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Title: Deadpool compared to Dredd regarding censorship
Post by: Tarantino on 14 February, 2016, 03:25:23 pm
I've just seen Deadpool, great film by the way, very funny with over the top violence, I loved every minute of it, except for a burning rage inside my stomach, that increased with almost every scene.

I have one question, how the hell did Deadpool get a 15 certificate and Dredd receive an 18? Almost every scene in Deadpool had either sexual references, extreme and gory violence and nudity. The gore and violence was comparable to Dredd and in my opinion, even more extreme than Dredd, in fact it blew Dredd out of the water in all aspects that I would assume a censor would be taking into consideration when deciding what certificate to award a film. It just doesn't make sense that Dredd would get an 18 whilst Deadpool gets a 15 certificate. That for me was a huge reason why Dredd didn't make such an impact at the box office. When I looked around the cinema the majority of the audience looked under 18, which should have been Dredd's target audience, if they wanted a box office hit that is.

The only difference between the two films, that I can see, is that Deadpool used humour to lessen the impact of the violent and sexual scenes, other then that I can't see how Deadpool got away with a 15 certificate.

If Dredd was awarded an 18 certificate because of the man being thrown head first off a balcony and showing his brains splattered over the floor then taking that out to get a 15 certificate would not have made it any less of a film.

I Googled Deadpool and censors just now and there is a big debate about how it got away with a 15 rating. Apparently the censors asked them to remove quite a few scenes for it to get a 15 certificate, so maybe that's what they should have done when making Dredd. Overload the film with sex and violence and then when the censors get hold of it they get to take out a lot of violent scenes and when they are left with a film that is still action packed and "violent" they assume they have done enough to give it a lesser rating.

Anyway, I'm still angry. It just doesn't make sense.

Tarantino
Title: Re: Deadpool compared to Dredd regarding censorship
Post by: dweezil2 on 14 February, 2016, 03:35:43 pm
It's a fair question.
I can only assume that with Deadpool the humour was somehow seen to soften the impact of the violence, whereas Dredd featured little of that in the form of levity.

A 15 may have improved Dredd's box office in the UK, but as for the US and R rating is an R rating regardless of whether it's a 15 or 18 over here, so it's debatable whether it would of made much impact to the American market, which seems to be the dominant factor in getting a sequel greenlit. 
Title: Re: Deadpool compared to Dredd regarding censorship
Post by: JOE SOAP on 14 February, 2016, 03:43:37 pm

Dredd - like Deadpool - was R-rated in the US so it had as much a chance to be a hit in the country where it mattered most.


Title: Re: Deadpool compared to Dredd regarding censorship
Post by: dweezil2 on 14 February, 2016, 03:47:06 pm
I'm presume the far more agressive matketing campaign and the fact it's a Marvel movie had some influence on Dredd's success in the US.
Title: Re: Deadpool compared to Dredd regarding censorship
Post by: Tarantino on 14 February, 2016, 03:50:11 pm
I'm sure there's a Dreddpool gag in here somewhere, I just can't place it.

Tarantino
Title: Re: Deadpool compared to Dredd regarding censorship
Post by: JOE SOAP on 14 February, 2016, 03:58:00 pm
I'm presume the far more agressive matketing campaign and the fact it's a Marvel movie had some influence on Dredd's success in the US.

That accounts for some of it but more importantly it's also a unique, serendipitous blend of action, rom-com and superhero film that happens to deliver on its bawdy comedy in creative ways, so that gives it an easy crossover appeal.


Deadpool has more in common with TED than DREDD.









Title: Re: Deadpool compared to Dredd regarding censorship
Post by: dweezil2 on 14 February, 2016, 04:01:46 pm
I'm presume the far more agressive matketing campaign and the fact it's a Marvel movie had some influence on Dredd's success in the US.

That accounts for some of it but more importantly it's also a unique, serendipitous blend of action, rom-com and superhero film that happens to deliver on its bawdy comedy in creative ways, so that gives it an easy crossover appeal.


Yep!
That about sums it!
And why I felt that Deadpool was more thing new snd not the gamechanger of the genre that over excited fans seem to credit it as.
Ho-hum!

Deadpool has more in common with TED than DREDD.
Title: Re: Deadpool compared to Dredd regarding censorship
Post by: dweezil2 on 14 February, 2016, 04:04:40 pm
I'm presume the far more agressive matketing campaign and the fact it's a Marvel movie had some influence on Dredd's success in the US.

That accounts for some of it but more importantly it's also a unique, serendipitous blend of action, rom-com and superhero film that happens to deliver on its bawdy comedy in creative ways, so that gives it an easy crossover appeal.


Deadpool has more in common with TED than DREDD.

Oops!
Try that again!

Yep!
That about sums it!
And why I felt that Deadpool was nothing new and not the gamechanger of the genre that over excited fans seem to credit it as.
Ho-hum!
Title: Re: Deadpool compared to Dredd regarding censorship
Post by: Tarantino on 14 February, 2016, 04:56:27 pm
There could be a Tedpool joke as well, now that would be a movie I'd go and see!

Tarantino
Title: Re: Deadpool compared to Dredd regarding censorship
Post by: dweezil2 on 14 February, 2016, 05:35:36 pm
There could be a Tedpool joke as well, now that would be a movie I'd go and see!

Tarantino

Or even a film called Dredd-pool!

We might get a sequel that way!   ;)
Title: Re: Deadpool compared to Dredd regarding censorship
Post by: JOE SOAP on 14 February, 2016, 07:07:51 pm
And why I felt that Deadpool was nothing new and not the gamechanger of the genre that over excited fans seem to credit it as.


It's new in the sense that no one had done that combination of genres in a superhero film before - at least not with any degree of success (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75EXgcE3EMs).

Title: Re: Deadpool compared to Dredd regarding censorship
Post by: Leigh S on 14 February, 2016, 09:12:30 pm
And why I felt that Deadpool was nothing new and not the gamechanger of the genre that over excited fans seem to credit it as.


It's new in the sense that no one had done that combination of genres in a superhero film before - at least not with any degree of success (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75EXgcE3EMs).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzI-ZbcK_sw
Title: Re: Deadpool compared to Dredd regarding censorship
Post by: dweezil2 on 14 February, 2016, 11:37:55 pm
And why I felt that Deadpool was nothing new and not the gamechanger of the genre that over excited fans seem to credit it as.


It's new in the sense that no one had done that combination of genres in a superhero film before - at least not with any degree of success (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75EXgcE3EMs).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzI-ZbcK_sw


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PKmHBFgIoX0
Title: Re: Deadpool compared to Dredd regarding censorship
Post by: Arkwright99 on 15 February, 2016, 05:13:13 pm
Or even a film called Dredd-pool!
Mashing up movie sources a little maybe even...?
(http://imageshack.com/a/img924/8439/H06kpF.jpg)
Title: Re: Deadpool compared to Dredd regarding censorship
Post by: dweezil2 on 15 February, 2016, 05:29:27 pm
I can get down with that!  ;)
Title: Re: Deadpool compared to Dredd regarding censorship
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 17 February, 2016, 01:18:24 pm
Deadpool is a sadly much more well known property than Dredd is to begin with, on either side of the pond. Before his movie came out, many casual fan's where already familiar with him due to heavy endorsement of his comics in chain book shops and the video game that came out a few years back to some acclaim, and play throughs by the bastian of dickery Pewdiepie.
Title: Re: Deadpool compared to Dredd regarding censorship
Post by: Rusty on 18 February, 2016, 01:02:34 am
Just goes to show what a 'Marvel' logo on a poster will do for your film.
Title: Re: Deadpool compared to Dredd regarding censorship
Post by: Misanthrope on 18 February, 2016, 09:37:33 am
Just goes to show what a 'Marvel' logo on a poster will do for your film.

Didn't work for the Fantastic Four.
Title: Re: Deadpool compared to Dredd regarding censorship
Post by: Rusty on 19 February, 2016, 12:59:25 am
Just goes to show what a 'Marvel' logo on a poster will do for your film.

Didn't work for the Fantastic Four.
Still made it's budget back and then some.
Title: Re: Deadpool compared to Dredd regarding censorship
Post by: Misanthrope on 19 February, 2016, 03:20:35 am
A film has to make at least double it's budget. The Fantastic Four cost £120.000.000 and made just over £167.000.000.

That's not good.
Title: Re: Deadpool compared to Dredd regarding censorship
Post by: Tarantino on 22 February, 2016, 10:22:41 am
It's not bad  :)

Tarantino
Title: Re: Deadpool compared to Dredd regarding censorship
Post by: JOE SOAP on 22 February, 2016, 10:43:18 am
It's not bad  :)

A total money loser is terrible for a 'Marvel' branded film.
Title: Re: Deadpool compared to Dredd regarding censorship
Post by: IAMTHESYSTEM on 22 February, 2016, 11:24:41 am
Deadpool's success demonstrates there is some room for R-Rated Movies. Perhaps originality does trump the familiar in this case. The remake of RoboCop was on TV and it still had very little to say to me unlike the blistering original.
Title: Re: Deadpool compared to Dredd regarding censorship
Post by: JOE SOAP on 22 February, 2016, 11:41:35 am
Many notable R-rated films performed well last year:

Fifty Shades of Grey
The Revenant
Straight Outta Compton
Mad Max: Fury Road
Kingsman: The Secret Service
Spy
Trainwreck
The Big Short
Magic Mike XXL
The Hateful Eight
Southpaw
Sicario
Title: Re: Deadpool compared to Dredd regarding censorship
Post by: Rusty on 25 February, 2016, 01:25:10 am
Deadpool's success demonstrates there is some room for R-Rated Movies. Perhaps originality does trump the familiar in this case. The remake of RoboCop was on TV and it still had very little to say to me unlike the blistering original.
Robocop's remake genuinely made me sad. It was absolutely awful and a total missed opportunity.

Never realised Mad Max was R-rated. It could easily have been a PG-13. What was it that made it R, because as far as I can remember, there wasn't any swearing, or any real gore in there (apart from Immortan Joe getting his face ripped off?). If there was, it could have easily been edited out and the film would have lost nothing for it.
Title: Re: Deadpool compared to Dredd regarding censorship
Post by: Mister Pops on 25 February, 2016, 03:17:22 am
I've heard a lot of noise made about how Deadpool's R-rating contributed to its success, and how it might open the floodgates for more R-rated action flicks. While I'd agree that the potty language, ultraviolence and lashings of the old in-out appealed, I think there's more at play.

In Deadpool, the city/planet/galaxy/universe isn't at stake. The stakes were personal. That's pretty rare in comic flicks these days. Even in Dredd, although the city/planet/galaxy/universe wasn't at stake, neither Dredd nor Anderson really had a personal link to the events that unfolded around them. It was just about their survival. Neither had any personal greivances against Mama, she was just another perp, whereas Wade had clear personal motivations in going after Francis. Even though Deadpool's protagonist was an unrepentant murderer, who utterly rejected any ideals concerning heroism and had a face like a prune with herpes, the movie did an excellent job in gettting me to root for him.
Title: Re: Deadpool compared to Dredd regarding censorship
Post by: I, Cosh on 25 February, 2016, 09:06:59 am
Never realised Mad Max was R-rated. It could easily have been a PG-13. What was it that made it R, because as far as I can remember, there wasn't any swearing, or any real gore in there (apart from Immortan Joe getting his face ripped off?). If there was, it could have easily been edited out and the film would have lost nothing for it.
Aerosol abuse.
Title: Re: Deadpool compared to Dredd regarding censorship
Post by: Fragminion on 02 March, 2016, 08:13:40 pm
Many notable R-rated films performed well last year:

Fifty Shades of Grey
The Revenant
Straight Outta Compton
Mad Max: Fury Road
Kingsman: The Secret Service
Spy
Trainwreck
The Big Short
Magic Mike XXL
The Hateful Eight
Southpaw
Sicario