no-one ever pegged honky Parker as being the man under the mask.  I have to admit that logic holds about as much water as anything in the actual comics.

Yes, the Clark Kent glasses thing is ridiculous too.

That was the one thing Man Of Steel got right: everyone can see as clear as day that Clark Kent is just Superman in a pair of glasses, they just don't mention it because Superman is fucking terrifying.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: JamesC 16 July, 2014, 07:10:44 PM
Another reason Captain Marvel is better than Superman.
Captain Marvel FTW!
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Professor Bear 16 July, 2014, 07:25:58 PM
New 52 Captain Marvel/Shazam is a massive arsehole.  I decided to stop reading when he killed a homeless person in his first appearance.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: JamesC 16 July, 2014, 07:43:22 PM
New 52 Captain Marvel/Shazam is a massive arsehole.  I decided to stop reading when he killed a homeless person in his first appearance.

Sigh. That's just crap. You can't have anything nice can you? Someone has to come along and spoil it.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Jim_Campbell 16 July, 2014, 07:47:02 PM
Sigh. That's just crap. You can't have anything nice can you? Someone has to come along and spoil it.

Angsty Grimdark. ™ and © Tordel B. Ack, Esq. All rights reserved.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Hawkmumbler 16 July, 2014, 07:48:56 PM
Sigh. That's just crap. You can't have anything nice can you? Someone has to come along and spoil it.

Angsty Grimdark. ™ and © Tordel B. Ack, Esq. All rights reserved.
Magnificent.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Frank 16 July, 2014, 08:58:22 PM
Sigh. That's just crap. You can't have anything nice can you? Someone has to come along and spoil it.

(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/7/16/1405476871286/06482ac7-a709-4b30-a850-6abec5d58fb6-460x309.jpeg)

ARCHIE DIES AT HANDS OF
HOMOPHOBIC GUNMAN


http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/jul/16/how-archie-dies-teenage-comic-stars-heroic-fate-revealed

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: Hawkmumbler 16 July, 2014, 09:09:08 PM
Sigh. That's just crap. You can't have anything nice can you? Someone has to come along and spoil it.

(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/7/16/1405476871286/06482ac7-a709-4b30-a850-6abec5d58fb6-460x309.jpeg)

ARCHIE DIES AT HANDS OF
HOMOPHOBIC GUNMAN


http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/jul/16/how-archie-dies-teenage-comic-stars-heroic-fate-revealed
Magnificent also.
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: JamesC 16 July, 2014, 09:35:20 PM
Sigh. That's just crap. You can't have anything nice can you? Someone has to come along and spoil it.

(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/7/16/1405476871286/06482ac7-a709-4b30-a850-6abec5d58fb6-460x309.jpeg)

ARCHIE DIES AT HANDS OF
HOMOPHOBIC GUNMAN


http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/jul/16/how-archie-dies-teenage-comic-stars-heroic-fate-revealed
Magnificent also.

 :o
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: Hawkmumbler 16 July, 2014, 09:38:13 PM
I might have had a few drinks by this point.
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: TordelBack 17 July, 2014, 08:35:13 AM
I go to look at the comments under the Guardian article, feeling the whole thing is silly, crass and contrived, and come away a minute later thinking there just aren't enough of these heavy-handed statements.
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: Theblazeuk 17 July, 2014, 10:17:02 AM
Next issue: Frank Castle returns to Riverdale....


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: Hawkmumbler 20 July, 2014, 10:34:26 PM
Amazon fucking me over. I ordered two volumes of D.Gray-Man to be delivered while I was away. The system for some reason doubled my order and charged me thus. Now, even if I get my refund, i'll be charged for returning the items. Time I switched to Wordery for all orders I think.
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: Goaty 23 July, 2014, 11:54:26 AM
There some films that shouldn't be re-make or sequels but sadly Fight Club will having comic sequel. The film is so awesome but it don't really need sequel.


‘Fight Club’ Is Getting A Comic-Book Sequel
Chuck Palahniuk will create 10-issue comic series.


You DO NOT talk about “Fight Club.” Thankfully, Chuck Palahniuk will be breaking that cardinal rule with his highly-anticipated sequel, “Fight Club 2.”

According to USA Today, the author will collaborate with interior artist Cameron Stewart and cover artist David Mack to create a 10-issue comic maxiseries for Dark Horse Comics.

The comic series will bring back the book’s central characters, the unnamed narrator, Marla Singer and Tyler Durden, and will explore the narrator failing his 9-year old son Junior in the same way that his father failed him.

“The original book was such a tirade against fathers — everything I had thought my father had not done combined with everything my peers were griping about their fathers,” Palahniuk told USA Today. “Now to find myself at the age that my father was when I was trashing him made me want to revisit it from the father’s perspective and see if things were any better and why it repeats like that.”

The sequel featuring bare-knuckle brawls and romanticized anarchy was birthed at last year’s Comic-Con in New York.

“I messed up and said I was doing the sequel in front of 1,500 geeks with telephones,” Palahniuk said. “Suddenly, there was this big scramble to honor my word.”

“Fight Club 2″ will hit stores on April 8, 2015.


http://www.mtv.com/news/1874523/fight-club-2-comics/ (http://www.mtv.com/news/1874523/fight-club-2-comics/)
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: shaolin_monkey 23 July, 2014, 12:17:32 PM
Is it a sequel to his book?  or the film?  The book was superb, the film less so, but still excellent.
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: Jim_Campbell 23 July, 2014, 12:18:37 PM
There some films that shouldn't be re-make or sequels but sadly Fight Club will having comic sequel. The film is so awesome but it don't really need sequel.

Don't buy it.

Problem solved.

Cheers

Jim
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: Link Prime 07 August, 2014, 01:10:39 AM
Getting back to the Raison d'être of this thread (extreme reaction to seemingly innocuous topics)- The new Heineken advert annoys the hell outta me.

Yeah, yeah I know the sentiment is correct. It just makes me want to vomit.
Kinda like the insipid, bland and bafflingly popular beer itself.

http://www.theheinekencompany.com/media/features/dance-more-drink-slow



: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Theblazeuk 07 August, 2014, 10:16:24 AM
My theory on Heineken's popularity and the rest of its ilk is akin to Mark Kermode's theory of blockbusters v indy movies.

Still better than Fosters.
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: Dandontdare 07 August, 2014, 10:28:42 AM
the drinks advert that is really bugging me at the moment is that "fantastic girls" one that was all over the world cup. Don't know why, just find that song immensely irritating.

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: Grugz 09 August, 2014, 10:14:00 AM
barbers. my hair was finally getting a decent length (sort of like petey's in my avatar) as ive been trying to grow it out for a while ,the back was getting a bit wooly so I went to get a trim the words" not too much off the length just a trim to tidy it up a bit" obviously meant go at me with a number four and ignore everything I just said .but thankfully he didn't get to the top before I stopped him ,I had to trim the top and front myself just to make it halfway decent to blend in .

  I hate short hair with a vengeance and have  a big face wich makes it look worse so I may have to grow a beard now to hide a bit of the big moon face while it hopefully grows back however flippin long that takes  >:(
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: The Doctor Alt 8 09 August, 2014, 02:20:28 PM
Get a wig young man!

It's cheaper in the long run.
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: Grugz 09 August, 2014, 04:30:28 PM
can  I borrow yours? ;)
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: The Doctor Alt 8 09 August, 2014, 04:55:22 PM
Well it might not fit.....

And... do you want to be a red head?
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Grugz 09 August, 2014, 08:11:56 PM
Well it might not fit.....

And... do you want to be a red head?

my mother was, I could do a whole norman bates thing
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: Trout 10 August, 2014, 01:57:39 AM
barbers. my hair was finally getting a decent length (sort of like petey's in my avatar) as ive been trying to grow it out for a while ,the back was getting a bit wooly so I went to get a trim the words" not too much off the length just a trim to tidy it up a bit" obviously meant go at me with a number four and ignore everything I just said

Yes, I know. This has happened to me so many times. Sometimes I think of the old ad with the "Lionel Blair cut". So many barbers smile, nod and just do whatever the hell they like.
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: Grugz 10 August, 2014, 05:44:33 PM
at least it wasn't the time the polish girl was told "do not touch the front" for her to grab the front and just cut it all off!!! I had a centimetre left ,so I left without paying after getting ignored by the gold toothed pimp boss who followed me out the shop to threaten me.
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: JamesC 10 August, 2014, 06:54:42 PM
When I was at school a friend of mine worked in a Barbers sweeping up hair and making tea etc.
He reckons that one customer, when asked 'do you want anything on it sir?' at the end of his hair cut replied 'Yeah, a pair of knickers coz you cut hair like a c*nt!'

This was the same barbers that features in the video for 'House of Fun' by Madness, fact fans.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: von Boom 14 August, 2014, 08:07:39 PM
Standing in a queue while the person who is supposed to be serving you finishes what is obviously a personal conversation.

Makes you want to go off on them the way Steve Martin did the lady at the car rental counter in Trains, Planes, and Automobiles.
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: Trout 15 August, 2014, 01:34:38 AM
Standing in a queue while the person who is supposed to be serving you finishes what is obviously a personal conversation.

Makes you want to go off on them the way Steve Martin did the lady at the car rental counter in Trains, Planes, and Automobiles.

Seven people behind the counter in a coffee place this morning prioritised their conversation (apparently about a colleague smelling especially nice that day) over the needs of the growing line of customers. Weirdly, people were receiving their orders in a way that owed nothing to the sequence in which they were made. It was annoying as hell.

I accept that there's nothing wrong with having a chat, and that they're people and not robots, but their disregard for the feelings of others was difficult to cope with. Whole queue was pissed off.
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: The Doctor Alt 8 15 August, 2014, 03:59:55 PM
when you follow someone's instruction's to the letter...

what you try to do doesn't work...
then the instructor refuses to believe that it didn't work or assumes you have done something wrong...



: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Banners 17 August, 2014, 09:12:33 PM
It really grinds my gears that it's more than twice as expensive at £44.99 to get a license key for my anti-virus direct from Norton via email, compared to what it is to get the physical software from Amazon, delivered in a van at £22.11.

How does that make sense - or how is it allowed?
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Skullmo 18 August, 2014, 12:33:03 PM
'well none of us had problems on the train getting in'


You use a different f*cking line!
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Grugz 19 August, 2014, 06:42:24 PM
trains are grinding my gears...last week I took a regular trip to Blackburn and wanted to get off early at bamber bridge and enjoy a long walk instead the train terminated at preston and I had to get a bus to Leyland...now being off I was going to go to Manchester but again buses here there and everywhere or changing at wigan whereas you used to be able to get on for a 45 min trio no changes and voila manc!
  I have found out all these disruptions are for the railway bods to raise all the bridges to allow for electric tracks ( I think, train enthusiasts feel free to be pedantic) the guy I spoke to reckons only virgin's very sparse service is to blame and why they couldn't just dig down to accommodate the lines instead...and the fares gone up over two quid!!!
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Skullmo 19 August, 2014, 11:00:03 PM
and the fares gone up over two quid!!!

My 20 minute london train costs me £7.50 each way
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Hawkmumbler 20 August, 2014, 12:17:33 AM
When people don't grease the o-rings on their cylinders. Oddly specific to divers but these rubber circles act as a seal for the air flow into and out of the valve when open, narrowing the passage and making it easier to enter the whip/hose. Well greased, they are damp prevent any friction. Left dry, they pop out and cause half the accumulative air bank to be forced out due to the shift in pressure, as happened today. It's loud, frightening, dangerous and it takes hours refil the banks from the compresser. Keep your rings well loobed, gentlemen.
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: Hawkmumbler 29 August, 2014, 09:13:01 AM
Dawkins is a prize nob head isn't he?!
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: TordelBack 29 August, 2014, 10:02:18 AM
Dawkins is a prize nob head isn't he?!

Indeed he is, for all that I love his actual work.

However, equally toweringly insensitive are the righteous twiteratti who piled on with their genocidal musings without a single thought for the feelings of those people who have made exactly the choice that Dawkins outlines, and for many of the same reasons.
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: Theblazeuk 29 August, 2014, 10:29:42 AM
He is an insensitive git. But I've yet to hear a reasonable argument against most of his points that aren't purely subjective (such as the morality of abortion, which I think is fair enough for him - they asked his opinion, he didn't sugarcoat it or politically duck it, he gave it straight up and honestly and whats more hasn't claimed his opinion is metaphysically justified).
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: Hawkmumbler 29 August, 2014, 10:44:21 AM
Claiming that Downs Syndrome is a reasonable excuse for abortion, in contrast to actual life threatening disorders or genetic afflictions, is a dick move. DS has no affect on a persons quality of life.
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: TordelBack 29 August, 2014, 11:10:22 AM
These are entirely valid points of view, although I'd note that the issue of quality of life extends beyond what is at that point only a potential person to that of two actual extant people, but the fact remains that testing for Downs is a regular part of early antenatal care in many countries, with all that implies.  If Dawkins is some gibbering monster lurking beyond the bounds of common morality, then why is this choice, or indeed the choice to have that choice, placed before many/most parents at all? 

What Dawkins is is crassly, wilfully insensitive to an issue that can never be anything but deeply emotive.  Dispassionately exploring the morality of a situation that exists isn't in itself a bad thing, indeed it's essential, but as usual the manner in which he communicates completely undermines the value of his thoughts. 
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: Bolt-01 29 August, 2014, 11:12:05 AM
These are entirely valid points of view, although I'd note that the issue of quality of life extends beyond what is at that point only a potential person to that of two actual extant people, but the fact remains that testing for Downs is a regular part of early antenatal care in many countries, with all that implies.  If Dawkins is some gibbering monster lurking beyond the bounds of common morality, then why is this choice, or indeed the choice to have that choice, placed before many/most parents at all? 

What Dawkins is is crassly, wilfully insensitive to an issue that can never be anything but deeply emotive.  Dispassionately exploring the morality of a situation that exists isn't in itself a bad thing, but as usual the manner in which he communicates completely undermines the value of his thoughts.

This about covers my thoughts on the matter but says it well.
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: Fungus 29 August, 2014, 08:35:42 PM
These are entirely valid points of view, although I'd note that the issue of quality of life extends beyond what is at that point only a potential person to that of two actual extant people, but the fact remains that testing for Downs is a regular part of early antenatal care in many countries, with all that implies.  If Dawkins is some gibbering monster lurking beyond the bounds of common morality, then why is this choice, or indeed the choice to have that choice, placed before many/most parents at all? 

What Dawkins is is crassly, wilfully insensitive to an issue that can never be anything but deeply emotive.  Dispassionately exploring the morality of a situation that exists isn't in itself a bad thing, but as usual the manner in which he communicates completely undermines the value of his thoughts.

This about covers my thoughts on the matter but says it well.

Agreed.

I'm a bit bewildered that Dawkins couldn't see how shitty that would come across.
Mitigated slightly by the hateful clanger-machine that is Twitter, ie. summing up sensitive arguments in 100 characters, or whatever it is.
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: Dandontdare 29 August, 2014, 09:13:11 PM
Is that confirmed as really him rather than one some hacker or imposter? I agree he's a bit of a nob, but surely he's not THAT stupid to give his detractors such juicy ammunition?
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Fungus 30 August, 2014, 12:52:10 AM
Is that confirmed as really him rather than one some hacker or imposter? I agree he's a bit of a nob, but surely he's not THAT stupid to give his detractors such juicy ammunition?

That thought had occurred. Just assumed it's genuine and wouldn't have got this far otherwise...
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: Frank 30 August, 2014, 08:00:38 AM
Is that confirmed as really him rather than one some hacker or imposter? I agree he's a bit of a nob, but surely he's not THAT stupid to give his detractors such juicy ammunition?

Straight from the horse's mouth arse:

https://richarddawkins.net/2014/08/abortion-down-syndrome-an-apology-for-letting-slip-the-dogs-of-twitterwar/

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: Richmond Clements 30 August, 2014, 09:58:28 AM
Richard Bacon mentioned a rather good tweet he'd read about Dawkins' tweets being like an episode of Game of Thrones: there's 140 characters and something bad is going to happen.
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: Hawkmumbler 18 September, 2014, 12:09:03 AM
My computer just got "V9" malware. Dunno exactly what it does but until I can delete it i'm gonna have to change my bank details. :-\
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Hawkmumbler 18 September, 2014, 09:54:12 AM
So I just spent the last hour manually removing the malware. Bah, not how I wanted to start my day.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Grugz 18 September, 2014, 03:57:58 PM
thats what you get for watching online porn...dirty boy!
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Hawkmumbler 18 September, 2014, 08:22:37 PM
I'd be lying if I said thats not where I got it! :lol:
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: radiator 23 September, 2014, 10:13:01 PM
It's an obvious one, but wanky management-speak.

My workplace is currently infested with it, and I'm tempted to call it out - start taking the piss a bit basically - in order to curtail it. The worst examples for me are when people use silly management jargon when we already have a perfectly valid word/term for what they are saying.

"How are you tracking? Are you tracking for end of play?"

When "How are you getting on? Will you be finished by the end of the day?" would be, if anything, clearer.

"Do you have bandwith to do X?"

How about "Do you have time to do X?" instead, you insufferable cretin?

Makes me want to smash things!  >:(
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: JohnMcF 24 September, 2014, 10:17:17 AM
If someone tells you there is no I in team just tell them there is a U in fuck off!
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: JamesC 24 September, 2014, 10:24:35 AM
It's an obvious one, but wanky management-speak.

My workplace is currently infested with it, and I'm tempted to call it out - start taking the piss a bit basically - in order to curtail it. The worst examples for me are when people use silly management jargon when we already have a perfectly valid word/term for what they are saying.

"How are you tracking? Are you tracking for end of play?"

When "How are you getting on? Will you be finished by the end of the day?" would be, if anything, clearer.

"Do you have bandwith to do X?"

How about "Do you have time to do X?" instead, you insufferable cretin?

Makes me want to smash things!  >:(

Ha ha. If someone asked me how I was tracking I wouldn't even know what they were talking about (at least i wouldn't have before I read this post).
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Fungus 24 September, 2014, 11:51:14 AM
Those are new ones on me :)  Management-speak is pretty low-hanging fruit on the tree of annoyances.
Current ones that annoy me far more than they should:

"There is a disconnect"

"Going forward"


Aaaarrrgh, etc.
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: Daveycandlish 24 September, 2014, 12:05:45 PM
If management use "Going forward" or "Thinking out of the box" or "ball park figures", I just switch off and ignore them. Life's too short to waste on arseholes.
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: radiator 24 September, 2014, 04:43:43 PM
"Reach out" is another one. "I'll reach out to the client" etc. I've even heard it used outside of a work context - maybe it's an American thing?

But what is wrong with the word 'contact'?!?!
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: Banners 24 September, 2014, 04:45:35 PM
: Daveycandlish
..."ball park figures"...

That's just common parlance, surely?
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: radiator 24 September, 2014, 05:03:51 PM
I wouldn't really flinch at 'thinking outside the box' either. Maybe it would grind my gears a bit if used excessively, or in the wrong context.
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: JamesC 24 September, 2014, 06:31:57 PM
But that's what happens, these phrases infect the language. In a few years we'll all be reaching out to each other to find out how we're tracking!

You should make your own up and see if they catch on. If you don't like someone's idea tell them you're going to put it in the fridge or something.
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: Link Prime 24 September, 2014, 07:19:56 PM
"Reach out" is another one. "I'll reach out to the client" etc. I've even heard it used outside of a work context - maybe it's an American thing?

But what is wrong with the word 'contact'?!?!

It's always used correctly in The Sopranos.
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: Ancient Otter 24 September, 2014, 08:28:31 PM
Those are new ones on me :)  Management-speak is pretty low-hanging fruit on the tree of annoyances.
Current ones that annoy me far more than they should:



"Going forward"


Aaaarrrgh, etc.

"Going Foward" really drives me up the wall when work-superiors say it as I particularly associate that phrase with a disastrous Taoiseach - Brian Cowen
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: TordelBack 24 September, 2014, 08:44:34 PM
Where I'm working we could use a little more management speak.  Or indeed management.  Or even speak.  Pay has been screwy for loads of folks (not me, being a subby), and the grudging response so far has been: 'wouldn't know about that, we use an external company for payroll'.  Yes, and I use a number of 'external companies' to get me to work (Ford, Statoil, the National Roads Authority), but I doubt I'd get far blaming them for being late. Manage it, manager.
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: JOE SOAP 24 September, 2014, 09:28:38 PM
"Reach out" is another one. "I'll reach out to the client" etc. I've even heard it used outside of a work context - maybe it's an American thing?

But what is wrong with the word 'contact'?!?!


Sometimes I doubt your commitment to Sparklemotion.


: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: SuperSurfer 25 September, 2014, 12:51:01 AM
Winds me up when people say "I'm good!" in response to "how are you?" It's usually said with emphasis. Shit, someone might think I'm just "okay".

Also in cafes, restaurants etc "Can I get a …" But you aren't getting it you are being given it. When did "can I have?" go out of fashion?
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: TordelBack 25 September, 2014, 02:44:37 AM
Winds me up when people say "I'm good!" in response to "how are you?" It's usually said with emphasis. Shit, someone might think I'm just "okay".

Where do you stand on 'grand'?
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Proudhuff 25 September, 2014, 09:25:04 AM
Winds me up when people say "I'm good!" in response to "how are you?" It's usually said with emphasis.

best response to that is:

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Fungus 25 September, 2014, 11:09:40 AM
Winds me up when people say "I'm good!" in response to "how are you?" It's usually said with emphasis.

best response to that is:

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

S'right.
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: Dandontdare 25 September, 2014, 11:44:38 AM
the best tactic for the most extreme examples of managementbollockspeak like 'bandwidth' and 'tracking' is to feign complete incomprehension even if you know what they mean - forcing them to explain what they mean in plain English exposes just how silly they sound, and you can respond with "why don't you just say time?", or a simple, slightly pitying "ah, okay".
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: TordelBack 25 September, 2014, 12:04:30 PM
Have you blue-skied the long tail on that one, DDD, I mean really done the next-level drill-down before you action it?  Sometimes being buzzword-compliant is mission critical, if we're going to go forward together.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Jim_Campbell 25 September, 2014, 12:08:53 PM
Have you blue-skied the long tail on that one, DDD, I mean really done the next-level drill-down before you action it?  Sometimes being buzzword-compliant is mission critical, if we're going to go forward together.

You've run that up my flagpole, and I'm saluting it.

Cheers

Jim
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: I, Cosh 25 September, 2014, 12:30:45 PM
You should make your own up and see if they catch on. If you don't like someone's idea tell them you're going to put it in the fridge or something.
I had one manager (a good guy but a true artist of bullshit) who used to delight in doing exactly this. Sadly, I can't remember any particularly good examples but we'd be in fairly high level meetings and he'd be banging on about "sticking the weasel in the rabbit hutch" or whatever. He would sometimes adopt themes as well: farmyard animals, say, or space exploration. Happy times!
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Recrewt 25 September, 2014, 12:42:01 PM
The best mock ones I ever heard were:

Blame-Storming: Similar to brain-storming, a meeting usually held after a major issue to decide who is at fault

Testiculating: When a manager waves his arms around whilst talking b*ll*x
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: SuperSurfer 25 September, 2014, 01:16:17 PM
Where do you stand on 'grand'?
Don't tend to get that round these parts. It's all a bit more hip where I work most of the time – where every now and then, shop staff will address me, the customer, as "dude" or "fella".

Now that really grinds me gears!

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: radiator 25 September, 2014, 03:23:32 PM
The exuberant guy who served me in a cafe the other day, when he realised I was English, insisted on showing me his Thom Yorke and Michael Caine impressions. I smiled and nodded but was cringing so hard inside.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Grugz 25 September, 2014, 04:37:33 PM


You've run that up my flagpole, and I'm saluting it.

Cheers

Jim

that sounds filthy.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Rog69 25 September, 2014, 06:21:55 PM
Until a couple of years ago I used to work for a big company and the whole organisation was infested with the worst kind of wank-word spouting corporate drones.

I had the displeasure of having to take part in a twice weekly conference call with one of the worst examples, a guy so incompetent that he was toxic to anyone who had to work with him, he was universally hated.
If you spoke normally in the conference calls with him he would actually butt in and correct what you said into wank-speak.

We began a project to try to introduce an innocent sounding phrase that was actually the name of a very obscure but very perverted sex act, inception style into his vocabulary by using it around him to refer positively to things. Sadly I left the company before it ever came to fruition. 
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Theblazeuk 26 September, 2014, 01:15:17 PM
I don't mind going forwards... when you're talking about changing a standard practice done by loads of people across loads of things, I think it makes sense - i.e. rather than going *back* and changing everything that's already been done to the new revised standards, which is a huge amount of work.

Mind you maybe that only makes sense in my work, big databases of editorial info.
: Re: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: radiator 26 September, 2014, 04:47:11 PM
What's wrong with just saying 'from now on' though?
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: TordelBack 26 September, 2014, 08:08:33 PM
The exuberant guy who served me in a cafe the other day, when he realised I was English, insisted on showing me his Thom Yorke and Michael Caine impressions. I smiled and nodded but was cringing so hard inside.

Heh, tables turned!  As any Emerald Islander can tell you, there is a not-insignificant subset of the English race who suffer from a tourettes-like compulsion to put on what they think is their best Jimmy Cricket within 30 seconds of meeting you.

Mind you, a thankfully smaller proportion of Americans like to affect a passable Tom-Cruise-in-Far-and Away, so I suppose you're not the worst.
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: SuperSurfer 26 September, 2014, 08:18:19 PM
… a tourettes-like compulsion to put on what they think is their best Jimmy Cricket within 30 seconds of meeting you.

I worked with an Italian guy years ago and I asked him if it wound him up that people would constantly talk to him in a mock Italian accent. It was never ending.

That was the 'tipping point'. Next time an art director spoke to him in that way he flipped: "Listen, you don't have to talk to me like I'm a ****ing **** for me to undertand you! I do understand English you know!" which put an end to that.
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: Mardroid 27 September, 2014, 03:11:42 AM
Hmm. Just yesterday I had a Nigerian student (one who only came over a year or so ago) speaking to me in an effected English accent. Its not something they do in general so I found it noticeable.

My colleague noticed this about him before I did. We had just been talking about him the day before and talking about how he seemed to live in his more confident mate's shadow but would put in his two pence so to speak. I said he  came across quite patronizing when talking to me and she mentioned the put on a fake English accent which never really occurred to me before...(probably because it was pretty bad). Then I get that call today and... boy was she right. Amusingly it came across kinda posh yet he managed a bit of a London twang to.
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: Grugz 30 September, 2014, 06:10:42 PM
for the third week ion a row my daughter has come home in floods of tears after being made to go swimming, she never felt comfortable in the water (a phobia I share) but is trying to build her confidence by going with her little cousin during the week... the headteacher told her she didn't have to put her face in the water but lied... she has been scared along with a classmate and all the teacher does is make them get out of the little pool and make them go in the big pool! they are made to put their face in the water despite being told she wont tolerate that (even the slighteset bit in her eyes during a shower sends her freaking out. all my wife has got off them is an excuse its part of the curriculum and she has to go...I asked my wife if she gave permission for her to go in the past in the form she sent back and she is sure she didn't give consent for her to go swimming (especially as its off site)
  my wife has tried the nicey approach and just been ignored so I'm going in guns blazing tomorrow to ask for the form we sent in ...

   I may be wrong but if a child is scared of something is it ok to keep making them to do it and upset /scare them?  I'm pretty sure if a child I know who has a phobia of spidery things, if I kept showing them pictures or got a rubber spider and made them hold it I am pretty sure I would be looking for an other job for bullying /abuse  despite my excuse that I'm trying to build their confidence with the spiders ...

  and its always the teachers who don't have kids... >:(  grr angry protective dad......
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: TordelBack 30 September, 2014, 06:21:41 PM
Learning to swim is important, and definitely has a place on the curriculum, but adding to someone's dislike of the water by forcing them into it as part of a school situation certainly isn't going to get the job done.  I don't know what it's like in your part of the world, but here there are classes specifically targeting kids like your daughter, with simple splashy fun in a very shallow pool that builds confidence gradually and imperceptibly. Upsetting and potentially humiliating them to no good end... well, no parent gives permission for that, explicitly or implicitly.
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: Grugz 30 September, 2014, 06:27:33 PM
yep, that's why she goes in with her cousin whos 3 to help her gain some comfidence.  I remember the sadist who tried to teach me and used to push us under the water with no warning with a wooden pole...so I take a dim view about teachers thinking they get carte blanch to treat my child as rhye want...I'm probably going to get dirtier looks from the head after tomorrow if that's possible  :lol:
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: radiator 01 December, 2014, 07:42:48 PM
You know what grinds my gears? Getting stuck in a cultural rut.

I'm sure this is something many of you will relate to:

Basically, with every year that goes by it get ever harder to convince my girlfriend to watch something new. She has pretty good taste in movies generally, but it seems nowadays that every time we decide to watch something she immediately gravitates towards her 'comfort films' - an endlessly-repeated cycle of about 30 or 40 films and TV shows that she would apparently happily watch on a loop, forever.

They're not terrible films per se (generally John Hughes movies, Christmas films, upper-tier rom-coms, comedies and bland-but-watchable 1990s sitcoms), some are even excellent, all-time top 10 movies, but I just want to watch something new!

So we'll generally end up compromising and choosing something neither of us really want to watch, and end up on our phones, or spend so long arguing and trawling Netflix menus that we'll run out of time for a film.

Does my head in no end! We have this whole world of incredible entertainment at our fingertips via Blu Ray, streaming, not to mention HBO GO etc etc, and yet we just end up watching the same shit day in, day out.
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: Mister Pops 01 December, 2014, 07:56:42 PM
The phrase "cultural appropriation " has wormed its way into my purview. Seems like small-minded petty prejudice masquerading as progressive thinking. I mean... Yes, us white folks look ridiculous with dreads and I have no problem gently ribbing someone over their daft hair. However, calling someone a fundamentally bad person over something as superficial as their personal appearance or taste in music* is an extreme step I'm unwilling to take.

*ALL rock'n'roll could be considered cultural appropriation.
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: Mister Pops 01 December, 2014, 08:08:30 PM
Radiator, I have the polar opposite problem. Once me and my missus have watched something, she never wants to watch it again. Not because she didn't enjoy it immensely, but because "we've already seen it. What's the point watching it again?"

I've only seen each episode of Breaking Bad once.
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: radiator 01 December, 2014, 08:13:33 PM
Radiator, I have the polar opposite problem. Once me and my missus have watched something, she never wants to watch it again. Not because she didn't enjoy it immensely, but because "we've already seen it. What's the point watching it again?"

I've only seen each episode of Breaking Bad once.

Ah, but she'll put that argument out of the bag with stuff that I like to rewatch! I got the worst of both worlds.
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: Mister Pops 01 December, 2014, 08:20:37 PM
Radiator, I have the polar opposite problem. Once me and my missus have watched something, she never wants to watch it again. Not because she didn't enjoy it immensely, but because "we've already seen it. What's the point watching it again?"

I've only seen each episode of Breaking Bad once.

Ah, but she'll put that argument out of the bag with stuff that I like to rewatch! I got the worst of both worlds.

There's only two shows I've managed to break this pattern. Star Trek, because she understands that's my TV comfort food* and Game of Thrones, because I got sick of answering her questions and demanded she either reads the books or we rewatch it.

*she also has a crush on both Paddy Stewart and Young Shatner with his constantly ripping shirts.
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: JamesC 01 December, 2014, 10:00:30 PM
Netflix and other streaming services fill their quota with 90% shite so it's not unusual to trawl for ages before finding something you like.
I can totally understand wanting to rewatch films multiple times - I like to do it myself. While I do like to watch new things there's something to be said for putting on a show/film that you know suits your mood.
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: Hawkmumbler 02 December, 2014, 11:02:38 AM
Able bodied people who insist on sitting down on a bus or train even when an elderly or disabled person is struggling to stand. Hang the ignorant cunts.
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: SuperSurfer 02 December, 2014, 01:50:10 PM
Know you today, don't know you tomorrow types ie people who speak to you when they want something, are mock super pally and then in a day or two act as if you are a complete stranger and God forbid they should say hello or even stoop so low as to acknowledge you.
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: radiator 02 December, 2014, 02:22:31 PM
Who said that?
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: SuperSurfer 02 December, 2014, 03:28:22 PM
Who said that?
Do I know him?
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: von Boom 02 December, 2014, 04:35:04 PM
It's so lonely on this board.
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: JamesC 04 December, 2014, 03:55:44 PM
People that say "Only God can judge me". Double bell-end points if they have it tattooed.
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: Grugz 04 December, 2014, 04:10:42 PM
chest infections...got a doozy :(
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: radiator 10 December, 2014, 02:43:10 AM
PewDiePie.

Genuinely baffled that anyone thinks that watching an idiot prattle on in irritating affected voices while playing videogames constitutes any kind of worthwhile entertainment, let alone millions of them.

Kids today etc.
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: Link Prime 10 December, 2014, 09:29:42 AM
PewDiePie.


No idea what you're talking about.

Thank Grud!
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: Richmond Clements 10 December, 2014, 11:37:02 AM
PewDiePie.

Genuinely baffled that anyone thinks that watching an idiot prattle on in irritating affected voices while playing videogames constitutes any kind of worthwhile entertainment, let alone millions of them.

Kids today etc.

I don't get it either, but my son loves him and laughs his head off watching it. As for watching him playing computer games - I see that as no different than watching people play football, ride horses, play poker or answer questions.
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: radiator 10 December, 2014, 03:04:35 PM
Yeah, but generally we watch people doing those things because they're being done with a lot of skill or intelligence. We watch comedy because theres an element of craftsmanship, even stuff that appears to be spontaeneous and off the cuff. This is just some moron shouting whatever pops into his head.

Hate to dismiss things that are popular with younger generations whether it be music or TV shows or whatever, because i genuinely believe things of quality will shine through even if it not to your own personal taste. But i just cant see any merit to what the guy does.
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: Spaceghost 10 December, 2014, 03:11:47 PM
Yeah, but generally we watch people doing those things because they're being done with a lot of skill or intelligence. We watch comedy because theres an element of craftsmanship, even stuff that appears to be spontaeneous and off the cuff. This is just some moron shouting whatever pops into his head.

Hate to dismiss things that are popular with younger generations whether it be music or TV shows or whatever, because i genuinely believe things of quality will shine through even if it not to your own personal taste. But i just cant see any merit to what the guy does.

Totally agree. My 10 year old son loves watching some other witless, easily-impressed idiot called Cobanermani or something, as he repeatedly shouts "OH SHNAP!" at every mundane occurance whilst playing various video games.

I'm trying to discourage him by using sustained, withering sarcasm every time I see him watching it.
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: Richmond Clements 10 December, 2014, 03:26:12 PM
Yeah, but generally we watch people doing those things because they're being done with a lot of skill or intelligence. We watch comedy because theres an element of craftsmanship, even stuff that appears to be spontaeneous and off the cuff. This is just some moron shouting whatever pops into his head.

Hate to dismiss things that are popular with younger generations whether it be music or TV shows or whatever, because i genuinely believe things of quality will shine through even if it not to your own personal taste. But i just cant see any merit to what the guy does.

Totally agree. My 10 year old son loves watching some other witless, easily-impressed idiot called Cobanermani or something, as he repeatedly shouts "OH SHNAP!" at every mundane occurance whilst playing various video games.

I'm trying to discourage him by using sustained, withering sarcasm every time I see him watching it.

That doesn't work. You just end up teaching them withering sarcasm.
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: Spaceghost 10 December, 2014, 03:29:09 PM
Yeah, but generally we watch people doing those things because they're being done with a lot of skill or intelligence. We watch comedy because theres an element of craftsmanship, even stuff that appears to be spontaeneous and off the cuff. This is just some moron shouting whatever pops into his head.

Hate to dismiss things that are popular with younger generations whether it be music or TV shows or whatever, because i genuinely believe things of quality will shine through even if it not to your own personal taste. But i just cant see any merit to what the guy does.

Totally agree. My 10 year old son loves watching some other witless, easily-impressed idiot called Cobanermani or something, as he repeatedly shouts "OH SHNAP!" at every mundane occurance whilst playing various video games.

I'm trying to discourage him by using sustained, withering sarcasm every time I see him watching it.

That doesn't work. You just end up teaching them withering sarcasm.

That's a vital life-skill in itself.
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: Richmond Clements 10 December, 2014, 03:30:01 PM
Yeah, but generally we watch people doing those things because they're being done with a lot of skill or intelligence. We watch comedy because theres an element of craftsmanship, even stuff that appears to be spontaeneous and off the cuff. This is just some moron shouting whatever pops into his head.

Hate to dismiss things that are popular with younger generations whether it be music or TV shows or whatever, because i genuinely believe things of quality will shine through even if it not to your own personal taste. But i just cant see any merit to what the guy does.

Totally agree. My 10 year old son loves watching some other witless, easily-impressed idiot called Cobanermani or something, as he repeatedly shouts "OH SHNAP!" at every mundane occurance whilst playing various video games.

I'm trying to discourage him by using sustained, withering sarcasm every time I see him watching it.

That doesn't work. You just end up teaching them withering sarcasm.

That's a vital life-skill in itself.

Careful what you wish for! My youngest in particular is very deft with the put down... I have taught him too well.
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: radiator 10 December, 2014, 04:34:12 PM
Another thing that struck me recently with this whole Zoella fiasco (Google it) is celebrity 'authors'.

I totally get that not everyone can write a book, and that people will often need help with writing a memoir, or even have it largely written for them. But i draw the effing line at celebrities pushing novels they have 'written'. Its so cynical and nasty and it grinds my gears no end, and i can only imagine how dispiriting it can be for actual aspiring authors.

Not generally in favour of banning books, but...
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: von Boom 10 December, 2014, 04:55:26 PM
Not a TekWars fan then, eh Rad.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: radiator 10 December, 2014, 05:13:58 PM
PewDiePie.


No idea what you're talking about.

Thank Grud!

He's a bloke in his early twenties who records himself playing videogames while he does a running commentary. His level of humour is putting on silly accents, whooping and screaming and using the word 'rape' as if it's a punchline (though I gather that he does this less nowadays).

Here is an example of his 'work'. This is what a lot of kids today prefer to watch instead of traditional TV, or even playing games themselves. If you can make it through more than a couple of minutes of it you're a better man than me:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HwlhGOxsE0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HwlhGOxsE0)

Oh, and btw he is the most popular uploader of Youtube videos in the world, and he makes millions of pounds a year for doing this.
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: I, Cosh 10 December, 2014, 05:25:25 PM
Not a TekWars fan then, eh Rad.
Give me Guy Ritchie's The Gamekeeper any day...
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: Jim_Campbell 10 December, 2014, 05:25:35 PM
Oh, and btw he is the most popular uploader of Youtube videos in the world, and he makes millions of pounds a year for doing this.

What. The. Actual. FUCK?!

Gnngh.

Jim
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: radiator 10 December, 2014, 05:49:12 PM
You better believe it.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2014/06/18/youtuber-pewdiepie-is-making-4-million-a-year/ (http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2014/06/18/youtuber-pewdiepie-is-making-4-million-a-year/)

As for me, I don't even understand the appeal of watching someone else play videogames in the first place, aside from maybe checking out a gameplay video for thirty-odd seconds to see whether a game looks like my cup of tea. I barely even have time to play games myself, let alone watch someone else doing so.

Streaming, Twitch, 'the 'Share' button on modern consoles... I mean seriously - who gives a shit? Everyone else in the world apparently. Watching other people play videogames is big business now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNG73Q_NJL4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNG73Q_NJL4)
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: Dandontdare 10 December, 2014, 05:50:17 PM
my friend's son (7) spends hours and hours watching people play Minecraft on youtube, and those guys also make a shedload of cash from it.

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/nov/24/minecraft-youtube-videos-mojang-views (http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/nov/24/minecraft-youtube-videos-mojang-views)
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: radiator 10 December, 2014, 05:52:57 PM
I really don't understand how. Are 5-7 year olds a really valuable demographic for marketers pushing online ads? What do they even buy nowadays?
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: Dandontdare 10 December, 2014, 05:56:58 PM
well, the actual value to a company of online advertising or twiitter/facebook campaigns has apparently been vastly overestimated. Private Eye have reported on this a few times recently - there have been academic studies that say that the claims made of the effectiveness of 'new-media' campaigns have been hugely overinflated and they don't generate nearly as much business as the ad people claim. Naturally, the ad agencies and website companies are playing this down, but if the companies who pay for the ads ever cotton on to this, we can expect a lot of free stuff on the web to no longer be free.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: The Doctor Alt 8 11 December, 2014, 02:08:09 AM
PewDiePie.


No idea what you're talking about.

Thank Grud!

He's a bloke in his early twenties who records himself playing videogames while he does a running commentary. His level of humour is putting on silly accents, whooping and screaming and using the word 'rape' as if it's a punchline (though I gather that he does this less nowadays).

Here is an example of his 'work'. This is what a lot of kids today prefer to watch instead of traditional TV, or even playing games themselves. If you can make it through more than a couple of minutes of it you're a better man than me:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HwlhGOxsE0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HwlhGOxsE0)

Oh, and btw he is the most popular uploader of Youtube videos in the world, and he makes millions of pounds a year for doing this.


Seriously? Time for me to reply Oblivion and film me doing it. I need the money....
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: JamesC 11 December, 2014, 07:30:47 AM
PewDiePie.


No idea what you're talking about.

Thank Grud!

He's a bloke in his early twenties who records himself playing videogames while he does a running commentary. His level of humour is putting on silly accents, whooping and screaming and using the word 'rape' as if it's a punchline (though I gather that he does this less nowadays).

Here is an example of his 'work'. This is what a lot of kids today prefer to watch instead of traditional TV, or even playing games themselves. If you can make it through more than a couple of minutes of it you're a better man than me:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HwlhGOxsE0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HwlhGOxsE0)

Oh, and btw he is the most popular uploader of Youtube videos in the world, and he makes millions of pounds a year for doing this.


Seriously? Time for me to reply Oblivion and film me doing it. I need the money....

Don't forget to act like a twat while you're doing it!
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: Hawkmumbler 11 December, 2014, 10:39:28 AM
I used to like Pewdiepie, maybe it's an age thing, but I liked him before he started to do nothing but rape jokes and scream at the camera.
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: Theblazeuk 11 December, 2014, 10:51:24 AM
I enjoy watching Speedruns, glitch exploits, preview gameplay and some deathmatchs... but would always rather play a game myself. My housemate used to play loads of Batman and kept getting pummelled. I just wanted to snatch the controller off him and show him how its done...
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Banners 11 December, 2014, 11:35:28 AM
These spam emails from recruitment consultants I was registered with over 10 years ago, wishing me a Merry Christmas despite never having found me one interview, either back in the years when I was unemployed, nor in the intervening time.

It must be really annoying to get one of these if you're out of work, and relying on such inept leaches (my hatred for Recruitment Consultants would demand its own thread)...

Yes, it would be a Merry Christmas if you'd quit wasting time on this kind of bullshit to help find me a job, you parasitic fuckers!
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: radiator 11 December, 2014, 06:32:47 PM
I used to like Pewdiepie

Can you try to explain the appeal to me?

Not being sarcastic or pointed - I'm honestly interested to know what draws people to the videos and the guy himself. Help me understand!

If I was being generous I'd say that he has somewhat of a flair for editing, and he certainly has a lot of energy, but that's about all the positive things I can say. He seems like one of those 'wacky' guys at school or the office who make up for a lack of genuine wit or creativity with an abundance of confidence and just shouting the loudest. Watching one of his videos really is like nails down a blackboard for me, I find it that annoying. As I said, generally with these kind of cultural phenomena, even if it's something I don't like or obviously isn't aimed at me (the Twilight saga or Mrs Brown's Boys for example), I can see why it appeals to other people, which is why saying 'it's an age thing' doesn't really cut it. I really don't want to be a grumpy old geezer shaking my head at these youngsters and their rock and roll music.

From my perspective this just looks like one of those weird disposable faddy things like Crazy Frog that people inexplicably get caught up in, but it's been popular for years. I mean, in twenty years time are people really going to fondly reminisce about that amazing video where he played Far Cry 4 while screaming? Or am I missing the point? Is it intended to be utterly banal and disposable, like a modern version of mainstream radio DJs forced banter?
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: Richmond Clements 11 December, 2014, 06:43:36 PM
Can you try to explain the appeal to me?

Not being sarcastic or pointed - I'm honestly interested to know what draws people to the videos and the guy himself. Help me understand!

I fear the answer, and I know because I am on the same boat, is:

I really don't want to be a grumpy old geezer shaking my head at these youngsters and their rock and roll music.
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: Dandontdare 11 December, 2014, 07:23:13 PM
Just had a flashback to trying to explain to my Grandad why Monty Python is funny. It just did not make any sense to him.
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: Grugz 11 December, 2014, 09:17:35 PM
pringles... not the taste,theyre aces but the tube that's too small for my fat hand unless I tip crisps all over the sofa ...and when pringles come pre broken in the aforementioned tube
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: Hawkmumbler 12 December, 2014, 09:48:03 AM
Honestly, his first two years worth a videos are genuinly entertaining. He mainly used to play horror games such as Amneisia and Outlast and his reactions where what made the comedy, the fact he never seemed to immunise himself to the terror and many of his most unexpected reactions are still hilarious (his reaction to the horror motion comic from a frw years back, I forget it's name, still make's me howl with laughter).
Also, when he removes the character and becomes Felix tou realise that, even now, he's a really nice guy. Most if not all of his revenue from the channel goes to charity as well as all his sponser money plus his livefeed charity screenings. He really is a nice bloke, he's just taken his general content in a nasty direction by utelising crass, unfunny rape jokes at every opportunity.

Frankly, I still enjoy some other Let Playera because they are an amusing anecdote to my own short comings while gaming, the "rage harding" in games like Five Nights and Freddys and Amongst the Sleep is something I can really affiliate with. Look to people like Markiplier, Rooster Teeth or CepticEyeJack and they opperate in a similar manner to PDP but with less....unsettling humour.
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: Tiplodocus 12 December, 2014, 06:32:52 PM
THE UNTOLD STORY

Fuck me, if there's a more disheartening phrase to see or hear on an upcoming book, film or comic, I don't know what it is.*

Do you know what, there's a good reason Peter Pan is described as "the boy who never grew up", why The Grinch was simply described as having a heart that was two sizes too small. It's because the origin is not the point and it doesn't need a two hour movie to expand upon it.




*directed by Uwe Boll probably comes close.
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: radiator 12 December, 2014, 06:49:04 PM
THE UNTOLD STORY

Fuck me, if there's a more disheartening phrase to see or hear on an upcoming book, film or comic, I don't know what it is.*

Do you know what, there's a good reason Peter Pan is described as "the boy who never grew up", why The Grinch was simply described as having a heart that was two sizes too small. It's because the origin is not the point and it doesn't need a two hour movie to expand upon it.

Strongly agree - it's why most prequels are usually pretty crap - generally all they do is demystify something cool and make the universe of the particular film/TV show/comic book etc seem smaller and less interesting.

It's cool to see a character like Darth Vader and think 'What's his story?'. Less cool to actually get the answer.
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: JamesC 12 December, 2014, 07:04:20 PM
I think that as you get older you realise that there's a fine art to filtering your culture. I've realised that behind the scenes interviews with comic creators, rather than being an interesting insight into the creative process, are more often than not an opportunity for bitter old men to slag each other off.
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: Mister Pops 12 December, 2014, 10:59:09 PM
pringles... not the taste,theyre aces but the tube that's too small for my fat hand unless I tip crisps all over the sofa ...and when pringles come pre broken in the aforementioned tube

I'll say it this for pringles; their packaging has an excellent confection to empty space ratio. Most other crisps come in huge bags that are only about a third full.
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: Theblazeuk 14 December, 2014, 10:24:13 PM
Pewdiepie is the subject of South Park s18 e9 btw all. Obviously grinds many peoples gears and not just yours. All gets a bit meta needless to say.
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: radiator 15 December, 2014, 01:11:33 AM
"This Title is Not Available to Rent. Click here to BUY for £14.99."

Ffs. Firstly, why the hell can't I just rent it? Secondly, do you want my money or not?
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: Fungus 15 December, 2014, 01:35:19 AM
Pewdiepie is the subject of South Park s18 e9 btw all. Obviously grinds many peoples gears and not just yours. All gets a bit meta needless to say.

That required Googling on my part. Highly unlikely South Park has been running 20-ish years...???
Which prompted memories of a comic shop in Washington DC in about ‘98. Working out there, bored out of my skull,
but delighted to find a comic shop, asked if they had Watchmen (worth re-reading). "Oh, what's that?". WTF?
I bring this up because what they DID have were 300 South Park T-shirts. I almost bought "I WANT MY CHEESY
POOFS!". For cultural reasons I realised this was an item I could never wear at home. Few bucks saved.

+++ anecdote ends +++
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: Theblazeuk 15 December, 2014, 08:36:59 AM
What's even more unlikely is that it's still quite good though much different tints original premises (much more knowing of itself after such time). Still the stupidity of the world is a rich, rich vein. The racism of the South Park police hasn't become irrelevant for one. 'a black guy! Choke him! No shoot him! Shoot him and then choke him'
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: I, Cosh 15 December, 2014, 09:08:10 AM
"This Title is Not Available to Rent. Click here to BUY for £14.99."

Ffs. Firstly, why the hell can't I just rent it? Secondly, do you want my money or not?
I thought you could watch any episode you like on the South Park website (http://southpark.cc.com/full-episodes/s18e09-rehash#source=2b6c5ab4-d717-4e84-9143-918793a3b636:63a32034-1ea6-492d-b95b-9433e3f62f8d&position=2&sort=airdate).
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: Jim_Campbell 15 December, 2014, 09:54:05 AM
Currently grinding my gears? My own sense of fairness. I'm waiting on a hospital appointment for the surgical removal of the remnant of a broken tooth which is currently causing me excruciating pain. A friend of mine who is in a position to do so has offered to help me 'jump the queue', but I just can't do it. If I get my appointment early, someone else will, of necessity, have theirs later. I can't, in all conscience, claim that my need is any greater than the unknown person who would suffer delay in that scenario.

My conscience, however, is unable to provide pain relief. :-(

Cheers

Jim
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: Theblazeuk 15 December, 2014, 09:56:47 AM
Looking for a plug in the 'nominated for sainthood' :)

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: Jim_Campbell 15 December, 2014, 09:59:32 AM
Looking for a plug in the 'nominated for sainthood' :)

I'd rather have the money. Or prescription painkillers.

Cheers

Jim
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: Richmond Clements 15 December, 2014, 10:23:10 AM
Looking for a plug in the 'nominated for sainthood' :)

I'd rather have the money. Or prescription painkillers.

Cheers

Jim

Careful with those - they can turn a chap racist.
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: Jim_Campbell 15 December, 2014, 10:39:02 AM
Careful with those - they can turn a chap racist.

Up yours, you spud-munching bog-trotter!

…Ooh. I see what you mean.

Cheers

Jim
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: JamesC 15 December, 2014, 01:07:53 PM
"This Title is Not Available to Rent. Click here to BUY for £14.99."

Ffs. Firstly, why the hell can't I just rent it? Secondly, do you want my money or not?

It's the same with Lovefilm by post. X-Men - Days of Future Past has been available to buy for over a month but isn't available for rental until 9th January!
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: Link Prime 15 December, 2014, 01:15:36 PM
Currently grinding my gears? My own sense of fairness. I'm waiting on a hospital appointment for the surgical removal of the remnant of a broken tooth which is currently causing me excruciating pain. A friend of mine who is in a position to do so has offered to help me 'jump the queue', but I just can't do it. If I get my appointment early, someone else will, of necessity, have theirs later. I can't, in all conscience, claim that my need is any greater than the unknown person who would suffer delay in that scenario.

My conscience, however, is unable to provide pain relief. :-(

Cheers

Jim

Shite Jim, dunno if I could do that- nothing worse than continuous tooth / jaw pain (except maybe lower back muscles).
Just tell yourself that if you don't jump the queue, someone else will!
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: von Boom 15 December, 2014, 04:20:28 PM
Tech support drones that don't think for themselves and only give the scripted answers to questions you aren't even asking! Grrrr.
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: radiator 15 December, 2014, 04:59:35 PM
"This Title is Not Available to Rent. Click here to BUY for £14.99."

Ffs. Firstly, why the hell can't I just rent it? Secondly, do you want my money or not?
I thought you could watch any episode you like on the South Park website (http://southpark.cc.com/full-episodes/s18e09-rehash#source=2b6c5ab4-d717-4e84-9143-918793a3b636:63a32034-1ea6-492d-b95b-9433e3f62f8d&position=2&sort=airdate).

That was an entirely unrelated post. I wasn't talking about South Park, just movies in general. I frequently find that the film I wanted to watch via iTunes, VUDU or the PSN Store is unavailable to rent and only offered to 'buy' at full price for some totally arbitrary reason. Understand why they might do this with brand-new releases, but it's very annoying when it's a catalogue title. I'm not one of those self-righteous advocates for piracy, but man, you really shouldn't turn willing customers away.
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: The Legendary Shark 15 December, 2014, 10:54:55 PM
For some reason, the "Add Attachment" button has disappeared from the GMail service on my BBrry. The solution, apparently, is to switch from the Mobile version to the Desktop version - but the Desktop version button has also gone missing.
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Having a script to send, I signed up to mail.com and, thankfully, was able to attach and send my script. Mail.com then decided that my signing up and sending One email was "unusual activity" and blocked the account. Fffs.
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Jim - can your friend bump someone who is just going for a check-up? That might be an acceptable compromise. (Somebody might have to pass this suggestion on as I think I may be on Uncle Jim's Ignore List.)
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: Theblazeuk 16 December, 2014, 01:08:20 PM
Radiator - it's all rights and licensing. All totally arbitrary reasons dictated by the many mouths that want feeding from creation of a programme to its actual distribution. Throw in exclusivity, infrastructure costs, etc... it's a pain. Just entered this world of things and glad I don't have to get involved.

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: Spaceghost 16 December, 2014, 03:52:49 PM
People who try to inject some casual 'cool' into their remarks by saying or writing the word 'hell' at the start of a sentence, ie: "I love Return of the Jedi. Hell, I love it more than Empire".

There is no way you could ever say this out loud and not look and sound like an utterly cretinous bell-end, and writing it down is only 2 percent less embarrassing.

It's particularly jarring and cringe-worthy when it's used in fiction for character dialogue, as it's one of those things that's routinely used by lazy writers which people (I fucking hope) do not ever say.
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: JamesC 16 December, 2014, 03:57:58 PM
People who try to inject some casual 'cool' into their remarks by saying or writing the word 'hell' at the start of a sentence, ie: "I love Return of the Jedi. Hell, I love it more than Empire".

There is no way you could ever say this out loud and not look and sound like an utterly cretinous bell-end, and writing it down is only 2 percent less embarrassing.

It's particularly jarring and cringe-worthy when it's used in fiction for character dialogue, as it's one of those things that's routinely used by lazy writers which people (I fucking hope) do not ever say.

It works if you imagine Humphrey Bogart saying it.
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: Grugz 16 December, 2014, 04:13:11 PM
hell,yeah!
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: I, Cosh 16 December, 2014, 04:43:13 PM
Nearly as bad as people who pretend Empire Strikes Back is better than Star Wars.
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: Theblazeuk 16 December, 2014, 05:23:02 PM
It would work better if you were a cowboy. Or just American I imagine.

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: radiator 16 December, 2014, 05:28:03 PM
Radiator - it's all rights and licensing. All totally arbitrary reasons dictated by the many mouths that want feeding from creation of a programme to its actual distribution. Throw in exclusivity, infrastructure costs, etc... it's a pain. Just entered this world of things and glad I don't have to get involved.

Yeah, I figured it would be that. It's still totally moronic and self-defeating though.
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: Tiplodocus 16 December, 2014, 10:26:25 PM
Indeed.

Hell, why is something like Jaws still region protected?
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: SuperSurfer 17 December, 2014, 11:54:36 PM
Blockheads who just don't listen.
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: Dandontdare 18 December, 2014, 12:00:26 AM
Sorry, what?
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: SuperSurfer 18 December, 2014, 12:11:43 AM
Sorry, what?
I mean blockheaded, not blocked ears.
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: The Enigmatic Dr X 18 December, 2014, 12:18:33 AM
Blockheads who just don't listen.

I listen. I just then choose to ignore what you have asked me to do because I am a cretin.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: SuperSurfer 18 December, 2014, 12:23:10 AM
Blockheads who just don't listen.
I listen. I just then choose to ignore what you have asked me to do because I am a cretin.
At least you acknowledge listening then choose to ignore.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Modern Panther 24 December, 2014, 03:22:35 PM
Why was Ann Widecombe allowed to become  the nation's curmudgeonly, eccentric old auntie?
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Jim_Campbell 25 December, 2014, 08:13:11 AM
Fucking Christmas.

;-)

Cheers

Jim
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: The Legendary Shark 26 December, 2014, 09:05:26 AM
What really grinds my gears is being asked to be at a factory in Birmingham for a rush job at 6am on a Boxing Day morning and still sitting here waiting to be loaded at gone 9am. I could've had another 3 or 4 hours in bed, dagnabbit.
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: radiator 27 December, 2014, 11:30:57 AM
People who ask you to take your shoes off when you visit their house. As with the tightwad thing earlier, why go out of your way to make your friends and family feel uncomfortable? Is it really that important?
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: JamesC 27 December, 2014, 11:37:18 AM
I don't mind the shoes off thing. It's never been that way in my house but if people want to keep their carpets clean it's fine by me. If I'm being invited into someone's home and most likely being provided with food, drink and good company then taking off my shoes so that their carpets stay clean isn't too much to ask.
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: The Legendary Shark 27 December, 2014, 11:51:39 AM
Get your own back - turn up with dirty socks and clean shoes! :-D
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: Richmond Clements 27 December, 2014, 12:12:47 PM
People who ask you to take your shoes off when you visit their house. As with the tightwad thing earlier, why go out of your way to make your friends and family feel uncomfortable? Is it really that important?

The shoes off thing can be cultural though. Swedes do it, for example.
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: Old Tankie 27 December, 2014, 12:47:43 PM
Cultural, my arse!  I'm not Swedish and I wouldn't wear my outdoor shoes indoors, that's what slippers are for!  I think it's more of a "keep the dog crap and human sick off the carpet" thing!  I've got no problem taking my shoes off when I'm a guest in someone else's house.  It's the ones that come in our house and don't that I get the hump with!  Perhaps that's why we don't get many visitors!!  :)
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: Mattofthespurs 27 December, 2014, 02:23:56 PM
I don't mind taking my shoes off in the slightest. It their house and they are the ones that have to live there.
I don't make my guests take off their shoes but most of my guests offer to anyway, which is nice.
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: Hawkmumbler 27 December, 2014, 10:26:04 PM
Ditto. It's good manners.
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: M.I.K. 27 December, 2014, 11:11:04 PM
...and damn near essential in some rural areas if you don't wish to have everything slathered in mud and/or numerous varieties of excrement.
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: radiator 28 December, 2014, 09:54:02 AM
I don't mind the shoes off thing. It's never been that way in my house but if people want to keep their carpets clean it's fine by me. If I'm being invited into someone's home and most likely being provided with food, drink and good company then taking off my shoes so that their carpets stay clean isn't too much to ask.

Its not the taking off of the shoes itselft that bothers me, i would do it out of poiliteness unprompted, its when they ask you to do so as soon as you set foot inside. It comes across to me as fussy and a little pushy. If thats the impression you want to project onto guests thats up to you i suppose.

My sister does this - she's even put up a sad little sign about it - and she doesn't even have carpets in her house. Madness.
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: The Legendary Shark 28 December, 2014, 02:22:42 PM
Yeah, it's not taking your shoes off that bugs me, it's this inability to deal with dirt that some people have that wees me off. You know, the people who give you a drink and then go mad when you don't ask for a coaster, as if you've not just set a glass of whiskey on their polished coffee table but a lump of raw plutonium wrapped in shit.
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In those places I simply don't go in or don't visit at all.
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: Grugz 28 December, 2014, 03:55:01 PM
its like those houses that home small...no scratch that, any children that is spotless
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: Dandontdare 28 December, 2014, 04:17:54 PM
its like those houses that home small...no scratch that, any children that is spotless

Whist at a friend's house last Summer, another friend with a couple of children (about 6 & 8) came round. The hostess asked if the kids wanted to play in the garden whilst we chatted. Mum was horrified - turns out they are NEVER allowed to play in ANY garden, even their own, because "they might get dirty". I weep for those kids.
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: ZenArcade 28 December, 2014, 04:25:13 PM
What ever happened: The guest's wish is the hosts command. Z
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: Mister Pops 28 December, 2014, 09:51:27 PM
its like those houses that home small...no scratch that, any children that is spotless

Whist at a friend's house last Summer, another friend with a couple of children (about 6 & 8) came round. The hostess asked if the kids wanted to play in the garden whilst we chatted. Mum was horrified - turns out they are NEVER allowed to play in ANY garden, even their own, because "they might get dirty". I weep for those kids.

[Four Yorkshiremen] When  I were a kid we were lucky if we were allowed indoors at all! [/Four Yorkshiremen]
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: I, Cosh 29 December, 2014, 11:51:43 AM
I find the shoe thing a bit weird, never having been used to it in my own home, but it doesn't bother me.

What really grinds my gears is... people whining about how rubbish New Year is and it's really busy and you can't get in anywhere and you feel forced to do something and blah blah blah. I'm sure there's been the odd misfire but, by and large, I've always tremendously enjoyed Hogmanay no matter where I've ended up.
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: Spaceghost 29 December, 2014, 12:05:41 PM
People who ask you to take your shoes off when you visit their house. As with the tightwad thing earlier, why go out of your way to make your friends and family feel uncomfortable? Is it really that important?

It's shoes off in our house I'm afraid, and it's a purely cultural thing.

My wife is Japanese and, over there, walking into someone's house with your shoes on would be a jaw-dropping faux pas akin to wiping your bare arse on the curtains.

I'm always embarrassed to have to ask guests who don't cotton on themselves, but it has to be done.
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: Hawkmumbler 29 December, 2014, 12:09:09 PM
People who see me with my current partner, then I talk about a girlfriend I was with until last year. They they're like "Sp are you gay or not?".

It's called Bi-erasing and it pisses me the fuck off.
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: TordelBack 29 December, 2014, 12:32:08 PM
It's called Bi-erasing and it pisses me the fuck off.b

People are thick, this kind of thing is about reducing you down so you fit into the binary system of sexuality that is all they can cope with. Pity them, but don't let it annoy you.
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: Hawkmumbler 29 December, 2014, 01:23:36 PM
Even so, I feel like we live in a two camp society. Your ever straight (i.e. desirable) or bent (i.e. undesirable) and people like me who like to keep our fingers in both pies* are considered myths.  :|


*Poorly worded analogy.
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: Grugz 29 December, 2014, 06:28:08 PM
I feel like we live in a two camp society.




 a missed pun if ever there was one ,my mate was delriiously unhappy in the 25 years ive known him while he was married , he seems more chilled and happy now hes got a fella ...and he lives on the west coast or inverness  so I'm as jealous as hell.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: NapalmKev 21 January, 2015, 03:43:33 PM
"Leaving a window open is an Invitation for Thieves!"*

Pffft, like Fuck it is!

Cheers


*Whenever I hear this I like to respond with - "If someone steals from me is that an Invitation for me to Kick their Head in[/?"i]
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: Theblazeuk 21 January, 2015, 08:03:00 PM
Yes, yes it is.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: radiator 21 January, 2015, 08:09:36 PM
Friend requests from people I went to primary school with.

Yeah, let's be 'friends' - it'll be great! We can reminisce about that time we were briefly in proximity of one another a lifetime ago, and talk about how I can barely even half-remember who you actually are!
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: The Legendary Shark 21 January, 2015, 08:25:53 PM
That's no way to talk about your old teachers.
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: von Boom 21 January, 2015, 08:28:56 PM
What are friends?
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: ZenArcade 21 January, 2015, 11:15:00 PM
Friends are enemies you just happen to have met. You aren't in competition for resource with the stranger; you are in competition with your neighbour....you are both after the same thing. z
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: shaolin_monkey 23 January, 2015, 02:37:16 PM
What grinds my gears sometimes is how people can be so accidentally ironic without realising it. 

For example, there's a push at my workplace to raise money for the British Heart Foundation (slogan 'Fight for every heartbeat!') with a cake sale.  A FUCKING CAKE SALE!!!!

*facepalm*
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: Spaceghost 23 January, 2015, 02:43:45 PM
Friends are enemies you just happen to have met. You aren't in competition for resource with the stranger; you are in competition with your neighbour....you are both after the same thing. z

Conversely, enemies are people you've met who turned out to be cunts.
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: Jim_Campbell 23 January, 2015, 02:55:08 PM
Conversely, enemies are people you've met who turned out to be cunts.

On the plus side, there's always the chance of seeing them driven before you and hearing the lamentation of their women.

Cheers

Jim
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: Spaceghost 23 January, 2015, 02:57:53 PM
Conversely, enemies are people you've met who turned out to be cunts.

On the plus side, there's always the chance of seeing them driven before you and hearing the lamentation of their women.

Cheers

Jim

It's the only thing that gets me out of bed in the morning.
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: The Legendary Shark 23 January, 2015, 03:04:33 PM
An enemy is just a friend you haven't killed yet.



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: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Theblazeuk 23 January, 2015, 04:13:26 PM
What grinds my gears sometimes is how people can be so accidentally ironic without realising it. 

For example, there's a push at my workplace to raise money for the British Heart Foundation (slogan 'Fight for every heartbeat!') with a cake sale.  A FUCKING CAKE SALE!!!!

*facepalm*

Meh, I raised £400 for BHF with a cake sale.

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: The Legendary Shark 23 January, 2015, 04:26:41 PM
It's not that bizarre - I have a heart (somewhere) and I like cake. A worse idea would be selling Polonium-210 in aid of cancer research.
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: TordelBack 23 January, 2015, 04:29:31 PM
A worse idea would be selling Polonium-210 in aid of cancer research.

Hey, at least you'd be getting it off the premises. 
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: The Legendary Shark 23 January, 2015, 05:03:32 PM
Well I need to do something with it before my cock drops off.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: shaolin_monkey 23 January, 2015, 07:16:14 PM
What grinds my gears sometimes is how people can be so accidentally ironic without realising it. 

For example, there's a push at my workplace to raise money for the British Heart Foundation (slogan 'Fight for every heartbeat!') with a cake sale.  A FUCKING CAKE SALE!!!!

*facepalm*

Meh, I raised £400 for BHF with a cake sale.

Well, I hope the £400 cured more damage than the cakes caused mate. ;)
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: Theblazeuk 23 January, 2015, 09:48:10 PM
Yep. Not like I was in a ward for the obese after all. Chocolate and cakes were also easily available 1 minute walk from the building so... better BHF got the cash than Msr Tescos and Cadbury, no?
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: Dandontdare 23 January, 2015, 11:18:24 PM
http://metro.co.uk/2014/08/24/hospital-shop-serves-pie-dubbed-heart-attack-on-a-plate-4844259/ (http://metro.co.uk/2014/08/24/hospital-shop-serves-pie-dubbed-heart-attack-on-a-plate-4844259/)
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: TordelBack 24 January, 2015, 05:04:05 PM
Yum, never seen hospital food I fancied before!  Cardiology probably has sales targets to meet.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: radiator 17 February, 2015, 05:07:39 PM
I'm seeing a lot of Game of Thrones backlash at the moment, largely from 'book purists' who are 'outraged' that the TV show isn't adpating the books verbatim. I tried listening to a (apparently very well-regarded) Song of Ice and Fire podcast the other day and had to switch it off as it was just some gaggle of bitter losers dismissing and mocking the TV show in the snootiest tone imaginable.

I think people often lose objectivity about this kind of thing - do they really expect a film or TV show to literally translate a novel page to screen (and don't they realise how ludicrous that would be in reality)? The naiveté and sense of entitlement that goes along with this kind of mentality really grinds my gears.

While Game of Thrones isn't always 100% successful - I find the interpretation of certain characters and events a little lacklustre - all in all I think it's kind of a remarkable work of adaptation. How they translate these dense novels into propulsive, thematically-rich TV serial instalments, cleverly merging together various storylines and characters while maintaining the key story beats of the books, all the while making a show that is accessible to a broad audience - is an incredible achievement in my book. Doubly so that they can do so on what is a shoestring budget compared to the average Hollywood movie.
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: The Legendary Shark 17 February, 2015, 05:40:06 PM
I have a friend who thinks the same way about the recent Hobbit films. I asked him if he'd seen them and he didn't half go off on one. He switched the first film off half-way through, gave the DVD away (or sold it, knowing him) and swore never to watch the rest.
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"It's not The Hobbit," he said with venom. "It's Peter bloody Jackson's Hobbit!"
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"Well, yes," I said, "that's exactly what it is - Peter Jackson's adaptation. If you want Tolkein's Hobbit, read the book again."
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You'd have thought they'd made 'Carry on Hobbiting' or 'Confessions of a Hobbit' or something the way he went on. Madness.
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: TordelBack 17 February, 2015, 05:57:38 PM
Yup. At this point I'm fairly sure that it makes for a happier life understanding that different versions of that thing you love can exist, and that other people can like other versions, without it affecting your own enjoyment of the original one bit.  I'm tempted to broaden this observation to include more serious things, but I'll restrict myself to fanboys...

I have a friend who gets upset at the very existence of the Narnia films, regularly grinding his teeth about the opening bomber scene in TLtWatW and Susan's thing with Caspian.  Yes, many important points were missed and they're not terribly good films, but I read the books to the kids a while back and they don't seem to have changed at all (plus they were capable of enjoying both the books and the films, and seem to understand that they can be different without being wrong).  Notably he hasn't watched Voyage of the Dawn Treader, so we don't have to hear about that one.  An important point, that.
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: radiator 17 February, 2015, 06:02:35 PM
I have a friend who thinks the same way about the recent Hobbit films.

Hmmm. I think I agree with your friend there.  :lol:

In fairness I think Jackson's Lord of the Rings trilogy is a fantastic work of adaptation, but for me his Hobbit movies are so far removed and take far too many liberties with the source material - to the point one could almost argue that they aren't really The Hobbit any more as the narrative and tone is so different. I also frankly just don't think they're very good films in their own right, and that a tale as simple as The Hobbit doesn't really require very much actual adaptation for it to work on screen (in the way something like LotR or GoT do). I'm aware that people like them though so fair enough.

Maybe that makes me a hypocrite, and obviously to a certain extent it's subjective, but my beef was more about people who complain if adaptations are not strictly literal to the books, as in expecting filmmakers to literally use the novel as a shooting script and film everything as is. You hear that a lot about the Harry Potter movies, which I also think are great adaptations that imo should have gone even further in paring down the often convoluted, bloated source material.
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: Mister Pops 17 February, 2015, 06:09:43 PM
I'll never understand ASoFaI book purists. After the third book, it's not very good, verging on terrible. The events in books four and five could have been done in half a book, so little happens. They're full of dull descriptions of medieval food, clothes and livery which read more like dry lists than actual literature. Overall the plot is excellent but it just gets too meandering. Much like the LotR adaptation, I prefer the TV show. It's more streamlined.
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: Hawkmumbler 17 February, 2015, 06:17:19 PM
People who like 50 Shades of Grey and deliberatly misquote it to bolster their none opinion.
(https://31.media.tumblr.com/97d1cddc230129b5cbb6ab5dd0b524fe/tumblr_inline_n1fgty9pPl1snyivh.gif)
(https://31.media.tumblr.com/eda2d6faed66f3f082c20b0bd77ed968/tumblr_inline_n1fguoTxRl1snyivh.gif)
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: von Boom 17 February, 2015, 08:22:42 PM
I'll never understand ASoFaI book purists. After the third book, it's not very good, verging on terrible. The events in books four and five could have been done in half a book, so little happens. They're full of dull descriptions of medieval food, clothes and livery which read more like dry lists than actual literature. Overall the plot is excellent but it just gets too meandering. Much like the LotR adaptation, I prefer the TV show. It's more streamlined.

I gave up on the latest book, A Dance with Dragons. Reads with all the interest of a manual of remedial wallpapering instruction. Maybe are complaining because the TV programme (which I've not seen any of) doesn't stop for in depth cookery instruction.
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: Theblazeuk 18 February, 2015, 10:15:36 AM
While Game of Thrones isn't always 100% successful - I find the interpretation of certain characters and events a little lacklustre - all in all I think it's kind of a remarkable work of adaptation. How they translate these dense novels into propulsive, thematically-rich TV serial instalments, cleverly merging together various storylines and characters while maintaining the key story beats of the books, all the while making a show that is accessible to a broad audience - is an incredible achievement in my book. Doubly so that they can do so on what is a shoestring budget compared to the average Hollywood movie.

Fully agree and think George RR Martin could learn a few things about narrative bloody focus from the TV folk.

Only things I don't think the TV show pulls off is the wealth of supporting characters and the wider state of the realm, the little stories and bits that you pick up from background information. Beric Dondarrion for example is one of my favourite characters but I don't think many people got the horror/magic of what's happened to him. Likewise no one can really remember who the Mountain is.
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: Satanist 18 February, 2015, 12:52:13 PM
People who like 50 Shades of Grey and deliberatly misquote it to bolster their none opinion.
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(https://31.media.tumblr.com/eda2d6faed66f3f082c20b0bd77ed968/tumblr_inline_n1fguoTxRl1snyivh.gif)

Is that pewdiepie? Cause he gets right on my fucking tits!
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: TordelBack 18 February, 2015, 01:32:42 PM
Whereas I really enjoy the meanderings of the novels, and the view from inside the various characters' heads - especially the insane ones, but struggle to stick with the TV series, which often seems very... colourless. It's an almost unbelievable achievement, bringing such an expansive story to the screen on a TV budget, and I don't mind the changes at all, but I seldom feel that the differences between regions and Houses are strong enough, or that the big settings like Harrenhall, Mereen or Winterfell come across as interesting. The TV sets it's sights on its core characters, and that's fine, but it's the richness of the setting and its more minor players that I find keeps my attention.

So, boring observation, horses for courses.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Link Prime 18 February, 2015, 02:18:18 PM
People who like 50 Shades of Grey and deliberatly misquote it to bolster their none opinion.
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(https://31.media.tumblr.com/eda2d6faed66f3f082c20b0bd77ed968/tumblr_inline_n1fguoTxRl1snyivh.gif)

Is that pewdiepie? Cause he gets right on my fucking tits!

Ha, I thought that was a GIF Hawkmonger made staring himself!
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Grugz 18 February, 2015, 03:55:48 PM
I found the books very hard going especially after the war of the kings ,too many characters and secondary folks I kept forgetting who was who, even the" helpful" lists at the back of the houses are bloody well far to strung out
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: Hawkmumbler 18 February, 2015, 04:17:43 PM
People who like 50 Shades of Grey and deliberatly misquote it to bolster their none opinion.
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(https://31.media.tumblr.com/eda2d6faed66f3f082c20b0bd77ed968/tumblr_inline_n1fguoTxRl1snyivh.gif)

Is that pewdiepie? Cause he gets right on my fucking tits!
Honestly, having met him in person and still following him on Twitter, even if you don't get his brand of humor he's still a grade A guy. Really nice chap.
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: Satanist 18 February, 2015, 04:58:29 PM
If by brand of humour you mean screaming like a dog that caught its dick on barbed wire all the time then no I dont get him at all. He may be lovely in person but in my house he's still a complete and utter bellend!

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: Charlie boy 18 February, 2015, 05:11:19 PM
If by brand of humour you mean screaming like a dog that caught its dick on barbed wire all the time then no I dont get him at all. He may be lovely in person but in my house he's still a complete and utter bellend!
Don't know who he is but it sounds like the guy really grinds your gears
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: Mattofthespurs 18 February, 2015, 05:11:41 PM
but in my house he's still a complete and utter bellend!

I'm one of those in my own house. Not self branded neither.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: radiator 18 February, 2015, 08:49:51 PM
Only things I don't think the TV show pulls off is the wealth of supporting characters and the wider state of the realm, the little stories and bits that you pick up from background information. Beric Dondarrion for example is one of my favourite characters but I don't think many people got the horror/magic of what's happened to him. Likewise no one can really remember who the Mountain is.

Whereas I really enjoy the meanderings of the novels, and the view from inside the various characters' heads - especially the insane ones, but struggle to stick with the TV series, which often seems very... colourless. It's an almost unbelievable achievement, bringing such an expansive story to the screen on a TV budget, and I don't mind the changes at all, but I seldom feel that the differences between regions and Houses are strong enough, or that the big settings like Harrenhall, Mereen or Winterfell come across as interesting. The TV sets it's sights on its core characters, and that's fine, but it's the richness of the setting and its more minor players that I find keeps my attention.

So, boring observation, horses for courses.

I'd agree with all these points. Westeros certainly feels much smaller in the show, and that's for a very good reason, as the TV show itself is perpetually on the brink of collapsing under the weight of so many characters (it's also why the TV show is even more laissez faire in it's dispatching of them than the books*). They still struggle with Stannis for example. But narrowing the focus to the core characters and their emotional lives is utterly essential for it to work in the medium of a TV drama. I don't get why people don't understand that.

I actually enjoyed the more recent novels, though Feast was admittedly a bit of a slog at times. I actually found Theon's chapters in Dance some of the most effective and gripping in the entire series. I'd dispute that Martin needs any help with his storytelling (other than perhaps a little editing). Most of the storytelling gaffes in the TV show that get flak come about as a direct result of the aforementioned changes being made.

*I also think it's grossly unfair that people dismiss Martin's unsentimentally with killing off popular characters as 'trolling'. It never feels cheap when he does it, and always seems inevitable and logical in retrospect. He's a master storyteller.

There's a discussion about pewdiepie a few pages back that I started. Personally I think he's a talentless goon. Try to tell myself it's a generational thing, but ultimately decided it's a taste thing - millions of people like Mrs Brown's Boys, and that doesn't make it good comedy.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Theblazeuk 19 February, 2015, 10:33:13 AM
Not to turn this into the Game of Thrones discussion, but he does need an editor. Someone to say "Remember the White Walkers? Why don't you try writing something about them rather than introducing another 10 characters? No George, that's ENOUGH about the ironborn's cousin's uncle. Leave it out."

Stephen King is also someone who needs an editor, badly. His last few books have way too much sprawl, not enough focus.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Richmond Clements 19 February, 2015, 10:39:04 AM
Stephen King is also someone who needs an editor, badly. His last few books have way too much sprawl, not enough focus

I'm struggling through Revival at the moment, and as a huge King fan, I'm wondering what the point of this meandering book is. But I thought Mr Mercedes was superb, tight storytelling.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: TordelBack 19 February, 2015, 11:57:33 AM
meandering book is. But I thought Mr Mercedes was superb, tight storytelling.

That's good to hear - I have that one lined up.  Again though, I do like to gorge on a good sprawling book sometimes, if the writing itself is easy, and while King can sometimes fluff the ending, his getting there is always good.  Something like 11-22-63 was far more interesting for its endless subplots of putting on school revues in '50s smalltown America and strange crossovers with the Derry books than for its rather weak reveal.  His descriptions of milkshakes gave Stephenson's legendary Cap'n Crunch chapter a run for its money.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Theblazeuk 19 February, 2015, 12:43:12 PM
The endless part got me. Subplots are fine but by god wrap them up at some point.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: radiator 20 February, 2015, 09:43:46 PM
Every single time I have a break from work and am going away somewhere (as is the case this weekend) I immediately, like clockwork, come down with a cold.

Every. Single. Fucking. Time!!!!!!!!

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: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Jim_Campbell 20 February, 2015, 09:50:32 PM
…When a book you really enjoyed working on gets a (deservedly) great review and the reviewer systematically goes through enthusing about every element of the comic, and what each contributor has brought to it. Except the letterer. Who isn't even listed in the fucking credits.

Bah.

Jim
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: TordelBack 20 February, 2015, 10:05:10 PM
...the letterer. Who isn't even listed in the fucking credits.

But sure isn't that all done by computers these days anyway? Presumably the writer types up the dialogue and the artist just cuts and pastes it into the little pictures. Here's a handy tip: ctrl-c to copy, ctrl-v to paste, and bingo! You're all lettered!




I actually feel terrible now.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Jim_Campbell 20 February, 2015, 10:09:54 PM
But sure isn't that all done by computers these days anyway?

Yes. Yes, it is.

Cheers

Jim
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: ZenArcade 20 February, 2015, 10:18:57 PM
Sorry to hear that Radiator, sounds psychosomatic. Bummer. Z
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: radiator 20 February, 2015, 10:52:54 PM
I definitely think there's a biological reason for it - I spend intense periods working where I'm literally too busy to get ill, then as soon as I have time off and relax, my immune system does too and all of a sudden I have a cold. It's bloody annoying and really takes a lot of the fun out of my scarce holidays. Im sure it's not just me this happens to?
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: The Legendary Shark 20 February, 2015, 11:13:17 PM
Jim and I don't see eye to eye on lots of things but on this I'm with him 100%. Bad lettering can kill a story stone dead and good lettering is a joy.
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When one reads a good novel the words are practically invisible - only standing out when they don't work or are clumsy (my pet-hates are things like "had had" and "that that" - awful, awful writing). When the writing works it just goes into your head virtually unnoticed.
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I should therefore take the fact that you weren't mentioned as a great complement - you have done your job to perfection and made the lettering 'invisible.'
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That said, it still sucks not to get a mention.
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: JamesC 21 February, 2015, 08:32:29 AM
I definitely think there's a biological reason for it - I spend intense periods working where I'm literally too busy to get ill, then as soon as I have time off and relax, my immune system does too and all of a sudden I have a cold. It's bloody annoying and really takes a lot of the fun out of my scarce holidays. Im sure it's not just me this happens to?

This is a pretty well known phenomena and is a sign that you're working too hard or have too much stress.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Hawkmumbler 21 February, 2015, 10:21:19 AM
I've read enough bad manga scanlation to appreciate a good letterer. The less Duwangs their are in the world the better.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Hawkmumbler 23 February, 2015, 11:57:54 PM
Katie Hopkins. She grinds me gears. Bitter faced bitch.

And, though she has since shuffled off the mortal coil, Joan Rivers pissed me off also.
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: Mister Pops 24 February, 2015, 12:29:42 AM
Katie Hopkins. She grinds me gears. Bitter faced bitch.

She is the embodiment of click-bait. I'm very good at avoiding Online Sensationalist Bullshit, but That Woman keeps worming her way into my news feeds. Don't feed the trolls.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: radiator 24 February, 2015, 10:46:21 PM
Someone just shared someone else's photo of a close-up picture of a baby breastfeeding on facebook, along with a painfully self-righteous comment about how facebook took it down for being 'indecent', and that we should all share it as some kind of protest.

Now, I can sort of see what they're trying to say, but I think there's a fundamental misunderstanding here. I don't think breastfeeding is indecent or offensive - I wouldn't bat an eyelid if I saw a woman doing it in public - but that doesn't mean I want to see close-up pictures of it on my timeline.

Bugs the hell out of me when people just instinctively share these things to show everyone else how liberal and open-minded they are without stopping to actually think it through. Just because something isn't indecent doesn't mean that it's something people want to see, or should be shared.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Tiplodocus 25 February, 2015, 08:46:42 AM
Plus, I'll bet FACEBOOK never really took it down.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: radiator 25 February, 2015, 04:19:21 PM
Ha, yes you're probably right.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: radiator 27 February, 2015, 12:54:25 AM
Websites that have that obnoxious adware that somehow hijack your phone and forcibly redirect you to the App Store page of some shitty Candy Crush type game. Aaaargh!!!
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Mister Pops 27 February, 2015, 03:35:01 AM
And another thing, instead of pop-up ads there's pop-up prompts to Like on Facebook and Follow on Twitter.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Hawkmumbler 03 March, 2015, 05:22:31 PM
Anime News Network. It's become the embodiment of everything I hate about the modern manga/anime community. Weabos fawning over the creepy side of the industry that is crippling it's mainstream appeal and wildly yelling at anyone who tries to instil a bit of social morality. The mods are as bad as anyone else.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: ZenArcade 03 March, 2015, 07:17:46 PM
Not a magna/anime follower, give me some context Hawk? Z
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: Hawkmumbler 03 March, 2015, 07:24:36 PM
Just all round skeevyness and....uuurggh.
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: ZenArcade 03 March, 2015, 07:26:32 PM
Yep, think I'll avoid. Z
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Hawkmumbler 03 March, 2015, 07:29:12 PM
That's why I genuinely prefer to stick to niche forums as they tend to weed out the cellar dwellers and trolls.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: ZenArcade 03 March, 2015, 07:31:20 PM
Heh, they haven't caught me yet....no seriously, this is the only forum I'm on and feel comfortable with the 'vibe' here. Z
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: The Legendary Shark 03 March, 2015, 07:48:14 PM
What really grinds my gears (today) is when people leave two sheets of tissue on the bog roll but don't change it. Rather, they just start one of the fresh rolls on the windowsill instead. I mean, come on, it takes six seconds if you take it slow. Even worse is leaving the roll completely empty and not changing it - but at least that's more honest. But leaving two sheets on the roll is both lazy and dishonest - "I didn't finish the roll so I don't have to change it." You tw*t. Change the f*cking roll! It takes six seconds! Six! If you don't rush! I timed it - I know! What the Hell are you going to do with those saved six seconds? Write down everything you've ever learned? Scratch yourself? Have sex?
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Change the empty f*cking roll, you dick!
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: SuperSurfer 03 March, 2015, 07:48:45 PM
Bikes on trains. Either get the train to work or ride your bike to work. Not both. Especially in rush hour.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Hawkmumbler 03 March, 2015, 07:52:08 PM
Sorry SS but I can't agree with that. Say a person lives in Bolton and works in Salford quays. They can't afford to move closer to work and they can't afford to pay for a tram to their work place on top of the train journey. They need to get to work sharpish so the best option is to, have a bike?

Considering their are allotted spaces for bike users by the doors I don't see the issue.
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: SuperSurfer 03 March, 2015, 08:04:06 PM
I get that HM. I actually thought only fold up bikes were allowed on trains. While it might be cheaper and more convenient for the cyclist it is often an inconvenience for other passengers on already crowded trains. Recently a cyclist scraped my shin with his bike peddle. One guy often is on the same train as me with one of those lowrider style bicycles. It takes up the entire width of the carriage.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: The Legendary Shark 03 March, 2015, 08:05:39 PM
Don't get me started on cyclists, either. I'm not talking about those maniacs just going to work or down the shops - I'm talking about those loopy Tour de Huddersfield wannabees all spilling out of their lycra romper-suits and silly helmets who go out in big gangs and ride along in a ten mile long knot with no gaps along winding country roads with no passing places, all puffing and panting and red-faced and sucking fluids out of an on-bike flask so that they stop pedalling and wander all over the place like a drunk on a bar stool at chucking out time before sticking their arses in the air and pedalling like buggery for hours on end even though 26mph is NOT FAST and not one of them ever looks like they're enjoying themselves.
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And... breathe...
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: Fungus 03 March, 2015, 08:09:19 PM
Plus they grind their own gears.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Hawkmumbler 03 March, 2015, 08:19:11 PM
I can't comment on how cycelists may look.....hell, i'm a diver, I look like a right Frankensteins Monster in my get up! Hoses and bubbles everywhere.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: The Legendary Shark 03 March, 2015, 08:21:59 PM
Well quite - but at least you have the good sense to look stupid underwater, where nobody can see you... :-D
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Hawkmumbler 03 March, 2015, 08:27:22 PM
Well here's me in my kit (though I have new regs and a Wing BCD now). I wasn't expecting to get my picture taken so thats why I look so horrified.
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: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Grugz 03 March, 2015, 08:28:55 PM
What really grinds my gears (today) is when people leave two sheets of tissue on the bog roll but don't change it. Rather, they just start one of the fresh rolls on the windowsill instead. I mean, come on, it takes six seconds if you take it slow. Even worse is leaving the roll completely empty and not changing it - but at least that's more honest. But leaving two sheets on the roll is both lazy and dishonest - "I didn't finish the roll so I don't have to change it." You tw*t. Change the f*cking roll! It takes six seconds! Six! If you don't rush! I timed it - I know! What the Hell are you going to do with those saved six seconds? Write down everything you've ever learned? Scratch yourself? Have sex?
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Change the empty f*cking roll, you dick!

you're being a bit harsh on the dog never mind he can actually use the facilities and wipes his bum but I'm surprised you got a loo on the boat I always though you stick your bum over the side ;)
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: radiator 03 March, 2015, 09:10:22 PM
Don't get me started on cyclists, either. I'm not talking about those maniacs just going to work or down the shops - I'm talking about those loopy Tour de Huddersfield wannabees all spilling out of their lycra romper-suits and silly helmets who go out in big gangs and ride along in a ten mile long knot with no gaps along winding country roads with no passing places, all puffing and panting and red-faced and sucking fluids out of an on-bike flask so that they stop pedalling and wander all over the place like a drunk on a bar stool at chucking out time before sticking their arses in the air and pedalling like buggery for hours on end even though 26mph is NOT FAST and not one of them ever looks like they're enjoying themselves.
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And... breathe...

I don't have much of an issue with cyclists per se and think they should be encouraged, but I do admit to thinking they look bloody ridiculous when they overdo it a bit and dress head-to toe in skin-tight lycra, doubly so when they are inexplicably covered in 'sponsor' logos as if they're competing in the Tour De France or something.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: TordelBack 03 March, 2015, 09:18:05 PM
I have no real problem with cyclists either, having been one out of necessity for most of my life.  However, the particular breed of leisure cyclist who need to cycle two or three abreast on narrow country roads while yakking away does my head in - if you want to have a nice chat while you go about your choice of outdoor pursuit, please pick a vehicle which has the right number of seats.
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: Dandontdare 03 March, 2015, 10:43:05 PM
ah country cyclists are a breeze - try dealing with cyclists in  a city that has spent a fortune putting cycle paths alongside every road but who still insist on riding on the pavement and giving you a hard time if you don't get out of the way

Are you over 12? If yes, get on the fucking road with the rest of the wheeled traffic.

Oh, and red traffic lights apply to you twats too - you may be able to get through the junction without being hit by a car, but pedestrians use that gap to CROSS the road and don't want to be hit by your lycra-clad twattishness..
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: I, Cosh 03 March, 2015, 11:27:33 PM
And what is it with football fans? Why do they all have to wear the same top as Messi when they could get a plain Umbro one for a fifth of the price, eh?
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: JayzusB.Christ 04 March, 2015, 07:37:31 AM
ah country cyclists are a breeze - try dealing with cyclists in  a city that has spent a fortune putting cycle paths alongside every road but who still insist on riding on the pavement and giving you a hard time if you don't get out of the way

Are you over 12? If yes, get on the fucking road with the rest of the wheeled traffic.

Oh, and red traffic lights apply to you twats too - you may be able to get through the junction without being hit by a car, but pedestrians use that gap to CROSS the road and don't want to be hit by your lycra-clad twattishness..

This.  Cycling should indeed be encouraged but I'm sick of these feckers.  I try to make a point of shouting abuse at the red-light-breaking cunts whenever they do it.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Hawkmumbler 04 March, 2015, 09:04:11 AM
People who complain about new wave punks and hipsters. As a culture it's no more ridiculous than anything the previous generation would have been like. Or the generation before them.
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: Theblazeuk 04 March, 2015, 01:21:33 PM
I don't like the lycra lot. But they don't ride on the pavements. I don't like going through red lights at high speed but I don't think following them is actually the safest thing.

I hate the lycra SPEED crowd v.muchly too but honestly, my closest calls on a bike have been waiting patiently at a red light. A lorry turned left across me as I was trying to go straight on and had to duck under the spikey bits on the back. A (admittedly unrepresentative idiot) on his mobile phone clipped my back wheel as I went forward and he tried to turn left. And as I took up the turning point in the middle of a cross-junction to turn right, some dizzy bint decided to pull up right next to my left before veering sharply to the right as soon as a gap was clear, nearly crushing me under her back wheels. Oh, and just last week the cyclist waiting in traffic with me was clocked in the head by a lorry door as the passenger decided to just open up and get out whilst the traffic was stopped. Edge of the door right into his temple, luckily he was lycra-clad and helmeted up.

The biggest demonstration of any of the problems would be to get off the armchair of your car and try using any of said cycle routes to get around. Soft, what light shines from yonder path? A bloody lampost. No wait, it's a bus stop embarking/disembarking point. No, no, it's just a taxi/van/police car/normal moron in a car parked on what's only a single yellow line. Oh and this lane takes me from the straight, wide road to the pavement - nice - wait, now I'm back again. Wouldn't it have been safer just to let me go straight on?! Never mind, planner must have thought this through. And of course the pedestrians are always ever gracious about my sudden, road sign indicated and occasionally mandatorily SPELLED OUT BY CONSTRUCTION SIGNS diversion on to the 10 ft of their pavement dedicated as a 'bike lane'.

Cycle lanes on roads are also not actually legally restricted from being parked in except the rare 'unbroken' lines, which are only ever really around places where cars cant park anyway. Under bridges etc. Hence they are useless. That is they are even more useless than the other situation, where they run for 10 meters up a pavement before immediately dumping you into a busy junction three lanes away from where you need to be.

And those wonderful red lights! Grand things. If only there was this reserved space where I could be on my bike so that I could make a turn or get going before tonnes of metal steamrolled over me. If only said metal boxes didn't always park right in there. If only I could get to them and make it across the righthand lanes without having to cross the deathtrap of others.


And of course, everyone is very very eager to get the whole 10 metres in front of me on Hammersmith bridge so they can hit the traffic lights and grind to a halt that much faster.

Try dealing with cycle lanes in a city that spent a fortune putting them in without seeing how they'd actually work. Then try cycling anywhere where public infrastructure is halfway planned, say, Berlin, Munich, Bruges or Amsterdam.

I'm not a fan of the lycra speed brigade either or the four-a-breast approach but nothing makes me madder than trying to use the cycle lanes in our great country. There is a bit right near me that sees you use 4 sets of traffic lights to cross one road several times to stay on 'the bike path', with big DISMOUNT signs at every step. In all honesty, the quickest way to an accident is to use the bike lane. It's where the traffic squeezes into when it wants to peek at the block up the road, it's where the moron pedestrian steps into to avoid foot traffic, it's where the biggest potholes are, it's the closest thing to a parking spot in the vast majority of streets... it's not the place to be.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: JamesC 04 March, 2015, 01:43:42 PM
All excellent reasons why bicycles should be banned from the public highway Blaze  :D
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: TordelBack 04 March, 2015, 02:43:33 PM
Grown adults who say 'we need to sweat the asset' in public.
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: Fungus 04 March, 2015, 03:01:27 PM
All excellent reasons why bicycles should be banned from the public highway Blaze  :D

I applaud cyclists, good on you. But you couldn't pay me enough to do it myself.
Lorry passenger door to the side of the head ?!
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Jim_Campbell 04 March, 2015, 03:02:48 PM
Scotsmen who give you every reason to expect that they're going to die and then get better and go down the pie shop.

The bastards.

Not referring to anyone specific. Certainly not anyone on on this forum. Nosiree…

Cheers

Jim
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: ZenArcade 04 March, 2015, 03:50:27 PM
You're pushing all the right Buttons however Jim
My bug bear is cyclists on the pavement. I fucking hate and despise the thoughtless dangerous pricks.
New wave punks and hipsters as just pretty inoffensive young people. Z
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: Richmond Clements 04 March, 2015, 03:56:43 PM
People who complain about new wave punks and hipsters. As a culture it's no more ridiculous than anything the previous generation would have been like. Or the generation before them.

Ahhh, the innocence of youth..!
Just wait until you're in your mid-forties..!
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: Satanist 04 March, 2015, 04:06:05 PM
My only problem with hipsters is that they dress and act like they have no money then buy a bowl of cereal for a fiver. Not owning a tv isnt something to brag about. sort your fucking odd socks out while your at it. and cover up that sleeve tat and get a fuckin shave when your in the office. and no thats not a camper van its a fuckin transit van with a matress in it Oh I fuckin hate that cunt erm I mean them.
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: ZenArcade 04 March, 2015, 04:09:26 PM
Say it like it is Satanist. Z  :lol:
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: M.I.K. 04 March, 2015, 04:13:50 PM
People who complain about new wave punks and hipsters. As a culture it's no more ridiculous than anything the previous generation would have been like. Or the generation before them.

The majority of people I see complaining about them belong to the same generation as them.

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: ZenArcade 04 March, 2015, 04:17:44 PM
Ach sure they aren't doing any harm. Z
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: TordelBack 04 March, 2015, 05:01:00 PM
Ach sure they aren't doing any harm. Z

They stole our beards. This here face fungus is a symbol of my individuality. I've had a beard for over 20 years, it was My Thing, and now evey snot nosed punk looks like Grizzly Adams. Why I oughta.
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: Old Tankie 04 March, 2015, 05:16:39 PM
What is a hipster, please?  I know what a punk is, but a hipster!?
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: Charlie boy 04 March, 2015, 05:19:07 PM
Exactly! Bloody hipsters! Beard and hair gel stealing (tho I never went for a somewhat Mark Kermode rockabilly inspired-look style like most of the "cool kids" are now going for, I did have gel to keep my otherwise bad hair in some kind of neat appearance despite a messy beard) annoyances. And as previously pointed out, it all seems very designer scruff. You're paying out the nose for jeans with rips in them! Buy jeans without rips in them, they could last twice as long! If you want a shirt that looks second hand, just buy a second hand shirt! Topman saw those lot coming when they were dressing the mannequins, that's for sure.
Not sure what new wave punk is. I am thankful however that whichever PR man came up with the term to try and convince people they can join a genuinely 'alternative' movement didn't spell it nu-wave punk or something. Although maybe it's because nu is something the old farts liked and noo wouldn't catch on.
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: TordelBack 04 March, 2015, 05:24:17 PM
What is a hipster, please?  I know what a punk is, but a hipster!?

I think not knowing might make you one, Tankie!

It's just a stupid generation label for people who mix grungy 90s-style clobber with beards, pompadour hairdos and a commercialised rejection of commercialism, and mistake the combo for enlightened individualism. Young people, basically. Nothing to see here.
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: Rog69 04 March, 2015, 05:26:53 PM
I've come around on hipsters. It takes a lot of guts to all wear the same hat.
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: Old Tankie 04 March, 2015, 05:29:41 PM
Ah! Thanks TB, now I know!!  I'll give 'em a wide berth.
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: radiator 04 March, 2015, 05:33:40 PM
People who complain about new wave punks and hipsters. As a culture it's no more ridiculous than anything the previous generation would have been like. Or the generation before them.

Couldn't agree more.

While it's good to be able to have a sense of humour about yourself - and I've definitely rolled my eyes and had a little chuckle at one or two Shoreditch twonks sporting a full-on twirly Salvador Dali moustaches and oversized specs in my time, the level of venom that regularly gets ranted about Hipsters in general seems totally unwarranted. The really nasty scorn says a lot more about those saying it than their targets if you ask me.

I think when people bemoan 'Hipsters' they're really talking about a very small subset of obnoxious Nathan Barley types, and subcultures always have a fringe that take things too far. For all the accusations of snobbery and elitism, in my experience on the whole they tend to be far more open-minded and easygoing than many other social groups I could mention.

Full disclosure - I hold my hand up to ticking more than a few Hipster boxes (and certainly have friends who are full-blown Hipster), and I live in Portland which is a Hipster mecca  - a land of bicycles, beards, artisan bakeries and craft breweries - and you know what? I bloody love it.

buy a bowl of cereal for a fiver

As someone pointed out on Twitter, anyone who has ever bought a Dominos pizza (which has even more of a crazy markup) is just as much of a chump.
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: TordelBack 04 March, 2015, 05:40:23 PM
I live in Portland

I was going to say.  I think you've been compromised, Radiator.

Nah, I've nothing against Hipsters really* - and the female of the species is apparently the Manic Pixie Dreamgirl, so that's okay. 


*Apart from making me want to shave.
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: Hawkmumbler 04 March, 2015, 05:43:52 PM
People who say the female of the species. Sorry, that really gets on me nerves Tordels.   ::)
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: ZenArcade 04 March, 2015, 05:59:49 PM
You're scraping the bottom of the annoyed tub if that gets on your wick Hawk my boy. Z
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: M.I.K. 04 March, 2015, 06:04:21 PM
He must really hate David Attenborough.
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: TordelBack 04 March, 2015, 06:25:16 PM
He must really hate David Attenborough.

And Space.
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: JamesC 04 March, 2015, 06:42:38 PM
I don't like that Space song because they say 'more deadlier'.


I thought about growing a beard because I wanted to look like the Action Man mountaineer. When I realised I'd never look that cool I gave up.
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: JamesC 04 March, 2015, 06:48:30 PM
(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e129/jimmyalpha2008/image.jpg1.jpg)

Hipster or cool motherfucker?
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: von Boom 04 March, 2015, 06:58:20 PM
As is - cool mutherfucker. Put a floppy beany thingy hat on him - hipster.
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: Professor Bear 04 March, 2015, 07:39:44 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_ZTrXAxZ-g

My younger relatives and their mates hate hipsters based upon the perfectly sound and multi-generational rationale that if you are visibly trying to be cool you never will be, though I am on the fence about hating them because they're so ubiquitous these days that in my eyes they're  really just the modern version of a chav.
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: Hawkmumbler 04 March, 2015, 07:48:33 PM
Please remember in mind most people here are of the goth type era and i'm sure their where plenty of people (Jim?) must have been ridiculed by the previous generation for trying to hard to be "cool". Each generation has it's thing.
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: ZenArcade 04 March, 2015, 08:08:04 PM
So Bear we had CHAV (Council House And Violent) now we have TFAN (Trust Fund And Nice)? Z
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: TordelBack 04 March, 2015, 08:49:45 PM
I thought about growing a beard because I wanted to look like the Action Man mountaineer.

Thought never occured to me >whistles<   :-[.

Here, is that not the arctic explorer anyway? Didn't the mountaineer have a cool orange hard hat?  See, I know cool when I see it.
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: I, Cosh 04 March, 2015, 11:39:26 PM
It really grinds my gears when a load of people have been talking a lot of gear-grinding shit about cycling and cyclists and I really want to write a big long rant but when I finally sit down I feel the rage has dissipated and I can't be bothered. That gets my goat every time.

Highlights: bits about red lights and pavements are correct, everything else is nonsense; I always forget that other people are scared to ride on British roads; I've been a fat guy in lycra since I was fifteen so you can all go and fuck yourselves; anyone who drives a motor vehicle more than once every six months is a homicidal maniac at best.

Please remember in mind most people here are of the goth type era and i'm sure their where plenty of people (Jim?) must have been ridiculed by the previous generation for trying to hard to be "cool". Each generation has it's thing.
It's really interesting the little nuances that get lost between generations. Goths were never cool (I was almost one but didn't have the balls) and the biggest problem with the idea of "hipster" as anything other than a pejorative term for "young men with (or possibly without) silly beards" is that it's an amorphous, external label rather than a self-identifying emblem.
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: Professor Bear 05 March, 2015, 12:21:53 AM
It really grinds my gears when a load of people have been talking a lot of gear-grinding shit about cycling and cyclists and I really want to write a big long rant but when I finally sit down I feel the rage has dissipated and I can't be bothered. That gets my goat every time.

My personal theory is that cyclists seem to get more stick only because they're a combination of the two things motorists hate most: pedestrians and vehicles.

Don't take it personally - the thing to remember about being a driver is that once you're behind the wheel, successful driving requires you be assertive, which leads to being aggressive, which leads to everyone else being the enemy.  People with caravans, truckers, white van drivers, women drivers, elderly drivers, young drivers, drivers the same age as you who shouldn't have a fucking licence, people in tractors, buses, motorcyclists...
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: radiator 05 March, 2015, 12:56:59 AM
Cosh - I like cycling and I like cyclists on the whole. I think the world would be a better place if more people cycled instead of just driving everywhere. I don't drive, so don't fully understand why motorists tend to have such animosity towards them, but I like to think that even if I did drive I'd be considerate.

I understand that lycra is somewhat practical, but I still think some of the get up a small minority of cyclists wear looks a bit silly outside of the context of a competition. To use your football analogy, I guess it'd be like someone turning up for a casual five a side game with some mates wearing a full team kit, if that makes sense.
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: Hawkmumbler 05 March, 2015, 10:37:51 AM
I bought a new eraser from Winsor and newton and the things has the consistancy of putty! It's sticking to everything! UUURRGGHH!
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: Satanist 05 March, 2015, 11:33:53 AM
...the biggest problem with the idea of "hipster" as anything other than a pejorative term for "young men with (or possibly without) silly beards" is that it's an amorphous, external label rather than a self-identifying emblem.


Just like Neds I need to call them something while I sneer contemptuously. TBH hipsters dont really bother me except that idiot sitting at the end of the office.

Whats really getting on my moobs at the moment is electricians. I am now onto my 3rd and hold out more hope of Halo Jones book 4 turning up before one of these money grabbing toss pots!
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: Proudhuff 05 March, 2015, 12:00:12 PM
This thread really cheers me up, thanks chaps.
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: Satanist 05 March, 2015, 12:08:15 PM
Lanky pensioners from Edinburgh who go to the pub bog and never return so you are left worrying about their wellbeing/beer money...Grrr!!!
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: Proudhuff 05 March, 2015, 12:29:14 PM
Why I otta...
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: von Boom 05 March, 2015, 02:10:05 PM
Mums with those oversized prams who come up and park the damned thing behind you while you're distracted and then get all sarky when you turn around and walk into the fecking thing. Use yer fecking heads.
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: JPMaybe 06 March, 2015, 12:06:35 PM
I don't like that Space song because they say 'more deadlier'.


On this subject, people using more with a comparative.  When I'm talking to my highly educated, PhD Physicist boss and he says "more easier" or something similar, I have to grit my teeth and mentally count to ten.
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: von Boom 06 March, 2015, 12:35:28 PM
Project managers that ask for a minute of your time just as you're heading out to lunch, then proceed to drone on for 30-40 minutes. Guess who misses lunch and guess who takes a late lunch. Grrrrrrrr.

Edit: And there's no sugar in the cupboard for my tea.
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: gurnard 06 March, 2015, 12:43:39 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_ZTrXAxZ-g

based upon the perfectly sound and multi-generational rationale that if you are visibly trying to be cool you never will be,

bear, that is a fantastic vid, and got to agree with that definition of cool.
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: The Legendary Shark 06 March, 2015, 01:00:37 PM
"Can I have a minute of your time?"
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"Sure, they're sixty quid each. Would you like the full minute or just a few seconds?"
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: TordelBack 06 March, 2015, 01:26:57 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_ZTrXAxZ-g

based upon the perfectly sound and multi-generational rationale that if you are visibly trying to be cool you never will be,

bear, that is a fantastic vid, and got to agree with that definition of cool.

Those two lads are amongst the most intelligent voices in Irish culture at the moment. Faint praise perhaps, but well earned.
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: radiator 06 March, 2015, 06:08:04 PM
I'll admit, that is pretty amusing. It reminds me a bit of that 'Being a Dickhead's Cool' song that was doing the rounds a few years ago. Funny also, but a little cruel.
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: Banners 08 March, 2015, 11:05:07 PM
To go back to the subject of cycling...

This morning we were waiting at a manual Stop/Go sign for ages whilst they were repainting the white lines, the sign evidently manned by a soporific bloke who was either asleep or suffering with history’s biggest ever hangover. Then, a bit further on, our road ahead was blocked without any diversion signs in place. Unable to get a GPS signal and on unfamiliar ground, we proceeded to get lost along various narrow, winding country lanes.

Then we got stuck behind not one, two nor even three cyclists – but a whole fucking peloton of maybe 40-50 riders. For 20 minutes. I applaud their wonderful hobby and salute their camaraderie and commitment in getting up on a wet and cold Sunday morning. But is it really fair, sensible or safe to make a dozen cars queue up behind for so long when then are quite obviously no safe overtaking opportunities?

And when we finally did get to a main road and I eventually overtook them (not without risk – bear in mind, this peloton was far longer than any lorry one might usually need to pass), not one of the fuckers even waved.
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: JamesC 09 March, 2015, 07:43:12 AM
I had to go into work yesterday morning for a couple of hours. Sunday is when the cyclists are out in force around here. I got stuck behind a group of riders going two abreast on a main city road. I guess they thought it was okay to do that on a fairly quiet Sunday morning.
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: The Legendary Shark 09 March, 2015, 07:53:05 AM
I have no problem with a lump of cyclists taking up the same amount of room as a slow moving car or tractor - it's when they take up more space than a convoy of artics I get grumpy.
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: Theblazeuk 09 March, 2015, 12:21:55 PM


To go back to the subject of cycling...

Unable to get a GPS signal and on unfamiliar ground, we proceeded to get lost along various narrow, winding country lanes....

Then we got stuck behind not one, two nor even three cyclists – but a whole fucking peloton of maybe 40-50 riders....

not one of the fuckers even waved

Chinese proverb say lost man may have gone through a route of organised bike ride, routed via said lanes because would never normally be used? Often they are hard to spot unless they are one of the major, major ones due to a reliance on quiet roads over signposting/marshalling.

As for the waving, I make a point to wave thanks to cars at all opportunities :) . Just because the rules say they should give way if I'm on the main road/not undertake me/I'm at a crossing/on a roundabout/etc, they are still behind a machine that can easily maim or kill me, so it's very nice when they're just driving like I exist, even if they're not doing anything particularly nice.

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: Professor Bear 09 March, 2015, 01:20:39 PM
I haven't cycled in years, but I always loved those drivers who think they need to accelerate like a motherfucker to overtake someone going 15 miles an hour.
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: Dandontdare 09 March, 2015, 02:12:24 PM
I haven't cycled in years, but I always loved those drivers who think they need to accelerate like a motherfucker to overtake someone going 15 miles an hour.

better than those lorry drivers who want to drive 0.1mph faster than the lorry in front and so begin an overtaking manoeuvre that takes several motorway junctions to complete.
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: Hawkmumbler 09 March, 2015, 03:13:21 PM
Lorrys terrify me. I know that make's me sound like an old woman but as someone who has only just learnt to drive and hate's confrontation, the aforementioned manoeuvres DDD mentions scare the living fuck out of me.
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: Mister Pops 09 March, 2015, 03:46:02 PM
People who stand and chat right in the doorways of busy public buildings, or worse yet at the top/bottom of busy stairwells, or worse still at the top bottom of escalators. Worse than Hitler.
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: Steve Green 09 March, 2015, 03:57:25 PM
People who stand and chat right in the doorways of busy public buildings, or worse yet at the top/bottom of busy stairwells, or worse still at the top bottom of escalators. Worse than Hitler.

Yepyepyep on the escalators, compounded by trailing bags behind them, meaning you have to step over them to avoid a pileup.
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: Hawkmumbler 09 March, 2015, 03:59:25 PM
I just say excuse me and if they ignore me I kick it out of the way.
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: Mister Pops 09 March, 2015, 04:09:53 PM
Oh I say Excuse Me a great deal louder than is necessary, it's the fact that they're even there in the first place, chatting at a bottle neck, which earns them a special place in Hell. Right by a doorway into heaven which is blocked by demons gossin'.
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: TordelBack 09 March, 2015, 04:16:40 PM
...better than those lorry drivers who want to drive 0.1mph faster than the lorry in front and so begin an overtaking manoeuvre that takes several motorway junctions to complete.

Be fair now, Sharky uses that time to research the melting point of steel and the Bilderberg guest list. It's not like it's wasted!
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: Dandontdare 09 March, 2015, 05:02:54 PM
People who stand and chat right in the doorways of busy public buildings, or worse yet at the top/bottom of busy stairwells, or worse still at the top bottom of escalators. Worse than Hitler.

oh yes indeed this is one of my personal hot-buttons - I work in a busy office and I hate it when someone will be on their way through a door when they'll stop to finish a conversation - either get out or come back in, but don't stand in the friggin doorway chatting you muppet!


On reflection, a great many of my pet peeves, whether it's pedestrians, co-workers lorries, bikes etc involve people just GETTING IN MY WAY in one form or another!  >:(
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: The Legendary Shark 09 March, 2015, 06:57:26 PM
The majority of lorries these days are fitted with speed limiters, keeping them to around 55 to 57 mph. It's a pain, to be honest, and makes these half-hour overtakes frustratingly common.
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: Grugz 09 March, 2015, 08:17:23 PM
Lorrys terrify me. I know that make's me sound like an old woman but as someone who has only just learnt to drive and hate's confrontation, the aforementioned manoeuvres DDD mentions scare the living fuck out of me.

I find buses to be worse while im on my bike (I even think about buying a helmet ) our local firm like tailgating cyclists ,there is nowt as scary looking over your shoulder to see a bus filling your field of vision especially on the country road with no where to pull over,one loose stone making me brake one day and its game over!
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: Rog69 09 March, 2015, 09:53:10 PM
The majority of lorries these days are fitted with speed limiters, keeping them to around 55 to 57 mph. It's a pain, to be honest, and makes these half-hour overtakes frustratingly common.

Its a shame lorries aren't fitted with distance limiters as well, it feels like lorry drivers have collectivity decided that safe stopping distances no longer apply to them. I do a fair amount of miles each week and I'm getting pretty fed up of only being able to see the front grille of a truck just behind my back seat every time I go through a speed restriction or heavy traffic on the motorway.
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: Professor Bear 09 March, 2015, 10:52:52 PM
I find buses to be worse

I have often encountered the hypothesis that bus drivers are the biggest arseholes on the road.  I may even have postulated it myself.
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: Mardroid 09 March, 2015, 11:19:39 PM
I find buses to be worse while im on my bike (I even think about buying a helmet )
Regardless of buses, get a helmet anyway. Not meaning to be morbid, you may be very thankful for it one day.
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: radiator 09 March, 2015, 11:30:22 PM
Yeah, get a bike helmet sharpish - it's not worth the risk to not wear one.

If it's good enough for Dredd...
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: I, Cosh 10 March, 2015, 12:12:51 AM
I'm not a helmet evangelist - I wear one if I'm going out for a proper ride but not to work or the shops - but I hear they can be useful. The one thing that will make any cyclist safer is actually occupying the proper space on the road, being fully in the flow of traffic (and obeying the same rules) rather than hugging the kerb.

I haven't cycled in years, but I always loved those drivers who think they need to accelerate like a motherfucker to overtake someone going 15 miles an hour.
Conversely, one of my biggest bugbears is the sort of clown who arrives at a junction and immediately proves himself unable to judge the speed of another approaching vehicle but simply assumes that all bicycles are travelling at the top speed of an eight year old child.

I try not to get too tribal about it. There are plenty dicks on bikes and I'm sure I read about one driver who wasn't that bad. It has, however, been genuinely eye-opening to spend some time living in a country where cycling is a mass form of transport.

The range of people you see cycling in Switzerland, and the array of different machines they do it on, is extraordinary. Of course, people still do stupid things and get annoyed at each other but the oppositional, adversarial mentality which prevails on British roads simply doesn't exist here. I assume it's because cycling is so much more common and, therefore, the vast majority of drivers are also likely to cycle at some time too but there is far greater acceptance of and patience with cyclists. It's almost like paradise on two wheels. Or it was until some cunt kicked my bike over and dented my mudguard last night.

I find buses to be worse
I have often encountered the hypothesis that bus drivers are the biggest arseholes on the road.  I may even have postulated it myself.
Just wait until you both see taxis for the first time.
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: Fungus 10 March, 2015, 01:17:37 AM
When walking, it's idiot drivers who don't know the right-of-way rules. When driving, it's idiot pedestrians who jay-walk in the belief that the guy in the car better stop if he knows what's good for him. These views sound sarcastic, but sum it up for me, depending on context. Know your enemy.
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: Grugz 10 March, 2015, 05:57:56 AM
you ought to try visiting preston with its new open high street,no kerbs lights crossings or nuffink you have to rely on the drivers not mowing you down or the peds not to walk out in front of you. miracle no ones been squished yet.
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: The Legendary Shark 10 March, 2015, 07:50:46 AM
Tailgating is pretty poor behaviour, especially from professional drivers who should know better, but in some cases car drivers bring it on themselves - especially the ones who think the middle lane belongs to them. Truck driving is all about momentum, keeping moving so you don't waste fuel hauling several tons of cargo back up to speed again. This is no excuse for tailgating but in the case of the middle-lane-hugger the lorry driver is presented with a problem; overtake in the inside lane, which is dangerous, or overtake in the outside lane, which is dangerous and illegal, or slow down to maintain their gap and contribute to the blockage of the middle lane, which is dangerous and stupid. The inside lane is not the "slow" lane, the middle lane is not the "cruising" lane and the outside lane is not the "fast" lane.
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In heavy traffic 90% of the problem is caused by people not maintaining their own two second gap. They go as fast as they can and only slow down when they get to the tail end of the queue in front. Then they brake, causing the drivers behind to brake and so on, causing a chain reaction. If everyone maintained a decent gap, traffic jams on the motorway would be lessened considerably.
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In slow-moving, heavy traffic I like to keep a healthy gap. While the vehicles in front constantly accelerate and brake, compounding the problem, the driver with the gap can creep along thereby keeping his vehicle, and the ones behind, moving smoothly if slowly. But what do idiots do? They see my gap and think it means my lane is travelling faster than theirs, so they dive in front of me, causing me to brake, and the vehicles behind me to brake, causing another disruptive ripple and making the overall situation worse.
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Poor lane discipline causes the most tailbacks. Some numpty in the outside lane decides to cut across two lanes of traffic to get to his exit because he thinks he's a "good driver" and causes everyone behind to dab their brakes. Because most drivers don't maintain an adequate gap or watch what's happening in front (you should always drive as many vehicles in front as you can), they dab their brakes as well. That ripple starts again and soon you get standing traffic until the wave dissipates - meanwhile, the numpty who caused it is already at home jerking off to Top Gear and thinking what a good driver he is while the traffic jam he caused takes hours to sort itself out. This kind of idiocy is behind those traffic jams you get into which suddenly clear for no apparent reason and...
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Jeez - I'm boring myself, now.
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: Hawkmumbler 10 March, 2015, 08:00:42 AM
Cycling in Holland is a completely different kettle of fish all together. Besides the main road and the pavement, theirs also roads on the other side of the pavement for cyclists and moped users. You would think that would complicate things, but it doesn't, it runs like clock work.
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: Fungus 10 March, 2015, 08:29:05 AM
On this subject at least you are not boring, Sharky :-)
Are you the first to mention middle-lane-huggers? Unbelievable....! I undertake so often now that in my head it's the right thing to do. Which is worrying.
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: The Legendary Shark 10 March, 2015, 08:39:30 AM
Heh. If I remember my Highway Code correctly, "always overtake on the outside unless you are turning/filtering left or in heavy traffic where one lane is moving faster than the other." Or something like that.
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I also sometimes overtake on the inside, which I really shouldn't and don't like. More often than not, a lorry trundling alongside them on the inside wakes them up and spurs them to a more sensible speed. It's still wrong but rather more polite than tailgating.
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: TordelBack 10 March, 2015, 09:00:05 AM
Sharky's description of poor lane discipline and insufficient driving gaps is so painfully true that it was actually stressing me out reading it!
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Grugz 10 March, 2015, 12:20:39 PM
when my wifes on the motorway,every lanes the fast lane!
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: Dandontdare 10 March, 2015, 02:04:58 PM
Middle lane hogging at slow/medium speeds is bad, but if the inside lane is full of slow-moving lorries and caravans, and I'm driving at or near the speed limit, I'm not going to keep diving in and out of those (too small) gaps between every lorry - if I'm driving faster than everything in that lane, I'm going to stay in the middle. If you want to overtake me a) there's another lane for that and b) you're probably going too fast 'cos I'm doing the speed limit. If I slow down, I will certainly move to the inside lane.

Leaving adequate stopping distances on a motorway (to Highway Code guidelines) is simply not possible due to volume of traffic - If I try to leave 240 feet (18 car lengths) at 60mph*, other vehicles will simply fill that gap - if I drop back, the same thing happens, meaning that my only option is to stop and wait till everybody else has gone home before I continue my journey.

*yes I did have to look that up!
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: The Legendary Shark 10 March, 2015, 02:25:20 PM
If you're overtaking something, you're not hogging the middle lane. If you overtake something and then there's a quarter mile gap before the next vehicle, and you stay in the middle lane, you are hogging it.
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Leaving a gap is entirely possible, no matter how busy the traffic. I do it all the time; all it takes is patience and (most important of all driving skills) observation.
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: Fungus 10 March, 2015, 02:42:36 PM
I'm going to stay in the middle. If you want to overtake me a) there's another lane for that and b) you're probably going too fast 'cos I'm doing the speed limit. If I slow down, I will certainly move to the inside lane.

I'll bite!
As Sharky says, you are a hog. You don't get to decide which is the best lane for you, the Highway Code kindly does that for you.

Happily, most of my driving is motorway and way outside the rush hours. In Cal Hab at night, the M8 is pleasingly quiet. More often than not, the only solitary other car I see every few miles, ahead of me, is tootling along in the middle lane. They are hogs.

*Honk*
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Dandontdare 10 March, 2015, 02:46:35 PM
If you're overtaking something, you're not hogging the middle lane. If you overtake something and then there's a quarter mile gap before the next vehicle, and you stay in the middle lane, you are hogging it.
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Leaving a gap is entirely possible, no matter how busy the traffic. I do it all the time; all it takes is patience and (most important of all driving skills) observation.

Can't remember the last time I saw a quarter mile gap on a motorway!

as for leaving a gap, let's say you're in the slow inside lane doing your max comfortable speed with a nice legal gap in front of you. A car overtakes you and slots into the gap halving it. Do you slow down and drop back? Then another car fills the new gap - do you slow down again? I can't see how it's possible to maintain the gap on a crowded motorway.


I'll bite!
As Sharky says, you are a hog. You don't get to decide which is the best lane for you, the Highway Code kindly does that for you.

but doesn't that infringe my common law rights? I didn't sign a contract with the Highways agency  ;) (joking!)
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: The Legendary Shark 10 March, 2015, 03:14:17 PM
If a car, in free-moving traffic, "steals my gap" it's usually because they're exiting the motorway. Whether I drop back or pull out to overtake depends on the road conditions and traffic.
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I'm not going to get into common law here - I have enough headaches at the moment! :-D
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Mattofthespurs 10 March, 2015, 05:33:12 PM
2 chevrons people! 2 chevrons!

Is it that frickin' hard?
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Jim_Campbell 10 March, 2015, 05:43:50 PM
2 chevrons people! 2 chevrons!

I thought you needed all seven locked if you wanted to get anywhere interesting…?

Cheers

Jim
: Re: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: radiator 10 March, 2015, 07:44:25 PM
A guy in the office (nominally the 'boss' but not really), against everyone else's wishes (i suggested that people would rather the money be spent on booze but it fell on deaf ears), installed a music system (which he did while i was away so couldn't object) and insists that there be music played all day every day. Of course, the problem with this is that everyone has very different music tastes and tend to listen to their headphones anyway.
We have tried making communal playlists but they don't work (even an epic playlist gets repetitive day in day out) and anything a bit out there gets on people's nerves, so we end up with the most bland, inoffensive type of music, which of course IS offensive to anyone with taste.

If i hear that wretched 'Hey Soul Sister' song, or ANYTHING by Jack Johnson one more time i will not be held responsible for my actions.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: ZenArcade 10 March, 2015, 07:58:15 PM
Yep the shit you talk about is just radio friendly unit shifting/corporate endorsed wank. There is no imaginatio, variency nor bravery in this faecal nonsense. Music used to enliven the heart and inform the imagination. Now it is just safe. Z
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: Hawkmumbler 10 March, 2015, 08:28:54 PM
Try working in B&Q, we play shite that hasn't been played on any backwoods tape mix since the mid 90's at least.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: JamesC 10 March, 2015, 08:37:33 PM
We have a similar musical problem at my workplace. One of the older members of staff discovered Spotify and decreed that it should be on at all times.
We almost always settle for the generic 'most popular on Spotify' playlist and anything slightly out of the comfort zone gets quickly switched over. I was quite enjoying the 'Reggae Breakfast' playlist the other day but it lasted about 15mins (I'm not even a reggae fan but it was nice to have something a bit different).
To be honest I'd rather have peace and quiet.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Banners 10 March, 2015, 10:01:27 PM
2 chevrons people! 2 chevrons!

Is it that frickin' hard?

Indeed it is – this always confuses me. Specifically, does it mean...

a) leave the distance between two chevrons between you and the car in front

b) make sure you can see two chevrons between you and the car in front

(http://www.aptronym.co.uk/chevrons.png)

...ie. do the two chevrons concerned include the chevron you're on?
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: TordelBack 10 March, 2015, 10:06:56 PM
I always said Banners should be drawing Nemesis.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Hawkmumbler 10 March, 2015, 10:20:34 PM
I always said Banners should be drawing Nemesis.
True that. :lol:
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: The Enigmatic Dr X 10 March, 2015, 10:40:42 PM
Yes but which chevron layout is it?
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: JamesC 11 March, 2015, 06:49:37 AM
I vote option B.
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: Mattofthespurs 11 March, 2015, 07:57:16 AM
B

You should be able to see 2 chevrons.
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: Banners 11 March, 2015, 09:13:48 AM
B

You should be able to see 2 chevrons.

But if the cars in example b) move forward a little, then the following car can see three chevrons.
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: Rog69 11 March, 2015, 09:54:41 AM
My car has radar all round and detects how close you are to other vehicles and will flash up a warning light if I get too close to the car in front, at 70 on the motorway it seems to work on a gap eqivalent to 2 chevrons like the one in Banner's example A.

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: Mattofthespurs 11 March, 2015, 12:13:37 PM
B

You should be able to see 2 chevrons.

But if the cars in example b) move forward a little, then the following car can see three chevrons.

2 chevrons is the recommended minimum.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Colin Zeal 11 March, 2015, 05:05:06 PM
I'd go with option A but it's something that has puzzled me in the past as well.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Mattofthespurs 11 March, 2015, 05:46:10 PM
I can't tell if people are being sarcastic or not anymore.

I wouldn't mind, but I don't drive.

Perhaps those pesky 'Highway Code' books are confusing me.

And with all those signs making it patently clear as well.

Dammit if I'm not confused too  :crazy:

2 chevrons between each car, as a minimum,  is hard to understand.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Mister Pops 11 March, 2015, 05:51:00 PM
2 chevrons people! 2 chevrons!

I thought you needed all seven locked if you wanted to get anywhere interesting…?

Cheers

Jim

This is the only comment I understand and agree with.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: ZenArcade 11 March, 2015, 07:27:15 PM
The organs who are tasked with keeping us in a perpetual state of uncertainty, ignorance and anger are well funded by our masters evidently. Z
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: radiator 12 March, 2015, 12:01:34 AM
Drink snobs.

I just don't buy into this myth that there's this enormous gulf in taste and quality between a coffee from Starbucks and one from the poncey coffee shop down the road. It's just a cup of coffee at the end of the day. It has literally three ingredients. In my experience, the main difference is you don't have to wait for 20mins for your drink in Starbucks.

Also people that say this is a 'girly' drink, this is a 'manly' drink, 'this beer tastes like gnat's piss etc'. There's a time and a place for most drinks is there not? It's just a pointless division, and I don't get why some people get so worked up about it.
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: Mister Pops 12 March, 2015, 03:10:15 AM
McDonalds does better coffee than Starbucks.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: sheridan 12 March, 2015, 07:35:51 AM
2 chevrons people! 2 chevrons!

Is it that frickin' hard?

Indeed it is – this always confuses me. Specifically, does it mean...

a) leave the distance between two chevrons between you and the car in front

b) make sure you can see two chevrons between you and the car in front

(http://www.aptronym.co.uk/chevrons.png)

...ie. do the two chevrons concerned include the chevron you're on?

The following sign would be the view from the cockpit of the the car in b):

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2754/5857679515_21be1e43d4_b.jpg)
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: Jim_Campbell 12 March, 2015, 07:50:01 AM
I just don't buy into this myth that there's this enormous gulf in taste and quality between a coffee from Starbucks and one from the poncey coffee shop down the road. It's just a cup of coffee at the end of the day. It has literally three ingredients. In my experience, the main difference is you don't have to wait for 20mins for your drink in Starbucks.

I'm not a coffee snob by any stretch of the imagination,* but I can tell the difference between the coffee from Costa (horrible) and Caffe Nero (noticeably less horrible). Someone bought me some Starbucks-branded ground coffee which was pretty much undrinkable compared to the fair trade Colombian stuff I usually drink.

So, yeah, there is a difference, although I have no idea whether the entirely subjective criteria on which I'm judging that difference bears any relation to whether the coffee is 'better' or 'worse'.

Cheers

Jim

*I love coffee, but caffeine disagrees with me so I drink one cup of coffee a day and figure it might as well be a good one.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Banners 12 March, 2015, 08:10:42 AM

The following sign would be the view from the cockpit of the the car in b):

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2754/5857679515_21be1e43d4_b.jpg)

Surely the sign represents the view if both cars in example a) move forward a bit?
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: JamesC 12 March, 2015, 09:33:21 AM
Drink snobs.

I just don't buy into this myth that there's this enormous gulf in taste and quality between a coffee from Starbucks and one from the poncey coffee shop down the road. It's just a cup of coffee at the end of the day. It has literally three ingredients. In my experience, the main difference is you don't have to wait for 20mins for your drink in Starbucks.

Also people that say this is a 'girly' drink, this is a 'manly' drink, 'this beer tastes like gnat's piss etc'. There's a time and a place for most drinks is there not? It's just a pointless division, and I don't get why some people get so worked up about it.

I think a lot of it is just a fashion thing. In the early 90s everyone wanted to be caffeine-free - Coke even brought out a caffeine-free variety in a gold can. No one cares about that now though - caffeine-free is for wimps and the more hyper-strong and caffeined up your coffee is the tougher you are and the harder you work. Now the biggest drink brands are Starbucks and Red Bull.
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: Daveycandlish 12 March, 2015, 12:02:52 PM
Surely you can taste a difference? Or is it just the fashionable drinking side you don't get?
That, I can understand. But to say every cup of coffe tastes the same is like saying there is no difference between pints of ale or two types of chocolate. Every brand is different; you can't tell me you can't taste a difference between a Hershey bar and Dairy Milk?!
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: Dark Jimbo 12 March, 2015, 12:14:36 PM
I'm not a coffee snob by any stretch of the imagination,* but I can tell the difference between the coffee from Costa (horrible) and Caffe Nero (noticeably less horrible). Someone bought me some Starbucks-branded ground coffee which was pretty much undrinkable compared to the fair trade Colombian stuff I usually drink.

Huh. In terms of sheer taste I find Costa the best by miles, Nero a close second, but Starbucks utterly vile.

And as for whoever said the coffee was better in MacDonalds, their McCoffee has to be the all-time-worst I've ever had! Horses for courses.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Jim_Campbell 12 March, 2015, 12:17:11 PM
Huh. In terms of sheer taste I find Costa the best by miles, Nero a close second, but Starbucks utterly vile.

I've only been in a couple of Costas and both times I've found the coffee to be bitter and have an unpleasant aftertaste. Could be I've been unlucky, could be the staff in those particular branches aren't so diligent about keeping the equipment clean, but I won't buy another coffee from them given any kind of choice.

Cheers

Jim
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: Dark Jimbo 12 March, 2015, 12:19:10 PM
See, that's been exactly my expierience of Starbucks - really bitter with an awful aftertaste.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: JamesC 12 March, 2015, 12:40:32 PM
Surely you can taste a difference? Or is it just the fashionable drinking side you don't get?
That, I can understand. But to say every cup of coffe tastes the same is like saying there is no difference between pints of ale or two types of chocolate. Every brand is different; you can't tell me you can't taste a difference between a Hershey bar and Dairy Milk?!

It depends how much you drink. I probably buy a coffee about once every three months and as far as I'm aware they all taste like a generic strong coffee. I'm sure if I drank more I'd notice the differences between brands but I'd have to drink it at least a couple of times a week.
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: Tiplodocus 12 March, 2015, 12:40:40 PM
Plus do they pay taxes?


Anyway, I try to keep a distance of two cehvrons from the car in front.  But I nearly killed myself the other day trying to keep two chevrons between me and Jeremey Clarkson driving a Ferrari.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: von Boom 12 March, 2015, 12:44:51 PM
Plus do they pay taxes?


Anyway, I try to keep a distance of two cehvrons from the car in front.  But I nearly killed myself the other day trying to keep two chevrons between me and Jeremey Clarkson driving a Ferrari.

 :lol:
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: SuperSurfer 12 March, 2015, 01:56:19 PM
Coffee addict here. Am typing this while drinking a tasty coffee from Costa near work.

I used to consider Cafe Nero coffee my fave but I reckon how good coffee tastes depends on who is making the coffee and on the branch. Some Costa branches are franchises and I find those serve much weaker coffee. Sometimes I say to my better half that I can't detect any coffee flavour and if I was told my drink was just warm milk I would believe that.

As for Starbucks – I find their coffee consistently undrinkable. Warm froth. I saw a Starbucks documentary and the head honcho was saying how after a trip to Italy he decided to get Starbucks going but served coffee for US tastes: weak and sweet.
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: radiator 12 March, 2015, 03:39:27 PM
I'm not saying there's no difference, I just think that people have a tendency to wildly exaggerate, bandying around words like 'undrinkable'. I mean, have people forgotten what the standard of coffee was like in the UK 15 years ago?

I've had objectively bad cups of coffee - but it's generally because something went wrong in the making of it.

I used to consider Cafe Nero coffee my fave but I reckon how good coffee tastes depends on who is making the coffee and on the branch. Some Costa branches are franchises and I find those serve much weaker coffee. Sometimes I say to my better half that I can't detect any coffee flavour and if I was told my drink was just warm milk I would believe that.

Depends on what you're used to. I find Costa and Starbucks a bit weak, but that's because they only use one shot, whereas Nero use two as standard.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Mattofthespurs 12 March, 2015, 04:08:11 PM
No liquid is undrinkable.

Might taste like shit, but it's not undrinkable.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: I, Cosh 12 March, 2015, 04:15:19 PM
No liquid is undrinkable.

Might taste like shit, but it's not undrinkable.
As my secondary school physics teacher was fond of saying:

Johnny was a little boy, but now he is no more,
For what he thought was H2O was H2SO4
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: TordelBack 12 March, 2015, 04:16:26 PM
There's further mystery here: all the Starbucks I know serve at least three varieties of coffee as the base for their drinks: two brewed and one espresso, plus sundry decaff and novelties.  The addition of too much warm milk, cream, syrup, chocolate is at the consumers instruction.  When people say 'I hate Starbucks coffee', what exactly do they mean?

Now I'm not a fan myself, since their basic espresso (my thing) isn't great in terms of flavour and drinking it to the overloud AOR soundtrack is unpleasant, but their Fair Trade brewed coffee is often superior if you like a tall takeaway drink, and reasonably priced for the volume. I also have a penchant for their Gingerbread Lattes at Christmas, but these are best treated as milkshakes rather than coffees, on which basis they are very fine indeed.

I tend to always carry a flask of homemade espresso with me these days, which keeps me away from the moneypit franchise places, but if pushed into one I'd say West Coast Coffee (espresso) and Insomnia (lattes) are hard to beat.

All, and I mean all, are streets ahead of the oily slop (aka 'hotel coffee') which passed for coffee round here in the 80s and 90s.

: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Hawkmumbler 12 March, 2015, 04:49:53 PM
No liquid is undrinkable.

Might taste like shit, but it's not undrinkable.
As my secondary school physics teacher was fond of saying:

Johnny was a little boy, but now he is no more,
For what he thought was H2O was H2SO4
:lol:
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Mattofthespurs 12 March, 2015, 05:03:19 PM
No liquid is undrinkable.

Might taste like shit, but it's not undrinkable.
As my secondary school physics teacher was fond of saying:

Johnny was a little boy, but now he is no more,
For what he thought was H2O was H2SO4

It's still drinkable  :|
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Banners 12 March, 2015, 07:14:20 PM
Web addresses have now been part of everyday language for about 15 years. Therefore, exaggerating the word "slash" is no longer funny.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: von Boom 12 March, 2015, 07:18:43 PM
I just want people to stop saying hashtag to emphasise something. *Urge to kill rising...*
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: SuperSurfer 12 March, 2015, 07:41:42 PM
Owners of those four legged street shitting machines who put Fido to dump right outside people's front gates or on a point on the pavement where there is nowhere else to walk. Why not take Rover to the edge of the kerb or somewhere else and let him do his daily duties where people don't walk? Or outside their own front gate? No, not that because it's disgusting, right. Jeez if I catch the moron who let his companion do that right in front of our gate it's them I'll be house training.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: sheridan 12 March, 2015, 07:43:35 PM
No liquid is undrinkable.

Might taste like shit, but it's not undrinkable.
As my secondary school physics teacher was fond of saying:

Johnny was a little boy, but now he is no more,
For what he thought was H2O was H2SO4

Or as Harry Harrison put it:
Little Lucy in the lab
Lies dead upon the floor
For what she thought was H2O
Was H2SO4

A similar tale goes thus:
Two chemists are sitting in a cafe.  The first chemist who orders first says "Could I have some H2O" while the second says "I'll have H2O2". Then the second chemist dies.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: radiator 14 March, 2015, 12:19:52 AM
People who tag their photos #nofilter.

I still don't know what the purpose of this is, but it always makes me think that they're saying "Yeah, check out my amazing photo. You might think I used filters to make it look this good, but I didn't!".
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: sheridan 14 March, 2015, 02:06:05 AM
People who tag their photos #nofilter.

I still don't know what the purpose of this is, but it always makes me think that they're saying "Yeah, check out my amazing photo. You might think I used filters to make it look this good, but I didn't!".

This has passed me by (I don't think any of my friends have used that hashtag) - what is it supposed to mean?
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: radiator 14 March, 2015, 02:50:56 AM
People who tag their photos #nofilter.

I still don't know what the purpose of this is, but it always makes me think that they're saying "Yeah, check out my amazing photo. You might think I used filters to make it look this good, but I didn't!".

This has passed me by (I don't think any of my friends have used that hashtag) - what is it supposed to mean?

They're basically stating that the photo is completely unedited and they haven't used any of Instagram's built in colour filters. Why they feel the need to state this I don't know.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Jim_Campbell 14 March, 2015, 08:32:28 AM
Two chemists are sitting in a cafe.  The first chemist who orders first says "Could I have some H2O" while the second says "I'll have H2O2 H2O, too". Then the second chemist dies.

FTFY!

Cheers

Jim
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: hippynumber1 14 March, 2015, 09:36:45 AM
Two chemists are sitting in a cafe.  The first chemist who orders first says "Could I have some H2O" while the second says "I'll have H2O2 H2O, too". Then the second chemist dies.

FTFY!

Cheers

Ah! Now it makes sense and is quite funny!
Jim
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: Richmond Clements 14 March, 2015, 09:54:10 AM
People who tag their photos #nofilter.

I still don't know what the purpose of this is, but it always makes me think that they're saying "Yeah, check out my amazing photo. You might think I used filters to make it look this good, but I didn't!".

Well, yeah. That's exactly why. I do it to let people know that very thing - like the amazing sunrise I posted this morning.
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: Hawkmumbler 15 March, 2015, 11:54:51 AM
I've said it once and i'll say it again. Fucking Gamergate can piss off.
I just got a torrent of abuse on Youtube (commenting on a video posted by a friend) on the subject of further harassment against Anita Sarkeesian.

Now I don't like Sarkeesian particularly, I find her a little stuffy and full of herself, but I'll stand by her on the need for feminism in the gaming community as, i'll be honest, it's become rampant with stay at home gaming trolls who are filled with a sense of male entitlement and mysogyny.

But the second I agree with any such sentiments, I get personally targeted through my Youtube and Twitter accounts as a "Feminazi" or a "Faggot".

I'm done. I don't want to live on this planet anymore. The fuckboys ruined it for me.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: The Legendary Shark 15 March, 2015, 12:10:40 PM
They can only get to you if you let them. It's your planet as much as anyone's.
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: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: ZenArcade 15 March, 2015, 12:12:54 PM
Exactly....why let some sad, wearying losers dictate your emotional state. Fuck that for a lark. Z
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Professor Bear 15 March, 2015, 01:44:20 PM
Flag the comments, as Youtube and Twitter have increasingly strict guidelines about abusive behavior - the only reason it endures to the level it does is that sorting through the sheer volume of it takes time.  Don't be driven off or forced into silence.

A mate recently kicked her son out of the house for smashing things and being verbally abusive because she didn't get him a sufficiently good mobile phone contract - on her own dime - for the iPhone - that she paid for - after a lean couple of months enforced on the family (of 5) by his spending all the money on the family bank card on online games, which caused her to have to beg for food and miss paying the rent.
That's the kind of entitlement you're up against from a generation raised on the internet without any social filters: they're not the barbarians at the gates - half of them can't even spell - they're just pond life you should be pitying whilst enjoying the access to those who believe in fairness and whose opinions are worth your time that the internet provides.  It's a magnificent communications tool that can enlighten and educate, and that doesn't change because some 12 year olds want to use it to look at badger porn while calling strangers a faggot.
If nothing else, just give 'em enough rope until they hang themselves like those Twitter twats who got banged up for rape threats over whose mug went on a fiver or whatever it was about.
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: IAMTHESYSTEM 15 March, 2015, 02:33:00 PM
Yeah don't let the bastards get you down Hawkmonger. Bit shocked to hear that anyone on this forum got trolled though. But some people out in Internet land believe it's their right to attack or insult anyone who mildly disagrees with them.
 
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Mister Pops 15 March, 2015, 10:31:32 PM
Gamers, eh? The most toxic online community that isn't an outright hate group.

It's like they don't understand the catharsis in vicariously shooting everthing that moves and blowing up everything that doesn't.
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: JayzusB.Christ 16 March, 2015, 10:03:45 AM
Though I'm not much of a gamer, I believe that the number of fuckwits in the community seems higher than it actually is - the vast majority of gamers are normal, decent people who have social lives and thus can express their opinions and emotions to other people in the standard, healthy way; while the nasty little shitsuckers that seem to clog up particular sites have few, if any, real friends and substitute social interactions with vindictive bile-spewing to faceless avatars on the internet.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: JamesC 16 March, 2015, 11:30:01 AM
Yep as usual it's a minority of noisy idiots that give everyone else a bad name.
I'm yet to find a really decent, well moderated gaming Forum. Most of the ones I've been on devolve into name calling and PC vs Console flame wars on most threads.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: TordelBack 16 March, 2015, 12:06:17 PM
I'm not so sure about the 'friendless basement dweller' being at the root of all this, and more to do with tree-houses full of signatories to the G.R.O.S.S. charter. I suspect it's less about the lonely unwashed and more about those who mistake their priveleged existences for less than their due, and like the boards of companies, golf clubs and parties the world over fear even the slightest hint that the Other may get inside the gates and start touching their stuff.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: radiator 17 March, 2015, 01:44:02 AM
I know I should be more patient, but I get frustrated with people who are timid with (or in some cases wilfully ignorant of) technology and refuse to educate themselves about it* and say things like 'I'm just not very technical'.

I'm trying to get everyone to send me birthday message video clips for my girlfriend's upcoming birthday, and if a video file is too big to send via facebook on their phone, it's simply beyond certain people**. I was also recently alarmed when my sister asked me how to go about backing up her photos - she had been walking round with all of her photos on her phone for the last five years without ever having backed them up. Neither her nor her husband (who is apparently really into gadgets and tech) had any idea how to even get the photos off their phones and onto their computer. To be clear, I'm talking about people in their 20s, 30s and 40s, not their 70s or 80s.

*Are these people aware that there is literally a blank page - Google - you can type a question into and have answers within seconds? Add to that the fact that computing has got infinitely easier in the last 15 years - and there's really no excuse not to get up to speed and join everyone else in the 21st century.

**And don't even get me started on how many people filmed their videos in portrait.  ::)
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Mister Pops 17 March, 2015, 02:42:52 AM
**And don't even get me started on how many people filmed their videos in portrait.  ::)

People who do that don't bug me, the very fact that it is possible annoys me. The only device callibrated to show videos in portrait is a smart phone. No other screens are in portrait. Youtube does not offer a player that shows videos in portrait, no video software outside a smartphone does. Pretty much everyone agrees moving pictures look wrong and off in portrait. When there's to big black strips taking up a great deal of the screen, it just looks shitty. Why is it even possible to film in portrait?

I don't see at as a people problem, it's a technology one. Y'know what grinds my gears? When technology does stuff without asking you first. Imagine everytime you tilted you're phone while filming, a prompt appeared asking if you wanted to film in portrait. You'd say "Of course not, you stupid smartphone!"
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: JamesC 17 March, 2015, 07:57:11 AM
Radiator, just remind yourself of how many people can't cook their own meal or wash their own clothes and the fact that some people can't back up digital files or film in the correct orientation won't seem half as bad.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: The Legendary Shark 17 March, 2015, 08:10:19 AM
It does seem an odd thing to get upset over. Sure, anybody can learn how to save files properly but, by the same token, anybody can learn how to dismantle, repair and rebuild any type of machine; how to draw or paint; how to write to a professional standard; how to design and construct a house; how to manage a farm or grow all your own food; how to extract medicines and remedies from natural resources; how to sink wells and purify water and any number of other things - but who has the time?
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There are a great many things to learn and a great many things to do - we can't all be good at everything; I guess that's why there are seven billion of us, so we can share the load.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: I, Cosh 17 March, 2015, 08:55:03 AM
**And don't even get me started on how many people filmed their videos in portrait.  ::)
Pretty much everyone agrees moving pictures look wrong and off in portrait. When there's to big black strips taking up a great deal of the screen, it just looks shitty. Why is it even possible to film in portrait?
Ha ha. One of the great things about the internet in general and threads like this in particular is finding out about things you never even knew were supposed to annoy you. What's the problem with filming in portrait? Is it going to turn out to be one of those things like kerning where it's me that's weird because it doesn't bother me.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Jim_Campbell 17 March, 2015, 09:05:01 AM
Is it going to turn out to be one of those things like kerning where it's me that's weird because it doesn't bother me.

You're dead to me, man.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: radiator 17 March, 2015, 03:40:50 PM
Sure, anybody can learn how to save files properly but, by the same token, anybody can learn how to dismantle, repair and rebuild any type of machine; how to draw or paint; how to write to a professional standard; how to design and construct a house; how to manage a farm or grow all your own food; how to extract medicines and remedies from natural resources; how to sink wells and purify water and any number of other things - but who has the time?

Oh, come off it - the things you're talking about are complex skills that would require hundreds - if not thousands - of hours of practice and/or training to accomplish, whereas transferring files from a phone to a laptop, or sending files via Wetransfer require you to click 3-5 buttons on your computer screen - and if that's somehow too demanding, you can hit up Youtube for a tutorial video that will hold your hand every step of the way.

I can understand someone choosing to be a luddite back when there was no internet and computers ran on obtuse, unintuitive software, but pretty much everyone now uses a computer of some kind every single day, and they've have never been easier to use. Granted I have an advantage, but thanks to wonderfully intuitive software, Google and Youtube I learned how to edit video the other day for the aforementioned video in ten minutes flat.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Jim_Campbell 17 March, 2015, 03:50:14 PM
I can understand someone choosing to be a luddite back when there was no internet and computers ran on obtuse, unintuitive software, but pretty much everyone now uses a computer of some kind every single day, and they've have never been easier to use.

The Managing Director of a company I once worked for took so much pride in his refusal to engage with technology that his PA used to have to print off his emails hourly and put the hard copies on his desk. He would hand write his responses across the bottom and she would have to type up and send the reply.

This was the mid '00s and he was in his late forties or early fifties, so we're not talking about the early days of emails or a complete dinosaur. Suffice to say that he was, in almost every other respect an unutterable cunt my loathing for whom is almost unmatched by any other man I have met in person.

Cheers

Jim
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: radiator 17 March, 2015, 03:57:48 PM
The Managing Director of a company I once worked for took so much pride in his refusal to engage with technology that his PA used to have to print off his emails hourly and put the hard copies on his desk. He would hand write his responses across the bottom and she would have to type up and send the reply.

Reminds me of my other sister who has made a conscious decision to be a luddite as some sort of contrarian lifestyle choice. I just don't get why you'd actively choose to make yourself less employable in an increasingly digital world.

As for kerning - to the untrained eye it's a subtle thing, but as with most aspects of design it's all about clarity and legibility. A road sign with bad kerning could actually be dangerous, for example.

(http://media.creativebloq.futurecdn.net/sites/creativebloq.com/files/images/2014/09/piss.jpg)
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: JayzusB.Christ 17 March, 2015, 04:21:35 PM
I just looked up kerning and discovered it's also called 'mortising'. I didn't get much further in the Wikipedia article, and am forced to conclude that kerning means this:


(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/square_medium/2/22955/851624-judge_mortis_8.png)
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: JamesC 17 March, 2015, 05:03:26 PM
The Managing Director of a company I once worked for took so much pride in his refusal to engage with technology that his PA used to have to print off his emails hourly and put the hard copies on his desk. He would hand write his responses across the bottom and she would have to type up and send the reply.

Reminds me of my other sister who has made a conscious decision to be a luddite as some sort of contrarian lifestyle choice. I just don't get why you'd actively choose to make yourself less employable in an increasingly digital world.


I guess for the same reasons that some people seem to be proud of the fact that they 'can't boil an egg'. 

Having said that I don't think it's very helpful that products like the iPad come in a box with absolutely no instructions. You should have seen the amount of old people asking for help in the Apple shop after Xmas!
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Fungus 17 March, 2015, 05:04:13 PM
Asking everyone to make and send video clips sending birthday wishes sounds quite presumptuous to me. Like a wedding gift list, but worse. To then be disappointed in the FORMAT or lack of engagement from people? Yep, that's impatience.

Grumpus !

Edit: wouldn't at least some people be a bit self-conscious at this?
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Grugz 17 March, 2015, 05:14:05 PM
my gears grind my gears, after dusting off the pushbike after a year in hibernation I remembered the gears are crap, probably my technical ineptitude as its a nordend mountain bike, I don't need all those gears and the handle bar mounted changer is annoying it keeps slipping and chucking me in the wrong gear wich is annoying going up hill when it suddenly becomes impossible to pedal or on a flat when I suddenly go into hill climb gear causing me to nearly come off due to foot slippage.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: radiator 17 March, 2015, 07:07:22 PM
Asking everyone to make and send video clips sending birthday wishes sounds quite presumptuous to me. Like a wedding gift list, but worse. To then be disappointed in the FORMAT or lack of engagement from people? Yep, that's impatience.
Edit: wouldn't at least some people be a bit self-conscious at this?

As well as making some pretty hefty (and false) assumptions of your own, you've also missed the point of what I was saying.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Professor Bear 17 March, 2015, 07:35:30 PM
What's the problem with filming in portrait? Is it going to turn out to be one of those things like kerning where it's me that's weird because it doesn't bother me.

See also: Comic Sans.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Theblazeuk 17 March, 2015, 09:58:02 PM
my gears grind my gears, after dusting off the pushbike after a year in hibernation I remembered the gears are crap, probably my technical ineptitude as its a nordend mountain bike, I don't need all those gears and the handle bar mounted changer is annoying it keeps slipping and chucking me in the wrong gear wich is annoying going up hill when it suddenly becomes impossible to pedal or on a flat when I suddenly go into hill climb gear causing me to nearly come off due to foot slippage.

If you replace your chain, it may work better. You may have to replace the derailleurs (gears) too, maybe front or back. Depends how much wear. But replacing your chain will keep wear and tear on the rest down to a minimum... as will cleaning it after use or oiling it up before you start out after hibernation.


Still I am one to talk I never get around to doing this myself due to lazyness :)
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Fungus 17 March, 2015, 10:28:00 PM
Asking everyone to make and send video clips sending birthday wishes sounds quite presumptuous to me. Like a wedding gift list, but worse. To then be disappointed in the FORMAT or lack of engagement from people? Yep, that's impatience.
Edit: wouldn't at least some people be a bit self-conscious at this?

As well as making some pretty hefty (and false) assumptions of your own, you've also missed the point of what I was saying.

No offence meant. I do think people's relationship with technology is their business, though. If I have a point, please take it that this is mine.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Richmond Clements 18 March, 2015, 12:10:51 AM
Why can't people wait until everybody who's getting off gets off the bus before they get on?
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Mister Pops 18 March, 2015, 12:44:10 AM
Same goes for lifts.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Grugz 18 March, 2015, 09:15:30 AM
my gears grind my gears, after dusting off the pushbike after a year in hibernation I remembered the gears are crap, probably my technical ineptitude as its a nordend mountain bike, I don't need all those gears and the handle bar mounted changer is annoying it keeps slipping and chucking me in the wrong gear wich is annoying going up hill when it suddenly becomes impossible to pedal or on a flat when I suddenly go into hill climb gear causing me to nearly come off due to foot slippage.

If you replace your chain, it may work better. You may have to replace the derailleurs (gears) too, maybe front or back. Depends how much wear. But replacing your chain will keep wear and tear on the rest down to a minimum... as will cleaning it after use or oiling it up before you start out after hibernation.


Still I am one to talk I never get around to doing this myself due to lazyness :)


cheers for that, I did enquire about downgrading the entire system but all the shops I spoke to didn't recommend it as the Tesco bike I have just aint worth the expense ...i'll just have to walk up hills until I get the strength and stamina built up again.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Theblazeuk 18 March, 2015, 11:54:15 AM
Try not to 'cross' the gears (like Ghostbusters, don't cross the beams). So if you are in your largest front cog, don't be in the smallest rear cog and vice versa.

That can help a little.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: I, Cosh 18 March, 2015, 12:49:36 PM
cheers for that, I did enquire about downgrading the entire system but all the shops I spoke to didn't recommend it as the Tesco bike I have just aint worth the expense ...i'll just have to walk up hills until I get the strength and stamina built up again.
It's a bit late now but, in general, cheap bikes bought from the supermarket or whatever aren't worth the money you save on them. Cheap components wear out and decent replacements either aren't available or are such a significant proportion of the initial cost of the bike it puts people off altogether.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: The Legendary Shark 18 March, 2015, 01:00:29 PM
Ducks are starting to grind my gears. I never used to pay them much attention, thinking they were just cute, waddling birds. Living on the boat, however, has taught me they are horrid creatures interested only in scraps of stale bread and gang-rape.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Jim_Campbell 18 March, 2015, 01:15:00 PM
Ducks are starting to grind my gears. I never used to pay them much attention, thinking they were just cute, waddling birds. Living on the boat, however, has taught me they are horrid creatures interested only in scraps of stale bread and gang-rape.

There's always time for one more airing of this. (http://www.momentofmoore.com/post/3951292981/the-march-of-the-sinister-ducks-look-closer)

Cheers

Jim
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Albion 18 March, 2015, 01:23:36 PM
People who walk down the street playing music on their phones.
Why do you assume the rest of the world wants to hear what you like listening to?
Get some drokking headphones! >:(
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Link Prime 18 March, 2015, 01:37:17 PM
People who walk down the street playing music on their phones.
Why do you assume the rest of the world wants to hear what you like listening to?
Get some drokking headphones! >:(

Annoying alright, but sure it's normally just teenagers, and they'd likely annoy us over something else anyway!

I jog the same circuit near my home on a regular basis, and often bump into a charming old man, 75+ years old, out walking the same circuit while carrying a large-ish radio in his hand and listening to RTE Radio 1 on full blast.
I've never been able to muster anything less than a hello and a smile for him.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: sheridan 18 March, 2015, 02:21:37 PM
my gears grind my gears, after dusting off the pushbike after a year in hibernation I remembered the gears are crap, probably my technical ineptitude as its a nordend mountain bike, I don't need all those gears and the handle bar mounted changer is annoying it keeps slipping and chucking me in the wrong gear wich is annoying going up hill when it suddenly becomes impossible to pedal or on a flat when I suddenly go into hill climb gear causing me to nearly come off due to foot slippage.

If you replace your chain, it may work better. You may have to replace the derailleurs (gears) too, maybe front or back. Depends how much wear. But replacing your chain will keep wear and tear on the rest down to a minimum... as will cleaning it after use or oiling it up before you start out after hibernation.

Still I am one to talk I never get around to doing this myself due to lazyness :)


Pro tip: use old toothbrushes for cleaning chains (I never throw a toothbrush away - well, not until it's covered in grease, grit and oil).
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Richmond Clements 18 March, 2015, 02:51:30 PM


(I never throw a toothbrush away - well, not until it's covered in grease, grit and oil).

And then you start using it on your bike, right?
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: ZenArcade 18 March, 2015, 03:31:46 PM
 :lol: oh Richmond! Z
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: NapalmKev 19 March, 2015, 09:30:58 AM
My Workplace is starting to grind my gears.

My section accounts for around 80% of our total sales but we still need to do more!

What a Fucking crock of Shit!

Cheers
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: TordelBack 19 March, 2015, 10:09:57 AM
That's sales for you. This quarter's shining sceptre of success is next quarter's shitty stick to beat you with. More, more, MORE!
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Hawkmumbler 19 March, 2015, 10:21:19 AM
Pretty much why I hate working in retail.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Hawkmumbler 12 April, 2015, 01:47:31 PM
"Everyone is entitled to their opinion weather you like it or not".

Yes, but if that opinion is Daily Mail level stupid based on self fulfilling lies and vitriol created by the opposing party in the first place, then that is not an opinion it's you being an arse hole.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Theblazeuk 12 April, 2015, 02:59:57 PM
The only true response:

"Yep, and in my opinion you're a ****."
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Mister Pops 12 April, 2015, 04:12:00 PM
Everyone IS entitled to make up their own opinion, but nobody's entitled to make up their own facts.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: IAMTHESYSTEM 12 April, 2015, 04:25:06 PM
Everyone IS entitled to make up their own opinion, but nobody's entitled to make up their own facts.

But my facts are the only ones that are true. Not a quote just my cynicism.There is a Christian group in America, Christian's against Dinosaurs that believes fossil evidence of Dinosaurs is a lie and should not be taught in schools. People will just move,ignore or re write the facts to suit their pre-existing agendas.

Against stupidity the Gods themselves contend in vain...
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: JamesC 12 April, 2015, 07:35:53 PM
If everyone's opinion was equal you wouldn't have to go to the Doctor to ask whether the lump on your balls was serious - you could just ask your mates down the pub.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: radiator 14 April, 2015, 08:06:26 PM
THIS:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvewGmGO06Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvewGmGO06Q)
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: CrazyFoxMachine 19 April, 2015, 06:16:13 PM
A pricky colleague of mine who also texts a lot has this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SwNXQMoNps

as a text tone and it has sort of ruined the whole film for me if not Eric Idle as a man and the entire of Monty Python as a troupe and a phenomenon. I'VE BURNT ALL MY DVDS AND THE BOK AND EVERYTHING.

ALSO THE COLLEAGUE AND THE PHONE.

If anyone needs me I'll be hiding out on the moors.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Hawkmumbler 19 April, 2015, 07:37:23 PM
Some gobshite of a parents thought it would be a good idea to let my little brother and her child play Five Nights at Freddys. He's now weeping uncontrollably in bed and refuses to do anything else. He's scared beyond belief. I'm fucking furious.  >:(
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: ZenArcade 19 April, 2015, 09:25:59 PM
Don't know what Five Nights at Freddys is Hawk. But a scared, fretful child is not a nice situation. Z
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Hawkmumbler 19 April, 2015, 09:36:31 PM
It's a horror game. Not a particularly gory one but it has an intense atmosphere and one hell of a set of jump scares. Not suitable for a 7 year old at all.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: DaveGYNWA 19 April, 2015, 09:41:33 PM
A pricky colleague of mine who also texts a lot has this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SwNXQMoNps

as a text tone and it has sort of ruined the whole film for me if not Eric Idle as a man and the entire of Monty Python as a troupe and a phenomenon. I'VE BURNT ALL MY DVDS AND THE BOK AND EVERYTHING.

ALSO THE COLLEAGUE AND THE PHONE.

If anyone needs me I'll be hiding out on the moors.

A couple of hours ago I clicked on that link. I then got the DVD out and watched the film again. I've totally lost count how many views now.....well in excess of 200. Nothing can ruin it for me.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Mattofthespurs 20 April, 2015, 07:36:21 AM
It's a horror game. Not a particularly gory one but it has an intense atmosphere and one hell of a set of jump scares. Not suitable for a 7 year old at all.

My Son plays this. He's 11. When he first showed it to me made me jump out of my skin.

Definitely not suitable for a 7 year old.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Spaceghost 20 April, 2015, 07:55:23 AM
It's a horror game. Not a particularly gory one but it has an intense atmosphere and one hell of a set of jump scares. Not suitable for a 7 year old at all.

My Son plays this. He's 11. When he first showed it to me made me jump out of my skin.

Definitely not suitable for a 7 year old.

I think it depends on the child. My 7 year old daughter absolutely loves FNAF.

She loves any scary bits in films too. She made me rewind and rewatch the scene in The Dark Crystal where the little goblin has his life-force sucked out 3 times. And after being pestered for ages, I relented and let her watch Poltergeist on the proviso that if she was even slightly uncomfortable at any point, I would turn it off.

She declared it "funny, not scary".

She was utterly terrified of the doll monsters in Doctor Who though.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: radiator 12 May, 2015, 10:48:24 PM
Friends/acquaintances who always try to ask if they can borrow/leach off of your Netflix or HBO login details.

Just get your own damn subscription, you bloody cheapskate. It's really not expensive.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Professor Bear 13 May, 2015, 12:45:28 AM
Doesn't it cost you absolutely nothing at all if they use your login details?
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Theblazeuk 13 May, 2015, 08:20:10 AM
You'd at least offer half the subscription though wouldn't you?

I am slightly spoiled on this matter as my Dad has it all and blood is thicker than water. Used to split it in my shared house (and for about 4 months after we left I carried on using it as no one was the wiser :) )
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Jim_Campbell 13 May, 2015, 08:30:22 AM
Doesn't it cost you absolutely nothing at all if they use your login details?

I don't think that's the point, is it? The point is more: how is revenue raised for future productions if people who want to watch the content won't pony up the price of entry?

I won't give Sky my money just to get Sky Atlantic for Game of Thrones, but I'll happily buy each series box set on the week of release as a way of trying to get some of my money to the people who actually produced the content.

Cheers

Jim
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Professor Bear 13 May, 2015, 11:26:44 AM
All I saw was a complaint about paupers.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Theblazeuk 13 May, 2015, 12:55:43 PM
Cheapskates/Skinflints/Tightarses ≠ paupers.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: SuperSurfer 13 May, 2015, 03:29:10 PM
Cheapskates/Skinflints/Tightarses ≠ paupers.
From my experience:
Cheapskates/Skinflints/Tightarses = rich.
I do know some exceptions to the (above) rule but generally that seems to be the case.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: von Boom 13 May, 2015, 04:44:25 PM
Cheapskates/Skinflints/Tightarses ≠ paupers.
From my experience:
Cheapskates/Skinflints/Tightarses = rich.
I do know some exceptions to the (above) rule but generally that seems to be the case.

Too true. The rich don't get that way by spending money.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Jimmy Baker's Assistant 16 May, 2015, 08:04:09 AM
I've long been uncontrollably enraged when somebody uses the phrases "Finally saw" to talk about a movie that's been in cinemas for about 3 days, or that is so obscure even the director's family hasn't heard about it.

However, this morning I've seen a perfectly tolerable update on social media that "watched They Came Together last night" ruined by the reply "you took your time".

AAAARGH, I'LL WATCH FILMS IN MY OWN TIME, AND NOT AT ALL IF I'M NOT INTERESTED IN THEM OR HAVEN'T EVERN HEARD ABOUT THEM. LEAVE ME ALONE.

Sorry, I realise it may just be me that gets upset about this.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Jim_Campbell 18 May, 2015, 08:58:23 AM
…Posters constantly changing their usernames.

I'm sorry, but I should't have to go to your profile and look at your posting history just to try and figure out who the fuck you were posting as yesterday.

Bah.

Jim
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: JayzusB.Christ 18 May, 2015, 09:08:09 AM
I was really tempted to make the inevitable 'joke' of changing my boardname purely for this post, but I couldn't be arsed.  I'll let Sauchie/Butch/Whatever do it instead.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: CrazyFoxMachine 18 May, 2015, 09:39:22 AM
Bear... or Shark. Or BearShark. That's Sauchie isn't it, right?

I think they're all just Sc*j* frankly.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Professor Bear 18 May, 2015, 10:03:27 AM
Jim Campbell's wound up - must be Monday.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Hawkmumbler 18 May, 2015, 11:09:51 AM
Bear... or Shark. Or BearShark. That's Sauchie isn't it, right?

I think they're all just Sc*j* frankly.
Sc*j* seem's to have finally shuffled off entirely. Haven't seen any incarnation of him across the net for a good year now...

but I fo agree with Jim, name changes are getting really confusing at this point.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Jim_Campbell 18 May, 2015, 11:24:01 AM
Sc*j* seem's to have finally shuffled off entirely. Haven't seen any incarnation of him across the net for a good year now...

He's hanging around the ECBT blog's comment section of late, going on about how Rob Williams can't write Dredd.

*sigh*

Jim
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Professor Bear 18 May, 2015, 11:47:07 AM
Rob Williams has injured his hands?
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: ZenArcade 18 May, 2015, 12:22:53 PM
Hear, hear. Give the bastards nothing. As an aside the profile names are at an all time high: BearShark, just priceless!! Z
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: JamesC 02 June, 2015, 11:49:15 AM
People who have badly fitted toilet seats which require you to hold them up with one hand while having a wee. Or worse, ones that you think are safely lent against the cistern but then drop down with a slam halfway through, splashing in the piss stream on the way.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Link Prime 02 June, 2015, 11:59:55 AM
Or worse, ones that you think are safely lent against the cistern but then drop down with a slam halfway through, splashing in the piss stream on the way.

There's also a worse possible outcome...
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: The Legendary Shark 02 June, 2015, 12:26:29 PM
I always thought those toilet seats that won't stay up were a feminist plot.
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: Hawkmumbler 02 June, 2015, 12:32:19 PM
Mayor is White Falcon now?
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: Grugz 02 June, 2015, 06:52:10 PM
my gran's loo was a chopper chopper... luckily they had an outside one too so I was still able to have kids...also I remember the stairs in my grans house were bloody steep I fell a couple of times as a kid never mind when I grew big clown feet.
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: Hawkmumbler 23 June, 2015, 11:43:18 AM
I know I bring up the subject of sexual discrimination a lot but....the anti-pride sentiment ussualy starting with these words....

"You don't see a straight pride festival"

It's be ause you don't fucking need it. Your nit an oppressed minority, your never living in fear for your life, you don't have to be constantly put under scrutiny or stereotyped.
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: Mister Pops 23 June, 2015, 01:35:00 PM
The Gay Pride parade in Belfast is all wrong.

You're not supposed to have a parade here without an accompanying riot. Get it together gays
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: Mattofthespurs 25 June, 2015, 07:07:02 AM
Or worse, ones that you think are safely lent against the cistern but then drop down with a slam halfway through, splashing in the piss stream on the way.

There's also a worse possible outcome...

We have one of those in our house. If you step on a certain floorboard whilst urinating the seat comes slamming down. We call it 'The Willy Whacker'.
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: JPMaybe 25 June, 2015, 03:19:02 PM
Talking of micturition/toilet-seat woes, what about when you're taking a dump as a matter of urgency and you manage to wazz through the gap between the seat and the bowl all over your trousers and shoes. I can't be the only one this has happened to.

...right?
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: Dandontdare 25 June, 2015, 04:02:23 PM
Talking of micturition/toilet-seat woes, what about when you're taking a dump as a matter of urgency and you manage to wazz through the gap between the seat and the bowl all over your trousers and shoes. I can't be the only one this has happened to.

...right?

Ah yes, the Morning-Semi Overshoot Phenomena, very nasty.

My friend had a toilet seat with an almost invisible crack so that unless you sat in a specific position it nipped your arse.
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: NapalmKev 25 June, 2015, 04:30:14 PM
Lucky bastards with your Toilet seats. Down 'ere in the South-West we still Shit and piss in a hole in the back garden.

Seriously though, I've had the 'piss through the gap in the seat' scenario, landing on my trousers just before my shift started at work. Great fun.

Cheers
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: radiator 25 June, 2015, 05:38:24 PM
I've genuinely always wondered whether those toilet seats were just badly fitted or actually deliberately set up like that to stop people leaving the seat up...?
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: Mardroid 26 June, 2015, 09:27:49 AM
We don't have seats on our work toilets.

On the plus side, there's no gap to accidentally pee through.

Bit cold for the botty though, unless you don't mind doing the 'hover bomb' thing.
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: Something Fishy 26 June, 2015, 09:32:08 AM
Lucky bastards with your Toilet seats. Down 'ere in the South-West we still Shit and piss in a hole in the back garden.

Seriously though, I've had the 'piss through the gap in the seat' scenario, landing on my trousers just before my shift started at work. Great fun.

Cheers

you must be in the posh part of the south west.  down here in cornwall we live down in the bleddy oles and buggers from up country piss n shit on us.
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: Spaceghost 26 June, 2015, 09:37:39 AM
To be positioned to piss through the gap between seat and porcelain, I imagine you would have to have a very small penis. You have my sympathies.
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: JPMaybe 26 June, 2015, 09:45:54 AM
I'm a grower, not a shower.  Plus if it's a cold day.
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: Spaceghost 06 July, 2015, 10:01:58 PM
People typing THEN when they really mean THAN.

 "Judge Dredd is much more handsome then Batman"

"Then Batman what? Oh, you mean JD is more handsome THAN Batman. Well why don't you fucking say that then you utter moron?"

It's usually Americans too, as if their litany of sins wasn't fucking big enough already.
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: Fungus 06 July, 2015, 11:40:02 PM
People typing THEN when they really mean THAN.

Yeah, what is that? In the same vein, 'could of'. As in, "I could of read this shit before I hit [send] and it sounds almost right anyway".

Oh, and it's. Which most of the time people seem to get wrong. I'm thinking it bugs me because adding the apostrophe is actually more work; you've done extra work in order to get it wrong. Man.
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: sheridan 07 July, 2015, 07:41:37 AM
People typing THEN when they really mean THAN.

Yeah, what is that? In the same vein, 'could of'. As in, "I could of read this shit before I hit [send] and it sounds almost right anyway".
Definitely - sets my teeth on edge whenever I see (or hear) someone making that mistake.
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: SmallBlueThing 07 July, 2015, 08:36:27 AM
Both of those are forgivable though.  "Could of" seems to be a consequence of the contraction "could've", which sounds more like "could of" than "could have", and so is a reasonable mistake to make.

As for "its"- while it's annoying no doubt,  I find I can lay the blame for my usage of the wrong type firmly at the feet of my bloody smartphone, which corrects "its" to "it's" everytime without fail, despite it being the second choice in the list of potentials the screen throws up.  The word being only three letters long and correctly spelled both ways and so not underlined in red,  it often slips past my notice. 

People who say "pacific" rather than "specific" however,  they deserve a spanking. 

SBT
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: I, Cosh 07 July, 2015, 09:09:26 AM
People typing THEN when they really mean THAN.

 "Judge Dredd is much more handsome then Batman"
Never seen this in my life before, but it would most certainly annoy me.

Both of those are forgivable though.  "Could of" seems to be a consequence of the contraction "could've", which sounds more like "could of" than "could have", and so is a reasonable mistake to make.
It's obviously phonetic spelling (depending on where you live) but that doesn't make it any less irritating.
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: Fungus 07 July, 2015, 09:14:05 AM
then/than is very common, I'm sure you've enountered it but breezed past it before the full horror sank in  :)  First website I looked at this morning after this thread had some comments, and there it was again. Vindication!
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: hippynumber1 07 July, 2015, 09:27:46 AM
People who describe an increased heart rate (or anything else quick for that matter) as beating "10 to the dozen!" Listen to what you're saying idiots! The phrase is '19 to the dozen' as in a normal heart will beat 12 to the dozen but mine was so quick it beat 19 times in the same period! 10 to the dozen means it's beating slowly! Morons!
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: SuperSurfer 07 July, 2015, 12:45:27 PM
When botch up merchants screw something up and when that is pointed out to them, say the person correcting them is a "perfectionist". The botch up merchant's motto of choice.

No, just keep it as it was. There is no need for you to change the typeface and jumble up the paragraphs. It is easier to keep it as it was.
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: Mister Pops 07 July, 2015, 05:32:08 PM
People who describe an increased heart rate (or anything else quick for that matter) as beating "10 to the dozen!" Listen to what you're saying idiots! The phrase is '19 to the dozen' as in a normal heart will beat 12 to the dozen but mine was so quick it beat 19 times in the same period! 10 to the dozen means it's beating slowly! Morons!

I thought it was ninety to the dozen.
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: hippynumber1 07 July, 2015, 06:09:07 PM
At least you went in the right direction!
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: Mister Pops 07 July, 2015, 07:23:01 PM
Maybe I just get a better exchange rate...
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: CrazyFoxMachine 07 July, 2015, 10:56:25 PM
A colleague today was the first person I've seen so far to utterly despise Mad Max: Fury Road...

...also he's an incredible misogynist. I wasn't immediately sure if the famously blatant feminist streak in the film was what irked him particularly but as he grappled to put his finger on why exactly he didn't enjoy it to such a strong degree it started to become more obvious.

"Jumped up... silly modern nonsense. Not at all what Mad Max should be about. Just... a disgrace to the name." He spluttered, confused and sad.

(http://www.etonline.com/movies/2015/05/24154589/GIF_mad_max_press_conference_1.gif)
(http://www.etonline.com/movies/2015/05/24154591/GIF_mad_max_press_conference_3.gif)
(http://www.etonline.com/movies/2015/05/24154590/GIF_mad_max_press_conference_2.gif)
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: radiator 07 July, 2015, 11:17:42 PM
I've mentioned this before, but people who self-righteously post and share weird things on facebook and instagram to 'protest' or 'challenge' the respective companies limitations on what is deemed acceptable to post. Seems to be happening more and more recently.

I get the point, I just think it's not one worth making.
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: Theblazeuk 08 July, 2015, 10:42:40 AM
"Jumped up... silly modern nonsense. Not at all what Mad Max should be about. Just... a disgrace to the name." He spluttered, confused and sad.

 :lol:
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: Goaty 10 July, 2015, 09:17:38 PM
Ugh...

(http://i.imgur.com/Y4ZG1lB.jpg)
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: Dandontdare 10 July, 2015, 09:23:34 PM
what's the problem?
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: Goaty 10 July, 2015, 09:26:54 PM
The vehicle.
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: Dandontdare 10 July, 2015, 09:29:23 PM
Phew! glad it's not a racist or misogynist thing!  :lol:
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: Mister Pops 10 July, 2015, 10:21:14 PM
Shitposting.

As in throwing up pictures/memes without really contibuting anything to any discussion. One step below clickbait.

E.G.

(http://www.davincilife.com/mona-lisa.jpg)

Here is a picture that everyone has seen and anyone could easily find with the briefest of Googles.
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: radiator 10 July, 2015, 10:47:13 PM
People with bad breath.

Just spent an hour sitting with a client whose breath was so overpoweringly rank I was actually suppressing the urge to gag throughout.

How can people be so unaware of things like this? Brush your teeth. Buy some mints. Jesus.
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: Mister Pops 10 July, 2015, 10:56:16 PM
People with bad breath.

Just spent an hour sitting with a client whose breath was so overpoweringly rank I was actually suppressing the urge to gag throughout.

How can people be so unaware of things like this? Brush your teeth. Buy some mints. Jesus.

I worked in a Hotel once. 10 hours into a 12 hour shift, my manager, who everyone hated talking to because of his precipitating, putrid, gaping crypt of a mouth, told me (TEN hours into a shift no less) that I could do with a shower. That little shit questioned my hygiene? My reaction ensured I didn't work in that hotel anymore.
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: hippynumber1 11 July, 2015, 05:53:22 PM
This has been bugging the hell out of me for a while now: these digital subcription services that offer you the opportunity to watch 'complete box sets' of a tv series. It's not a box set if it's not in a fecking box! It's stupid some of the little, unimportant things that wind me up!
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: The Legendary Shark 11 July, 2015, 06:54:49 PM
I know what you mean. People insist on calling a five pound note money but it's not - it's a promissory note, dammit!
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: hippynumber1 11 July, 2015, 07:39:07 PM
I've always wanted to go into a bank with a handful of promissory notes and ask for my money.
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: radiator 11 July, 2015, 08:28:13 PM
This has been bugging the hell out of me for a while now: these digital subcription services that offer you the opportunity to watch 'complete box sets' of a tv series. It's not a box set if it's not in a fecking box! It's stupid some of the little, unimportant things that wind me up!

Seems like such a weird thing to be annoyed by, cos if you follow that logic to its conclusion you'd have to throw out just about every other noun in the English language. A lot of words bear little resemblance to their original literal meaning.
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: hippynumber1 11 July, 2015, 08:29:35 PM
I know, I know. I didn't say it was rational. I think I'm just getting old!  :lol:
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: Link Prime 13 July, 2015, 11:04:44 AM
This has been bugging the hell out of me for a while now: these digital subcription services that offer you the opportunity to watch 'complete box sets' of a tv series. It's not a box set if it's not in a fecking box! It's stupid some of the little, unimportant things that wind me up!

Seems like such a weird thing to be annoyed by, cos if you follow that logic to its conclusion you'd have to throw out just about every other noun in the English language. A lot of words bear little resemblance to their original literal meaning.

I do like being able to tape dem box-sets.
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: radiator 17 August, 2015, 04:48:13 PM
This. Everything that's bad about the internet and modern media in one news article.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/fat-jew-josh-ostrovsky-signs-815198 (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/fat-jew-josh-ostrovsky-signs-815198)

For clarity - this guy is not a 'comedian' as such. He could best be described as an internet 'personality' who rose to prominence by simply reposting other people's jokes, memes and amusing pictures, usually without making any reference to (or deliberately removing) the original source's credit.

So he's essentially a bot, who's now been signed by one of the biggest agencies in Hollywood.
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: Hawkmumbler 17 August, 2015, 05:41:01 PM
My job. Or at least my retail job (primery source of income). I'm just sick of it. Sick of the rudeness from customers looking down at you, sick of the passive aggressiveness between staff, sick of the pathetic excuse for a wage that i'm lucky to see on time for payday. Today was the final straw. I'm tendering my resignation.
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: The Legendary Shark 17 August, 2015, 08:05:03 PM
I'd find another job first, Hawkie - it's none of my business I know, but in my experience it's generally easier to find a job when you've already got one.
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: TordelBack 17 August, 2015, 09:11:16 PM
I'd find another job first, Hawkie - it's none of my business I know, but in my experience it's generally easier to find a job when you've already got one.

This is absolutely true, and good advice IMHO. 

It is also good advice to leave a job that's making you miserable, but Sharkie's observation trumps it temporarily.
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: ZenArcade 17 August, 2015, 09:27:48 PM
Act in haste; repent at....you know the rest kiddo. Z
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: CrazyFoxMachine 17 August, 2015, 09:43:11 PM
So he's essentially a bot, who's now been signed by one of the biggest agencies in Hollywood.

aaaaand... that ended fast http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/259879/fat-jew-comedy-central-development-cancel/

and Hawk - DO leap absolutely you're better than that shit job but DO look first fergawdssakes. You're in the "government actively hates you if you're unemployed" age bracket!!
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: M.I.K. 17 August, 2015, 10:49:09 PM
18 - 65?
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: Fungus 17 August, 2015, 10:52:09 PM
Act in haste; repent at....you know the rest kiddo. Z

But it's not haste. Hawk has endured a shitty job and knows his mind. As Sharky-ex-Falcon says, find something better and then jump. All the  best.
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: Mister Pops 18 August, 2015, 01:28:46 AM
I'm going with everyone else on this Hawk. If you have already have a job, interviews are much easier. You can act like you don't need them and they'd be lucky to tempt you away from your current job. They don't need to know how much you hate your current job.
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: sheridan 18 August, 2015, 08:00:13 AM
18 - 65?

You wish - SPA is up to 68 now, depending on when you were born.
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: TordelBack 18 August, 2015, 05:55:50 PM
18 - 65?

You wish - SPA is up to 68 now, depending on when you were born.

And rising. Dying in harness is the best outcome for the State.
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: Grugz 19 August, 2015, 01:49:19 PM
They made a massive hoo haa about killing the go compare man off then bring him back!
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: Professor Bear 19 August, 2015, 03:57:03 PM
What grinds my gears is people modifying listed buildings they own by building a patio onto it... made from tombstones taken from the graves of children. (http://boingboing.net/2015/08/19/millionaire-fined-after-using.html)
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: IAMTHESYSTEM 19 August, 2015, 04:23:45 PM
Blimey what sort of person would do that? Truly shocking and creepy.
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: Grugz 19 August, 2015, 08:56:58 PM
 evil,evil man
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: radiator 03 November, 2015, 03:00:12 AM
I love drawing, but trying to capture a likeness of someone makes me want to claw my own eyes out with frustration. It's so bloody hard i honestly don't know how people do it. One wrong misplaced line and it all goes down the shitter. Often, best-case scenario is the resulting drawing ends up looking like an unintentionally mean caricature.
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: Hawkmumbler 03 November, 2015, 09:13:13 AM
I love drawing, but trying to capture a likeness of someone makes me want to claw my own eyes out with frustration. It's so bloody hard i honestly don't know how people do it. One wrong misplaced line and it all goes down the shitter. Often, best-case scenario is the resulting drawing ends up looking like an unintentionally mean caricature.
This is why I have decided to avoid going for realism with any picture I draw in my free time. Realism can be taught over time and with many a life drawing class, finding your style and what works for you should take priority.

With That beind said, i'm still completely shit so my advice is best not taken! :lol:
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: Proudhuff 03 November, 2015, 09:46:10 AM
18 - 65?

You wish - SPA is up to 68 now, depending on when you were born.

And rising. Dying in harness is the best outcome for the State.


(http://flickfeast.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Animal-Farm.jpg)
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: Fungus 03 November, 2015, 09:54:54 AM
I love drawing, but trying to capture a likeness of someone makes me want to claw my own eyes out with frustration. It's so bloody hard i honestly don't know how people do it. One wrong misplaced line and it all goes down the shitter. Often, best-case scenario is the resulting drawing ends up looking like an unintentionally mean caricature.
This is why I have decided to avoid going for realism with any picture I draw in my free time. Realism can be taught over time and with many a life drawing class, finding your style and what works for you should take priority.

With That beind said, i'm still completely shit so my advice is best not taken! :lol:

Disagree on that, I'm afraid. You can be Mick McMahon or draw mad robots or whatever else for fun, but the point of life drawing for me is to get accurate. Get as damn near realistic as you can and take what you've learnt into whatever else you do. Lots of artists take these classes, and that's the reason, often it's a million miles away from their 'style'. Took a class last night and though results weren't great it's rare you don't learn a bit at least.

Portraits are bloody hard - and bloody rewarding. Endlessly worthwhile. As artists are prone to say, just keep at it I guess.
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: radiator 03 November, 2015, 03:44:38 PM
I love drawing, but trying to capture a likeness of someone makes me want to claw my own eyes out with frustration. It's so bloody hard i honestly don't know how people do it. One wrong misplaced line and it all goes down the shitter. Often, best-case scenario is the resulting drawing ends up looking like an unintentionally mean caricature.
This is why I have decided to avoid going for realism with any picture I draw in my free time. Realism can be taught over time and with many a life drawing class, finding your style and what works for you should take priority.


With That beind said, i'm still completely shit so my advice is best not taken! :lol:

I should clarify - capturing a likeness in a 'realistic' drawing is tough, but i can usually manage it. Where things get really difficult for me is trying to translate that to my own drawing style, which is quite sparse and i have to adhere to certain 'rules'. You have to really boil down someones features while subtly exaggerating some of them - all well and good when you're trying to draw someone famous with an unmistakably iconic look - infinitely harder if your subject is quite ordinary looking and their defining features are much harder to nail down. I suppose this is why most celebrity cameos look only passably like themselves on The Simpsons, for example.

I also agree with Fungus - you're only going to have a chance at it if you have a decent grounding in life drawing.
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: Hawkmumbler 12 November, 2015, 03:12:03 PM
Some scumbag on Facebook (some toss rag I knew in high school and should have unfriended long ago) just appeared out of the blue with a long post deffending the 1st Para's actions on Bloody sunday. Absolutely fucking disgusting, and promptly unfriended.
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: TordelBack 12 November, 2015, 03:14:06 PM
I didn't think even the Paras did that anymore.
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: Mister Pops 12 November, 2015, 03:44:06 PM
I suppose this was related to the story that one of those paras murderers was arrested earlier this week?
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: Hawkmumbler 12 November, 2015, 03:54:54 PM
Yes, though I believe he has since been released on bail. Multiple eye witness account point to him having shot and killed three protesters, as young as 19, and injured another attemtping to rescue a victem.

Make's my blood boil anyone could deffend the farce as anything other than a act of illegal force.
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: Old Tankie 12 November, 2015, 06:18:44 PM
As suspected IRA  killers get nice letters.
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: Hawkmumbler 12 November, 2015, 06:29:04 PM
Their was no evidence that the victims where IRA killers.nit was a piecful demonstration. None of the victems had criminal records amounting to anything other than minor scuffles, most where completely innocent. Stop apologising for a major military blunder that the cunts refuse to apologise for.
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: Old Tankie 12 November, 2015, 06:38:34 PM
Calm down, I'm not referring to what you are.
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: ZenArcade 12 November, 2015, 09:39:27 PM
Not the best day Ireland ever had thats for sure, but let Justice take its course. Z
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: Hawkmumbler 12 November, 2015, 09:46:34 PM
Their was no evidence that the victims where IRA killers.nit was a piecful demonstration. None of the victems had criminal records amounting to anything other than minor scuffles, most where completely innocent. Stop apologising for a major military blunder that the cunts refuse to apologise for.
This was a knee jerk reaction on a very touchy subject. I should never have exploded like that, I apologise, Tankie.
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: Old Tankie 12 November, 2015, 10:03:00 PM
No problem at all mate, thank you.
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: Mister Pops 12 November, 2015, 11:12:45 PM
Calm down, I'm not referring to what you are.

Yes, that's called whataboutery. It's not very constructive, and the main reason The Stormont Assembly lurches from crisis to crisis.

It's like two people trapped in a lift together, who used to argue about who farted, until one day, both sides concede that they both farted.

Then they started arguing about whose smells the worst.

Except it's not farts. It's mayhem, maiming and murder. At least farts are funny.
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: Old Tankie 13 November, 2015, 12:01:03 AM
So why have you made a comment then?
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: Professor Bear 13 November, 2015, 12:39:05 AM
You only think that the murder and mayhem of the Troubles wasn't funny because the only comedy show to come out of it was Give My Head Peace.
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: Mister Pops 13 November, 2015, 12:40:46 AM
You only think that the murder and mayhem of the Troubles wasn't funny because the only comedy show to come out of it was The Nolan Show.

FTFY
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: JayzusB.Christ 14 November, 2015, 08:51:55 PM
The IRA were responsible for some truly evil acts of barbarism.  That didn't make it OK for soldiers to murder innocent people. I can't think of anything more to say about it than that.
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: Mister Pops 14 November, 2015, 10:33:11 PM
The biggest tragedy about Our Wee Country is that thoroughly decent people have been caught up in the crossfire between two irredeemable extemist showers of cunts. I fear the same tragedy is going to start playing out over a global scale after yesterday's events.
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: ZenArcade 14 November, 2015, 10:40:21 PM
What he said.....just wait, the tipping point into a new world of fear and mistrust and all of the associate bastardyness is a couple of more Paris shootings away (if not already here). Z
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: TordelBack 15 November, 2015, 09:18:09 AM
Having this particular perspective on events is very depressing - I read the Irish comment threads and it's like ISIS have just given the usual bigots the best blow-job of their lives. 6 million Muslims in France (most having their roots in French colonies, of course, but never mind that), and the spittle-flecked invective is send 'em all home, lock 'em all up, animals, dogs... And not one jot learnt from our own miserable history, just a chance to strut and shout , play the victim and call out the weak.
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: Tjm86 15 November, 2015, 10:13:17 AM
Ultimately though isn't that what ISIS are after?  Provoke outrage and knee jerk reactions to show that they are right and that Western Civilisation needs to be conquered?

On the subject of Bloody Sunday, I do wonder at the parallels with My Lai.  An atrocity committed by young men, poorly led and completely out of their depth.  Involved in a conflict that they should never have been involved in to begin with.  This is not to say that their actions were justified but as Tordelback says, 'not one jot learnt from ... history' and ultimately some poor bar steward of a squaddie is in the line for a murder conviction.
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: TordelBack 15 November, 2015, 11:08:30 AM
Another aspect of reaction  to the Paris nightmare that bothers me is the apparent obliviousness of commentators to the fact that France is already at war with IS, and that is the immediate context for all this. And bear in mind that the political cassus beli in this instance was that poor child on the beach, and the need to stop the flow of refugees.

France have had a dozen jets carrying out airstrikes on training camps and oil distribution centres and have recently committed an aircraft carrier. Why is it surprising that the barbarians that they are using their high-tech military against should use their own specific assets (radicalised French citizens) against them.  Now don't get me wrong, IS has to be opposed and for personal preference be utterly destroyed,  but it seems foolish to expect to do so militarily without consequences, just because you have the better guns.

And yes, I agree completely, the military value of massacring civilians is to encourage division, hate and repression, thus increasing marginalisation and radicalization. That's pretty much Chapter 1 in the NI scumbag handbook. Hopefully Hollande and chums have a copy to hand.
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: TordelBack 15 November, 2015, 11:17:53 AM
Sp: "casus belli"

Autocorrect being wilfully unhelpful there by inventing Latin words. Also, maybe this last topic or two have now headed in the direction of the Politics Thread, although by grud they do grind my gears.
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: Tjm86 15 November, 2015, 11:31:25 AM
Fair point.  This has strayed into the politics thread so maybe we are now in the Threadjacking thread ...

Also the air strikes in Syria / Iraq had been going on a lot longer than the image of Aylan Al-kurdi on the beach.  The effect was, you correctly note, to escalate the campaign.  Unfortunately a lot of the lessons of the twentieth century regarding conflict against a disbursed, poorly equipped opponent seem to have been ignored.  It is worth remembering that the only successful action of this kind was in Burma and the reason for the success was the Ghurkas.  The French engagement in Indochina in the fifties and early sixties is probably more reminiscent of what is happening now, with the added complexity of an opponent that is not geographically bound.
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: JayzusB.Christ 15 November, 2015, 12:58:21 PM
 :lol:
Ultimately though isn't that what ISIS are after?  Provoke outrage and knee jerk reactions to show that they are right and that Western Civilisation needs to be conquered?

On the subject of Bloody Sunday, I do wonder at the parallels with My Lai.  An atrocity committed by young men, poorly led and completely out of their depth.  Involved in a conflict that they should never have been involved in to begin with.  This is not to say that their actions were justified but as Tordelback says, 'not one jot learnt from ... history' and ultimately some poor bar steward of a squaddie is in the line for a murder conviction.

Hmm. Regarding both the My Lai and the Derry massacres, my sympathies lie very much with the victims and their bereaved families, and far less with the murderers - which is what they are, no matter how young, inexperienced and badly led they may be. 

Apologies for the Godwinisation of the thread, but 'I was only following orders' didn't hold up at Nuremberg, and it doesn't hold up now.

But Tordelback's right, maybe this should be kept for the Politics thread.
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: TordelBack 15 November, 2015, 02:15:37 PM
Also the air strikes in Syria / Iraq had been going on a lot longer than the image of Aylan Al-kurdi on the beach.  The effect was, you correctly note, to escalate the campaign. 

My impression was that France only started strikes in Syria at that point (although it had previously been active in Iraq), but to be honest it's not something I follow closely. I've been keeping up with the civil war side of things in Syria, but somehow my mind recoils from matters to do with Islamic State, possibly because I feel my emotions are being manipulated non-stop by both sides: I feel guilty when I'm horrified at Palmyra etc. being destroyed and have to remind myself that these are only stones, and not equal to one of the lives being lost and ruined everyday, and I'm just responding as predicted to deliberate symbols of cultural warfare.  So I tend to read articles about the economics and politics of it all, and blank the actual fighting.

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: Mister Pops 15 November, 2015, 03:11:18 PM
I'm partly responsible for this tangent. We really should move this to the Shark's Anarchist Utopian Ranting Political thread.
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: ZenArcade 15 November, 2015, 03:50:23 PM
I'll do a move post to the politics thread, as the topic has (for the want of a better word) merit. Z
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: Mardroid 15 November, 2015, 05:08:08 PM
Much less serious than the recent atrocity in France, or the not-so-recent-but well-within-memory, atrocities in Ireland.....


.... People who are noisy eaters. I understand when peoples jaws move there will be bit of sound. And crunching stuff doesn't bother me much. It's that 'squelch-squelch' sound suggesting a person is eating with their mouth open. Yuck.


I had it in mind to post that for a while, but with the recent thing in France it seemed petty and inappropriate. But then I figured,what the hell. Life goes on*, and that includes the little petty things that irritate us every day. This does not mean our hearts don't go out to those families who suffered though. But if that news bogs down everything... that's just another victory for the scumbags. But we won't forget.

Another petty issue:

.... people who boil the kettle, then go somewhere and don't use the water when you want to make yourself a cup of tea. It's like... okay... do I take your water? Do I wait for you to come back and use it? I'm thirsty! Grrr.

That last one is not a big deal and is easily reconciled, but it has been a source of annoyance in the past. Hee hee.

*Well for those victims it doesn't. And those who have been bereaved may feel like there lives are over. I didn't mean my comment to be callous, but I'm sure you understand how I meant it. Sigh. I'm back to being all serious again.
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: TordelBack 15 November, 2015, 05:48:21 PM
Hey, if you can't be unjustifiably pissed off by trivial everyday interactions with your fellow man, the terrorists win.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Mister Pops 15 November, 2015, 06:08:53 PM
Here's one. Can you imagine anyone saying this:

"Hello there vague acquaintance. I am currently experiencing trouble with my plumbing/wiring/car. I have no idea what the problem is and can only give you a vague and unhelpful description of the issues it is causing. It is entirely likely that I caused the problem, but I won't be accepting any responsibility. Now you must use your expertise, experience and qualifications to fix this problem. FOR FREE. Bear in mind, while you attempt to fix it, I will be breathing down your neck, either offering useless and unhelpful advice or complaining about how long it's taking to get fixed. Once you do finally fix it, I won't show any gratitude and I won't take on board any advice you offer to prevent problems in the future. If problems do arise in the future, I will blame you and the hard work you put in to fix it."

That would never happen would it? Unless you replace "plumbing/wiring/car" with "computer". Then that kind of situation happens to me every month or so.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: TordelBack 15 November, 2015, 06:28:40 PM
While by no means a vague acquaintance this is an ongoing problem with my father-in-law.  He has an ancient laptop which he uses in an... idiosyncratic manner, and I have for some reason become the perceived panacea for all its ills (I suspect he's been casting around for some use for me for a quarter century now, and despite no obvious indications to support his conclusions has hit on this).  I keep telling him it's old, and he can't keep pasting multiple 10MB photos into an MS Works document to make brochures for his craft business and hope it will still whisk merrily on, but despite a sharp technical mind he cannot grasp the idea of compressing his images, or using a more capable DTP, or a lighter OS, or buying a new computer

So at every family gathering I get manoeuvred into a corner and forced to commit to resuscitating it. Again.  I've updated XP as far as it'll go (he won't budge), I've jammed in as much ram as I can, I've upgraded the HDD, I've shifted his voluminous files to external storage, I've redirected his insane nest of legacy email addresses, I've pared back the errant toolbars and extensions and background processes, I've scoured it for viruses and malware and unneeded doo-dads... and left explaining that this is just a quick tidy-up, the days are numbered, and one day he will have to move on. 

Until the next time.

And that's not even getting in to keeping his bloody tablet running.

But i appreciate that this is not the 'presumption of a vague acquaintance' situation to with Pops refers.

(Actually in typing all that I've realised how much I enjoy doing all this compu-necromancy, and actually being regarded as useful by man who is otherwise somewhat (if utterly justifiably) judgmental of the ruin I've brought down on his daughter - so it's not really a gear-grinder at all, is it?).
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: JayzusB.Christ 15 November, 2015, 06:41:16 PM
As a professional mural painter, I used to get something similar quite a lot; generally involving being asked to work for free in exchange for 'exposure'. I have since learned to ask the would-be benefactor if he or she would ask a mechanic, electrician or even painter / decorator the same thing; or even if they themselves would do their own job for nothing.
The odd thing is, now that I have quite a bit of 'exposure' through paid work, it's very rare that people ask for free stuff any more.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Mister Pops 15 November, 2015, 07:37:48 PM
Heh, the last thing I want is "exposure" as a reliable IT guy, that would only make my problem worse. The whole "exposure and publicity in lieu of remuneration" seems to be a regular problem for a lot of my musician friends. Ignoring all the all hours of lessons and practice they put in to make their skills marketable, it completely ignores the fact that amps and drumkits etc are big, awkward and/or heavy, so transporting and setting them up is both time consuming and difficult.

And Tordelback, my Dad lectures in computers, so he has taken the mantle of Family IT Guy. He also gave me some of the best trouble-shooting advice ever: Never use possessive pronouns.

So don't say:

"Your problem was caused by all your porn"

Instead say:

"The problem was caused by all this porn"

Although it would probably be best to say nothing where your father-in-law is concerned. ;)
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: sheridan 15 November, 2015, 10:38:22 PM
He also gave me some of the best trouble-shooting advice ever: Never use possessive pronouns.

So don't say:

"Your problem was caused by all your porn"

Instead say:

"The problem was caused by all this porn"

Although it would probably be best to say nothing where your father-in-law is concerned. ;)

Put to best use in Fight Club, of course :-)
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: sheridan 15 November, 2015, 11:01:13 PM
.... People who are noisy eaters. I understand when peoples jaws move there will be bit of sound. And crunching stuff doesn't bother me much. It's that 'squelch-squelch' sound suggesting a person is eating with their mouth open. Yuck.

Yep, basic hygiene / etiquette to keep your mouth closed while chewing.

.... people who boil the kettle, then go somewhere and don't use the water when you want to make yourself a cup of tea. It's like... okay... do I take your water? Do I wait for you to come back and use it? I'm thirsty! Grrr.

Either at home or at work I'll use the water and refill the kettle to a similar level (or as far as it needs filling based on how many prepared cups there might be present).  Though actually, if I'm at home I'll just make the other person's tea/coffee/hot chocolate/whatever.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: sheridan 15 November, 2015, 11:07:05 PM
That would never happen would it? Unless you replace "plumbing/wiring/car" with "computer". Then that kind of situation happens to me every month or so.

Many of my more creative friends get this, from visual artists being asked to design or illustrate something for free, to musical friends being asked if they can provide one of their songs for a soundtrack (advert, animation, short film, etc) gratis.  I've also had writerly friends see their content being used on so-called respectable websites (struggling to remember which ones - I think the Daily Heil was one) without a) permission or b) compensation.
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: SuperSurfer 15 November, 2015, 11:57:32 PM
Free/favours/voluntary work are the bane of my life.

I have a couple of times been referred to as 'the person who does our IT'. No I don't I just happen to use a computer as do millions of other people in their jobs. In fact I did my job for a while in offices that didn't have a single computer in them.

And of course anyone can do my job if they learn Photoshop. Which people seem to think is the only program I use.

If I ever learn how to use Microsoft Word I will become an author.
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: Jim_Campbell 16 November, 2015, 07:21:53 AM
Free/favours/voluntary work are the bane of my life.

I maintain a gmail address solely as a contact method from my blog — I never give it out, and (to the best of my knowledge) it's not listed anywhere else. That means that in order to contact me using it, the contactee must have at least found my blog and clicked on the mail to: link contained in a paragraph of text explaining what I do, and that I won't do it either for free or for 'back end' payment.

So, inevitably, I get an email on that address every couple of weeks that demonstrates that the sender either has no idea what I do, or asking me to do free or back end work.

Bah!

Jim
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: Banners 16 November, 2015, 09:02:02 AM
Free/favours/voluntary work are the bane of my life...

I hear you. With a background in IT, I'm our family's 'go-to guy' for any kind of computer problems, and most of the time I don't mind as that's what families do.

However, now my (sort of) father-in-law has decided to treat himself to a new computer for Xmas, and has asked me to choose one for him, but I honestly don't know where to start. It used to be relatively easy—budget vs. Windows/Mac, desktop/laptop. Now though, there are desktops, laptops, tablets, hybrids, Windows 7, Windows 10, Android, Mac, iOs etc. etc..

I know all the questions to ask (what do you use it for? do you type a lot? etc.) but even with that I'm so stuck as to what to recommend. A Windows 10 machine would seem to be the straightforward choice now, but I think it would be so very confusing to an octogenarian...
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: JayzusB.Christ 16 November, 2015, 10:43:12 AM
Dublin Bus: an odd combination of one of the most expensive bus services I've seen, and one of the worst. Turning up late,  not turning up at all, drivers being pricks to the passengers who pay their wages,  and in a couple of instances I've witnessed,  racism towards black people.

I've missed important meetings and been embarrassingly late for work, friends and dates thanks to Dublin Bus. I try to use them as little as possible, which really shouldn't be the case in a city that's trying to thin out its traffic.

Stick your free Wi-Fi up your arse, Dublin Bus,  and spend our astronomical fares on teaching your drivers manners and how to tell the time.

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: DaveGYNWA 16 November, 2015, 01:00:48 PM
Ah Dublin Bus - oh how I don't miss thee.
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: TordelBack 16 November, 2015, 01:14:16 PM
Ah Dublin Bus - oh how I don't miss thee.

I miss them all the time.
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: paddykafka 16 November, 2015, 01:22:44 PM
Whoever writes up the Dublin Bus Time-tables should be given the Pulitzer prize for Fiction.
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: JayzusB.Christ 16 November, 2015, 04:09:55 PM
I've started a policy of emailing them immediately to demand compensation whenever they turn up insanely late or not at all. They generally send a 20 Euro bus voucher. Please do the same - might as well charge the fuckers for your time.
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: DaveGYNWA 16 November, 2015, 04:31:50 PM
I miss them all the time.

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: The Legendary Shark 16 November, 2015, 05:11:56 PM
Drivers who don't indicate at roundabouts. I mean, do I wait for you or what? Just give us a clue which direction you're planning to take, ffs - the indicator control's RIGHT THERE next to your effing finger. But I guess that finger's up your damned nose or something you selfish, oblivious, dangerous w*nker.
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And, breathe...
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: Dandontdare 16 November, 2015, 05:27:40 PM
the indicator control's RIGHT THERE next to your effing finger.

also drivers who use the action of turning the wheel to click on their indicators - TOO LATE FUCKERS, we want to know when you're GOING TO turn, not that you are already turning!
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: The Legendary Shark 16 November, 2015, 05:35:24 PM
Grr, yes. Also, those fools on the motorway who brake and indicate at the same time.
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Also, now I'm getting a head of steam up (I had a frustrating drive today, in case anyone's wondering), when did it become the norm to indicate left, after overtaking, to return to the inside lane? You only indicate to overtake, not to pull back in again.
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: Tjm86 16 November, 2015, 05:41:12 PM
when did it become the norm to indicate left, after overtaking, to return to the inside lane? You only indicate to overtake, not to pull back in again.

Sorry, I thought that was the correct thing to do.  I'm a firm believer in clearly indicating what you are doing to let other road users know.  Isn't it 'mirror, signal, manoeuvre?'  Granted a lot of the times it is more ... 'manoeuvre, signal, oh shit!' judging by the way some people drive.

Cracking sight joining a dual carriageway on saturday.  Two lanes into one on slip road.  Car in front clearly in a rush but the first of the two cars in the outside lane not so much.  Car behind following and waiting for the opportunity to get clear.  Cut a long story short, sat behind the pair of them watching them running side by side up the slip road and thinking to myself ... "This is going to end in tears and I'm right behind them!"
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: The Legendary Shark 16 November, 2015, 06:08:35 PM
Heh - a good gap is your friend.
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The way I was taught, you indicate to overtake because you're technically changing direction - from the left (cruising lane) to the right (overtaking lane). Once you're safely past, you simply pull back in smoothly without indicating because you're technically now not changing direction but resuming normal direction.
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The only reasons to indicate left on a motorway is if you're exiting, pulling onto the hard shoulder or changing lanes in heavy traffic, for example to avoid an obstacle or negotiate contraflow/roadworks etc.
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: sheridan 16 November, 2015, 06:23:59 PM
the indicator control's RIGHT THERE next to your effing finger.

also drivers who use the action of turning the wheel to click on their indicators - TOO LATE FUCKERS, we want to know when you're GOING TO turn, not that you are already turning!


Even worse than them, the ones who use the action of straightening the wheel to click on the indicators for a split second.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Tjm86 16 November, 2015, 06:58:53 PM
Heh - a good gap is your friend.

And a quick downshift and hit the accelerator!  (unless it's an automatic)

I'm frequently surprised to discover when viewing the specs for new cars that indicators are not, in fact, an optional extra.  <cough> years of driving on British roads had me convinced that not every car came equipped.  Admittedly though, with the exception of Bristol, it is still a saner experience driving in this country than in France.
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: The Enigmatic Dr X 17 November, 2015, 08:02:46 AM
The worst place I've driven is Jersey.

Windy single lane country roads, mostly with ten to twenty foot trees and shrubs at each side and loads of right angle turns. And the locals are either ancient and doddery, doing 20 mph, or psychos.

It's like driving through a maze on a MC1 gameshow.
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: The Legendary Shark 17 November, 2015, 08:40:18 AM


It's like driving through a maze on a MC1 gameshow.
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Consider that idea stolen adapted!
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: JamesC 17 November, 2015, 10:45:35 AM
When Americans use Legos as the plural of Lego.
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: Link Prime 17 November, 2015, 10:04:56 PM
When Americans use Legos as the plural of Lego.

Good one James.
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: radiator 17 November, 2015, 11:15:57 PM
They pronounce it weirdly too - 'Lay-gos'.

I wouldn't say it grinds my gears as such, but I really don't see what all the fuss is about with Avacado, which they insist on putting in everything here. I just don't understand how a dollop of bland green sludge is supposed to improve a dish.
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: sheridan 18 November, 2015, 07:33:06 AM
When Americans use Legos as the plural of Lego.
They have to do something with all the 's's they leave off of maths.
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: JamesC 18 November, 2015, 12:07:17 PM
When unimaginative teachers select 'Grease' as the school play.

Not only does it contain what is possibly the worst message to give to school children but hearing 12 year olds signing about their 'pussy wagon' is just weird.
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: sheridan 18 November, 2015, 12:55:45 PM
When unimaginative teachers select 'Grease' as the school play.

Not only does it contain what is possibly the worst message to give to school children but hearing 12 year olds signing about their 'pussy wagon' is just weird.
I had never picked up on the lyrics from Greased Lightning before :-O
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: JayzusB.Christ 22 February, 2016, 01:16:42 PM
People who bang on and on about their Viking / Celtic / Saxon or whatever the fuck ancestors, as if you can define who you are by just vaguely tracing back your family tree and stopping when you get to something that sounds cool.

To these people I say: I don't care about these long-dead tribes- who are YOU?  The answer, generally speaking, is a nasty little racist.
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: von Boom 22 February, 2016, 02:09:28 PM
I was in a pub in Edinburgh and was greatly amused when two of the bartenders started arguing about who was more English. One claimed ancestry to before Hastings while the other was a couple centuries after. I wish I could have filmed it.
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: Dark Jimbo 22 February, 2016, 02:56:05 PM
When Americans use Legos as the plural of Lego.
They pronounce it weirdly too - 'Lay-gos'.

A similar one that drives me up the wall is their pronouncing the name Craig as 'Creg.' I can't say it would especially bother me if so many US tv shows didn't suddenly have a dialogue reference to Craigslist!
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: Theblazeuk 22 February, 2016, 02:56:27 PM
Yeah my Grandad's family was from Ireland, ew :)
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: Proudhuff 22 February, 2016, 04:07:04 PM
People who bang on and on about their Viking / Celtic / Saxon or whatever the fuck ancestors, as if you can define who you are by just vaguely tracing back your family tree and stopping when you get to something that sounds cool.

To these people I say: I don't care about these long-dead tribes- who are YOU?  The answer, generally speaking, is a nasty little racist.

Just do what I do, when they brag about their 'scotch' roots, tell em: if you go back far enough we're all African.
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: Ghost MacRoth 22 February, 2016, 04:14:26 PM
Pangean surely? ;)
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: SuperSurfer 22 February, 2016, 04:29:48 PM
So my native American roots are of no interest round here?
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: Spikes 22 February, 2016, 04:48:16 PM
Pangean surely? ;)

Pangean's? Those Johnny-come-lately's? Pfft..
My ancestors came over on the Martian meteorite that kick started it all. Proper O.G.
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: Proudhuff 22 February, 2016, 04:53:11 PM
When Americans use Legos as the plural of Lego.
They pronounce it weirdly too - 'Lay-gos'.

A similar one that drives me up the wall is their pronouncing the name Craig as 'Creg.' I can't say it would especially bother me if so many US tv shows didn't suddenly have a dialogue reference to Craigslist!

and Colon instead of Colin eeeek!
: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: radiator 22 February, 2016, 05:10:52 PM

When Americans use Legos as the plural of Lego.
They pronounce it weirdly too - 'Lay-gos'.

A similar one that drives me up the wall is their pronouncing the name Craig as 'Creg.' I can't say it would especially bother me if so many US tv shows didn't suddenly have a dialogue reference to Craigslist!

I've actually asked some friends here about this very thing and all I get is blank stares - they don't see how its different to how I say it!

They also are seemingly oblivious to how they pronounce Graham as 'Grem' or 'Gram'.
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: TordelBack 22 February, 2016, 06:44:58 PM
...and Colon instead of Colin eeeek!

That's more pronouncement than pronunciation.
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: SuperSurfer 22 February, 2016, 07:41:32 PM
People who bang on and on about their Viking / Celtic / Saxon or whatever the fuck ancestors, as if you can define who you are by just vaguely tracing back your family tree and stopping when you get to something that sounds cool.

To these people I say: I don't care about these long-dead tribes- who are YOU?  The answer, generally speaking, is a nasty little racist.

Just do what I do, when they brag about their 'scotch' roots, tell em: if you go back far enough we're all African.

I don't see what the problem is if people are proud of their roots.

Go back and we're all amoeba.
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: JayzusB.Christ 22 February, 2016, 08:06:17 PM
Pangean surely? ;)

Pangean's? Those Johnny-come-lately's? Pfft..
My ancestors came over on the Martian meteorite that kick started it all. Proper O.G.

They come over here...
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: M.I.K. 22 February, 2016, 09:46:32 PM
I've a sneaking suspicion that my ancestry might, in part, go back to the Sami people, indigenous Scandinavian folk that have likely been there much longer than anyone else, yet don't look particularly 'white'. Far-right groups don't seem to like them very much.
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: Something Fishy 22 February, 2016, 09:59:14 PM
I loved that silent walk they did on BBC 4 at Christmas with the Sami, still following traditional reindeer herding.

As for the issue of ancestry, it does seem weird to me.  I'm a right mixture of all sorts of people's and various waves of immigration.  We're an island of immigrants, the idea of being against it seems just bizarre to me.
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: Spikes 22 February, 2016, 10:13:38 PM
Being a bit of a mixture is the norm. Anyone 'pure' would be a bit tired-looking to say the least...

Sorry, Herr Hitler, but that's how it is.


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: Hawkmumbler 22 February, 2016, 10:43:59 PM
Being a bit of a mixture is the norm. Anyone 'pure' would be a bit tired-looking to say the least...

Sorry, Herr Hitler, but that's how it is.
Plus, ya know, inbreeding.
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: Big_Dave 22 February, 2016, 10:56:39 PM
People who bang on and on about their Viking / Celtic / Saxon or whatever the fuck ancestors, as if you can define who you are by just vaguely tracing back your family tree and stopping when you get to something that sounds cool.

To these people I say: I don't care about these long-dead tribes- who are YOU?  The answer, generally speaking, is a nasty little racist.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22530134-300-ancient-invaders-transformed-britain-but-not-its-dna/

THEY came, they saw, they conquered. But while the Romans, Vikings and Normans ruled Britain for many years, none left their genetic calling cards behind in the DNA of today’s mainland Caucasian population. That’s the message from the most comprehensive analysis yet of the genetic make-up of the white British population.

The only invaders that left a lasting legacy are the Anglo-Saxons. As well as giving us the English language, the Anglo-Saxons, whose influx began around AD 450, account for 10 to 40 per cent of the DNA in half of modern-day Britons.

The analysis also springs some surprises. There was no single Celtic population outside the Anglo-Saxon dominated areas, but instead a large number of genetically distinct populations (see map below).

The DNA signatures of people in the neighbouring counties of Devon and Cornwall are more different than between northern England and Scotland. And there are also unexpectedly stark differences between inhabitants in the north and south of the Welsh county of Pembrokeshire.

The only appreciable genetic input from the Vikings is in the Orkney Islands, which were part of Norway for 600 years. Viking DNA accounts for 25 per cent of today’s Orcadian DNA.

The team found that the genetic profiles of the participants formed 17 distinct clusters. When they mapped this information based on where the participants lived they were surprised to see the clusters mapped almost exactly to geographical location.

The largest cluster accounted for half the participants and occupies almost the whole of eastern and southern England and most of the Midlands. This turned out to be the genetic legacy of the Anglo-Saxon invasions.

Even so, at least 60 per cent of the DNA in the cluster had survived from earlier migrants (Nature, DOI: 10.1038/nature14230).

In fact, all 17 clusters are dominated by DNA from settlers that arrived prior to the Anglo-Saxons. By comparing the clusters with genomes from modern-day continental Europe, the team was able to piece together the general migration pattern that took place.

The first wave of arrivals crossed by land bridges, when sea levels were so low that Britain was attached to what is now northern Germany. This wave was dominated by people with genomes most similar to modern-day inhabitants of northern Germany and Belgium.

In parallel, migrants from the west coast of France were arriving by boat. Traces of the combined DNA from all these three pioneer settlers forms the basis for the genetic-make up of all white Britons.

Given the cultural significance of the Roman, Viking and Norman invasions, it’s surprising they didn’t leave greater genetic legacy. For the Romans and Normans, that may be because they were ruling elites who didn’t intermarry with the natives.

Before the Romans came, Britain was a highly Balkanised cluster of culturally and genetically isolated tribal enclaves.

Starting in AD 43, the Romans dissolved many of these barriers in what is now southern and eastern England – partly through building roads. That same area was subsequently occupied by the Anglo-Saxons from AD 450 onwards.

Only in the west and north of Britain did the tribes manage to hold on to their isolation, including genetic isolation from the Anglo-Saxons.

Are some regions of Britain inbred?

No. Although some groups are more genetically distinct, they are only subtly so, with a huge amount of commonality across all British Caucasians. It is easier for differences to accumulate and linger in smaller populations, says Donnelly, whereas they become diluted in larger groups.
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: TordelBack 23 February, 2016, 05:28:15 AM
I would treat any current interpretation of population origins from DNA with the deepest caution. It's a field that is constantly changing, and the methodologies and datasets used are far from straightforward.  The ascribing of specific haplotypes to cultures and groups that aren't really understood or even demonstrated historically or archaeologically (e.g. "the Celts") is a particular bugbear.

I'm sure that everything will come out in the wash eventually, and it is a field of incomparable promise for understanding the past, but for now my reservations about the science combines with an instinctive negative reaction to its casual use to define identity, born in part of a suspicion about motivations. All too close to measuring skulls and claiming racial primacy in any one region, a laughable practice that filled entire libraries in the first half of the 20th C.
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: TordelBack 23 February, 2016, 09:23:19 AM
And just to contradict myself, one of my favourite things is the role of archaeology in undermining trite national narratives. So many times you see early hominids in Europe being cited as 'our ancestors', as if the modern inhabitants of Britain are somehow specially descended from the h.heidelbergensis at Boxgrove despite the 500K years, glacials, stadials and interstadials, depopulations and repopulations that have followed, never mind the questionable evolutionary connection. DNA offers even more subversive excitement in this line, with the suggestion that those cave-daubing Upr Paleololithic 'Europeans' responsible for the First Flowering of Western Art™, their noble paint-splattered Caucasian brows furrowed with foreknowledge of their descendants' transformation in unbroken line into Leonardo and Monet, have no genetic connection to modern Europeans at all - and that the DNA legacy of those Ice Age survivors is only present in Native American and East Asia populations, modern whitey largely being of several separate Levantine/Turkish origins entirely. 

Take this with all the caveats above, but enjoy for a moment the possibility that the cultural touchstones that fill French and German Museums were essentially looted from the sacred places of 'native' Europeans by the children of middle eastern immigrants.
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: The Legendary Shark 23 February, 2016, 09:52:10 AM
I would treat any current interpretation of population origins from DNA with the deepest caution. It's a field that is constantly changing, and the methodologies and datasets used are far from straightforward.  The ascribing of specific haplotypes to cultures and groups that aren't really understood or even demonstrated historically or archaeologically (e.g. "the Celts") is a particular bugbear.

I'm sure that everything will come out in the wash eventually, and it is a field of incomparable promise for understanding the past, but for now my reservations about the science combines with an instinctive negative reaction to its casual use to define identity, born in part of a suspicion about motivations. All too close to measuring skulls and claiming racial primacy in any one region, a laughable practice that filled entire libraries in the first half of the 20th C.

I agree. Eugenics never really went away, it just changed its name. For example, the American Eugenics Society, formed in 1921, now peddles its ideas under the benign-sounding Society for Biodemography and Social Biology (http://www.biodemog.org/) and the Eugenics Education Society founded in 1907, and which later changed its name to the British Eugenics Society, now trades as the entirely respectable sounding moniker of The Galton Institute. (http://www.galtoninstitute.org.uk/)
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: sheridan 23 February, 2016, 12:58:06 PM
Pangean surely? ;)
My favourite nationality!

So my native American roots are of no interest round here?
Speaking personally I'd say it's interesting if you were you brought up in a native american culture.  For myself, I have bits of paper saying that my ancestors came from all over the place, but I never met them so it doesn't actually make any difference where they were born.


I've actually asked some friends here about this very thing and all I get is blank stares - they don't see how its different to how I say it!They also are seemingly oblivious to how they pronounce Graham as 'Grem' or 'Gram'.


Pronouncing 'mirror' as 'mirrr' also.
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: Jim_Campbell 23 February, 2016, 01:57:51 PM
Pronouncing 'mirror' as 'mirrr' also.

"Squirl."

Cheers!

Jim
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: Proudhuff 23 February, 2016, 02:01:13 PM
'Cheers' as 'Chairs' very Edin Uni
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: Something Fishy 23 February, 2016, 03:49:20 PM
I saw that research a while ago and was not surprised that Cornwall and Devon had remained distant over the course of history.  The tamar really was the border to England and the Cornish remained a different people.
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: Hawkmumbler 23 February, 2016, 03:57:23 PM
'Cheers' as 'Chairs' very Edin Uni
'There' as 'Thur'. Very Bolton uni.  :lol:
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: Dandontdare 23 February, 2016, 04:22:27 PM
'Cheers' as 'Chairs' very Edin Uni
'There' as 'Thur'. Very Bolton uni.  :lol:

At our work we have regular "Air & Share" meetings where staff reps sit down with senior managers to feed back grumblings and pass on news - or "Urr & Shurr" meetings according to our Boltonian rep.
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: SuperSurfer 23 February, 2016, 05:39:51 PM
So my native American roots are of no interest round here?
Speaking personally I'd say it's interesting if you were you brought up in a native american culture.  For myself, I have bits of paper saying that my ancestors came from all over the place, but I never met them so it doesn't actually make any difference where they were born.
Actually, the closest I've been to a native American is in my imagination when as kids we would unwittingly play genocide (Cowboys and Indians) and I was usually on the wrong side (Cowboys).

I only made that comment about roots as it seemed that years ago almost every other American star (well, some) would in interviews claim to have native American ancestry. I would assume that was to increase their perceived cool factor. But now I think about it, attempts to eradicate the native Americans weren't that long ago so no doubt some people can trace their roots back to them.

If an ethnic/cultural group has been virtually eradicated and someone is aware of being a descendant of that group and sees that as part of their make-up and pays tribute to it, whether they grew up in that culture or not – is that a bad thing?

Different of course to a white supremacist-type harking back to imagined Viking or whatever roots and using that to justify their racism. Not even sure if that is the kind of thing they get up to, mind you.

I was curious about the term 'African-American'. Looking online I see comments of the civil rights movement in the US. Jesse Jackson in calling for use of 'African-American': "Every ethic group in this country has a reference to some land base, some historical cultural base."

A complicated subject that I know nothing of, but am mildly curious of, having grown up in the inner cities surrounded by people from all sorts of different backgrounds, which most defined themselves according to.
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: Tjm86 23 February, 2016, 07:09:00 PM
A complicated subject that I know nothing of, but am mildly curious of, having grown up in the inner cities surrounded by people from all sorts of different backgrounds, which most defined themselves according to.

I keep upsetting my mother on this score.  I don't like to define myself as English since I tend to associate that with the likes of the bullingdon club, the royal family, aristocracy, Imperial domination and the associated post colonial mess etc.  This starts off all sorts of disagreements, some of which I would agree with. 

I also tend to upset the Welsh language teachers in school since I find some aspects of the drive on the Welsh language similarly offensive.  My daughters are both born and bred in Wales but are considered lesser class in some circles because they don't speak Welsh.  My wife comes from an English speaking region although her brother in law was raised in a Welsh speaking region and is Welsh first language the rest of her family does not speak the language despite being similarly raised in the country.  We also live in the same predominantly English speaking region.

I guess my point, somewhat poorly articulated, is that cultural identity is insanely complex at any level.  It is the thought of cultural superiority that is most pernicious.  Perhaps being raised as a scaley brat might have something to do with my lack of appropriate cultural identity and odd views on the subject.

Anyway, rant over!
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: Hawkmumbler 23 February, 2016, 07:15:43 PM
I like to refer to myself as a human being with a slight drink problem, stunning good looks and the inability to get on with racist, homophobis fuck nuggets. Because thats what deffines who I am, not where I was born or what nationality my gret great great great aount thrice removed was.
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: Spikes 24 February, 2016, 09:34:20 AM
I don't like to define myself as English since I tend to associate that with the likes of the bullingdon club, the royal family, aristocracy, Imperial domination and the associated post colonial mess etc.  This starts off all sorts of disagreements, some of which I would agree with. 

Not having a pop at you Tjm86, and I'm sure you've heard this all before, but Ive never really understood the sentiment quoted above. And it's not an uncommon one, either.
But why do we let those kind of people, and those establishments, own England, and English identity, to such an extent that people take themselves out of the equation?



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: The Legendary Shark 24 February, 2016, 11:07:52 AM
Because it's easier to control and influence a vast number of people by instilling in them a sense of nationality, based on arbitrary lines on a map, than recognising the truth - we're all Earthlings.

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: Dandontdare 24 February, 2016, 11:51:22 AM
Because it's easier to control and influence a vast number of people by instilling in them a sense of nationality, based on arbitrary lines on a map, than recognising the truth - we're all Earthlings Earthlets.

FTFY
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: The Legendary Shark 24 February, 2016, 02:00:17 PM
Heh - my bad!
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: SuperSurfer 24 February, 2016, 04:40:25 PM
Because it's easier to control and influence a vast number of people by instilling in them a sense of nationality, based on arbitrary lines on a map, than recognising the truth - we're all Earthlings.
A noble ideal. Yet we are all a product of the environment and culture we grew up in, whether we like it or not. And that shapes our personality. Borders and nation states are only a part of the equation, as is ethnicity/religion/culture/heritage – call it whatever you want.

I think some people tend to see this in more simplistic terms than in other parts of the world where borders change and people can go to bed of one nationality and then wake up the next day of a different nationality – yet still belong to a distinct group.

But yes, arbitrary lines on maps to control people –used to devasting effect in particular in the Africa and Middle East colonial carve-ups.
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: Tjm86 24 February, 2016, 07:25:55 PM
I don't like to define myself as English since I tend to associate that with the likes of the bullingdon club, the royal family, aristocracy, Imperial domination and the associated post colonial mess etc.  This starts off all sorts of disagreements, some of which I would agree with. 

Not having a pop at you Tjm86, and I'm sure you've heard this all before, but Ive never really understood the sentiment quoted above. And it's not an uncommon one, either.
But why do we let those kind of people, and those establishments, own England, and English identity, to such an extent that people take themselves out of the equation?

It is a fair point and most likely where my mother is coming from.  It is the appropriation of English identity that I find most offensive with the associated concept of hierarchy.  The idea of being considered some kind of 'lesser being' simply because you have slightly different values like for instance actually considering people human even though they might struggle to find a job or have some sort of mental health / substance abuse problem.  The fact that you consider providing a quality service to your customers and building a lasting business rather than rapine commerce that only sees shareholder satisfaction as a valid metric as being an indicator that you do in fact have some sort of mental health problem.

I don't see your criticism as having a pop by the way.  I'm more than happy for people to point to where there are flaws in my thinking.
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: Link Prime 26 February, 2016, 10:48:33 AM
Anyway, y'know what really grinds my gears?

F-ckin movie adverts that name the release date numerically.

Example; "The Raid 2. In cinemas April 10".
When's April 10? Anytime near April 10th?

I will now step up the irrational anger and derision from the very origin of this thread to DEFCON 1.

Saw an advert on telly last night for a new film (The Forest).
When is it cinemas you ask?

Why "Feb 26" of course. Yes FEB.
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: Dandontdare 26 February, 2016, 11:07:12 AM
Anyway, y'know what really grinds my gears?

F-ckin movie adverts that name the release date numerically.

Example; "The Raid 2. In cinemas April 10".
When's April 10? Anytime near April 10th?

I will now step up the irrational anger and derision from the very origin of this thread to DEFCON 1.

Saw an advert on telly last night for a new film (The Forest).
When is it cinemas you ask?

Why "Feb 26" of course. Yes FEB.

and we can add adverts that list prices as single numbers : "This can be yours for just four five nine nine"
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: Banners 26 February, 2016, 11:42:26 AM
: Link Prime

Why "Feb 26" of course. Yes FEB.

Guilty. I often abbreviate months to three letters because it makes layout easier and the overall look more uniform.
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: Jim_Campbell 26 February, 2016, 11:58:37 AM
Guilty. I often abbreviate months to three letters because it makes layout easier and the overall look more uniform.

Yup. The number of comic covers I do each year, it's so much easier to make the little Issue No/ Price/ Date block look tidy if you keep the month to three letters.

Cheers

Jim
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: Link Prime 26 February, 2016, 12:19:38 PM
: Link Prime

Why "Feb 26" of course. Yes FEB.

Guilty. I often abbreviate months to three letters because it makes layout easier and the overall look more uniform.

Fair enough for that purpose.
But for an advert to spout the words "Feb twenty six". Just no.
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: I, Cosh 26 February, 2016, 12:45:49 PM
: Link Prime
Why "Feb 26" of course. Yes FEB.
Guilty. I often abbreviate months to three letters because it makes layout easier and the overall look more uniform.
This is fine as long as you always use two digits for the date.
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: JamesC 26 February, 2016, 12:52:27 PM
Anyway, y'know what really grinds my gears?

F-ckin movie adverts that name the release date numerically.

Example; "The Raid 2. In cinemas April 10".
When's April 10? Anytime near April 10th?

I will now step up the irrational anger and derision from the very origin of this thread to DEFCON 1.

Saw an advert on telly last night for a new film (The Forest).
When is it cinemas you ask?

Why "Feb 26" of course. Yes FEB.

and we can add adverts that list prices as single numbers : "This can be yours for just four five nine nine"


This would normally annoy me but I really fancy the girl on the SCS furniture adverts so I let it slide in her case.
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: Satanist 26 February, 2016, 12:54:04 PM
As we're on ads the new insurance ad with the opera singer says the word "FANTASTIC" 5 times in 30 seconds and I don't know why but that really pisses me off.
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: richerthanyou 26 February, 2016, 08:02:17 PM
People who live in big cities. Why are they all so unfriendly? I get that you can't say morning to everyone you walk past or you would be there to sundown, but they all look so miserable!

I can't wait to get out of here.
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: NapalmKev 27 February, 2016, 09:05:50 AM
People who live in big cities. Why are they all so unfriendly? I get that you can't say morning to everyone you walk past or you would be there to sundown, but they all look so miserable!

I can't wait to get out of here.

Move yourself down to Yokelsville (Devon), we're a right bunch of jolly Fuckers!

Regarding "Big Cities", if I had to navigate The abominable road system of somewhere like London on a daily basis I'd probably get the arse* myself. Having said that i'm pretty sure someone who's used to things getting done fast wouldn't get much joy down 'ere because the majority of us couldn't care less, and maintain "it's done when it's done" mentality.

Cheers

*to be profoundly upset
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: Dandontdare 27 February, 2016, 11:29:50 AM
For me it either has to be right in  the heart of the city or total countryside - busy and vibrant or totally peaceful and isolated, can't stand the in-between options of small-medium sized towns.
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: I, Cosh 27 February, 2016, 11:49:48 AM
People who live in big cities. Why are they all so unfriendly? I get that you can't say morning to everyone you walk past or you would be there to sundown, but they all look so miserable!

I can't wait to get out of here.
I'm completely the opposite. Grew up in a tiny village of the sort where everyone knows everybody and wants to have their nose in your business. More recently, lived in the same flat in Glasgow for around eight years without ever knowing any of my neighbours' names or having the slightest inclination to find out: bliss!

Couldn't imagine ever wanting to move away from a big city now. Natural beauty is no substitute for general anonymity and being able to find people who share your interests as and when you want to.

Edited to agree with Dan: small towns are the worst of all possible worlds.
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: JayzusB.Christ 27 February, 2016, 02:37:02 PM
Natural beauty is no substitute for general anonymity and being able to find people who share your interests as and when you want to.

Edited to agree with Dan: small towns are the worst of all possible worlds.

Couldn't agree less.  I love the peace, quiet, nature and sociability of small towns.  I live in a small town not too far from the city because I mostly work there and occasional cool stuff happens there, but as for noise, pollution, crowds and traffic 24/7 - no thanks.
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: Mattofthespurs 27 February, 2016, 05:22:48 PM
Small towns are actually, in my case, the best of all possible solutions.
It's a town, with the amenities of a town (cinema, pubs, shops etc...), but literally a 5 minute walk away from being in the middle of the countryside.
And the Flying Scotsman went through my town of St Neots, so there  :P
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: Jim_Campbell 27 February, 2016, 08:18:04 PM
Yup. I live in a small (Pop ~9000) English market town, and it's a lovely place. I have access to a couple of small supermarkets, plus local traders, plus a weekly market, a monthly farmers' market, plus four pubs within five minutes' walk of my house, PLUS actual proper countryside no more than 15min up the road.

I've had a sparrow-hawk in my garden TWICE in the four years since we moved here. Until you've experienced proximity to a creature evolution has told: "No, that's it… you're pretty much spot on" it's hard to articulate what being that close to nature to nature really feels like.

Cheers

Jim
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: Eric Plumrose 27 February, 2016, 08:44:54 PM
People who live in big cities. Why are they all so unfriendly?

Big cities are more populated. That higher concentration of people means of course you'll encounter more 'unfriendly' types.

I've been living in North London for the best part of seventeen years now and the people here are no less friendly than any small town I've lived in. Especially those in the small-minded small town where I grew up. If anything, living here has made me realize just how much I fucking HATE the kinds of people where I grew up, where being 'different' in any kind of way meant being singled out more easily.
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: Eric Plumrose 27 February, 2016, 09:24:48 PM
I've had a sparrow-hawk in my garden TWICE in the four years since we moved here. Until you've experienced proximity to a creature evolution has told: "No, that's it… you're pretty much spot on" it's hard to articulate what being that close to nature to nature really feels like.

Last month, the Souster Woman heard an incessant chirping from our back garden. Only when it stopped did she look out to see a sparrowhawk sitting on our back fence. Fan!tastic! (though not for the sparrows making the noise).

I've had a coupla close encounters with foxes. One came into our bedroom one night (our previous residence, a ground-floor flat with French windows, open) which then fled when I woke up realizing it was there.

The other time was years before when I kipped on a park bench after walking eight miles home from a club. Something sniffing my hand woke me then shot off when I sat up. I looked down the path to see a fox staring back at me.
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: Old Tankie 27 February, 2016, 10:54:15 PM
We have a Red Kite hovering over our garden almost every day, majestic, and we live four miles from Peterborough city centre.
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: JayzusB.Christ 27 February, 2016, 11:52:49 PM
People who live in big cities. Why are they all so unfriendly?

where being 'different' in any kind of way meant being singled out more easily.

There is that.  Fortunately I have far fewer fucks to give these days.
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: Fungus 28 February, 2016, 01:32:54 AM
Anyway, y'know what really grinds my gears?

F-ckin movie adverts that name the release date numerically.

Example; "The Raid 2. In cinemas April 10".
When's April 10? Anytime near April 10th?

I will now step up the irrational anger and derision from the very origin of this thread to DEFCON 1.

Saw an advert on telly last night for a new film (The Forest).
When is it cinemas you ask?

Why "Feb 26" of course. Yes FEB.

and we can add adverts that list prices as single numbers : "This can be yours for just four five nine nine"


We did, a couple of years ago (https://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php?topic=40377.msg821195#msg821195).

'Feb' is fine, and in many instances nicely succinct. Maybe that's my programming background.
But what is ludicrous is taking the conventions into your own half-witted hands. ScotRail tickets will state DBR (or similar) when you're in the twelfth month. Why do that?
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: sheridan 28 February, 2016, 02:33:02 AM
I've been living in North London for the best part of seventeen years now and the people here are no less friendly than any small town I've lived in. Especially those in the small-minded small town where I grew up. If anything, living here has made me realize just how much I fucking HATE the kinds of people where I grew up, where being 'different' in any kind of way meant being singled out more easily.
Same here (mostly living in North London for over ten years with a background of small-town England where you can rely on getting physically assaulted for not being 'like them').

I've had a coupla close encounters with foxes. One came into our bedroom one night (our previous residence, a ground-floor flat with French windows, open) which then fled when I woke up realizing it was there.
We got a fox come in last year - it got cornered by the cat who wanted it out of the flat, but couldn't quite process that standing in front of the french windows stops the fox getting out, which it dearly wanted to do by that point!
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: Eric Plumrose 28 February, 2016, 08:18:20 AM
There is that.  Fortunately I have far fewer fucks to give these days.

All part of growing up, Jayzus, though sadly no comfort whatsoever to five year-old Eric having to put up with yet another beating courtesy of BLUE PETER and some petty-minded neighbours.

But with respect to richerthanthou (and no disrespect intended) the notion big cities are less friendly just, y'know. Grinds my gears!
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: Old Tankie 28 February, 2016, 08:45:04 AM
The great thing about London is you can be who ever you want, no one gives a toss.
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: TordelBack 28 February, 2016, 10:12:32 AM
...the Souster Woman...

This cracks me up every single time. I can actually see Vek  at the breakfast table when I read it.
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: Mikey 28 February, 2016, 12:20:32 PM
I've had a sparrow-hawk in my garden TWICE in the four years since we moved here. Until you've experienced proximity to a creature evolution has told: "No, that's it… you're pretty much spot on" it's hard to articulate what being that close to nature to nature really feels like.

They are magnificent beasts, aren't they? I see one on a regular basis in, or more often bombing through, our garden. It even does some plucking - our cat surprised it (well, more the other way round) as it was dealing with a pigeon. The Sparrowhawk has even fwooshed about a foot over my head once - incredible! I live in a town centre too in a terraced house, but there's no access to the gardens except through the houses, so it's a bit of a clear run and reasonably safe for common wildlife (bats and hedgehogs too). Unfortunately, the town itself is a bit of a shithole, and full of bell ends.
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: Hawkmumbler 28 February, 2016, 01:03:16 PM
Funny little tit bit, Sparrowhawk remains can be found in Piacenzian deposits in north eastern Englnad, the exact same species as can be found nation wide today. So when Jim say's "Feck it, your pretty much perfect" bare in mind this one predatory avid has remained completely unchanged for nearly 2 million years. Hows that for milage?
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: Jim_Campbell 28 February, 2016, 01:09:27 PM
They are magnificent beasts, aren't they?

Oh, yes. The first time, I was washing up at the kitchen sink, looked up and became aware that several birds in the garden were completely motionless and then the penny dropped: there was a sparrowhawk methodically dismantling a sparrow as it sat on the back fence.

Cheers

Jim
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: JamesC 28 February, 2016, 01:52:49 PM
I think I mentioned on here at the time but I once saw a Peregrine Falcon take a pigeon on my way home from work in Norwich.
We had (and still do I think) a nesting pair on the Cathedral. Anyway, I was on a residential street very close to the city centre when I saw something fall to the ground out of the corner of my eye. The falcon was mantling the pigeon by the kerbside. I was about to take a photo on my phone when a kid came around the corner on a bike and scared the falcon off. Incredibly the pigeon was still alive and though it looked a bit shell shocked and was surrounded by a ring of shed feathers it flew away.
Lucky for the pigeon but not good news for the falcon. They use a great deal of energy on the hunt, particularly while hunting for the chicks too and can't sustain too many failed kills.
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: shaolin_monkey 28 February, 2016, 02:34:43 PM
My daughters and I came across this Sparrowhawk in the middle of Cardiff a few weeks back:

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/bird-prey-determined-not-pigeon-10885556
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: ThryllSeekyr 28 February, 2016, 06:13:08 PM
I've had a sparrow-hawk in my garden TWICE in the four years since we moved here. Until you've experienced proximity to a creature evolution has told: "No, that's it… you're pretty much spot on" it's hard to articulate what being that close to nature to nature really feels like.

They are magnificent beasts, aren't they? I see one on a regular basis in, or more often bombing through, our garden. It even does some plucking - our cat surprised it (well, more the other way round) as it was dealing with a pigeon. The Sparrowhawk has even fwooshed about a foot over my head once - incredible! I live in a town centre too in a terraced house, but there's no access to the gardens except through the houses, so it's a bit of a clear run and reasonably safe for common wildlife (bats and hedgehogs too). Unfortunately, the town itself is a bit of a shithole, and full of bell ends.

Somebody here called me a Bellend once, but I think that meant it in a good way. Like a endearment.
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: JayzusB.Christ 28 February, 2016, 09:11:58 PM
My last tuppenceworth on why I prefer smaller towns -

I like drifting along the river or canal in my (battery-powered, inflatable) boat, mooring occasionally for a bite to eat or a bottle of beer.
I also like picking wild garlic and cooking it in a meal, or picking sloes to put in gin.  I like gathering my own holly at Christmas, and wood to light a fire in winter.
I enjoy a quiet beer garden on a nice day.

There are things I like about the city, but all of the above are among my favourite things in the world and are very hard to do there.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Jim_Campbell 28 February, 2016, 09:44:37 PM
When I lived in Nottingham, I lived in Forest Fields -- one of the city's most heavily Asian/Indian-populated areas. I miss the samosas. I VERY MUCH miss the samosas.

Cheers!

Jim
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: SuperSurfer 03 March, 2016, 05:42:33 PM
Journalists who can't write to save their lives. Who litter their articles with typos and unfinished sentences, who go into detail without any introduction, leave gaps in their text which they indicate with asterisks as they can't be bothered to find out missing info, who can't be arsed to check the names of people they refer to so supply some without first names.

And then get arsey when I point out their text was not ready to use as supplied!

FFS!
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: DaveGYNWA 04 March, 2016, 11:48:46 AM
Being asked to study training material for a new product and being told "Oh, it shouldn't take long....about 3 hours" and then looking at the training material to see that it is all video based, and totals to just shy of 24 hours of content.

The person who told me '3 hours' is now fully aware that this won't be finished by the end of today as requested.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Jim_Campbell 04 March, 2016, 12:35:14 PM
Being asked to study training material for a new product and being told "Oh, it shouldn't take long....about 3 hours" and then looking at the training material to see that it is all video based, and totals to just shy of 24 hours of content.

Add to the gear-grinding — the ever-increasing insistence on linking to/providing video in order to convey information that I could extract in a fraction of the time from boring, old-fashioned text.

Bah!

Jim
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Mikey 04 March, 2016, 12:45:44 PM
This came to mind yesterday - people who don't know the difference between a number or letter sequence. I did some fieldwork involving numerous sample sites that had letter codes, and they constantly referred sites as 'number AE etc'

Give. Me. Fucking. Strength.
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: ming 04 March, 2016, 01:39:43 PM
This came to mind yesterday - people who don't know the difference between a number or letter sequence. I did some fieldwork involving numerous sample sites that had letter codes, and they constantly referred sites as 'number AE etc'

Give. Me. Fucking. Strength.

Just ask them to pick a number between A and D...  :lol:
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: TordelBack 04 March, 2016, 02:09:51 PM
... they constantly referred sites as 'number AE etc'

That's just Site Number 174, innit?
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: JayzusB.Christ 04 March, 2016, 02:13:38 PM
I have no idea what you're all talking about  :(
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: The Legendary Shark 04 March, 2016, 02:53:05 PM
I thought AE was 15...
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: Mikey 04 March, 2016, 02:55:57 PM
Just ask them to pick a number between A and D...  :lol:

Your name too shall go on The List.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: ming 04 March, 2016, 03:00:05 PM
Just ask them to pick a number between A and D...  :lol:

Your name too shall go on The List.

Will The List be ordered alphabetically or numerically?  I'm fine either way, I like lists!

Public Enemy Number B, me.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Mikey 04 March, 2016, 03:35:26 PM
Careful now, lessen I goes upta letter 4 on ya!

Even writing that made my shoulders tense...
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: JayzusB.Christ 08 March, 2016, 09:22:47 PM
The Bank of Ireland, who have recently taken the innovative step of getting rid of both their cashiers and their customer service desk (at least in every branch I've been to lately).
I have no idea where to go when I want to ask them something.  I was left waiting 15 minutes last week by someone who said they'd be 'back in a second'.
I've made complaints, and yesterday, on pushing an employee for a while trying to get an answer as to where to go with questions, was told I should 'loiter about the floor till you find someone to talk to'. Yes, LOITER.
Not the fault of the employees of course. But whoever proposed these changes are cunts, plain and simple. They have become the ryanair of banks and I'll be leaving them soon.
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: maryanddavid 08 March, 2016, 09:53:13 PM
With you J, I see them hunting elderly people to the machines when they clearly just want to go to the cashier. I think most of the Banks are going that way though. Credit Union the way forward I think.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: The Legendary Shark 08 March, 2016, 09:56:28 PM
Heh. They create money out of thin air and still can't turn a decent enough profit to employ the requisite  number of staff.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: JayzusB.Christ 08 March, 2016, 10:21:12 PM
With you J, I see them hunting elderly people to the machines when they clearly just want to go to the cashier. I think most of the Banks are going that way though. Credit Union the way forward I think.

Credit Unions are infinitely better.  As soon as they get their own ATMs, all my money is going there.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Hawkmumbler 22 March, 2016, 02:42:26 PM
Petition to see Donald Trump and Katie Hopkins tied to a nuclear bomb and fired at Syria.

OH! But according to them we aren't doing that, so we are obviously the victims in this whole mess! Fuck these two and fuck anyone taken in by their shit.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Grugz 22 March, 2016, 10:43:45 PM
Katie and Donald tied to a missile and fired into space would be better then theyre off planet...

...wondering ,has anyone told Donald what "trump" means in England?
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: radiator 24 March, 2016, 11:03:15 PM
Platforms, such as facebook and slack, where 'enter' means 'send' instead of 'next line'.

What kind of raging psychopath would program it to do this?
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: Big_Dave 24 March, 2016, 11:22:56 PM
shift+enter = next line
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: radiator 25 March, 2016, 01:20:03 AM
shift+enter = next line

I know, but why? It makes it ridiculously easy to accidentally post things.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Big_Dave 25 March, 2016, 06:34:25 AM
90% internet comments are lol
or people tagging friends
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: The Legendary Shark 25 March, 2016, 07:47:51 AM
Lol
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: TordelBack 25 March, 2016, 09:03:21 AM
Lol

L33t skilz, m8!
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: I, Cosh 25 March, 2016, 11:26:31 AM
shift+enter = next line
I know, but why? It makes it ridiculously easy to accidentally post things.
Pretty standard behaviour isn't it? Shift+Enter in a word processing package to jump to the next line without creating a paragraph break. Same thing if you want to enter mutiple lines of text in a single spreadsheet cell or most standard form/textboxes.

I do still sometimes fuck it up in all of these places.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: The Legendary Shark 25 March, 2016, 12:06:02 PM
Lol

L33t skilz, m8!

Um, thx - I think!

: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: radiator 25 March, 2016, 06:14:04 PM
Pretty standard behaviour isn't it? Shift+Enter in a word processing package to jump to the next line without creating a paragraph break. Same thing if you want to enter mutiple lines of text in a single spreadsheet cell or most standard form/textboxes.

Difference being, of course, that accidentally hitting 'enter' without holding shift in a word processor doesn't instantly publish or send what you were writing.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: NapalmKev 01 June, 2016, 04:58:30 PM
Fucking Facebook! Where 'Socialism' means "caving in the heads of cripples!" And did you know that Europe is apparently responsible for the sale of the Rail/Steel/Royal Mail industries and soon the NHS.

So much Fucking stupidity and people actually believe it!

Pffft!

: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Something Fishy 01 June, 2016, 05:30:18 PM
It's so frustrating, makes me think a referendum on something so important was a bad idea.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Tjm86 01 June, 2016, 05:32:04 PM

So much stupidity and people actually believe it!


What is even scarier is they breed as well!
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: hippynumber1 01 June, 2016, 05:57:14 PM
"Your father's didn't fight for this.", "Immigrants taking over.", "We're full." Blah, fucking blah!
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: Hawkmumbler 01 June, 2016, 06:02:42 PM
"Your father's didn't fight for this.", "Immigrants taking over.", "We're full." Blah, fucking blah!
Just thinking about it makes my head hurt.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: The Legendary Shark 01 June, 2016, 06:27:42 PM
Tenants angry after apartment building orders them to 'friend' it on Facebook (http://www.cnet.com/au/news/tenants-angry-after-apartment-building-forces-them-to-like-it-on-facebook/)
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: hippynumber1 01 June, 2016, 08:32:56 PM
"Your father's didn't fight for this.", "Immigrants taking over.", "We're full." Blah, fucking blah!
Just thinking about it makes my head hurt.

I enjoy a well-informed, reasonable debate but you just get the above.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Keef Monkey 10 June, 2016, 10:42:29 AM
This might be a bit lengthy so apologies...

Just found out my dad got into a bit of a fracas with a couple of guys while out walking the dog with my sister. It's a small town and Jack is a tiny wee well behaved dog so we generally just put him on a leash near the main road.

Apparently on this occasion he took a few steps down someone's driveway and the owner went completely nuts, him and his son screaming about how if they didn't get the dog on a leash they'd kill it and kill them. The guy was squaring up to my dad chest to chest while his son yelled 'hit him dad!', my dad (terrified) shouted at him to back off, my sister tried to step in and was pushed out the way by the son, she pushed back and the son started yelling about assault.

It ended with my dad and sis walking away while they shouted that if they ever saw her or the dog again they'd kill them both.

Feeling pretty shaken up, she called the police who came round and took statements, then went to visit the guys in question...then returned and charged my sister with assault and my dad with breach of the peace.

Apparently the version of events they're going with is that my sister attacked the son unprovoked, my dad was shouting and threatening and tried to headbutt the other guy (there's no way this happened, my dad is 70 and was terrified), and they were just trying to calm them down. The guy got his wife to give a statement as a witness (she wasn't there), and that seems to have tipped it.

My dad is really shaken up and upset about it all. I don't even know what happens when you get charged with something like that, but the idea that there are people out there who think that a rational response to a dog sniffing your hedge is to pick a fight with a 70 year old man and his daughter is mad.

Sorry for the ramble, pretty upset about it all and for how my paw and sis must be feeling so had to vent.
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: TordelBack 10 June, 2016, 10:47:28 AM
Bloody hell, Keef! Not much consolation when the damage is already halfway done, but my personal experience of these kinds of things is that courts can usually detect bullshit nuisance cases when they see them, and there is nothing judges hate more than having their time wasted. Very sorry to hear your family subjected to this.
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: JamesC 10 June, 2016, 10:53:52 AM
Yeah, it almost certainly won't go anywhere. To be honest, if they're the kind of people who pick fights so easily, they may well be known to the police locally.
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: Keef Monkey 10 June, 2016, 11:46:06 AM
Thanks, it helps to hear that. This board is always good for putting things in perspective!

It's caused a fair bit of distress (and I'm sure my dad probably thinks he's going to jail or something!) so it's reassuring to know it might not be as scary as it sounds. It's just mad really that something that silly can escalate like that, hopefully like you say nothing will come of it.
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: Banners 10 June, 2016, 12:51:15 PM
How horrible, especially as they're neighbours. I hope nothing comes of it, but as I understand it, a charge means a court appearance. However, if the other side are not being consistent or truthful then their story will unravel pretty quickly. Awful situation.
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: Modern Panther 10 June, 2016, 12:56:56 PM
Wow, some people really are pricks, aren't they?

Yeah, it'll likely be called to court, but the judge/sheriff will likely see through the whole thing pretty quick. 
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: JamesC 10 June, 2016, 01:00:04 PM
I was once charged with assault (I was completely innocent - a fight kicked off in a McDonalds and I'd been mis-identified) and I didn't have to go to court or even have a second interview with the police. I just got a letter through the post saying no further action was being taken as there was no evidence (in fact I think the whole thing had been captured on CCTV, which would have made it perfectly clear that I wasn't involved).
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: The Legendary Shark 10 June, 2016, 03:44:11 PM
That really annoys me. The bullshit passing for law in this country is a joke. I'd say you need to stop this before it goes before magistrates because, in my direct experience, they love fining people whether they're guilty or not. Get legal help NOW.
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: I, Cosh 10 June, 2016, 04:03:15 PM
How horrible, especially as they're neighbours. I hope nothing comes of it, but as I understand it, a charge means a court appearance. However, if the other side are not being consistent or truthful then their story will unravel pretty quickly. Awful situation.
Not necessarily. Police make the charge and it's then referred to the Procurator Fiscal to decide if there's enough evidence to warrant prosecution (I assume this is broadly the same process in England, with the names changed.) Even if it goes that far, judges really aren't stupid.

Still pretty shit for your dad and sis though Keef.
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: Satanist 10 June, 2016, 04:53:39 PM
Sounds terrible Keef. I always like to think cowards like that will pull their shit on the wrong person eventually.

I do hope it works out alright for your family.
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: Keef Monkey 10 June, 2016, 05:31:49 PM
Thanks folks, here's hoping it comes to nothing. If things work the way Cosh explained then hopefully it will fizzle out - after all there isn't any 'evidence' as such, just one group's word against the other, and of course their story paints it in a different light! As James said, it's hard to believe this is the only time they've gone off the handle like that so that might come to light and make a difference. Never nice to be reminded that some people really, really are nasty, and makes me angry to think that it's causing that much stress to loved ones.

Thanks again for the replies, was freaking out a bit and it's helped.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: sheridan 10 June, 2016, 09:49:39 PM
Not necessarily. Police make the charge and it's then referred to the Procurator Fiscal to decide if there's enough evidence to warrant prosecution (I assume this is broadly the same process in England, with the names changed.)
It is - the British name is the Crown Prosecution Service.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Goaty 24 August, 2016, 03:23:44 PM
Life is so f**king crude.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: JamesC 24 August, 2016, 03:38:00 PM
Life is so f**king crude.

Michelangelo's a f**king party dude!
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: radiator 24 August, 2016, 09:19:24 PM
It's more something that makes me cringe rather than get angry, but I can't abide it when people I know, and especially celebrities or writers I admire - use a public platform like Twitter to complain or rant about a product or service. It's doubly cringeworthy when they @ mention the company in question. No matter how frustrated you are, it is never a good idea to do this - there's just no way of doing it without coming away looking petty and desperately uncool.
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: Banners 25 August, 2016, 08:00:38 AM
I've done that on Twitter a couple of times, albeit reluctantly, and am aware I look like a spoilt child and a bit of a dick. However, the truth is you get a far better response calling companies out publicly, than what is often a dead end going via a Customer Service number or using email (always ignored).

The RAC, USPS, Thomson Holidays and Hillary's Blinds (what a tragically middle class lifestyle...!) are a few examples that spring to mind, where I've had a far more considerate and diligent response than going through traditional channels.

Conversely, it's a good platform to use to call out good service I think, and acknowledge when companies have done something right. And sometimes it's not a complaint, but just an attempt to engage on some positive, basic human level. It is called "social media" after all...!

Organisations and brands adopt the same default kind of twee, overbearingly positive and artificially happy tone of voice on Twitter, and it's hard not to react to that when they're saying how great they are but you know different. Our local Council is a case in point.

Also, one of the most highly-regarded and high profile creative agencies around here uses an automated Twitter feed, which as well as being uncreative, disingenuous and utterly banal, is often simply wrong and/or woefully out of date. Again, I should know better but sometimes it's so annoying I can't help reacting, albeit in a spirit of 'banter' rather than outright criticism.




: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Goaty 25 August, 2016, 08:54:04 AM
After left old job of 13 years to move to London to be married. 4 months later, no job then ask back as freelance at Newcastle, and last Tuesday, my wife gone to hospital and she just fine, that happens when I am away from her. LIfe is really strange sometimes!
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: Hawkmumbler 25 August, 2016, 09:53:17 AM
Aye, I recently had a long (30!) tweet chain rant at (errr, @) EasyJet after 3 months of being kicked about after my baggage and half it's contents where massacred in Malta in May. 3 months of bumbling about via email, resolved in 2 days via Twitter. Got my money so couldn't care less if I looked like a dick doing it.
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: Professor Bear 25 August, 2016, 11:45:56 AM
Sorry to hear about your missus, Goaty.  I hope she's doing better now.
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: von Boom 25 August, 2016, 12:39:51 PM
Glad to hear it isn't serious about your wife Goaty. Still it's scary.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Eric Plumrose 27 August, 2016, 05:33:11 PM
Pubs wot don't clean their beer lines properly. Without being overly enthusiastic about either, I know Doom Bar and SA Gold shouldn't smell and taste of vinegar.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Tombo 27 August, 2016, 09:39:32 PM
Pubs wot don't clean their beer lines properly. Without being overly enthusiastic about either, I know Doom Bar and SA Gold shouldn't smell and taste of vinegar.
Back when I lived in pubs (1974-90) failure to clean your lines regularly and properly was a serious offence for a landlord or manager, as I recall one or two people were dismissed by John Smiths for said offence.

Having said that the chemicals we used back then were a bit less eco-friendly than the stuff they use these days and would probably make your drink taste worse than vinegar.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Hawkmumbler 29 August, 2016, 09:39:41 AM
You know what really grinds my gears? Forumites that change their handle every 4 months or less. Oh sure, it might not be as bad now as it was a few years ago, but gosh is it still annoying*.



*Say's the forumite formerly known as Hawkmonger.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Theblazeuk 30 August, 2016, 10:51:56 AM
With rare exception if you've changed your handle since I joined I just don't know who you even are anymore

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: JayzusB.Christ 30 August, 2016, 03:35:41 PM
Pubs wot don't clean their beer lines properly. Without being overly enthusiastic about either, I know Doom Bar and SA Gold shouldn't smell and taste of vinegar.

I love a nice sour beer, i do. But yeah, only if it's meant to be.
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: Dandontdare 30 August, 2016, 04:00:13 PM
You know what really grinds my gears? Forumites that change their handle every 4 months or less. Oh sure, it might not be as bad now as it was a few years ago, but gosh is it still annoying*.

*Say's the forumite formerly known as Hawkmonger.

agreed - there was a new name I didn't recognise the other day with over 4000 posts - no idea who that was.

Pubs wot don't clean their beer lines properly. Without being overly enthusiastic about either, I know Doom Bar and SA Gold shouldn't smell and taste of vinegar.

AKA The Curse of Weatherspoons - lots of choice, poorly kept
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: Jim_Campbell 30 August, 2016, 04:25:14 PM
AKA The Curse of Weatherspoons - lots of choice, poorly kept

Also, I believe Wetherspoons buys beer other pubs have returned to the brewery because they think it'll go out of date before they can sell it. Spoons shifts beer in such volumes, they take a punt on being able to sell it even with a short Use By. I'm not convinced they're that fussy about whether it's still in date when they sell some of it…

(Not to mention one of the Nottingham Spoons definitely selling me something that came out of a bottle that purported to be an eleven year old McCallans single malt, but was no such bloody thing.)
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: JayzusB.Christ 30 August, 2016, 07:19:51 PM
AKA The Curse of Weatherspoons - lots of choice, poorly kept

Also, I believe Wetherspoons buys beer other pubs have returned to the brewery because they think it'll go out of date before they can sell it. Spoons shifts beer in such volumes, they take a punt on being able to sell it even with a short Use By. I'm not convinced they're that fussy about whether it's still in date when they sell some of it…

(Not to mention one of the Nottingham Spoons definitely selling me something that came out of a bottle that purported to be an eleven year old McCallans single malt, but was no such bloody thing.)

Still, a pint of cask ale for €2.75... They're relatively new in Ireland as far as I can see not half as seedy-looking as a lot of the Spoonses in Britain.  The novelty hasn't worn off for me yet.
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: Dandontdare 30 August, 2016, 07:45:24 PM
there are some great 'spoons about - the basic template (cheap ale and food, no obtrusive music or TVs) is a good idea. Nice ones tend to be very nice, crap one tend to be like something from League of Gentleman. I personally know of 6 around Manchester - Chortlon, Town Hall and Rusholme are lovely pubs, Deansgate and Oxford street are OK but the big one on Piccadilly is horrible - a truly grim barn of a place filled mainly with solitary drinkers, a warehouse for alcoholic inadequates.

They do have a high staff turnover though and don't always look after their ale very well.
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: Theblazeuk 01 September, 2016, 10:10:00 AM
Yeah - even the one in Rochdale is s'ok, though it's the main boozer in town it's relatively good compared to anything in centre but the Baum.

The one in Heywood is quite lovely.
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: Molch-R 01 September, 2016, 11:23:46 AM
Yeah - even the one in Rochdale is s'ok, though it's the main boozer in town it's relatively good compared to anything in centre but the Baum.

The one in Heywood is quite lovely.

Both scuppered by the fact one is in Rochdale and the other is in Heywood, rendering them utterly and irretrievably beyond the pale.

;)
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: The Legendary Shark 01 September, 2016, 11:32:40 AM
Northernerist! ;-)
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: Proudhuff 01 September, 2016, 11:33:37 AM
Yeah - even the one in Rochdale is s'ok, though it's the main boozer in town it's relatively good compared to anything in centre but the Baum.

The one in Heywood is quite lovely.

Both scuppered by the fact both are south of the border, rendering them utterly and irretrievably beyond the pale.

;)

FTFY
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Molch-R 01 September, 2016, 11:37:24 AM
Northernerist! ;-)

Anything to the right side of the Pennines is a-okay with me though ;)
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: The Legendary Shark 01 September, 2016, 12:05:37 PM
Northwesternerist! :-D
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: Hawkmumbler 01 September, 2016, 04:18:43 PM
Northernerist! ;-)

Anything to the right side of the Pennines is a-okay with me though ;)
Seemingly not content with destroying 2000AD from the inside, now Molch-R is determined to start another civil war!
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: Theblazeuk 01 September, 2016, 04:46:09 PM
Still smarting over the defeat of Richard III eh Molch. Not that you're wrong mind, I'm heading back to Dale in a couple of weeks and plan on leaving immediately for Hebden Bridge.
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: Molch-R 01 September, 2016, 04:51:11 PM
Seemingly not content with destroying 2000AD from the inside, now Molch-R is determined to start another civil war!

First mission seems to be going *really* well...

Still smarting over the defeat of Richard III eh Molch. Not that you're wrong mind, I'm heading back to Dale in a couple of weeks and plan on leaving immediately for Hebden Bridge.

Don't get me started ;) I lived in Littleborough for two years and escaped to Todmorden at every opportunity. And if there's a more depressing state of affairs than that I don't want to know...
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: dweezil2 01 September, 2016, 05:25:22 PM
Yeah - even the one in Rochdale is s'ok, though it's the main boozer in town it's relatively good compared to anything in centre but the Baum.

The one in Heywood is quite lovely.

Both scuppered by the fact one is in Rochdale and the other is in Heywood, rendering them utterly and irretrievably beyond the pale.

;)

Beyond the pale ale?  :o

I'll get my coat!
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Proudhuff 15 September, 2016, 01:36:45 PM
Northernerist! ;-)

Anything to the right side of the Pennines is a-okay with me though ;)

when you say 'right side' is that looking from here or there?
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: I, Cosh 23 September, 2016, 01:00:03 AM
Accelerated videos of someone making food. Normally a stew, tray bake or similar one-pot meal.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: DaveGYNWA 31 October, 2016, 06:11:50 PM
Project Managers. To be more specific, project managers from another company who can't get any of their own people to do the work required so have outsourced it to the firm I work for. And I'm the person doing the work.

Why is it grinding my gears? The job is a 4-day onsite in the middle of nowhere in Dorset, and the project manager has decided that he's going to also attend for the 4 days, and will also be staying at the same B&B as myself locally. Still not convinced? Well, just before 5:30 project manager sent 4 meeting invitations....1st one, all good. 10am discussion meeting tomorrow morning. The other 4? 8pm each evening apart from Friday, me and him plus others via phone. He's now wondering why I've declined them all.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: The Legendary Shark 31 October, 2016, 06:30:43 PM
All you need is a hooker and a phone cam...

: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Tjm86 31 October, 2016, 07:06:06 PM
Project Managers. To be more specific, project managers from another company who can't get any of their own people to do the work required

... The other 4? 8pm each evening apart from Friday, me and him plus others via phone. He's now wondering why I've declined them all.

Sounds like there might be something behind him not being able to get anyone in house to do it.  To whit, he's a complete muppet!
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: DaveGYNWA 06 November, 2016, 10:19:17 AM
Sounds like there might be something behind him not being able to get anyone in house to do it.  To whit, he's a complete muppet!

Well, the project manager at the customer thinks he's a complete muppet too. Week went well (for me) as several items I told them would be problematic did indeed prove problematic (ie they had a theory about something, I asked if they had tested the theory and they umm'ed and aah'ed so I went ahead and tested it to determine it didn't work.....and then they admitted that they hadn't had much success with it either) Job was estimated out by the project team to be nearly 2 weeks on-site originally, with 2 days for me to documentation....I got it done in 4 days (as I told them it would be) with the 2 days docs still to do (would have been quicker if the end-customer hadn't borked one of my servers on the first day)

The one really funny thing that came out of it was that PM bloke (who turned up an hour or so late on day one, so missed the 10am meeting) wasn't the only one from his company who was there....they had someone shadowing my work for 2 days, taking loads of notes and asking loads of questions, and he told me that the plan was for him to be the one to go in and do what I was doing. I 'accidentally' introduced a few wrong steps for him to follow and then corrected them after he left.

Ah well, won't be my problem in 2 weeks time as I'm leaving them on the 18th.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Tjm86 06 November, 2016, 10:34:23 AM
Why couldn't they have been more open and up front and simply asked you to train the guy up?  Acknowledge the gap in their knowledge  and be honest?  Sounds like a cracking company to work for, or rather a company to get away from as fast as humanly possible before finding out that you are screwed as they've just gone under!
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: DaveGYNWA 06 November, 2016, 02:59:25 PM
If they'd been up front then they would have had to pay for me to do the training up (my boss would have most likely charged them for the privilege) - this guy isn't from the company I work for, he's from the company that have the knowledge gap (what is funny is that they used to offer the service we provide, then they dropped their team....and are now appearing to put it back together)

Company I'm with is perfectly fine to work for (only reason I'm leaving is because after 18 months of working from home, I'm itching to get back in to an office environment)....it's the companies that outsource to us that are the pains in the arse (the PM and Shadowman being those pains this time around) - they go in to customer X, tell them they can deliver this and that and then come to us (the actual experts) and tell us this and that, and we point out that they've overplayed their hand and then they have to mop up the mess. And then they blame us for the customer kicking off at them.

As much as I love being the person who goes in and does the work, I do feel really sorry for the 'customer X' lot as they've had to deal with the PMs talking some amount of shite.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Theblazeuk 07 November, 2016, 10:35:56 AM
Ah, outsourcing. Least it's keeping you in scratch Dave :)

: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: radiator 21 November, 2016, 05:14:43 PM
So, genuinely curious; is there a specific reason why Apple make it so maddeningly difficult to import images from a desktop onto an iPhone? I quite often need to do this as I like to review and upload artwork and photos from my grown up camera, and with the latest iOS 'upgrade' they have now (seemingly spitefully) killed the ability to download and save image attachments from an email, which up until now has been the most convenient and hassle free workaround.

Yes, I'm aware it can be done with dropbox and iTunes and the Photos app, but both ways are far more difficult and convoluted than need be (requiring you to sync photos albums and all that palaver).. It's truly baffling. Is it a privacy thing?
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Theblazeuk 22 November, 2016, 10:51:41 AM
I could be missing something but as far as I can see, it's purely because it's easier on a Mac.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Jim_Campbell 22 November, 2016, 11:15:17 AM
with the latest iOS 'upgrade' they have now (seemingly spitefully) killed the ability to download and save image attachments from an email, which up until now has been the most convenient and hassle free workaround.

I haven't upgraded yet, but I believe if you press and hold the icon for the attached file in the email, the save options appear.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Grugz 28 November, 2016, 08:16:21 AM
the latest boots ad treating all the women who work on Christmas day...are boots going to treat all the men who do the same to a hot towel shave and a pint?

  excuse me while I go and burn my underpants and douse them in diet coke...
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: TordelBack 28 November, 2016, 09:34:00 AM
the latest boots ad treating all the women who work on Christmas day...are boots going to treat all the men who do the same to a hot towel shave and a pint?

As I understand it Beer companies do make the odd advert aimed at men, and barbers have their stripey poles. Boots, OTOH sees its core market as primarily made up of ladies and at Christmas men who buy stuff for ladies. TV adverts lead me understand that women are in constant pain, suffering from constipation, sorry 'slow digestive transit', bloating, noxious odours, unsightly growths of hair which are at best dull and lifeless, moisture oozing from any number of orifices,  and at least 9 signs of ageing from the age of 12.  You can see why a chemist might want their business. Leave 'em to it, I say: still working through that first bottle of Old Spice from 1985.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: JamesC 28 November, 2016, 10:58:37 AM
the latest boots ad treating all the women who work on Christmas day...are boots going to treat all the men who do the same to a hot towel shave and a pint?

As I understand it Beer companies do make the odd advert aimed at men,

Like this one for 'Hawk'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXcBVKjqW1Q
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: SuperSurfer 28 November, 2016, 12:28:28 PM
Leave 'em to it, I say: still working through that first bottle of Old Spice from 1985.
Brut 33 man, myself.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Frank 28 November, 2016, 01:43:12 PM
.
Advertisers target their customers. According to market research, the typical Boots customer is a middle aged, sensitive person who enjoys knitting, cooking and food shopping. Guess which gender 80% of them are (https://yougov.co.uk/opi/browse/Boots)?


: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Theblazeuk 28 November, 2016, 01:56:32 PM
Apparently London Pride is strongly associated with Celebrity>Donald Trump.

Thanks for ruining another thing YouGov.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: I, Cosh 28 November, 2016, 01:58:42 PM
.
Advertisers target their customers. According to market research, the typical Boots customer is a middle aged, sensitive person who enjoys knitting, cooking and food shopping. Guess which gender 80% of them are (https://yougov.co.uk/opi/browse/Boots)?
Interesting. Does this mean the nation's youth all get their mums to buy their johnnies nowadays? How progressive.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Hawkmumbler 28 November, 2016, 02:05:41 PM
Apparently London Pride is strongly associated with Celebrity>Donald Trump.

Thanks for ruining another thing YouGov.
London's LGBTQ+ community is riddled with xenophobia and racism. Some of the most jaw dropping cases of hypocrisy I've ever bore witness to.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Theblazeuk 28 November, 2016, 03:29:56 PM
Interesting. Does this mean the nation's youth all get their mums to buy their johnnies nowadays? How progressive.

Nah you just get them from the supermarket...
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Dandontdare 28 November, 2016, 03:46:53 PM
Apparently London Pride is strongly associated with Celebrity>Donald Trump.

Thanks for ruining another thing YouGov.
London's LGBTQ+ community is riddled with xenophobia and racism. Some of the most jaw dropping cases of hypocrisy I've ever bore witness to.

When we say 'London Pride" are we talking the mediocre real ale by Fuller or the annual rainbow parade?
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Theblazeuk 28 November, 2016, 03:56:43 PM
The former, hah!
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Hawkmumbler 28 November, 2016, 04:57:44 PM
Apparently London Pride is strongly associated with Celebrity>Donald Trump.

Thanks for ruining another thing YouGov.
London's LGBTQ+ community is riddled with xenophobia and racism. Some of the most jaw dropping cases of hypocrisy I've ever bore witness to.

When we say 'London Pride" are we talking the mediocre real ale by Fuller or the annual rainbow parade?
Well don't I feel like a turnip! :-[  :lol:
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Frank 28 November, 2016, 06:03:29 PM
Advertisers target their customers. According to market research, the typical Boots customer is a middle aged, sensitive person who enjoys knitting, cooking and food shopping. Guess which gender 80% of them are (https://yougov.co.uk/opi/browse/Boots)?

Interesting. Does this mean the nation's youth all get their mums to buy their johnnies nowadays?

Nah you just get them from the supermarket...

Self-scan, innit? And hope there isn't a problem with the barcode, or the attendant has to come over and eyeball the contents of your bag for life*.

Nobody searched for 2000ad (https://yougov.co.uk/opi/browse/2000_AD)? We're right wing millennials, who watch the news, quote Monty Python and drive Citroens.

Judge Dredd (https://yougov.co.uk/profileslite#/Judge_Dredd/demographics) fans, by contrast, are beardless middle aged architects with bad breath, who buy their Armani suits at Primark and spend a lot of time on the internet. Megazine (https://yougov.co.uk/opi/browse/Judge_Dredd_Megazine) readers are easy going gamers.


* That's not a euphemism for a condom, although - thinking about it - it should be.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Theblazeuk 29 November, 2016, 10:53:13 AM
Monty Python shows up all of these. I smell sampling flaws.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Frank 29 November, 2016, 11:20:26 AM
2000ad (https://yougov.co.uk/opi/browse/2000_AD) (readers are) right wing millennials, who watch the news, quote Monty Python and drive Citroens.

Judge Dredd (https://yougov.co.uk/profileslite#/Judge_Dredd/demographics) fans, by contrast, are beardless middle aged architects with bad breath, who buy their Armani suits at Primark and spend a lot of time on the internet. Megazine (https://yougov.co.uk/opi/browse/Judge_Dredd_Megazine) readers are easy going gamers.

Monty Python shows up all of these. I smell sampling flaws.

Typical 2000ad readers are young and Tory, but it's Python that makes you think this might not be science?


: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: The Legendary Shark 29 November, 2016, 11:39:26 AM
And what have the scientists ever done for us? They've bled us white, the bastards, to split their atoms and splice their genes. And not just from us but from our fathers and from our fathers' fathers...

: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Theblazeuk 29 November, 2016, 01:34:02 PM
Typical 2000ad readers are young and Tory, but it's Python that makes you think this might not be science?

It shows up on every page! It's like their main metric.

: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Frank 29 November, 2016, 01:44:01 PM
Typical 2000ad readers are young and Tory, but it's Python that makes you think this might not be science?

It shows up on every page! It's like their main metric.

Middle aged men and Python - goes with the territory: https://youtu.be/asUyK6JWt9U


: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: TordelBack 29 November, 2016, 02:30:29 PM
I loved the idea that average Dredd fans had £1000 a month spare cash. That's almost £50 for every working day. This is where Tharg is going wrong: the Meg should be 75% ads for titanium rolexes  and Virgin Galactic seats. And not, y'know, one for the Prog and one for the MegaCollection. Unless Sexy Ostriches is actually an amazingly subtle campaign for a real service?
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: JayzusB.Christ 30 November, 2016, 10:30:55 AM
I loved the idea that average Dredd fans had £1000 a month spare cash.

HAHAHAHA!
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: COMMANDO FORCES 30 November, 2016, 10:53:23 AM
What! You're telling me that you lot don't ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: TordelBack 30 November, 2016, 10:59:58 AM
What! You're telling me that you lot don't ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

We're not all selling off our nation's pop-cultural heritage, you know!
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: COMMANDO FORCES 30 November, 2016, 11:03:58 AM
It's terrible isn't it :lol:
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Hawkmumbler 30 November, 2016, 11:16:16 AM
You're worse than Hitler, Burris. WORSE!!!
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: The Legendary Shark 30 November, 2016, 03:03:05 PM
The seller-out of Dredd...

Be sad to see it go.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: SuperSurfer 30 November, 2016, 03:18:09 PM
The seller-out of Dredd...

At least we know there is a cure.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: JamesC 02 December, 2016, 05:50:12 PM
People on the bus who cough without covering their mouths.

People in shops with great big rucksacks on, knocking into things and generally getting in the way.


Both are things that made today a little bit worse.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Mattofthespurs 02 December, 2016, 06:15:21 PM
The seller-out of Dredd...

Be sad to see it go.

Leave. The. Man. Alone.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Mattofthespurs 02 December, 2016, 06:16:55 PM
Intolerant people who moan about rucksacks and coughing.

People moaning about other people selling off their own property.

Wankers in general (this has nothing to do with the above posts)
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: JamesC 03 December, 2016, 09:13:40 AM
Intolerant people who moan about rucksacks and coughing.

People moaning about other people selling off their own property.

Wankers in general (this has nothing to do with the above posts)

By all means take a rucksack out with you just try not to bash people with it or take up an entire aisle in a shop. And if you have to cough just cover your mouth!
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Mattofthespurs 03 December, 2016, 11:06:45 AM
Lol, I do love a rant at a rant.

It's the generalisation I dislike so much.

To be fair it works both ways. I've seen idiots on the tube with massive rucksacks oblivious to their surroundings and then, sometimes, when I'm at my local shop I have people stand so close to me that removing my rucksack so I can put my purchases into it means me stepping out of the queue so I don't bash people.

No one is perfect. The coughing thing I actually agree with.

Would like to add people not using indicators on their cars, or at all, correctly.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Fungus 03 December, 2016, 11:14:52 AM
Cars not indicating, yup, and a thousand other traffic offences -- which we covered in this thread (maybe) ?
I'll just add... driving in darkness with no lights on. I know the nights are drawing in, but come on...  :o
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Hawkmumbler 03 December, 2016, 11:44:06 AM
Speaking as a learner driver it actually frightens me a but how much bad driving ethic exists in Manchester. People who don't indicate, or even slow, to turn into a side street, tailgating, verbal abuse, and impatience.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Old Tankie 03 December, 2016, 12:36:12 PM
Misuse of blue badge parking.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Grugz 03 December, 2016, 05:04:47 PM
with tankie there especially when they take up two spaces in their car due to their flagrant disregard.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: JayzusB.Christ 03 December, 2016, 08:31:12 PM
Misuse of blue badge parking.

Hmmm... My friend's girlfriend has a sticker and parks in disabled spaces all the time.  People give her filthy looks as she hops out of the car looking fit and healthy, but the truth is that she has MS and not long ago had to relearn to walk after almost a year in hospital.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Old Tankie 03 December, 2016, 09:06:03 PM
She has a blue badge then that's fine, it's the people who don't but who park in the disabled parking bays I have a problem with.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: JayzusB.Christ 03 December, 2016, 10:39:29 PM
Fair enough. I agree totally in that case
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Woolly 04 December, 2016, 11:10:15 AM
Discovering the Zenith books are on sale, only for volume 3 to be removed from sale whilst I'm trying to add it to my order.

Bah!
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: The Legendary Shark 02 January, 2017, 02:18:54 PM
Carrie Fisher’s death could be a windfall for Disney. (http://nypost.com/2016/12/31/disney-could-receive-50m-for-carrie-fishers-death/)

: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: NapalmKev 05 February, 2017, 12:02:44 PM
Twitter! I returned to it after a long time and it's still a shitfest of bile.

: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: von Boom 05 February, 2017, 12:24:29 PM
Twitter! I returned to it after a long time and it's still a shitfest of bile.

You should work for their PR department.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: NapalmKev 05 February, 2017, 12:25:56 PM
Twitter! I returned to it after a long time and it's still a shitfest of bile.

You should work for their PR department.

Eh?
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: von Boom 05 February, 2017, 12:31:18 PM
Twitter! I returned to it after a long time and it's still a shitfest of bile.

You should work for their PR department.

Eh?

Sorry, my  :lol: was erased.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Hawkmumbler 05 February, 2017, 01:50:50 PM
Between the block function and multi levelled filters, I still find Twitter to be the best social media platform. Facebook and Tumblr are dead in the water at this point.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Mister Pops 22 February, 2017, 04:15:10 AM
A rant should be a ridiculous wall of text, not a pithy sentance suffixed with "RANT OVER!"









/RANT
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Supreme Pizza Of The DPRK 30 May, 2017, 07:22:40 PM
Lawyers.

"Do you have any information about contacts made with the Kremlin?"
"That question is overly broad and not capable of being answered"

C*****

The Simpsons said it best

(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/simpsons/images/9/9b/Best-simpsons-gifs-world-without-lawyers.gif/revision/latest?cb=20130920112217)

: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: von Boom 31 May, 2017, 07:32:44 PM
Perfectly healthy people using the handicap assist button on doors. Lazy gits.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Mattofthespurs 01 June, 2017, 08:18:04 AM
Perfectly healthy people using the handicap assist button on doors. Lazy gits.

Not sure I see the problem with this.
It's a labour saving device.
It's, in my eyes, saying that people should not use electric saws when a hand saw is available.
Having said that the only assist button I use to open the door is at the local cinema and that's because half the time the regular door is locked.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Theblazeuk 01 June, 2017, 09:46:02 AM
Some of those doors don't open very well if you do them manually though. The one at Shep Bush library for instance often feels like you're pulling against the motors if you don't press the button.

I want to open the door but I don't want to break it
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Supreme Pizza Of The DPRK 01 June, 2017, 10:14:59 AM
The one at Shep Bush library for instance

That's just probably due to a lack of use :D

: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Link Prime 22 June, 2017, 01:12:59 PM
News articles composed of Twitter comments.

When did this become a thing?
Sure, you'd expect it from the gutter press websites, but when you have 'news articles' on RTE.ie simply printing the opinionated tweets of some randomers it's head scratching.
Or am I missing the point- is it the fact that 'Twitter is reacting' to something the actual news?

Now if you'll excuse me I have to go outside and shake my wizened fist at the sky.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Michael Knight 22 June, 2017, 07:36:23 PM
Music noise in supermarkets, especially at entrance to Tesco Extra. Grrrrrrr! I love music I truly do but don't need it blaring out OTT whilst I'm at news and mags section. Maybe it a ploy to stop me reading in store lol
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: sheridan 23 June, 2017, 01:01:44 PM
News articles composed of Twitter comments.

When did this become a thing?
Sure, you'd expect it from the gutter press websites, but when you have 'news articles' on RTE.ie simply printing the opinionated tweets of some randomers it's head scratching.
Or am I missing the point- is it the fact that 'Twitter is reacting' to something the actual news?

Now if you'll excuse me I have to go outside and shake my wizened fist at the sky.

As if that isn't bad enough, the way they present them drags the data direct from twitter, which freezes poor old computers like mine :(
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Theblazeuk 23 June, 2017, 03:08:10 PM
Yeah but it allows for people to do stuff like this - http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/blogger-changes-twitter-name-dont-12017410

I've seen "**** the Daily Heil" and more as tabloids publish these kind of articles :)
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: The Doctor Alt 8 23 June, 2017, 04:06:21 PM

What annoys me?

The fact that I can't buy sandwichs because 99% of them come with mayonnaise, pickles, sauses and other dressings that I can't stand. It's easy enough to put these condiments in a separate sachet and when you consider the many people with food allergies and intolerances I am surprised no one complains about this. Just give me the choice of having your muck on my food.

People (OK Henry) who... on the rare occasion that I remember a dream and I tell them about it... STARTS APPLYING LOGIC to the dream and telling you what you SHOULD HAVE DONE.
Man splaining taken to the nith level right?

IT'S a DREAM. I am not going to have it again. the delight about them is their non logic.... and non consequence. Just SHUT IT.

: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: JoFox2108 23 June, 2017, 04:22:57 PM
Things that annoy me...

(1) Being forced to listen to music in places I can't leave without giving myself a problem, like the waiting room for the doctors.  I know some people find it relaxing but I don't, it drives me insane.  I feel the same in shops, I just can't wait to get out of there.

(2) Deliberate cruelty, even if it's a small thing, especially if the person being cruel laughs.  It just makes me instantly 'red hot' angry.

(3) People who throw lit cigarettes out of the car window when you're on a motocycle behind them.  Got my cheek burned by one that went inside my helmet, plus nearly high-sided my favourite Kawasaki.



 

: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Tjm86 23 June, 2017, 04:40:53 PM
people who use massive fonts and capitals to make sure you get the point.

 ::)
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: radiator 09 October, 2017, 05:42:04 PM
Movie trailers in front of movie trailers.

You know what I'm talking about, right? These days, you go on to Youtube to watch the latest movie trailer, and for some unfathomable reason the studio has decided to put a 5 second trailer for the trailer you're about to watch at the beginning of the trailer.

I can only guess at what the reasoning behind this is (the studios have such a low opinion of their customers' attention spans they are worried they won't stick around for the whole 90 seconds?!?!?!) but all it does it slightly spoil any sense of build up or anticipation of watching a new trailer.

Baffling.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Keef Monkey 10 October, 2017, 12:38:57 PM
Movie trailers in front of movie trailers.

You know what I'm talking about, right? These days, you go on to Youtube to watch the latest movie trailer, and for some unfathomable reason the studio has decided to put a 5 second trailer for the trailer you're about to watch at the beginning of the trailer.

I can only guess at what the reasoning behind this is (the studios have such a low opinion of their customers' attention spans they are worried they won't stick around for the whole 90 seconds?!?!?!) but all it does it slightly spoil any sense of build up or anticipation of watching a new trailer.

Baffling.

I find this really annoying too. The most recent one I saw was for Justice League, where the 5 second trailer preview was basically an arse shot of Wonder Woman, which wasn't even in the trailer. As if they were so concerned people didn't have the attention span to get through a 2 second WB logo so needed to show them an arse first. That stuff is beyond insulting.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: JamesC 10 October, 2017, 01:00:24 PM
1. People who view food in terms of fashion.

2. Bargain Hunt.

: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: radiator 11 October, 2017, 12:21:11 AM
Movie trailers in front of movie trailers.

You know what I'm talking about, right? These days, you go on to Youtube to watch the latest movie trailer, and for some unfathomable reason the studio has decided to put a 5 second trailer for the trailer you're about to watch at the beginning of the trailer.

I can only guess at what the reasoning behind this is (the studios have such a low opinion of their customers' attention spans they are worried they won't stick around for the whole 90 seconds?!?!?!) but all it does it slightly spoil any sense of build up or anticipation of watching a new trailer.

Baffling.

I find this really annoying too. The most recent one I saw was for Justice League, where the 5 second trailer preview was basically an arse shot of Wonder Woman, which wasn't even in the trailer. As if they were so concerned people didn't have the attention span to get through a 2 second WB logo so needed to show them an arse first. That stuff is beyond insulting.

A bit of explanation here - apparently it's to grab people's attention if the trailer is posted on social media, which I suppose makes sense in that specific context - less so if it's the main trailer posted on a movie studios official channel where people will actively go to seek it out. The editing and presentation of trailers is an artform in itself - it's a shame they feel the need to sully that with this obnoxious trend.

https://www.theverge.com/2016/4/22/11487410/movie-trailers-independence-day-jason-bourne (https://www.theverge.com/2016/4/22/11487410/movie-trailers-independence-day-jason-bourne)

I hate all this desperate pandering to short attention spans. It's like on the radio where they edit songs down to such an insane degree that I sincerely predict that within a few years pop stations will give up any pretense of actually playing songs and they'll just play 5 second snippets of the chorus before moving on to the next.
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: JamesC 11 October, 2017, 06:25:28 AM
Someone told me that most pop songs written in the last five years have intros that last less than 5 seconds. This apparently because, if someone listens to the song on Spotify or whatever, it only counts once the singing starts. Not sure if that's true and if so I'm not sure how it works for instrumentals.
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: Mattofthespurs 11 October, 2017, 07:51:32 AM
Someone told me that most pop songs written in the last five years have intros that last less than 5 seconds. This apparently because, if someone listens to the song on Spotify or whatever, it only counts once the singing starts. Not sure if that's true and if so I'm not sure how it works for instrumentals.

There was an article in the paper claiming this last week which listed the longest intros and how they don't appear on many mainstream playlists. Which is fine by me as I don't listen to mainstream radio.
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: Tjm86 19 November, 2017, 03:39:23 PM
A dodgy clutch pedal.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: radiator 08 March, 2018, 08:51:07 PM
Pushy, nagging eBay buyers - the ones that immediately start pestering you with nagging emails the second they win an auction about when they're going to get the item. Happens almost every time I sell anything. >:(
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: Professor Bear 08 March, 2018, 09:57:03 PM
I'm more grateful to be rid of a mountain of tat than I am to be getting any money for it, but Ebayers who haggle over literal pennies are a peeve.  I don't just mean the types who demand combined postage on multiple items you were already selling at a price that covered Ebay's selling fees and no more, I mean people who send you detailed instructions how to pack their items, like the guy who wanted me to construct a package from a cereal box and sticky tape in order to pack multiple items Tetris-like in the least amount of space so the post office would class it as a small package and he could save 8 pence.
I'm beginning to formulate a theory why Ebay has removed negative reviews from its site.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Eric Plumrose 09 March, 2018, 09:30:17 AM
Cold callers who now open with "S'okay, nothing to worry about".

Wankers had me paranoid awhile I was scowling every time I answered the door.
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: The Legendary Shark 09 March, 2018, 10:08:00 AM
"S'okay, nothing to worry about."

"Really? Wow, that's a great relief, thanks."

Close the door.

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: Link Prime 09 March, 2018, 11:46:01 AM
Cold callers who now open with "S'okay, nothing to worry about".


I genuinely stopped answering my hall door in 2008. Nuthin good ever came of it.
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: The Legendary Shark 09 March, 2018, 12:28:08 PM
Answer the door naked and holding a plucked chicken. The caller soon goes away.

: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Hawkmumbler 09 March, 2018, 03:23:53 PM
People who react to statistics, citations and facts in discussions with strawmen, whataboutisms and worst of all...memes.

So basically any public forum that isn’t this fair place then.
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: Mardroid 10 March, 2018, 12:51:24 PM
Buses that leave the bus stop early.

This happened a couple of times to me recently. I waited inside somewhere warm, keeping an eye on the scheduled time, and arrive at the bus stop with a couple of minutes to spare... to see the bus drive off. And these buses aren’t London buses so it’s a while to the next one.

I know, I know. Just arrive at the bus stop even earlier, but I don’t think they should leave early. On the dot of time, fair enough...
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: The Legendary Shark 10 March, 2018, 01:00:56 PM
When I drove for National Express what seems like three lifetimes ago now, the mantra was, "to be late is an accident, to be early is a sin."

The times I've sat at a bus stop in the middle of nowhere, with huffing passengers, waiting for a precise time and knowing that from now on I'm going to start falling behind and finish late are without number. Well, six or seven times at least.

Anyway. Yes. I agree, buses should never run early. We are bus drivers, we live for the 001 South, we die for the 001 South.

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: radiator 30 May, 2018, 06:02:25 PM
People who recline their seats on a plane. Scum. Subhuman scum.
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: Pyroxian 30 May, 2018, 06:28:57 PM
People who recline their seats on a plane. Scum. Subhuman scum.

I don't generally mind if they ask first...
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: Dandontdare 30 May, 2018, 07:05:10 PM
If my seat is reclinable, I'm reclining baby!
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: von Boom 30 May, 2018, 07:27:38 PM
Just rest your tray on their foreheads.
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: radiator 30 May, 2018, 08:16:51 PM
It's not something I would ever do. The minimal extra comfort you gain is so out of whack with the massive extra discomfort you inflict on the poor bastard seated behind. Isn't plane travel already miserable enough for all concerned?
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: JamesC 30 May, 2018, 09:21:29 PM
Once upon a time people were permitted to smoke on planes. Imagine that.
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: sheridan 31 May, 2018, 12:30:44 AM
There was an article in the paper claiming this last week which listed the longest intros and how they don't appear on many mainstream playlists. Which is fine by me as I don't listen to mainstream radio.


What paper was that in?  There's a few songs where the intros are the best bit (and at least one band where the intros were great, the songs not so).
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: Richard 02 June, 2018, 12:00:02 AM
I don't generally mind if they ask first...
Do you say no? Does it work?
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: radiator 02 June, 2018, 12:56:24 AM
I don't generally mind if they ask first...
Do you say no? Does it work?

I believe the accepted British way of dealing with the situation is to say yes out of politeness, then resent them bitterly for the rest of the flight.
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: Pyroxian 02 June, 2018, 11:27:13 AM
I don't generally mind if they ask first...
Do you say no? Does it work?

I usually say yes, because I can cope with a small amount of legroom :)
: Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
: radiator 06 February, 2019, 09:15:30 PM
Nostalgia-driven advertising.

In the last few months I've seen Home Alone leveraged to advertise those useless smart speakers, The Dude from The Big Lebowski and Carrie Bradshaw from Sex and the City awkwardly shilling beer, Buffy the Vampire Slayer hawking skin cream, some incredibly lame Ghostbusters themed bank adverts, and a whole host famous vehicles from the likes of Back to the Future, Transformers and Scooby Doo in a Walmart ad.... And it just goes on and on.

It feels like every ad agency just got the green light to stripmine everything we remember fondly from the 80s and 90s, in favour of, you know, coming up with some actual clever ideas.

It's so tacky, so lazy, so desperate and all it does is cheapen the source material. Far from making me want to buy things, more often I just find the ads vaguely sad and depressing, in a 'wow, don't they all look so old and tired?' kind of way.
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: Funt Solo 06 February, 2019, 10:18:56 PM
Having The Dude and Carrie Bradshaw drinking in the same bar was hopelessly incongruous.   Everyone in the bar getting freaked out and surprised at people drinking beer was also forced and odd.  What message was this attempting to send to the Superbowl audience?
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: Professor Bear 06 February, 2019, 10:39:07 PM
Everybody grows up with media created by those who lived through previous decades, and that media to a certain extent fetishises the culture and attitudes of those decades.  It's a little more full-on this time around because all of previous culture is in one way or another practically on tap for younger generations.  I just wish they'd stop fetishising the 1980s, a garbage decade full of garbage culture that practically enshrined the notion of it being admirable to be an asshole.  Any fucking wonder the internet turned out like it has.
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: JamesC 07 February, 2019, 05:59:57 AM
People used to talk about the shared universe of Quentin Tarantino’s films. Vincent Vega is the brother of Mr Blonde, Alabama (from True Romance) is mentioned by Mr White etc.
I wonder if the Winston Wolf Direct Line insurance adverts are supposed to take place in the same universe and, if so,what prompted the character’s move from LA to the UK.
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: CalHab 07 February, 2019, 07:47:59 AM
People used to talk about the shared universe of Quentin Tarantino’s films. Vincent Vega is the brother of Mr Blonde, Alabama (from True Romance) is mentioned by Mr White etc.
I wonder if the Winston Wolf Direct Line insurance adverts are supposed to take place in the same universe and, if so,what prompted the character’s move from LA to the UK.
He was forced to leave LA when a pair of Russian meerkats came in and put the squeeze on him.