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Title: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Arkady on 24 August, 2015, 01:27:31 pm
Greetings

I've started to collect the Complete Case Files, and lovely things they are. I was wondering whether there is a thread/blog/other resource where I could find out more about the publishing history of these collections.

I'm curious about the decision-making behind some of the content choices. For instance, how come Vol 3 is so much smaller than Vol 1, 2 & 4? I note that there is a big variation in size across the volumes. Why not include the same number of progs per volume? Is this in order to keep the epics and other big stories within single volumes?

One day someone should create a range of dust covers for them to stop people like me from freaking out about the spines not matching.

I'm aware that the later volumes are in colour. I assume that this coincides with the prog going full colour? Because prior to that the strip often had at least some colour pages I think? Shame not to see those as they were originally printed.

Is there a reason why the volumes (at least 1-4, which is as far as I have got) don't have an index page? Seems like an odd omission.

I'd be grateful for any tips.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: IndigoPrime on 24 August, 2015, 01:45:44 pm
From what I recall in speaking to those involved at the time, Volume 3 was indeed skinny in order to not split epics. The colour issue was, as far as I understand it, down to a combination of then-current technology and outlay. There was a tipping point where it finally became affordable to do the thinner full-colour volumes with better paper (even if the majority of stories were in black and white), thereby enabling a price-point that enough punters would swallow. (Even so, I recall people getting narked at the price rises for the colour Case Files.) I recall this happened around the time Nemesis 3 was being compiled.

I've no idea about the lack of index pages in early editions. Probably just an oversight at the time, or not realising readers would want one. Bear in mind that these series evolved over time, taking on board feedback.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Arkady on 24 August, 2015, 02:34:58 pm
No doubt once the series has caught up there will be a fancy re-release dealing with any quibbles.

Then again, with the newer volumes containing, what 20 progs worth as opposed to c.60 in the earlier big volumes, and only a couple of volumes coming out per year... I'm not good with numbers but I think the Case Files is now falling behind rather than catching up?
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 24 August, 2015, 04:56:37 pm
I'm curious about the decision-making behind some of the content choices. For instance, how come Vol 3 is so much smaller than Vol 1, 2 & 4?

Open up CF4 and the very first story is the start of The Judge Child epic. The only alternatives were splitting the epic in half (very glad they didn't do that) or having one ma-hoo-sive third volume with equivalent big price tag.

I'm aware that the later volumes are in colour. I assume that this coincides with the prog going full colour?

Yep.

Is there a reason why the volumes (at least 1-4, which is as far as I have got) don't have an index page? Seems like an odd omission.

It only really became a problem when the Megazine stuff started. At least the prog stories have the logo, titles and credit boxes on the first or second page - for some odd reason the early Megs didn't have that, and it's often a case of guesswork as to who wrote a particular story! The credit pages started with CF20, but to be honest they should have started in CF16.

...with the newer volumes containing, what 20 progs worth as opposed to c.60 in the earlier big volumes, and only a couple of volumes coming out per year... I'm not good with numbers but I think the Case Files is now falling behind rather than catching up?

They do slow down a bit as you have a roughly 50-50 split with the Megazine stories from CF16 onwards. The series is also currently at a point (22-25ish) where multiple Dredd stories were running in each prog (and some Megs) to cash in on the Stallone film, so yeah, you've got two or three books covering the same period that a single book used to.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: James Stacey on 24 August, 2015, 05:02:12 pm
It only really became a problem when the Megazine stuff started. At least the prog stories have the logo, titles and credit boxes on the first or second page - for some odd reason the early Megs didn't have that, and it's often a case of guesswork as to who wrote a particular story! The credit pages started with CF20, but to be honest they should have started in CF16.
Didn't the Meg have full page intros/recaps to its stories when it launched which served the same purpose as the credit boxes? (I may be misremembering here)
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 24 August, 2015, 05:05:33 pm
No idea - I didn't start reading the Meg until just before the 'volume 4' relaunch after the Rebellion takeover. That would explain it though!
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: IndigoPrime on 24 August, 2015, 06:19:32 pm
Yep—the Meg quite often had full-page recaps, which have mercifully been cut from the collected editions, but made some of them read a bit oddly.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: credo on 26 August, 2015, 01:01:35 pm
Then again, with the newer volumes containing, what 20 progs worth as opposed to c.60 in the earlier big volumes, and only a couple of volumes coming out per year... I'm not good with numbers but I think the Case Files is now falling behind rather than catching up?

My quick search on the last 2 case files shows that we're still going through about 16 months of stories every year. That might be a little generous, as that's counting progs, not megs, which have got a little out of whack in CF25. CF24 and 25 take us from Sept 1995 to Feb 1997. Don't think we're quite falling behind, but I'd definitely take a couple of slightly beefier Case Files (assuming there won't be 3 a year again) to get us gaining a bit more ground.

Will this get slightly better once we're past the post-Stallone story glut?
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: I, Cosh on 26 August, 2015, 01:35:10 pm
I think the current three volumes per year schedule still represents a gradual acceleration towards the present (~18 months of stories per year.)
Will this get slightly better once we're past the post-Stallone story glut?
Could do. We're past the point where two Dredds per Prog was a regular occurrence and the Prog/Meg imbalance is presumably because we're just hitting a six month period where the lead strip from the Meg wont appear in the Case Files (Fading of the Light; Predator) and they need to make sure it's aligned again for Doomsday.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: credo on 26 August, 2015, 07:22:37 pm
I think the current three volumes per year schedule still represents a gradual acceleration towards the present (~18 months of stories per year.)

I'd like to see us back at 3 a year. We've only had 2 this year (CF24 and 25, with 26 due in January). We only had 2 in 2014 too (although we also got the Daily Dredd collection). You have to go back to 2009 before we had 3 case files in a year.

Seems I'm a moon on stick type though!
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Richard on 29 August, 2015, 11:15:11 am
There's no reason to leave out Fading of the Light and I really hope they don't. The prog and meg stories aren't too out of kilter to make Doomsday work when they get to it -- it's still a few volumes away.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Skullmo on 29 August, 2015, 01:14:00 pm
Its in the america book - leave it out!
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Richard on 29 August, 2015, 01:16:41 pm
That's like saying The Apocalypse War, The Judge Child and The Cursed Earth are in other books -- leave them out!

It's The Complete Case Files.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Skullmo on 29 August, 2015, 01:19:07 pm
It's not really though is it, and anyway that has been the policy in the past - no america or any of the crossover stories like aliens, judgment in gotham etc.

Buy the America book. The Mega Collection one is great.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Richard on 29 August, 2015, 01:29:16 pm
Well it would be if they hadn't left the first one out (and the Kenny Who? sequel).

America II isn't a crossover. They're only leaving those out because of the shared copyright, and there's a collection of all of those.

I also have the America collection, so it's not that I'm missing out. It's just that given how important the America stories are in the Judge Dredd series, it seems like a baffling decision to leave them out of a series which purports to be a complete series.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Skullmo on 29 August, 2015, 05:41:29 pm
Well it would be if they hadn't left the first one out (and the Kenny Who? sequel).

America II isn't a crossover. They're only leaving those out because of the shared copyright, and there's a collection of all of those.

I also have the America collection, so it's not that I'm missing out. It's just that given how important the America stories are in the Judge Dredd series, it seems like a baffling decision to leave them out of a series which purports to be a complete series.

It doesnt say it is complete - just that it is in order.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: JOE SOAP on 29 August, 2015, 06:08:41 pm
It doesnt say it is complete - just that it is in order.


The books are titled Judge Dredd - The Complete Case Files



Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Skullmo on 30 August, 2015, 12:00:04 am
It doesnt say it is complete - just that it is in order.


The books are titled Judge Dredd - The Complete Case Files

Just write 'not quite' before complete and you can stop complaining!
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: radiator on 30 August, 2015, 12:16:00 am
JUDGE DREDD: THE COMPLETE* CASE FILES
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: TordelBack on 30 August, 2015, 09:37:29 am
Any story that ran as the main Judge Dredd strip banner in either Prog or Meg, and isn't a copyright nightmare, should have been included.

Stuff like The Taxidermist, Kenny Who?, Banzai Batallion are no different to Anderson, Chopper or Janus stories, in that they started in the main strip but became clear spinoffs, and deserve their own collections.  I'm sure that TMO now regrets the decision not to include America, which despite decent  arguments to the contrary is in every respect a Judge Dredd strip, and quite possibly THE Judge Dredd strip.

However, this ship sailed long ago, and the best we could hope for would be its inclusion in a hardback revisit of Vol 15(?) some time in the distant future. Would you buy it?

Fading of the Light is the more pressing question.  I'd vote for its inclusion, despite my (quick mental calculation) 3 previous versions.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Skullmo on 30 August, 2015, 12:37:46 pm
I buy the complete case files to read stories I have not seen for years or missed in the original run. I would HATE to have a long story like fading of the light take up valuable space. I am not a completist, I did not buy the cursed earth or apocalypse war volumes.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Dash Decent on 30 August, 2015, 01:37:35 pm
given how important the America stories are in the Judge Dredd series, it seems like a baffling decision to leave them out of a series which purports to be a complete series.

I'm still baffled that they left the Dreddworld intro out of "The Complete Al's Baby".

I'm not, by the way, advocating that Al's Baby should be included in the Case Files.  I am however advocating that Tharg buys a dictionary that includes a definition of the word "complete" in it.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: IndigoPrime on 30 August, 2015, 01:58:27 pm
I buy the complete case files to read stories I have not seen for years or missed in the original run. I would HATE to have a long story like fading of the light take up valuable space.
But then you could argue the same about any multi-part tale, surely? Graveyard Shift, say?

I'm still baffled that they left the Dreddworld intro out of "The Complete Al's Baby".
I was actually quite happy about that. It was clearly tacked on at the time.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: TordelBack on 30 August, 2015, 02:10:25 pm
I buy the complete case files to read stories I have not seen for years or missed in the original run. I would HATE to have a long story like fading of the light take up valuable space. I am not a completist, I did not buy the cursed earth or apocalypse war volumes.

If you're not a completed then the Complete Casefiles may not be the reprint format for you! Regrettably it's not perfect for completing either. What it is, however, is a marvellous series, and long may it continue.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files look
Post by: TordelBack on 30 August, 2015, 02:11:27 pm
'Completist', obv, not 'completed'. Why does autocorrect hate that word so?
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 30 August, 2015, 02:12:45 pm
I'm still baffled that they left the Dreddworld intro out of "The Complete Al's Baby".
I was actually quite happy about that. It was clearly tacked on at the time.

Aye, I'm baffled that Dash is baffled. The story loses nothing, but gains a lot without that intro - now it's a graphic novel that stands alone, that you can give to friends on its own merits without having to explain the context.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Robo-K33F on 30 August, 2015, 02:14:47 pm
I'm still baffled that they left the Dreddworld intro out of "The Complete Al's Baby".
I was actually quite happy about that. It was clearly tacked on at the time.

Aye, I'm baffled that Dash is baffled. The story loses nothing, but gains a lot without that intro - now it's a graphic novel that stands alone, that you can give to friends on its own merits without having to explain the context.

It was left out because John Wagner wanted it left out.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 30 August, 2015, 02:20:42 pm
As to America II, while I'm of the 'if it was a Dredd story then it should go in' school; surely everyone's got it already in the TPB they had to buy to get America I?

So if it gets left out I'll be secretly glad that the extra pagecount in Case Files 26 can be used for something else, not to mention deriving a certain amount of sadistic glee from the weeping and gnashing of teeth that would ensue here.  >:D
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Skullmo on 30 August, 2015, 03:19:48 pm
As to America II, while I'm of the 'if it was a Dredd story then it should go in' school; surely everyone's got it already in the TPB they had to buy to get America I?

So if it gets left out I'll be secretly glad that the extra pagecount in Case Files 26 can be used for something else, not to mention deriving a certain amount of sadistic glee from the weeping and gnashing of teeth that would ensue here.  >:D

I reckon lave out america 2 but put the later Beeny stories in just to make people really angry! Oh and change the spine too
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Richard on 30 August, 2015, 04:10:10 pm
Part of the problem is that just because we all know about America doesn't mean other people do. There will no doubt be plenty of people buying the series and thinking that means they have the whole series (and consequently not buying other Dredd books), not realising they are missing one of the best Dredd stories ever.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: TordelBack on 30 August, 2015, 04:17:04 pm
That's a key point alright - but they would also be missing out on loads of great Annual and Special stories, unless they were paying attention. Wake up, Sheeple!
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Skullmo on 30 August, 2015, 05:03:06 pm
That's a key point alright - but they would also be missing out on loads of great Annual and Special stories, unless they were paying attention. Wake up, Sheeple!

Surely they bought the restricted files!
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: AlexF on 01 September, 2015, 09:40:57 am
I'd imagine that the PDFs, contents and page count are already locked in for Case Files 26 at this point, but chalk me up as another one who doesn't want America II in there. Purely for selfish reasons as I'd rather see more Dredd stuff I haven't read in a while.

I'm assuming CF26 will include Fetish, of course, which is definitely a Dredd story but was also recently included in the Devlin Waugh collections. We might even get to see a Siku Dredd on the cover - one of the more distinctive versions out there. Biggest chin ever.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: glassstanley on 01 September, 2015, 11:55:37 am

I'm assuming CF26 will include Fetish, of course, which is definitely a Dredd story but was also recently included in the Devlin Waugh collections. We might even get to see a Siku Dredd on the cover - one of the more distinctive versions out there. Biggest chin ever.

I don't recall seeing Fetish reprinted in the Rebellion volumes?
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Skullmo on 01 September, 2015, 11:56:59 am
I'd imagine that the PDFs, contents and page count are already locked in for Case Files 26 at this point, but chalk me up as another one who doesn't want America II in there. Purely for selfish reasons as I'd rather see more Dredd stuff I haven't read in a while.

I'm assuming CF26 will include Fetish, of course, which is definitely a Dredd story but was also recently included in the Devlin Waugh collections. We might even get to see a Siku Dredd on the cover - one of the more distinctive versions out there. Biggest chin ever.

I dont want Fetish in there either!

And can someone go back and remove Raptaur.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 01 September, 2015, 05:19:05 pm
I'm assuming CF26 will include Fetish, of course, which is definitely a Dredd story but was also recently included in the Devlin Waugh collections.

I dont want Fetish in there either!

It's in the blurb, so we're definately getting that one: ...Meanwhile in another classic adventure from the pages of the Judge Dredd Megazine, Dredd teams up with the celebrity freelance exorcist, Devlin Waugh, to battle Kigishu the evil sorcerer on the plains of Pan-Africa!

Case Files 26 looks set to be built mainly around three long stories - Fading of the Light, The Hunting Party and Fetish.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Richard on 01 September, 2015, 06:39:08 pm
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chalk me up as another one who doesn't want America II in there. Purely for selfish reasons as I'd rather see more Dredd stuff I haven't read in a while.

That's bananas. That's like saying "I've already got a Cursed Earth graphic novel so please leave it out of Complete Case Files 2."
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: TordelBack on 01 September, 2015, 08:43:51 pm
That's a key point alright - but they would also be missing out on loads of great Annual and Special stories, unless they were paying attention. Wake up, Sheeple!

Surely they bought the restricted files!

That being my point. You can't just buy the Casefiles and get the whole show. You need to be aware that there are other volumesout there (such as the Restricted Files, America, The Deadman, Chopper, Psi FilesThe Taxidermist, Banzai Battalion et cetera et cetera). So giving out about the ommission of America is only logical to a point.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Richard on 02 September, 2015, 01:49:05 pm
The difference being that the other stories are set in Dredd's world but they're not Judge Dredd stories.

I won't get into America as it's done now. But America II is unequivocally a Judge Dredd story.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Dash Decent on 02 September, 2015, 03:15:44 pm
I'm still baffled that they left the Dreddworld intro out of "The Complete Al's Baby".
I was actually quite happy about that. It was clearly tacked on at the time.

Aye, I'm baffled that Dash is baffled. The story loses nothing, but gains a lot without that intro - now it's a graphic novel that stands alone, that you can give to friends on its own merits without having to explain the context.

It was left out because John Wagner wanted it left out.

I'm not saying it wasn't a good choice (though when is LESS Ezquerra art a good choice?) - I'm saying that omitting one page of the story as originally published is contrary to the notion of it being the COMPLETE Al's Baby.

As I say, TMO might be might but his grasp on the word 'complete' is less than, er, complete.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Dash Decent on 02 September, 2015, 03:22:06 pm
I dont want Fetish in there either!

And can someone go back and remove Raptaur.

Yeah, and any stories that involve Dredd fighting on a conveyor belt.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: AlexiP on 03 September, 2015, 09:11:22 am
Part of the problem is that just because we all know about America doesn't mean other people do. There will no doubt be plenty of people buying the series and thinking that means they have the whole series (and consequently not buying other Dredd books), not realising they are missing one of the best Dredd stories ever.

From my point of view this is exactly right. CF was my introduction to Dredd and I'd been told about this America story and kept waiting for it to appear and it took me a long time to realise I'd gone way past the point I should have seen it.

After now reading and thoroughly enjoying it I think it makes me wonder how many people have missed this great story because they just don't know about it.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Skullmo on 03 September, 2015, 11:51:50 am
Well hopefully they will reprint the case files with slightly different content so we can buy them all again
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: PsychoGoatee on 27 September, 2015, 03:37:55 am
I'd just like them to release more of these, so we can close the gap a bit. Maybe five years behind the current stuff. Granted I'm sure they have specific reasons for doing two a year, probably the best for more casual buyers.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Richard on 24 December, 2015, 03:05:57 pm
Well the cover of 26 is out, and Colin MacNeil's name isn't on it, so it looks like no America II either. Disappointing.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Max Headroom on 24 December, 2015, 05:56:18 pm
Disappointing indeed. The two 'America' stories form part of what I consider the five missing Dredd or Dredd-related stories (the others being 'Beyond Our Kenny', 'The Dead Man' and 'Purgatory' which I think really should have a home in the Case Files. Perhaps they could be included as 'bonus material' in the super-deluxe omnibus editions which are surely only a few years away...(!)
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Richard on 24 December, 2015, 07:19:39 pm
It's Beeny's first appearance for god's sake. It takes the piss.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 24 December, 2015, 07:43:51 pm
They have their own trade an are spin-off's under the Dredd banner as far as i'm concerned.

And Purgatory is fuckin' awful why in sweet grud would you want that in the case files?!
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Max Headroom on 24 December, 2015, 09:31:49 pm
Okay, so admittedly 'Purgatory' was not the best, but I sill see the Case Files as the suitable and natural home for the five stories I alluded to. Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Richard on 25 December, 2015, 12:30:52 pm
I can see that Purgatory and Dead Man are spin-offs, and I can even see the point of view that the first America was a spin-off (without agreeing with it). But the second America was unequivocally a Judge Fredc story, indeed it was the only Dredd story running in the Megazine at the time. It introduced a major supporting character. And so it's hardly the "Complete" case files without it.

I don't mind hugely because I already have the America trade from 2008, so it's not exactly hard for me to find it when I want to read it. What bothers me more is that people who aren't as well-informed as us but who are collecting the Complete Case Files will think they are collecting all of the stories, and overlooking two important Dredd stories without knowing it. They won't buy the America trade because it's no longer on sale and they don't know to look for it on ebay or Amazon or wherever, because they don't know their collection is incomplete without it.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Richard on 25 December, 2015, 12:32:13 pm
Dredd not Fredc, damn it  ::)
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 25 December, 2015, 12:35:49 pm
The America trade got re-released recently with a new cover. It's such a vital story in Dredd canon I doub't it'll ever truely be OOP.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Richard on 25 December, 2015, 08:32:57 pm
But not vital enough to be in a supposedly complete series JD stories apparently...
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: TordelBack on 25 December, 2015, 09:16:42 pm
They'll buy 26 volumes at a rough total of 500-600 euro, and not do any looking around for what might be missing?  Are we worrying about a type of consumer that doesn't actually exist?

I do see the sense in what you're saying, Richard, but I think once America was excluded (which was a mistake in the design of the serie, I agree),  it was probably the right way to proceed.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: SIP on 25 December, 2015, 09:24:15 pm
The exclusion of America doesn't bother me in the slightest......quite happy to see it excluded and treated as a separate entity.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Richard on 25 December, 2015, 10:33:43 pm
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They'll buy 26 volumes at a rough total of 500-600 euro, and not do any looking around for what might be missing?
They've no reason to suspect that anything is missing, so no reason to look around.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: jacob g on 25 December, 2015, 10:53:16 pm
They've no reason to suspect that anything is missing, so no reason to look around.

TBH when I started collecting CCF with #1 first thing I remember was going online to check if this is really "complete" Dredd. The same goes to few of my friends I persuaded in giving Dredd a chance. I know my example is not for 100% of readers but customers interested in all "collected edition" almost always searching for this kind of info.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: I, Cosh on 26 December, 2015, 04:27:13 am
Luckily, America is total shit anyway. It's not like someone could miss out on a classic like Magnificent Obsession.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: TordelBack on 26 December, 2015, 07:10:13 am
They've no reason to suspect that anything is missing, so no reason to look around.

TBH when I started collecting CCF with #1 first thing I remember was going online to check if this is really "complete" Dredd. The same goes to few of my friends I persuaded in giving Dredd a chance. I know my example is not for 100% of readers but customers interested in all "collected edition" almost always searching for this kind of info.

Mmm, there's no reason to suspect there's anything missing, but does the kind of person who buys 26 volumes of a comics collection need a reason? It just seems odd that anyone reading that much Dredd wouldn't be curious about the context of their investment - and it's not like the days of the Titan Nemesis and Slaine volumes, when the relevant info didn't exist.  My position here is that leaving out the original America was a bad decision, but I struggle to imagine the actual person who is going to be affected - if you commit yourself to the Casefiles you are going to wonder about what else there is, especially as characters and stories branch off into the Restricted Files.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Richard on 26 December, 2015, 09:15:11 pm
Perhaps you're right about that. It's still a bit hard to justify the series title though.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: jacob g on 07 January, 2016, 03:52:44 pm
Funny thing, there will be polish edition of Complete Case Files... starting with Complete Case Files 13  :lol:
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Prodigal2 on 16 January, 2016, 12:05:16 pm
Guys for those of us who jumped on board only a few years ago is case files 26 worth picking up? I am a bit lost as I try to follow its content exploration on this thread. I have all the America stuff incidentally.

TIA.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: AlexF on 21 January, 2016, 11:55:38 am
If you've read enough Dredd to be up to CF26, then I'd say definitely yes, this volume is worth picking up! In general, Dredd is on an upswing from this point onwards.

It includes all the Dredd strips from Progs 1029-1052, and from Megs 3.19-3.33 (except that it doesn't include America II: Fading of the Light, which was originally run under the Judge Dredd banner, but has been reprinted several times collected under the 'America' banner.)

The biggest story arc in it is 'The Hunting Party', which was one of the first Rebellion Dredd collections from years and years ago, but hasn't been reprinted since. It is both a fun story (about Dredd tkaing some rookies into the Cursed Earth) and, in a loose way, a foreshadowing of Origins. Plus it introduces some new young Judges who continue to be supporting characters for a while. Oh, and it's specifically a sequel to the Dune Sharks story that was reprinted in CF25.

The main Meg reprint is Fetish, which is John Smith and Siku - both somewhat acquired tastes when it comes to Dredd - but worth some time if you like stories where Dredd leaves MC1. The majority of the rest a short one-off Wagner eipsodes, which are always fun. Even the Mark Millar effort that opens the volume is one of his less bad ones.

There are also two stories in which Dredd teams up with characters from other Megazine strips, which may or may not tickle your fancy.

Artistically speaking, it's one of the most stylistically varied volumes yet.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Prodigal2 on 22 January, 2016, 11:21:10 am
If you've read enough Dredd to be up to CF26, then I'd say definitely yes, this volume is worth picking up! In general, Dredd is on an upswing from this point onwards.

It includes all the Dredd strips from Progs 1029-1052, and from Megs 3.19-3.33 (except that it doesn't include America II: Fading of the Light, which was originally run under the Judge Dredd banner, but has been reprinted several times collected under the 'America' banner.)

The biggest story arc in it is 'The Hunting Party', which was one of the first Rebellion Dredd collections from years and years ago, but hasn't been reprinted since. It is both a fun story (about Dredd tkaing some rookies into the Cursed Earth) and, in a loose way, a foreshadowing of Origins. Plus it introduces some new young Judges who continue to be supporting characters for a while. Oh, and it's specifically a sequel to the Dune Sharks story that was reprinted in CF25.

The main Meg reprint is Fetish, which is John Smith and Siku - both somewhat acquired tastes when it comes to Dredd - but worth some time if you like stories where Dredd leaves MC1. The majority of the rest a short one-off Wagner eipsodes, which are always fun. Even the Mark Millar effort that opens the volume is one of his less bad ones.

There are also two stories in which Dredd teams up with characters from other Megazine strips, which may or may not tickle your fancy.

Artistically speaking, it's one of the most stylistically varied volumes yet.

Alex thanks-appreciate it fella.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 22 January, 2016, 06:56:03 pm
The debut of Oola Blint is reason enough alone to buy CF26!
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Tjm86 on 23 January, 2016, 08:09:30 pm
I'm just hoping that with the Complete Cursed Earth we'll get another hardback of CF2.  A bookplate by McMahon would be an absolute blinder. (but perhaps way too much to hope for, I'm just going to put that in my letter to Father Christmas Tharg).
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: radiator on 23 January, 2016, 09:10:27 pm
I've said it before, but the Case Files are entering a bit of a rich goldmine of Dredd material in my opinion. A lot of really solid stuff, including some of the best Dredd ever published, that has never been reprinted anywhere. And it's the start of what is pretty much the most prolific, unbroken (solo) run John Wagner has ever done on the character, with loads of fantastic artwork to boot. It's also some of the most consistent Dredd material ever - it feels like Wagner was really crafting Dredd as a weekly serial/soap opera at this point so we get what is undoubtedly the biggest supporting cast of recurring characters Dredd has ever had.

To name just two off the top of my head, The Mega-City Way of Death and Simple Domestic are both forgotten classics that are well overdue another airing. I also think Doomsday is a seriously underrated epic - especially all the build up to it.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Dash Decent on 24 January, 2016, 06:11:53 am
Doomsday is fantastic.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 24 January, 2016, 11:29:43 am
Doomsday is fantastic.
Yes, a truly under rated mega-epic.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: 8-Ball on 24 January, 2016, 07:48:36 pm
Given how the story is split between the Prog and the Meg I wonder how Doomsday will be presented in the CF. I have the Hamlyn editions Doomsday for Dredd and Doomsday for Mega-City One and it is a beast of a story.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Dash Decent on 25 January, 2016, 02:01:36 am
We know Hatchette are presenting them as two separate volumes so they'll have to do it the same way as the Hamlyn editions.  They could only interleave the stories (to replicate the timing of the prog/meg publications) if they were doing a single whopper of a volume, or if they were prepared to stop the story somewhere in the middle and expect subscribers to wait until the release of the second Doomsday book to finish the tale.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Tjm86 on 26 January, 2016, 05:17:10 pm
Given how the story is split between the Prog and the Meg I wonder how Doomsday will be presented in the CF. I have the Hamlyn editions Doomsday for Dredd and Doomsday for Mega-City One and it is a beast of a story.

If memory serves me correctly this was a deliberate editorial choice following the poor reception of Judgement Day.  It was felt that running two parallel and related stories would work better.  To be honest, I think it does.  Plus you have the return of Kennedy and Wilson to Dredd, two titans that have been criminally underused in recent years (granted, in the case of his Lairdship with good reason).
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: IndigoPrime on 26 January, 2016, 05:52:36 pm
Having read these recently, they work as standalone volumes. Mixing them together wouldn't really be advantageous in the way it was for Trifecta.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Arkady on 09 February, 2016, 11:38:49 am
Hi guys. What's the deal with these 'new' Case File editions with different covers, e.g.:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Dn5XYvtIL._SX358_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Colin YNWA on 09 February, 2016, 11:44:42 am
Aren't they the US Editions. Same content just a different cover for the US market.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 09 February, 2016, 01:55:09 pm
Aren't they the US Editions. Same content just a different cover for the US market.
Exactly this.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Arkady on 11 February, 2016, 10:20:33 am
Did they fix the problem of mismatching spines? I just got Case Files Vol. 11 and the problem really does get worse there.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 11 February, 2016, 10:22:38 am
Honestly the spine issue with the case files has reached such an unprecedented level of omni-shambles* i've actually grown to love it.

*Word of the day, not a slight on the graphic designers at rebellion who co tinue to do a sterling job.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: IndigoPrime on 11 February, 2016, 10:40:46 am
Mis-matched in what way?
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Arkady on 11 February, 2016, 10:56:33 am
First, the lettering, helmet image and number are resized and therefore misaligned on each volume. On some issue 2000AD symbol is also misaligned or a different size (beginning with #10). Then from #11 there is a redesign which incorporates the badge into the name, and reverses the colour scheme design. they just aren't as visually unified as they ought to be.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 11 February, 2016, 11:05:36 am
To be fair, the case files has been running for 10 years. That has to make it one of the longest  continuously in print line of reprints on the market
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: IndigoPrime on 11 February, 2016, 11:18:19 am
First, the lettering, helmet image and number are resized and therefore misaligned on each volume.
The books are different thicknesses, in some cases quite significantly. Tricky to design that to have all the bits you mention end up identical.

Really, though, you're on a hiding to nothing with spine consistency anyway. Even the simplest ones have a tendency to screw up. My Hellboy Library Edition books don't exactly align. The Canongate Complete Peanuts collection suddenly had a change of logo colour halfway through.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 11 February, 2016, 12:03:20 pm
Then from #11 there is a redesign which incorporates the badge into the name, and reverses the colour scheme design. they just aren't as visually unified as they ought to be.

That's deliberate, though - every 10 books the series has a minor redesign. It becomes more obvious once you have quite a few of the books lined up together. 1-10 is colour above black and a fairly simple font; 11-20 is black above colour and a Judge badge in place of the 'U' in the font; 21-30 flips back to colour above black, and has an ever-so-slighty different badge. CF31 is presumably going to flip the colours once again.

The reason 11 looks so horribly out of place, even next to 12-20, is simply the thickness of the spine. I would honestly re-buy 11 if they re-released in a thinner colour edition.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Arkady on 11 February, 2016, 12:50:53 pm
First, the lettering, helmet image and number are resized and therefore misaligned on each volume.
The books are different thicknesses, in some cases quite significantly. Tricky to design that to have all the bits you mention end up identical.


Not that tricky. You could very easily have every element horizontally lined up accept for the writing.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: IndigoPrime on 11 February, 2016, 01:25:00 pm
In order for that to work, you would have to align and size components to fit the thinnest book and then use that for every volume. The result would be thicker volumes with acres of space around spine elements.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Arkady on 11 February, 2016, 02:31:16 pm
Nah you'd scale it for the biggest one. No need to figure that out in advance either. Just have the logo at then very bottom, the number just above that, and the helmet just above that (as in vols 5 & 11, for instance). The text - and thus coloured strip between the text and the helmet - would then be the only thing that had to vary in size and all the other visual elements would be lined up. It would look vastly cleaner from a design perspective.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Arkady on 11 February, 2016, 02:34:33 pm
Perhaps I could be more clear - the elements might have to vary in size, but they could be lined up on the vertical axis.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: IndigoPrime on 11 February, 2016, 02:56:25 pm
But that would still look odd. 'Judge Dredd' would be in wildly different sizes, as would all type and the logo.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Arkady on 11 February, 2016, 03:45:49 pm
Yes, but that's already true. This way at least they would be aligned.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: IndigoPrime on 11 February, 2016, 03:48:29 pm
If you've not seen it already, I've got the feeling you'll like the spines thread (https://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php?topic=34474.0).
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Arkady on 11 February, 2016, 04:07:50 pm
Brilliant. That's like an OCD-sufferers' support group.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 24 February, 2016, 03:40:57 pm
Dark Horse did this with their Creepy and Eerie volumes.
Everything is hunky dorey until Creepy volume 13 and Eerie volume 10 when they changed the Dark Horse logos.
Makes me wince every time I look at my bookshelves.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: PsychoGoatee on 27 February, 2016, 08:05:53 am
Case Files 27 says it covers Prog 1053-1083 and Meg 3.34-3.38. This means it includes Predator vs. Judge Dredd, doesn't it? Since that's the only Judge Dredd story in those last few megs.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Judge-Dredd-Casefiles-John-Wagner/dp/1781084327 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Judge-Dredd-Casefiles-John-Wagner/dp/1781084327)

Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: PsychoGoatee on 27 February, 2016, 08:09:18 am
Enrique Alcatena (the artist of the Predator story) is not listed on the cover though. So that's an inconsistency, one way or the other the cover has an error.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 27 February, 2016, 08:28:27 am
I suspect they might be excluded as it has it's own TPB now.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: I, Cosh on 27 February, 2016, 11:03:47 am
I didn't expect it to appear in Case Files especially, as Hawk says, having recently been reprinted with the Aliens story. What I didn't realise until checking now is that it was printed as Predator vs. Dredd and was technically a reprint of the Dark Horse series. Given the very short time lag I assume the intention was always to print it in both places almost simultaneously but, for those who care*, it gets them off the hook in terms of what the Case Files normally contains on two counts.

Interesting about the numbering though. On balance, I think I'd rather have the issues with no stories listed on the cover than a mysterious gap.


* Obviously, I care enough to try and figure out the reasoning behind these things but, ultimately, I don't get worked up about the content.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Richard on 28 February, 2016, 08:59:34 pm
It doesn't credit Enrique Alcatera, the artist on the Predator crossover, but it does credit the other Megazine artists in those issues. So I think they're not going to include Predator, which makes sense as the copyright on that story was shared with another company. If you want a complete run, you need to buy the Predator and Aliens book. (And the Batman and Lobo book. And America, and The Cam Kennedy Collection, but don't get me started on that...)

The issue numbers on the cover don't mean they're including all the episodes from those issues, it's just so it doesn't look like there's a gap.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Molch-R on 28 February, 2016, 10:12:59 pm
Predator vs Judge Dredd is included in Case Files #27.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Richard on 29 February, 2016, 12:19:37 am
Wa-hey!!! :D
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: PsychoGoatee on 29 February, 2016, 12:59:58 am
Predator vs Judge Dredd is included in Case Files #27.

Very cool!
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Skullmo on 29 February, 2016, 01:55:58 am
Predator vs Judge Dredd is included in Case Files #27.

I just bought the Alien/Pred book to get that story last week - :'(
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: PsychoGoatee on 29 February, 2016, 02:39:00 am
Predator vs Judge Dredd is included in Case Files #27.

I just bought the Alien/Pred book to get that story last week - :'(

I can beat that, I ordered it shortly after posting about it yesterday. Owning it twice is a good thing!  :D

And who knows whether the Aliens one will also be in the Case Files. Hopefully. Plus that one will be a while from now.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: IndigoPrime on 29 February, 2016, 10:32:36 am
I just bought the Alien/Pred book to get that story last week - :'(
Where from? If online, you can return under distance selling regs, if it's still in the condition you bought it in.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Skullmo on 29 February, 2016, 11:16:37 am
I just bought the Alien/Pred book to get that story last week - :'(
Where from? If online, you can return under distance selling regs, if it's still in the condition you bought it in.

The 2000 sale
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: TordelBack on 29 February, 2016, 12:42:40 pm
-wipes away tear of cruel laughter- That's great news, never read it.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: IndigoPrime on 29 February, 2016, 12:53:31 pm
The 2000 sale
Distance-selling regs give you the right to return for full refund within 14 days. See this CAB FAQ (https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/consumer/changed-your-mind/changing-your-mind-about-something-youve-bought/).
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: I, Cosh on 29 February, 2016, 12:54:04 pm
So much for my hair-brained theories then.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Arkady on 18 March, 2016, 09:59:25 am
Can anyone confirm whether or not the Case Files include 'The Dead Man'? I'm about to purchase Vols 14 & 15.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: I, Cosh on 18 March, 2016, 10:03:44 am
Can anyone confirm whether or not the Case Files include 'The Dead Man'? I'm about to purchase Vols 14 & 15.
It does not. There's a separate Tales of the Dead Man (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Tales-Dead-Man-John-Wagner/dp/1906735190/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1458295375&sr=8-1&keywords=the+dead+man) collection.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Arkady on 18 March, 2016, 10:10:49 am
Ta, ordered.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Fragminion on 12 April, 2016, 07:43:52 am
Ditto that.  Just got it and read the Dead man.  Was there any shock when The Dead Man's Id was revealed in this story or was this foreseeable from a few miles/kilometers away when it came out?


And WHY can't they put out the Case Files (or the Restricted Files for that matter as well) FASTER!?
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 12 April, 2016, 02:22:11 pm
Ditto that.  Just got it and read the Dead man.  Was there any shock when The Dead Man's Id was revealed in this story or was this foreseeable from a few miles/kilometers away when it came out?

Some people guessed; lots didn't. A fair few, I imagine, strongly suspected but couldn't quite believe that the comic would do something so drastic to its lead character. It's one thing to read this in a standalone collection, and a different thing entirely to read it as just another story in a weekly anthology (authored under a pseudonym to hide its direct connection to the main strip).

Cheers

Jim
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: IndigoPrime on 12 April, 2016, 02:34:23 pm
I thought it was quite expertly plotted at the time, and caught on with what was happening at roughly the same time as Dredd. People should also be aware that at the time Tharg was teasing the death of a major character, and everything kind of dovetailed into that.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: TordelBack on 12 April, 2016, 03:03:53 pm
I twigged it was Dredd right off from the unnatural/artificial eyes, but thought it was set far in the future when Dredd had eventually taken the Long Walk, a sort of Dark Knight Returns deal. It was only at the end that I realised we could looking at the immediate future.

It's worth remembering that almost everyone seemed to be moments from death in 2000AD at that time... Chopper was being riddled with hole in MC2, Slaine was apparently moving towards a conclusion, Zenith was in way over his head and the Vertex switcheroo was only a few weeks off, Johnny Alpha was left blinded in a hell dimension... Only Bradley seemed untouchable.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: IndigoPrime on 12 April, 2016, 03:23:01 pm
Only Bradley seemed untouchable.
That says so much about what happened next, during the BAD YEARS.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Dandontdare on 12 April, 2016, 03:38:00 pm
I must admit Tharg has fooled me every time - Dead Man, Crispy, Malone, Trifecta, I'm just not cynical enough to suspect these things!
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Colin YNWA on 14 April, 2016, 07:11:47 pm
I must admit Tharg has fooled me every time - Dead Man, Crispy, Malone, Trifecta, I'm just not cynical enough to suspect these things!

Yeah I only had a vague idea JUST before the reveal. It was very very expertly plotted. One of those moments that however good it is when read back you are so glad you were lucky enough to read it in real time and so glad I'm not smart enough to have sussed it properly!
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Magnetica on 14 April, 2016, 11:05:48 pm
I must admit Tharg has fooled me every time - Dead Man, Crispy, Malone, Trifecta, I'm just not cynical enough to suspect these things!

You missed one Dead Eyes --> Indigo Prime.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Arkady on 08 June, 2016, 03:23:17 pm
Is everything in 'Heavy Metal Dredd' also in the Case Files?
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 08 June, 2016, 04:46:38 pm
Is everything in 'Heavy Metal Dredd' also in the Case Files?

No, thank Grud - it got its own collection at some point a few years back.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Judge Brian on 16 July, 2016, 09:54:05 pm
I'm very pleased with the latest case files. I've been waiting since Prog 406 to read "In the Year 2020".
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Arkady on 28 July, 2016, 10:24:06 am
Is Dredd vs Predator in Case Files #27? I'd like to read it before taking on the new Dredd Vs Aliens Vs Predator series.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 28 July, 2016, 10:29:38 am
Yes, it is!
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Arkady on 28 July, 2016, 10:34:50 am
Ah yes, answered above too I see: sorry.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: davepain on 13 September, 2016, 07:16:12 pm
Hi. I've read from 1 to 16 now and am disappointed to say that I've really not enjoyed the last few. The reviews on Amazon for the next 4 or 5 volumes make it sound like they suck pretty hard too.

To save me further woe, which collection do you think would be a good point to jump back in? Cheers!
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Steve Green on 13 September, 2016, 08:13:21 pm
Hard to say without knowing which aspects of the last few you didn't enjoy.

The next few are a mixed bag, you've got some good stories with good art, some good stories with not-so-good art, and some stories like Inferno with great Carlos art, but people aren't fond of the story.

Could try 23 and see how you get on.

27 contains the Pit, which people seem to consider a bit of a milestone where Dredd became a bit more police procedural.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Colin YNWA on 13 September, 2016, 09:23:20 pm

27 contains the Pit, which people seem to consider a bit of a milestone where Dredd became a bit more police procedural.

Yeah The Pit makes a return of Wagner on a pretty exclusively superb run and if you don't get on with that maybe latter Dredd isn't for you. It's actually Vol. 24 isn't it? Which also includes The Cal Files one of my all time fav Dredd's. Happy to be corrected though.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Steve Green on 13 September, 2016, 10:28:17 pm
You're right - I was going off the reviews on Amazon which talk about the Pit being in 27
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: davepain on 13 September, 2016, 11:07:40 pm
Groovy. Thanks for the input.

I've read to 15, not 16. I lied.  :D

I liked the fact that things got a bit political but so far my preferred things about Dredd were the crisp b&w art (Ron Smith is my favourite) and the OTT satire on mc1 life. The last few felt gloomy and I've enjoyed the art much less in colour. I've enjoyed the Dredd I've read in the progs I've picked up over the last couple of years, though.

Ill give 24 a bash. Thanks again!
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: CAN1F on 02 December, 2016, 10:58:49 am
28 just landed I still yet to read 27

New copy going for £8.35 with £2.10 p&p
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: radiator on 02 December, 2016, 05:51:06 pm
Groovy. Thanks for the input.

I've read to 15, not 16. I lied.  :D

I liked the fact that things got a bit political but so far my preferred things about Dredd were the crisp b&w art (Ron Smith is my favourite) and the OTT satire on mc1 life. The last few felt gloomy and I've enjoyed the art much less in colour. I've enjoyed the Dredd I've read in the progs I've picked up over the last couple of years, though.

Ill give 24 a bash. Thanks again!

Yeah, go for 24. For me, the time around the release of the Stallone movie - summer 1995 - marked the beginning of a kind of second golden age of Dredd that continued for the next five or so years. After a few wonky years with some legitimately terrible epics (Book of the Dead, Inferno) and even some patchy Wagner epics (Wilderlands), from 24 on it's pretty much wall to wall Wagner, Dredd becomes more soap opera-like, with a run of truly great interconnected stories, and the supporting cast rapidly expands, but there's also an abundance of trademark wacky Mega City worldbuilding and humorous one-offs. This era also includes dozens of great strips that have never been reprinted anywhere.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Richard on 03 December, 2016, 01:22:34 pm
What Radiator said. This is a golden age of Dredd stories.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Smith on 15 December, 2016, 02:49:59 pm
Ok,starting CF28.I see its Wagner all the way.Nice.  :)
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Rately on 15 December, 2016, 03:16:22 pm
I'm up to volume 14, and absolutely love the format.

It is just an absolute privilege to have them on my bookshelves, and be able to dip in and out whenever i fancy a re-read of Necropolis, The Apocalypse War, Judge Child etc. Just astounds me the quality of so many of the volumes, and the way that Dredd and his cast of characters continue to grow and surprise us.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Smith on 15 December, 2016, 05:14:01 pm
My personal reading has been kinda all over the place.2-6,14-15,19-27,so I have some catching up to do.Good thing volumes are pretty standalone for most part.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Smith on 29 December, 2016, 02:18:50 pm
CF #28 was pretty good.Jimmy Deans,Beyond the call of duty,LIAR party,demonic(well,more demonic) Teletubies,Taxidermist returns.Good stuff.
BTW,will #29 collect Doomsday Scenario?
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 29 December, 2016, 02:24:20 pm
BTW,will #29 collect Doomsday Scenario?

Book 30 will be all Doomsday.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Smith on 29 December, 2016, 02:55:17 pm
BTW,will #29 collect Doomsday Scenario?

Book 30 will be all Doomsday.
Okay,thx for the info. :)
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: 8-Ball on 03 January, 2017, 12:01:01 am
BTW,will #29 collect Doomsday Scenario?

Book 30 will be all Doomsday.

All Doomsday? Both parts, Prog and Meg? That's going to be one helluva Case File. I'm going to have to start some weight training in preparation for getting it home from Waterstones and/or FP.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Rogue Judge on 10 January, 2017, 07:59:32 am
Groovy. Thanks for the input.

I've read to 15, not 16. I lied.  :D

I liked the fact that things got a bit political but so far my preferred things about Dredd were the crisp b&w art (Ron Smith is my favourite) and the OTT satire on mc1 life. The last few felt gloomy and I've enjoyed the art much less in colour. I've enjoyed the Dredd I've read in the progs I've picked up over the last couple of years, though.

Ill give 24 a bash. Thanks again!

Number 17 has the megaepic Judgement Day which is, IMO, well worth your time.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Smith on 22 February, 2017, 01:16:27 pm
In the process of filling up holes,(I still got 9-13) I finished CF8.It was okay,but I get the feeling the creators were running out of energy.Dredd Angel was funny.Another revisit of Cursed Earth.Dredd does some questioning of his own actions.City of the Damned lasts just a bit too long.Hunters Club is kinda weak,I have to say.Brisco's assessment is probably my favorite story in this file.
An okay volume,but not the most spectacular one.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Smith on 16 March, 2017, 08:20:42 pm
#9 was pretty solid.Letter from a democrat and Midnight Surfer are obviously the strongest stories.Most of it are shorter stories,that mostly work.I liked Nosferatu.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: AlexF on 20 March, 2017, 01:53:26 pm
Recently finished CF 28 - the most recent one - and I think, story for story, it's one of the best ever, right up there with my go-to favourites of the original Wagner/Grant era.

All the stories are written by John Wagner, which helps to keep the quality high, of course! But there's some cracking art and it's basically full of those little 1 or 2 part comedy gems.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Fragminion on 23 March, 2017, 06:29:38 am
The only complaint I can make about the Case Files is that they don't PUT THEM OUT FAST ENOUGH! 

That and I hope there is a follow up story to Pup Fiction.  Wanna see some characters at the least get CUBED!

#28 was a good collection of Fun and (somewhat) Serious stories.  If only we could clean our political parties like Dredd can.

Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Smith on 27 March, 2017, 07:39:20 am
CF #10 wasnt bad,but nothing really essential here.Sequels to some older stories,including the first one ever.
Some,like Michael Jackson and Jack the Ripper stories,are kinda fun,but a bit lazy.Judge application is probably the high point.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Smith on 03 April, 2017, 02:38:47 pm
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41Rrt4uO9uL._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)
Cover of CF #11 is kinda confusing to me.Why a simp who only shows up in one story?Why not Chopper,or FairlyHyper Man or something Revolution related?But the inside of the volume was pretty freaking good. :)
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 03 April, 2017, 04:01:01 pm
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41Rrt4uO9uL._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)
Cover of CF #11 is kinda confusing to me.Why a simp who only shows up in one story?Why not Chopper,or FairlyHyper Man or something Revolution related?But the inside of the volume was pretty freaking good. :)

Well, Nobby Klunk (and wife) do show up for a sequel story in a few books' time, and he's the first simp we ever met - but agreed, it is a bit of an odd choice of cover image. If nothing else it makes zero sense out of the context of the story.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Smith on 08 April, 2017, 08:18:33 am
They do show up in the next volume,true.
And now with #12 and #13 done,I caught up with all the Case Files.Yey,me. :)
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 08 April, 2017, 09:26:46 am
Klunk and co area good example of something I feel has been missing from Dred stories for awhile now. Reoccurring none Judge characters. Mrs. Gunderson has been appearing less frequently these last 5-10 years, for awhile it looked like Sensative Klegg would be stepping up.

It's a large oart of what makes Dredd such a great strip, IMHO.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: PsychoGoatee on 20 April, 2017, 04:59:02 am
Klunk and co area good example of something I feel has been missing from Dred stories for awhile now. Reoccurring none Judge characters. Mrs. Gunderson has been appearing less frequently these last 5-10 years, for awhile it looked like Sensative Klegg would be stepping up.

It's a large oart of what makes Dredd such a great strip, IMHO.

Agreed there, could always use some more Max Normal too, classy gent.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Arkady on 18 August, 2017, 10:41:32 am
Great cover on vol.30:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Judge-Dredd-Case-Files-30/dp/178108548X/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_14_t_0?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=JEDQS4WQ2P898NH646D2
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Arkady on 24 August, 2017, 09:36:43 am
Just started on Vol.29. I have a habit of popping a spare bookmark straight into the index for the Megazine bit for when I get to that part... and I couldn't find it. Flicked to the beginning... a full index for the whole volume! Wait a minute... page numbers!

It amuses me how the Case Files continue to evolve and improve. But it does fill me with a slight foreboding that one day they'll release second editions with the various improvements incorporated (and proper coordinated spine art!) and I'll feel compelled to get the whole lot again.

Then again, I'd welcome that for the phone-book size vols 1-11. But maybe just nice custom dust-jackets foe the rest, yeah?

Was the Volume 1 hardback anniversary reissue much different inside?
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: WhizzBang on 24 August, 2017, 06:17:01 pm
Was the Volume 1 hardback anniversary reissue much different inside?

Nicer glossy white paper, colour pages (center spreads, occasional back cover and front cover), and a 'book plate' which is a bit of cardboard with a picture of Dredd on by Carlos. I am not really sure what the point of the book plate is - I used it as a book mark.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Magnetica on 24 August, 2017, 09:09:16 pm
... and a 'book plate' which is a bit of cardboard with a picture of Dredd on by Carlos. I am not really sure what the point of the book plate is - I used it as a book mark.

er it's a picture of Dredd by Carlos on a bit of card. What's not to like?

Where as the bit of card I got with one of the Zenith hardbacks signed by Steve Yeowell seemed a bit more superfluous. It was not as if it was designed to be stuck into the book.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: 8-Ball on 25 August, 2017, 12:15:33 pm
I don't know if it's down to the fact that the tooth completely slipped off my radar around the turn of the century (right up until DREDD and the hype surrounding DoC brought me back into the fold) but it's the stuff post-CF30 that has me the most excited for the Case Files. It's all brand new territory for me.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: davepain on 28 August, 2017, 01:31:58 pm
Nearly a year on (best not to rush in) from my post asking where to go as I wasn't enjoying the early teens of CF...

I've just finished volume 24 as recommended and loved it. Barring a few small blips it was excellent. Great to be back on the old Lawmaster again. Thanks for the advice. Loving forward to the next few volumes very much.  :D
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Arkady on 06 September, 2017, 12:03:14 pm
If memory serves , volume 30 will include Doomsday. Will be interesting to see whether they split the prog & Meg stuff as per the trades, or mix it up chronologically.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Arkady on 06 September, 2017, 12:09:56 pm
Looking at the included material, almost the whole volume will be Doomsday (just a couple of extra Megazine stories I think).
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Smith on 10 September, 2017, 11:30:06 am
CF #29 is done.It was okay.I read a lot of it recently,so I couldn't really get excited.  :)
Simian Bizley,I missed that the first time.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Prodigal2 on 11 December, 2017, 10:57:14 am
Guys Case files 30 worth a punt to someone who missed it first time around?

TIA.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Richard on 11 December, 2017, 02:27:26 pm
Yes, it's the whole run of The Doomsday Scenario, which is brilliant.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Prodigal2 on 12 December, 2017, 12:16:19 pm
Yes, it's the whole run of The Doomsday Scenario, which is brilliant.

Thanks Richard. Appreciate it fella.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 12 December, 2017, 12:46:47 pm
Guys Case files 30 worth a punt to someone who missed it first time around?


If you're more or less up-to-date with recent volumes then this is what the series has been building to for some time - arguably since volume 23! It's the last you'll see of Demarco in the main strip, for instance.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: TordelBack on 12 December, 2017, 01:06:01 pm
Guys Case files 30 worth a punt to someone who missed it first time around?


If you're more or less up-to-date with recent volumes then this is what the series has been building to for some time - arguably since volume 23! It's the last you'll see of Demarco in the main strip, for instance.

-cough- Trifecta -cough-
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Prodigal2 on 14 December, 2017, 10:09:54 am
Thanks chaps.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Smith on 25 December, 2017, 04:06:21 pm
#30 Well everything I said about Doomsday back in Megazin review still applies.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Arkady on 06 February, 2018, 04:07:06 pm
Anything particularly exciting that we can expect in CF#31?
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: AlexF on 07 February, 2018, 12:12:21 pm
Nothing spectacular, to be honest - Banzai Battalion are always fun, but you may already have the collection of that strip. Plenty of John Wagner scripted one-offs, mostly fairly funny as I recall, but also quite a few Alan Grant one-offs, which try to be full-on comedy but don't always come off. The Megazine reprints will include J D Megson, which is a sort of metaphorical account of the trials and tribulations of the Megazine during its first 10 years, and is pretty great on that level, but may not have much impact if you weren't reading the Megazine at the time...

There's an epilogue to Doomsday, Volt Face, and then the Cal Legacy, are the standout 'continuity' heavy episodes. There's also 'Blood Cadets', a fantastic tale of Young Dredd, with awesome Simon Fraser art - but I can't tell if that'll be the last story in CF31, or the first in CF32...

Out of interest, has anyone here been getting the US versions of the Case Files? Some of the early UK volumes, especially the supermassive phonebook sized collections, have some pretty dodgy repro. Would it be an upgrade to get the US version of, say, Case Files 8-10, or is it the same problem in both?
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Arkady on 07 February, 2018, 02:16:17 pm
Sorry, meant to say ah great - I have fond memories of the Cal Legacy (though did it ever go anywhere?) and Bloody Cadets was one of the last things I remember from before I dropped the prog. Not read any of the Megazine stuff from this period.

I'd buy Case Files 1-11 again in a heartbeat if the reduced them in the current slim, glossy format - with colour pages restored!
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 07 February, 2018, 04:14:57 pm
I'd buy Case Files 1-11 again in a heartbeat if the reduced them in the current slim, glossy format - with colour pages restored!

Me too!
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Tjm86 on 07 February, 2018, 06:39:42 pm
I'd buy Case Files 1-11 again in a heartbeat if the reduced them in the current slim, glossy format - with colour pages restored!

Still hankering after hardcover bookplate editions.  The 10th Anniversary edition is getting lonely.   :(
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Richard on 07 February, 2018, 11:09:27 pm
Quote
I have fond memories of the Cal Legacy (though did it ever go anywhere?)
The Cal Legacy was an epilogue to the Judge Edgar storyline that had been going on for the last five years or so, rather than a prologue to something. But it's also the story in which Hershey became chief judge and Buell became head of SJS. And continuity stuff aside, its a good story in it's own right, especially the scene with Buell, Garcia and Muncie, which is a real laugh-out-loud moment.

It did however set Edgar up in the Cursed Earth for the excellent stories Revenge of the Chief Judge's Man and The Edgar Case.

Blood Cadets introduced Judge Rico. CF31 also brings back Trapper Hag and Walter the Wobot, and John Wagner appears in a story!

Not sure if Dead Ringer will be in 31 or 32, but that's a cracking story.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 08 February, 2018, 05:24:57 pm
Most importantly of all, we swapped Alan Craddock for Chris Blythe!
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: DrJomster on 16 March, 2018, 10:47:34 pm
CF #28 was pretty good.Jimmy Deans,Beyond the call of duty,LIAR party,demonic(well,more demonic) Teletubies,Taxidermist returns.Good stuff.
BTW,will #29 collect Doomsday Scenario?

I’m on 28 from the amazingly generous recent sale. Most of the way through and it’s been tops so far. Can only echo the love for taxidermist, Jimmy Deans and Beyond the Call Of Duty. A fine addition to the case files!
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: seanharry on 19 March, 2018, 04:45:20 pm
I'd buy Case Files 1-11 again in a heartbeat if the reduced them in the current slim, glossy format - with colour pages restored!

There is a hardcover of the first volume, with colour pages, glossy paper and better reproduction. It is a much better presentation, but I'm assuming that it didn't sell well, as they didn't do any further volumes.

I think that they should do a harcover of volume two, which, as well as including the colour pages, better paper and better reproduction, would allow them to include the 4 previously banned episdes of The Cursed earth.
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Max Headroom on 19 March, 2018, 05:40:06 pm
Hardcover deluxe editions of all the Case Files would be brilliant and definitely the way to go. (Sadly though, I don't think it will happen.)
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Arkady on 15 April, 2018, 01:27:16 pm
Anyone else got Case Files 31? Is it just me or does page 258 seem to be printed in the wrong order?
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Arkady on 15 April, 2018, 01:28:34 pm
And while I'm talking Case Files, can we agree that the cover of the forthcoming Vol.32 is a thing of absolute mastery?

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.amazon.co.uk/Judge-Dredd-Case-Files-32/dp/1781086613&ved=2ahUKEwiTt6iMorzaAhXBFsAKHfS-BPsQFjAAegQICRAB&usg=AOvVaw0VVRoYVOgo203gRXpKW_J2
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Arkady on 15 April, 2018, 01:42:51 pm
CF31 also features covers from progs that aren't covered by that volume!
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: broodblik on 15 April, 2018, 02:53:03 pm
Anyone else got Case Files 31? Is it just me or does page 258 seem to be printed in the wrong order?

Yes, I agree the page feels out of order but it could have been done as an introduction to next part of JD's travel
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 15 April, 2018, 07:25:34 pm
And while I'm talking Case Files, can we agree that the cover of the forthcoming Vol.32 is a thing of absolute mastery?

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.amazon.co.uk/Judge-Dredd-Case-Files-32/dp/1781086613&ved=2ahUKEwiTt6iMorzaAhXBFsAKHfS-BPsQFjAAegQICRAB&usg=AOvVaw0VVRoYVOgo203gRXpKW_J2

Ooh, we've finally made it up to where I started reading the prog!
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Arkady on 16 April, 2018, 01:55:32 pm
Anyone else got Case Files 31? Is it just me or does page 258 seem to be printed in the wrong order?

Yes, I agree the page feels out of order but it could have been done as an introduction to next part of JD's travel

Maybe that's it. Just feels really odd. Can anyone with the original progs confirm?
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Richard on 16 April, 2018, 05:29:47 pm
Broodblik is correct, it's just a title page for the episode.

(http://)
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: broodblik on 16 April, 2018, 08:23:53 pm
Mystery solved  :D
Title: Re: Dredd: The Complete Case Files
Post by: Arkady on 16 April, 2018, 10:11:22 pm
Aha! Thanks for looking!