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Title: The Expanse
Post by: CrazyFoxMachine on 19 December, 2015, 09:27:42 pm
(http://www.111one.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/1484233348223075652.jpg)

No word on a UK airdate yet but I just watched the pilot for this sprawling new space opera/futurepolitics show based on a series of books and it's seriously impressive statement of intent.

Clearly aiming to be a space Game of Thrones with all gritty bits and intrigue (the titles and the first episode pre-titles bit are very heavily indebted to GoT) it seems to be following three central characters, one in space, one on an asteroid and one on Earth. There's war a'brewing and  weird stuff is afoot. It's admirably dense and I'm quite keen to get onto more of it.

Hopefully with the massiveness of the new SW there'll be a bit more of this sort of thing as this current era of the HBO style series has really been gagging for a decent sci-fi show. *mumble mumble* shame Star Trek ain't currently filling that gap but this is promising.
Title: Re: The Expanse
Post by: CrazyFoxMachine on 19 December, 2015, 09:46:08 pm
No word on a UK airdate yet

Although actually it's a moot point as SyFy themselves have uploaded the pilot onto Youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Lqz_oEWZEU

Go and see if CFM is speaking wank or not. I certainly was about there being a pre-titles bit.
Title: Re: The Expanse
Post by: Professor Bear on 19 December, 2015, 10:06:12 pm
It's not just the pilot - ScyFy has put the first four episodes out on t'web already.

It were alright, but I thought the made-up space language stuff was an embarrassing throwback, as was the pointless zero-gravity sex scene and tacky tracking shots.  Also, it suffers from the usual problems of much of SyFy's output in that its fictional world doesn't make much sense, though for some reason what stuck with me was the usual "oppressed underclass" guff - how many engineering degrees and years of training would you need before getting to the point where you could swing a pickaxe in space, yet we're expected to take it as read that none of these (possibly literal) rocket scientists would join a union?  This "Earth is the oppressor of all the colonies" stuff is pretty unworkable if you play it too serious, but stuff like the more campy Killjoys and Dark Matter got away with it by playing up to the idea of the upper classes being an evil empire of some sort, whereas Expanse just seems to want you to take it at its word that Earth controls everything because Reasons, even though it seems happy to overexplain a lot of other stuff considerably less essential to the coherence of the fiction.

Still, it's a space opera coming out just as space opera has become huge again, which is a no-brainer, shirley?
Title: Re: The Expanse
Post by: CrazyFoxMachine on 19 December, 2015, 10:28:01 pm
Ag - I'll hold back on watching them all at once, that way madness lies.

I get your drift but I viewed as more fantastical than literal if you see my meaning. As in - this is as much about an actual perceived future as Game of Thrones is about the actual medieval past. It is steeped in enough tropery to be a bit fey and fun (Tom Jane's noir asteroid detective in the pilot is pure pulp) but has enough going on for me to make it seem worth following. "Because reasons" can sometimes be enough for worlds this dense if the characters are engaging enough to carry you through it. However I may have to watch more before trying to wade too far into defending it!
Title: Re: The Expanse
Post by: PsychoGoatee on 19 December, 2015, 10:39:49 pm
I'll definitely give this a try, Tom Jane is the man.
Title: Re: The Expanse
Post by: Keef Monkey on 05 July, 2016, 05:04:58 pm
I know I'm dredging up an old topic but I need to ask - did this thing ever actually air in the UK?

I remember getting really excited at the idea of a new sci-fi show, loved the look of it, love Tom Jane, and then...nothing. Unless it came on and I totally missed it. Desperate for a new spaceshippy show just now, contemplating a blind purchase of the Killjoys blu-ray just because it looks like it'll scratch an itch, but it's The Expanse that I want!
Title: Re: The Expanse
Post by: Link Prime on 05 July, 2016, 05:12:34 pm
I've been looking out for it too, it hasn't been aired in the UK / Ireland.

A quick perusal of Amazon.co.uk threw up a Blu-Ray (region free) US seller; https://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Expanse-Season-1-Blu-ray/dp/B01AHWLX24/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1467734951&sr=8-1&keywords=the+expanse
Title: Re: The Expanse
Post by: amines2058 on 06 July, 2016, 11:13:40 am
It must have been received favourably in the US as according to Wikipedia a 2nd series is due to air next year. May need to hunt the 1st series down and pass judgement myself!
Title: Re: The Expanse
Post by: Theblazeuk on 08 July, 2016, 11:28:14 am
Tis really bloody good.

Best of the newer batches of SF TV. Might be best space-SF since BSG in my humble opinion.
Title: Re: The Expanse
Post by: Dandontdare on 08 July, 2016, 01:01:05 pm
The thing itself doesn't really grab me but that's a bloody fantastic poster/tagline
Title: Re: The Expanse
Post by: Professor Bear on 08 July, 2016, 01:34:06 pm
It must have been received favourably in the US as according to Wikipedia a 2nd series is due to air next year.

Like Black Sails before it, The Expanse was renewed before the first episode aired, one presumes this is because if they demolish the sets with only ten episodes in the bank, they'll never get a decent return on their (allegedly quite large) investment in the show.  Channels are not falling over themselves to buy ten episodes of a show with no ending.
Title: Re: The Expanse
Post by: Keef Monkey on 07 November, 2016, 01:46:15 pm
This has been picked up by Netflix in the UK as one of their Netflix Originals, we watched the first four episodes at the weekend (which is a lot for us, we don't tend to telly binge) and I'm with CFM, loving it. It's very much the sci-fi show I've been craving for a long time, ever since Battlestar ended. And if 'Tom Jane is an asteroid belt detective...' isn't the most enticing first line to a Netflix synopsis ever then I don't know what is.

Currently sitting at work wishing I could get home just to watch some more, been a while since a show got its hooks in like that!
Title: Re: The Expanse
Post by: Spaceghost on 07 November, 2016, 02:06:55 pm
I tried reading the first book of this series and ended up ditching it half way through, bored.

Too many cliches, too few ideas. It might translate better as live action and I'm tempted to give it a shot now it's on Netflix.
Title: Re: The Expanse
Post by: von Boom on 07 November, 2016, 02:13:42 pm
I tried reading the first book of this series and ended up ditching it half way through, bored.

Too many cliches, too few ideas. It might translate better as live action and I'm tempted to give it a shot now it's on Netflix.

Same here. Terrible book.
Title: Re: The Expanse
Post by: Theblazeuk on 07 November, 2016, 02:35:29 pm
I found the books a fun if pulpy easy read. The TV show is a big improvement however.
Title: Re: The Expanse
Post by: radiator on 07 November, 2016, 06:34:31 pm
I tried reading the first book of this series and ended up ditching it half way through, bored.

Too many cliches, too few ideas. It might translate better as live action and I'm tempted to give it a shot now it's on Netflix.

Me too. I tried reading the book, but didn't make it very far. 'Cliched' sums it up. It seemed like a weirdly anachronistic or retro sci fi novel, full of ideas about what someone from the 60s or 80s might think the future might be like, and I honestly couldn't tell if that was a stylistic choice or just a bland, dated aesthetic...?
Title: Re: The Expanse
Post by: CrazyFoxMachine on 08 November, 2016, 12:13:10 am
Shame about the books but I maintain that the series is good - glad it's on Netflix now, hope it finds the audience it deserves!
Title: Re: The Expanse
Post by: LARF on 08 November, 2016, 11:54:34 pm
Just started watching it tonight, quite like it so far.
Title: Re: The Expanse
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 24 February, 2017, 03:00:57 pm
Just got around to watching this. It looks bloody great, the story and characters are compelling and I'm looking forward to Season Two. One of the best things I've seen, of any genre, in a long time.
Title: Re: The Expanse
Post by: CrazyFoxMachine on 25 February, 2017, 11:46:45 am
 :D Yes, more of this sort of thing. Since it appeared on Netflix people are gradually turning onto this which is really gratifying as it's one of my favorite new series and the best slice of TV sci-fi there's been in years. On the third or so episode of season 2 and I can assure you - it just keeps getting better :O
Title: Re: The Expanse
Post by: Keef Monkey on 27 February, 2017, 09:24:34 am
:D Yes, more of this sort of thing. Since it appeared on Netflix people are gradually turning onto this which is really gratifying as it's one of my favorite new series and the best slice of TV sci-fi there's been in years. On the third or so episode of season 2 and I can assure you - it just keeps getting better :O

I take it season 2 isn't on UK Netflix yet? I've been keeping my eyes peeled, we were absolutely hooked on that first season so the wait for more is proving difficult!
Title: Re: The Expanse
Post by: Dunk! on 27 February, 2017, 12:52:59 pm
Up to ep5 of season 2 of this and...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                           Whoa!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               


Just must see TV for me.
Title: Re: The Expanse
Post by: CrazyFoxMachine on 27 February, 2017, 08:59:20 pm
Yeah just saw that  :o Blimey that was extraordinary - those catching up have a lot to look forward to!
Title: Re: The Expanse
Post by: Dunk! on 28 February, 2017, 11:59:42 am
Yeah just saw that  :o Blimey that was extraordinary - those catching up have a lot to look forward to!

Had to check they weren't ending the series early and that there were more episodes. :)

Dunk!
Title: Re: The Expanse
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 28 February, 2017, 02:31:11 pm
There's a comic, too, (https://www.comixology.co.uk/The-Expanse-Origins-1-of-4/digital-comic/486030) you know…

(TV series rather than novel tie-in. Background stories on the key characters… single issues exclusive to Comixology, a TPB forthcoming down the line.)
Title: Re: The Expanse
Post by: Tjm86 on 01 April, 2017, 03:57:15 pm
Thanks for the nod on this guys.  My daughter has been nagging for a netflix subscription for a while so we've taken the plunge.  Saw this and thought, 'why the heck not'?  I'd have to say that some of the criticisms are valid in that it deploys a lot of the current sci-fi tropes, mixed in with a bit of noir pulp.  That said, it does so fairly competently.  There is enough mystery, chicanery and downright deviousness to keep me engaged and lets face it, it's not as if there is much else out there.  The world building is fairly robust and believable, the SFX works pretty well (on the iPad at any rate), the quality of acting is reasonable and the characters are believable enough.  It's been a while since a series has hooked me in to the level this has.  Not sure if I want to try the novels based on CFM's and SG's feedback.  Having been burnt with Game of Thrones I think I'll just stick with the telly this time.
Title: Re: The Expanse
Post by: CrazyFoxMachine on 02 April, 2017, 01:33:50 pm
Not sure if I want to try the novels based on CFM's and SG's feedback.  Having been burnt with Game of Thrones I think I'll just stick with the telly this time.

 :o I've not read the novels!

Although good timing as I showed my auld man this last night - he loves a bit of hard sci-fi and that first episode is still as convincing as it was the other year. Good solid bedrock to what turns into an absurdly vital series.

Still not that tempted to read the books though  :lol:
Title: Re: The Expanse
Post by: Tjm86 on 02 April, 2017, 02:07:55 pm
My bad CFM, I misread your post.  Got to the end of episode 10 last night and thought 'bugger' when I realised that was the end of the current series.  Nice to know that there is a S2 to come.
Title: Re: The Expanse
Post by: Theblazeuk on 12 April, 2017, 11:41:49 am
I enjoyed the books a lot, but the TV series is definitely better. The books were quick, quite light reads with a bit of a thriller/pulp/noir feel to them. IN SPACE.
Title: Re: The Expanse
Post by: Tjm86 on 31 August, 2017, 02:31:39 pm
Apologies for necroposting but Email from Netflix announcing that season 2 is starting on 8th Sept.  Tidy!
Title: Re: The Expanse
Post by: Keef Monkey on 01 September, 2017, 09:36:11 am
Apologies for necroposting but Email from Netflix announcing that season 2 is starting on 8th Sept.  Tidy!

YES!
Title: Re: The Expanse
Post by: JamesC on 01 September, 2017, 10:48:51 am
I started watching this but everything was dark and everyone was whispering or mumbling.
I decide to give up - didn't seem much point watching a programme I couldn't see or hear!
Title: Re: The Expanse
Post by: Pyroxian on 11 September, 2017, 03:48:32 pm
I started watching this but everything was dark and everyone was whispering or mumbling.
I decide to give up - didn't seem much point watching a programme I couldn't see or hear!

I know what you mean about the mumbling - I've had to stick the subtitles on...

Still enjoying it though - halfway through S2 now.
Title: Re: The Expanse
Post by: Keef Monkey on 02 October, 2017, 04:52:09 pm
Mrs Monkey and myself finished S2 last night and have to say, it's hands down, far and away our favourite show on TV these days by a really, really long way. Definitely the most into something we've been since Battlestar. We're enjoying it so damn much, and love every character on that wee ship. It's incredibly rare nowadays that we do anything approaching binge-watching a show and we only generally like to watch something different from night to night and keep a few things on the go, but with this it was Expanse every night until it was done.

And now it's done.

The thought that it might be a year before Netflix get S3 is a bit of a torment.
Title: Re: The Expanse
Post by: CrazyFoxMachine on 02 October, 2017, 10:39:20 pm
Worth the wait though :)
Title: Re: The Expanse
Post by: shaolin_monkey on 03 October, 2017, 07:58:57 am
Yep, totally chained season 2 - watched it over three days.  Damn, it was soooo good... to a point (after which it was still good, just not as much).

While it remained of high quality and great interest throughout, I thought the first six episodes with the chase followed by that cop dude's arc coming to an end was just some of the best telly ever - so thrilling! 

However, the subsequent episodes, while still very entertaining indeed, were all a bit of an anti-climax afterwards.  Plus the fact that this alien blue stuff just seems to be everywhere now, making that mad rush to wipe out the asteroid redundant.  Still, I'm very curious to see what happened to all the folk in that ship touching down on Venus.



In a nutshell, better than that new Star Trek series (albeit there have only been three episodes of that out so far).
Title: Re: The Expanse
Post by: Mardroid on 09 October, 2017, 05:33:19 am
I just started the Expanse season 2 (I gobbled up the first three episodes) and, yes it's very enjoyable.

I'm enjoying Discovery just as much. Two very different stories that work well.
Title: Re: The Expanse
Post by: IndigoPrime on 09 October, 2017, 09:45:03 am
We watched the last four episodes all in one go last night. I can't recall the last time we did something like that after mini-IP arrived on the scene. I'm really enjoying shows that barrel things along. The first half of this season (which itself is only 13 episodes) felt like an entire season in and of itself; and the same with the second half.

Mrs IP also pointed out that the show manages to be quite diverse in some areas, too (body; race; gender), which is still bafflingly a rarity these days. (They could do with another woman on crew though.) Elsewhere, the effects are solid, the scripting works well, the acting's strong, the characters are generally well-rounded with very few ciphers, and there are really nice moments peppered throughout, such as using Jupiter's many moons to slingshot into position. Looking forward to s03, and glad it's already on a full order, rather than Syfy hedging its bets.
Title: Re: The Expanse
Post by: CrazyFoxMachine on 09 October, 2017, 07:27:16 pm
I just spotted that I started this thread  :o I was ahead of the curb on that one, at least! (I also was championing Rick and Morty when the first episode came out NOW THEY'RE BURNING DOWN McDONALDS ACROSS AMERICA JUST FOR THE LOVE IT).

My next recommendation: Crufts.
Title: Re: The Expanse
Post by: JOE SOAP on 11 May, 2018, 03:31:51 pm
‘The Expanse’ To End On Syfy With Season 3, Will Be Shopped Elsewhere By Alcon (https://deadline.com/2018/05/the-expanse-canceled-syfy-after-three-seasons-to-be-shopped-1202388026/)

The current third season of The Expanse will be the space drama’s last one on Syfy. The cable network has decided not to renew the show for a fourth season, with the last episode slated to air in early July. Alcon Television Group, which fully finances and produces the critically praised series, plans to shop it to other buyers.
Title: Re: The Expanse
Post by: Keef Monkey on 11 May, 2018, 03:50:31 pm
Gutted. Haven't seen any of season 3 yet (because we get them on a few month's delay on Netflix here) but seasons 1 and 2 established it as my favourite show on TV, by a very long way. Hopeful that with it being a Netflix original they'll be keen to pick it up and continue it (one can dream)!
Title: Re: The Expanse
Post by: IndigoPrime on 11 May, 2018, 04:48:17 pm
I suppose it depends on $$$$ but this would be a good one for Netflix to pick up itself.
Title: Re: The Expanse
Post by: JOE SOAP on 11 May, 2018, 04:54:16 pm
I suppose it depends on $$$$ but this would be a good one for Netflix to pick up itself.


Alcon Television Group, which fully finances and produces the critically praised series, plans to shop it to other buyers.

These are the same crowd who made BR2049 – they must have buckets of someone else's money.

Title: Re: The Expanse
Post by: philt on 14 May, 2018, 01:56:42 pm
It looks like the entire Earth Alliance Plot isn't just the only thing it shares with Babylon 5*, as it adds a torrid relationship with a network, and being on the Brink (no pun - okay a small one) of permanent cancellation to the list

(*the whole message with Sadavir Errinwright being recorded, channels Morgan Clarke message being recorded by Ivannova, as does the hybrid "weapon's supplies", the third season being the one the "great war came upon us all, the poisoning of Pyotr Korshunov as was the way in the "old republic" and more. There are shots, which, if not lifted are er "similar" - the reveal of Fred Johnson is similar to Londo at the bombardment of Narn, the attack on the Ganymede redolent of Zha'ha'Duum, the whole aesthetic of the UN military and more it's too geeky to mention. But still I enjoy it.)
Title: Re: The Expanse
Post by: Theblazeuk on 14 May, 2018, 03:23:59 pm
W
Title: Re: The Expanse
Post by: BPP on 14 May, 2018, 09:38:00 pm
Be nice if this got picked up - not least as its production model seems to be akin to the idea behind the Dredd TV show.

Personally its an okay watch but marred by terrible acting from too many key characters (no more than 'Gunnie' (sic) who is just awfully unconvincing. The lead guy isn't much better. Was a shame when the detective left the show (no spoilers - but I assume that was the end of him early in season 2) as he was easily the most watchable thing. Production was great - the Earth Councillor's outfit were always fabulous looking affairs and the B cast did decent work. 
Title: Re: The Expanse
Post by: Theblazeuk on 15 May, 2018, 02:53:59 am
Well my post went awry but all it amounted to was 'Well that's a shame'. Was nice for Syfy to make decent sci-fi for a bit.
Title: Re: The Expanse
Post by: JOE SOAP on 21 May, 2018, 11:46:11 pm
'The Expense' ‘The Expanse’: Amazon In Talks To Pick Up Space Series After Syfy Cancellation

There is hope forThe Expanse beyond its upcoming third season, which will be the sci-fi drama’s last one on Syfy. I hear Alcon Television Group, which fully finances and produces The Expanse, is in conversations with Amazon about picking up the critically praised series for Season 4. Sources stress the talks are still preliminary. Reps for both companies declined comment.

http://deadline.com/2018/05/the-expanse-amazon-talks-pick-up-season-4-canceled-syfy-1202395538/
Title: Re: The Expanse
Post by: IndigoPrime on 22 May, 2018, 10:17:52 am
Smart move from Amazon, who could do with a few more critically acclaimed shows. I'm surprised Netflix didn't jump at this one though.
Title: Re: The Expanse
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 22 May, 2018, 10:44:25 am
Smart move from Amazon, who could do with a few more critically acclaimed shows. I'm surprised Netflix didn't jump at this one though.

I believe Amazon already had the streaming rights, which would have made it difficult for another online service to pick it up.
Title: Re: The Expanse
Post by: IndigoPrime on 22 May, 2018, 10:52:52 am
The first two seasons are on Netflix as well as Amazon Prime. Perhaps the deal meant Amazon got first dibs – or it just jumped in before Netflix did.
Title: Re: The Expanse
Post by: JOE SOAP on 22 May, 2018, 01:52:07 pm
The first two seasons are on Netflix as well as Amazon Prime. Perhaps the deal meant Amazon got first dibs – or it just jumped in before Netflix did.

Netflix have international streaming rights, Amazon have US domestic, which is likely a determining factor.

Title: Re: The Expanse
Post by: radiator on 27 May, 2018, 02:29:58 am
The show never really grabbed me - perhaps I'll give it another go at some point - but good news for fans - it's officially been picked up by Amazon.