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: GQ: How 2000ad Predicted The Future
: Frank 27 April, 2014, 08:15:03 PM

http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/comment/articles/2014-04/23/2000-ad-the-comic-that-foretold-the-future

Wagner and Grant foresaw TOWIE and Banksie, apparently. I share the author's disappointment that Dave The Orangutan has neither been elected nor assassinated as yet, but feel he may have missed the point Wagner and Grant were making about all elected office if he thinks we don't already live in a world of Dave The Orangutans.

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: JOE SOAP 27 April, 2014, 08:17:33 PM
he may have missed the point Wagner and Grant were making about all elected office if he thinks we don't already live in a world of Dave The Orangutans.


And P.J. Maybes.
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: Frank 27 April, 2014, 08:25:08 PM
he may have missed the point Wagner and Grant were making about all elected office if he thinks we don't already live in a world of Dave The Orangutans.

And P.J. Maybes

At this point, I think most folk would welcome the opportunity to be governed by a benevolent and capable psychopath. The current crop only appear to possess the latter of those qualities (http://tropicaltheartist.wordpress.com/2014/04/27/blundering-toward-ma ss-psychopathy/).

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: Steve Green 27 April, 2014, 08:34:24 PM
Some are more Dave than others.

(http://www.psa.ac.uk/sites/default/files/group_blog/Boris%2BJohnson%2Bball1.jpg)

(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/10/109303/2453014-comic_0001.jpg)
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: COMMANDO FORCES 27 April, 2014, 08:47:13 PM
Pah! My hometown actually did it, well sort of ;)

Monkey (mascot) elected as Mayor in Hartlepool (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/1965569.stm)
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: ZenArcade 27 April, 2014, 09:15:18 PM
What was the old English folk myth about a town that hung a monkey during the Napoleonic wars as they thought the said.monkey was a French spy?
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: Old Tankie 27 April, 2014, 09:22:28 PM
Yes that was Hartlepool.
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: mogzilla 27 April, 2014, 09:24:55 PM
no mention of smoking bans?
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: ZenArcade 27 April, 2014, 10:22:51 PM
Well the publicity in GQ is welcome.....is its readership in our demographic?
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: Professor Bear 27 April, 2014, 10:51:22 PM
I share the author's disappointment that Dave The Orangutan has neither been elected nor assassinated as yet, but feel he may have missed the point Wagner and Grant were making about all elected office if he thinks we don't already live in a world of Dave The Orangutans.

Some would argue that W&G were remarkably on-the-nose about a politician who wasn't capable of governing and who insists on being called "Dave" to give the illusion that he's human.

The only thing they got wrong was that the monkey was actually elected by the people and not just a legal-loophole booby prize.
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: Frank 10 May, 2014, 06:41:54 PM

Smart gun technology is the latest consumer product and hot topic in the USA - the NRA don't like 'em. Sensors in the grip detect the user's palm print and stop the weapon being fired by an unauthorised user. They were initially developed for use by law enforcement officers ...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/josephsteinberg/2014/05/04/smartguns/

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: ZenArcade 11 May, 2014, 12:47:40 PM
They wouldn't work if you were wearing gloves......snigger. Z
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: Frank 11 May, 2014, 02:10:05 PM
They wouldn't work if you were wearing gloves

Apparently, the main problem is the debit card or Wi-Fi type technology involved means your gat only works 95% of the time, making a smart gun less than ideal for self defence. Another interesting wrinkle is that the weapons are vulnerable to computer hacking, which could render them useless. Wagner sort of covered that in The Doomsday Scenario, but it would still be an interesting angle for another writer to explore ...

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: Frank 11 May, 2014, 05:20:58 PM

From winning the affections of Nikolai Dante in 1997 (prog 1066), to winning Eurovision (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaolVEJEjV4) in 2014. Tharg, predicting the future since 1977:

(http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s410/sauchieboy/8574e7f5-7111-4920-ba2e-45ac942ca9f5.jpg?t=1399824224)(http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s410/sauchieboy/977268bc-aac6-4469-ba08-8c911d3ff32b.jpg?t=1399824574)
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: ZenArcade 11 May, 2014, 06:38:34 PM
Implant a transmitter with a very limited range in the hand itself and marry the code to a very short range reciever in the weapon. Z Tek Div, here I come!!
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: Sector Chief 26 June, 2014, 10:49:32 PM
Long after the 2014 World Cup the influence of the infamous Luis Suárez would continue, an affliction that would become known as Biter’s Disease (aka Tetanus 27).

(http://i62.tinypic.com/2vhvnrl.png)
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: Bubba Zebill 27 June, 2014, 11:44:31 AM
In 1977 this current report of the 'dangerous militarisation' of the police would have been...science fiction.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/06/24/325236889/report-points-to-dangerous-militarization-of-u-s-law-enforcement?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20140625
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: Bubba Zebill 27 June, 2014, 11:47:18 AM
'Fat Acceptance Movement' AKA 'Fat Pride' 'Fat Power' ...in 1980 this would have been science-fi...I'll get my belly-wheel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_acceptance_movement

http://www.dmoz.org/Society/Issues/Health/Body_Image/Fat_Acceptance
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: Hawkmumbler 27 June, 2014, 01:40:20 PM

From winning the affections of Nikolai Dante in 1997 (prog 1066), to winning Eurovision (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaolVEJEjV4) in 2014. Tharg, predicting the future since 1977:

(http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s410/sauchieboy/8574e7f5-7111-4920-ba2e-45ac942ca9f5.jpg?t=1399824224)(http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s410/sauchieboy/977268bc-aac6-4469-ba08-8c911d3ff32b.jpg?t=1399824574)

Except Conchita Wurst is, what would generally be considered, a male. And the Lady Eudoxia Looshin is deffinelty, what would be considered by most, a female.
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: IAMTHESYSTEM 27 June, 2014, 02:28:42 PM
That is seriously scary. :o
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: JayzusB.Christ 27 June, 2014, 04:19:34 PM
Which prog was that biter scene in?  The only MC1 biter I remember was in the first Kenny Who story. 
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: Sector Chief 27 June, 2014, 04:50:48 PM
Which prog was that biter scene in?  The only MC1 biter I remember was in the first Kenny Who story.

Daily Star strip called 'Mega-City Biter'
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: Satanist 27 June, 2014, 06:12:17 PM

Smart gun technology is the latest consumer product and hot topic in the USA - the NRA don't like 'em. Sensors in the grip detect the user's palm print and stop the weapon being fired by an unauthorised user. They were initially developed for use by law enforcement officers ...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/josephsteinberg/2014/05/04/smartguns/

I wrote a letter to Tharg about that years ago, cannae remember the prog though.

What about Batgliders and those mad bastards in wingsuits?
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: judgerussell 27 June, 2014, 09:07:31 PM
There was a recurring section in the prog back in around 1995ish that showed how the tech was coming into the real world. I would hunt for pictures, but I can't upload pictures on this website with my iPad.
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: ZenArcade 27 June, 2014, 11:50:20 PM
The early annuals did a lot of tech stuff: NASA mainly, facinating when you were a kid. Z
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: JayzusB.Christ 28 June, 2014, 02:06:03 PM
Which prog was that biter scene in?  The only MC1 biter I remember was in the first Kenny Who story.

Daily Star strip called 'Mega-City Biter'

Cheers - I've probably read it, but it would have been many years ago
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: pert 30 June, 2014, 04:01:16 PM
Drone cameras?
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: Rogue Earthlet 01 July, 2014, 11:42:25 PM

http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/comment/articles/2014-04/23/2000-ad-the-comic-that-foretold-the-future

Wagner and Grant foresaw TOWIE and Banksie, apparently. I share the author's disappointment that Dave The Orangutan has neither been elected nor assassinated as yet, but feel he may have missed the point Wagner and Grant were making about all elected office if he thinks we don't already live in a world of Dave The Orangutans.

I remember about thirty years ago a Stronty Dog tale predicted riots against the poll tax, and sure enough it came to pass. But I hadn't realised so many events had been predicted accurately. Some of Tharg's droids must have an oracle programme!
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: Frank 13 August, 2014, 06:56:27 PM

Dog elected Mayor of Missouri town. Whether you think that's more or less ridiculous than an orang-utan holding the same office in MC1 depends on your estimation of the respective intelligence quotient and trustworthiness of each species.

ind.pn/1urU8QX  (http://ind.pn/1urU8QX)

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: JayzusB.Christ 13 August, 2014, 10:04:31 PM
There was also the Labour leader John Smith dying of a heart attack in Zenith, shortly before he did in reality.
Less impressive was Tony Blair becoming Prime Minister in Maniac 5 - he committed suicide some time before the first series, then Mark Millar forgot and he came to life back in the third.
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: Frank 13 August, 2014, 10:10:20 PM
Less impressive was Tony Blair becoming Prime Minister in Maniac 5 - he committed suicide some time before the first series, then Mark Millar forgot and he came to life back in the third.

Ha! Blair would have enjoyed that - death and resurrection are very much in keeping with the messianic image he has of himself.

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: Frank 27 August, 2014, 09:16:51 PM

Ambitious plans suggest skyscrapers of the future may one day house an entire city. The 'Endless City' project would see a giant skyscraper as tall as The Shard in London, built with its own complete ecosystem featuring offices, shops and 'huge' parks.

London is the proposed city for the mixed-use tower in which different areas of the building would be linked by a series of bridges and walkways helping to 'increase exchanges, communications and interactions, creating a 'vertical city' housing thousands.

It would include a raft of public spaces, entertainment zones and shopping areas to create a 'vertical city'. Residents would be able to walk up a series of interlinked ramps through vibrant streets, plazas, technological spaces and 'huge' parks in a 'complex and rich system like a real city'. (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2735522/City-sky-Ambitious-tower-block-house-thousands-people-schools-offices-shops-parks.html)


(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/08/27/1409130387798_wps_9_MANDATORY_BYLINE_PIC_BY_S.jpg)
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: Bubba Zebill 27 August, 2014, 09:37:00 PM
Perfect!

From winning the affections of Nikolai Dante in 1997 (prog 1066), to winning Eurovision (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaolVEJEjV4) in 2014. Tharg, predicting the future since 1977:

(http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s410/sauchieboy/8574e7f5-7111-4920-ba2e-45ac942ca9f5.jpg?t=1399824224)(http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s410/sauchieboy/977268bc-aac6-4469-ba08-8c911d3ff32b.jpg?t=1399824574)

Except Conchita Wurst is, what would generally be considered, a male. And the Lady Eudoxia Looshin is deffinelty, what would be considered by most, a female.
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: I, Cosh 29 August, 2014, 01:53:10 PM
Next time, we use the riot foam before kick-off (http://video.foxnews.com/v/3751581966001/massive-fire-suppressant-spill-at-army-national-guard-base/#sp=show-clips).
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: judgerufian 29 August, 2014, 01:56:35 PM
Next time, we use the riot foam before kick-off (http://video.foxnews.com/v/3751581966001/massive-fire-suppressant-spill-at-army-national-guard-base/#sp=show-clips).
So thats why the judges didnt use it on DoC!
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: Buttonman 30 August, 2014, 12:34:13 PM

Smart gun technology is the latest consumer product and hot topic in the USA - the NRA don't like 'em. Sensors in the grip detect the user's palm print and stop the weapon being fired by an unauthorised user. They were initially developed for use by law enforcement officers ...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/josephsteinberg/2014/05/04/smartguns/

I wrote a letter to Tharg about that years ago, cannae remember the prog though.

OhOh late to the party - cheers Danddontdare for the heads up. What's your surname Satanist - I know you're mark but I have a few Glasgow Marks and I don't want them getting excited. Approx Pog range ould also lend credibility to your claim.

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: Toni Scandella 31 August, 2014, 07:59:18 PM
"different areas of the building would be linked by a series of bridges and walkways helping to 'increase exchanges, communications and interactions, creating a 'vertical city' housing thousands" - sounds similar to the way that the old Crescents in Hulme were promoted when they were being built.  Those worked well...
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: JOE SOAP 31 August, 2014, 09:51:51 PM
"different areas of the building would be linked by a series of bridges and walkways helping to 'increase exchanges, communications and interactions, creating a 'vertical city' housing thousands" - sounds similar to the way that the old Crescents in Hulme were promoted when they were being built.  Those worked well...


Streets in the Sky (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVGMyo40SyE) is an old idea.


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: Bolt-01 01 September, 2014, 03:04:55 PM
I lived in Hulme in the late 70's, and the crescents were flippin' great to skateboard on. A lovely smooth surface. All gone now...
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: Satanist 01 September, 2014, 03:15:59 PM

Smart gun technology is the latest consumer product and hot topic in the USA - the NRA don't like 'em. Sensors in the grip detect the user's palm print and stop the weapon being fired by an unauthorised user. They were initially developed for use by law enforcement officers ...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/josephsteinberg/2014/05/04/smartguns/

I wrote a letter to Tharg about that years ago, cannae remember the prog though.

OhOh late to the party - cheers Danddontdare for the heads up. What's your surname Satanist - I know you're mark but I have a few Glasgow Marks and I don't want them getting excited. Approx Pog range ould also lend credibility to your claim.

Just checked on Barney and think its prog 1376. My one and only entry in Thargs organ. Ffnarr!
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: Dandontdare 01 September, 2014, 03:56:32 PM
I lived in Hulme in the late 70's, and the crescents were flippin' great to skateboard on. A lovely smooth surface. All gone now...

By the time I moved to Hulme in 1990, they were good for late night shebeens, smack dealers, dogshit and muggings.

Still, at least the place had energy and character with loads of squatting punks, poets, musicians and artists. Nowadays Hulme is just new-build student flats and yuppie apartments for the city centre workers, and all but one or two of the dozens of pubs has shut down. The bit I live in (known as the redbricks) is one of the few old bits that survived the demolition, and it's like a nature reserve of the old Hulme - a protected sanctuary for the punks and crusties.
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: Toni Scandella 01 September, 2014, 06:01:53 PM
I never lived there as in, had a rent book (not that anyone bothered collecting rent there anyway) but I did wind up staying there a lot in the late 80's as a lot of the flats by then were just empty, and most of my friends lived there. Miss that place!
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: Dandontdare 01 September, 2014, 06:27:43 PM
I never lived there as in, had a rent book (not that anyone bothered collecting rent there anyway) but I did wind up staying there a lot in the late 80's as a lot of the flats by then were just empty, and most of my friends lived there. Miss that place!

you should have stuck around a bit - when they finally came to demolish the blocks, any remaining squatters got rehoused - with compensation! (before all the frothing rightwingers want to string me up, we did offer to pay rent, but they refused to give us a rent book as we were "illegal occupiers", but could not evict us as they'd then have to rehouse us anyway, so they were happy to turn a blind eye to the squatters in the empty flats.)

We got a flat in the redbricks (and started paying rent) and I've been in that same flat for the last 21 years.
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: Buttonman 01 September, 2014, 07:55:55 PM


Just checked on Barney and think its prog 1376. My one and only entry in Thargs organ. Ffnarr!

Hmm let's check that fanciful yet still unimpressive claim...

Whrrrrrr-ting

LAURENCE   O'ROURKE   EDINBURGH   1376
LINTON   PORTEOUS LLL   DUNDEE   1376
RICHARD   KAVANAGH RRR   DUBLIN   1376
CLIVE   JEVONS   E-MAIL   1376
FLOYD   KERMODE FFF   JAPAN   1376
MARK   KENNEDY   GLASGOW   1376
JEAN           BENFORD   LONDON   1376
RICHARD   BALMER   HERTFORDSHIRE   1376

Well OK - in amongst a couple of letters greats there - and Floyd too! Hahahahaha!
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: Bubba Zebill 02 September, 2014, 05:15:18 PM
Vehicles made of living materials...reminded me of Nemesis.
http://www.dezeen.com/2014/06/10/dezeen-and-mini-frontiers-exhibition-the-future-of-mobility/
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: Frank 23 September, 2014, 05:51:03 PM

DRESS NORMAL

(http://i.imgur.com/wz68o1l.png?1)

SOMEWHERE between the New York and Paris collections, a new word crept into the fashion lexicon. "Normcore", defined as a bland anti-style, was bandied around everywhere, from the front row to Twitter and New York Magazine. The notion of dressing in an utterly conventional, nondescript way struck a collective chord. But what is normcore, and where did it come from?

http://www.vogue.co.uk/news/2014/03/21/normcore-fashion-vogue---definition


Peacocking, patchworking trends and making a statement with not just your necklace, but your bag, shoes and sweatshirt to boot, has been the order of the day (but) thanks to that more-is-more approach "Everyone is so special that no one is special". As with anything that grows too popular, the backlash has already begun, and blending in is the new standing out. As New York put it in February, normcore is "fashion for those who realise they're one in seven billion".

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/fashion/features/normcore-fashion-blending-in-is-the-new-standing-out-in-latest-catwalk-nontrend-9738736.html


(http://i.imgur.com/1UF3jiY.jpg?1)
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: japandroid 02 October, 2014, 07:33:59 PM
Stogie!! Electronic ciggies! I gave up 4 years ago by reading the Alan Carr book and going cold turkey. If E Fags had been around then I'd probably still be smoking now.
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: Steve Green 02 October, 2014, 08:21:42 PM
It did make me smile when I saw John W smoking an e-pipe at Lawgiver.

It didn't walk and talk though...
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: Frank 02 October, 2014, 08:52:55 PM

As recently pointed out here, it really doesn't pay to dwell too much on which particular part of Stogie's robo-anatomy Sam Slade used to suck on as he exclaimed ¡ay-ay-ay, Señor!  Worth remembering that Stogie wasn't just another example of the way everyday objects in the Robo-hunter-verse were mechanised - his purpose was to get Slade to cut down on his nicotine intake.



* and quell IPC's outrage at having a character smoking in a kids' comic
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: japandroid 02 October, 2014, 09:06:01 PM
E Smoking is probably the worst and most harmful invention of the 21st Century. As with Stogie they are meant to lower nicotine intake but are more used as a means to smoke in public places.
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: Frank 02 October, 2014, 09:12:52 PM

They do solve the problem of smoking looking cool, though. Nobody is ever going to get laid because they were chewing on a bic biro full of bong water.


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: japandroid 02 October, 2014, 10:15:03 PM
Yeah right. When I first saw one of those mammoth chaps I thought it was a bong. The evil of the world are yet again making a killing out of nonsense.
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: Frank 02 February, 2015, 02:40:02 PM

An answer to the question that troubles me most - HOW DOES MEGACITY ONE'S ECONOMY FUNCTION IF NOBODY ACTUALLY WORKS? (http://When the internet age began, economists blithely expected it to be a repeat of the Belle Epoque. Instead, in the developed world, it created a workforce whose incomes cannot rise, shunted by the million into what anthropologist David Graeber has called “bullshit jobs”: that is, menial, low-paid work for which there is no obvious social rationale.

For those who saw this problem early, the solutions proposed included “work-life balance”, the shorter working week, and the advance of commercial norms into parts of human life currently uncommercialised. We would all become service workers – some called to the Bar, some providing webcam porn – and work fewer hours.

It was the French social philosopher Andre Gorz who saw the logical flaws in that. People would resist the commercialisation of human life, he predicted. Gorz saw the basic income not as a solution to welfare costs, nor as a way to undermine cheap labour, but as a transitional subsidy towards a low- or zero-work society. It should, he wrote, enable us to “refuse work”; it would represent “the pooling of socially produced wealth”.

But it would be one massive act of pooling. If you do a fag-packet calulation, you can see why in the long-run the only form the basic income could take is that of a radical challenge to market economics. (I stress what follows is conjecture, and not an attempt to number crunch today’s party-political proposals).)

Paying everyone a basic income would kill off low-paid menial jobs | Paul Mason http://gu.com/p/45cey/stw (http://gu.com/p/45cey/stw)

You take a large chunk of a country’s tax revenues and pay people a few thousand pounds a year to do nothing. That’s the essence of an unconditional basic income scheme – and it took less than a day for the Green party’s version, at £3,744 a year, to be emphatically slapped down.

The “unconditional basic income” has a long history in economic thinking, with proponents on both the left and the right. For conservatives it is a way of radically cutting the administrative costs of means-tested benefits, and subsidising low-paid work. For those on the left, who embraced it after the 1960s, it is seen as a way to alleviate inequality. But if the basic income has any relevance to today’s economy, it is as a solution to a much bigger problem: the disappearance of work itself.

In 2013, researchers at the Oxford Martin School predicted that in the next two decades 47% of US jobs would be in danger of being lost to automation. McKinsey Global Institute research suggests that 140 million knowledge workers worldwide are at risk of the same fate. Most policymakers do not even want to think about the prospect of mass automation, because it is unlike any change we have seen before.

In every previous technological upsurge, deskilling and job destruction went alongside the creation of new, high value jobs and a higher-wage consumption culture. But automation disrupts that pattern: it reduces the need for work in one sector without necessarily creating it in another.

If you paid every adult in Britain – including pensioners – say, £6,000 a year, with no requirement to seek work and no means test, it would cost around £290bn a year.

You would abolish the basic state pension (currently around £6,000) and basic unemployment benefits, keeping only benefits targeted to extra needs such as child support or disability, which come to around £30bn now, so the overall cost might come to £320bn a year.

That is a huge amount of money. The current welfare bill in Britain is £167bn – of which two- thirds goes to pensioners. Its eats around 23% of government spending. A true, subsistence level basic income would close to double that. But it is imaginable, in the short to medium term, if you factor in the benefits.

The first would be to eradicate low-paid menial work. Why slave 10 hours a day with mop and bucket for £12k when you get £6k for free? Corporations would rebalance their business models towards a high pay, stable consumption, low-ish profit world, and the tax take would rise as a result. All tax relief for the poor would end.

The second benefit, though less tangible, would come to the spiralling healthcare budgets of western societies. Drugs are dear, collaborative networks of peer educators and self-help groups come for free, at least in theory, once everyone is being paid simply to exist, and has the time and freedom to contribute. This is the view taken by the prophets of peer-to-peer economics, who envisage a new, collaborative production sector. My fag-packet logic tells me it would mean tens of billions in lower healthcare costs, and savings in other areas too.

The rest of the fiscal gap would be closed through raising tax – so this is not a cheap or easy solution. It would be a pathway to a different kind of economy. But for both left and right it would challenge the last vestiges of what Gorz called “the utopia based on work” which has sustained us for two centuries, but may no longer.

Paul Mason is the economics editor at Channel 4 News. Follow him @paulmasonnews (http://@paulmasonnews)

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: JOE SOAP 06 August, 2015, 06:16:26 AM

HOVERBOARD (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwSwZ2Y0Ops)


(http://thetechbug.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Lexus-Hoverboard.jpg)



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: JayzusB.Christ 06 August, 2015, 01:29:13 PM

HOVERBOARD (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwSwZ2Y0Ops)


(http://thetechbug.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Lexus-Hoverboard.jpg)

Finally.  It's the future now
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: JOE SOAP 29 August, 2015, 10:26:30 AM

Fat Acceptance Movement (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_acceptance_movement)


(http://www.lesitedecuisine.fr/upload/2/0/rwYkunqkhT.jpg)



(http://www.aliveafter35.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Fat-pride.jpg)

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: Hawkmumbler 02 September, 2015, 06:56:08 PM
I'm all for acceptance of fat people. What pisses me off is the fact they deny the negative medical implications.
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: Frank 15 October, 2015, 01:26:14 PM

NUMBER FOUR CARTRIDGE!

The US Army is to test a new weapon that can hit enemies shielded by cover.

The shoulder-fired XM25 Counter Defilade Engagement System, has a laser rangefinder and soldiers can programme exactly where the “smart” ammunition detonates. Known as “The Punisher”, its range is 2,300 feet.

The makers, Orbital ATK, believe it will be able to take out soldiers hidden inside doorways, behind trees, in trenches or bunkers.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/army-test-new-weapon-punisher-6634715


: Re: GQ: How 2000ad Predicted The Future
: sheridan 23 October, 2015, 10:20:28 AM
I'm all for acceptance of fat people. What pisses me off is the fact they deny the negative medical implications.

Agreed - I don't know the exact context of the (real life) protest pictured, but I one of the placards did start off 'health care for ...' - the first step in your general health is to take some responsibility for your own health instead of trying to palm it all off on medical professionals.   The 'glandular condition' defence annoys me as I used to know someone who actually did have a glandular condition which caused her to be morbidly obese.  She was the mother of a now-ex-girlfriend who I no longer have contact with.  She probably died about ten years ago, due to her condition.  Thinking about it it doesn't annoy me so much as upset me when large amounts of people claim they have relatively rare conditions rather than admit the true cause of their weight (judging by the frankly stupid fad diets people I know try every now and then, this is something need to admit to themselves).
: Re: GQ: How 2000ad Predicted The Future
: Hawkmumbler 23 October, 2015, 10:26:12 AM
I'm all for acceptance of fat people. What pisses me off is the fact they deny the negative medical implications.
Actually this wasn't what I meant to say at all. Fat acceptance is a good thing, poor health isn't. Metabolisms, knowing your own body limits yaddayaddayadda.

I'm not a doctor or anything so really shouldn't have commented in the first place.
: Re: GQ: How 2000ad Predicted The Future
: TordelBack 23 October, 2015, 10:28:05 AM
Living a totally healthy risk-avoiding responsible life must be ace, any tips?
: Re: GQ: How 2000ad Predicted The Future
: sheridan 23 October, 2015, 02:13:52 PM
Living a totally healthy risk-avoiding responsible life must be ace, any tips?

Was that aimed at me?  I'm still overweight from the time I spent in a wheelchair (due to the second part of the don't-eat-too-many-calories and get-enough-exercise equation I went from slightly underweight to overweight-but-not-quite-obese) but I'm getting in better shape now that I'm not restricted to a wheelchair.  If the wheelchair had been even longer term then I'd have had to reappraise either how much I ate, what type of exercise I could do to compensate or some combination of the two.

p.s. my experience of effectively being a couch potato, running out of breath easily and chest pains has led me to lament those who would otherwise be perfectly fit and healthy but choose to destroy their good health.  I cannot get into the headspace of people who choose to do that to themselves.

Anyway, none of this is to do with 2000AD predicting the future, so I won't contribute any more to this thread unless I come across an interesting news item which doesn't relate to fatty stories.
: Re: GQ: How 2000ad Predicted The Future
: TordelBack 23 October, 2015, 02:42:39 PM
Nah Sheridan, not aimed at you in particular - it's just that criticism of fat folk in general seems to rapidly move to accusing 'them' of failing to carry out some sort of objective risk-assessment on their lifestyles, with resultant burden on society.  Which is something a great many of us are guilty of in a casual sense in our everyday lives, and yet greater and more voluntary risk-taking is positively lauded if it involves big engines, prodigious quantities of alcohol or excessive deviation from a datum altitude.

Like Michael Ironside says, c'mon you apes, you wanna live forever?
: Re: GQ: How 2000ad Predicted The Future
: Mardroid 24 October, 2015, 12:52:12 PM
Yes. And many slim people have diet related health issues too, high chollesterol, etc. It's just the cause is less visible than with the overweight. (I'm not defending the latter. We just all need to live more healthy lives. I include myself in that.)
: Re: GQ: How 2000ad Predicted The Future
: TordelBack 24 October, 2015, 02:16:07 PM
Without wanting to further detail the thread into an endless discussion on Fat Shaming, thought I'd just add a quick link to a video on the subject by the always excellent Boogie2988 (aka Francis). It's a response to some typically irritating YouTube nonsense, but the points are sound. It you want to make it on topic imagine it's Two Tonne Tony Tubbs talking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR7LEQYP4rA
: Re: GQ: How 2000ad Predicted The Future
: Frank 25 October, 2015, 05:05:57 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/t26W7C2.png?1)

                  TREE MEAT (http://www.theatlantic.com/video/index/411802/our-meatless-morrow/?utm_source=SFFB)

: Re: GQ: How 2000ad Predicted The Future
: moldovangerbil 16 December, 2015, 08:38:20 AM
Ok, so MC1 elected an urang-utan not a cat, but here's another example of Tharg's ability to predict the future:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/16/disgruntled-siberian-city-wants-cat-for-mayor
: Re: GQ: How 2000ad Predicted The Future
: Frank 27 January, 2016, 06:10:23 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/TnplU0N.jpg?2)

JASON DER-00-00-00-LO (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2lgnitdPdc)


: Re: GQ: How 2000ad Predicted The Future
: ming 04 February, 2016, 09:24:09 AM
The Meg had the Aggro Dome[/i, now Moscow has the Rage Room...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2016/feb/04/moscows-rage-room-in-pictures
: Re: GQ: How 2000ad Predicted The Future
: Tribs 09 February, 2016, 04:12:29 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/GVOotl5.jpg)
: Re: GQ: How 2000ad Predicted The Future
: Hawkmumbler 09 February, 2016, 06:17:33 PM
Was that really nearly a year ago? Blimey, doesn't feel that long.
: Re: GQ: How 2000ad Predicted The Future
: TordelBack 18 March, 2016, 10:20:46 AM
Business opportunity for Jacob Sardini (http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/wtf/the-strange-new-trend-where-corpses-are-attending-their-own-wake/news-story/0bd10251e1ab29db2eca388e41d10e12?).
: Re: GQ: How 2000ad Predicted The Future
: Hawkmumbler 18 March, 2016, 10:23:25 AM
Business opportunity for Jacob Sardini (http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/wtf/the-strange-new-trend-where-corpses-are-attending-their-own-wake/news-story/0bd10251e1ab29db2eca388e41d10e12?).
I was all down with that, as odd as it is, until that one instance where people whipped their phones out to have pictures taken with the deceased. Taking way beyond my comfort zone, i'm afraid.
: Re: GQ: How 2000ad Predicted The Future
: Tribs 27 March, 2016, 02:40:29 AM
Zombo, July 2011 - here's hoping this wasn't predicting election victory for a certain person. (To be fair, the idea of Trump standing for office has been floating around since 1988 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign,_2016#Background), apparently)

(http://i.imgur.com/G0v9hZi.jpg)

(And it's probably just coincidence that Donald J. Trump has the same number of letters as Robert L. Booth...)
: Re: GQ: How 2000ad Predicted The Future
: JayzusB.Christ 27 March, 2016, 03:26:51 PM

(And it's probably just coincidence that Donald J. Trump has the same number of letters as Robert L. Booth...)

That has to be the most tenuous grounds for a conspiracy theory I've ever seen - and that's saying something  ;)
: Re: GQ: How 2000ad Predicted The Future
: Hawkmumbler 27 March, 2016, 03:35:16 PM

(And it's probably just coincidence that Donald J. Trump has the same number of letters as Robert L. Booth...)

That has to be the most tenuous grounds for a conspiracy theory I've ever seen - and that's saying something  ;)
Tribs is Pat Mills?
: Re: GQ: How 2000ad Predicted The Future
: Steve Green 27 March, 2016, 03:47:49 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/GVOotl5.jpg)

Since that was from a robbery in 1971, it's pushing it to say it's a 'predicting the future' story.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/hatton-garden-burglar-found-evidence-of-tory-minister-abusing-children-in-previous-robbery-a6818431.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/hatton-garden-burglar-found-evidence-of-tory-minister-abusing-children-in-previous-robbery-a6818431.html)
: Re: GQ: How 2000ad Predicted The Future
: JudgeGerry 01 April, 2016, 09:53:41 PM
Booth vs Trump. Uncanny  :)
: Re: GQ: How 2000ad Predicted The Future
: Frank 06 April, 2016, 06:58:18 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/nmQTlTq.png?1)

THE ART OF KENNY WHO?

A team of technologists have produced a 3D-printed painting in the style of Dutch master Rembrandt.

The portrait was created after existing works by the artist were analysed by a computer. A new, original work was then designed to look as much like a Rembrandt as possible. It was 3D-printed to give it the same texture as an oil painting.

Read more here (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-35977315), or listen at 12 minutes here (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b075mdsl#play).


: Re: GQ: How 2000ad Predicted The Future
: JayzusB.Christ 07 April, 2016, 09:40:45 AM
[quote author=Butch link=topic=40441.msg912903#msg912903 date=1459965498

A team of technologists have produced a 3D-printed painting in the style of Dutch master Rembrandt.

The portrait was created after existing works by the artist were analysed by a computer. A new, original work was then designed to look as much like a Rembrandt as possible. It was 3D-printed to give it the same texture as an oil painting.

Read more here (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-35977315), or listen at 12 minutes here (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b075mdsl#play).


[/quote]



*Trudges down to job centre; kicks can on way
: Re: GQ: How 2000ad Predicted The Future
: ming 09 April, 2016, 04:13:42 PM
Probably no prediction involved here but I saw this and could think nothing except Something Something Oranges Something...

(http://i.imgur.com/RlAXF0d.jpg)

Roelof Louw’s Soul City (Pyramid of Oranges), 1967
: Re: GQ: How 2000ad Predicted The Future
: pauljholden 10 April, 2016, 01:16:14 PM
Do you think Mega City 1 is running on some form of Basic Income?

Robots will take your jobs: https://www.bostonglobe.com/ideas/2016/02/24/robots-will-take-your-job/5lXtKomQ7uQBEzTJOXT7YO/story.html
: Re: GQ: How 2000ad Predicted The Future
: Steve Green 17 April, 2016, 08:42:45 AM
As a follow-up to the Kenny Who thing...

Here's a site which lets you upload an image and a style to impersonate.

https://deepart.io/ (https://deepart.io/)
: Re: GQ: How 2000ad Predicted The Future
: Steve Green 17 April, 2016, 10:21:43 AM
(https://deepart-io.s3.amazonaws.com/cache/ef/b3/efb3b880054201502bad943b5a1f6029.jpg)

(https://deepart-io.s3.amazonaws.com/cache/87/05/8705a4dbf40536ce740d41980c326724.jpg)

Photos treated from some sampled Carlos art.


Not quite Kenny Who yet...
: Re: GQ: How 2000ad Predicted The Future
: sheridan 23 April, 2016, 01:13:40 PM
(https://deepart-io.s3.amazonaws.com/cache/ef/b3/efb3b880054201502bad943b5a1f6029.jpg)
I'm going to guess Van Gogh on that one...
(https://deepart-io.s3.amazonaws.com/cache/87/05/8705a4dbf40536ce740d41980c326724.jpg)
Tricky - Picasso's Guenica?
: Re: GQ: How 2000ad Predicted The Future
: Dandontdare 26 May, 2016, 04:14:38 PM
Get ready for the Robot Wars:

Researchers teach robots to 'feel pain' (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-36387563)
: Re: GQ: How 2000ad Predicted The Future
: Steve Green 26 May, 2016, 04:51:34 PM
(https://deepart-io.s3.amazonaws.com/cache/ef/b3/efb3b880054201502bad943b5a1f6029.jpg)
I'm going to guess Van Gogh on that one...
(https://deepart-io.s3.amazonaws.com/cache/87/05/8705a4dbf40536ce740d41980c326724.jpg)
Tricky - Picasso's Guenica?

Haha, no just feeding it a Carlos colour commission and some b/w Carlos artwork.
: Re: GQ: How 2000ad Predicted The Future
: Tjm86 30 June, 2016, 04:16:05 PM
Seems that Biol is now trading in China (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sponsored/china-watch/travel/12211616/What-is-that-thing-Innovative-bus-looks-like-a-moving-tunnel.html?WT.mc_id=tmgspk_ob_606004_12211616&utm_campaign=tmgspk_ob_606004_12211616&utm_content=606004&utm_medium=ob&utm_source=tmgspk).
: Re: GQ: How 2000ad Predicted The Future
: M.I.K. 02 July, 2016, 09:03:03 PM
According to the latest Thrill-cast, Scream! comic's 'Monster', a hideously malformed creature with no real morals or understanding of the consequences of his own actions, released to rampage across the British countryside leaving a trail of fear in his wake, was originally going to be called 'Nigel'.
: Re: GQ: How 2000ad Predicted The Future
: Tjm86 03 July, 2016, 06:54:54 PM
Really?  I thought it was Gove.
: Re: GQ: How 2000ad Predicted The Future
: M.I.K. 03 July, 2016, 07:02:05 PM
Really?  I thought it was Gove.
Not according to the Thrill-cast, though Mr. McNasty Rimmer does say that some aspects of the character were based on a Boris.
: Re: GQ: How 2000ad Predicted The Future
: ZenArcade 03 July, 2016, 07:11:30 PM
Nah, Farage. Gove would leave a trail of slime behind him. Z
: Re: GQ: How 2000ad Predicted The Future
: Albion 18 July, 2016, 10:52:09 AM
Might come true soon......
From Maniac 5, Prog 956, September 1995.

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y267/albion79uk/242d78049258d8e2e01e0e6b8476fb9e_zps1fdgaryo.jpg)
: Re: GQ: How 2000ad Predicted The Future
: JayzusB.Christ 19 July, 2016, 09:18:56 AM
Didn't Maniac 5 also predict Tony Blair becoming PM?  Mind you, I seem to remember him committing suicide in the first series, then Mark Millar forgetting about that in later series and having him come back.
: Re: GQ: How 2000ad Predicted The Future
: Steve Green 31 July, 2016, 08:43:24 PM
Chopper flogs cars.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tptJWL5wM4s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tptJWL5wM4s)
: Re: GQ: How 2000ad Predicted The Future
: Magnetica 03 August, 2016, 01:06:43 PM
Just seen a bus that straddles the road that is under going testing in China. Pretty sure there was something like that in ABC warriors in the shadow warriors.
: Re: GQ: How 2000ad Predicted The Future
: Frank 18 August, 2016, 06:19:19 PM

Lefty on the loose in Bath (The Graveyard Shift (http://i.imgur.com/cJzH3Hf.png), prog 335-341):

http://news.sky.com/story/police-use-tracker-dogs-to-try-and-solve-mystery-of-severed-feet-10541548


: Re: GQ: How 2000ad Predicted The Future
: norton canes 19 August, 2016, 09:52:50 AM
Just seen a bus that straddles the road that is under going testing in China. Pretty sure there was something like that in ABC warriors in the shadow warriors


Seem to recall Ezquerra drew juggernauts running across the Martian freeways along tracks on each side of the road in the Golgotha/Tyrannosaur segment of The ABC Warriors.
: Re: GQ: How 2000ad Predicted The Future
: Tjm86 19 August, 2016, 11:08:48 AM
Just seen a bus that straddles the road that is under going testing in China. Pretty sure there was something like that in ABC warriors in the shadow warriors


Seem to recall Ezquerra drew juggernauts running across the Martian freeways along tracks on each side of the road in the Golgotha/Tyrannosaur segment of The ABC Warriors.

Do you mean this one?

Seems that Biol is now trading in China (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sponsored/china-watch/travel/12211616/What-is-that-thing-Innovative-bus-looks-like-a-moving-tunnel.html?WT.mc_id=tmgspk_ob_606004_12211616&utm_campaign=tmgspk_ob_606004_12211616&utm_content=606004&utm_medium=ob&utm_source=tmgspk).

Yep, Ezquerra beat them to it by about thirty years IIRC.

: Re: GQ: How 2000ad Predicted The Future
: dweezil2 12 September, 2016, 01:30:43 PM
Reading The Art Of Taxidermy in the Mega-Collection made me wonder if Gunther von Hagens had ever read 2000AD!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunther_von_Hagens

(http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i128/mubhceeb/image_17.jpeg) (http://s71.photobucket.com/user/mubhceeb/media/image_17.jpeg.html)
: Re: GQ: How 2000ad Predicted The Future
: norton canes 12 September, 2016, 02:20:32 PM
I remember reading an instalment of Meltdown Man not so long ago which included a frame featuring T-Bone looking into into a square, hand-held mirror, and it looks for all the world like he's staring at his iPad.   
: Re: GQ: How 2000ad Predicted The Future
: I, Cosh 27 September, 2016, 06:18:06 PM
THE ART OF KENNY WHO?

A team of technologists have produced a 3D-printed painting in the style of Dutch master Rembrandt.

The portrait was created after existing works by the artist were analysed by a computer. A new, original work was then designed to look as much like a Rembrandt as possible. It was 3D-printed to give it the same texture as an oil painting.

Read more here (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-35977315), or listen at 12 minutes here (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b075mdsl#play).
Last weekend I found myself at an open night at the local electronic and new media gallery and art school place.

Apologies for the crappy picture but round the back I stumbled upon a friendly robot drawing sketches of volunteers.

(http://i1259.photobucket.com/albums/ii544/TheCosh/PublicShare/September20019_zpsogwfftwa.jpg)
: Re: GQ: How 2000ad Predicted The Future
: Frank 09 October, 2016, 11:15:31 AM

Until the manufacturer creates a patch that makes it draw everyone with big boots, Mick McMahon's job is safe*.

As everyone except Wood Harris and James Remar's buddy knows, the lawgiver is fitted with a sensor in the grip that allows only the registered user to fire the weapon:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/a-19-year-old-just-built-the-first-fingerprint-reading-smart-gun-1475850207


* With only a slight modification, that joke works for Andrew Currie too
: Re: GQ: How 2000ad Predicted The Future
: DarkDaysBish-OP 29 October, 2016, 09:28:32 AM
The Pentagon has found out about Mega-Cities: https://youtu.be/gEPdOZbyzbw
: Re: GQ: How 2000ad Predicted The Future
: Bazooka Joe 24 January, 2017, 02:59:47 PM
At Boeing’s 777X wing factory, robots get big jobs (http://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/at-boeings-777x-wing-factory-robots-get-big-jobs/)

(http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff387/gypsum23/291040-181255-mek-quake%201_zpsxisjttj4.jpg)
: Re: GQ: How 2000ad Predicted The Future
: DarkDaysBish-OP 14 February, 2017, 07:50:45 AM
Does anybody here have scans of the original GQ article? The link that started this thread has gone 404...

davidbishop
: Re: GQ: How 2000ad Predicted The Future
: JOE SOAP 14 February, 2017, 10:35:42 AM
Does anybody here have scans of the original GQ article? The link that started this thread has gone 404..

Archived version:

https://web.archive.org/web/20151227221531/http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/comment/articles/2014-04/23/2000-ad-the-comic-that-foretold-the-future


: Re: GQ: How 2000ad Predicted The Future
: Bazooka Joe 07 May, 2017, 05:51:19 PM
Aggro Domes the secret to happiness?  (https://www.vice.com/en_au/article/could-smashing-up-a-rage-room-be-the-secret-to-happiness?utm_source=dmfb)
: Re: GQ: How 2000ad Predicted The Future
: I, Cosh 17 April, 2018, 02:50:47 PM
Only a hop, skip and a jump away from the great plasteen disaster (https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/apr/16/scientists-accidentally-create-mutant-enzyme-that-eats-plastic-bottles).
: Re: GQ: How 2000ad Predicted The Future
: Fungus 18 April, 2018, 08:39:32 AM
Only a hop, skip and a jump away from the great plasteen disaster (https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/apr/16/scientists-accidentally-create-mutant-enzyme-that-eats-plastic-bottles).

Or your plastic bottle COULD be half-full ...  :)
: Re: GQ: How 2000ad Predicted The Future
: sheridan 28 January, 2019, 01:55:34 PM
I wonder where they got the idea for the looks of this 3d printed motorcycle (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/technology-46894072/nera-the-3d-printed-electric-motorbike)?
: Re: GQ: How 2000ad Predicted The Future
: Dandontdare 26 March, 2019, 11:48:41 AM
They got the name slightly wrong, but synthihol is coming: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/mar/26/an-innocent-drink-could-alcosynth-provide-all-the-joy-of-booze-without-the-dangers (https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/mar/26/an-innocent-drink-could-alcosynth-provide-all-the-joy-of-booze-without-the-dangers)
: Re: GQ: How 2000ad Predicted The Future
: paddykafka 04 August, 2019, 01:48:40 PM
I could not help but think of Chopper when I read this story.

https://www.thejournal.ie/frenchman-hoverboard-channel-4752560-Aug2019/