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: The Expanse
: CrazyFoxMachine 19 December, 2015, 09:27:42 PM
(http://www.111one.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/1484233348223075652.jpg)

No word on a UK airdate yet but I just watched the pilot for this sprawling new space opera/futurepolitics show based on a series of books and it's seriously impressive statement of intent.

Clearly aiming to be a space Game of Thrones with all gritty bits and intrigue (the titles and the first episode pre-titles bit are very heavily indebted to GoT) it seems to be following three central characters, one in space, one on an asteroid and one on Earth. There's war a'brewing and  weird stuff is afoot. It's admirably dense and I'm quite keen to get onto more of it.

Hopefully with the massiveness of the new SW there'll be a bit more of this sort of thing as this current era of the HBO style series has really been gagging for a decent sci-fi show. *mumble mumble* shame Star Trek ain't currently filling that gap but this is promising.
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: CrazyFoxMachine 19 December, 2015, 09:46:08 PM
No word on a UK airdate yet

Although actually it's a moot point as SyFy themselves have uploaded the pilot onto Youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Lqz_oEWZEU

Go and see if CFM is speaking wank or not. I certainly was about there being a pre-titles bit.
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: Professor Bear 19 December, 2015, 10:06:12 PM
It's not just the pilot - ScyFy has put the first four episodes out on t'web already.

It were alright, but I thought the made-up space language stuff was an embarrassing throwback, as was the pointless zero-gravity sex scene and tacky tracking shots.  Also, it suffers from the usual problems of much of SyFy's output in that its fictional world doesn't make much sense, though for some reason what stuck with me was the usual "oppressed underclass" guff - how many engineering degrees and years of training would you need before getting to the point where you could swing a pickaxe in space, yet we're expected to take it as read that none of these (possibly literal) rocket scientists would join a union?  This "Earth is the oppressor of all the colonies" stuff is pretty unworkable if you play it too serious, but stuff like the more campy Killjoys and Dark Matter got away with it by playing up to the idea of the upper classes being an evil empire of some sort, whereas Expanse just seems to want you to take it at its word that Earth controls everything because Reasons, even though it seems happy to overexplain a lot of other stuff considerably less essential to the coherence of the fiction.

Still, it's a space opera coming out just as space opera has become huge again, which is a no-brainer, shirley?
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: CrazyFoxMachine 19 December, 2015, 10:28:01 PM
Ag - I'll hold back on watching them all at once, that way madness lies.

I get your drift but I viewed as more fantastical than literal if you see my meaning. As in - this is as much about an actual perceived future as Game of Thrones is about the actual medieval past. It is steeped in enough tropery to be a bit fey and fun (Tom Jane's noir asteroid detective in the pilot is pure pulp) but has enough going on for me to make it seem worth following. "Because reasons" can sometimes be enough for worlds this dense if the characters are engaging enough to carry you through it. However I may have to watch more before trying to wade too far into defending it!
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: PsychoGoatee 19 December, 2015, 10:39:49 PM
I'll definitely give this a try, Tom Jane is the man.
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: Keef Monkey 05 July, 2016, 05:04:58 PM
I know I'm dredging up an old topic but I need to ask - did this thing ever actually air in the UK?

I remember getting really excited at the idea of a new sci-fi show, loved the look of it, love Tom Jane, and then...nothing. Unless it came on and I totally missed it. Desperate for a new spaceshippy show just now, contemplating a blind purchase of the Killjoys blu-ray just because it looks like it'll scratch an itch, but it's The Expanse that I want!
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: Link Prime 05 July, 2016, 05:12:34 PM
I've been looking out for it too, it hasn't been aired in the UK / Ireland.

A quick perusal of Amazon.co.uk threw up a Blu-Ray (region free) US seller; https://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Expanse-Season-1-Blu-ray/dp/B01AHWLX24/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1467734951&sr=8-1&keywords=the+expanse
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: amines2058 06 July, 2016, 11:13:40 AM
It must have been received favourably in the US as according to Wikipedia a 2nd series is due to air next year. May need to hunt the 1st series down and pass judgement myself!
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: Theblazeuk 08 July, 2016, 11:28:14 AM
Tis really bloody good.

Best of the newer batches of SF TV. Might be best space-SF since BSG in my humble opinion.
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: Dandontdare 08 July, 2016, 01:01:05 PM
The thing itself doesn't really grab me but that's a bloody fantastic poster/tagline
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: Professor Bear 08 July, 2016, 01:34:06 PM
It must have been received favourably in the US as according to Wikipedia a 2nd series is due to air next year.

Like Black Sails before it, The Expanse was renewed before the first episode aired, one presumes this is because if they demolish the sets with only ten episodes in the bank, they'll never get a decent return on their (allegedly quite large) investment in the show.  Channels are not falling over themselves to buy ten episodes of a show with no ending.
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: Keef Monkey 07 November, 2016, 01:46:15 PM
This has been picked up by Netflix in the UK as one of their Netflix Originals, we watched the first four episodes at the weekend (which is a lot for us, we don't tend to telly binge) and I'm with CFM, loving it. It's very much the sci-fi show I've been craving for a long time, ever since Battlestar ended. And if 'Tom Jane is an asteroid belt detective...' isn't the most enticing first line to a Netflix synopsis ever then I don't know what is.

Currently sitting at work wishing I could get home just to watch some more, been a while since a show got its hooks in like that!
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: Spaceghost 07 November, 2016, 02:06:55 PM
I tried reading the first book of this series and ended up ditching it half way through, bored.

Too many cliches, too few ideas. It might translate better as live action and I'm tempted to give it a shot now it's on Netflix.
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: von Boom 07 November, 2016, 02:13:42 PM
I tried reading the first book of this series and ended up ditching it half way through, bored.

Too many cliches, too few ideas. It might translate better as live action and I'm tempted to give it a shot now it's on Netflix.

Same here. Terrible book.
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: Theblazeuk 07 November, 2016, 02:35:29 PM
I found the books a fun if pulpy easy read. The TV show is a big improvement however.
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: radiator 07 November, 2016, 06:34:31 PM
I tried reading the first book of this series and ended up ditching it half way through, bored.

Too many cliches, too few ideas. It might translate better as live action and I'm tempted to give it a shot now it's on Netflix.

Me too. I tried reading the book, but didn't make it very far. 'Cliched' sums it up. It seemed like a weirdly anachronistic or retro sci fi novel, full of ideas about what someone from the 60s or 80s might think the future might be like, and I honestly couldn't tell if that was a stylistic choice or just a bland, dated aesthetic...?
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: CrazyFoxMachine 08 November, 2016, 12:13:10 AM
Shame about the books but I maintain that the series is good - glad it's on Netflix now, hope it finds the audience it deserves!
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: LARF 08 November, 2016, 11:54:34 PM
Just started watching it tonight, quite like it so far.
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: The Legendary Shark 24 February, 2017, 03:00:57 PM
Just got around to watching this. It looks bloody great, the story and characters are compelling and I'm looking forward to Season Two. One of the best things I've seen, of any genre, in a long time.
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: CrazyFoxMachine 25 February, 2017, 11:46:45 AM
 :D Yes, more of this sort of thing. Since it appeared on Netflix people are gradually turning onto this which is really gratifying as it's one of my favorite new series and the best slice of TV sci-fi there's been in years. On the third or so episode of season 2 and I can assure you - it just keeps getting better :O
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: Keef Monkey 27 February, 2017, 09:24:34 AM
:D Yes, more of this sort of thing. Since it appeared on Netflix people are gradually turning onto this which is really gratifying as it's one of my favorite new series and the best slice of TV sci-fi there's been in years. On the third or so episode of season 2 and I can assure you - it just keeps getting better :O

I take it season 2 isn't on UK Netflix yet? I've been keeping my eyes peeled, we were absolutely hooked on that first season so the wait for more is proving difficult!
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: Dunk! 27 February, 2017, 12:52:59 PM
Up to ep5 of season 2 of this and...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                           Whoa!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               


Just must see TV for me.
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: CrazyFoxMachine 27 February, 2017, 08:59:20 PM
Yeah just saw that  :o Blimey that was extraordinary - those catching up have a lot to look forward to!
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: Dunk! 28 February, 2017, 11:59:42 AM
Yeah just saw that  :o Blimey that was extraordinary - those catching up have a lot to look forward to!

Had to check they weren't ending the series early and that there were more episodes. :)

Dunk!
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: Jim_Campbell 28 February, 2017, 02:31:11 PM
There's a comic, too, (https://www.comixology.co.uk/The-Expanse-Origins-1-of-4/digital-comic/486030) you know…

(TV series rather than novel tie-in. Background stories on the key characters… single issues exclusive to Comixology, a TPB forthcoming down the line.)
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: Tjm86 01 April, 2017, 03:57:15 PM
Thanks for the nod on this guys.  My daughter has been nagging for a netflix subscription for a while so we've taken the plunge.  Saw this and thought, 'why the heck not'?  I'd have to say that some of the criticisms are valid in that it deploys a lot of the current sci-fi tropes, mixed in with a bit of noir pulp.  That said, it does so fairly competently.  There is enough mystery, chicanery and downright deviousness to keep me engaged and lets face it, it's not as if there is much else out there.  The world building is fairly robust and believable, the SFX works pretty well (on the iPad at any rate), the quality of acting is reasonable and the characters are believable enough.  It's been a while since a series has hooked me in to the level this has.  Not sure if I want to try the novels based on CFM's and SG's feedback.  Having been burnt with Game of Thrones I think I'll just stick with the telly this time.
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: CrazyFoxMachine 02 April, 2017, 01:33:50 PM
Not sure if I want to try the novels based on CFM's and SG's feedback.  Having been burnt with Game of Thrones I think I'll just stick with the telly this time.

 :o I've not read the novels!

Although good timing as I showed my auld man this last night - he loves a bit of hard sci-fi and that first episode is still as convincing as it was the other year. Good solid bedrock to what turns into an absurdly vital series.

Still not that tempted to read the books though  :lol:
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: Tjm86 02 April, 2017, 02:07:55 PM
My bad CFM, I misread your post.  Got to the end of episode 10 last night and thought 'bugger' when I realised that was the end of the current series.  Nice to know that there is a S2 to come.
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: Theblazeuk 12 April, 2017, 11:41:49 AM
I enjoyed the books a lot, but the TV series is definitely better. The books were quick, quite light reads with a bit of a thriller/pulp/noir feel to them. IN SPACE.
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: Tjm86 31 August, 2017, 02:31:39 PM
Apologies for necroposting but Email from Netflix announcing that season 2 is starting on 8th Sept.  Tidy!
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: Keef Monkey 01 September, 2017, 09:36:11 AM
Apologies for necroposting but Email from Netflix announcing that season 2 is starting on 8th Sept.  Tidy!

YES!
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: JamesC 01 September, 2017, 10:48:51 AM
I started watching this but everything was dark and everyone was whispering or mumbling.
I decide to give up - didn't seem much point watching a programme I couldn't see or hear!
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: Pyroxian 11 September, 2017, 03:48:32 PM
I started watching this but everything was dark and everyone was whispering or mumbling.
I decide to give up - didn't seem much point watching a programme I couldn't see or hear!

I know what you mean about the mumbling - I've had to stick the subtitles on...

Still enjoying it though - halfway through S2 now.
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: Keef Monkey 02 October, 2017, 04:52:09 PM
Mrs Monkey and myself finished S2 last night and have to say, it's hands down, far and away our favourite show on TV these days by a really, really long way. Definitely the most into something we've been since Battlestar. We're enjoying it so damn much, and love every character on that wee ship. It's incredibly rare nowadays that we do anything approaching binge-watching a show and we only generally like to watch something different from night to night and keep a few things on the go, but with this it was Expanse every night until it was done.

And now it's done.

The thought that it might be a year before Netflix get S3 is a bit of a torment.
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: CrazyFoxMachine 02 October, 2017, 10:39:20 PM
Worth the wait though :)
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: shaolin_monkey 03 October, 2017, 07:58:57 AM
Yep, totally chained season 2 - watched it over three days.  Damn, it was soooo good... to a point (after which it was still good, just not as much).

While it remained of high quality and great interest throughout, I thought the first six episodes with the chase followed by that cop dude's arc coming to an end was just some of the best telly ever - so thrilling! 

However, the subsequent episodes, while still very entertaining indeed, were all a bit of an anti-climax afterwards.  Plus the fact that this alien blue stuff just seems to be everywhere now, making that mad rush to wipe out the asteroid redundant.  Still, I'm very curious to see what happened to all the folk in that ship touching down on Venus.



In a nutshell, better than that new Star Trek series (albeit there have only been three episodes of that out so far).
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: Mardroid 09 October, 2017, 05:33:19 AM
I just started the Expanse season 2 (I gobbled up the first three episodes) and, yes it's very enjoyable.

I'm enjoying Discovery just as much. Two very different stories that work well.
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: IndigoPrime 09 October, 2017, 09:45:03 AM
We watched the last four episodes all in one go last night. I can't recall the last time we did something like that after mini-IP arrived on the scene. I'm really enjoying shows that barrel things along. The first half of this season (which itself is only 13 episodes) felt like an entire season in and of itself; and the same with the second half.

Mrs IP also pointed out that the show manages to be quite diverse in some areas, too (body; race; gender), which is still bafflingly a rarity these days. (They could do with another woman on crew though.) Elsewhere, the effects are solid, the scripting works well, the acting's strong, the characters are generally well-rounded with very few ciphers, and there are really nice moments peppered throughout, such as using Jupiter's many moons to slingshot into position. Looking forward to s03, and glad it's already on a full order, rather than Syfy hedging its bets.
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: CrazyFoxMachine 09 October, 2017, 07:27:16 PM
I just spotted that I started this thread  :o I was ahead of the curb on that one, at least! (I also was championing Rick and Morty when the first episode came out NOW THEY'RE BURNING DOWN McDONALDS ACROSS AMERICA JUST FOR THE LOVE IT).

My next recommendation: Crufts.
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: JOE SOAP 11 May, 2018, 03:31:51 PM
‘The Expanse’ To End On Syfy With Season 3, Will Be Shopped Elsewhere By Alcon (https://deadline.com/2018/05/the-expanse-canceled-syfy-after-three-seasons-to-be-shopped-1202388026/)

The current third season of The Expanse will be the space drama’s last one on Syfy. The cable network has decided not to renew the show for a fourth season, with the last episode slated to air in early July. Alcon Television Group, which fully finances and produces the critically praised series, plans to shop it to other buyers.
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: Keef Monkey 11 May, 2018, 03:50:31 PM
Gutted. Haven't seen any of season 3 yet (because we get them on a few month's delay on Netflix here) but seasons 1 and 2 established it as my favourite show on TV, by a very long way. Hopeful that with it being a Netflix original they'll be keen to pick it up and continue it (one can dream)!
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: IndigoPrime 11 May, 2018, 04:48:17 PM
I suppose it depends on $$$$ but this would be a good one for Netflix to pick up itself.
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: JOE SOAP 11 May, 2018, 04:54:16 PM
I suppose it depends on $$$$ but this would be a good one for Netflix to pick up itself.


Alcon Television Group, which fully finances and produces the critically praised series, plans to shop it to other buyers.

These are the same crowd who made BR2049 – they must have buckets of someone else's money.

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: philt 14 May, 2018, 01:56:42 PM
It looks like the entire Earth Alliance Plot isn't just the only thing it shares with Babylon 5*, as it adds a torrid relationship with a network, and being on the Brink (no pun - okay a small one) of permanent cancellation to the list

(*the whole message with Sadavir Errinwright being recorded, channels Morgan Clarke message being recorded by Ivannova, as does the hybrid "weapon's supplies", the third season being the one the "great war came upon us all, the poisoning of Pyotr Korshunov as was the way in the "old republic" and more. There are shots, which, if not lifted are er "similar" - the reveal of Fred Johnson is similar to Londo at the bombardment of Narn, the attack on the Ganymede redolent of Zha'ha'Duum, the whole aesthetic of the UN military and more it's too geeky to mention. But still I enjoy it.)
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: Theblazeuk 14 May, 2018, 03:23:59 PM
W
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: BPP 14 May, 2018, 09:38:00 PM
Be nice if this got picked up - not least as its production model seems to be akin to the idea behind the Dredd TV show.

Personally its an okay watch but marred by terrible acting from too many key characters (no more than 'Gunnie' (sic) who is just awfully unconvincing. The lead guy isn't much better. Was a shame when the detective left the show (no spoilers - but I assume that was the end of him early in season 2) as he was easily the most watchable thing. Production was great - the Earth Councillor's outfit were always fabulous looking affairs and the B cast did decent work. 
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: Theblazeuk 15 May, 2018, 02:53:59 AM
Well my post went awry but all it amounted to was 'Well that's a shame'. Was nice for Syfy to make decent sci-fi for a bit.
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: JOE SOAP 21 May, 2018, 11:46:11 PM
'The Expense' ‘The Expanse’: Amazon In Talks To Pick Up Space Series After Syfy Cancellation

There is hope forThe Expanse beyond its upcoming third season, which will be the sci-fi drama’s last one on Syfy. I hear Alcon Television Group, which fully finances and produces The Expanse, is in conversations with Amazon about picking up the critically praised series for Season 4. Sources stress the talks are still preliminary. Reps for both companies declined comment.

http://deadline.com/2018/05/the-expanse-amazon-talks-pick-up-season-4-canceled-syfy-1202395538/
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: IndigoPrime 22 May, 2018, 10:17:52 AM
Smart move from Amazon, who could do with a few more critically acclaimed shows. I'm surprised Netflix didn't jump at this one though.
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: Jim_Campbell 22 May, 2018, 10:44:25 AM
Smart move from Amazon, who could do with a few more critically acclaimed shows. I'm surprised Netflix didn't jump at this one though.

I believe Amazon already had the streaming rights, which would have made it difficult for another online service to pick it up.
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: IndigoPrime 22 May, 2018, 10:52:52 AM
The first two seasons are on Netflix as well as Amazon Prime. Perhaps the deal meant Amazon got first dibs – or it just jumped in before Netflix did.
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: JOE SOAP 22 May, 2018, 01:52:07 PM
The first two seasons are on Netflix as well as Amazon Prime. Perhaps the deal meant Amazon got first dibs – or it just jumped in before Netflix did.

Netflix have international streaming rights, Amazon have US domestic, which is likely a determining factor.

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: radiator 27 May, 2018, 02:29:58 AM
The show never really grabbed me - perhaps I'll give it another go at some point - but good news for fans - it's officially been picked up by Amazon.
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: Keef Monkey 31 January, 2019, 03:54:36 PM
Ah, nobody has talked about this for a while and I'm sure everyone had given up hope like me but finally there's a date for season 3 coming on Amazon Prime! Seasons 1-3 being added February 8th, with the new Amazon-produced season 4 coming later in the year.

Feels like it's been a ridiculous wait to get season 3 here in the UK, so I'm really buzzed about jumping back in.
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: JamesC 03 February, 2019, 09:33:31 AM
I tried watching this and really wanted to like it but it was so dark, I couldn’t see what was happening and everyone mumbled so I couldn’t hear what they were saying. It was like trying to watch a badly pirated VHS.
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: broodblik 03 February, 2019, 09:45:17 AM
I watched it on Blu-Ray and the quality and production value was excellent. This is one off the best sci-fi shows the last few years.
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: Jim_Campbell 03 February, 2019, 10:07:08 AM
I tried watching this and really wanted to like it but it was so dark, I couldn’t see what was happening and everyone mumbled so I couldn’t hear what they were saying. It was like trying to watch a badly pirated VHS.

Given that literally no one else here has reported having this problem, have you considered the possibility that you actually do have a dodgy copy and/or that your eyes and ears are knackered?
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: Tjm86 03 February, 2019, 10:12:25 AM

...  and/or that your eyes and ears are knackered?


Not just eyes and ears in my case ....

[my copy was fine though, as was watching it on an iPad when it was on Netflix]
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: Mardroid 04 February, 2019, 01:22:27 PM
I tried watching this and really wanted to like it but it was so dark, I couldn’t see what was happening and everyone mumbled so I couldn’t hear what they were saying. It was like trying to watch a badly pirated VHS.

Given that literally no one else here has reported having this problem, have you considered the possibility that you actually do have a dodgy copy and/or that your eyes and ears are knackered?
Or a general settings issue?

I find dark things a bit difficult to make out on my tv, although I can't remember if that was an issue with the Expanse. As I have this with various films/programmes I'm certain it's my settings though. Or films are generally too badly lit nowadays.

I have attempted to sort it out, but it's surprisingly difficult to get things right, not the actual altering itself which is just sliding bars about, but getting it to look right is another thing.

Not helped by the TV in my room behind a touch too small for the distance from my peepers. Heh.
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: JamesC 04 February, 2019, 05:32:40 PM
It’s very probably to do with my eyes not being great. I have this problem a fair bit. On computer games, for example, I always have to have the saturation turned up much higher than the advised ‘adjust the sliders until the logo is barely visible’. If I do that and then go into a cave or something, I literally can’t see anything, so I have to set it much brighter.
The mumbling is something else I often have trouble with. I’ve recently bought a soundbase for my TV which certainly helps. I have the ‘clear voice’ option on the highest setting which is really good - there are still some shows and films I struggle with though.

I’m sure The Expanse is excellent and I’m sure the moody lighting and low drawly accents are all part of the noir aesthetic but it doesn’t help if your senses aren’t particularly acute. If I watched the show in a pitch black room with the volume wacked up it would probably be fine, but that’s just not the reality of how TV viewing happens in my house.
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: Mardroid 04 February, 2019, 07:07:47 PM
For what it's worth, my hearing is fine, yet I often still find myself resorting to subtitles to make out what people say. I have no difficulty hearing the sounds, but often miss the actual words.

Don't get me wrong, it's not so bad that I'd miss most of the film if I left the subtitles off. It doesn't stop me enjoying films at cinemas. But with a rewind function I feel the need to catch everything... and it can make the viewing drag on a bit, if I'm not careful. 😆

While I like the naturalism* in modern acting, there's something to be said for the older days when people spoke more clearly on film..or maybe that's just in my head.

*I might have used the wrong word, there.Speaking and acting in an everyday kind of way** rather than exaggerating enunciation like in some plays is what I mean. Not to be confused with a slightly different spelling which involves people doing everyday activities with their clothes off.

**Making allowances for criminal activities and other naughtiness which provide much of story it's story, of course.
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: radiator 04 February, 2019, 08:52:17 PM
We tend to pretty much always have the subtitles on, with TV shows especially, which can be very dense with information these days, making it fairly easy to miss essential plot info, and doubly so in a show like The Sopranos or The Deuce where there is a lot of specific slang and shorthand.
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: Tiplodocus 05 February, 2019, 07:47:39 AM
It did take me a couple of episodes to get into the way people spoke and use slang - especially Thomas Jane. Fortunately, the missus kept dozing off so we had to rewatch bits anyway.
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: Keef Monkey 05 February, 2019, 10:14:47 AM
It definitely takes a bit of time to get into the phrasing and the way the characters speak. I remember comparing it a little bit to The Wire when I first started watching, just in the sense that you feel a bit like you've been dropped in at the deep end and expected to figure out for yourself what everyone is talking about. It's like joining a conversation mid-way instead of being introduced, if that analogy makes sense!

Once it clicked I didn't find it a problem though, and like The Wire I maybe feel a bit more engaged with it than I would have if it hadn't asked that of me.
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: shaolin_monkey 10 February, 2019, 12:40:32 AM
I’m four episodes in to the new series and absolutely loving it!!!

Best TV Space Opera since Blake’s Seven.

Such a treat!
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: shaolin_monkey 10 February, 2019, 07:28:53 PM
Chained all 13 episodes of season 3 this weekend. Absolutely bloody brilliant.
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: Funt Solo 10 February, 2019, 10:13:07 PM
Glad people are getting into some Expanse.  I didn't get hooked into the show, but I love the books - I get each new one the day it comes out and devour it quickly.
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: Keef Monkey 11 February, 2019, 11:09:55 AM
Yeah we're about 6 episodes into S3 now after watching 3 back to back last night. It's pretty unheard of for us to watch more than one episode of anything in one sitting (outside sitcoms), but it's so damn good. I think the last time we actually binged anything was S2 of The Expanse actually.
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: wedgeski 11 February, 2019, 11:55:59 AM
Yeah we're about 6 episodes into S3 now after watching 3 back to back last night. It's pretty unheard of for us to watch more than one episode of anything in one sitting (outside sitcoms), but it's so damn good. I think the last time we actually binged anything was S2 of The Expanse actually.
Same with us. *Damn* season 3 is hot.
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: JamesC 11 February, 2019, 11:58:46 AM
I want to try ths again now.
I wouldn't mind giving the books a go too.
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: wedgeski 15 February, 2019, 03:13:29 PM
I want to try ths again now.
I wouldn't mind giving the books a go too.
Season 3 takes a little dip in the second half but recovers for an excellent finale. Very excited for S4, but very tempted by the books as well.
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: Jim_Campbell 15 February, 2019, 03:20:52 PM
I'm told the books are really tough going, in the way that 'hard' SF has a tendency to be. I dislike 'hard' SF as a point of general principle* but those who are better disposed towards the sub-genre might get on with them.


*I was once told by one of its enthusiastic supporters that "no one should be allowed to write science fiction if they can't use a slide rule."
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: Theblazeuk 15 February, 2019, 03:27:16 PM
It is not really hard SF with its obsession with numbers and so forth, it's hard SF in that until a point very few things act without regards to physics and the tech is all based around actual principles and mechanics. But it's not hard SF where they spend much time dwelling on that.
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: Jim_Campbell 15 February, 2019, 03:59:10 PM
It is not really hard SF with its obsession with numbers and so forth, it's hard SF in that until a point very few things act without regards to physics and the tech is all based around actual principles and mechanics. But it's not hard SF where they spend much time dwelling on that.

Fair enough. I haven't read 'em — all I know is what people (whose opinion I generally trust) have said and they all seem to think the books are pretty turgid. Other opinions are available, obviously!
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: broodblik 15 February, 2019, 04:06:05 PM
I have not read the books either but the show is awesome. I am almost halfway with season 3 and so far it is as great as the previous seasons.
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: Theblazeuk 15 February, 2019, 04:12:36 PM
The books are dumb fun, in my opinion. Much prefer the TV show though
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: Mister Pops 15 February, 2019, 04:14:58 PM
*I was once told by one of its enthusiastic supporters that "no one should be allowed to write science fiction if they can't use a slide rule."

This person believes you shouldn't write about futuristic technology unless you understand an obsolete and completely outdated piece of technology? Actual scientists don't use slide rules anymore. The only time I've ever seen a slide rule in real life was when my old professor showed one in a tutorial and remarked on how quaint it seemed.

I hope you rolled your eyes in an exaggerated fashion at this silly person.
And tutted.
Loudly.
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: Jim_Campbell 15 February, 2019, 04:20:55 PM
I hope you rolled your eyes in an exaggerated fashion at this silly person.

I was too busy consulting my log tables…
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: Funt Solo 15 February, 2019, 06:40:46 PM
I've been getting into series 3 - I was frustrated with the first season because it didn't quite match what my imagination could throw up when reading the books.  Still: really enjoying series 3.

The real-physics tech stuff in the books I love - so many sci-fi things have magic gravity on ships that it was refreshing to read about the problems reality would throw up in particular situations.

There's a brilliant set piece (which we're not up to yet in the series) where an unexpected sudden change in acceleration decimates anyone not strapped in.  I'm being coy to avoid spoilers.
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: Tjm86 15 February, 2019, 07:14:40 PM
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The real-physics tech stuff in the books I love - so many sci-fi things have magic gravity on ships that it was refreshing to read about the problems reality would throw up in particular situations.

There's a brilliant set piece (which we're not up to yet in the series) where an unexpected sudden change in acceleration decimates anyone not strapped in.  I'm being coy to avoid spoilers.

I've not read the books yet.  (In two minds)  That said, the scientific 'accuracy' is a pleasant change.  So much of this is a nice change from the lazy plotting of so much sci-fi.

The third season continues to impress.  The mix of political manipulation, scientific speculation and raw humanity mix well.  Granted it helps that it has nothing against which to compare at present but of all the thin gruel available at present it is the most satisfying.
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: Rusty 15 February, 2019, 08:50:30 PM


There's a brilliant set piece (which we're not up to yet in the series) where an unexpected sudden change in acceleration decimates anyone not strapped in.  I'm being coy to avoid spoilers.
There's two examples of this on the show I can recall in series 3. One was when someone was strapped in, and the other was an entire episode dedicated to the effects of such an event set on a larger scale, but with less speed and rapid deceleration involved. What I particularly loved about the attention to detail about that, is that it depicts how dangerous any kind of injury in zero gravity conditions would have, even if it would be relatively minor with 1G.

It's also got one of a few (possibly only?) true depictions of what a spontaneous fire outbreak would do and look like in zero gravity, even if it's the wrong colour.
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: wedgeski 16 February, 2019, 05:55:00 PM
There was also a moment I particularly liked in S3: a character's dying tears stuck by surface tension to her eyes. Awesome.
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: shaolin_monkey 17 February, 2019, 09:28:14 AM
There was also a moment I particularly liked in S3: a character's dying tears stuck by surface tension to her eyes. Awesome.

YES!! Noticed that also - genius!

There are occasional doubtful bits though. Everyone on the Mormon ship wearing magnetic shoes (before they got it spinning) so they don’t float around in zero g, yet apparently alcoholic beverages can be poured from bottles into wine glasses no problem at all. That confused the hell out of me.
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: wedgeski 17 February, 2019, 04:35:17 PM
That confused the hell out of me.
I mean, we could criticise how no-one's hair behaves like it should (except for stand-out moments like Julie Mau in the pilot), or their clothes. At some point we have to accept that they're doing the absolute best they can within a realistic budget. :)
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: Keef Monkey 18 February, 2019, 10:04:03 AM
I also had that 'why is their hair not floating?' moment, before reminding myself that for sci-fi on a telly budget they're actually addressing way more little details than most shows would bother with! I didn't even register the pouring drinks thing, I think it works in the show's favour that because everyone is walking around in magnetic shoes I almost forget there's no gravity for long stretches. I also thought the tears moment was really cool, such a small detail and was really neat that they did it.

Another detail I liked was that they'd thought about how someone's dialect and accent adjusts to who they're around, it's most obvious with Naomi because she flits between the Rocinante and the belter community, and it's really cool how she slips in and out of belter lingo as she goes back and forth. Everyone does that when they visit home, but not sure I've noticed that detail in a show before.

Have finished season 3 now and about halfway through it I turned to my wife and declared it my favourite show I've ever watched, and she agreed. Battlestar has been the king for a long time for me (so much so that it felt a bit like a betrayal to say it!) but it really has engaged me that much. Time will tell if it will stand up to that claim, or if I was just caught up in the moment, but right now I'm really excited about rewatching it all before season 4 appears later in the year, and I very rarely do that with TV shows.

I find one of the biggest strengths of it, particularly in season 3, is how with many of the conflicts it's not 'goodies vs villains', because there are a bunch of characters you've invested in and grown to love on all sides of the conflict and they're all just trying their best to carry out what their interpretation of the correct solution is. There are so many times that in the pursuit of that a character does something pretty awful, but it doesn't ever feel like a heel turn, you just feel for them and know they've been pushed into a position where that felt the only action. And man, Amos is just the best TV character in years. He is THE BEST, and he's so stoic and closed off that when he does his loyal friend thing it grabs me by the heart and squeezes all the feels out. I like all the characters that I'm genuinely tense as hell for a lot of it because there aren't any characters I wouldn't find gut-wrenching to lose!

In short, I love it, fantastic.
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: Theblazeuk 18 February, 2019, 10:23:43 AM
Amos is one of the reasons why I prefer the TV show to the book. Also, I don't have to stay inside James Holden's head for too long, and I also think the TV show interweaves the plotlines and characters more satisfyingly than the more episodic books (easier to work from a complete picture I imagine).
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: Mardroid 19 February, 2019, 06:47:56 PM
I love really Belter dialect. Sort of a mish-mash of west-indian, working class London* and something else. Well to my ears. The London is mild, more the lasy pronunciation of the le-uh tee. (See what I did there. Not that we all do it and not all the time, but I remember my mum reprimanding me as a kid "IT'S WAW-TER, NOT WAW-UH'. To this day I'm loathe to do that any any more, although it might creep in on occasion.) It's massively exaggerated in Belter, obviously.

Anyway, las' episode me watch was when dat bel'uh racing doof' goh 'im noggin spla'ered a' l gee.

*Granted there's more than one accent there, but I'm not cockney and I've encountered it. Sometimes out my own cake-ole.
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: Keef Monkey 27 February, 2019, 11:20:00 AM
I love really Belter dialect. Sort of a mish-mash of west-indian, working class London* and something else. Well to my ears. The London is mild, more the lasy pronunciation of the le-uh tee. (See what I did there. Not that we all do it and not all the time, but I remember my mum reprimanding me as a kid "IT'S WAW-TER, NOT WAW-UH'. To this day I'm loathe to do that any any more, although it might creep in on occasion.) It's massively exaggerated in Belter, obviously.

Anyway, las' episode me watch was when dat bel'uh racing doof' goh 'im noggin spla'ered a' l gee.

*Granted there's more than one accent there, but I'm not cockney and I've encountered it. Sometimes out my own cake-ole.

I do love the way the Belters talk, and wonder how much actors enjoy being allowed to go pretty hog-wild with an accent that doesn't really exist in the real world, seems it would be a fun challenge. I liked that it extended to their computer displays and readouts too, I forget which other spots I noticed that in but the computer monitors had something like 'ShowxaTings' on them which was a nice bit of detail.
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: Rusty 28 February, 2019, 04:17:10 PM
The Belter accent sounds like Bob in this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TutMf0xPczI

2:08
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: Tiplodocus 15 March, 2019, 12:10:17 AM
I'm up to episode 4 of season 2 and have to agree,  this is really good stuff!
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: Tiplodocus 15 March, 2019, 12:29:21 PM
Blimey! And that episode 5 chasing Eros is some of the best and most affecting  telly I've seen since the Season 4 Walking Dead episode The Grove.
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: Keef Monkey 15 March, 2019, 01:33:12 PM
Blimey! And that episode 5 chasing Eros is some of the best and most affecting  telly I've seen since the Season 4 Walking Dead episode The Grove.

That episode is SO good!