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: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: JOE SOAP 06 October, 2014, 09:46:46 PM



‘Dredd’ EP Adi Shankar Reveals ‘Dark Judges’ Miniseries Coming Soon Online
(http://www.thewrap.com/dredd-ep-adi-shankar-reveals-dark-judges-miniseries-coming-soon-online/)



Fans still clamor for a sequel to the 2012 action movie starring Karl Urban and Olivia Thirlby

Judge Dredd fans have spent two years clamoring for a sequel to the epic 2012 action movie “Dredd” to no avail. But executive producer Adi Shankar has taken cinematic justice into his own hands, TheWrap has learned.

Shankar has spent the last two years creating a top-secret “Dredd” miniseries centering on the Dark Judges to thank the loyal fans who passionately supported the feature.

Shankar told TheWrap that the project will be released online later this month — and the best part — it will be free.

Also read: How ‘Dredd’ Producer Adi Shankar's Marvel Bootlegs Are Building a Buzzy Fanboy Brand

Since Shankar's unofficial “Dredd” project was done off-the-grid, it's technically a part of his popular Bootleg Universe, which includes the short “Punisher: Dirty Laundry” starring Thomas Jane and Ron Perlman, as well as “Venom: Truth in Journalism,” which starred Ryan Kwanten as Spider-Man villain Eddie Brock.

Shankar first alluded to the “Dredd” miniseries in a Reddit “Ask Me Anything” on March 19, 2013, when he described it as a short film. The project has since become a seven-part miniseries.



: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Steve Green 06 October, 2014, 09:52:11 PM
Hmmm - animated at a guess?
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: JOE SOAP 06 October, 2014, 09:54:17 PM


I'd say so. It shortcuts a lot of difficulties.

: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: IAMTHESYSTEM 06 October, 2014, 10:05:46 PM
At least it's something and something is better than nothing as far as I'm concerned. Wonder who will voice the Dark Judges? Who'll be Anderson or Dredd if they appear?
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: DaveGYNWA 06 October, 2014, 10:19:13 PM
I've gotten all giddy.
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: Goaty 06 October, 2014, 10:25:29 PM
Maybe it's prequel building up to Dredd sequel? But it still sounds awesome!
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: Pete Wells 06 October, 2014, 10:37:59 PM
Exciting news!
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: COMMANDO FORCES 06 October, 2014, 11:53:48 PM
Nice!
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Angry Vince 07 October, 2014, 07:53:33 AM
I think I've just starched me shorts...
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Proudhuff 07 October, 2014, 09:30:17 AM
grumble






Just kidding,  :D should be good if its up to his Punisher quaility
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: dweezil2 07 October, 2014, 10:13:49 AM
Can't wait!   :)
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: TordelBack 07 October, 2014, 10:21:39 AM
Let me be the first to say: helmet's too big.
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: Hawkmumbler 07 October, 2014, 11:35:07 AM
Ooouuuussshhh! Thats one thing off Adi Shankars bucket list then. Great news.
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: atp 07 October, 2014, 12:45:11 PM
The crime is life the sentence is death.

Fantastic news, when this is released we need to get on it in huge numbers and overload the web servers so the page goes down.
That should hit the news stations around the world, which would hopefully strengthen the argument in favour for a Dredd sequel.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: COMMANDO FORCES 07 October, 2014, 04:34:26 PM
From Empire

Though it won’t be a direct sequel to the movie, the series should help tamp down withdrawal symptoms for a short while. Little is known about exactly what the seven-part series will involve, beyond the fact that it will feature Judge Death and his terrifying accomplices from a parallel dimension. They hold the quaint belief that all life is a crime and the appropriate punishment is a variety of torments and murder. According to The Wrap, the web miniseries will arrive online later this month for free.

SEVEN PARTS :D
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Goaty 07 October, 2014, 04:45:37 PM
It's amazing that he been work on it for last two years and no-one knows what it is, or it Live-Action or animated! Just amazing!
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: Heath C Ackley 07 October, 2014, 05:39:12 PM
Absolutely great news. I loved how he approached the genre in the other two films and so I'm looking forward to  his take on the Dark Judges.
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: Zarjazzer 07 October, 2014, 05:42:58 PM
Marvellous news for fans. Looking forward to it.
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: Beadle68 07 October, 2014, 07:25:44 PM
Just brilliant news, hoping its live action as I loved dirty laundry just captured the essence of frank castle perfectly  :)
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Fragminion 07 October, 2014, 07:51:01 PM
I put my vote in for an Animated Movie version.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Steve Green 07 October, 2014, 08:31:11 PM
It's going to be interesting for a number of reasons.

Animation isn't cheap unless it's more the 'motion comic' limited animation - I hope it's more than taking Judge Death/Death lives and making a motion comic of that.

Also the fuzzy relationship between Adi and the production team, he's not had any previous connection (apart from an actor) to the franchises in the bootleg universe.

I wonder if he's got a tacit OK from them or not...

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: Apestrife 07 October, 2014, 09:27:01 PM
The bootleg movies of his are ace, especially the Venom one. Can't wait to see Adi's take on the Dark judges  :D!!!
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: JOE SOAP 07 October, 2014, 09:32:31 PM

I'm assuming even with his previous connection that, with a nod and a wink, it falls under *not for profit fan-film* - which it essentially is - and that if it is animated, or a hybrid, he's gone for something closer to the comic interpretation of Judge Dredd rather than DNA Dredd so as not to impinge on any Dark Judge plans or visuals for *theoretical* sequels.


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: Mark Taylor 08 October, 2014, 08:06:12 AM
Of course, now that this has arrived following IDW's "The American Way of Death" plotline, I'm sure we can look forward to some American fans' whinging comments along the lines of, "It sucked! Where was Judge Choke? Where was Judge Metastasis?" ::)
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: PsychoGoatee 08 October, 2014, 10:48:16 PM
Of course, now that this has arrived following IDW's "The American Way of Death" plotline, I'm sure we can look forward to some American fans' whinging comments along the lines of, "It sucked! Where was Judge Choke? Where was Judge Metastasis?" ::)
I doubt that. And there are probably more of you reading the US Dredd comic than us anyway!  :P I'm not reading it.

Good news, always love me some Dark Judges!
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: glassstanley 09 October, 2014, 07:44:30 AM
We don't know that it won't be based on the IDW Dark Judges  :o
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Bat King 09 October, 2014, 07:57:31 AM
I'm guessing not...
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Mark Taylor 09 October, 2014, 12:34:48 PM
I doubt that.

I really don't. This is t'internet. Anything that can possibly be whinged about will be, without regard for logic or reason. As Dredd might say, "It's the Law". We may well escape it on this forum, but out there in the Internet wildernesses - no chance.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Goaty 09 October, 2014, 02:42:44 PM

Quick interview with Adi Shankar before NYCC.

http://screenrant.com/dredd-miniseries-dark-judges-nycc-adi-shankar/ (http://screenrant.com/dredd-miniseries-dark-judges-nycc-adi-shankar/)

Earlier in the week, we learned that you were planning to release a  Dredd ‘Dark Judges’ miniseries online. Can we expect a sneak peek at NYCC?

Yes. Hell yes.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Bat King 09 October, 2014, 05:42:50 PM
But I am not gong to NYCC...
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Goaty 11 October, 2014, 05:03:17 PM
Maybe debut tonight at NYCC?
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: mimikeke 11 October, 2014, 06:56:15 PM
Someone told me they'd try to take a vid or pics for me but I kinda doubt NYCC'd allow it :(

Here's hoping...
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Goaty 11 October, 2014, 11:10:45 PM
Someone told me they'd try to take a vid or pics for me but I kinda doubt NYCC'd allow it :(

Here's hoping...

Wait and see, but the debut would be at 9pm, that at 2am in British time.

Adi Shankar did post last two videos on his YouTube page.
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNgSkSyLpwJckPsCcpDc2Ow (http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNgSkSyLpwJckPsCcpDc2Ow)
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: hazy efc 12 October, 2014, 01:53:55 PM
I cant wait this is gunna be good.
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: dweezil2 12 October, 2014, 02:48:32 PM
Ah! The suspense is killing me!!!!!   
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: JOE SOAP 12 October, 2014, 03:14:54 PM



You're waiting in vein; apparently, for whatever reason, they were unable show anything or talk about it at the NYCC Q&A.


: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: dweezil2 12 October, 2014, 03:18:15 PM



You're waiting in vein; apparently, for whatever reason, they were unable show anything or talk about it at the NYCC Q&A.

Wha....?   :o
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: COMMANDO FORCES 12 October, 2014, 03:30:46 PM
Good job I decided on going to bed then :lol:
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Bat King 12 October, 2014, 05:33:29 PM
Awww man...

Pretty sure Tharg said he us looking forward to this coming out. So what went wrong???
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Steve Green 12 October, 2014, 08:24:42 PM
I don't think there has been anything official from 2000 AD, Bat King.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Goaty 12 October, 2014, 08:32:56 PM
Maybe it need to be polished first before release it, his previous works been so excellent, so let wait and see.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: COMMANDO FORCES 13 October, 2014, 01:24:37 AM
The mystery deepens. It's as though he has vanished from the face of the Earth.

Just what have you done with him Goaty?
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Bat King 13 October, 2014, 02:21:34 AM
It was supposedly a promo not a finished piece...
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Goaty 13 October, 2014, 09:01:42 AM
You sure he not in your cellar?  :lol:
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Steve Green 13 October, 2014, 10:13:08 AM
The Southern Contingent can give an alibi for that, (which is suspicious in itself)

I've no idea why it wasn't shown - there hasn't been a hint of it.

Not being ready seems a little unlikely, considering it was announced fairly close to it.

Maybe DNA/IMGlobal had an objection - I saw someone had asked Karl Urban if he was part of it at a Seattle con, and he said he'd only be part of an officially sanctioned short.

He seemed to be doing his own thing (his shooting down the sequel pushing from Karl with the 'no script' thing)

Anyway, no-one who knows has said anything, so it's all speculation.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: COMMANDO FORCES 13 October, 2014, 04:08:47 PM
I'm trying to get some info from a person who was there via twitter, as he posted this and some other interesting stuff!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bz1f3_GIgAAZrA3.jpg)
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: Jim_Campbell 13 October, 2014, 04:24:49 PM
I'm trying to get some info from a person who was there via twitter, as he posted this and some other interesting stuff!

But not interesting enough to be worth sharing, apparently.

(Although, if it's this twitter poster (https://twitter.com/amphibiousgene) he doesn't seem to have had much more to offer than the photo and the fact that he found the talk 'fascinating'.)
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Frank 13 October, 2014, 04:47:51 PM

Cosh was at NYCC, wasn't he? I don't think a talk by one of the execs behind Dredd and Lone Survivor would have been high on his list of priorities, but you never know.


: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: COMMANDO FORCES 13 October, 2014, 05:11:21 PM
That's one of the people Jim but there are other tweets being sent now, including this one

We just watched an extended preview of what I assume is the first episode. The event was mostly Q&A about Adi's career.

I would've been quicker but we went shopping, as it's 20% off night for the workers :thumbsup:
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: COMMANDO FORCES 13 October, 2014, 05:17:52 PM
And having looked at who posted it, it's the same person :lol: I was looking at a retweet :-[
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: Dominic O'Rourke 13 October, 2014, 05:31:18 PM
I've been strung along long enough now. I hope nothing ever gets revealed, this is much more fun than actual product!
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Steve Green 13 October, 2014, 05:36:16 PM
Format the hard drive...
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: mimikeke 13 October, 2014, 06:10:42 PM
Good lord, could they at least be bothered to describe it or at least sound excited?! I'd have written in all caps if I'd have been there!

On my end, I haven't heard anything from ppl at NYCC, guess they didn't go  :'(
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: DaveGYNWA 13 October, 2014, 06:12:44 PM
(Although, if it's this twitter poster (https://twitter.com/amphibiousgene) he doesn't seem to have had much more to offer than the photo and the fact that he found the talk 'fascinating'.)

From the above guy:

"@JonnPain It was animated; very dark and twisted with a gruesome sense of humor. I think fans of #2000AD will really dig it."

: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Jim_Campbell 13 October, 2014, 06:20:40 PM
From the above guy:

"@JonnPain It was animated; very dark and twisted with a gruesome sense of humor. I think fans of #2000AD will really dig it."

Well, that's certainly promising…!

Cheers

Jim
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Steve Green 13 October, 2014, 06:35:25 PM
I'm also seeing one guy replying to @Jonnpain as well, saying that he couldn't show it or talk about it. (which is presumably the same tweet that Joe Soap picked up)

This is very odd...
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: Richmond Clements 13 October, 2014, 06:38:48 PM
I'm also seeing one guy replying to @Jonnpain as well, saying that he couldn't show it or talk about it. (which is presumably the same tweet that Joe Soap picked up)

This is very odd...

Is there the distinct smell of BS about the whole thing, or is it just me?
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Steve Green 13 October, 2014, 06:46:06 PM
I've got cramp from one raised eyebrow.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Richmond Clements 13 October, 2014, 06:48:24 PM
I've got cramp from one raised eyebrow.

Same thing, I suspect..!
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: COMMANDO FORCES 13 October, 2014, 06:53:42 PM
It's like a twisted detective series off the TV. Where will the next bit of info send us!
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: JOE SOAP 13 October, 2014, 06:53:58 PM
This is very odd...


I suspect one them is referring to the DREDD3D screening and the other to the Q&A - Shankar was at both.

: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Steve Green 13 October, 2014, 07:00:27 PM
I've broken my eyebrow.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Steve Green 13 October, 2014, 07:03:37 PM
Hmm, reading his earlier tweet you could be right, he's talking about the Dredd 3D screening - still a bit odd that he wouldn't even talk about it though.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: JOE SOAP 13 October, 2014, 07:13:38 PM


At least something was shown and we now know it's animated. The release is probably timed for Hallowe'en.

: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: COMMANDO FORCES 13 October, 2014, 07:17:49 PM
Why so cryptic though! Did they have to sign a disclaimer on entering the talk. The first rule about Adi's Dark Judges miniseries is........
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: Steve Green 13 October, 2014, 07:26:15 PM


At least something was shown and we now know it's animated. The release is probably timed for Hallowe'en.

Would make sense.
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: mimikeke 13 October, 2014, 08:13:00 PM
God, watch us find out in 6 months that by "animated" he meant lively.   :lol:

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: mimikeke 13 October, 2014, 08:17:09 PM
Bleh, can't modify my post....

Wouldn't mind a little Bruce Timm styled animation!  :lol: :lol:

(http://i60.tinypic.com/3h5d.jpg)
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: JOE SOAP 13 October, 2014, 08:21:53 PM
Why so cryptic though! Did they have to sign a disclaimer on entering the talk.

An NDA for 'bootleg' material?

I think it's more a case of if you weren't there, you missed it.

: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Steve Green 13 October, 2014, 08:24:26 PM
For a self-funded fan-film, I really don't know what to expect.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: COMMANDO FORCES 13 October, 2014, 08:25:15 PM
I forgot to add a wink!
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: Stan 13 October, 2014, 08:51:40 PM
I think he's teased us long enough now. Let's go find him and punch the palms of our hands menacingly.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Steve Green 13 October, 2014, 08:53:00 PM
The simplest explanation is maybe there weren't that many Dredd fans in the Q+A...
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: JOE SOAP 13 October, 2014, 08:56:13 PM
The simplest explanation is maybe there weren't that many Dredd fans in the Q+A...


The 3D screening clashed with the Q&A so I'm not surprised.

: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: I, Cosh 13 October, 2014, 09:06:43 PM
Cosh was at NYCC, wasn't he? I don't think a talk by one of the execs behind Dredd and Lone Survivor would have been high on his list of priorities, but you never know.
No. I left New York the night before it started. I think this (http://dumbo.is/happening/book-launch-101-two-letter-words-by-stephen-merritt) would've been more my thing though.

A man who looked exactly like the comic guy from the Simpsons tried to sell me a four day pass in the street though.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Bat King 13 October, 2014, 09:55:34 PM
Good lord, could they at least be bothered to describe it or at least sound excited?! I'd have written in all caps if I'd have been there!

On my end, I haven't heard anything from ppl at NYCC, guess they didn't go  :'(

Yeah I think we are all really wishing we'd clubbed together and sent you to stake it out.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: ABCwarBOT 14 October, 2014, 12:59:41 AM
Even though I find Judge Death a bit naff I heard about this today and thought I'd have a look, but nothing.   Strange!
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: mimikeke 14 October, 2014, 06:28:17 AM
Yeah I think we are all really wishing we'd clubbed together and sent you to stake it out.

Hey, if you guys offer....  :P  This did remind me to actually register this year for San Diego Comic Con's professional badge, in case anything exciting doesssss happen Dredd-related in the next year.  Maybe a 2nd episode will be out by then. (If anything I'll be able to meet a real life person who likes 2000AD.  I did meet a seller at APE who was able to name drop Brian Bolland and talk to me about buying the Jock illustrated script and I wanted to hug him but I just acted really chill haha.  The only person I get to talk to about this comic in real life is my poor poor husband.)
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Misanthrope 14 October, 2014, 08:33:14 AM
Bleh, can't modify my post....

Wouldn't mind a little Bruce Timm styled animation!  :lol: :lol:

(http://i60.tinypic.com/3h5d.jpg)

I always used to watch Batman TAS wishing they could do something similar with Dredd.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: JOE SOAP 14 October, 2014, 09:32:43 AM



Word has it that the series is partly a Dark Judges origin story - using elements of Young Death: Boyhood of a Superfiend.


: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: dweezil2 14 October, 2014, 10:00:05 AM



Word has it that the series is partly a Dark Judges origin story - using elements of Young Death: Boyhood of a Superfiend.

Cool!   :)
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Goaty 14 October, 2014, 10:08:00 AM
Good, I would still prefer PSI Judge gone rogue. But wait and see the series.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: JOE SOAP 14 October, 2014, 10:12:26 AM
Good, I would still prefer PSI Judge gone rogue. But wait and see the series.


It's not likely to be anything to do with the film version of Dredd. For good reason.


: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: ABCwarBOT 15 October, 2014, 12:53:13 AM
I hope it's live action and not animated.   
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Zenith 666 15 October, 2014, 01:03:35 AM
As much as I loved Dredd 3D an animated movie is probably the only way we could get comic dredd on film.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: JOE SOAP 15 October, 2014, 01:28:49 AM




I hope it's live action and not animated.


It's animated:


https://www.facebook.com/MakeADreddSequel/posts/531960110273791


: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: amines2058 15 October, 2014, 06:09:34 AM
I hope when they say on FB that it looks like a 90's MTV cartoon they refer to Aeon Flux and not Beavis & Butthead.
I could see the Aeon Flux style of art work really well on translating Peter Doherty's Young Death art to the big screen.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: ABCwarBOT 15 October, 2014, 06:26:48 AM
One of those 90s MTV type animations?    Doesn't sound too promising.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Steve Green 15 October, 2014, 09:41:47 AM
As much as I loved Dredd 3D an animated movie is probably the only way we could get comic dredd on film.

Oi! ;)

(http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140912181702/judgedredd/images/9/9c/180px-Judge_minty01.png)
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: JOE SOAP 15 October, 2014, 09:56:21 AM
One of those 90s MTV type animations?    Doesn't sound too promising.


If you only want it to be live-action it'll be a disappointment either way. I thought a lot of those MTV Liquid TV/Oddities style cartoons had a decent sense of character.


: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: TordelBack 15 October, 2014, 10:32:40 AM
One of those 90s MTV type animations?    Doesn't sound too promising.


If you only want it to be live-action it'll be a disappointment either way. I thought a lot of those MTV Liquid TV/Oddities style cartoons had a decent sense of character.

Absolutely.  The Tick, Aeon Flux, Daria... what's not to like (in terms of design).
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: dweezil2 15 October, 2014, 12:28:51 PM
Animated is fine by me!
It's like a comic, but you know, it moves!   ;)
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Goaty 15 October, 2014, 12:30:58 PM
I am happy with Animated on Dark Judges, as live-action would be lots of works. it sounds perfect as prequel!
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Zenith 666 15 October, 2014, 12:41:00 PM
Begging the forgiveness of everyone who made judge minty.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Steve Green 15 October, 2014, 12:46:09 PM
Heh!  :D
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Hawkmumbler 15 October, 2014, 12:47:41 PM
One of those 90s MTV type animations?    Doesn't sound too promising.


If you only want it to be live-action it'll be a disappointment either way. I thought a lot of those MTV Liquid TV/Oddities style cartoons had a decent sense of character.
You forgot The Maxx plus all those Borowczyk and Svankmajer inspired animated shorts by the Quay Brothers.

Absolutely.  The Tick, Aeon Flux, Daria... what's not to like (in terms of design).
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: TordelBack 15 October, 2014, 12:55:25 PM
Indeed - I actually meant to say The Maxx, not The Tick, but either would be good. 
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Steve Green 15 October, 2014, 01:17:17 PM
I'd would love to have seen something in a Yuri Norsteyn 'Overcoat' style... of course it would never get finished...
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Third Estate Ned 15 October, 2014, 05:09:32 PM
If it looked anything like Æon Flux, I would be well pleased. If we're going to see the Dark Judges animated, I want them to be unsettling and horrific in a sci-fi environment. From what I remember back when they showed bits of it on Liquid TV, the Æon Flux look that could well achieve that.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Third Estate Ned 15 October, 2014, 05:31:28 PM
Sorry:  "...the Æon Flux look could well achieve that."
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: mimikeke 15 October, 2014, 06:20:38 PM
To be honest, I'd probably still be excited if it was freakin Squidbillies style.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Third Estate Ned 15 October, 2014, 06:58:44 PM
To be honest, I'd probably still be excited if it was freakin Squidbillies style.

Looking at pictures for that made me wish for a Krang mini-series.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: TordelBack 15 October, 2014, 07:55:18 PM
Octonauts style.  Judge Barnacles.  Psi Judge Kwazii.  The Gup-Master. You know it makes sense.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: ABCwarBOT 16 October, 2014, 01:11:17 AM
One of those 90s MTV type animations?    Doesn't sound too promising.


If you only want it to be live-action it'll be a disappointment either way. I thought a lot of those MTV Liquid TV/Oddities style cartoons had a decent sense of character.



I love some standard drawn animation but the thought of a drawn Judge Dredd animation just doesn't appeal to me.    CGI animation could be cool though ( even if I'm not a fan of Death ).
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Goaty 20 October, 2014, 02:28:18 PM
(https://ewpopwatch.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/poster.jpg)
(http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/i/2014/10/17/dredd-01.jpg)
(http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/i/2014/10/17/dredd-02.jpg)
(http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/i/2014/10/17/dredd-03.jpg)
(http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/i/2014/10/17/dredd-04.jpg)
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: amines2058 20 October, 2014, 02:40:59 PM
Hmmm...... not sold judging by those images  :(
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Spaceghost 20 October, 2014, 02:59:19 PM
I quite like it. It's a bit rough and ready, but that's OK. Looks to have the dark humour in place and it's all pretty much comics accurate.

It, strangely, reminds me of the old Cosgrove Hall Captain Kremmen cartoons based on the Kenny Everett shows.

SYRINGE TO EYE!
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: COMMANDO FORCES 20 October, 2014, 03:01:35 PM
I just can't wait to see episode one :D
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Richmond Clements 20 October, 2014, 03:01:44 PM
Ummm...
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Banners 20 October, 2014, 03:01:58 PM
Give it a chance - animation is more about how it moves, rather than what it looks like.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: GordonR 20 October, 2014, 03:03:25 PM
I'm guessing no-one's going to be mentioning Aeon Flux again now.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Richmond Clements 20 October, 2014, 03:07:41 PM
I didn't realise Buttonman was drawing it!
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Steve Green 20 October, 2014, 03:09:13 PM
http://vimeo.com/49193273 (http://vimeo.com/49193273)

They have some of their work on vimeo, so I expect it will be similar to that.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Albion 20 October, 2014, 04:23:31 PM
I actually like the look of it. Can't wait to see the first episode.
We mustn't judge it before we've seen it eh? ;-)
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: James Stacey 20 October, 2014, 04:24:50 PM
oh
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Jim_Campbell 20 October, 2014, 04:25:49 PM
We mustn't judge it before we've seen it eh? ;-)

You've used the internet before, right?

Cheers

Jim
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Frank 20 October, 2014, 05:06:50 PM
http://vimeo.com/49193273 (http://vimeo.com/49193273)

They have some of their work on vimeo, so I expect it will be similar to that.

Hiring Derek Zoolander to voice The Punisher was inspired.


: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Steve Green 20 October, 2014, 05:08:43 PM
I'm at work with no headphones.

I can't wait to get home now.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: COMMANDO FORCES 20 October, 2014, 06:05:25 PM
More images have gone online.
The trailer is shown tomorrow and the first episode airs Monday the 27th.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Steve Green 20 October, 2014, 06:07:03 PM
http://collider.com/dredd-miniseries-images/ (http://collider.com/dredd-miniseries-images/)
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Steve Green 20 October, 2014, 06:13:20 PM
"Had to be quiet for a months but pleased to finally announce my involvement working with Adi Shankar and The Junquera Brothers on Judge Dredd: Superfiend. Very excited for you to see the finished result! I worked on the animated titles for the series! What are your thoughts so far? are you excited for the series? - Oliver Hollingdale (Director - Cursed Edge)"
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: M.I.K. 20 October, 2014, 07:34:17 PM
So far, I have no problem with this.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: shaolin_monkey 20 October, 2014, 09:22:22 PM
I am really really looking forward to this!!

The problem with stills from an animation is they lack animation, ;) and it's the movement that really makes a good cartoon. Samurai Jack is a great example of this. A lot of the time the stills make it look like crudely drawn nonsense, but once you add movement, timing and nuance, it becomes a whole new ball game.

I'm hoping this cartoon mini-series does the same, and I for one cannot bloody wait to see it! Roll on the 28th!!!
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Jimmy Baker's Assistant 20 October, 2014, 09:38:46 PM
Oh dear. I was hoping for something along the lines of Dirty Laundry  :'(
: Re: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Richmond Clements 20 October, 2014, 09:47:32 PM
Oh dear. I was hoping for something along the lines of Dirty Laundry  :'(
i fear it's more shitty laundry...
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: DrRocka 20 October, 2014, 09:49:42 PM
Reminds me far too much of IDW Dredd for my liking, but if it helps spread the word then I suppose it's all for the good...

Gutted it's not live action, though.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: shaolin_monkey 20 October, 2014, 10:11:05 PM
Oh come on guys!!  What a great time to be a Dredd/2000AD fan!

We've had a good number of years of cracking Dredd stories in the Prog now, then we got a bloody good film, there's a cool 2000AD documentary en route, and now we're getting an animated series! 

I can't believe anyone is actually grumbling about this!!!!
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Goaty 20 October, 2014, 10:20:59 PM
I can't believe anyone is actually grumbling about this!!!!

Not everyone ;)
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: SuperSurfer 20 October, 2014, 10:44:53 PM
I like those images. Remind me of Adult Swim.

Looking forward to it.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: dweezil2 20 October, 2014, 10:47:29 PM
I'm looking forward to watching it!   :)
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Albion 20 October, 2014, 11:01:47 PM
Me too. I'll judge it when I've actually watched it. Looks fine for a cartoon version to me.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: IndigoPrime 20 October, 2014, 11:29:34 PM
Nothing wrong with a Dredd cartoon; hell, it might even make someone commissioning shows think: "Now, there's a good idea!" As for live action, I'll bet had that happened, it would have been a whole lot shorter, and everyone would be griping about the special effects.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: JOE SOAP 20 October, 2014, 11:45:17 PM
As for live action, I'll bet had that happened, it would have been a whole lot shorter, and everyone would be griping about the special effects.


And no Karl Urban.


: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: TordelBack 21 October, 2014, 07:42:24 AM
I like the look of this so far.  The portraits on Death's wall are cool.  I'm a little unsure why the comics uniforms were used, but I'm not complaining.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Angry Vince 21 October, 2014, 08:02:53 AM
Took me a bit to get my head around the style, but, hell, I'll watch this.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Steve Green 21 October, 2014, 08:24:45 AM
Karl Urban was reported as saying he wouldn't be part of a fan-film that wasn't official. It's possible Adi is under a similar restriction from doing anything 2012 as a bootleg, since he is tied to the production.

I can see a lot of pissed off fans who were expecting live-action, with one person on the Make A Dredd Sequel page thinking they were taking 'Money made from the Day of Dredd' to make this.

Whether you like his take or don't like it, there's still potential for people to (wrongly) think badly of Rebellion, like they're behind it.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: TordelBack 21 October, 2014, 08:41:10 AM
Yes, it's a funny old world where we blame a comics publisher / rights holder for not preventing the long-awaited first (completed) cartoon version of its best known character...

After 37 years, a Judge Dredd cartoon!  :D And right soon!
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: amines2058 21 October, 2014, 08:53:37 AM
Ah but Tordelback surely you are forgetting this!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFVq7vPtWno (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFVq7vPtWno)
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: TordelBack 21 October, 2014, 09:03:03 AM
Ah but Tordelback surely you are forgetting this!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFVq7vPtWno (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFVq7vPtWno)

Well what do you expect, no mere human mind could be expected to retain that much thrillpower for long.  Poor Junior though, lost to stylistic symmetry.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Bubba Zebill 21 October, 2014, 09:05:41 AM
It's cool, I like it.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: shaolin_monkey 21 October, 2014, 09:13:51 AM
I like the look of this so far.  The portraits on Death's wall are cool.  I'm a little unsure why the comics uniforms were used, but I'm not complaining.

Maybe because we're getting an adaptation of this?


(https://files.list.co.uk/images/2008/09/04/jd-judge-death.jpg)

(http://www.flickeringmyth.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/poster.jpg)

: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Bat King 21 October, 2014, 09:16:52 AM
No matter what is done someone will always be unhappy.

Yes I was hoping this would be live action n end with Karl appearing as Dredd with a 'continued in Dredd 2'. Wasn't gonna happen but I was hoping.

Now I am hoping each episode is at least 5 minutes long to give a nice length story.

That animation style should suit an animated Judge Death fine.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: TordelBack 21 October, 2014, 09:51:12 AM
Maybe because we're getting an adaptation of this?

Well yeah, but the 2012 movie was an adaptation of the comic too...

I presume Steve is correct and the issue is keeping one's nose clean re: past and future productions.  I imagine Rebellion are pussycats to deal with/appease in comparison to the folk of movieland.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Beadle68 21 October, 2014, 12:16:22 PM
Can't understand why some are complaining as at moment no other Dredd production has been green lit and yet certain people have taken there own time to produce something for the fans, I for one are very pleased and can't wait to see it. So come on guys give it a chance looks quite quirky and cool  :)
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Satanist 21 October, 2014, 02:34:28 PM
Well we're all lookin forward to this in my hoose.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: COMMANDO FORCES 21 October, 2014, 07:25:06 PM
TEASER TRAILER (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljkYn4vm2wE&list=UUcMTZY1rFXO3Rj44D5VMyiw&index=1)
: Re: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Dominic O'Rourke 21 October, 2014, 07:49:01 PM
Wow.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: M.I.K. 21 October, 2014, 07:50:22 PM
I still have no problem with this.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: dweezil2 21 October, 2014, 07:55:02 PM
Looking good!   :)
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Stan 21 October, 2014, 08:15:03 PM
There's quite a contrast in quality there, I think. Backgrounds and 3D stuff looks great but the 2D characters/animation are not to my taste at all. Not that I won't watch it, but still...

As soon as I saw the screenshots I knew I'd be a decent story I'd be most banking on.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: GordonR 21 October, 2014, 08:15:11 PM
The best by far thing about this so far - Judge Dredd: Superfriend.

http://io9.com/animated-judge-dredd-trailer-expands-the-world-of-mega-1648982307 (http://io9.com/animated-judge-dredd-trailer-expands-the-world-of-mega-1648982307)
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Richmond Clements 21 October, 2014, 08:19:38 PM
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/92fccdcbe85309ca36759b4452e5aed0/tumblr_mfv2hi8CHR1rsstxgo1_r1_1280.png)
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Steve Green 21 October, 2014, 08:40:55 PM
I think the script and sound/voice acting is going to have to be a lot better than their Punisher one to keep it going.

Kev Walker's style seemed like a pretty good template for doing an animated Dredd, but maybe this kind of style will draw in an audience that otherwise might not be interested.

There are a whole bunch of pissed-off 2012 fans expecting 'Dirty Laundry with Karl Urban' though.

I'm curious to see how the viewing figures perform over the course of the web series...
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: CrazyFoxMachine 21 October, 2014, 08:54:38 PM
Really shocked by the stills - very poor, very poor indeed

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/lovefilm/gb/images/products/209446/heroshot._UR620,349_V1360782838_Lovefilmgb209446_.jpg)

But the trailer is kinda nice actually. Still a bit weird and ropey like a web cartoon from the mid-noughties... but no fear, as a Dredd fan I am just SUPER GRATEFUL that this is being made at all. It would be LITERALLY INSANE to be EVEN SLIGHTLY critical of this new endeavour, after all.

...right?
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Richmond Clements 21 October, 2014, 09:06:10 PM
as a Dredd fan I am just SUPER GRATEFUL that this is being made at all.

I recognise your ironicalness, Foxy, but this kind of attitude mystifies me. I really don't get this 'It's shite yes, but we should be grateful of anything' attitude.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Jimmy Baker's Assistant 21 October, 2014, 09:15:16 PM
I am even more dumbfounded after the trailer. Just.... what?

However, lest I be accused of negativity, low-rent and wildly inappropriate animation can definitely work. Doctor Who: Scream of the Shalka was actually quite fun.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: shaolin_monkey 21 October, 2014, 09:28:57 PM
as a Dredd fan I am just SUPER GRATEFUL that this is being made at all. It would be LITERALLY INSANE to be EVEN SLIGHTLY critical of this new endeavour, after all.

...right?

Right!!!!!  :D

 :P ;)


I liked it anyway.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Link Prime 21 October, 2014, 09:39:49 PM
Not for me I'm afraid.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: 8-Ball 21 October, 2014, 10:00:31 PM
I can't say that I am that fussed either way about this. Adi Shankar has ponied up his own dough to produce this. No one is being made to watch it and ultimately it will join the ranks of all the other not-for-profit Judge Dredd fan films on the interwebs. I'm minded to go with the flow on this one. :D
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: TordelBack 21 October, 2014, 10:29:53 PM
Hmmmmmmmmmmm.

That teaser wasn't what I was expecting, even from the stills, but I'm still firmly in wait-and-see mode.  I'd probably be effusively fawning over it if it came from a 'regular' fan, but with professional involvement (however voluntary) I feel more reserved.  It does look fun, and nice that it exists.  Hmmm.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: pauljholden 21 October, 2014, 10:31:38 PM
For something so in love with the source material there's precious little mention of same on that trailer. (Plenty of room for the producer's credit and the written by Credit though...)


-pj
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Rusty 21 October, 2014, 11:27:11 PM
Strange art direction. They've taken a very simplistic and more cartoonish approach with the characters directly from the comic, yet the city looks to be directly inspired by the 2012 film. I'm not sure that works at all. Also, the whole thing could hinge on the voice of Death. A shoddy attempt at that could instantly make this awful.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: shaolin_monkey 21 October, 2014, 11:42:29 PM
For something so in love with the source material there's precious little mention of same on that trailer. (Plenty of room for the producer's credit and the written by Credit though...)


-pj

Very good point. In my excitement I completely missed that. Fingers crossed it is remedied in each full episode.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: M.I.K. 22 October, 2014, 12:38:55 AM
Wagner & Ezquerra are mentioned on the poster, so I'm guessing they'll be in the credits, at least.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Beeks 22 October, 2014, 12:43:04 AM
I find it hilarious that Dredd fans are not ecstatic about this

What's more I think it looks top!

Definitely has a tongue in cheek 'Adult Swim' vibe going on

Should be a giggle..and that's what it should be taken as

I'm really looking forward to it

More Dredd on the screen can never be a bad thing ;-)
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Stu101 22 October, 2014, 01:19:18 AM
More Dredd on the screen can never be a bad thing ;-)

Never say never Beeks, I recall thinking something similar in '95

Think this animation could be interesting though, is it connected to the other Dredd animation that we saw character designs for a few months back?
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: COMMANDO FORCES 22 October, 2014, 01:30:01 AM
No, that's a separate animation project altogether.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: shaolin_monkey 22 October, 2014, 01:34:42 AM
Aren't we lucky folks ?! TWO Dredd animation projects!!

I feel positively spoilt!
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: SuperSurfer 22 October, 2014, 02:14:43 AM
I like the quirky loose feel to this. It's the creators' personal take on the characters and world of Dredd. 'Bootleg' is apt.

I am glad it's not a conventional approach. I am fed up of bland and conventional. I see enough of that every time I go into a superhero (comic) shop.

(Must say though, I find that Copperplate font totally out of place.)
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: blackmocco 22 October, 2014, 06:00:35 AM
No, that's a separate animation project altogether.

I just wanted to have that repeated. It'll help me sleep tonight.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Angry Vince 22 October, 2014, 06:24:41 AM
Y'know, I actually quite like the teaser. More than I thought I would.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Steve Green 22 October, 2014, 07:35:02 AM
For something so in love with the source material there's precious little mention of same on that trailer. (Plenty of room for the producer's credit and the written by Credit though...)


-pj

This ^^^^
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Spaceghost 22 October, 2014, 08:24:14 AM
It doesn't look anywhere near as awful as people are making out but it is rough, cartoony and completely removed from the tone of the film, and that will turn a lot of people off.

I'm still waiting to see it before I start griping. It all hinges on the story and how it's told.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Goaty 22 October, 2014, 11:02:47 AM
Late to this, I loved it! Looks great! like the editing even Dredd in it.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Tiplodocus 22 October, 2014, 01:11:09 PM
Sadly, nothing has grabbed my attention so far. 

Will give the first episode a watch and hope it's for me.

If it is, good. I'll watch more.

But if it isn't, I won't lose sleep over it. But more importantly, I won't whine like an entitled douche.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Goaty 22 October, 2014, 03:19:42 PM
Oh it's Teaser of Teaser! :(
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: radiator 22 October, 2014, 05:09:54 PM
It doesn't look anywhere near as awful as people are making out but it is rough, cartoony and completely removed from the tone of the film, and that will turn a lot of people off.

I agree. The stills aren't particularly flattering, but it looks much better in motion imo. It looks like it'll have a kind of unhinged energy to it at the very least.

Going by Shankar's previous bootleg shorts, I would expect the tone of Superfiend to be a little bonkers and perhaps quite removed from that of the comics. It certainly won't be to everyone's taste that's for sure, but keep in mind that it's essentially a fan project - before giving it a good slagging consider if you'd (publicly) say the same of, for example, someone's small press comic work or live action fan film.

Curious to see it, but more so for the other animation project - the one Flint, Burdis et al are working on. What they've released so far looks very promising.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Spikes 22 October, 2014, 05:44:56 PM
I cant get that teaser to play,  :(

Is it my crappy laptop, or has it been pulled for some reason?
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Steve Green 22 October, 2014, 05:46:16 PM
It's still there.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Proudhuff 22 October, 2014, 05:53:45 PM
This will be filed with the IDW ongoing comic in my house. :thumbsdown:
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Spikes 22 October, 2014, 05:56:48 PM
It's still there.

Yeah, its there, but just not playing for some reason. For me anyway. Though clicking on any other YouTube video, reveals they play just fine.  :-\

I'll try turning my lappy off, and then on again...
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Judge Nutmeg 22 October, 2014, 09:29:01 PM
Surprised this thread has went on for so long without anyone mentioning Ralph Bashki or Ren and Stimpy. As that style seems to be what the animators are aiming for . At the end of the day it's a gift for the fans , watch it and if you dont like it , just forget it. Hopefully this may pave the way for DREDD 2 been green lit.  And to the people complaining how bad it looks, could be worse, they could have announced this was DREDD 2  :lol:
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: blackmocco 22 October, 2014, 10:50:38 PM
Because Ren and Stimpy is what one thinks of when Judge Death is mentioned...
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Spikes 23 October, 2014, 06:03:39 PM
Caught this today - at last.

Hard to really judge a short teaser for a trailer, but I didn't mind what I did see. Curious to see the full trailer now. Maybe this'll not be everyone's cuppa, but hey....

The proper trailer is out today?
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Steve Green 23 October, 2014, 08:05:31 PM
It's up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnGKyOcBNMc&feature=youtu.be&a (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnGKyOcBNMc&feature=youtu.be&a)
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Goaty 23 October, 2014, 08:18:40 PM
Ooh very gore! So how was Death's voice?
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: TordelBack 23 October, 2014, 08:21:52 PM
Okay, that makes things a lot clearer, both in terms of tone and style.  I'm not sure why Death's face needs quite so much animation in the cheek'n'lip area (I've always imagined that grin to be entirely fixed - y'know, like a skull), but other than that this looks like quite a lot of fun. 
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Tiplodocus 23 October, 2014, 08:23:35 PM
Yeah. That actually looks like it might be a bit of a laugh.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Dunk! 23 October, 2014, 08:26:16 PM
 :o That looks awful.

Like an E4 sting gone on too long.

Being free doesn't make it immune to criticism.

Dunk!
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Richmond Clements 23 October, 2014, 08:27:29 PM
:o That looks awful.

Like an E4 sting gone on too long.

Being free doesn't make it immune to criticism.

Dunk!

Agreed. But someone will be along shortly to explain you're wrong.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: DaveGYNWA 23 October, 2014, 08:28:49 PM
Yeah. That actually looks like it might be a bit of a laugh.

Yep - I chuckled.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: M.I.K. 23 October, 2014, 08:37:24 PM
I rather like the look of that.
Surprised this thread has went on for so long without anyone mentioning Ralph Bashki or Ren and Stimpy.
It does indeed look very Baskshi-ish.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: radiator 23 October, 2014, 09:00:04 PM
Music choice is a bit... odd, and yes, there's a jarring disconnect between the 2d and 3d animation styles. But I'll wait until the first episode to appraise it properly.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Albion 23 October, 2014, 09:02:38 PM
But someone will be along shortly to explain you're wrong.

Well everyone is capable of that when they don't like something. Not everyone likes the same stuff.

I'm still liking it and it looks, and sounds, great to me. It's not spot on comic Dredd, neither was the film, but I think there's room for this in the world of Dredd and I'm looking forward to it.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: M.I.K. 23 October, 2014, 09:18:53 PM
I am of the opinion that Adam West is still the best live action Batman.

Also worth mentioning, all relevant creators are properly credited in the full trailer.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: dweezil2 23 October, 2014, 09:20:01 PM
Must admit I gave a little giggle when Death peeled that guy's skin off fom the jaw!

Will reserve full judgement until I've watched a complete episode.

There's room for a Judge Dredd/Futurama crossover!   :)
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: dweezil2 23 October, 2014, 09:22:18 PM
Must admit I gave a little giggle when Death peeled that guy's skin off fom the jaw!

Will reserve full judgement until I've watched a complete episode.

There's room for a Judge Dredd/Futurama crossover!   :)


"From the jaw!"   
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Stan 23 October, 2014, 10:24:22 PM
Yeah, I'm definitely not liking aspects of that animation style. Characters seem to jarringly flop around like they're made of liquid or something.

Though on a more positive note, I'm definitely more interested in the story side of things. It does look viciously fun.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: shaolin_monkey 23 October, 2014, 10:32:02 PM
:o That looks awful.

Like an E4 sting gone on too long.

Being free doesn't make it immune to criticism.

Dunk!

Agreed. But someone will be along shortly to explain you're wrong.

YOU'RE WRONG, SO WRONG IT'S UNREAL!!! WHAT'S THE MATTER WITH YOU PEOPLE?!? YOU SHOULD BE GRATEFUL ANYONE EVEN CARES ENOUGH TO NAKE A COMIC OF IT, LET ALONE A CARTOON AND A FILM AND STUFF!!!  BLOODY HELL!!!

...but yeah, it does look a bit shit.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: JOE SOAP 23 October, 2014, 10:33:28 PM

Though on a more positive note, I'm definitely more interested in the story side of things. It does look viciously fun.


We'll have to see how that turns out:


    Episode 1: Judge Sydney
    Episode 2: The Angel Gang
    Episode 3: Judge Death
    Episode 4: Rico & Vienna
    Episode 5: In Death We Trust
    Episode 6: Dredd vs Death (http://www.movieweb.com/judge-dredd-superfiend-trailer-2)


: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Goaty 23 October, 2014, 10:42:28 PM
Insane moment!

(http://i.imgur.com/dEIuJ1L.gif?1)
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: dweezil2 23 October, 2014, 11:08:01 PM
Yeah, that's the bit Goaty!

Snort!
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: SmallBlueThing 23 October, 2014, 11:09:41 PM
Haha!  Really liked that. I was erring on the side on caution,  but that looks absolutely mad.  Amazing how some gratuitous skin ripping can change a boy's mind.  Cant wait to see the whole thing now. 

SBT
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Stan 24 October, 2014, 12:22:46 AM
We'll have to see how that turns out:


    Episode 1: Judge Sydney
    Episode 2: The Angel Gang
    Episode 3: Judge Death
    Episode 4: Rico & Vienna
    Episode 5: In Death We Trust
    Episode 6: Dredd vs Death (http://www.movieweb.com/judge-dredd-superfiend-trailer-2)

Danke. Those titles look good to me. I just hope the episodes themselves aren't too short.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: ABCwarBOT 24 October, 2014, 01:00:53 AM
Well I find Death naff anyway and that certainly makes him look naff so that's about all I can say really.   
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: M.I.K. 24 October, 2014, 03:54:35 AM
If he doesn't say "That'ssss all Folkssss" at the end, I'm going to be very disappointed.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Apestrife 24 October, 2014, 07:46:58 AM
It's fun + It's for free. = It's great!

Can't wait.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Spaceghost 24 October, 2014, 08:24:12 AM
If it's OK to call this shit and slag it off to high heaven, is it OK if I start ripping into some of the less 'professional' looking fan-art posted on this forum?

No, thought not.

Regardless of whether Adi Shankar worked on the film DREDD, this is technically a fan project, done out of love for no profit. All the negative comments aimed at this (not just on here, on Facebook and YouTube as well), AND Oliver Hollingdale's Cursed Edge project absolutely boggles my mind.

You're not paying anyone to watch it, the makers don't owe you, or anyone else a thing. If you don't like it, fine, you're not obliged to, but what's the point in putting people down for being as into 'our thing' as to make a free animated web series?

The entitlement of some 'fans' saddens me.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: -Dunk!- 24 October, 2014, 08:46:12 AM
It's OK to call this shit and slag it off to high heaven, it's OK if I start ripping into some of the less 'professional' looking fan-art posted on this forum?

(My edits in bold)

Yes, I that's what you want to do. As long as you criticise the creation and not personally attack the creator fill ya boots.

Fandom is under no obligation to be grateful for absolutely anything aimed at them just 'cos it's free and apparently created with love.

A sense of entitlement is the utter shit that is GameGate, not this.

Dunk!
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Goaty 24 October, 2014, 08:55:52 AM
Well post, Spaceghost :)
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Apestrife 24 October, 2014, 09:12:10 AM
Well post, Spaceghost :)

I second that.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: M.I.K. 24 October, 2014, 09:25:07 AM
A sense of entitlement is the utter shit that is GameGate, not this.

GamerGate is an extreme. Some seem to be reacting to this series as if it was a personal affront rather than just something that isn't to their personal tastes.

Some of the criticism could definitely do with being a bit more polite.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: GordonR 24 October, 2014, 09:29:08 AM
The idea that you can only judge this as if it were any other fan-made project is fairly ludicrous....

....unless, of course, there's many other fan films out there that can clearly afford access to professional PR services that can get them coverage at major media entertainment outlets?
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Spaceghost 24 October, 2014, 09:57:14 AM
The idea that you can only judge this as if it were any other fan-made project is fairly ludicrous....

Please, judge away. I just don't think comments like "it's shit", before the first episode has even been seen, are particularly valid criticisms. Not too much of that on this forum, but some of the comments I've seen elsewhere have been needlessly rude.

....unless, of course, there's many other fan films out there that can clearly afford access to professional PR services that can get them coverage at major media entertainment outlets?

I don't understand what that has to do with extending common courtesy to someone who has created a not-for-profit tribute to a beloved character. Is it the fact that Adi Shankar knows a few people here and there who can help him get his project seen? Or the suggestion that he's spent some of his own money to get extra publicity?

Either way, he's basically a fan who is asking for nothing in return.

Yes, I that's what you want to do. As long as you criticise the creation and not personally attack the creator fill ya boots.

Yes, I that's what you want to do. As long as you criticise the creation and not personally attack the creator fill ya boots.

Fandom is under no obligation to be grateful for absolutely anything aimed at them just 'cos it's free and apparently created with love.

I agree, but if I peppered the art threads on here with comments in a similar vein to the ones relating to this project, I would, rightly, be branded a dick-head.

I'm not looking for a fight, I love you all, but I just think it might be appropriate to try to temper the ire just a bit.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: IndigoPrime 24 October, 2014, 10:13:34 AM
FWIW, as with anything on this forum:

- Attacking the creator with personal insults is not acceptable.
- Attacking the art with "THIS IS SHIT! LOL!!!ONE!!!1!!" is… unwelcome.
- Constructive criticism is perfectly welcome, regardless of how and why the work was created.

As long as any comments about this series remain about the work itself and don't veer into personal insults, they're well within the rules of the board.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Bubba Zebill 24 October, 2014, 10:19:22 AM
It's cool, I like it. (It's a variation the theme)
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: -Dunk!- 24 October, 2014, 10:23:10 AM
I'm not looking for a fight, I love you all

Agreed.

Dunk!
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: pauljholden 24 October, 2014, 10:46:57 AM
What I find interesting about a large part of this debate is what constitutes a 'fan' project. To me, this isn't a 'fan' project, it's a low-budget professional project done without permission/agreement with the copyright holders, which will make money on adviews in youtube.

So how is this different than channel 4 spontaneously deciding they'll make a lower budget version of Doctor Who* but it's alright because they're all fans of it?


-pj
(*if such a thing is possible...)
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Spaceghost 24 October, 2014, 10:54:10 AM
What I find interesting about a large part of this debate is what constitutes a 'fan' project. To me, this isn't a 'fan' project, it's a low-budget professional project done without permission/agreement with the copyright holders, which will make money on adviews in youtube.

So how is this different than channel 4 spontaneously deciding they'll make a lower budget version of Doctor Who* but it's alright because they're all fans of it?


-pj
(*if such a thing is possible...)

Good point. Presumably Rebellion are convinced that this can be categorised as a not-for-profit fan project, or they would have shut it down long ago.

I don't have any idea what kind of revenue one could expect from YouTube ads, but It wouldn't be anything like the amount Channel 4 would make from a definitely-not-for-profit version of Doctor Who.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: pauljholden 24 October, 2014, 11:00:57 AM
What I find interesting about a large part of this debate is what constitutes a 'fan' project. To me, this isn't a 'fan' project, it's a low-budget professional project done without permission/agreement with the copyright holders, which will make money on adviews in youtube.

So how is this different than channel 4 spontaneously deciding they'll make a lower budget version of Doctor Who* but it's alright because they're all fans of it?


-pj
(*if such a thing is possible...)

Good point. Presumably Rebellion are convinced that this can be categorised as a not-for-profit fan project, or they would have shut it down long ago.

I don't have any idea what kind of revenue one could expect from YouTube ads, but It wouldn't be anything like the amount Channel 4 would make from a definitely-not-for-profit version of Doctor Who.

Point one, you're assuming Rebellion know more about this than you or I. I get the impression this landed on them as much as it landed on us. (I get that impression from the way Shankar talks about it in the video and actually to be fair to him, maybe he defines "bootleg" as something different from how you and I think of "fan-project" - bootleg, as I understand HIS understanding, seems to mean, professional level, distribution direct to the fans and ignoring all that bothersome copyright stuff).

On point two, it's not about revenue, it's about profit. I'd hazard a guess it's possible to make a tidy sum from advertising on youtube if you only have yourself to split that profit with. TV on the other hand is gonna be more expensive to make and then you'll have to split the rest between the station, the producers, and the lawyers you'll inevitably need because the beeb has a big machine that can trample over you in the way that 2000AD doesn't.

-pj
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Steve Green 24 October, 2014, 11:02:36 AM
From what I've looked into, it's not much (unless you really do well out of views)

We don't have ad-revenue enabled for Minty, and were asked not to. (presumably since DNA have motion picture rights it would muddy things)

So I couldn't tell you from experience what someone might get for a certain amount of views.

: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Satanist 24 October, 2014, 11:40:10 AM
I seem to remember it getting a bit heated on here a few years back when certain folk commented poorly on certain fanzines. Fanzines which unlike this video you are charged for.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Jim_Campbell 24 October, 2014, 11:47:09 AM
Fanzines which unlike this video you are charged for.

Those fanzines, assuming you are weaselling around saying "Zarjaz" and "Dogbreath", are emphatically not for profit. The video makes money from ad views. It may also be not-for-profit and will lift the ad element when the costs have been recouped — we don't know.

Cheers

Jim
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Satanist 24 October, 2014, 11:56:33 AM
Weasiling Jim? Fuck right off! I didnt name names as I didnt remember which one it was (though I do remember the boarder involved)
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Bolt-01 24 October, 2014, 11:58:34 AM
I seem to remember it getting a bit heated on here a few years back when certain folk commented poorly on certain fanzines. Fanzines which unlike this video you are charged for.

Hmm- not sure if I missed all that. I don't recall anyone specifically having a pop at Zarjaz or Dogbreath- but I am very prepared to admit my memory may well be faulty. I think that the strips that lead to this were around the times of Tank Girl and Stalag 666. And that little kefuffle cost the board Rufus. Something none of us should forget.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: pauljholden 24 October, 2014, 12:04:25 PM
I seem to remember it getting a bit heated on here a few years back when certain folk commented poorly on certain fanzines. Fanzines which unlike this video you are charged for.

I feel like this is an apples-to-oranges comparison, for reasons already stated, I don't see this as comparable to a fanzine in any way.

(though the framing of monsterous-for-profit-fanzines vs plucky-little-millionaire-who-could is amusing...)

-pj
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Tiplodocus 24 October, 2014, 12:38:22 PM
Blimey! Profit/not for profit? Professional/veryrichfanmade? I'm all confused now.

How about if I watch it on something other than youtube and promise Not to enjoy it?
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Richmond Clements 24 October, 2014, 12:39:18 PM
I seem to remember it getting a bit heated on here a few years back when certain folk commented poorly on certain fanzines. Fanzines which unlike this video you are charged for.

I feel like this is an apples-to-oranges comparison, for reasons already stated, I don't see this as comparable to a fanzine in any way.

(though the framing of monsterous-for-profit-fanzines vs plucky-little-millionaire-who-could is amusing...)

-pj

You're obviously a stooge for big-fanzine!
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Albion 24 October, 2014, 12:41:51 PM
I've heard that you need to get a 100000 hits on YouTube before you make any money.

There are people out there making a living off youtube apparently. Some of the gamers on there posting videos of hugely popular games like GTA V are getting well over a million views for just one video and they post a lot of them.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Satanist 24 October, 2014, 12:44:20 PM
I'm glad you find that amusing PJ as you made it all up in your own head. All I was stating is that one thing is free and the other expects me to put my hand in my pocket.

Yet its ok to say its shit to the free thing that hasnt been released yet (apparently because its made by a milliionare) but if I acted that way with a fanzine (not for profit and all for love) that I bought and read  then I would be called on it.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Spaceghost 24 October, 2014, 12:44:57 PM
OK. The minute Adi Shankar makes 1 cent of profit off this, everyone's allowed to say it's a big pile of fucking shit.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Jim_Campbell 24 October, 2014, 12:46:33 PM
Yet its ok to say its shit to the free thing that hasnt been released yet (apparently because its made by a milliionare) but if I acted that way with a fanzine (not for profit and all for love) that I bought and read  then I would be called on it.

Reading comprehension really is a problem on this forum at times.

Cheers

Jim
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Steve Green 24 October, 2014, 12:47:13 PM
The only person I know with ad revenue had a video in the million+ range and he was getting around 600 quid a year.

Trying to nail down how much something will earn seems to be pretty tricky, and I've read reports of ad revenue dropping severely.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Satanist 24 October, 2014, 12:49:30 PM
OK. The minute Adi Shankar makes 1 cent of profit off this, everyone's allowed to say it's a big pile of fucking shit.

S'right!
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Teivion 24 October, 2014, 01:07:03 PM
Well Bootleg is described as :

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/bootleg

so at least its being honest.

Knowing how hard the Steve's worked on Minty to stay within Rebellions wishes I do wonder what Rebellion honestly think of this steamrolling in .

It looks mmm- 'OK' to me- certainly I will watch it - at least to see for starters.

Liking Deaths voice anyway.

And try seeing how many artists actually do draw a Bolland-ish Death side on and make him look half decent ;-)


But yeh- certain things could - and should- have been handled a llot better by someone who really should know better.....




: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: pauljholden 24 October, 2014, 01:08:08 PM
I'm glad you find that amusing PJ as you made it all up in your own head.

I find most of my best jokes are.


All I was stating is that one thing is free and the other expects me to put my hand in my pocket.

Yet its ok to say its shit to the free thing that hasnt been released yet (apparently because its made by a milliionare) but if I acted that way with a fanzine (not for profit and all for love) that I bought and read  then I would be called on it.

I don't feel that just because something is fan-made* it's beyond criticism, but certainly, I'll weigh my criticism against the abilities of whoever is producing it. (but then I'm not someone who generally throws around the disclaimer "it's shit!" so maybe you're not really addressing me here.)

(*on that point, as I've stated already, I don't consider this fan-made. It's made by professionals in a semi-professional manner, the only difference is this hasn't had any sort of ok from the copyright holders. Bootleg is right)

In fact, I don't think I've expressed any opinion at all on the quality of the product, rather I've suggested that what they've done is endangered future work and products that 2000AD could be putting out there.


-pj
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Teivion 24 October, 2014, 01:12:18 PM



I don't feel that just because something is fan-made* it's beyond criticism, but certainly, I'll weigh my criticism against the abilities of whoever is producing it. (but then I'm not someone who generally throws around the disclaimer "it's shit!" so maybe you're not really addressing me here.)

(*on that point, as I've stated already, I don't consider this fan-made. It's made by professionals in a semi-professional manner, the only difference is this hasn't had any sort of ok from the copyright holders. Bootleg is right)

In fact, I don't think I've expressed any opinion at all on the quality of the product, rather I've suggested that what they've done is endangered future work and products that 2000AD could be putting out there.


-pj
[/quote]

Can this be made a sticky for the thread ?

Ta.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Goaty 24 October, 2014, 01:16:27 PM
been re-watch the trailer, really enjoy it, so bring on 27th!
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Dandontdare 24 October, 2014, 01:47:18 PM
That trailer looks like a whole heap o' fun. I wish we had cartoons like this on a Saturday morning when I was a kid. Can't wait!
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: shaolin_monkey 24 October, 2014, 01:49:49 PM
Is there anyone here NOT likely to watch it on the 27th?  Despite my reservations based on the full trailer (not that keen on the animation style, voices, etc), I'm still looking forward to it. 
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Proudhuff 24 October, 2014, 02:10:56 PM
Is there anyone here NOT likely to watch it on the 27th?

that will be me, but I'm a shit!
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: matty_ae 24 October, 2014, 02:14:30 PM
Yup, not for me.

I think it just confuses me. I'd rather have just seen a short Judge Death test shot - y'know a decent stab at how me could look on screen whether that's latex mask, stop motion or cgi.

I don't understand how this helps/encourages/amplifies the chance of getting more movie Dredd.
 
If I'm confused, I don't know what a casual US fan would make of it.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Spaceghost 24 October, 2014, 02:20:13 PM
If it is the case that this has been done with no consent from Rebellion, then I'm against it regardless of quality. I just assumed that for it to get to this stage, the legal bidniss must have been sorted out and agreed upon in a similar fashion to Judge Minty.

In fact, I don't think I've expressed any opinion at all on the quality of the product, rather I've suggested that what they've done is endangered future work and products that 2000AD could be putting out there.

Really hope this isn't the case.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Hawkmumbler 24 October, 2014, 02:29:31 PM
It looks like a good fun little bit of entertainment. Which it is. If you don't find it enticing, don't watch it. What's to debate about?
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: GordonR 24 October, 2014, 02:31:32 PM
If it is the case that this has been done with no consent from Rebellion, then I'm against it regardless of quality. I just assumed that for it to get to this stage, the legal bidniss must have been sorted out and agreed upon in a similar fashion to Judge Minty.

Rebellion gave Minty publicity support in its newsletters, on this site and on its Facebook page, Twitter feed etc.

Simple question:  Have you seen them mention this anywhere at all?
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Spaceghost 24 October, 2014, 02:38:08 PM
If it is the case that this has been done with no consent from Rebellion, then I'm against it regardless of quality. I just assumed that for it to get to this stage, the legal bidniss must have been sorted out and agreed upon in a similar fashion to Judge Minty.

Rebellion gave Minty publicity support in its newsletters, on this site and on its Facebook page, Twitter feed etc.

Simple question:  Have you seen them mention this anywhere at all?

Now you mention it, no. So how is it still able to be released? If Rebellion were against it, surely they would have been able to stop it.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Banners 24 October, 2014, 02:43:28 PM
Bit of an awkward situation if Rebellion are indebted to Adi Shankar for getting the movie off the ground, and if they want to retain his goodwill for the possibility of a future sequel.

Seems a bit unprofessional of Adi Shankar, especially not explicitly mentioning Rebellion in the preamble nor in the credits of the latest vid.

Perhaps our fellow board member Judge Hollingdale can shed some light on the situation?
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: blackmocco 24 October, 2014, 03:40:09 PM
Bit of an awkward situation if Rebellion are indebted to Adi Shankar for getting the movie off the ground, and if they want to retain his goodwill for the possibility of a future sequel.

Seems a bit unprofessional of Adi Shankar, especially not explicitly mentioning Rebellion in the preamble nor in the credits of the latest vid.

Perhaps our fellow board member Judge Hollingdale can shed some light on the situation?

Well, here's the other thing: Shankar did not "get the movie off the ground" single-handedly, on his own. I'm not bagging on his contributions - however big or small they may have been - but his press and quotes make it seem like he's the brains and creative impetus behind the entire 2012 endeavour, which is dangerously misleading.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: M.I.K. 24 October, 2014, 03:56:26 PM
Can you quote these quotes?
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: M.I.K. 24 October, 2014, 04:01:06 PM
Seems a bit unprofessional of Adi Shankar, especially not explicitly mentioning Rebellion in the preamble nor in the credits of the latest vid.

If their name appeared too briefly on-screen in the trailer, some folk could catch a glimpse of it and assume it was officially endorsed by them. Probably better not doing that.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: pauljholden 24 October, 2014, 04:26:09 PM
If it is the case that this has been done with no consent from Rebellion, then I'm against it regardless of quality. I just assumed that for it to get to this stage, the legal bidniss must have been sorted out and agreed upon in a similar fashion to Judge Minty.

Rebellion gave Minty publicity support in its newsletters, on this site and on its Facebook page, Twitter feed etc.

Simple question:  Have you seen them mention this anywhere at all?

Now you mention it, no. So how is it still able to be released? If Rebellion were against it, surely they would have been able to stop it.

How?

To be clear: I have no insider knowledge here, but as I've said upstream, Rebellion probably know as much about this as you or I (see the lack of actual publicity from 2000ad about this), and may even be having similar internal debates. If they decide it's in their interests to pull the plug it may cost them a small fortune (getting and enforcing an international cease / desist? what does that cost) if they decide to let it come out and ignore it, then they've tacitly given the nod to anyone and his dog to produce any kind of shitty product and present it fait accompli, thereby potentially damaging the brand, watering down the trademark (which for those that don't know, if it isn't actively defended can be lost - see BBC/Tardis/The Police) and actually souring the good graces of those fans who've tried to do right by seeking permission.

This is a bigger issue than "it's shite! it's ace!" or "it's for profit! it's making some money!".

(To paraphrase Father Ted "sure, wouldn't it have been better if it had never been made".)

-pj
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: pauljholden 24 October, 2014, 04:40:05 PM
(And I would add: if they decide to stop it, they may end up looking like - in many people's eyes, the villains of the piece.)
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: IndigoPrime 24 October, 2014, 04:42:50 PM
Agreed. Maybe there's only one solution.

(http://reverttosaved.com/tmp/exec.jpg)

10 years in the Cubes, creep!
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: JOE SOAP 24 October, 2014, 04:54:01 PM
Point one, you're assuming Rebellion know more about this than you or I. I get the impression this landed on them as much as it landed on us.


This project does occupy an odd grey area and has been known to be in production for nearly 2 years but I assume the legal ball is really in DNA's court on this one since they've licensed audio/visual rights to Judge Dredd for several years.

: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: pauljholden 24 October, 2014, 04:58:45 PM
Point one, you're assuming Rebellion know more about this than you or I. I get the impression this landed on them as much as it landed on us.


This project does occupy an odd grey area and has been known to be in production for nearly 2 years but I assume the legal ball is really in DNA's court on this one since they've licensed audio/visual rights to Judge Dredd for several years.


But up until the animated series it was mostly assumed to be some sort of live action thing (and having seen the other shorts he's done they've been very careful to avoid treading too hard on copyrights, but then those copyrights belong to Disney), then it become an animation (no-one knew about) then an animated series (no-one had seen). Having seen it, visually it's yanking more from the comic than the movie/tv series, but you're probably right - it's on DNA*, but they probably don't care enough to spend the money to stop it, leaving it with Rebellion who may not legally be able to. From the perspective of Rebellion I imagine this is the kind of fan material they could do without.

-pj
(*Actually I have no idea what rights DNA have, nor their obligations, so who knows - but I imagine the entire thing is a legal mess that Rebellion could really be doing without)
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Mark Taylor 24 October, 2014, 05:00:19 PM
Arguments around who's treading on whose copyrightable toes and such aside (which are pure speculation because we have no information about Rebellion's involvement or lack thereof at this point) I'm quite looking forward to watching this. As has been said by others, it looks like fun. It's definitely not the animation style I'd have chosen or expected, but hey, that'd just all part of life's rich tapestry. If nothing ever defied our expectations it would be dull indeed.

If the material is good in the long run I'll support it. Much like I'm supporting the Zenith reprints - coincidentally Phase One popped through my letterbox today - because I'm just glad it's out there. And before I cop an earful for that, yes I do know it's a completely different situation. Regardless, there are still some copyright 'issues' involved in both cases.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Stan 24 October, 2014, 05:07:12 PM
I'm not really arsed about the intricacies of the legal debate but I would've thought this could be seen as a good way of testing the waters for animated Dredd (and other characters). It's free and someone else does the donkey work.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: JOE SOAP 24 October, 2014, 05:09:50 PM
But up until the animated series it was mostly assumed to be some sort of live action thing


To the public, that was the case, which was all down to Shankar not being clear about what he intended. I'm not privy to the scope of Rebellion's awareness on this but 2000AD were seen to reach out to Shankar last year for him to contact them. I don't expect them to publicly comment either way.


: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: pauljholden 24 October, 2014, 05:11:23 PM
Arguments around who's treading on whose copyrightable toes and such aside (which are pure speculation because we have no information about Rebellion's involvement or lack thereof at this point)

Aside from the intros to the videos where Shanker makes it clear that Rebellion have had zero involvement...

-pj
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: pauljholden 24 October, 2014, 05:14:34 PM
But up until the animated series it was mostly assumed to be some sort of live action thing


To the public, that was the case, which was all down to Shankar not being clear about what he intended. I'm not privy to the scope of Rebellion's awareness on this but 2000AD were seen to reach out to Shankar last year for him to contact them. I don't expect them to publicly comment either way.

My reading is if they were as pleased as punch and fully support this they'd be talking about it - certainly that's been true of every other fan project they've supported.

But you're right, this is all speculation. Let's get back to whether it's shite or not! (I'm kidding!)

Anyhue, I've said what I wanted to (possibly, as is often the case, far more than once) so I'm out!

-pj
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: JOE SOAP 24 October, 2014, 05:19:49 PM
My reading is if they were as pleased as punch and fully support this they'd be talking about it - certainly that's been true of every other fan project they've supported.


Possibly, but they might be in a bind on this one if they can't be seen to support something that is not official, especially in terms or where it originates from. They haven't denigrated it either, which I assume they could, if wanted.



But you're right, this is all speculation. Let's get back to whether it's shite or not! (I'm kidding!)

At the moment it looks to be a bit of a curate's egg.



: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: M.I.K. 24 October, 2014, 05:22:44 PM
On the other hand, if this had been officially endorsed by Rebellion and they were uber-enthusiastic, that'd mean that if it were to be a steaming pile of poop, they'd get lumbered with some of the blame.

Whereas, because it isn't endorsed by Rebellion or DNA and Alice Cooper Adi Shankar has made it very clear it isn't, if it's guff, they can just wash their hands of it and say "nowt to do with us, guv", or somesuch other unlikely colloquialism.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Mark Taylor 24 October, 2014, 05:24:47 PM
Arguments around who's treading on whose copyrightable toes and such aside (which are pure speculation because we have no information about Rebellion's involvement or lack thereof at this point)

Aside from the intros to the videos where Shanker makes it clear that Rebellion have had zero involvement...

-pj

From what I've seen he makes it clear it's 'not official' and 'not endorsed' (there may be something out there I haven't seen in which case someone could maybe point me in the direction). That doesn't preclude the possibility that he approached Rebellion and they said, in effect, go ahead but we're not giving you any official support or recognition.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Mark Taylor 24 October, 2014, 05:27:50 PM
BTW if Judge Dredd takes his helmet off and cries like a baby only to be consoled by loving girl Judge kisses at the end, I'll call it a pile of shite.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Bat King 24 October, 2014, 06:59:41 PM
By heck isn't Minty grand though?
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: ABCwarBOT 24 October, 2014, 07:21:18 PM
I admit I'm biased anyway as I don't like Death but I'm not sure this is a good way of promoting things Dredd.   

I like the way Shankar's trying to get more Dredd things off the ground and that there's apparently an attempt at satire in this (Dredd didn't have enough satire for me) but it does look a bit camp and like it's  from a kids animated tv channel.   

'll give it a watch though but more out of curiosity than anything else and an animated Dredd has never been top of my wants list. 
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Steve Green 24 October, 2014, 07:27:24 PM

It's interesting looking back at Dirty Laundry - I never paid much attention to the actual crew.

The director worked on State of Grace and U2:Rattle and Hum

The DoP worked on the Grey and Silver Linings Playbook

Throw in Thomas Jane and Ron Perlman and it's a bit of a different animal to the typical fan film.

: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: JOE SOAP 24 October, 2014, 07:53:30 PM



At the time Dirty Laundry was originally released it was purely promoted as a Thomas Jane instigated solo project (he has his production company) and presented by him at Comic Con. Shankar is almost never name-checked in the articles:

"The actor has apparently created a short film titled Punisher: Dirty Laundry that he released during Comic Con. He did it not because he was hired to, but because he simply loves the character and wanted to play it another time. About the short Jane said, "I wanted to make a fan film for a character I've always loved and believed in - a love letter to Frank Castle & his fans. It was an incredible experience with everyone on the project throwing in their time just for the fun of it. It's been a blast to be a part of from start to finish -- we hope the friends of Frank enjoy watching it as much as we did making it."


http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Thomas-Jane-Returns-Frank-Castle-Short-Film-Punisher-Dirty-Laundry-31963.html

http://collider.com/punisher-short-film-thomas-jane/

http://comicsalliance.com/dirty-laundry-punisher-fan-film-thomas-jane-ron-perlman/

http://www.nerdist.com/2012/07/thomas-janes-dirtylaundry/

http://www.slashfilm.com/watch-dirty-laundry-thomas-janes-punisher-short-film/



: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Steve Green 24 October, 2014, 08:49:29 PM
Interesting - I thought he would have always been fairly prominent.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Theblazeuk 24 October, 2014, 10:26:30 PM
Only became apparent to me when we got to Truth in Journalism (which was awesome), then I realised exactly who was doing what. I think Tom Jane was half the force behind Dirty Laundry but I could be wrong.

I am very happy with this. And love the creepy saturday morning cartoon look.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: JOE SOAP 25 October, 2014, 12:11:39 AM
In his own words:


So you mention that this was an unauthorized version of the Dredd (universe). Even though you were a producer on the film, could you not get the rights? Or because of Bootleg Universe did you not want to get the rights? What happened there?


Well, I had a very specific vision and I just wanted to do it that way. I made this for the fans … I wasn’t trying to sell this to Netflix or anything.


Have you heard from the people who have the rights? Or is this a flying-under-the-radar type thing?

Can I plead the fifth? (laughs) I don’t want to get sued but look: 2000AD (the publisher), they’re cool. You know, to tell you the truth, one of the things that always bothered me about the Bootleg Universe in general was that I liked these things — I thought they were fun, but we live in this consumerist mosh pit where everything has to be about box office and monetization and opening weekend and it seems weird to me. There were all these news stories going around and after I would do one of these things it would be like, “Oh Adi Shankar makes a pitch to Marvel for another Punisher movie,” and I’m like: “Fuck you, this is not a pitch! I just needed to make it.”



http://newmediarockstars.com/2014/10/hollywood-producerfan-adi-shankar-brings-judge-dredd-to-youtube/
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: shaolin_monkey 25 October, 2014, 03:27:30 AM
It's interesting to see how this has polarised folk.  There's a real love/hate thang going on!
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Goaty 25 October, 2014, 05:48:52 AM
Like Doctor Who!  ;)
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Pete Wells 25 October, 2014, 10:28:32 AM
Erm... is it okay if I do another shit animated song for the message board advent calendar this year?

If any Judge Dredd animation is shit, it's those travesties!
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Frank 25 October, 2014, 10:47:28 AM
Erm... is it okay if I do another shit animated song for the message board advent calendar this year?

Looking forward to you finding a rhyme for Adi Shankar.


: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: I, Cosh 25 October, 2014, 12:05:22 PM
Flying Car.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Bat King 25 October, 2014, 03:56:22 PM
I will be watching this late on 27th I think cos my son is treating me to a home cooked meal at his future Mother-in-Law's (he is house sitting while they are in Florida).

So there will be an internet blackout my side so I see it before people tell me it is dis or dat.

I will make my mind up fully when I see it but I think the style could work.  Either way I will give a review.  Usually I only review what I like but in this case I will review, constructively, whether I think it is goid oe not.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Dash Decent 26 October, 2014, 11:00:26 AM
That part with Mean Machine setting his dial really puts me in mind of the Sex Pistols animations used in the Great Rock n Roll Swindle.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Spikes 26 October, 2014, 02:23:29 PM
That part with Mean Machine setting his dial really puts me in mind of the Sex Pistols animations used in the Great Rock n Roll Swindle.


Me too.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Spaceghost 26 October, 2014, 03:02:14 PM
That part with Mean Machine setting his dial really puts me in mind of the Sex Pistols animations used in the Great Rock n Roll Swindle.


Me too.

Yep. As I said, very reminiscent of the Captain Kremmen cartoons by Cosgrove Hall, who also did the animation for the Great Rock n Roll Swindle. And Dangermouse.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: SuperSurfer 26 October, 2014, 03:32:05 PM
Only just seen the trailer. Very impressed. I think it has some of the anarchy of 2000AD.

Hold onto your seats those who are putting together the other Dredd animation.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Frank 26 October, 2014, 04:31:21 PM
Cosgrove Hall ... did the animation for the Great Rock n Roll Swindle. And Dangermouse.

That's the single fact I'll take away from an entire weekend of reading.


: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Bubba Zebill 27 October, 2014, 07:42:38 AM
That part with Mean Machine setting his dial really puts me in mind of the Sex Pistols animations used in the Great Rock n Roll Swindle.

Exactly!
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Apestrife 27 October, 2014, 10:03:07 AM
Only just seen the trailer. Very impressed. I think it has some of the anarchy of 2000AD.

Hold onto your seats those who are putting together the other Dredd animation.

Have there been any updates on the other Dredd-animation project lately? I only remember some talks about a team being put together, but not much more than that.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Theblazeuk 27 October, 2014, 10:06:35 AM
In a sane world, a Marvel exec would have looked at Dirty Laundry and gone "Ohhhhh.... that's how we should have done it all along!"

: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: shaolin_monkey 27 October, 2014, 12:15:53 PM
Only just seen the trailer. Very impressed. I think it has some of the anarchy of 2000AD.

Hold onto your seats those who are putting together the other Dredd animation.

Have there been any updates on the other Dredd-animation project lately? I only remember some talks about a team being put together, but not much more than that.

Updates are here:

http://stephenreid.wix.com/thedreddproject#!updates/c1tsl
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Fisticuffs 27 October, 2014, 12:39:10 PM
Having just watched the first few episodes of Superfiend, I must admit I love it. I was really, REALLY worried when the first footage was released that it was going to be a steaming pile of poop, but this is actually rather good! Funny, gory, and very entertaining.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Stan 27 October, 2014, 12:48:47 PM
How did you watch those?
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Goaty 27 October, 2014, 01:07:57 PM
Ep 1!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMEeVPAsox8&list=PLIEIzxlknp8ozNEJ4bYD4lYt4skpfqFmh (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMEeVPAsox8&list=PLIEIzxlknp8ozNEJ4bYD4lYt4skpfqFmh)
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Richmond Clements 27 October, 2014, 01:11:47 PM
Just watched it all... well I don't think there's any point in saying much. I'll say that it lived up to expectations, and appears like the writers got their knowledge of Dredd from Wikipedia.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Ghost MacRoth 27 October, 2014, 01:23:37 PM
^That, plus terrible music.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: -Dunk!- 27 October, 2014, 02:07:55 PM
Oof.

Dunk!
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Bubba Zebill 27 October, 2014, 02:19:10 PM
Storywise it's a mash up...or Deadworld has Deadworld Dredd / Angel Gang doppelgängers etc...but anyway. That was fun. I had a few genuine laughs out loud too.

If I'd turned on MTV in the mid-nineties and this was rolling as some music video I'd have loved it. But yes, it makes no attempt at continuity -of any kind- that's why it should be seen as some kind of celebration of the characters. A crazy mash up, a fun nightmare...It's wack.

: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Bubba Zebill 27 October, 2014, 02:21:43 PM
It was cool.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Steve Green 27 October, 2014, 02:26:15 PM
Storywise it's a mash up...or Deadworld has Deadworld Dredd / Angel Gang doppelgängers etc...but anyway. That was fun. I had a few genuine laughs out loud too.

If I'd turned on MTV in the mid-nineties and this was rolling as some music video I'd have loved it. But yes, it makes no attempt at continuity -of any kind- that's why it should be seen as some kind of celebration of the characters. A crazy mash up, a fun nightmare...It's wack.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wack&page=2 (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wack&page=2)
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: DaveGYNWA 27 October, 2014, 02:26:29 PM
Ah Vienna! :D
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: -Dunk!- 27 October, 2014, 02:41:07 PM
It's wack.

Get out! :)

Dunk!
: Re: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Dominic O'Rourke 27 October, 2014, 02:48:43 PM
I enjoyed that.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Fungus 27 October, 2014, 03:10:27 PM
Much better than expected, lots of effort went into that... Nice.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: blackmocco 27 October, 2014, 03:53:37 PM
They couldn't get McMahon's name right in the credits. That's just great. Shows the attention to detail right across the board.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Bolt-01 27 October, 2014, 03:57:28 PM
Well I'm glad I waited and saw it before I commented. Some bits I liked, but overall that was poor. The amount of plot on show was negligible where given the amount of time available there could have been a cracking little tale.

Must try harder.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: locustsofdeath! 27 October, 2014, 04:19:27 PM
The style of the animation bothered me.

Not because it was poor, but because it was completely riffed from the old Tim Burton/Amazing Stories "Family Dog" episode so closely that parts may have been lifted right from that cartoon (Death's teeth grinding is exactly like that of the dog trainer in FD).

Overall, I did not enjoy it - but I'm still shocked at the anger and bitterness (not naming names) that's being spewed over it. I just can't imagine being so mad over something like a cartoon.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Bubba Zebill 27 October, 2014, 04:44:09 PM


http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wack&page=2 (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wack&page=2)
[/quote]

 :-[ Can I just add a 'Y' to that? I fear I may have exposed yet another gap in my understanding of human affairs and in particular my knowledge of the street vernacular of younger beings who etc etc etc (auld yin).
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Bubba Zebill 27 October, 2014, 04:58:20 PM
Not getting Mick McMahon (who I seem to recall even the prog credited as 'MacMahon' more than once circa Judge Child...I could be wrong) is not acceptable. Definite black mark.

It's not what I would have done, I would have tended to something shorter that fit with the timeline and was in character and visceral and,,,, it was by no means the kind of exciting work that feels like you are seeing the stories coming alive (like Judge Minty) or the film.

It is off track in terms trying to show what's great in JD. Maybe people are pissed because they see this as critical time and anything that misses the mark isn't helping the campaign for a sequel.

But I'd say there's room for some goofing around, experiments, mistakes and fun. Personally I didn't like the whole Sydney death storyline...Death dead on Deadworld was the be all and end for me. Good things have come since. But young Death?...dear god no...but others love it, there's has to be room for all these directions. An open mind...especially for the free thing and then move on. Now, about Dredd2...
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Misanthrope 27 October, 2014, 04:59:31 PM
Yeah...that was a bit shit, actually.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Steve Green 27 October, 2014, 05:13:25 PM
But I'd say there's room for some goofing around, experiments, mistakes and fun.

If Dredd was a global juggernaut, maybe - but I can see the argument of being cautious when it's the Stallone film that got a lot of the blame for the box-office failure of the 2012 version.

Having someone linked to the 2012 version, dismissing talk of a sequel with 'There's no fucking script' but being vague as to what he's got on his mind for his project... just seems to muddy the waters really.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Steve Green 27 October, 2014, 05:17:34 PM
It's also a little odd that this has been leaked in one go, and is not on his list of videos publicly.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Pete Wells 27 October, 2014, 05:46:59 PM
Well, it was silly and didn't make a great deal of sense but I quite enjoyed it.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Rusty 27 October, 2014, 06:02:30 PM
But I'd say there's room for some goofing around, experiments, mistakes and fun.

If Dredd was a global juggernaut, maybe - but I can see the argument of being cautious when it's the Stallone film that got a lot of the blame for the box-office failure of the 2012 version.

Having someone linked to the 2012 version, dismissing talk of a sequel with 'There's no fucking script' but being vague as to what he's got on his mind for his project... just seems to muddy the waters really.
Exactly what I was thinking. Being a avid fan of the comic and the recent film, I'm not really sure what message this was supposed to convey to those who basically just liked the 2012 film without being familiar to the cannon of the source material. Watching this confused me enough as it is. It was a little bit too casual and childish in tone for my liking. If you're linked to the making of the recent film, why go completely in the opposite direction with your next project based on the same material if what you want to do is give it more publicity for a possible sequel? I just don't get it. I also don't buy the "made for fans" mantra either. If it was, it certainly isn't the idea I had in mind for Death, style or story wise.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Tiplodocus 27 October, 2014, 06:06:27 PM
Yeah. That actually looks like it might be a bit of a laugh.

Turns out I was wrong. I gave it ten minutes, and didn't laugh so I'm guessing this isn't my cup of tea.

Ah well, never mind.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: TordelBack 27 October, 2014, 06:21:28 PM
If this had been a board Advent Calendar entry I would have loudly applauded the effort.  As it is, apart from a few grins early on, it was pretty disappointing, mainly because the treatment of the source material seemed completely superficial (rather than comical or knowing), and rather... wasteful.

I quite liked the style of animation itself once it got going, the Mrs. Gunderson cameo was fun and Judge Sydney had a certain charm, but I had basically lost heart by the time Mean's head exploded and never really got back on board.  Ah well, I hope some other (less invested) folk enjoyed it more.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: JOE SOAP 27 October, 2014, 06:26:50 PM


Here's an interview with the Junquera borthers (http://ie.ign.com/articles/2014/10/27/watch-the-entire-judge-dredd-animated-series-now?abthid=544e84f40aebeac350000012).




: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: blackmocco 27 October, 2014, 06:48:12 PM
Well, here's half the problem:

"Luis: We are Spanish, and although Carlos Ezquerra, one of the creators of Judge Dredd, is Spanish too the truth is that in this country it was extremely difficult to buy any comic of the character. I liked Adi Shankar's movie, and I had a vague memory of Stallone's, but that was everything I knew about the character. When Adi proposed we adapt the Boyhood of a Superfiend comic book, we started to buy imported Judge Dredd comics.

Enol Juniquera: My earliest personal memory of Judge Dredd was watching Stallone's movie on the sofa. I was five or six years old. In 2012, I started to notice a lot of people talking about the new Dredd movie. So I went to the cinema and enjoyed it. I loved Karl Urban's angry face -- he did a great job. After watching it I started imitating him -- until I had to go to the doctor because I felt a muscle pain in my face. It's a true and ridiculous story."
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: blackmocco 27 October, 2014, 06:53:03 PM
And here's the other half of the problem:

Luis: "We were three people working for almost 20 months, doing a 30-minute animated movie -- without earning money, without talking about it with anyone."
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Bubba Zebill 27 October, 2014, 06:56:32 PM
But I'd say there's room for some goofing around, experiments, mistakes and fun.

If Dredd was a global juggernaut, maybe - but I can see the argument of being cautious when it's the Stallone film that got a lot of the blame for the box-office failure of the 2012 version.

Having someone linked to the 2012 version, dismissing talk of a sequel with 'There's no fucking script' but being vague as to what he's got on his mind for his project... just seems to muddy the waters really.

I can totally see that, it may make people nervous, muddy the waters. I really hold what Wagner and Grant have done with Dredd over the years in the highest esteem, I'm an evangelist, have been forever. So I'm surprising even myself here by being amused and supportive of this project. But I don't think it can be compared to the 1st Dredd film. That was a mega budget film that made huge noise about something that was just pish - on all levels frankly. But I have some sympathy with that project too, I hadn't read the comics in a few years, hated the film, later saw what was being published around that time and realised that the source material wasn't much better. The prog improved and it's been great again for a long time. But what this guy Shankar is doing can't possibly soil Dredd to the extent that the first film did...or the awful stuff (I think) that was being published in 2000AD then was doing to Dredd, it was its own worst enemy IMO. OK, It would be a miracle if any publication could have a perfect run for 40 years, so I'm not knocking it, it happens. But Dredd and 2000AD have, probably, never been stronger. It can take this iteration. It was nuts....I actually laughed when that guy died and death grinned. I didn't expect to, and in no way does this fit with Dredd as I like it. But it was fun, it was silly...it was mental...dare I say it...it was wack(y) :)
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Jimmy Baker's Assistant 27 October, 2014, 08:16:32 PM
I thought it was surprisingly okay, if you ignore the total disregard for tone and content of actual Judge Dredd.

Oh, and "Starring by" indeed.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Beeks 27 October, 2014, 08:22:29 PM
Well I liked it..so there

It was a tongue in cheek bit of fun

Who cares if it isn't a true representation..even if you didn't like it..it certainly wasn't ameteurish

Nor will it hurt the brand IMO

It didn't make me laugh but it definitely made me smile

It's not Dredd in the way we commonly know him

But neither was the latest film adaptation..God..the criticism of that lawmaster

At the end of the day it was a freebie that folks spent a lot of time working on without reward

I for one am grateful..so if you're reading this..thanks guys
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Beeks 27 October, 2014, 08:23:52 PM
*amateurish
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Judge Nutmeg 27 October, 2014, 09:54:57 PM
It was ok, Doubt I'd ever feel  the urge to watch it again. Although it did make me wish there was more animated Dredd out there more faithful to the comics.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: CrazyFoxMachine 27 October, 2014, 10:10:15 PM
Now I know how LOTR fans in 1980 felt about musical orks (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdXQJS3Yv0Y).

Tone-deaf and ludicrously rushed - not terrible but not right at all. If this is a thank you to the fans I'd hate to see the opposite :S
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Albion 27 October, 2014, 10:14:05 PM
I enjoyed it. I liked the animation and most of the voice acting and it was fun to watch. There was stuff that could've been done better but overall it was good.
It's not the Dredd we know and love and it's not all true to the comics but hey neither were the movies.
I view it as totally separate from 2000AD and it doesn't spoil what I have been enjoying since the '70s.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Beeks 27 October, 2014, 10:17:24 PM
Oh and Death reminds me of Edna from Willo The Wisp ;-)
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Dark Jimbo 27 October, 2014, 10:20:51 PM
Oh and Death reminds me of Edna from Willo The Wisp ;-)

 :lol:

I was trying to place it... that's it!
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Mark Taylor 27 October, 2014, 10:27:33 PM
This kinda reminded me of Heavy Metal Dredd in terms of the sheer anarchic nonsense going on in it. Obviously it's not 'Judge Dredd as we know it', but neither is HMD. It's just another reinvention of the Character, something which happens to mainstream American comic book characters every 3 minutes. Rebellion has been pushing so hard for acceptance of Judge Dredd by American audiences it's kinda inevitable that this sort of thing should start happening more and more. We have 2000AD Dredd, Stallone Dredd, Lawman of the Future Dredd, Heavy Metal Dredd, and now Urban Dredd, IDW Dredd, and Shankar 'Bootleg Universe' Dredd... Inevitably, every new iteration will be liked by some and piss others off, in varying measure.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: DrRocka 27 October, 2014, 10:57:43 PM
I was kinda enjoying it until it got to the Vienna bit, when it crossed whatever imaginary line is in my head and had me shaking my head far too much. In the thirty or so years I've read 2000ad, this isn't what I'd ever imagine a Dredd cartoon to be. Still, one man's meat, etc etc...
: Re: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Dominic O'Rourke 27 October, 2014, 11:18:45 PM
This kinda reminded me of Heavy Metal Dredd

Exactly! Another take on the universe. I mean if it's not Wagner it's not canon AMIRIGHT?
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: locustsofdeath! 27 October, 2014, 11:31:49 PM
Now I know how LOTR fans in 1980 felt about musical orks (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdXQJS3Yv0Y).


HEY! I liked "When There's a Whip There's a Way"!
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: dweezil2 27 October, 2014, 11:32:25 PM
Relentlessly bonkers, I really didn't mind it all!
Dredd, but not quite as we know it Jim!   :)
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: dweezil2 27 October, 2014, 11:35:40 PM
Relentlessly bonkers, I really didn't mind it all!
Dredd, but not quite as we know it Jim!   :)



Relentlessly bonkers, I really didn't mind it at all!
Dredd, but not quite as we know it Jim!   
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Kudos 27 October, 2014, 11:42:17 PM
Hmmm, I don't know. I really don't know. It was an interesting experiment I suppose. I enjoyed it far more than I thought I would. When I saw the trailer I was really put off by the art but it wasn't as bad as I feared when it got going. Sure, it's not the Dredd I know and love and my Dredd canon alarm went off quite a lot, but like I said "An interesting experiment" and as others have said in this thread there's plenty of room for other Dredd interpretations.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Rusty 27 October, 2014, 11:55:48 PM
There were a couple of things that were a bit silly, even though almost everything about the cartoon was silly in itself, but the Lawgiver rocket function jetting Dredd off at 1000mph and the fat judge on the Lawmaster at the start was just a bit daft regardless of what context you try to place them in.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: mimikeke 28 October, 2014, 12:06:51 AM
Luis: There was a moment where I proposed we include an Alien in the story, and he said to me, politely, "Luis, I don't think that's a good idea," and thank goodness he did. Seriously, he suggested we make a Judge Death movie, and he gave us great feedback. Since then, he never got tired of repeating, "You've got complete freedom. I trust you." It has been a pleasure working with him and his team.

I think if we're going all out and don't have a lot of room to tell a story, I would have been up for this.  But then you're stepping on 2 sets of toes....  :)
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Bat King 28 October, 2014, 12:42:38 AM
OK I've written my review.

Overall I liked this cartoon but it wasn't perfect. I didn't like the use of the Angel Gang or Rico very much. Though how the dream sequence of Death and Vienna got a few more bits of Boyhood of a Superfiend in was good.

The style of animation suited the story. The tone of the story wasn't really too far off the tome of Boyhood of a Superfiend.

My full review (http://judgetutorsemple.wordpress.com/2014/10/28/judge-dredd-superfiend-a-judge-death-animated-series-embeded-spoiler-light/)
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Colin YNWA 28 October, 2014, 08:35:09 AM
This kinda reminded me of Heavy Metal Dredd in terms of the sheer anarchic nonsense going on in it.

Beat me to it. Didn't like Heavy Metal Dredd either.

I've kept my counsel on this as I'm becoming less and less interested in film and telly adaptions of comics and this is another example of why. Its completely cool that people want to re-imagine stuff and interrupt a story or character for a different audience. The thing is if you have a lot invested in the original its always at risk of leaving you cold and this one certainly did.

While it was a shame that the movie (2012) didn't have space for more overt satire that is so rich in the comic, this took it too far and nose dived into farce, complete farce and not the good kind.

Still when animated the art looked much better, at times and the visuals had their moments. As did the story, but alas it was just moments. Over all just not the Dredd, or indeed Death for me.

Still hope that as many of the folks - who invested so much hope into this as possible - enjoyed it.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Judge Brian 28 October, 2014, 01:40:09 PM
I guess the IDW Dredd isn't as bad as it could get.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Bat King 28 October, 2014, 01:57:09 PM
Until the last 2 issues IDW's Dark Judges issues have been horrendous.  This is better than those.

Throwing Cal in to the mix with Judge Death and adding a load of truly awful addition Dark Judges... really, really bad.

But that's opinions for you, not everyone had the same ones.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Stan 28 October, 2014, 05:30:21 PM
Funny thing is that I can imagine this feeling less incoherent to non-fans stumbling across it. It's fun and wacky, and the good is often as strong as the bad (the former mostly occurring early on), but the complete disregard for canon is quite jarring/off-putting. But worse than that, it's an inferior retelling overall. I understand there may be difficulties condensing the original origins into a 25+ minute video while not making it feel like a recap, but I'm sure it could be done without requiring the whole thing be thrown in the bin.

That said. While it bothers me that some may take this is as the real origins of Judge Death, I thought they at least portrayed him really well under the circumstances (from childhood onwards). Definitely a thumbs up on that score.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Hap Hazzard 28 October, 2014, 06:49:37 PM
First off, kudos to all involved for the work and effort involved, and for the fact they wanted to say thanks to the Dredd faithful in regards to the support for the movie. Thanks for giving us some more onscreen Dredd, your work was appreciated.

All that said, I was hoping to enjoy it more than I did, the jarring mashups of different Dredd elements, the changes, it didn't fit right for me. I'm glad so many others enjoyed it though and I hope we get more animated Dredd in future - a full length series based on Necropolis could truly be awesome. This just didn't hit the spot for me. Too jokey, too unreal like Dredd's rocket setting on the Lawgiver, too much shoehorned together that didn't make sense - why have Death as a Mega-City Judge to begin with for example, when it would've been cooler to have him still come from his own dimension and show all that to begin?
One element that stuck out in my head as something great, a little detail, was the police lighting built into the Lawmasters wheels. For some reason that struck me as very cool.

So I'm grateful for the work that was put into it, and I hope it inspires others to come up with more onscreen Dredd.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Hawkmumbler 28 October, 2014, 07:02:15 PM
Glad I didn't comment too much before the release. Because that was a bit bad.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: TordelBack 28 October, 2014, 07:05:25 PM
While it bothers me that some may take this is as the real origins of Judge Death, I thought they at least portrayed him really well under the circumstances (from childhood onwards). Definitely a thumbs up on that score.

Yup, the Death stuff was the best bit.  It was the rest (Angel Gang, Rico and yup, Dredd) that didn't work for me at all.  I quite liked Judge Sydney, as well as Phobia and Nausea
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Dark Jimbo 28 October, 2014, 08:22:56 PM
While it bothers me that some may take this is as the real origins of Judge Death, I thought they at least portrayed him really well under the circumstances (from childhood onwards). Definitely a thumbs up on that score.

Yup, the Death stuff was the best bit.  It was the rest (Angel Gang, Rico and yup, Dredd) that didn't work for me at all.  I quite liked Judge Sydney, as well as Phobia and Nausea

Aye, Death himself is actually really well handled. Dredd comes out of it quite well too, and I could ignore the Angels as some alt-verse version of the characters. For me the wheels came off when the Rico/Vienna elements got introudced; they really didn't fit with Death's story and just muddled things completely.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: DaveGYNWA 28 October, 2014, 08:43:13 PM
Aye, Death himself is actually really well handled. Dredd comes out of it quite well too, and I could ignore the Angels as some alt-verse version of the characters. For me the wheels came off when the Rico/Vienna elements got introudced; they really didn't fit with Death's story and just muddled things completely.

Yep, that's me. Rico/Vienna just didn't fit in there - but the "Ah Vienna" did get a chuckle from me.

My main problem with the whole thing is probably a stupid thing - Judge Sidney or Judge Syd? Badge on left or badge on right? Gun in left hand or gun in right hand, perp in the opposite hand? Head on the right turntable (as you look at it) then goes to the other turntable when viewed from the other side? I found myself keeping an eye out for things like that as I went through the episodes....and they annoy the hell out of me :D

Valiant effort, some good bits, some bad bits - but falls short for me.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Mardroid 28 October, 2014, 09:09:19 PM
Silly. Strays from the original stories a lot....

....I really enjoyed it.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Fisticuffs 28 October, 2014, 09:49:31 PM
What a bunch of grumpy old bastards. Enjoy it for what it is! It's getting a good reception elsewhere (I watched it when Adi Shankar posted it to Reddit early) and anything to keep people thinking about Dredd is ultimately a good thing, right?
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Richmond Clements 28 October, 2014, 09:58:10 PM
Enjoy it for what it is!

Well, I don't enjoy any other half-baked, badly written and poorly executed shit, so see no reason to enjoy this either.

It's getting a good reception elsewhere

http://www.theguardian.com/culture/2014/oct/25/populist-the-guide
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Ghost MacRoth 28 October, 2014, 10:07:17 PM
But it's Dredd Richmond.....you MUST like it, become....one of us, one of us, one of us!!!!!

Those who dislike it seem happy enough that others enjoyed it, why can't those who enjoyed it accept that others disliked it?
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: The Sherman Kid 28 October, 2014, 10:21:46 PM
Sorry but that was all kinds of awful.

Why spend all that time and not remotely research what they are promoting (they have Amazon in Spain don't they?). A mish-mash is one thing but this was just plain gibberish.

People will get annoyed because, in this case, it does imho subtract a little from Dredd as a property. Why represent it like this?
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Mark Taylor 28 October, 2014, 11:45:52 PM
But it's Dredd Richmond.....you MUST like it, become....one of us, one of us, one of us!!!!!

Those who dislike it seem happy enough that others enjoyed it, why can't those who enjoyed it accept that others disliked it?

No problem with folks disliking it here. My only point was that if Dredd the character continues to grow in popularity (a good thing, most would agree) it will very likely come with the side effect that the number of different reinterpretations of the character and non-canon versions of the setting out there will continue to grow. So it's probably a good idea to be prepared for a whole lot more stuff not all of us will necessarily like.

Personally I'm okay with most versions, with the exception of Stallone '95 and the dire 'Lawman of the Future' spin-off. Even the IDW stuff I can handle, though it has some irritating flaws. Those new dark judges were probably the worst bit so far. They're pretty silly and pointless. The fact that the writer feels the need to explain each of their functions in the dark judges' setup in order to justify their existence only underlines how pointless they actually are.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Bat King 28 October, 2014, 11:56:57 PM
LOL Folk not liking this is less of a wind up to me than folk liking the Stallone film...

Actually I'm not surprised some folk don't like this cartoon. It wasn't ever going to get full support. I'm not 100% thrilled, said so in my review and I am usually very positive about everything I review (I do it for fun so only review things I like).

I like it about 75%, which for me is enough. Already watched it twice in full. Won't ever watch it as much as Minty or Dredd (2012) though lol.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Ghost MacRoth 29 October, 2014, 12:17:35 AM
Those new dark judges were probably the worst bit so far. They're pretty silly and pointless. The fact that the writer feels the need to explain each of their functions in the dark judges' setup in order to justify their existence only underlines how pointless they actually are.

Won't hear any argument from me on that one! ;)

But much as I disliked the 95 film, and am unimpressed by the IDW stuff (MC2:COC drawing with the multi dark judges for lack of quality) I'm less impressed still by that animation.  For a couple of years work, with the backing of Shankar (and yes, I know, there was no financial backing) I really expected something.....better.  Coherent would have done even, but what we got was......well....crap. 

Still, he did say in the intro, he was going for an early 90's MTV feel, so congrats there, mission accomplished, it did come across like that (I wasn't a fan of that either!), and the Saturday morning cartoon thing....yeah, I guess I can see a bit of that going on, so well done again. 

However what I really don't get is why you would promote something as a Dredd world project (and again, yes, I know he said it was more about Death, but Death is an element within the Dredd-verse), using popular elements of that world, but in such a way that who, or what, they were was made more or less irrelevant by ignoring their established character traits, as well as what they mean to 'the fans' this project was supposed to be for???? 

But hey, as said before, horses for courses, to each their own and all that. ;)
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Muon 29 October, 2014, 12:21:42 AM
I quite enjoyed that Superfiend thing. Very silly and mixed up, but it had a lot of black humour that made me smile a couple of times. The "glove puppet" bit cracked me up.

Someone likened this to a parody and that's how I see it. It reminds me of parodies of movies you might see on The Simpsons or Family Guy.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: shaolin_monkey 29 October, 2014, 01:01:07 AM
Well, it's there now, so regardless of the ambivalence towards it we just have to deal with it. It is what is.

One way might be to introduce anyone who has seen it to Case Files 5. That's my plan of action anyway.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: TordelBack 29 October, 2014, 07:04:36 AM
My only point was that if Dredd the character continues to grow in popularity (a good thing, most would agree) it will very likely come with the side effect that the number of different reinterpretations of the character and non-canon versions of the setting out there will continue to grow. So it's probably a good idea to be prepared for a whole lot more stuff not all of us will necessarily like.

This is a very good point, well made.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Theblazeuk 29 October, 2014, 02:46:27 PM
I really enjoyed it.

You lot are thrill-suckers  ;)
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: blackmocco 29 October, 2014, 04:20:20 PM
As part of a different animated Dredd fan-film project currently being put together, I guess I have to be careful what I say here. I don't want to bag too much on the quality of this. It is what it is - three people working for free with no budget. We have the same budgetary constraints as they do so we're facing the same challenges. Thankfully for us, we're not trying to hammer out an entire half an hour. Animation is, by its nature, expensive and time-consuming, particularly if you want it to be of a high quality so for our own sanity, ours will be far shorter.

Yes, it's fine and grand to say "it's just a bit of fun. It's not the Dredd from the comics, etc." but at this point, 2000AD/Rebellion needs to think about exercising some editorial control over some of this stuff. The quality's not so much the issue (although for me personally, it is) but how Dredd and 2000AD are perceived by people that don't know much about them, particularly here in the US.

I work on Family Guy, I'm here in Los Angeles, my unhealthy obsession with the character and 2000AD is pretty well known around these parts so it was with some concern that many people who work here sent me these links with the general comment that they didn't realize this is what Dredd was like and a general confusion as to how this ties in with the 2012 movie, both in story and tone. It's an old argument but most people here associate Dredd with the Stallone movie. They know it's based on a British comic but most of those people have never read it. The 2012 movie did a lot of good in addressing that but people generally had to be coerced into seeing it, with the brain-scalding memory of the 1995 version as a turn-off. (For what it's worth, I don't blame the marketing of the movie for it's box-office failure here in the US - although I accept it was done badly - but more the fact that the general public is tired of hearing about stuff being remade and rebooted and Dredd's name is associated with a bad Stallone action flick. The feeling was "how bad must things be in Hollywood when they're even remaking that crap?" To call it an uphill struggle would be something of an understatement.)

In any case, Rebellion have done a fantastic job getting 2000AD related product in front of people's noses. There's barely a comic/book store here without something representing the comic over here and if that doesn't sound like a big deal, ten years ago you could not find a fucking scrap of 2000AD here in Los Angeles beyond very specialist comic stores that charged exorbitant prices. The 2012 movie is finally getting discovered at home by an audience, and there's the chance to create some real momentum for these characters in the public's eye.

This short was the next high-profile event - whether by 2000AD's official hand or not - and in my opinion, is two steps backwards. Having your project featured as an Entertainment Weekly exclusive is no small feat in this town. It's about as high profile as it gets and you better have something that lives up to the hype. This fails in every regard. A fun fan film? Yes, absolutely and if that's all it was being judged on, no harm done but this is a high profile, much-hyped "labor of love" offshoot from one of the 2012 movie's producers being trumpeted from the US's most read entertainment rag.

Time will tell whether it really has any negative impact but generally speaking, Dredd has had to work extremely hard at being taken seriously over here and just as he's starting get a foothold, and with all this talk of sequels to the 2012 movie, with all due respect to the artists who toiled - FOR FUCKING FREE!!! - to get this done for Shankar, this should NOT have been what was presented next.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Steve Green 29 October, 2014, 04:38:17 PM
Having worked on a fan film, and steered clear of commenting on any others, since it's none of my business... I will say this.

There are two aspects as far as I'm concerned, the actual tone of it is one thing, but how it all came about is another.

Nothing operates in isolation, having an exec producer pushing himself forward as 'the voice of the production', then getting 3 guys working for nothing for 20 months doesn't sit well with me.

I think it's one thing for people who are are broadly on the same level to ask for a few days here and there for a fan film, another for a 'name' producer to ask 3 people to commit to that amount of work.

I'm sure they're adult enough to know what they were getting themselves into, but it smacks a little too much of 'doing it for exposure'

I don't imagine it was a great position to be put in for Rebellion either.

Seeing how secretive this project was, if they'd killed it early on they could have been painted as 'the company who killed a Dirty Laundry style Dredd - don't you want a sequel???', since that's what people were imagining it to be, and nothing was said by Adi Shankar to contradict it.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: blackmocco 29 October, 2014, 04:42:44 PM
Nothing operates in isolation, having an exec producer pushing himself forward as 'the voice of the production', then getting 3 guys working for nothing for 20 months doesn't sit well with me.

I think it's one thing for people who are are broadly on the same level to ask for a few days here and there for a fan film, another for a 'name' producer to ask 3 people to commit to that amount of work.

I'm sure they're adult enough to know what they were getting themselves into, but it smacks a little too much of 'doing it for exposure'.

A subject I didn't even want to broach for fear my rage reactors would go into core meltdown, Steve. It's absolutely disgusting. "Yeah, I can't pay you but just think of all the work you'll get after people see this and man, you get to work on JUDGE DREDD! How awesome is that?"

No joke, I get an e-mail like this maybe once every two months.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Steve Green 29 October, 2014, 04:52:34 PM
Well, I can only go by what they've said - I don't know what the exact deal was, it certainly feels like it was one of these exposure things.

Luckily I don't get much of that - apart from one person asking for freebies after our thing came out, like I make a habit of doing it for every Tom, Dick and Harry.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: GordonR 29 October, 2014, 04:59:05 PM
Yes, the old "it'll be great exposure for you" line.

A word of advice for anyone doing anything creative, especially in a freelance capacity.  Whenever you hear those words, just walk away from whoever's saying them and whatever the job being offered is.  The person asking you to work for free is probably a bullshitter and a piss artist, and if they have the money to pay you, then that probably becomes a definitely.  You're being exploited, pure and simple.

On an entirely unrelated note, Adi Shankar doesn't strike me as a young man short of a bob or two.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: blackmocco 29 October, 2014, 05:05:57 PM
Yes, the old "it'll be great exposure for you" line.

A word of advice for anyone doing anything creative, especially in a freelance capacity.  Whenever you hear those words, just walk away from whoever's saying them and whatever the job being offered is.  The person asking you to work for free is probably a bullshitter and a piss artist, and if they have the money to pay you, then that probably becomes a definitely.  You're being exploited, pure and simple.

This.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Jim_Campbell 29 October, 2014, 05:19:15 PM
On an entirely unrelated note, Adi Shankar doesn't strike me as a young man short of a bob or two.

Eyeliner isn't free, you know…

Cheers

Jim
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Steve Green 29 October, 2014, 05:23:57 PM
I don't know if it's a hard and fast rule as that - just to go in with both eyes open and know what you're getting yourself into.

I think a lot of it depends on how collaborative it is, and the balance of how much work is being done by the various parties, and how wealthy they are.

We certainly had people giving their time for free on Minty, but hopefully no-one begrudged us that, and we're not exactly driving around in solid-gold Rollers.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: TordelBack 29 October, 2014, 05:24:38 PM
Eyeliner isn't free, you know…

And when an ageing goth says that, you better believe it.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Hawkmumbler 29 October, 2014, 05:25:24 PM
On an entirely unrelated note, Adi Shankar doesn't strike me as a young man short of a bob or two.

Eyeliner isn't free, you know…

Cheers

Jim
Speeking from experience Jim?
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: The Sherman Kid 29 October, 2014, 05:39:10 PM
Blackmocco and Steve Green both nail it for me. :thumbsup:
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Jim_Campbell 29 October, 2014, 05:49:09 PM
Speeking from experience Jim?

I have to say, I was never an eyeliner goth… never even painted my nails black!

Cheers

Jim
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Mark Taylor 29 October, 2014, 05:55:34 PM
Speeking from experience Jim?

I have to say, I was never an eyeliner goth… never even painted my nails black!

Cheers

Jim

Once got my foot run over by a car. Result: one foot with all black toenails (and a slight limp). On the plus side, it's cheaper than nail varnish. On the downside, it's much, much more painful.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Hawkmumbler 29 October, 2014, 05:57:39 PM
Speeking from experience Jim?

I have to say, I was never an eyeliner goth… never even painted my nails black!

Cheers

Jim
Oh. I see. You where a pastel goth then?






 :P
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Mark Taylor 29 October, 2014, 06:26:26 PM
Oh. I see. You where a pastel goth then?

Don't mock. You might well bring down the wrath of the Pastel Goths.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Jim_Campbell 29 October, 2014, 07:23:17 PM
Oh. I see. You where a pastel goth then?

Odd as it may seem from the outside of any subculture, from the inside the subdivisions are very obvious… in exactly the same way that an Alien Sex Fiend punk could tell the difference from a Skate Punk, who could tell the difference from a Straight Edge (where most non-punks would just see "punks"*), goths could tell the difference between Alien Sex Fiend goths, Sisters goths, Mission goths, and Nephilim goths… of which I was generally the latter, albeit minus the light dusting Home Pride self-raising, which always seemed to be asking for trouble in a climate as prone to rain as the UK…

Cheers

Jim



*Or, possibly, creeps.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Hawkmumbler 29 October, 2014, 07:30:21 PM
I was pulling your leg Jim, but to my surprise that turned out to be a good thing. If anything positive came of this whole naff project I at least learned that the punk movement was much more broad a spectrum than I assumed it was.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Teivion 29 October, 2014, 07:53:13 PM
I don't know if it's a hard and fast rule as that - just to go in with both eyes open and know what you're getting yourself into.

I think a lot of it depends on how collaborative it is, and the balance of how much work is being done by the various parties, and how wealthy they are.

We certainly had people giving their time for free on Minty, but hopefully no-one begrudged us that, and we're not exactly driving around in solid-gold Rollers.

On my first job as a sole trader I worked on a shoot alongside an established SFX company.
Words of wisdom I was given by the company owner hold true- Never undercharge because as soon as you put your prices back up they'll go elsewhere, and if they dont talk money, they haven't got it.

I dont think anyone worked on Minty for exposure- more for the genuine pleasure of being a part of something they had a desire to see completed.
It wasn't created by personal desires for self promotion or gaining soundbites either....

It does seem like the wrong person is taking the credit for a huge amount of work, of which it would appear they had little hand in, and for reasons that dont really add up.

: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Albion 29 October, 2014, 08:04:15 PM
......why can't those who enjoyed it accept that others disliked it?

Some of us do. 
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Steve Green 29 October, 2014, 08:07:00 PM
I can only speak for myself, and that it was to do something with live-action, rather than all being CG and actually being part of something bigger rather than a self-contained showreel piece.

And curiosity to see what could be done with consumer cameras, and little in the way of budget.

Also at the time, the 2012 Dredd wasn't even public knowledge, so it was a chance to do something Dreddish other than just the Stallone film.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Ghost MacRoth 29 October, 2014, 08:23:13 PM
......why can't those who enjoyed it accept that others disliked it?

Some of us do.

Well good on ya then sir! ;)
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: TordelBack 29 October, 2014, 08:23:53 PM
There is an important difference - in all lines of work - between volunteering your time because you simply enjoy the work or think the project is worthwhile in and of itself, and volunteering because you think it will help your career (the latter being essentially an unpaid internship, and just as varied unreliable as that suggests).
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Steve Green 29 October, 2014, 08:33:20 PM
Yeah, if you're already established, as an editor, sound guy, vfx guy, composer then these sort of things can be a bit of a relief from corporate stuff.

It's still not an ideal arrangement though, because there's always the worry that 'you're getting this for free' card might be whipped out, in an ideal world everyone would be paid properly for their time.

But that's never going to happen with a fan film, unless it's a lottery winner wanting to burn a few quid.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Bat King 29 October, 2014, 10:50:56 PM
If I win the lottery that'd be me offering some up ;)
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: James 29 October, 2014, 10:55:11 PM
Best bit about that was the homage to prog 89's cover in the last episode.

The rest I can forget about quite happily.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Bat King 29 October, 2014, 11:15:44 PM
The more I think over blackmoco's big post about how it is seen to 'outsiders' in USA... yeah I can see the concern.

If this was just from the Junquera Brothers it'd be very different to being from Adi Shankar.

I still 75% like it. But I concede to the issues about 'blurred lines'.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: blackmocco 29 October, 2014, 11:18:59 PM
I rest my case:

"One of the most interesting things about this shoestring affair is how it straddles the line between fan work and official product. The series is technically a fan production as it is not endorsed by Rebellion, Judge Dredd’s copyright holders. However, it was co-created by Adi Shankar, executive producer of the 2012 Dredd film; the miniseries was in part a response to a fan petition calling for a sequel to this movie."

http://www.cartoonbrew.com/internet-television/new-judge-dredd-series-blurs-line-between-fan-films-and-official-releases-105115.html
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Bat King 30 October, 2014, 12:11:27 AM
Yeah, that article is what made me put 'blurred lines' in my last comment.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: ABCwarBOT 30 October, 2014, 02:04:57 AM
I've seen the first 3 episodes so far and don't really know what to say about it.   In one way it's pretty naff and flat but in another way it's entertaining as some sort of wacky experiment (in some ways anyway).   

: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Spaceghost 30 October, 2014, 08:27:55 AM
Well, after all my pre-viewing defensive remarks I've now actually watched the first 2 episodes and, yes, it's pretty poor.

I don't know if I'll ever get around to watching the rest of it. I certainly don't feel the need to do so based on what I've seen so far. I don't mind the 'cartoony' style, or the wacky humour, it's just so far removed from what I think Judge Dredd should be.

Also, various comments from Blackmocco and others ring true regarding how much damage it could potentially do to what is, to all intents and purposes, a fledgling property in the US, and that leaves a sour taste in the mouth.

Please continue to call it a big pile of fucking shit with my full blessings.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: -Dunk!- 30 October, 2014, 08:58:24 AM
Well I now think it's aces, and ya boo hiss to the over entitled naysayer ninnies.

Troll! erm...I mean Dunk!
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Theblazeuk 30 October, 2014, 10:42:17 AM
If the Dredd movie had been like that, I would have hated it.

But then I don't think Truth in Journalism would've worked as a spiderman movie despite being an excellent little bit of Venom.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Steve Green 30 October, 2014, 10:49:05 AM
Strangely Duncan Jones mentioned his Dredd pitch as being a take on Man Bites Dog.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Spaceghost 30 October, 2014, 11:02:26 AM
Strangely Duncan Jones mentioned his Dredd pitch as being a take on Man Bites Dog.

...involving Judge Death and the League of Fatties.

I'd love to live in the parallel universe where that got made.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Steve Green 30 October, 2014, 03:10:43 PM
Another interview.

http://www.fastcocreate.com/3037749/dredd-producer-adi-shankar-on-why-hed-rather-make-bootleg-versions-of-comic-book-properties- (http://www.fastcocreate.com/3037749/dredd-producer-adi-shankar-on-why-hed-rather-make-bootleg-versions-of-comic-book-properties-)
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: Richmond Clements 30 October, 2014, 03:40:25 PM
Another interview.

http://www.fastcocreate.com/3037749/dredd-producer-adi-shankar-on-why-hed-rather-make-bootleg-versions-of-comic-book-properties- (http://www.fastcocreate.com/3037749/dredd-producer-adi-shankar-on-why-hed-rather-make-bootleg-versions-of-comic-book-properties-)

Is it just me or is he a bit of a prick?

Also:

And there’s definitely an appeal to watching a guy who has produced hit movies for major studios spend his free time making Internet-exclusive films and cartoons that will probably piss off the property owners.

Yes, using someone else's property without their permission is hilarious.
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: IndigoPrime 30 October, 2014, 03:40:35 PM
Another interview.

http://www.fastcocreate.com/3037749/dredd-producer-adi-shankar-on-why-hed-rather-make-bootleg-versions-of-comic-book-properties- (http://www.fastcocreate.com/3037749/dredd-producer-adi-shankar-on-why-hed-rather-make-bootleg-versions-of-comic-book-properties-)
Wow. That's a pretty big "fuck you" to Rebellion.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Theblazeuk 30 October, 2014, 03:44:55 PM
The bootleg version of the Punisher is the only one that makes sense though. The rest treat him like a superhero... Garth Ennis got it right. He's a serial killer.

I don't see him as a prick, as long as he wants to keep making these things for free I'm perfectly happy. I don't think his stuff pisses off the property owners either, he's not making money off them. I also don't see a 'fuck you' to Rebellion anywhere in there.
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: Greg M. 30 October, 2014, 03:49:54 PM
Is it just me or is he a bit of a prick?

Put it this way - I read that interview with no particularly strong opinions on the man and his work beforehand, and I came away finding him rather tiresome and obnoxious. But maybe he's lovely in real life.
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: blackmocco 30 October, 2014, 03:53:04 PM
Well, he comes across as a complete narcissist although that description and movie producer usually go together like bread and butter. Dirty Laundry wasn't his idea though. I was always under the impression it was Thomas Jane's thing and Shankar jumped onboard. My ire is reserved for the fact he doesn't mention the poor schmucks who actually made this thing in most of these interviews. Good exposure, indeed.
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: Teivion 30 October, 2014, 03:54:22 PM
The bootleg version of the Punisher is the only one that makes sense though. The rest treat him like a superhero... Garth Ennis got it right. He's a serial killer.

I don't see him as a prick, as long as he wants to keep making these things for free I'm perfectly happy. I don't think his stuff pisses off the property owners either, he's not making money off them. I also don't see a 'fuck you' to Rebellion anywhere in there.

You miss the fact posted and discussed earlier in the thread then that said things arent just revolving around a money issue here- its keeping artistic control over a character that, as with Stallone, if it isnt overseen and policed, can put the character back at least a decade if he's seen in something rubbish...
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: GordonR 30 October, 2014, 04:19:51 PM
I don't see him as a prick, as long as he wants to keep making these things for free I'm perfectly happy. I don't think his stuff pisses off the property owners either, he's not making money off them. I also don't see a 'fuck you' to Rebellion anywhere in there.

If you owned any IPs, and saw someone whose measure of actual talents and skills continues to elude doing what he wanted with your IP, and talking about his 'vision' for your property, you might think differently about that.

As has been pointed out, he doesn't mention the people who actually did the work on the animation.  It's just all about him.  An Adi-Is-Awesome Production.

I've called this a vanity project before.  I've seen absolutely nothing yet to contradict that.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Proudhuff 30 October, 2014, 04:32:55 PM
Did he mention what age he was?
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Richmond Clements 30 October, 2014, 04:34:51 PM
Did he mention what age he was?

He didn't give a fuck.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Steve Green 30 October, 2014, 04:41:18 PM
Somewhere the Apprentice is missing a candidate.
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: Ghost MacRoth 30 October, 2014, 04:52:51 PM
Well, he comes across as a complete narcissist although that description and movie producer usually go together like bread and butter.

And this line..

“It’s all right. I’m 29 years old, I’ve made 10 movies, whatever.”

....is typical of many producers.  YOU made those movies did you?  YOU?  No, the crew make movies, you promote, and make noise ABOUT those movies.  A change of producer would mean no real difference to the artistic value of a decent film, so it doesn't really matter who they are.  Which is unfortunately why just about anyone with a fistful of cash can become a producer.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Theblazeuk 30 October, 2014, 05:27:57 PM
You miss the fact posted and discussed earlier in the thread then that said things arent just revolving around a money issue here- its keeping artistic control over a character that, as with Stallone, if it isnt overseen and policed, can put the character back at least a decade if he's seen in something rubbish...

Did I miss the point where someone with artistic control actually expressed this opinion?

Stallone was licensed so I don't really see how it's a point of comparison other than the woeful lack of anything else on screen from the Big Meg.

I understand your points but its a non-issue until John Wagner, Ezquerra or someone from Rebellion expresses it that way.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Richmond Clements 30 October, 2014, 05:31:33 PM
Did I miss the point where someone with artistic control actually expressed this opinion?

I think the fact that nobody in Rebellion, or any of the creators of Dredd, have not expressed an opinion on this cartoon should tell you all you need to know.
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: Goosegash 30 October, 2014, 05:59:04 PM
I'd be amazed if Rebellion's lawyers haven't issued a Cease and Desist yet. I know they've been extremely  protective when it comes to their IPs before now, so why is this any different?

It's not the same situation as fan films like Judge Minty, or that Slaine movie trailer, which are usually made for the love of it and ultimately respectful of the characters and the creators. This cartoon on the other hand just seems like an arrogant rich kid seizing on a tenuous connection to another project in order to raise his profile, and it treats the franchise like a joke. It does no-one any favours, and isn't going to help the cause of a potential Dredd sequel in the near future.

Also the fact that someone associated(but not creatively) in the last Dredd film is behind it gives it a legitimacy which it almost certainly doesn't deserve.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Steve Green 30 October, 2014, 06:11:33 PM
Well, it would all be speculation since there's been nothing official said.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: blackmocco 30 October, 2014, 06:12:48 PM
You miss the fact posted and discussed earlier in the thread then that said things arent just revolving around a money issue here- its keeping artistic control over a character that, as with Stallone, if it isnt overseen and policed, can put the character back at least a decade if he's seen in something rubbish...

Did I miss the point where someone with artistic control actually expressed this opinion?

Stallone was licensed so I don't really see how it's a point of comparison other than the woeful lack of anything else on screen from the Big Meg.

I understand your points but its a non-issue until John Wagner, Ezquerra or someone from Rebellion expresses it that way.

Make of this what you will, maybe it's just by remarkable coincidence, but we received a (very polite, I might add) communique from the fine folks at 2000AD last week asking us to change the wording of our disclaimer for our animated project so it's very clear indeed none of what we end up with is remotely endorsed or approved by 2000AD or Rebellion. Can't say I blame them.
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: Mark Taylor 30 October, 2014, 07:54:06 PM
Make of this what you will, maybe it's just by remarkable coincidence, but we received a (very polite, I might add) communique from the fine folks at 2000AD last week asking us to change the wording of our disclaimer for our animated project so it's very clear indeed none of what we end up with is remotely endorsed or approved by 2000AD or Rebellion. Can't say I blame them.

And funnily enough, Shankar practically fell over himself in his intro video to make that exact same message regarding his own project very clear indeed, which kinda backs up my feeling, as intimated earlier, that no involvement is not necessarily the same thing as no communication or awareness on Rebellion's part.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Theblazeuk 31 October, 2014, 11:19:27 AM
It was very clear this wasn't endorsed or official Dredd material.

I think everyone is just being a bit precious to be honest... as though this is somehow undermining how excellent the fan created stuff has been, because it's higher profile based on the people involved. Fair enough that you don't like it, but why can't why can't those who didn't enjoy it accept that others liked it? No need to paint it as some kind of insult to the source material.

I think the fact that nobody in Rebellion, or any of the creators of Dredd, have not expressed an opinion on this cartoon should tell you all you need to know.

 :-* Not nobody in rebellion didn't not express no opinion?

Though I imagine there's just a extraneous not in there.



All of this said I think it's a testament to just how bloody good Dredd was since everyone agreed that it's mint :)
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Noisybast 31 October, 2014, 11:29:01 AM
I think it's probably a mistake to make any assumptions on Rebellion's behalf. For my money, it's a bit, er, IDW.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Toni Scandella 02 November, 2014, 01:27:43 PM
It's nice to see the rich standing up for themselves and rebelling against the man, though, by producing movies and being shit at putting eyeliner on.
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: Dudley 02 November, 2014, 06:36:43 PM
Well, he comes across as a complete narcissist although that description and movie producer usually go together like bread and butter.

And this line..

“It’s all right. I’m 29 years old, I’ve made 10 movies, whatever.”

....is typical of many producers.  YOU made those movies did you?  YOU?  No, the crew make movies, you promote, and make noise ABOUT those movies.  A change of producer would mean no real difference to the artistic value of a decent film, so it doesn't really matter who they are.  Which is unfortunately why just about anyone with a fistful of cash can become a producer.

Arf!  I know a couple of producers: they most certainly do make a difference to their projects.  As do most people involved.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Steve Green 02 November, 2014, 06:50:17 PM
I'd say that Andrew MacDonald and Allon Reich were a lot more visible promoting Dredd.

I'd also say that Adi is credited as an exec producer on Dredd and other features which (As I understand it) is a different role, more to do with finance.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Ghost MacRoth 02 November, 2014, 06:58:14 PM
:)
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: JOE SOAP 02 November, 2014, 10:13:14 PM
I'd say that Andrew MacDonald and Allon Reich were a lot more visible promoting Dredd.


I'd also say that Adi is credited as an exec producer on Dredd and other features which (As I understand it) is a different role, more to do with finance.

It's rare to have Exec Producers raising their heads above the parapet as they are involved more with the business than the art of film-making so they aren't exactly the 'faces' of the film during promotion. Of the 3 or 4 Exec Producers on the film, Adi Shankar was really the only one who promoted the fact - his first public participation was when he conducted his reddit Q&A after the successful home-video release of Dredd (he wasn't even associated much with Dirty Laundry since it was promoted by Tom Jane as his personal project):


(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff248/burlearth/reddit_zps230a0a62.jpg)

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1am57s/i_am_adi_shankar_producer_of_the_grey_dredd/
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: ABCwarBOT 25 November, 2014, 12:38:42 AM
Just had a looksee at the last 3 episodes.    I'm a bit lost for fucking words and can't make my mind up if it has any redeeming features.

Maybe interesting to watch but godawful at the same time.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Apestrife 28 November, 2014, 07:21:17 AM
Anyone who found some list over the music used in it?
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Bat King 28 November, 2014, 07:42:01 AM
I am interviewing the guys who made it soon hopefully. I can ask that if no one has the answer.
: Re: ‘Dark Judges’ Online Miniseries
: Apestrife 01 December, 2014, 03:59:34 PM
I am interviewing the guys who made it soon hopefully. I can ask that if no one has the answer.

I'v found the artists and titles in the last vid.

http://youtu.be/ejCb1BMVobA at 6:11.

I wonder what song is played in the concert in episode 3. Great song, wish I could find it. I think it's Bryce Vine.