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2000 AD => Announcements => : Molch-R 27 February, 2017, 06:03:27 PM

: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Molch-R 27 February, 2017, 06:03:27 PM
After the huge success of Judge Dredd: The Mega Collection, we're delighted to tip you off you that Hachette Partworks is to trial a new collection bringing together stories from 40 years of 2000 AD.

You may well see or hear about test volumes appear in newsagents in certain parts of the country over the next month. These tests are being done to see if a series would work and, if the test is successful, there'll be a big national launch at a later date - just like there was with the Mega Collection.

This is very exciting for us as the Mega Collection has been hugely positive for 2000 AD and we want that success to continue.

We appreciate every fan's interest in ensuring these tests are successful - WE want them to be successful too, but we also appreciate Hachette's concerns that people rushing into the test areas and bulk buying copies will skew their numbers and could put the viability of a national launch at risk. We and Hachette don't publicise these tests for that very reason.

At the same time, we know you'll want to get your hands on what promise to be rather tasty new hardcover editions. If you’re desperate to get a copy of one of the books and you find yourself NOT in a test area, please send me your name and address through this forum, we’ll see about getting you a sample copy from Hachette (dependant on supplies).

The series website is now live at www.2000adcollection.com if you want to see how the collection might take shape if it does launch nationally.

This is yet more great news for 2000 AD in its 40th anniversary year and we know we can count on your support if the collection gets the go ahead!
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: COMMANDO FORCES 27 February, 2017, 06:06:46 PM
Interesting!
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: Steve Green 27 February, 2017, 06:07:54 PM
Great news - is it OK to share this on our SD and Minty facebook page or would that upset the Hachette Gods?
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: moly 27 February, 2017, 06:36:07 PM
The link doesn't work :(
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: robert_ellis 27 February, 2017, 06:50:23 PM
Can you get Patrick Goddard on the spine of this one! Great news but please wrap up the Dredd one first!
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: Tony Angelino 27 February, 2017, 07:22:56 PM
Sounds good.

My only concern is that sometimes with size of the hardbacks you get a really good story or stories but then padded out with 'filler' material (usually from the 1990's if the Mega Collection is anything to go by).

I would nearly prefer the hardbacks to have less pages in them but be a larger size.
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: Geoff 27 February, 2017, 08:13:57 PM
Can you get Patrick Goddard on the spine of this one! Great news but please wrap up the Dredd one first!

I'll second that. Be difficult to justify getting both at the same time...
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: IndigoPrime 27 February, 2017, 08:17:27 PM
Ha! Brilliant! Very glad to be proven wrong (potentially) that this would never happen. But, man, this is going to be a really tricky series for Matt and co. to put together. So many strips only work fully when complete. But given the pasting my paperbacks are taking on our IKEA Billys, I'd be sorely tempted to double tip if certain series were going to be there in their entireties.

Anyway: good job to all concerned. Here's hoping it does well.

My only concern is that sometimes with size of the hardbacks you get a really good story or stories but then padded out with 'filler' material (usually from the 1990's if the Mega Collection is anything to go by).
I think part of that, to be frank, is a decision to attempt to provide more value to the readers. If you've seen the original Marvel collection, you'll know how absurdly varied they are in width. Some volumes are chunky, but others are really skinny. I'd sooner have a decent yarn backed with middling material. The problem is when a book's all what people would consider filler – which fortunately hasn't happened often. (With a 2000 AD collection, it'd be an interesting thought experiment to see what you could get into 60–80 200–250-page books. I'll bet you wouldn't need to dip into the Junkers of this world.)
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: Steve Green 27 February, 2017, 08:25:41 PM
Yeah, if it went ahead, there are stories which wouldn't fill the average MC volume.

DR & Quinch for example. I'm not sure what you'd do there - either partner it with something tonally similar, or fill it with Alan Moore FS/Time Twisters?

I guess there's even the possibility of stuff that is tenuously Dreddworld that fell through the cracks.

Shako/Ant Wars/Rounded off with Zancudo?

I don't envy the droids putting it together if it goes to a full series.
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: Tony Angelino 27 February, 2017, 08:32:31 PM
All the Mega Collections seem to have been the same size. I'd rather get a 'skinny' volume than get one padded out with material I'm sure even Garth Ennis is surprised is getting a reprint.

I can see the first volume being The Ballad of Halo Jones (with an Ian Gibson cover). Second volume will probably be Ant Wars with a foreword by Neil Gaiman or some other luminary.

Be interesting to see what they do with the covers. I like the Mega Collection black, white and red but presumably they'll do something different for a 2000AD collection.
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: opaque 27 February, 2017, 09:38:37 PM
Filler is certainly an issue. And the sheer cost is very annoying. I'm not buying any of the new GN's because of buying the Hatchette series.
And yes it needs the 'Dredd' one to finish first! The quality is lovely but there is a matter of too much at once.

How about one a month?
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: Colin YNWA 27 February, 2017, 09:55:04 PM
I can see the first volume being The Ballad of Halo Jones (with an Ian Gibson cover). Second volume will probably be Ant Wars with a foreword by Neil Gaiman or some other luminary.


You'd be lucky if they did !

http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php?topic=43337.msg922260#msg922260 (http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php?topic=43337.msg922260#msg922260)

He says arrogantly quoting himself. Love me some Ant Wars.
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: Richard 27 February, 2017, 10:26:55 PM
It beggars belief that out of all the fantastic stories to have appeared in the prog over four decades, three people have gone and suggested Ant Wars as a candidate for inclusion, a dated, cliched, unimaginative strip which made it into an official list of the worst stories to have appeared in the comic (in a Sci-Fi Special I think).

*shakes head in despair, growls under breath, self-harms*
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: Richard 27 February, 2017, 10:27:34 PM
Great news though. Hope it works out.
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: Tony Angelino 27 February, 2017, 10:41:36 PM
I actually didn't notice that Steve had mentioned Ant Wars in the post before mine. Just shows you the demand is out there and that Rebellion have been going down the wrong route with the whole Judge Dredd thing.

To be honest I haven't read the strip since it first appeared. My collection of early progs is sadly long gone. One of my only memories of the story is the cover to #78. I was on my summer holidays in Portrush and I can remember getting a bit annoyed that I had difficulty finding 2000AD in the newsagent (as it was cleverly disguised as a newspaper).
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: dweezil2 27 February, 2017, 10:45:10 PM
It beggars belief that out of all the fantastic stories to have appeared in the prog over four decades, three people have gone and suggested Ant Wars as a candidate for inclusion, a dated, cliched, unimaginative strip which made it into an official list of the worst stories to have appeared in the comic (in a Sci-Fi Special I think).

*shakes head in despair, growls under breath, self-harms*

I remember Ant Wars scaring the shit out of me the last time I read it-that was back in 1978 though!
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: Buttonman 27 February, 2017, 11:26:40 PM
This announcement could lead to divorces! Was Ant Wars a 2000ad premiere? It always seemed bought in to me - still my first experience of it was as a reprint in the '82 Eagle.
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: Buttonman 27 February, 2017, 11:34:04 PM
I hope Paisley, the home of thrill-power is a test area again. I didn't bulk buy to boost the project but America at 99p? Who's not going to buy a pile to spread the word?  I appreciate Hachette want to do their market tests but one look in the door at the 40th party would have assured them of their committed market.
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: maryanddavid 27 February, 2017, 11:41:31 PM
This would interest me far more than the Dredd collections. I have most of the Dredd tales in various formats Titan, Eagle, Best of, Complete, and Casefiles, I couldn't justify shelling out for another copy of a Dredd story I wont read.

However, a collection in Hardback, fortnightly, with Bad Company, Kingdom, Red Seas, Halo Jones, Absolam(SP?)  Ace, and yes Ant Wars, and even my guilty secret Colony Earth, I'd get this.
 Ooo, How about tenuous 2000 AD material like The Angry Planet (its sequal, 'Mars Force' was earmarked for 2000AD) and Mind Wars?
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: JaHawkDroid 28 February, 2017, 12:43:10 AM
Fantastic news. The Mega Colelction is what brought me into the world of 2000AD, so an expansion upon it will be very much welcome.

Perhaps I should stop buying old trades for a while.
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: rogue69 28 February, 2017, 12:45:53 AM
I tried the link a couple times, but kept getting something called "bopgun support" asking for my name email address & company name so did not go any further. Is there a problem with the Hachette site?
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: Smith 28 February, 2017, 08:02:26 AM
That sounds interesting.
And I would love me some Red Seas.
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: Mattofthespurs 28 February, 2017, 09:11:24 AM
I tried the link a couple times, but kept getting something called "bopgun support" asking for my name email address & company name so did not go any further. Is there a problem with the Hachette site?

Same here.
Would love to see this in the shops.
I'm a complete sucker for these partworks. I'm collecting Dredd, DC, Marvel, Star Trek and the Doctor Who one but I can always find a few pennies for a 2000 AD one.
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: JaHawkDroid 28 February, 2017, 09:12:03 AM
Not sure if you can answer this Molch-R (probably not) but is this to be seen as a replacement to the Mega Collection as that winds down in the next year, or is this to run concurrently with the Mega Collection like Marvel Ultimate & Marvel's Mightiest do?

And do we know which regions this is testing in? Out of curiosity rather than any ability to travel  :lol:
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: Steve Green 28 February, 2017, 10:08:34 AM
They were pretty cagey about locations for the MC tests.

Hachette want to get an accurate reading of sales - I'm sceptical that in the age of social media that's ever going to happen, but that's what they're aiming for.
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: Pyroxian 28 February, 2017, 10:29:56 AM
Site's working for me. Looks like a great collection :)
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: Mattofthespurs 28 February, 2017, 10:45:34 AM
Site's working for me. Looks like a great collection :)

It is for me too now.

Looks awesome!
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: sheridan 28 February, 2017, 10:55:39 AM
I actually didn't notice that Steve had mentioned Ant Wars in the post before mine. Just shows you the demand is out there and that Rebellion have been going down the wrong route with the whole Judge Dredd thing.

There's only one thing for it - the Hachette Ant Wars collection (not sure that Ant Wars and Zancudo would stretch to 60/80 issues though, you'd have to publish one page per issue, with the rest taken up with behind-the-scenes material).
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: sheridan 28 February, 2017, 11:05:11 AM
However, a collection in Hardback, fortnightly, with Bad Company, Kingdom, Red Seas, Halo Jones, Absolam(SP?)  Ace, and yes Ant Wars, and even my guilty secret Colony Earth, I'd get this.

 Ooo, How about tenuous 2000 AD material like The Angry Planet (its sequal, 'Mars Force' was earmarked for 2000AD) and Mind Wars?

Absalom.  Didn't Colony Earth get republished relatively recently?  I'd back calls for Mind Wars to be republished as it's probably my favourite story by Redondo (though Nemesis Book II is also a fave) - and was happy to meet Jesus Redondo earlier this month and see how proud he was of that work.
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: Magnetica 28 February, 2017, 11:16:22 AM
  Didn't Colony Earth get republished relatively recently?

Yes it is in the Sci-Fi Thrillers volume.

I read it for the first time recently and it has to be in my bottom three ever 2000AD thrills.

It makes Death Planet look like Shakespeare.
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: Steve Green 28 February, 2017, 11:24:26 AM
I actually didn't notice that Steve had mentioned Ant Wars in the post before mine. Just shows you the demand is out there and that Rebellion have been going down the wrong route with the whole Judge Dredd thing.

There's only one thing for it - the Hachette Ant Wars collection (not sure that Ant Wars and Zancudo would stretch to 60/80 issues though, you'd have to publish one page per issue, with the rest taken up with behind-the-scenes material).

I mentioned it as a bundle with Shako - in a Man vs Nature themed one, not sure what that would run to though.
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: JaHawkDroid 28 February, 2017, 11:26:19 AM
Has anyone tried subscribing? What would happen if I were to subscribe and then not be in the test area?
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: rogue69 28 February, 2017, 11:32:08 AM
website is now working for me to, so I've now signed up only thing I'm not keen on with the free gifts is the hipflask.

Good choice for the first 4 Slaine the Horned God, The Ballad of Halo Jones, Shakara the Avenger & Strontium Dog the Kreeler Conspiracy
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: Arkwright99 28 February, 2017, 11:53:43 AM
I can see the first volume being The Ballad of Halo Jones (with an Ian Gibson cover).
The website says that "Each hardback book has an exclusive cover especially designed for the collection". Given that that cover (and the others on display) have all appeared elsewhere, I'd assume that they're merely placeholders rather than what will actually appear on the books?

Unless 'exclusive' means something different for Hachette than how I've been using the word all these years.
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: IndigoPrime 28 February, 2017, 12:00:15 PM
Exclusive design doesn't necessarily mean new artwork. (Plus these things sometimes change between the preview issues and the final ones.)
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: JaHawkDroid 28 February, 2017, 12:06:58 PM
I took exclusive design to mean the set out of Artwork, with a left hand title strip and an emphasised character logo in the top left.

Same way the exclusive design on mega collection is the black and white with red highlights

Though I still wish they'd put the book title on the spine like Eaglemoss did for DC. If I don't want to rifle through my shelves I need a spreadsheet when I want to read Mega Collection.  :lol:
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: The Legendary Shark 28 February, 2017, 12:35:30 PM

Though I still wish they'd put the book title on the spine like Eaglemoss did for DC. If I don't want to rifle through my shelves I need a spreadsheet when I want to read Mega Collection.  :lol:


^This.^ Or at least an index, either in the last volume or as a standalone addition.

New set looks fantastic. I just wish I had the room :(

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: JaHawkDroid 28 February, 2017, 12:40:22 PM

Though I still wish they'd put the book title on the spine like Eaglemoss did for DC. If I don't want to rifle through my shelves I need a spreadsheet when I want to read Mega Collection.  :lol:


^This.^ Or at least an index, either in the last volume or as a standalone addition.

New set looks fantastic. I just wish I had the room :(

I believe Hachette promised to release an official spreadsheet once the collection was complete, detailing volumes and exactly what's is contained within, but I wish they wouldn't make us wait for it. I'm relying on the Wikipedia page for now
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: abelardsnazz 28 February, 2017, 01:00:06 PM
I very excite. Any idea how long the trial period will be before it launches fully? Assuming the trial is successful of course, which hopefully it will be....
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: Tomwe 28 February, 2017, 01:04:14 PM
Oh man we have been gagging for this since the launch of the JDMC. I really hope it can be timed to launch at the conclusion of the existing one since I've just signed up to Transformers. These were both basically my gateway into comics fandom and so I want to be able to enjoy them all without breaking the bank!

Such great news!
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: JaHawkDroid 28 February, 2017, 01:07:18 PM
Oh man we have been gagging for this since the launch of the JDMC. I really hope it can be timed to launch at the conclusion of the existing one since I've just signed up to Transformers. These were both basically my gateway into comics fandom and so I want to be able to enjoy them all without breaking the bank!

Such great news!

JDMC is due to wrap around February next year, so I would expect 2ADUC to launch August/January depending on which partwork cycle they aim for.
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: Mattofthespurs 28 February, 2017, 01:09:44 PM
Has anyone tried subscribing? What would happen if I were to subscribe and then not be in the test area?

I've subscribed.
In the past I have subscribed to test runs not being held in my area, the most recent being Build an R2-D2, and usually I get the first 3 or 4 issues before getting a letter telling me the series is being put on hold until the future (in R2-D2's case it was 8 months). As a thank you I have normally got a few free issues when it re-starts.
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: Richard 28 February, 2017, 01:10:19 PM
I suppose reading Ant Wars as a child in 1978 might have been a rather different experience to reading it as a teenager in the 1990s, as I did. So I can now understand why some people feel nostalgic about it. But if they saw it again, it might not live up to their expectations.
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: JaHawkDroid 28 February, 2017, 01:14:03 PM
Has anyone tried subscribing? What would happen if I were to subscribe and then not be in the test area?

I've subscribed.
In the past I have subscribed to test runs not being held in my area, the most recent being Build an R2-D2, and usually I get the first 3 or 4 issues before getting a letter telling me the series is being put on hold until the future (in R2-D2's case it was 8 months). As a thank you I have normally got a few free issues when it re-starts.

In that case I have now subscribed. Let's see how this works out
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: Colin YNWA 28 February, 2017, 01:15:24 PM
I suppose reading Ant Wars as a child in 1978 might have been a rather different experience to reading it as a teenager in the 1990s, as I did. So I can now understand why some people feel nostalgic about it. But if they saw it again, it might not live up to their expectations.

Wow cool we're still talking about Ant Wars - how did that happen?

Anyway since we are I can confirm I read it as a little 'un and loved it and read it again only the other month and still loved it... that's not a popularly held opinion I accept but its mine and I cherish it!

If people would like we could start a whole new thread discussing the virtues or otherwise of the strip? It seems to be getting more attention now that it has for years and if Hachette nipped in here to use the Forum as a barometer of what fans are interested it it might yet actually appear in the series!
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: Magnetica 28 February, 2017, 01:26:32 PM
I read Ant Wars in an extreme edition a few years back. As a child I had been vaguely aware of it and it was the kind of thing that put me off 2000AD before I saw the light. After reading it, my feelings were very much "is that it?".

On this collection as a whole, I am swaying between being very excited to thinking how am I going to find the time and storage for it. Not to mention the money. There are things I already have and won't double dip on (I'm not counting the original Progs in saying that) and other things I would buy, most notably Nemesis if it had colour centre spreads restored ( if you count the Deviant Edition that will be a treble dip), and stuff I only have in Prog format I could be tempted to buy e.g.  Bits of Slaine I don't have GNs of, Halo Jones, DR and Quinch, Ace Trucking, Savage, Nikolai Dante ( the ones currently not in print).
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: JaHawkDroid 28 February, 2017, 01:41:38 PM
The collection itself comes at a perfect time for me to be honest. I started reading Dredd with the Mega collection, and 2000AD with Prog 1999/2000, and have only bought 2 Agency Files and stickleback, and a futureshock collection, outside of JDMC & Progs. So this is basically a dream come true for me at a perfect time - before I risk seriously double-dipping.

That is assuming, of course, that the 2000AD collection won't duplicate anything found in JDMC? Perhaps more recent series like Enceladus or Every Empire could find a home in the 2000AD set.

By the by, has anyone looked at the spine art by the Langley Droid? Does it appear strange to anyone else that Dredd & Alpha are so off-centre? Almost as if they are planning an extension already... (getting in early on the speculation here)
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: Tomwe 28 February, 2017, 01:42:15 PM
Oh man we have been gagging for this since the launch of the JDMC. I really hope it can be timed to launch at the conclusion of the existing one since I've just signed up to Transformers. These were both basically my gateway into comics fandom and so I want to be able to enjoy them all without breaking the bank!

Such great news!

JDMC is due to wrap around February next year, so I would expect 2ADUC to launch August/January depending on which partwork cycle they aim for.

Didn't realise they launched partworks in August, but think the Transformers one tested in the latter half of the year before launching Dec/Jan, so maybe that could happen.

As far as what I'd like to see, the website has the classics! Chuffed to see DR & Quinch, Shakara & starting with Horned God is genius. I see Stickleback in the site too, Ace Trucking, Zombo, Rogue. I'd want to see Chris Weston's Indigo Prime for sure! Bad Company too! Whoop!

I'm one of those lapsed readers who returned to the prog thanks to the JDMC, and luckily I haven't gotten around to purchasing too many collections of classic runs (bar Mek Files 1&2 and Zenith ).

I will definitely be buying, unless they start this summer in which case I may be in trouble.
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: NapalmKev 28 February, 2017, 01:46:48 PM
A 2000AD partwork sounds good, but I'd like to see more than just the obvious stuff (Slaine/Dante). I'd hope that some of the Summer Offensive strips are included, although I'm probably in a minority on that one.

Cheers
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: Magnetica 28 February, 2017, 02:29:09 PM
So combine this with Rebellion's planned reprint schedule for the classic UK comics they have just acquired the rights for and there will literally be no time to sleep it's all looking very promising.
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: IndigoPrime 28 February, 2017, 03:10:33 PM
Someone needs a slap if they don't put some kind of series indicator on the spines, though. That's the one thing the Marvel collections did well over the Dredd one.
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: robert_ellis 28 February, 2017, 03:11:17 PM
I love the idea of this series - particularly if we get treated to the text pieces we've had in the MegaCollection. I'm sure (like last time) that the spine is a placeholder - it's garish and beautifully bonkers but I'd rather see more characters like Halo & Slaine. I love the character graphics - little has been given away in terms of how the series is split up. Will we see the entirety of story runs or greatest hits?
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: Dolman 28 February, 2017, 03:29:33 PM
Can't subscribe from France :( Looks like I'm going to pay twice the money via Amazon/eBay :D But it's worth it.
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: Mardroid 28 February, 2017, 03:46:11 PM
Hmm. I don't have the space or finance for this and it would involve some double dipping. It's tempting though, as these volumes are so nice and likely I'd just sell older volumes of material I already own, if I got these.

I may very well get the first volume though. I don't have Slaine: The Horned God, and what a bargain for that price!

That was my introduction to Slaine via Lewisham library.
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: Steve Green 28 February, 2017, 04:07:31 PM
I might have reconsidered the typeface/spacing on that all caps clint langley caption in the video, BTW.
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: James Stacey 28 February, 2017, 04:14:40 PM
Is Dredd going to be included ? I dont really want to quintuple dip on stuff :)
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: Steve Green 28 February, 2017, 04:17:18 PM
Well there's some Dredd imagery in there.

Maybe stuff that fell through the cracks/didn't fit in the Mega Collection?

Still a way off though, it's still at the testing phase.
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: Timothy 28 February, 2017, 04:20:44 PM
There is a page from the Dredd/PJ gingerbread man story on the website, and that has definitely already been in the Mega Collection.
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: Steve Green 28 February, 2017, 04:24:35 PM
I suspect that's just placeholder, it still has to run through the test phase. I seem to recall with the Mega Collection there was the offer of getting the test run copies replaced when it went to the full run?
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: James Stacey 28 February, 2017, 04:41:26 PM
nah you just get the new copies as well.
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: Tomwe 28 February, 2017, 04:59:47 PM
I'm wondering whether it will be one 'intro to dredd' book with his first story, suspiciously absent from the JDMC, along with some other choice classics. Then Dark Justice for sure.

With only (!) 80 books and so many characters to cover, Dredd will have to be limited.
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: matty_ae 28 February, 2017, 05:11:39 PM
I'll say it - I hope that spine art isn't final.

It's a little bit ugly and harsh for the bookshelf. I know they changed the original Chris Weston spine off the Mega Collection but I want something a bit lighter and character led.

I do love Clint Langley but that isn't for a front room bookshelf.
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: Mattofthespurs 28 February, 2017, 05:31:00 PM
I'll say it - I hope that spine art isn't final.

It's a little bit ugly and harsh for the bookshelf. I know they changed the original Chris Weston spine off the Mega Collection but I want something a bit lighter and character led.

I do love Clint Langley but that isn't for a front room bookshelf.

I'll be honest and hope that this is the spine. I think it's lovely. But then mine will be shelved in my man cave and not the front room (living room, parlour, depending on how old you are. Mine's not in the front so I call it the living room).
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: moly 28 February, 2017, 06:30:48 PM
Wasn't going to go for this due to space issues but couldn't resist when I saw the website, looks like their will be a load of older novels going on eBay soon
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: Dandontdare 28 February, 2017, 06:46:24 PM
I tried the link a couple times, but kept getting something called "bopgun support" asking for my name email address & company name so did not go any further. Is there a problem with the Hachette site?

Me too - can anyone post a link that works? How do I find out if I'm in the amsple area?
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: Mattofthespurs 28 February, 2017, 07:09:09 PM
I tried the link a couple times, but kept getting something called "bopgun support" asking for my name email address & company name so did not go any further. Is there a problem with the Hachette site?

Me too - can anyone post a link that works? How do I find out if I'm in the amsple area?

Don't know what the sample area (or is it amsple area?  ;)) is but the website works for me now.
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: sheridan 28 February, 2017, 07:14:31 PM
I've subscribed.
In the past I have subscribed to test runs not being held in my area, the most recent being Build an R2-D2, and usually I get the first 3 or 4 issues before getting a letter telling me the series is being put on hold until the future (in R2-D2's case it was 8 months). As a thank you I have normally got a few free issues when it re-starts.

Was that just the test run of R2-D2 on hold?  Just asking cause I saw my first copies in the wild today (at FB in Shaftesbury Avenue).
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: robert_ellis 28 February, 2017, 07:15:35 PM
I've subscribed - I remember last time receiving the first 4 books with the Chris Weston spine before them all being replaced with the Patrick Goddard one. Maybe there's still a chance of that Chris Weston art reappearing. I'd much rather see the whole range of characters - this spine would actually stop me stocking around past the free gifts. Ideally I'd love the spine to match the MegaCollection. Let's see what Halo, Dante, Zenith & Skizz look like in the in the identity parade. Assuming many of the MegaCollection subscribers would collect this too it would make sense to have a sympathetic look to both series.
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: sheridan 28 February, 2017, 07:16:29 PM
I tried the link a couple times, but kept getting something called "bopgun support" asking for my name email address & company name so did not go any further. Is there a problem with the Hachette site?

Me too - can anyone post a link that works? How do I find out if I'm in the amsple area?

Don't know what the sample area (or is it amsple area?  ;) ) is but the website works for me now.

And thus were words like scrotnig were born (I think scrotnig had been 'escorting').
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Tony Angelino 28 February, 2017, 07:21:40 PM
Yes. I've read that somewhere as well (or else it was in a Pat Mills interview on ECBT). I think Gerry Finley-Day was the source of many of the spelling slip-ups.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Dandontdare 28 February, 2017, 07:22:28 PM
Sorted now!  :D

They're really going all out with the free gifts aren't they?
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Tony Angelino 28 February, 2017, 07:30:39 PM
I thought the spine art on the Mega Collection wasn't great. It wasn't enough to make me want to keep some of the weaker volumes. Had it been Chris Weston I might have been tempted but in reality I probably don't have space for the whole thing anyway.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: sheridan 28 February, 2017, 07:38:44 PM
I might have reconsidered the typeface/spacing on that all caps clint langley caption in the video, BTW.

I didn't watch the video as my computer is only slightly less old and decrepit as myself, but is it the usual Clint problem (that has led to that name being pretty much off-limits to fictional comic characters)? 
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Tony Angelino 28 February, 2017, 07:42:42 PM
Right, I've just checked out the website for the 2000AD collection.

I had recently cancelled the Mega Collection in a rage over the inclusion of Sleaze n' Ryder and other 1990's nonsense but it looks like this is going to take its place. Again I don't think the spine art is up to much but this looks great. Gibson's cover to #2 looks fantastic. I take it that is old artwork from him?
: Re: New Hachette tests
: IndigoPrime 28 February, 2017, 08:16:33 PM
I'm not keen on the spine either. It's basically ABC Warriors with Dredd and Strontium Dog lobbed in there. Could do with more characters. Could do with any women. That said, they could have a drunk John Wagner do the spine in the crayon and I'd still be tempted by these books.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Steve Green 28 February, 2017, 08:44:14 PM
I might have reconsidered the typeface/spacing on that all caps clint langley caption in the video, BTW.

I didn't watch the video as my computer is only slightly less old and decrepit as myself, but is it the usual Clint problem (that has led to that name being pretty much off-limits to fictional comic characters)?

Yep, not really helped by the curve of the L either.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: opaque 28 February, 2017, 09:16:51 PM
The spine art sucks ;)
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Steve Green 28 February, 2017, 09:22:16 PM
I hope they publish that Gordon Rennie Dredd with a lot of nerds talking about spine graphics.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: robert_ellis 28 February, 2017, 09:22:57 PM
Judging from the questionnaire for issue 1 readers, the running order hasn't been finalized. If they are asking for readers' favourite characters & stories, and to put storylines in order of preference, it would lead me to think a new spine would be comissioned to reflect the characters included. Or I could be completely wrong. Maybe everyone else loves chunky robots and chiselled chins! In reality I'd probably buy this series if it's of similar quality to the Mega Collection. But let's please have an index to both series!!!
: Re: New Hachette tests
: IndigoPrime 28 February, 2017, 09:45:08 PM
You already have issue one?
: Re: New Hachette tests
: robert_ellis 28 February, 2017, 09:46:45 PM
Just looking at the questionnaire on the website...
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Tony Angelino 28 February, 2017, 10:01:51 PM
I haven't followed ABC Warriors in recent years but who or what is the big robot thing with the horns next to Deadlock?

The spine only features characters from 3 different strips. Outrage. Why no Ant Wars?
: Re: New Hachette tests
: IndigoPrime 28 February, 2017, 10:05:19 PM
Just looking at the questionnaire on the website...
Do you mean the poll? Not sure I'd read too much into that.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: robert_ellis 28 February, 2017, 10:28:03 PM
No the questionnaire for readers of issue 1 - the one with the £50 Amazon prize. I reckon they want the feedback. Although judging by the board they just need to reprint Ant Wars every 2 weeks!
: Re: New Hachette tests
: JaHawkDroid 28 February, 2017, 10:37:19 PM
Is the Chris Weston spine art for JDMC anywhere online? Curious at what could have been...

I'm ridiculously excited for this collection. Like, more excited than the Mega Collection made me.
Hoping for some of the more obscure classics to be popped in there.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: robert_ellis 28 February, 2017, 10:43:17 PM
The Chris Weston art was a version of prog 1771's cover I think...
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-R62veHPnAi0/UOdLaAhI9-I/AAAAAAAAGdg/GHWJrEY2JEo/s1600/2012+vote+2b.jpg
: Re: New Hachette tests
: JaHawkDroid 28 February, 2017, 11:28:27 PM
The Chris Weston art was a version of prog 1771's cover I think...
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-R62veHPnAi0/UOdLaAhI9-I/AAAAAAAAGdg/GHWJrEY2JEo/s1600/2012+vote+2b.jpg

Ahhh, thank you!
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Dash Decent 01 March, 2017, 02:16:06 AM
only thing I'm not keen on with the free gifts is the hipflask.

Obviously their research shows there's a massive secret drinker demographic in the 2000AD fan base.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: JOE SOAP 01 March, 2017, 02:19:47 AM


The 40th blew any secret.

: Re: New Hachette tests
: Dash Decent 01 March, 2017, 02:20:14 AM
So combine this with Rebellion's planned reprint schedule for the classic UK comics they have just acquired the rights for and there will literally be no time to sleep it's all looking very promising.

They could solve it all by forgetting the "2000AD collection" and making this new line the "IPC Fleetway collection".
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Tomwe 01 March, 2017, 09:41:09 AM
Here's the link to the survey: https://www.surveymonkey.co.uk/r/FMWVWGR
They ask lots of the right questions I think. They also mention Dark Justice as a possible to include, which would suggest they are definitely not extending the JDMC.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: JaHawkDroid 01 March, 2017, 09:52:37 AM
Interesting that the survey is offering a digital edition of the collection as a potential subscription gift - that would certainly be an interesting development for a partwork.

I'm quite glad the Mega Collection isn't apparently getting an extension. This 2000AD collection gives Hachette the flexibility to release titles that could have been part of an extension (Enceladus, Dark Justice, etc) but interspersed with other classics. It's a much wider variety of story.

The only thing that worries me about this is the potential for having to double dip on stories. For example, let's say the Strontium Dog volumes includes the post-Final Solution stories, and then one or two earlier tales. It would mean having to get Agency Files as well. If it is to be an Ultimate Collection, it needs to be very focused on what it is and isn't providing from the start. With such a wide library, I don't want it to go the JDMC route of only announcing volumes when they arrive with subscribers.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: IndigoPrime 01 March, 2017, 09:59:15 AM
That's the rub, isn't it? That punt regarding what you're going to get on investing 800 quid. A third of Nikolai Dante, for example, wouldn't really cut it for me, but I'd happily see Sláine stop at Horned God. Many others, I suspect, would vehemently disagree with that line of thinking. I suppose it's impossible to know how patchy such a partwork will be. Certainly, 2000 AD has the potential to be more coherent than, say, Marvel, simply due to having less material to select from. Even so, while 80 volumes can house most of what people would consider the better Dreddworld strips, the same page count will have a tougher job with 'everything else 2000 AD has ever run'. I both do and don't envy Matt Smith in this particular task (assuming he's making the selections again).
: Re: New Hachette tests
: TordelBack 01 March, 2017, 10:11:48 AM
... I'd happily see Sláine stop at Horned God.

There is zero chance that some fraction of the hundreds of pages of lush full-colour Fabry/Power/Staples/Langley Slaine stories will be overlooked in this collection, while there is a reasonable chance that the superior B&W era of the strip will struggle for space. Personally I'll probably be cherry picking again - Stickleback, Shakara, Kingdom and The War Machine.. Yes please!  Hopes of a complete Red Seas or Sinister Dexter are not even to be entertained, sadly.

However, while I really don't need another even-smaller copy of Horned God, those lavish freebies might be enough to lure me into an initial sub. The Rosette of Speyside in particular appeals.

But sort out the spine art please chaps.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: rogue69 01 March, 2017, 11:58:40 AM
that robot is Steelhorn who got turned into the mess & got remade back by the plant mars
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Molch-R 01 March, 2017, 02:14:27 PM
Many thanks to those of you who've dropped me a line about securing copies. Once I have word from Hachette on stock levels we'll work out what we can do.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Mattofthespurs 01 March, 2017, 02:29:34 PM
Many thanks to those of you who've dropped me a line about securing copies. Once I have word from Hachette on stock levels we'll work out what we can do.

Good man. Thanks  :)
: Re: New Hachette tests
: shaolin_monkey 01 March, 2017, 02:42:29 PM
only thing I'm not keen on with the free gifts is the hipflask.

Obviously their research shows there's a massive secret drinker demographic in the 2000AD fan base.



The 40th blew any secret.

:D
: Re: New Hachette tests
: JamesC 01 March, 2017, 02:55:53 PM
I've subscribed and filled in the survey.
I think it looks really good and the choices for the first 4 titles are excellent.
It's always a bit of a gamble signing up for something like this. I know I'll be paying for stuff I don't like but the hope is that the good stuff will outweigh the bad - such is life for a 2000ad fan - it's always been that way. There's so much great stuff to collect that this seems like about as safe a bet possible.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: JaHawkDroid 01 March, 2017, 03:39:50 PM
Many thanks to those of you who've dropped me a line about securing copies. Once I have word from Hachette on stock levels we'll work out what we can do.

Marvellous. Thank you, kind PR Droid.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Bolt-01 01 March, 2017, 03:48:01 PM
Marvellous. Thank you, kind PR Droid.

There's a 'kind' PR droid? Has anyone warned Molch-R?
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Richard 01 March, 2017, 08:29:27 PM
Don't worry, it's only a matter of hours before Molch-R short-circuits him and sells him for scrap.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: moly 01 March, 2017, 08:56:06 PM
That Chris Weston art would looking great for this collection
: Re: New Hachette tests
: The Monarch 01 March, 2017, 08:58:34 PM
i hope if they do eurocrash for this collection they include ALL of it unlike the actual trade and rebellion wondered why no one bought anymore sindex trades....seriously
: Re: New Hachette tests
: abelardsnazz 02 March, 2017, 01:07:56 PM
In anticipation of this becoming a full and proper thing, what are the essential and wished-for stories that should be included? A starter for ten:

Essentials:
Dredd: Judge Whitey, Robot Wars, UnAmerican Graffiti, Pirates of the Black Atlantic, Dark Justice, Enceladus.
Strontium Dog: Portrait of a Mutant, Outlaw, Max Bubba, Rage.
Rogue Trooper: a selection of early stories showcasing the art of Gibbons, Ewins, Wilson, Kennedy and Ortiz. Cinnabar, The War Machine.
All of Nemesis.
Slaine: The Bride of Crom, Sky Chariots.
All of Zenith.
Indigo Prime: Killing Time
Cradlegrave

Wished for:
All of Bix Barton.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: robert_ellis 02 March, 2017, 01:27:35 PM
Essential:
Bad Company 1&2
All of Luke Kirby
Harry 20 on the high Rock
DR & Quinch
Skizz book 1
Strontium Dog: Bitch & The Rammy
Deadlock (in Nemesis book)
RoboHunter: Beast of Blackheart Manor, Filby Case, Killing of Kid, Football Crazy

Wished for
Absalom.
Big Dave.
Slaughterbowl
Firekind.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Smith 02 March, 2017, 02:00:56 PM
My wishlist would be something like:
Life and times of Middenface Mcnulty(catchy name?)
Tales from the Black museum
Red Seas
: Re: New Hachette tests
: TordelBack 02 March, 2017, 02:27:06 PM
Wow, when people start listing stories you realise what a nightmare planning this series out must be! And I thought that MegaCollection was an editorial head-wrecker! 

Red Seas is what, 750 pages? There's no point running just a bit of that, so that'd be 3 volumes minimum. But Dante is over 2000, so that's what, 7 or 8?  Zenith's about 400, 2 more volumes. So that's a dozen volumes on just three stories. Can't imagine we'll stretch to all that.

But ooooh, complete Caballistics!
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Magnetica 02 March, 2017, 03:46:27 PM
Off the top my head-

Ace Trucking
Calaballistics Inc
The VCs
Glimmer Rats
Sinister Dexter
Halo Jones
Nemesis with colour centre spreads
Slaine
Damnation Station
Robo Hunter Wagner Gibson original only
Grey Area
Kingdom
Junker
Rick Random
Sancho Panzer
Stainless Steel Rat (guessing possible rights issue)
Strontium Dog including Starlord colour spreads
Ten-Seconders
Mind Wars, Time Quake, Holocaust ( if we can have Starlord stuff)
Future shocks

(Ok not Junker)
: Re: New Hachette tests
: BPP 02 March, 2017, 03:49:38 PM
Lobster Random 1-3 plus The Vort.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Link Prime 02 March, 2017, 03:57:10 PM
Lobster Random 1-3 plus The Vort.

That'd be a great volume.

I'll be a cherry picker for this, as with The Mega Collection.
The dream of a complete Bix Barton hardback has never been closer.

: Re: New Hachette tests
: JamesC 02 March, 2017, 04:00:28 PM
I'd like to see some of the best stuff from the anuuals - text stories, droids favourite covers, how to draw Judge Dredd etc.
Not sure how they'd implement this - probably as back up content in relevant volumes.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: The Legendary Shark 02 March, 2017, 04:41:01 PM
MACH 1
Shako
So many stories - so few volumes!
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Davgardo 02 March, 2017, 04:49:38 PM
This looks really exciting and I hope it gets the go ahead. From my experiences with the mostly brilliant Dredd Collection I hope:

a) they sort out some of the repro problems with the older material.
b) they just put out what they think are the best strips and not have some agenda where they want as big a cross section as possible. The bane of the JD Collection is stuff like Sleaze n Ryder and Calhab Justice getting printed when there are far superior stories out there.

Exciting times. 
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Pyroxian 02 March, 2017, 05:01:07 PM
Pages in colour being reprinted in colour, and not in grey-scale / b&w...
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Apestrife 02 March, 2017, 06:07:19 PM
I'm thinking The Trip and Dead end -which were mentioned a while back on the Mega Collection facebook page- are likely to end up in this collection then.

Wow, when people start listing stories you realise what a nightmare planning this series out must be! And I thought that MegaCollection was an editorial head-wrecker! 

Red Seas is what, 750 pages? There's no point running just a bit of that, so that'd be 3 volumes minimum. But Dante is over 2000, so that's what, 7 or 8?  Zenith's about 400, 2 more volumes. So that's a dozen volumes on just three stories. Can't imagine we'll stretch to all that.

But ooooh, complete Caballistics!

Not to mention stories like Stickleback that more or less depends on there being an additional episode in the pipe, in order to top the story of in a way or such.

Love to sit and think and hope what sort of material they'll publish, not to mention how :)

To entertain the idea of Dark Justice getting included. I'm thinking either in a post DOC book (with Wagner stuff) or as a new Death collection that includes it, Deadworld as well as the upcoming Dominion.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: moly 02 March, 2017, 07:00:50 PM
Would love to see
Meltdown man
Stainless steel rat
Mean arena
Harry 20
The dead
Vc's
Diceman
And hopefully no filler
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Tony Angelino 02 March, 2017, 07:05:24 PM
The Complete Michael Fleisher.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: The Legendary Shark 02 March, 2017, 07:05:53 PM
Then there are all those Future Shocks, Time Twisters, Terror Tales and 3Rillers - possibly tailor-made fillers rather than stories to be collected.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: IndigoPrime 02 March, 2017, 07:28:28 PM
And hopefully no filler
But one man's filler…
: Re: New Hachette tests
: sheridan 02 March, 2017, 07:45:34 PM
RoboHunter: Beast of Blackheart Manor, Filby Case, Killing of Kid, Football Crazy
I suspect there's no chance that Football Crazy would be republished any time soon (the infamous Japanese stereotypes) - my list of Robo-Hunter goes as follows (off the top of my head):
: Re: New Hachette tests
: sheridan 02 March, 2017, 07:51:32 PM
I'd like to see some of the best stuff from the anuuals - text stories, droids favourite covers, how to draw Judge Dredd etc.
Not sure how they'd implement this - probably as back up content in relevant volumes.

The only text story that springs to mind is the one by Neil Gaiman, which obviously has commercial appeal...

McMahon's How to Draw Judge Dredd would make great back-up material, as would Ian Gibson's.  Were there any more?
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Steve Green 02 March, 2017, 08:01:59 PM
Day of the Droids.

The football crazy thing is interesting, I've not been keeping up with the mega collection, not sure if they reprinted Our Man in Hondo, or The Warlord.

Caricatures like the ones in Football Crazy are a lot more obvious.

It's the sort of thing that could be addressed in the volume, how attitudes have changed.

Endurance UK was, what 10 years later, and still had this...

(http://www.ukgameshows.com/p/images/1/17/Endurance_hokikoki.jpg)

I think when Darkie's Mob was reprinted there was an associated text article. But obviously Hachette is potentially a much bigger audience, so who knows?
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Tjm86 02 March, 2017, 08:23:49 PM
On the football crazy front all I can say is 'blakeee pentax!'.

As for the filler stuff, I have to admit the last few months of the mega collection have put me off this.  Much as I'd like to think that this would be great, there has been too much dross in that for my taste. Plus the repro on some of the issues has left a lot to be desired.  Father Earth for instance.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Pete Wells 02 March, 2017, 08:45:13 PM
I know it's creator owned and I already have it in other formats, but I'd like to see a nice, hardback Button man.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Rately 02 March, 2017, 09:46:23 PM
I know it's creator owned and I already have it in other formats, but I'd like to see a nice, hardback Button man.

That would be absolutely brilliant. Still vividly remember the first series when i'd first started reading 2000AD. Some of the Ranson art takes me back to my teenage years.

That cover with Harry in the target would make a lovely cover for a hardback.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: The Monarch 03 March, 2017, 03:42:51 AM
essential (to me discounting obvious long runners like nemesis, dante, stront ect

invasion
harry 20
vcs (old and new)
sinister dexter (know it counts as long runner but it would be nice to have it all in one place)
Red seas (same)
leviathan

wish for

canon fodder (because of course i want it in hardback :P)
Tyranny rex
time house
a book of tharg strips (is there enough?)

: Re: New Hachette tests
: Smith 03 March, 2017, 07:28:33 AM
a book of tharg strips (is there enough?)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tharg_the_Mighty#Comic_strips (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tharg_the_Mighty#Comic_strips)
I think its probably enough for a volume or two.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: JLC 03 March, 2017, 08:54:26 AM
Is this out now?
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Mattofthespurs 03 March, 2017, 11:34:07 AM
Is this out now?

Don't believe so.
It's being released in some selected test areas around the country.
Don't think it's actually in those areas yet but I could be wrong.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: JaHawkDroid 03 March, 2017, 01:06:22 PM
Has anyone heard confirmation of subscription yet? It said 3 days, but I've got nothing yet haha
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Mardroid 03 March, 2017, 02:17:33 PM
I wasn't sure we even could subscribe yet, considering Molch-r's posts. I know there's a link on-site, where we can enter details, but I wonder if they're taking the information there yet. Response messages are easily automated.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Mattofthespurs 03 March, 2017, 02:58:09 PM
Has anyone heard confirmation of subscription yet? It said 3 days, but I've got nothing yet haha

I received confirmation twice. Once on originally subscribing and then a further email just now with a subscription number.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: JaHawkDroid 03 March, 2017, 03:04:28 PM
Has anyone heard confirmation of subscription yet? It said 3 days, but I've got nothing yet haha

I received confirmation twice. Once on originally subscribing and then a further email just now with a subscription number.

Yeah I literally just got the same thing, confirming what comes with what delivery and prices etc + giving me a subscriber number. Exciting times now
: Re: New Hachette tests
: aceface11 04 March, 2017, 10:21:50 AM
Echo the comments about the spine artwork. It doesn't really feel encompassing like the Mega Collection. Needs far more characters and change of colour palette!

Also want Canon Fodder...  😅

How about a collection of Vector 13/with Black Light
Finn
Harlem Heroes (would that make me unpopular?!)
Mazeworld
Bad Company is a must

Matt
: Re: New Hachette tests
: NapalmKev 04 March, 2017, 10:43:30 AM

Also want Canon Fodder...  😅

How about a collection of Vector 13
Finn
Mazeworld
Bad Company is a must



Hell yeah! But I think we're straying into wishful thinking territory. Most of the collection will probably be swallowed up by Dante and Slaine which, while exceedingly popular, are not exactly my favorite's.

While I'm here I'll repeat my desire for the 'Summer Offensive (or at least some of it) to appear in the collection.

Cheers
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Trent 04 March, 2017, 11:23:49 AM
I think this is the problem with such a collection. It seems inevitable that Dante, Slaine, Rogue Trooper, Strontium Dog and ABC Warriors/Robusters/Nemesis will absorb a large proportion of the 80 volumes.
Halo Jones was always going to get an early debut and Shakara is a neat choice for volume 3.
Just hope there is enough room for some of the stories other boarders have mentioned but clearly this is a collection that could happily run way beyond 80 volumes without any drop in quality. The only issue there is the likelihood that complete runs may be split between the core set and any extension. Getting ahead of myself anyway.

Have subscribed even though I have most 2000AD reprints I could want, just to see the quality and gifts for what is only a trial run after all.

Agree re spine art in that it is both inadequate and lopsided.

Not sure re inclusion of Dredd but it might be an opportunity to cover newer stories such as Dark Justice and use Dredd as the back up in volumes to fill out the page count. Might give the opportunity to include some of the glaring omissions from his own collection. Not sure I like the idea of rifling through dozens of volumes to track down the odd story mind. Far more likely to restrict Dredd and use Future Shocks etc as filler.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: moly 04 March, 2017, 11:28:04 AM
Think they should try and not have more than 3 or4 issues with the same character, this is a great opportunity to have stuff in hardback that would never come out, hope they do meltdown man
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Richard 04 March, 2017, 01:19:30 PM
It would be wrong to have no Dredd at all in a collection of 2000AD stories. Not everyone who collects this series will also have collected the Dredd series. So he should be represented in a volume or two (not necessarily a whole one), just not with stories that have appeared already in the Mega-Collection.

Of course major series like Slaine and Rogue Trooper will be featured heavily, but I hope there is also rom for some of the more obscure ones which are still of good quality, like Firekind or The Dead for example.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: walrus 04 March, 2017, 05:06:59 PM
Yeah, I would like to see Firekind and The Dead in this collection. There are a lot of stories of this kind which could give the collection plenty of variety and provide a far better overview of the history of the comic.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Leigh S 04 March, 2017, 05:31:30 PM
I would assume the "major" series are going to get a sampler approach, so they dont overlap with the Rebellion reprints and may even encourage crossover sales of the Rebellion line, or indeed the prog if they include stories still on-going such as Kingdom etc.  I suspect we will see something similar to the Mega-Collection, where stories we might not otherwise have expected turn up and there is a biase towards colour/ newer stories
: Re: New Hachette tests
: IndigoPrime 04 March, 2017, 05:48:58 PM
If they do follow a position similar to the Marvel comics in that regard, I do hope the 2000 AD Collection is better at dealing with synopses. That's been one of the few weaknesses of the Dredd books – in the Anderson volumes, you leap forwards a big way, without no indication of what's happened in-between. (Shimura had a similar problem, and there the books only made sense when you had both and flipped back and forth between them.)

The potted history would be great for lapsed readers, but I'm not sure I'd go for a subscription if that was how it turned out. Double-dipping for a complete hardback run of Nikolai Dante is a no-brainer. Double-dipping for a third of the story (say) doesn't really appeal. Hrng. I'm still very tempted by this whole thing, mind.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Dash Decent 05 March, 2017, 06:04:52 AM
I would assume the "major" series are going to get a sampler approach, so they dont overlap with the Rebellion reprints and may even encourage crossover sales of the Rebellion line

I hope so, but my feeling about the JD mega collection is that it has largely reprinted a host of trades I already have and I feel the new 2000AD collection will do the same.  The material is already scanned, prepped, grouped etc.  I know there a tweaks and twists, but every time there's a volume like "America", "Heavy Metal Dredd", "PJ Maybe" etc I have to tell myself this series is for people who haven't already been collecting the trades.

I'd love to hear that the 2000AD collection will bring out other material but I think it's going to be the same  - here's Halo Jones, here's Robohunter, here's DR & Quinch, here's Kingdom etc.  I'd be more excited if each volume had a mix of different stories, like a hard cover prog (or like an Annual, in fact!) but there's no way to make that work if they want to include complete stories, which I'm sure they do.

The free gifts are a little tempting, though I'm more tempted by the survey's suggestion of offering figurines with the books.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: matty_ae 05 March, 2017, 08:51:53 AM
I just hope they finally reprint Bolland's "Dark Judges'
That stuff never gets an outing.

8-)


: Re: New Hachette tests
: robert_ellis 05 March, 2017, 06:14:36 PM
Reprinting the Bolland Moon material with Darkside & other moon stories was a bit inspired. Hopefully this series can pack out volumes with suitable time-twisters & future shocks to make these collection fresh. I'd love to see the Steve Yeowell/Gaiman future shock with zenith...
: Re: New Hachette tests
: O Lucky Stevie! 06 March, 2017, 12:22:21 AM
Stevie, for one, would be chuffed with a Compleat Smithverse - ie all of Indigo Prime, Tyranny Rex plus Fervent & Lobe, given the scattershot appearances of the stories  across the progs, Sci Fi Specials, Winter Specials & the Yearbooks
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Rately 06 March, 2017, 10:23:38 AM
Stevie, for one, would be chuffed with a Compleat Smithverse - ie all of Indigo Prime, Tyranny Rex plus Fervent & Lobe, given the scattershot appearances of the stories  across the progs, Sci Fi Specials, Winter Specials & the Yearbooks

I'll second that.

Would love to have all of the above in lovely hardbacks.

Really hoping that the volumes start shipping soon as i'll finally get to read The Horned God, and get to finally see what all the fuss is about this Bisley fella!  ;)
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Trent 06 March, 2017, 11:56:53 AM
Tis indeed bizarre. I have the hardback full size edition of The Horned God but am STILL looking forward to seeing ths version.
I think I am just an obsessive collector and love the idea of things steadily building up into a complete whole.
Makes me a sucker for partworks unfortunately.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Rately 06 March, 2017, 02:41:24 PM
Tis indeed bizarre. I have the hardback full size edition of The Horned God but am STILL looking forward to seeing ths version.
I think I am just an obsessive collector and love the idea of things steadily building up into a complete whole.
Makes me a sucker for partworks unfortunately.

Obsessive indeed. I can't abide having missing issues, and even as a digital reader now, I still can't resist picking up old 2000AD progs in local fleamarkets.

I missed out on the JDMC partworks, which is now costing me an arm and a leg to put right, so I'm all over the 2000AD collection.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Richard 06 March, 2017, 03:31:31 PM
I have a complete set of Case Files and Restricted Files, so collecting the Mega-Collection didn't appeal to me. But I did take the opportunity to replace my old volume of The Complete PJ Maybe with the more up to date volume from the Mega-Collection which contains the more recent stories.

I won't collect the new Hachette collection, but I'll still keep an eye on what comes out in case there's anything I want as a one-off purchase.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Trent 06 March, 2017, 04:34:19 PM
Richard, you are a man of discernment and impressive self control. What are you doing around here?
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Richard 06 March, 2017, 04:46:37 PM
I wandered in here by mistake and couldn't find my way out.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Trent 06 March, 2017, 04:49:36 PM
I think there's a lot of that about.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Taryn Tailz 06 March, 2017, 10:39:59 PM
This collection could be a way of getting complete reprints of stories that were previously missing their endings in trade format, such as 'Caballistics Inc' or 'Atavar'.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Smith 07 March, 2017, 05:46:40 AM
Same problem as a lot of people here-I have a lot of the material already in different collections.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Trent 07 March, 2017, 09:35:52 AM
A lot depends on how series break down into 180 to 200 page chunks. Caballistics doesn't quite do 2 volumes so perhaps with back up stories but not great. Absalom would fit nearly a volume etc.
Atavar is 132 pages so something else would be needed.
Be interesting to see how they approach it with regards shorter/split series in volumes which Rebellion have happily just issued in thinner trades.
Kingdom could be good as the Hachette volumes would likely have 3 stories each rather than the 2 per trade currently and the recent 60 to 65 page run of stories in the prog with new stories every 12 issues or so may work well for the collection with 3 'books' per volume.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Pyroxian 07 March, 2017, 09:53:06 AM
Can I put a vote in for a Dice-man volume please :)
: Re: New Hachette tests
: robert_ellis 07 March, 2017, 03:09:36 PM
I'd love to see the Diceman material - those 5 issues were great!
: Re: New Hachette tests
: JLC 07 March, 2017, 08:33:53 PM
Has anyone actually seen these elusive tomes?
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Steve Green 07 March, 2017, 08:36:33 PM
Someone picked Slaine up on ebay.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: JLC 07 March, 2017, 09:08:52 PM
Oh...
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Steve Green 07 March, 2017, 09:31:24 PM
(https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/17156183_10154273177352201_5485612301637861104_n.jpg?oh=5049f1df45e7da0bc58b1862079ca373&oe=5966DFBC)

Says it's lovely looking.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: JaHawkDroid 07 March, 2017, 10:28:10 PM
The actual book appears nicer than the website makes it look
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Richard 07 March, 2017, 10:56:47 PM
That looks gorgeous!
: Re: New Hachette tests
: dazallen 08 March, 2017, 12:50:43 AM
Well it is obviously out, but does anyone have any idea of the test area?

Having been lucky to be in the right area for the Dredd trial, it was too much to hope that they would test this one here as well >:(
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Skullmo 08 March, 2017, 01:08:26 AM
Subscribed - a diceman book would be good
: Re: New Hachette tests
: abelardsnazz 14 March, 2017, 12:45:15 PM
Anyone encountered these on sale yet?
: Re: New Hachette tests
: NapalmKev 14 March, 2017, 12:46:39 PM
Anyone encountered these on sale yet?

Not in the Southwest. Or if they are I haven't seen them.

Cheers
: Re: New Hachette tests
: deanomoon 14 March, 2017, 10:07:25 PM
They have got them in Liverpool and surrounding areas I got mine in bootle👍👍
: Re: New Hachette tests
: CalHab 15 March, 2017, 08:27:22 AM
They have got them in Liverpool and surrounding areas I got mine in bootle👍👍

We appreciate every fan's interest in ensuring these tests are successful - WE want them to be successful too, but we also appreciate Hachette's concerns that people rushing into the test areas and bulk buying copies will skew their numbers and could put the viability of a national launch at risk. We and Hachette don't publicise these tests for that very reason.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: deanomoon 15 March, 2017, 09:03:33 AM
They have got them in Liverpool and surrounding areas I got mine in bootle👍👍

We appreciate every fan's interest in ensuring these tests are successful - WE want them to be successful too, but we also appreciate Hachette's concerns that people rushing into the test areas and bulk buying copies will skew their numbers and could put the viability of a national launch at risk. We and Hachette don't publicise these tests for that very reason.

I don't work for hachatte so I can post what I want and I can't imagine everyone traveling all over England to Liverpool to buy a £1.99 book🤔🤔🤔
: Re: New Hachette tests
: jabish 15 March, 2017, 09:23:40 AM
It'd be great to have a John Smith collection with Firekind, A love like blood, Cradlegrave and Slaughter bowl under one cover.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Rately 15 March, 2017, 09:47:10 AM
It'd be great to have a John Smith collection with Firekind, A love like blood, Cradlegrave and Slaughter bowl under one cover.

I loved Cradlegrave. Picked it up during a FP sale.

Has there ever been a sequel to the original?
: Re: New Hachette tests
: JaHawkDroid 15 March, 2017, 10:36:39 AM
Beginning to wonder when they will start sending Subscriber copies out...

Currently got my family on high alert for local newsagents to try and snag it! Ha  :lol:
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Rately 15 March, 2017, 11:10:24 AM
Beginning to wonder when they will start sending Subscriber copies out...

Currently got my family on high alert for local newsagents to try and snag it! Ha  :lol:

Had a wee nosey in the local Easons today in Belfast. No luck.

I'm really looking forward to arriving home some evening and finding them in the letterbox!
: Re: New Hachette tests
: IndigoPrime 15 March, 2017, 02:59:11 PM
I loved Cradlegrave. Picked it up during a FP sale. Has there ever been a sequel to the original?
Nope. John Smith's hardly the fastest of writers, sadly.

Beginning to wonder when they will start sending Subscriber copies out...
There's some possibility they won't, or they'll only send the first book. I recall one of these partworks (possibly Transformers) ended up with subs getting letters very rapidly that the entire test thing was done and they'd be contacted if and when it went to full series.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: JaHawkDroid 15 March, 2017, 10:31:12 PM
I loved Cradlegrave. Picked it up during a FP sale. Has there ever been a sequel to the original?
Nope. John Smith's hardly the fastest of writers, sadly.

Beginning to wonder when they will start sending Subscriber copies out...
There's some possibility they won't, or they'll only send the first book. I recall one of these partworks (possibly Transformers) ended up with subs getting letters very rapidly that the entire test thing was done and they'd be contacted if and when it went to full series.

That would be a shame. Here's hoping that's not the case.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Rately 15 March, 2017, 11:37:05 PM
I loved Cradlegrave. Picked it up during a FP sale. Has there ever been a sequel to the original?
Nope. John Smith's hardly the fastest of writers, sadly.

Beginning to wonder when they will start sending Subscriber copies out...
There's some possibility they won't, or they'll only send the first book. I recall one of these partworks (possibly Transformers) ended up with subs getting letters very rapidly that the entire test thing was done and they'd be contacted if and when it went to full series.

Cheers for the reply.

Hopefully he will get around to a sequel. John's stuff is fantastic.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: JaHawkDroid 23 March, 2017, 12:11:07 AM
A friend of mine picked up the Slaine book in his local newsagents the other day and posted it on to me after he read it, and it's a thing of beauty. Honest to god, I really hope this collection goes national - perhaps mores than the Dredd collection. An 80-book library of stories of this calibre would truly be a sight to behold. And the actual quality of the book is top-notch.

Overall, really looking forward to getting my hands on the rest of the test issues, and then - hopefully - the national release.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: iutley 23 March, 2017, 11:44:01 AM
Sadly for everyone looking forward to getting the test editions it looks like IndigoPrime is right. I tried adding my subscriber code to my online Hachette account this morning and kept getting an error message. An instant message window popped up after the 2nd attempt and I had a very pleasant chat with a guy from Hachette called Vincent.
Apparently my subscriber code isn't a subscriber code at all - it's for a one off purchase code that only applies to one book. There is no 2000AD collection at this point and so it is not possible to subscribe to it. Incidentally, the contact email in the subscription email doesn't exist either!
Time for everyone to get their fingers crossed for a full national launch!
: Re: New Hachette tests
: James Stacey 23 March, 2017, 12:54:37 PM
This was the same procedure they went with for the Dredd test run. I tried adding my subs code then and it wouldnt have it
: Re: New Hachette tests
: robert_ellis 23 March, 2017, 06:58:07 PM
I remember being sent the first 3 volumes of the Dredd test run and not being charged when I subscribed last time. Really hope this series goes ahead when the MegaCollection ends.
: New Hachette tests
: All-Comic.com 25 March, 2017, 04:25:55 PM
I am so in. I've been getting the Mega Collection from day one, all the way to Canada. So I so want more 2000 AD hardcovers!
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Michael Knight 25 March, 2017, 06:31:37 PM
I just know I'm going to end up buying this if it gets a national run.
Fair play to Rebellion and all the 2000ad crew. A few years back I subscribed to prog and meg as stockists were getting harder and harder to find. Now we not only have a successful Dredd part work going  strong around the world but the possibility of a 2000ad part work launching as well? Wow I mean truly WOW!
Can we dream of a Dredd/2000ad character figurine collection too?
Please Tharg the mighty! Make it happen!
: Re: New Hachette tests
: opaque 27 March, 2017, 07:57:45 PM
I would assume the "major" series are going to get a sampler approach, so they dont overlap with the Rebellion reprints and may even encourage crossover sales of the Rebellion line

I hope so, but my feeling about the JD mega collection is that it has largely reprinted a host of trades I already have and I feel the new 2000AD collection will do the same.  The material is already scanned, prepped, grouped etc.  I know there a tweaks and twists, but every time there's a volume like "America", "Heavy Metal Dredd", "PJ Maybe" etc I have to tell myself this series is for people who haven't already been collecting the trades.
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I'm not buying the normal trades now because I can't afford to get the Megacollection as well.
I'd rather get things I don't already have than the 4th or 5th edition of the same thing.
This could be a great way of getting some things that haven't come out before but you might have to wait a couple of years for that. Most will surely be just the big stories again.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: JUDGE BURNS 27 March, 2017, 09:37:36 PM
I'm still awaiting delivery of my first issues   :-(   wonder when ( or if ) they will arrive.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: JaHawkDroid 28 March, 2017, 05:39:58 PM
I'm still awaiting delivery of my first issues   :-(   wonder when ( or if ) they will arrive.

I have a feeling they won't at this point, honestly.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Mattofthespurs 28 March, 2017, 05:55:40 PM
I'm still awaiting delivery of my first issues   :-(   wonder when ( or if ) they will arrive.

I have a feeling they won't at this point, honestly.

Yep, me too.
Subbed but not expecting anything.
Just hoping that my willingness to sub will be enough, along with everyone else, to go ahead.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Michael Knight 28 March, 2017, 07:08:53 PM
Has anyone received these yet, as curiously they are on sale via ebay from various newsagents?????
: Re: New Hachette tests
: matty_ae 31 March, 2017, 11:24:08 AM
Is it likely that Hachette finish their store trial before dealing with subscribers?

So they print 3,000 test run of each of the four initial books Slaine / Halo / Shakara / Stornt
They continue to re-supply newsagents that sell out to work out capacity.

Then after the test, use all returns/unsupplied for the initial subscribers really just to keep them sweet knowing they will all have to be re-supplied when it goes live in Jan 18?

Just my theory.

: Re: New Hachette tests
: abelardsnazz 01 April, 2017, 10:29:28 AM
I couldn't wait any longer and in a fit of excitement bought the first three issues on ebay, and now have The Horned God and Halo Jones in front of me. THG is accompanied by a poster of Dredd, Alpha and Slaine by Brian Bolland. The promotional blurb lists future inclusions of ABC Warriors, Nemesis, Nikolai Dante, Rogue, Dredd, Durham Red, DR & Quinch, Ace Garp and Zombo.

The books themselves are the same size as the Mega Collection, just issue number, tooth logo and Clint Langley's art on the spine. THG is volume 32 and HJ 46. There are red endpapers as with the MC, intro by Matt Smith and story so far summaries. The title pages have images from the strips as opposed to the red on black style of the MC. No cover galleries to speak of in these volumes but there are articles by Stephen Jewell.

Any questions, fire away....
: Re: New Hachette tests
: vark 01 April, 2017, 11:14:16 AM
If someone can point me to a place on the internet where I can order the Slaine Horned God from France, it will make my day!
Also if someone is willing to take a copy for me at a newsstand to send it abroad don't hesitate to PM me!
Thanks in advance.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Dash Decent 02 April, 2017, 07:55:29 AM
THG is accompanied by a poster of Dredd, Alpha and Slaine by Brian Bolland.

Is it something new drawn specifically for this or a reprint?
: Re: New Hachette tests
: abelardsnazz 02 April, 2017, 10:08:07 AM
THG is accompanied by a poster of Dredd, Alpha and Slaine by Brian Bolland.

Is it something new drawn specifically for this or a reprint?

Looked it up and it's the cover of prog 1924.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: NapalmKev 02 April, 2017, 10:23:05 AM
The promotional blurb lists future inclusions of Durham Red, DR & Quinch, Ace Garp...


Oh dear! I realise these strips have their fans and that these are old-school Thrills but still. I suspect the whole collection is going to be swallowed up by a lot of things I don't like.

My dream of Summer Offensive Hardbacks will (probably) never happen.

Cheers
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Swerty 02 April, 2017, 10:45:04 AM
If someone can point me to a place on the internet where I can order the Slaine Horned God from France, it will make my day!
Also if someone is willing to take a copy for me at a newsstand to send it abroad don't hesitate to PM me!
Thanks in advance.

Search 2000ad ultimate collection on eBay uk
: Re: New Hachette tests
: vark 02 April, 2017, 10:52:52 AM
If someone can point me to a place on the internet where I can order the Slaine Horned God from France, it will make my day!
Also if someone is willing to take a copy for me at a newsstand to send it abroad don't hesitate to PM me!
Thanks in advance.

Search 2000ad ultimate collection on eBay uk
Thanks for the tip, I had searched ebay.uk yesterday lacking the word "ultimate"!
: Re: New Hachette tests
: moly 02 April, 2017, 12:46:58 PM
Checking my confirmation email from hatchette these should start to be sent out next week hopefully
: Re: New Hachette tests
: JaHawkDroid 12 April, 2017, 11:48:13 AM
I now have reason to believe we won't be officially receiving any books. Signing up for a subscription seems, in this case, to be more a registration of interest rather than an actual contract of payment/receipt of goods. That's not to say Hachette won't throw us a bone and send each of us a book or two from the test as thanks, but I don't think we're going to be receiving our subscriptions.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: terryworld 13 April, 2017, 04:27:51 AM
if anybody managed to pick up one of these "in the wild" or via ebay, can you pls do me a favour?
flip it over and have a look at the back. is there an australian price printed on it?
cheers!
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Swerty 13 April, 2017, 09:55:40 AM
No
: Re: New Hachette tests
: O Lucky Stevie! 13 April, 2017, 10:00:38 AM
No

ISRC the cover design hasn't been finalized with the test volumes...
: Re: New Hachette tests
: terryworld 13 April, 2017, 10:48:58 AM
No

ISRC the cover design hasn't been finalized with the test volumes...

fingers crossed, eh stevie?
PS: where did you get your carlos cover 40th special? LCS or thrill-merchant?
: Re: New Hachette tests
: O Lucky Stevie! 13 April, 2017, 10:55:11 AM
Adelaide Comics Centre (http://www.adelaidecomicscentre.com/) Terry.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: matty_ae 13 April, 2017, 05:13:03 PM
I now have reason to believe we won't be officially receiving any books. Signing up for a subscription seems, in this case, to be more a registration of interest rather than an actual contract of payment/receipt of goods. That's not to say Hachette won't throw us a bone and send each of us a book or two from the test as thanks, but I don't think we're going to be receiving our subscriptions.

No reason to think that JaHawk. This is exactly the same process the Dredd release went through. They released 4 books and it went very quiet. These collections always start in January so it was only ever going to be Jan 2018 anyway. Keep the faith.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: IndigoPrime 13 April, 2017, 06:49:51 PM
Some possibly inaccurate maths also suggests the current one ends on Jan 31, 2018, and so kicking off the new one in January would make sense. (A little bit of overlap to snare readers, but not so much that they feel it's too much expense to get both.)
: Re: New Hachette tests
: abelardsnazz 24 April, 2017, 09:40:24 PM
Got hold of issue 4, Strontium Dog: The Kreeler Conspiracy today, which includes a note stating this is the end of the test run and a free gift or refund is available if proof of purchase is sent. The cardboard backing states that issue 5 will be Dark Justice, so fingers crossed this will become a full thing.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: matty_ae 24 April, 2017, 10:34:49 PM
Is that a B&W story? Did they put in some colour stories as well?
: Re: New Hachette tests
: IndigoPrime 24 April, 2017, 11:12:23 PM
Kreeler Conspiracy is the first 'reboot' S/D tale and is in full colour.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: abelardsnazz 25 April, 2017, 07:09:28 AM
The volume also includes Blood Moon and The Headly Foot Job, both in colour too.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: IndigoPrime 25 April, 2017, 09:13:40 AM
Interesting, since that skips over Roadhouse and Tax Dodge, along with a couple of other tales. I'm still very tempted by this collection if it happens, but wondering how 'complete' certain series are going to be (rather than having two copies of Strontium Dog, etc., on the creaking living room shelves.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Tomwe 25 April, 2017, 09:46:43 AM
Interesting, since that skips over Roadhouse and Tax Dodge, along with a couple of other tales. I'm still very tempted by this collection if it happens, but wondering how 'complete' certain series are going to be (rather than having two copies of Strontium Dog, etc., on the creaking living room shelves.
I seriously doubt it's going to be Complete for each character. Sounds like they have cherry-picked a SD jumping on point. There will be even more questions for the FB page with this collection than with the JDMC!
: Re: New Hachette tests
: The Monarch 26 April, 2017, 02:21:31 PM
cherry picking would be a good way to go...hell could that get me a hardcover canon fod....nah never happen not in a millions years
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Mardroid 26 April, 2017, 06:15:57 PM
I still plan on getting all the JD books, but i think I'll cherry pick with this collection too, should it be published mainstream. I've all the Strontium Dog books ( minus the very latest) so i don't really want to double dip.

On the other hand I have only a few Dredd case file so happy to go the Hatchette for his stuff.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Swerty 27 April, 2017, 12:05:43 AM
Be nice to see a few rare deleted titles get a reprint in this collection like Savage or Invasion!
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Mattofthespurs 29 April, 2017, 09:13:52 AM
Well, that was a pleasant surprise.
This morning I had a large, heavy package delivered and within contained the first 4 issues of the Ultimate Collection.
A letter explaining that the series has been paused whilst they decide whether to continue or not at a later date and thanking me for my interest.
As a thank you they included the first 4 issues for which I have not been charged for.
What lovely fellows!  :D
: Re: New Hachette tests
: rogue69 29 April, 2017, 09:29:24 AM
just got my copies this morning along with a letter saying about the run being paused, I hope they look at the internet pre orders as well as the shop sells & restart it soon
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Mattofthespurs 29 April, 2017, 09:36:46 AM
just got my copies this morning along with a letter saying about the run being paused, I hope they look at the internet pre orders as well as the shop sells & restart it soon

Me too.
This was my first look at the books and they are very, very nice.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: JamesC 29 April, 2017, 09:52:24 AM
Me too. Four books and a lovely big poster! I'm really impressed with the quality.
Here are some pics for anyone who's interested:


(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e129/jimmyalpha2008/image_5.jpeg)

(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e129/jimmyalpha2008/image_6.jpeg)

(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e129/jimmyalpha2008/image_4.jpeg)

: Re: New Hachette tests
: moly 29 April, 2017, 10:42:24 AM
Argh waiting for my postman to turn up now fingers crossed
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Geoff 29 April, 2017, 10:57:03 AM
I just collected mine from the Post Office, what nice surprise! Books are lovely and great customer service.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: moly 29 April, 2017, 12:01:09 PM
Received mine,  very impressed with the quality they just need to chase the spine image, can't wait to they hopefully start the full run
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Geoff 29 April, 2017, 12:56:43 PM
Received mine,  very impressed with the quality they just need to chase the spine image, can't wait to they hopefully start the full run

I'd agree about the spine art, what about Chris Weston, Staples, Flint or Tom Foster....
: Re: New Hachette tests
: robert_ellis 29 April, 2017, 02:10:15 PM
I received the first four today as well. They look great and I'm amazed they haven't increased the price. At ten pounds these are amazing value. I love the endpapers & text pieces. The front design is a bit generic - I miss the bold b&w covers of the mega collection. I'm guessing colour covers sell better? I'd like to hear a guarantee that there's no overlap with the previous collection - I really don't need another Apocalypse War or Cursed Earth!
: Re: New Hachette tests
: walrus 29 April, 2017, 03:10:57 PM
I had mine turn up today. I only got three though, no Slaine one so no poster.

They do look good though. Hope it makes it to a complete run.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: moly 01 May, 2017, 04:42:20 PM
The shakara volume did it include the complete story? Think this would be a great way for a lot of stuff to be done in hardback that otherwise wouldn't happen
: Re: New Hachette tests
: abelardsnazz 02 May, 2017, 08:23:34 AM
The shakara volume did it include the complete story? Think this would be a great way for a lot of stuff to be done in hardback that otherwise wouldn't happen

The Shakara volume includes:
Book 1 from progs 2002 & 1273-1279
Book 2 The Assassin from progs 1441-1449
Book 3 The Defiant from progs 2008 & 1567-1573
Future Shock: Multiplicity from Megazine 339

So that leaves Destroyer and Avenger which look as if they'll be enough for another volume if the full series goes ahead.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: IndigoPrime 02 May, 2017, 10:04:38 AM
It also showcases one thing that's of interest: are these books a mite skinnier than the Dredd ones? (You're talking about 150 pages of strip for the first three books. The second more or less matches that. So this looks like a straight swap for the existing trades, rather than 'combining' multiple trades into one. It also makes me wonder even more about the longer thrills – I can't see, for example, an 80-volume set spending 10 or so on Nikolai Dante.)
: Re: New Hachette tests
: abelardsnazz 02 May, 2017, 12:25:35 PM
Interesting point. I haven't done a page count but the Shakara volume is bulked out with character sketches, covers etc.

Total strip page count for The Horned God and Halo Jones are 187 and 199 respectively so the full volumes come in at around the 200 mark.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: IndigoPrime 02 May, 2017, 02:45:46 PM
That aligns them with the thinner Dredd volumes and thicker Marvel ones, IIRC. 2000 AD likely a higher risk, but it does point to a future where I think I'll cherry pick if it does go to full series this time.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Skullmo 02 May, 2017, 11:49:16 PM
The Shakara book has the same content as avenger plus a future shock. A bit disappointing as I thought it would be a one volume version.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Rately 03 May, 2017, 10:10:54 AM
I picked up a box at Post Office yesterday, and found the four volumes inside. Lovely stuff.

Only really had a read of Slaine, which i've only seen bits and pieces of over the years, but looking forward to having a read of Shakara.

Amazing customer service, and fingers are crossed that they go ahead with the collection.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Dandontdare 03 May, 2017, 01:40:32 PM
 signed up for this at the beginning and I've had nothing - not even an e-mail
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Mattofthespurs 04 May, 2017, 08:02:11 AM
signed up for this at the beginning and I've had nothing - not even an e-mail

I got the email pretty much immediately upon signing up.
Sounds like something went wrong for you.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: aceface11 04 May, 2017, 10:37:02 AM
And weirdly (despite signing-up about a week ago), I just received a direct debit instruction for my subscription.

Matt
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Dandontdare 04 May, 2017, 01:48:24 PM
signed up for this at the beginning and I've had nothing - not even an e-mail

I got the email pretty much immediately upon signing up.
Sounds like something went wrong for you.

Sorry, I meant since the original acknowledgement e-mail on 3rd March I've had nothing. I thought that this was a test-subscription and books and gifts were not actually going to be sent out, but were physically available in a few areas? I'm confused as to how this all works
: Re: New Hachette tests
: IndigoPrime 04 May, 2017, 03:15:16 PM
If it's anything like previous partworks, the subs pages are in part there to test the waters, and you're unlikely to be charged anything. _Sometimes_ (as has been the case here), you'll get the books, for no charge.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Dandontdare 04 May, 2017, 04:42:54 PM
ah, I see - well I've not been charged ( :thumbsup:) but I've not had any goodies ( :thumbsdown:).

Let's hope there was enough demand for a full roll-out.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: robert_ellis 04 May, 2017, 08:07:53 PM
So if there's 80 more 2000ad books how would you guess they'd be split up?
I'm guessing...
Dredd 10
Strontium Dog 6
Rogue Trooper 5
Slaine 5
Nemesis 4
ABC Warriors 3
Nikolai Dante 4
RoboHunter 2
Durham Red 2
Bad Company 2
Judge Anderson 2
Halo Jones 1
Shakara 2
Lawless 1
Zenith 2
Red Seas 2
Absalom 1
Indigo Prime 1
DR & Quinch 1
Skizz 1
Harry Twenty 1
Stickleback 2
Leviathan 1
Luke Kirby 1
Sinister Dexter 2
Kingdom 2
Age of the Wolf 1
Savage 2
The VCs 1
Scarlet Traces 2
Movie Dredd 1
Button Man 2
Firekind 1
Tyranny Rex 1
Bradley 1
Harlem Heroes 1
Armoured Gideon 1
Defoe 2
Mazeworld 1
Dan Dare 1
What obvious stuff have I missed?

: Re: New Hachette tests
: IndigoPrime 04 May, 2017, 08:17:11 PM
I'd be surprised if Dare's in there, given the inherent costs involved. If these books are indeed skinny and Bradley gets an entire volume, they need to cut down on Matt Smith's lunchtime beer allocation.

In general, it's odd, though: how will Nikolai Dante work with half the story removed? It'll end up more like the Marvel partwork, which was oddly unsatisfying at times (and will require some serious work in terms of synopses).
: Re: New Hachette tests
: robert_ellis 04 May, 2017, 08:33:08 PM
In the spirit of the MegaCollection there must be a few WTF choices that justify the 'unreprinted before' tag.
I'd like a Junker volume but I suspect I'm alone on that. I reckon colour stuff will be prioritized as in the previous collection.
I'd add Hewligan's Haircut into the list.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Dandontdare 04 May, 2017, 09:05:02 PM
I spoke too soon .... came home to find four books and a nice note saying there's no charge.

Better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick!  :D
: Re: New Hachette tests
: abelardsnazz 05 May, 2017, 01:58:27 AM
I would suggest there'll be a maximum of 5 Dredd and 0 Anderson volumes given they've just had 80 to play with :-) I think more Nicolai Dante, you can never have enough Strontium Dog, and out of left field, Return to Armageddon.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: The Monarch 05 May, 2017, 02:36:55 AM
I said it earlier in this thread and i will say it again

Make canon fodder into one. Use some other wonderful chris weston drawn fs and one offs to pad it out. Please!!!
: Re: New Hachette tests
: robert_ellis 05 May, 2017, 04:06:49 AM
Good recent Dredd not in MegaCollection...
Dark Justice, Every Empire Falls, The Cop, Block Judge, Enceladus, Dead Zone & Movie Stuff.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Swerty 05 May, 2017, 11:12:57 AM
How long did it take for the Mega Collction to appear after the initial test run.Was it about 4 months?
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Richard 05 May, 2017, 10:20:10 PM
Does the volume with The Cop include the prequel, Served Cold?
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Mattofthespurs 06 May, 2017, 07:40:33 AM
How long did it take for the Mega Collction to appear after the initial test run.Was it about 4 months?

They usually trial these thing in the spring and then release them early the next year.
That seems to be my recollection of the mega collection and the build an R2-D2.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Magnetica 06 May, 2017, 09:59:03 AM
So if there's 80 more 2000ad books how would you guess they'd be split up?
I'm guessing...
Dredd 10
Strontium Dog 6
Rogue Trooper 5
Slaine 5
Nemesis 4
ABC Warriors 3
Nikolai Dante 4
RoboHunter 2
Durham Red 2
Bad Company 2
Judge Anderson 2
Halo Jones 1
Shakara 2
Lawless 1
Zenith 2
Red Seas 2
Absalom 1
Indigo Prime 1
DR & Quinch 1
Skizz 1
Harry Twenty 1
Stickleback 2
Leviathan 1
Luke Kirby 1
Sinister Dexter 2
Kingdom 2
Age of the Wolf 1
Savage 2
The VCs 1
Scarlet Traces 2
Movie Dredd 1
Button Man 2
Firekind 1
Tyranny Rex 1
Bradley 1
Harlem Heroes 1
Armoured Gideon 1
Defoe 2
Mazeworld 1
Dan Dare 1
What obvious stuff have I missed?

So I think this highlights what will be a big problem for me - you are only going to get a small proportion of most series. Of those that I want to re-read, I would rather get the whole lot. So Rebellion trades may well be a better bet (for me).
: Re: New Hachette tests
: sheridan 06 May, 2017, 10:51:38 AM
In the spirit of the MegaCollection there must be a few WTF choices that justify the 'unreprinted before' tag.
I'd like a Junker volume but I suspect I'm alone on that. I reckon colour stuff will be prioritized as in the previous collection.
I'd add Hewligan's Haircut into the list.

Hewligan's Haircut has been reprinted - I have a copy with a hole in the cover, and I'm sure I've seen a more standard collected edition as well.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: sheridan 06 May, 2017, 10:54:05 AM
In the spirit of the MegaCollection there must be a few WTF choices that justify the 'unreprinted before' tag.
I'd like a Junker volume but I suspect I'm alone on that. I reckon colour stuff will be prioritized as in the previous collection.
I'd add Hewligan's Haircut into the list.

Hewligan's Haircut has been reprinted - I have a copy with a hole in the cover, and I'm sure I've seen a more standard collected edition as well.

In fact, three times in all:
: Re: New Hachette tests
: robert_ellis 07 May, 2017, 09:58:31 AM
I've enjoyed Hewligans Haircut in it's many versions. I meant add it to the list of likely 2000ad Ultimate collection volumes. Would Sooner or Later make a suitable back up strip?
: Re: New Hachette tests
: IndigoPrime 07 May, 2017, 01:39:41 PM
It's certainly somewhat similar in tone – plus the sequel had Hewlett on art duties, replacing Brendan McCarthy. But even all of those there series together leave a book at under 100 pages. So there's scope to add more oddball humour series to a single volume.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: DarkDaysBish-OP 07 May, 2017, 02:28:53 PM
Throw in both series of Time Flies, that'd get you close to 200 pages of Deadline artist-themed silliness.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: robert_ellis 07 May, 2017, 02:29:08 PM
Philip Bond would work with Hewlett & McCarthy.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: sheridan 07 May, 2017, 04:58:08 PM
Has anybody mentioned Dash Decent, Bonjo and the Walter the Wobot one-page strips to pad out a Hewligan's Haircut / Sooner or Later mega-collection?
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Tomwe 08 May, 2017, 01:35:52 PM
I see the collection's web page is now redirecting back to hachette. Guess the test is over and we wait to see what happens next!
: Re: New Hachette tests
: abelardsnazz 23 May, 2017, 12:30:39 PM
I've finished reading the four pilot volumes, and they're a great example of the variety of Tooth stories over the past 40 years.

Slaine: Humour and action with the grounding of legend, and Bisley's art was the first of its kind in British comics at the time.

Halo Jones: the first two books are good scene-setters but the third is a masterpiece, Moore and Gibson at their absolute peak. To echo Neil Gaiman in Future Shock, we can only speculate at further wonders we might have seen if the story had continued.

Shakara: Mind-bending strangeness that's insane in the best way, with the most inventive collection of aliens outside Nemesis.

Strontium Dog: great storytelling from the creators of two of Tooth's most iconic characters, the serious points being made in the first two stories balanced by the humour of the third.

Hoping this has been popular enough to warrant a full series - guessing we'll find out in a few months?
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Richard 10 July, 2017, 11:39:48 PM
I just re-read Dan Abnett's take on Durham Red today, and think it definitely deserves to be included if the collection happens.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Michael Knight 12 July, 2017, 09:14:53 PM
Please Tharg make this happen. I'm already allocating storage space
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Taryn Tailz 23 July, 2017, 03:16:19 AM
I just re-read Dan Abnett's take on Durham Red today, and think it definitely deserves to be included if the collection happens.

I've always thought that Dan Abnett's run on Durham Red was criminally underrated. It actually dared to do something new with a well known character.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Mute77 23 July, 2017, 06:00:13 PM
Yeah i've said before that i loved Abnett's Durham Red trilogy.. Would love an all in one hardcover.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Swerty 01 August, 2017, 02:03:52 PM
I would like all the golden oldies.Harlem Heroes,Invasion,Mach 1,Dan Dare...
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Eamonn Clarke 01 August, 2017, 08:16:11 PM
Thunderbirds are go!
: Re: New Hachette tests
: robert_ellis 01 August, 2017, 08:26:57 PM
It's great the series is happening! Who's the spine artist? From the tiny glimpses visible I'm guessing Boo Cook?
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Pete Wells 01 August, 2017, 08:32:07 PM
Oooooh http://www.2000adcollection.com (http://www.2000adcollection.com)
: Re: New Hachette tests
: IndigoPrime 01 August, 2017, 08:36:22 PM
"Enter your email address to be notified when subscriptions are open!"

Oh, bloody hell. *looks at bank account* Oh, bloody hell. *looks at direct debits already going to Rebellion, Hachette, Titan, Panini… Oh, bloody hell.

*types in email address and hits Return regardless*

Oh, bloody hell.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: IndigoPrime 01 August, 2017, 08:36:49 PM
Still, at least this time round, the packaging will be not-shit from day one. Fewer books going back, I imagine.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Link Prime 01 August, 2017, 08:40:47 PM
So tempting, although I'll likely end up being a weaselly cherry-picker again!
: Re: New Hachette tests
: robert_ellis 01 August, 2017, 09:05:53 PM
I can't commit to another £20 per month on top of the MegaCollection! I know the early issues are usually cheap but it would still be the best part of year spending £40 a month. Looking forward to seeing it at WHSmiths though!
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Pete Wells 01 August, 2017, 09:13:50 PM
In case anyone isn't on Facebook, here is the press release thingy:

"Stand-by, Earthlets – the ultimate collection of the Galaxy’s Greatest Comic is coming soon! 2000 AD: The Ultimate Collection brings you the best stories from forty years of Britain’s biggest comic, from Judge Dredd to Sláine the Barbarian, from Rogue Trooper to Strontium Dog and a galaxy of Thrills in between! Subscriptions launch at www.2000adcollection.com on 7th August with issue one on sale from 23rd August, so whether you’re a new Squaxx Dek Thargo or a venerable Deca Thargo make sure you snap up this ghafflebette collection. Don’t be a grexnix – subscribe to 2000 AD: The Ultimate Collection from Hachette Partworks!"
: Re: New Hachette tests
: IndigoPrime 01 August, 2017, 09:23:16 PM
I'm slightly surprised they're overlapping with the Dredd collection.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Tomwe 01 August, 2017, 09:29:25 PM
So annoyed but not surprised in the slightest.
Right, quick decision is to bail on Dredd. Not what I wanted but more keen on reading the wider 2000AD collection.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Jim_Campbell 01 August, 2017, 09:35:12 PM
I'll confess, I'm very tempted.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: The Monarch 01 August, 2017, 09:38:53 PM
getting them both
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Colin YNWA 01 August, 2017, 09:39:06 PM
While I doubt I'll go for this as I'll own all the stories, or near as damnit, I'm really pleased that this found a market and 2000ad thrives beyond Dredd.

Good stuff and chuffed for folks that get these things. You'd guess there'd be some beauts on the way!
: Re: New Hachette tests
: JLC 01 August, 2017, 10:11:40 PM
Is this going to get a cheap 1st issue like they did with the Dredd one?
: Re: New Hachette tests
: JamesC 01 August, 2017, 10:21:49 PM
Do we have to resubscribe if we already subscribed during the test phase?
I can't remember what happened with the Dredd Collection.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: IndigoPrime 01 August, 2017, 11:23:17 PM
Dredd: they sent new versions for free, didn't they.

JLC: Most of these things are a couple of quid for the first, then seven, and then ten.
: Re: Re: New Hachette tests
: JaHawkDroid 01 August, 2017, 11:53:30 PM
Ooooo this is very exciting. Very exciting indeed.


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: Re: New Hachette tests
: IndigoPrime 02 August, 2017, 12:09:17 AM
One minor grumble: would it kill them to put SOME indication of a book's contents on the spine?
: Re: Re: New Hachette tests
: JaHawkDroid 02 August, 2017, 12:16:07 AM
Yeah I love that the DC collection has story titles, but that's Eaglemoss. Hachette never do it for some reason


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: Re: New Hachette tests
: Apestrife 02 August, 2017, 06:38:57 AM
If it's launching 23:rd of August. 4 books? Then next batch of two will be in September then?

Even if I won't pick it up a subscription, I'll be following it closely. Exciting to see which titles that will be included. I'll most likely buy more than one book from the collection :)
: Re: New Hachette tests
: abelardsnazz 02 August, 2017, 07:14:29 AM
The video on Facebook shows the four previously issued pilot volumes and a Nemesis cover, although the pilot promotional material suggested Dark Justice would be issue 5. Now that the Mega Collection has been extended, does this suggest DJ will be appearing there instead and there'll be less Dredd overall in the new collection? I'm thinking yes, as 10 further issues of Dredd won't leave a lot of significant material. Not that I can think of anyway.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: The Legendary Shark 02 August, 2017, 07:50:47 AM

Now that the Mega Collection has been extended...


Wait, what? Is this true?

If so, will the extension begin after the initial run that I signed on for or be folded in to force me into buying extra volumes in the Marvel Eff You style?

: Re: New Hachette tests
: robert_ellis 02 August, 2017, 08:06:23 AM
(From Facebook - sounds like initial 80 volumes will finish first!)
Hi Steven,

Subscribers will continue to be sent 2 issues every month, which means issues 80 & 81 will be sent out together.

As ever customers are free to cancel at any time and if you don’t want to receive the continuation between 81 & 90 you are entitled to a refund of any issue so long as it is returned within 14 days. So if you just want to just keep issue 80 and get a refund for part 81 that is totally fine.

Hope this helps!
: Re: New Hachette tests
: The Legendary Shark 02 August, 2017, 08:17:52 AM
Good, thank you.

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: JaHawkDroid 02 August, 2017, 09:12:14 AM
I'd given up on the Mega Collection after issue 57, but now I'm feeling the need to pick it back up because, along with this, it's the closest I'll get to a complete history of 2000AD. Blimey this mag forces people (me) to do crazy things.


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: Re: New Hachette tests
: Fungus 02 August, 2017, 10:25:56 AM
I won't blindly subscribe to this (even more than Dredd, it's made for cherry-picking) but I don't think that makes me a 'grexnix'. There's terrible customer service right there.

 ;)
: Re: Re: New Hachette tests
: JaHawkDroid 02 August, 2017, 11:43:28 AM
I have the added bonus of starting reading 2000AD with the Dredd collection and never really expanding beyond what's been in the prog since then, so no matter what in the collection (apart from a few volumes of Stronty) it's impossible to be a double in my collection


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: Re: New Hachette tests
: Tomwe 02 August, 2017, 12:31:47 PM
News from Facebook
There will be no duplication of issues that appeared in Judge Dredd: The Mega Collection. Of course, 2000 AD: The Ultimate Collection will include several Dredd tales, but there will be no overlap with the stories already published in the Mega Collection.

https://www.facebook.com/judgedreddcollection/posts/1920662961524836?comment_id=1920665544857911&reply_comment_id=1920677711523361&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R9%22%7D (https://www.facebook.com/judgedreddcollection/posts/1920662961524836?comment_id=1920665544857911&reply_comment_id=1920677711523361&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R9%22%7D)
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Molch-R 02 August, 2017, 12:34:19 PM
Re: those of you who got the first test volumes - test subscribers will have their subscription reactivated automatically, so will not have to re-subscribe. Hachette will be sending out an email this Friday with details about subscriptions.
: Re: Re: New Hachette tests
: Tjm86 02 August, 2017, 12:59:58 PM
..... so no matter what in the collection (apart from a few volumes of Stronty) it's impossible to be a double in my collection


Meh!  You're not a real tooth fan until you have four different editions of the Apocalypse War and three of the Cursed Earth Saga!
: Re: New Hachette tests
: JamesC 02 August, 2017, 01:20:10 PM
Re: those of you who got the first test volumes - test subscribers will have their subscription reactivated automatically, so will not have to re-subscribe. Hachette will be sending out an email this Friday with details about subscriptions.

Thanks for confirming.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: IndigoPrime 02 August, 2017, 02:02:56 PM
There will be no duplication of issues that appeared in Judge Dredd: The Mega Collection. Of course, 2000 AD: The Ultimate Collection will include several Dredd tales, but there will be no overlap with the stories already published in the Mega Collection.
Oh, bloody hell.

It's like Rebellion and Hachette are chipping away at my resolve, the bastards. (I did in passing mention this collection to my wife last night. I got a 'look'. That might end up being my resolve. And, to be fair, this is my massively geeky wife who likes our telly room having hundreds of comic collections in it, including the Dredd one.)
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Mardroid 02 August, 2017, 03:56:22 PM
I think I'll be cherry picking this. I'm very likely to get the first (Slaine the Horned God, wasn't it?) and I'm less likely to get the second since I have Halo Jones already. But then again this is a nice hard-back Halo Jones at the less than the price of some paperbacks...

Ooh, it's insidious isn't it? I'll likely avoid volumes of the earlier Strontium Dog stuff though as I have the S/D files, and the thickness of those off-sets the... lovely... hardback... editions.... gnnnn....

 :lol:

I think the 'cherry picking' might be the ones I leave out, if I'm not careful!

I do want to complete the Mega-collectionh. I actually subscribed back in the day, but had to pause and buy individually when real world financial issues stepped in.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Steve Green 02 August, 2017, 04:30:48 PM
Will have to see.

Slaine? Already have a hardback, (to be honest would rather an oversized European-style version)
Strontium Dog - only if colour pages reinstated
Nemesis - have the hardback deviant edition and the trades, would be nice to have the colour spreads of the later books.
Halo Jones - will keep the titans with better repro

I'm more about shifting stuff to digital unless the repro is better, it's been a bit variable on the old stuff, and doesn't sound like it's the sort of project which would make re-scans viable.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: JLC 02 August, 2017, 09:08:04 PM
Anyone know what the first one is going to be?
: Re: New Hachette tests
: abelardsnazz 02 August, 2017, 09:24:15 PM
Anyone know what the first one is going to be?

I'd guess at Slaine: The Horned God, which was the first of the pilot issues. A good one to kick off with.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: CalHab 03 August, 2017, 07:40:56 AM
I'd guess at Slaine: The Horned God, which was the first of the pilot issues. A good one to kick off with.

I suppose so, but surely most of the target audience owns it already?
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Tomwe 03 August, 2017, 09:29:59 AM
I'd guess at Slaine: The Horned God, which was the first of the pilot issues. A good one to kick off with.

I suppose so, but surely most of the target audience owns it already?

Well, as a lapsed reader (I stopped at the original Prog 2000) who was brought back in by the JDMC I'm very pleased to be starting with Horned God, and in fact have not read any of the next few volumes to come at all.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: I, Cosh 03 August, 2017, 09:30:49 AM
I'd guess at Slaine: The Horned God, which was the first of the pilot issues. A good one to kick off with.
I suppose so, but surely most of the target audience owns it already?
The loons on here aren't the target audience.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Fungus 03 August, 2017, 09:46:40 AM
Are you suggesting owning something in one format precludes buying a new, shinier, hardback version of exactly the same thing...?
: Re: New Hachette tests
: IndigoPrime 03 August, 2017, 09:59:15 AM
Exactly. The target audience is people ambling about WHSmith, who see a hardback of Sláine for two quid and think: I'll have me a bit of that. And who then read the book, remember how much they used to love 2000 AD (or who are newcomers and also love it), at which point they note the next issue is 'only' £6.99. So they buy that too. And, really, £9.99 for the next hardback comics collection isn't all that much… And so it goes.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: TordelBack 03 August, 2017, 11:09:36 AM
Are you suggesting owning something in one format precludes buying a new, shinier, hardback version of exactly the same thing...?

There goes Rebellion's 3rd Quarter turnover...
: Re: New Hachette tests
: moly 03 August, 2017, 11:55:03 AM
Well there were a few graphic novels I was going to get but will now hold off with this collection coming
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Davgardo 03 August, 2017, 12:09:46 PM
Personally I think this is a crazy to go with this now - a 1 or 2 month overlap with the JD Mega Collection would be just about affordable, but we're looking at the best part of a year here. I would love to subscribe to the 2000ad Collection but I just cannot afford or justify £40.00 a month.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: JamesC 03 August, 2017, 12:29:13 PM
It's worth noting that it may not be a case of 'subscribe now or miss the boat'.
Eaglemoss are still pushing for subscriptions of the DC Comics collection - I took one out a few months ago, starting from issue 1 and am now up to issue 8. Original subscribers are up to about book 50 I think.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: abelardsnazz 03 August, 2017, 01:04:33 PM
Exactly. The target audience is people ambling about WHSmith, who see a hardback of Sláine for two quid and think: I'll have me a bit of that. And who then read the book, remember how much they used to love 2000 AD (or who are newcomers and also love it), at which point they note the next issue is 'only' £6.99. So they buy that too. And, really, £9.99 for the next hardback comics collection isn't all that much… And so it goes.

Almost exactly what happened to me when the MC launched. While I understand comments about the £40 commitment every month, I guess they're striking while the iron's hot in the 40th anniversary year.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Anthony Garnon 03 August, 2017, 02:30:39 PM
There's a signing with Boo Cook at the London Forbiddden Planet Megastore:

https://forbiddenplanet.com/events/2017/08/23/launching-2000ad-collection-forbidden-planet/
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Arkwright99 03 August, 2017, 02:52:47 PM
It's worth noting that it may not be a case of 'subscribe now or miss the boat'.
Eaglemoss are still pushing for subscriptions of the DC Comics collection - I took one out a few months ago, starting from issue 1 and am now up to issue 8. Original subscribers are up to about book 50 I think.
You can also buy individual (back) issues of the Mega Collection from Hachette (https://hachettepartworks.com/judge-dredd-the-mega-collection) so if the same holds true for the Ultimate Collection then I can see people (like myself) waiting and picking up only those volumes that we want to buy - possibly even waiting in case there's a sale any time.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: IndigoPrime 03 August, 2017, 02:54:05 PM
The crossover is curious, I agree, but I suppose all that's been considered by the company. It'll be interesting to see whether people dive in, too. The one thing that still holds me back a bit is the nature of such collections in terms of completeness. I already own the majority of my favourite 2000 AD series in book form. Would I be interested in ‘upgrading’ them to MC-style hardbacks for ten quid a pop? Sure. Do I want to do that if there are gaps in the major series? Hmm.

So: 80 books. What might it include? I've just faffed about in Soulver to see what Rebellion's current line-up is, and to convert them into Hachette page counts (approx.), being mindful that the 2000 AD books were a mite slimmer than the Dredd ones.

Major series (as per Rebellion's own shop) come to about 76 books in all:

ABC Warriors: 10
Button Man: 2
Nemesis: 5
Nikolai Dante: 10
Ro-Busters: 4
Robo-Hunter: 4
Rogue Trooper (original): 8
Rogue Trooper (War Machine): 1
Savage/Invasion: 3
Sláine: 13
Strontium Dog: 13
Zenith: 2

Cherry picking some others shoves you well over 100 (111.5, in this case).

Absolom: 1
ACE Trucking: 3
Bad Company: 2
Brass Sun: 1
Caballistics: 2
Dan Dare: 3
Dr & Quinch: 0.5
Durham Red: 2
Flesh: 2
Future Shocks: 2
Halo Jones: 1
Indigo Prime: 2
Jaegir: 1
Kingdom: 2
Red Seas: 4
Shakara: 2
Sinister Dexter: God only knows. Maybe 5
Skizz (wouldn't be complete): 1

It'll be interesting to see what they decide on, not least because everyone has their own favourites and ideas about whether something's important regarding completeness. To my mind, anything less than the entire Nikolai Dante saga would be a big disappointment, even if you got synopses to bring you up to date. But I could live without a chunk of Sinister Dexter. I suspect there are people here who'd argue the exact opposite.

That all said, I'm very happy that this is happening at all. Think back to the Fleetway days, when we got the odd sporadic book, in varying formats. Then deals came and went – Titan; Hamlyn; DC. Then Rebellion took everything on, and since that point we've had at least 20 new books every year, and now we're getting the second partwork. That's pretty amazing.


possibly even waiting in case there's a sale any time.
I'll be amazed if they do another 50 per cent off one, though. The number of people they pissed off with that!
: Re: New Hachette tests
: The Monarch 03 August, 2017, 03:03:08 PM
and then we get mark millars robohunter and we despair we sooooo despair
: Re: New Hachette tests
: IndigoPrime 03 August, 2017, 03:09:09 PM
I'd hope with 80 books there would be no crap. With Dredd, some filler was inevitable. But it'd be horrible to see Junker or something similar stinking up the place. (I rather liked how the phonebooks dealt with Robo-Hunter – just pretend the Millar run never happened and skip to the Hogan/Hughes stuff.)
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: Richard 03 August, 2017, 03:15:24 PM
That Strontium Dog cover looks brilliant. Is it original or have we seen it before?
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: Mattofthespurs 03 August, 2017, 03:19:22 PM
It's worth noting that it may not be a case of 'subscribe now or miss the boat'.
Eaglemoss are still pushing for subscriptions of the DC Comics collection - I took one out a few months ago, starting from issue 1 and am now up to issue 8. Original subscribers are up to about book 50 I think.

I'm on issue 45 (despite subbing from the start) and have another 2 due any day now. Plus there have been 9 specials to date.
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: JamesC 03 August, 2017, 03:53:53 PM
Editorially I think common sense says that stories intended to be a complete saga should be included in their entirety if possible.
For everything else I think a 'best of' approach would be fine. We all know there are crap Robo-Hunter and Rogue Trooper stories; and does anyone really want to read three books of Ace Trucking?
Strips like Ro-Busters have some classic multi-part stories that would be nice to see but if you want all the filler strips and annual stories that's what the 'Nuts and Bolts' books are for.
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: Michael Knight 03 August, 2017, 04:12:00 PM
Im definitely in for this collection. Im buying as i know i will actually read/re-read all of these, whereas with the Marvel/DC collections it would be only certain characters. Thanks a lot Tharg. I cannot wait to see these in my local thrill merchant! now i will not only will i be rearranging shelves displaying 2000ad and meg, and dredd partwork prominently   
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: JaHawkDroid 03 August, 2017, 04:17:37 PM
Oo there's a question - will this include only 2000AD content, or the purposes of this licence will Meg material be included as well. I presume it will...


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: The Monarch 03 August, 2017, 04:26:39 PM
well considering pretty much all the best meg stuff (apart from more recent things like lawless) were reprinted in the mega collection i doubt it
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: IndigoPrime 03 August, 2017, 04:31:00 PM
And there's been confirmation that there will be no crossover in terms of content.

Of course, this is where we get a Sexy Ostriches book now, or – shudder – that vampire thing whose name I appear to have wiped from my memory.
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: moly 03 August, 2017, 04:32:20 PM
Those two were creator owned so hopefully not
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: moly 03 August, 2017, 04:33:24 PM
Would be good if they included strontium dog from starlord and maybe the full set of diceman
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: JamesC 03 August, 2017, 04:38:01 PM
Diceman would be lovely - especially if all included in one volume (rather than split across volumes as extras in character themed books). 
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: Michael Knight 03 August, 2017, 04:38:55 PM
Now Diceman i would love to read. Only recently heard about these!
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: IndigoPrime 03 August, 2017, 04:39:24 PM
Given that the Starlord Stront is in the existing Rebellion collections, there's no obvious reason it wouldn't show up here unless (like the Dredd run) it's going to prioritise colour content.
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: JamesC 04 August, 2017, 03:47:07 PM
Woop, woop!

Dear 2000 AD: The Ultimate Collection subscriber,
 
We are delighted to let you know that 2000 AD: The Ultimate Collection is now launching nationally!

As a valued test subscriber, we have re-activated your subscription from issue 1 and will be sending you the first 3 issues free of charge.

This means that you don't need to subscribe again when the website goes live on Monday.
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: IndigoPrime 04 August, 2017, 03:53:08 PM
For all the grumbles I hear about Hachette customer service, I see things like this and think they're doing a pretty good job on the whole.
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: JaHawkDroid 04 August, 2017, 04:16:51 PM
I've not got a bad word to say about Hachette's customer service. I've always found them attentive and customer-focused.


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: IndigoPrime 04 August, 2017, 05:10:01 PM
Really, the only grumble I have about the JD collection was the shitty packaging, but that's now been addressed. I do have a couple of duff volumes, which I should probably get replaced. But, yeah, every single time I've sent them a DM on Facebook, I've got a reply – usually within a couple of days. Replacement issues typically showed up after a week.
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: The Legendary Shark 04 August, 2017, 06:01:47 PM
I've loved the collection. My only gripe now is that I can't afford to get both at the same time. I'll have to finish the Dredd first then pick up the 2KAD one at volume whatever and hope to pick up the ones I've missed as I go. Proper bummer :(
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: BPP 05 August, 2017, 12:50:51 PM
So the next JD Mega Collection is 68 -meaning 12 (or 22 if you're planning on extending). Meaning 6 months (or 11 if extending). The Collection goes live end August. My JD stuff always arrived early in the month so I'd count that as  overlapping Septembers JD so approximately 10 issues of overlap or 5 months. But then if you were a test subscriber you get the first 3 free so overlap payments wise is 7 issues - 3.5 months. or 70 quid. Not great but liveable.

Does strike me as a complete incentive to jump ship off the Dredd collection at 80 tho.

Btw - for those in two minds and who didn't get the test run - these are absolutely lovely 2000AD reproductions - the best way the vast majority of these stories will ever appear in print.
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: Magnetica 05 August, 2017, 01:33:36 PM
I have the original reprints of the Horned God, which are on high quality paper. I am struggling to see why I should buy it again. Other than to get the essay.
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: IndigoPrime 05 August, 2017, 02:01:49 PM
Btw - for those in two minds and who didn't get the test run - these are absolutely lovely 2000AD reproductions - the best way the vast majority of these stories will ever appear in print.
It'll be interesting to see how well earlier material fares, but 2000 AD stuff on the whole has been impressive, bar the odd niggle here and there. (Compare that to the dire Marvel-era Transformers stuff, which doesn't exactly benefit from Hachette hardbacks, in the same way some gorgeous artwork wouldn't save a DVD if the footage was 320x240px at 12FPS.)
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: rogue69 06 August, 2017, 07:55:35 PM
Glad to see they have made changes to the free gifts with this collection gone is the hip flask, belt buckle and the Blitzspear parking sign, now the free gifts are

  - You will receive your FREE 2000 AD mug with your 1st delivery.
 - You will receive your FREE issue with your 2nd delivery.
 - You will receive your FREE wallet with your 3rd delivery.
 - You will receive your FREE Future Shock! DVD in your 5th delivery.
 - You will receive your FREE Bookends in your 7th delivery.
 - You will receive your FREE 2000 AD Sketch Book in your 9th delivery.
 
 
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: Swerty 06 August, 2017, 08:04:10 PM
I'm trying to resist but it all looks too tempting.Is there a picture of the new Spine painting?
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: JaHawkDroid 06 August, 2017, 09:23:17 PM
Oooh those freebies are pretty damn good actually. Very incentivising.


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: moly 06 August, 2017, 09:44:47 PM
Cool was needing a new wallet
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: JaHawkDroid 07 August, 2017, 01:16:46 AM
I'm trying to resist but it all looks too tempting.Is there a picture of the new Spine painting?

Here's a low-res one! (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170807/e3d8b1d1d35dc19f27c9506aabc92342.jpg)


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: robert_ellis 07 August, 2017, 01:43:52 AM
It's making my eyes hurt trying to recognise the characters! Where's Zenith? And who's the person with their head on fire? No Judge Anderson? Nice to see Bad Company on the far right...
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: moly 07 August, 2017, 06:24:51 AM
That looks fantastic
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: Tomwe 07 August, 2017, 08:49:53 AM
Skizz, Ace Trucking, Durham Red, Dr & Quinch, stickleback. Bad company! Beyond those it's the usual suspect stars. Who else? 👍🏻
Quite pleased to not be seeing Zenith actually since I own that slipcase set.
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: Steve Green 07 August, 2017, 09:04:08 AM
It's making my eyes hurt trying to recognise the characters! Where's Zenith? And who's the person with their head on fire? No Judge Anderson? Nice to see Bad Company on the far right...

Demon Jenny from Caballistics.

There are Anderson stories in the Dredd collection, + there's that 10 volume extension to fill.
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: Eamonn Clarke 07 August, 2017, 09:04:21 AM
I'm having trouble getting my Hachette account to accept the subscriber number they have sent me.
Anyone else?
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: JaHawkDroid 07 August, 2017, 09:06:46 AM
Anyone else having issues adding the subscription number to a Hachette account?


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: JaHawkDroid 07 August, 2017, 09:07:20 AM
I'm having trouble getting my Hachette account to accept the subscriber number they have sent me.
Anyone else?

Didn't see that before my post. Glad it's not just me! Perhaps it's because subs haven't launched officially yet


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: moldovangerbil 07 August, 2017, 09:19:52 AM
Same here.  I put it down to the fact that they'd got my details wrong, so I phoned them up to get them to correct them.  The line was terrible, but I *thought* they'd updated them.  However, when I tried just now to add my subscription I was still getting the same error.
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: JaHawkDroid 07 August, 2017, 09:20:54 AM
I sent the Ultimate Collection Facebook page a message last night about this; if they reply I'll update here


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: IndigoPrime 07 August, 2017, 09:59:43 AM
For what it's worth, it took a while last time before the Hachette site recognised the Dredd ones. Also, if you find yourself on a 'late' run (since these things are dispatched at varying times of the month), that might be down to their policy of never charging twice in the same month. I successfully had that shifted with the Dredd collection, after written confirmation that I'd be happy to take two charges across a single 28-day period.
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: JaHawkDroid 07 August, 2017, 10:02:56 AM
Here's a higher res spine (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170807/ec4edd66138b97eb007b85e13164cd79.jpg)


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: IndigoPrime 07 August, 2017, 10:03:18 AM
Also, while I suspect this is wishful thinking, I do hope they release series in order for this – or at least a logical running order (so you could I suppose split classic and redux Sláine/Strontium Dog/etc.). With something like Nikolai Dante, it wouldn't be much fun to get book 5 or something before book 3. (I realise this is how many partworks happen, but it's user-hostile and unnecessary.)
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: moly 07 August, 2017, 10:10:11 AM
Might have to go for the premium collection to get the 6 figures
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: Eamonn Clarke 07 August, 2017, 10:17:39 AM
During the test run for this collection, you weren't charged and for security reasons we were not able to hold onto your payment details whether these were credit card details or direct debit details. This means that you will be charged via invoice, but to change this, all you have to do is to log in to your account or register at www.hachettepartworks.com/Account/Login, add your subscriber number and update your payment details.

We will send you another email shortly detailing how to do this, but if you have any questions please call our customer services on 03333001045 and they'll be happy to assist.

I guess we sit tight for another email?
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: Mattofthespurs 07 August, 2017, 10:18:23 AM
The subscription number we have been provided with is not a normal sub number and won't work.
I've been trying top update my payment details, and to change my sub to a premium sub, but there does not seem to be anywhere on the site I can do it.
I suspect I shall have to making a phone call shortly.
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: Mattofthespurs 07 August, 2017, 10:19:17 AM

We will send you another email shortly detailing how to do this, but if you have any questions please call our customer services on 03333001045 and they'll be happy to assist.

I guess we sit tight for another email?

I guess so. I'll give them a few days before ringing them. Might have to anyway as I want the premium sub.
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: moldovangerbil 07 August, 2017, 10:22:48 AM
What does the premium subscription give you as a bonus?
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: moly 07 August, 2017, 10:41:11 AM
6 exclusive figures
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: James Stacey 07 August, 2017, 10:45:00 AM
Here's a higher res spine (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170807/ec4edd66138b97eb007b85e13164cd79.jpg)


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Man that's some bootiful spine work.
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: geronimo 07 August, 2017, 10:51:09 AM
I assume the figurines will be the Doctor Who or Marvel sized, as per usual. Bloody expensive if they are, and no Slaine!!!! maybe there is more to come if the collection is extended.
Either way I'm a 50 year old who feels like a kid at Christmas again! Don't have any old progs or GN's, so look forward to getting back to the old thrill-power.
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: matty_ae 07 August, 2017, 11:55:32 AM
Don't have any old progs or GN's, so look forward to getting back to the old thrill-power.

I think most of us envy your position as we weigh up whether to add another 80 books some of which will be duplicated content. I spent so long tracking down all the Dante books I'm not sure I can justify buying again. Love the Boo Cook art and free gifts. Bah 50/50
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: robert_ellis 07 August, 2017, 12:09:14 PM
It's odd that the subscription number given doesn't work - also is everyone's initial the first letter of their surname?
The spine looks great in hi-res. The framing at the early volumes looks odd - it's almost as if there's plans to add more volumes at a later date!
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: abelardsnazz 07 August, 2017, 12:32:59 PM
The website, http://www.2000adcollection.com/, has now been updated with a lot more info, you can zoom in on the spine art which looks great. There's also confirmation that issue 5 is Nemesis, crediting Mills & O'Neill, so presumably will be book 1 - possibly including the original Comic Rock episodes?

Molch-R - the video says Clint Langley is the spine artist, presumably left over from the test issues.
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: Dodsy 07 August, 2017, 01:03:55 PM
Do we know if the premium sub's end after the 6 issues or do they release more at a later date?

What did they do with the Dredd collection/ prints?
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: IndigoPrime 07 August, 2017, 01:14:55 PM
The premium products are released periodically, not every issue/delivery. So if there are six figurines, you're going to be getting them every dozen or so issues (so every six deliveries). And each one will effectively cost you 20 quid.

I'm still on the fence about this. I kind of wish someone could ply Matt Smith with his favourite ale and somehow get a breakdown of the books that are going to be included (or at least the 'completeness' of key series). I love the format of these books, but, man, I have a LOT of 2000 AD books already, and while I would replace them for 20 quid a month, I'm still wary about gaps in storylines. (At the very least, I'd want all of Nikolai Dante, Strontium Dog, Kingdom and Zenith, if those strips are included. I could live with bits of Nemesis after book 4, Button Man, Robo-Hunter, Rogue Trooper, Sláine, and the likes.) And 800 quid is quite the punt.
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: Magnetica 07 August, 2017, 02:11:10 PM
Cherry picking is a no brainer for me. Not going to buy stuff I already have TPBs or hardbacks of.

Guess that means no Horned God then, no Zenith, no Nemesis, no Clint Langley Slaine or ABC Warriors....
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: Swerty 07 August, 2017, 02:20:54 PM
Well I hope Ace Trucking comes along early.Some of the out of print volumes go for ridiculous prices so there's one plus.
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: Magnetica 07 August, 2017, 02:27:50 PM
Re my last post- I should have said "unless colour centre spreads are included that previously weren't in the TPBs".

So Nemesis I'm looking at you.
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: Bolt-01 07 August, 2017, 02:52:33 PM
Looking at the spinethis will be a good way to get a complete Caballistics!
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: Link Prime 07 August, 2017, 03:51:39 PM
Looking at the spinethis will be a good way to get a complete Caballistics!

Was just thinking that Bolt.
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: Mardroid 07 August, 2017, 03:53:15 PM
The premium products are released periodically, not every issue/delivery. So if there are six figurines, you're going to be getting them every dozen or so issues (so every six deliveries). And each one will effectively cost you 20 quid.

Hmm. Depending on the size of the figures that could be a very good, or a very bad deal,i.e. I wouldn't want to spend £20 on a tiny thing, even if it looked great.

And they really do look great. (http://www.2000adcollection.com/how-it-works/#premium) (If you scroll down a bit and  click on each of the four head-shots, you'll see the full figure above.) I really want to see the Dante one.

I figured Halo Jones was a blonde not white haired though, but maybe that's just the lighting.
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: Molch-R 07 August, 2017, 04:27:57 PM
Just recorded this week's Thrill-Cast with Matt Smith, who's revealing more about the collection AND the line-up - tune in on Wednesday, podcast fans!
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: robert_ellis 07 August, 2017, 04:33:24 PM
I'm glad it looks like the text pieces are continuing. The honest reappraisals of Dredd-world have been an eye opener.
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: Arkwright99 07 August, 2017, 04:41:26 PM
Am I right in thinking you can subscribe from issues 1,2,3 or 4 at any time in the life of the partwork and still get the free gifts, or do you have to subscribe from the very start to get them?

(Done the maths and to qualify for the free sketch book - which looks very nice - you have to invest nearly £160 and with the overlap on the Mega Collection I'd prefer to avoid that if I could start a subscription after the MC extension has ended and still get the gifts (although I already have the Future Shock! bluray & original DVD so not sure I need another copy except to give away).

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: robert_ellis 07 August, 2017, 04:50:56 PM
That's my understanding of the hachette system. In theory you could sign up for the marvel series now from issue 1 & get the free gifts. I really wish they'd not overlapped this with the MegaCollection. It seems odd to announce an extension of the original run and the 2000ad collection.
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: IndigoPrime 07 August, 2017, 05:33:19 PM
I'm glad it looks like the text pieces are continuing.
Although written by someone else, right? (A pity. I've been thoroughly enjoying Molch-R's work for the JD collection, not least the more thought-piece ones.)
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: metalmarc 07 August, 2017, 08:59:55 PM
Hello folks, when will these be available in the shops, is it now? I know i could sub online but i want to use these as an excuse to start getting back into going into town and buying something rather than sit at home, i miss the adventure of going to the shop when something interesting comes out, nowadays i'm just like blah i will wait for the Internet to send it to me.  :lol:
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: Mattofthespurs 07 August, 2017, 09:28:05 PM
In the shops in mid to late August is my understanding (21st? Something like that).
I'll pick up a couple of extra issue 1's to distribute to some of the local schools in the area.
Did that for the Mega Collection and one school said it went down so well they ended up picking up quite a few volumes for their library.
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: Pete Wells 07 August, 2017, 11:10:25 PM
So have any existing subscribers managed to subscribe properly yet?
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: The Monarch 08 August, 2017, 12:12:08 AM
I see the dictators of zrag and thrill suckers behind the huge tharg does this mean we will get a volume of tharg stories like i wanted?
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: abelardsnazz 08 August, 2017, 06:41:25 AM
Hello folks, when will these be available in the shops, is it now? I know i could sub online but i want to use these as an excuse to start getting back into going into town and buying something rather than sit at home, i miss the adventure of going to the shop when something interesting comes out, nowadays i'm just like blah i will wait for the Internet to send it to me.  :lol:

First issue in shops August 23rd, then fortnightly alternating with the Mega Collection. I've already given my local Thrill-merchant the heads up.
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: Davgardo 08 August, 2017, 08:52:10 AM
I'm glad it looks like the text pieces are continuing. The honest reappraisals of Dredd-world have been an eye opener.

Well I'd rather they didn't include rubbish in the 1st place: 'Yes we know Red Razors/Calhab Justice/Sleeze n Ryder/The Corps is crap but here it is anyway - thanks for your subscription'.

I really don't want to have to fork out to see Space Girls, Dinosty, Babe Race 2000 etc just so the intro/text piece can say how crap it was.
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: Richard 08 August, 2017, 09:15:47 AM
 :lol:
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: CalHab 08 August, 2017, 09:16:03 AM
I've been wondering whether to subscribe. Given that I already own four of the five advertised books, I think I'll probably just pick and choose. Obviously they plan on hooking new readers by including some big hitters early.
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: JaHawkDroid 08 August, 2017, 09:39:44 AM
Here's hoping the Thrill-Cast tomorrow gives more of an idea of what's included, and can help those on the fence.

I'm personally hoping for complete runs of major characters (Nemesis/Stronty/Slaine) and some anthologies of smaller stories and one-off volumes. This is an opportunity to truly be an Ultimate Collection and I hope it's not squandered.


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: Pete Wells 08 August, 2017, 10:40:03 AM
At the risk of being Captain Obvious, looking at that spine, we have:

Fatties, Tharg, Dredd, Stront, Sam Slade, ABC's, Dante, Stickleback, Rogue, Ampney Crucis, Nemesis, Skizz, Savage, Shakara, Skizz, Cabalistics, Sinister Dexter, Kingdom, Slaine, Halo Jones, Zombo, Bad Company, Ace Trucking, and DR and Quinch.

I wonder how many complete runs of these we can fit into 80 books? My addled brain can't do the maths.

I also wonder, if we get Clint Langley's ABC Warriors, will we get his Prog strips or his luxury, Graphic Novel edition versions (drool!)
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: Swerty 08 August, 2017, 10:46:15 AM
I'm hoping for a VCs edition.
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: IndigoPrime 08 August, 2017, 11:41:52 AM
Well I'd rather they didn't include rubbish in the 1st place: 'Yes we know Red Razors/Calhab Justice/Sleeze n Ryder/The Corps is crap but here it is anyway - thanks for your subscription'. I really don't want to have to fork out to see Space Girls, Dinosty, Babe Race 2000 etc just so the intro/text piece can say how crap it was.
I agree. The Dredd collection has mostly been good, but there was really no need to fill several books with content that was objectively crap. (If you wanted to get a taste of some of such strips, find something representative and shove it in a volume that has appropriate context.)

In the context of 2000 AD, there are strips here that people will disagree on, with regards to their quality. I can take or leave an awful lot of Rogue Trooper, for example; but there's no argument at least some of that should be in the collection. But there's an awful lot of utter garbage in 2000 AD's history that shouldn't be let anywhere near this collection, even if some of it has some redeeming features (Junker's Ridgeway art, say, which was pretty good on the whole).

That all said, I suspect it's been a hell of a lot more difficult to balance 80 books across 2000 AD's entire history than 80 books for Dredd. When you look at what's available for Dreddworld strip, it was perhaps inevitable we'd get some crap. With 2000 AD, it would be a waste if we get Babe Race 2000, just to get Millar's name on the front of a book.

I wonder how many complete runs of these we can fit into 80 books? My addled brain can't do the maths.

I did some very back-of-an-envelope calculations already (http://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=44203.msg964739#msg964739) for the major series. Looking at your list, and ignoring all Dredd and Tharg (I'm assuming he's there as a figurehead, because I really hope they don't fill one of these books with Dictators of Zrag bollocks – just grab issue 63 of Best of 2000 AD on eBay if you want that), I estimate full runs of those series would be over 90 books. And that's not really entirely full, given that I'm ignoring anything Rogue Trooper outside of the classic/Rennie/War Machine runs, Robo-Hunter outside of the stuff in the phone books, and I suspect have massively underestimated the amount of Sin/Dex material that's knocking around.

I don't envy Matt on this one. It's going to be impossible to please everyone. At the very least, I hope if series are quite heavily abbreviated, we get some synopses this time, like in the Marvel collections. If you jump ahead three books of Nikolai Dante, that can't happen on a page turn – you must outline what the hell happened in the meantime. (The Dredd collection sometimes suffers with this, and leads to a few series being more or less incoherent unless you're armed with multiple books and some patience.)
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: Pyroxian 08 August, 2017, 11:55:50 AM
With 2000 AD, it would be a waste if we get Babe Race 2000, just to get Millar's name on the front of a book.

Especially as you could just reprint Maniac 5 or Silo which were pretty decent.
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: IndigoPrime 08 August, 2017, 12:03:15 PM
Especially as you could just reprint Maniac 5 or Silo which were pretty decent.
Objectively, I wouldn't have either of those in the mix if I had 80 books to play with, with page counts likely on average lower than those of the Dredd collections. (On the basis of those in the test run.) Silo was OK, but on a re-read is pretty derivative and mostly saved by the art. Maniac 5 was brainless throwaway fun at its best, and certainly something I'd happily re-read in the Meg floppy, but I don't need to pay 10 quid for a hardback collection.
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: Eamonn Clarke 08 August, 2017, 01:17:10 PM
So have any existing subscribers managed to subscribe properly yet?

I've just subscribed through the link on their page and gave up trying to add the subscriber number they sent me.
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: Tjm86 08 August, 2017, 02:49:30 PM
I really don't want to have to fork out to see Space Girls, Dinosty, Babe Race 2000 etc just so the intro/text piece can say how crap it was.

Hey now.  This would be a cracking collection.  Add in Crusade, Valkyries, Big Dave, Fleischer's RT stuff, Millar's Robohunter ... What's the problem?
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: Smith 08 August, 2017, 03:02:48 PM
What's the problem?
There is already a Family Guy collection called A Big Book O' Crap.
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: Bolt-01 08 August, 2017, 03:13:30 PM
Ouch. Thing is, even the strips that are usually 'not' the top of a Squaxx' fave list have 'something' to recommend them.

Those strips all have pretty solid art droids on duty...
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: IndigoPrime 08 August, 2017, 03:21:00 PM
Which'd be fine if comics were all about looking at pictures, but they're not. (I just read The Complete Skizz, which rather sums this up nicely. Good grief, I'd forgotten how much of a mess the sequels were. Nice art, as ever – I can't recall Baike having ever put a foot wrong there – but, man, that was a painful trip back to a not-good period in 2000 AD's history.)
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: Tjm86 08 August, 2017, 03:35:08 PM

Those strips all have pretty solid art droids on duty...

True.  Fleischer's RT was some of Flint's earliest tooth work, wasn't it.  Casanovas was artist on Millar's Robohunter.  Wasn't Parkhouse drawing the world cup Big Dave?
: Re: New Hachette tests
: TordelBack 08 August, 2017, 07:27:06 PM

Those strips all have pretty solid art droids on duty...

True.  Fleischer's RT was some of Flint's earliest tooth work, wasn't it.  Casanovas was artist on Millar's Robohunter.  Wasn't Parkhouse drawing the world cup Big Dave?

Yeah, and L'il Coleby (also on RT) drew some of the worst scripts ever to appear in 2000AD. Ezquerra drew possibly THE worst Dredd episode, the closest rivals for that 'accolade' being drawn by Ron Smith and Mick Austin. And despite their considerable talents those episodes are too awful to think about, except to mourn the wasted talent.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: robert_ellis 08 August, 2017, 10:43:34 PM
I think those looking for complete runs of longer stories will be disappointed. Much as the MegaCollection doesn't repeat the Casefiles - I'd imagine this would be the same. Can't wait to hear the Podcast with Matt Smith.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: JaHawkDroid 09 August, 2017, 06:26:01 AM
I think those looking for complete runs of longer stories will be disappointed. Much as the MegaCollection doesn't repeat the Casefiles - I'd imagine this would be the same. Can't wait to hear the Podcast with Matt Smith.

Rather than complete collections, I've re-evaluated, and hope that this contains enough to give what feels like a full story to each character/series, which I think the Mega Collection achieved. It has to live up to that Ultimate name
: Re: New Hachette tests
: abelardsnazz 09 August, 2017, 08:11:23 AM
Just listened to the latest Thrill-cast and there's some major revelations from Tharg on there as to what will be included - I won't put any spoilers to give people a chance to listen.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: sheridan 09 August, 2017, 08:18:45 AM
Yeah, and L'il Coleby (also on RT) drew some of the worst scripts ever to appear in 2000AD. Ezquerra drew possibly THE worst Dredd episode, the closest rivals for that 'accolade' being drawn by Ron Smith and Mick Austin. And despite their considerable talents those episodes are too awful to think about, except to mourn the wasted talent.


Do on, you've got to reveal which Dredd episode you think is worst now!  I'm guessing the Mick Austin contender is Crusade?  And is the Ron Smith one Sugar Beat?
: Re: New Hachette tests
: moly 09 August, 2017, 08:38:47 AM
Listened to the prog cast even more looking forward to this now, full run of Dante it does sound like it will be the ultimate collection
: Re: New Hachette tests
: TordelBack 09 August, 2017, 09:29:48 AM
Do on, you've got to reveal which Dredd episode you think is worst now!  I'm guessing the Mick Austin contender is Crusade?  And is the Ron Smith one Sugar Beat?

My opinion fluctuates hourly, but as these are stories that I didn't read at the time, having already flounced off in disgust during Book of the Dead, I've only read them once and then in a disgusted peeking-throughmy-fingers rush, so my judgement may not be fair to those involved. But despite the usual excellent work of the three artists, I single out: Frankenstein Division, Judge Tyrannosaur and Crusade.   

There may be worse Dredds that are so poor, muddled and vacant (or badly drawn) that they have slipped out of awareness, but these three are memorably bad, even though I've only barely read them.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 09 August, 2017, 10:08:41 AM
I just changed the topic of the thread. I figured these aren't tests any more!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Davgardo 09 August, 2017, 10:13:27 AM
I will be curious to see the repro on the 70's & 80's stuff.

Some of the Dredd Mega Collection repro was superior to the Case Files (colour spreads etc) while some was just the same. So I'll watch with interest to see whether early Slaine, ABC Warriors Black Hole etc fair any better (if included).
For example, I'll probably stick with the Halo Jones Titan releases and the Nemesis Deviant Edition and look to see comments on here about the quality of further 70's & 80's releases.
Also, while it'd be nice to have hardbacks of Shakara, Bad Company and Button Man, if they're not as comprehensive as the PB's I own it'd be hard to justify.
Feel a bit guilty/disloyal about doing all that but my pockets aren't bottomless!
 
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 09 August, 2017, 10:55:44 AM
Frankly, it's all about business. There's for me no 'loyalty' argument with any of this stuff. If Matt went mad and decided 2000 AD should just be 28 pages of Junker: The Further Adventures every month, I wouldn't buy it just because.

With this collection, there has to be a value proposition to each person that justifies the outlay. If someone cannot afford it or doesn't want to replace existing collections with these new ones, fair dos. That doesn't mean they're somehow being a bad person with regards to 2000 AD.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: aceface11 09 August, 2017, 12:29:04 PM
Just FYI - you can now add your subscription number to the Hachette site without getting an error. I'm all subbed up for first free issues!

Matt
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: abelardsnazz 09 August, 2017, 12:49:40 PM

With this collection, there has to be a value proposition to each person that justifies the outlay. If someone cannot afford it or doesn't want to replace existing collections with these new ones, fair dos. That doesn't mean they're somehow being a bad person with regards to 2000 AD.

I am the target audience for this, given my 19+ wilderness years. As with the Mega Collection, I'm looking forward to catching up with what I've missed and revisiting the classics. I've bought a few GNs during the MC run but hopefully there won't be too much duplication.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: walrus 09 August, 2017, 01:05:38 PM
Just FYI - you can now add your subscription number to the Hachette site without getting an error. I'm all subbed up for first free issues!

Matt

Mine is still giving the error.

For those who subscribed to the test, is it the subscription number from back in March or have you been given a new subscription number?

Thanks
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Mattofthespurs 09 August, 2017, 01:29:34 PM
I've just logged in with the sub number I got via the email I received a few days ago.
Can't tell you if it was different from the one I got for the test issues or not as I don't have that information anymore.
Just phoned up and upgraded to the premium sub as well as there did not appear to be a way to do that via the Hachette account page.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: JaHawkDroid 09 August, 2017, 01:34:45 PM
I was emailed a new subscription number a few days back (Sunday, I believe) - just registered with that and it worked a treat
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Jim_Campbell 09 August, 2017, 02:17:02 PM
If you haven't listened to the Thrill-cast yet, there's a snippet in there about this that's tipped me over into a solid 'buy': The Complete Nikolai Dante — nine volumes in hardback.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: walrus 09 August, 2017, 02:33:47 PM
Thanks both. I have just checked my emails and I haven't had a new subscriber email sent. The only email I have received is the generic one on Friday saying that the test subscriptions will be reactivated.

I will wait and see if anything else arrives and then give them a call

Cheers
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Anthony Garnon 09 August, 2017, 02:34:43 PM
If you haven't listened to the Thrill-cast yet, there's a snippet in there about this that's tipped me over into a solid 'buy': The Complete Nikolai Dante — nine volumes in hardback.

And released in order too, it sounds like!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: JaHawkDroid 09 August, 2017, 02:37:47 PM
I would recommend messaging them on Facebook. They're great at responding
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: walrus 09 August, 2017, 02:46:14 PM
Thanks for the tip, I have heard they are quite good at responding on there. Unfortunately I don't have an account and am not going to join just to sort this.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 09 August, 2017, 03:18:19 PM
If you haven't listened to the Thrill-cast yet, there's a snippet in there about this that's tipped me over into a solid 'buy': The Complete Nikolai Dante — nine volumes in hardback.
YOU ARE NOT HELPING, JIM.

And released in order too, it sounds like!
AND NEITHER ARE YOU.

*sobs*
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Bolt-01 09 August, 2017, 03:35:40 PM
The worst thing here for me is that the only book of Dante I've not got is the second Tsar wars. So- do I let all my current trades go and get the UC versions or just pick up the UC edition that runs those issues?

: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 09 August, 2017, 03:39:26 PM
The worst thing here for me is that the only book of Dante I've not got is the second Tsar wars. So- do I let all my current trades go and get the UC versions or just pick up the UC edition that runs those issues?
Hard to advise. Mostly, I think I'm going to have someone (Matt? Molch-R? Jim?) explain to my wife why there are going to be two card boxes of books dropping through the letterbox every month now, rather than one. (I did get a "you may have to keep the books OR the Progs" response last weekend, although that was because she misunderstood the nature of the collection, with it being reprints of key stories, and not ALL of the stories. So I may be walking a fine line here.)
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Rara Avis 09 August, 2017, 03:40:41 PM
I signed up for this yesterday for the exact same reason .. after so many years in the wilderness I want to re-read some of my old favourites and other things I might have missed out on over the last couple of decades.

This is amazing as far as I'm concerned! This is amazing as far as I'm concerned! This is amazing as far as I'm concerned! This is amazing as far as I'm concerned! This is amazing as far as I'm concerned!

I am the target audience for this, given my 19+ wilderness years. As with the Mega Collection, I'm looking forward to catching up with what I've missed and revisiting the classics. I've bought a few GNs during the MC run but hopefully there won't be too much duplication.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Mattofthespurs 09 August, 2017, 04:12:22 PM
explain to my wife why there are going to be two card boxes of books dropping through the letterbox every month now, rather than one.
As I get The Mega Collection, The Marvel Graphic Novel collection, The DC Super Hero collection, The Doctor Who History, The Star Trek Graphic Novel collection, plus Build a Millenium Falcon and Build and R2-D2 I think one more may count as grounds for divorce.
Still, probably worth it
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 09 August, 2017, 04:21:02 PM
I may have pushed things recently by buying several large boxes of Marvel reprints on eBay (I mean some were just too good to turn down – 31 issues of Mighty World of Marvel for a fiver), having about 50 books in my office that I still haven't read, and through us lacking the space, even in an extended house. I do at least only get one partwork. (I bought the first 60 issues of the Marvel one on eBay, but then re-sold them at no loss. And I got the first issue of the Transformers one, but the repro was so appalling, I stopped right there. I've since seen scans of subsequent issues and, well, oh my.)
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Colin YNWA 09 August, 2017, 04:23:08 PM
Okay complete Dante in Hardback has my interest. Can I ask how big are the vplumes (dimensions rather than page count)? Do we know? I seem to recall from the nega collection they are normal 2000ad trade size? Couldn't spot it on the website.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 09 August, 2017, 04:31:10 PM
If they're the same as the Dredd books, they will be about 1cm shorter and 0.5cm deeper than Rebellion softbacks.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Mattofthespurs 09 August, 2017, 05:12:03 PM
I may have pushed things recently by buying several large boxes of Marvel reprints on eBay (I mean some were just too good to turn down – 31 issues of Mighty World of Marvel for a fiver), having about 50 books in my office that I still haven't read, and through us lacking the space, even in an extended house. I do at least only get one partwork. (I bought the first 60 issues of the Marvel one on eBay, but then re-sold them at no loss. And I got the first issue of the Transformers one, but the repro was so appalling, I stopped right there. I've since seen scans of subsequent issues and, well, oh my.)

I get you. I bought the complete collection of Planet of The Apes, Marvel UK, including the MWOM issues, for £30, plus the complete run of Dracula Lives for £25. I too bought the first Transformers, despite it being of little interest to me (I was 16 and more into football and girls when it first hit the stands) but, as you mentioned, the repro was awful.
Nearly all of the partworks, bar an issue or two, I don't touch until they have finished. I just like having a large collection of books to read once they have finished.
Weird, I know.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Jim_Campbell 09 August, 2017, 05:15:45 PM
Mostly, I think I'm going to have someone (Matt? Molch-R? Jim?) explain to my wife why there are going to be two card boxes of books dropping through the letterbox every month now, rather than one.

"It's a two-for-the-price-of-one special offer, dear"…?

(Although I haven't told mine yet. It's probably tax-deductible… yeah, that's it! It's research!)
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: moly 09 August, 2017, 05:27:57 PM
My niece is very excited about this as it means she will be getting a lot of graphic novels from myself, I've always passed on the megazine to her but not 2000ad
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Apestrife 09 August, 2017, 05:29:00 PM
Wonder if the Chopper character portrait means there'll be a "Chopper stories volume 2" in the 2000ad ultimate collection. Those penned by Ennis.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: moly 09 August, 2017, 05:35:16 PM
As they are doing the 9 Dante books does anyone know the page count as wondering how many issue it would take up
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 09 August, 2017, 05:40:16 PM
Wonder if the Chopper character portrait means there'll be a "Chopper stories volume 2" in the 2000ad ultimate collection. Those penned by Ennis.
Isn't pretty much all of Chopper going to be in the MC? However, Midnight Surfer was confirmed to NOT be in the collection, so perhaps that? A book of Dredd classics omitted from the MC run?

Nearly all of the partworks, bar an issue or two, I don't touch until they have finished. I just like having a large collection of books to read once they have finished.
I'm not sure I'd get away with that. My wife's not thrilled I have piles of magazines in the office (MacFormat and Retro Gamer) I've never read, although I do a Jim with those. (They are viably tax deductible, given that I write for both. Comics… not so much, sadly.)

As they are doing the 9 Dante books does anyone know the page count as wondering how many issue it would take up
Wasn't the suggestion elsewhere that it would be the entire run?

Looking at the 2000 AD shop, there's wiggle room regarding the existing collection, in that three of the books are a lot smaller than the others. The average page count for a ND volume is therefore 200 (which is at the lower end of the JDMC volumes, but seemingly about par for the 2000 AD ones).

Full counts, if anyone cares: 192; 208; 144; 160; 144; 208; 224; 172; 192; 192; 224. Average: 206. (This doesn't count the 'extra' story we got recently, but that'd bump things up by, what, one page, tops, on average?)
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Apestrife 09 August, 2017, 05:44:27 PM
Isn't pretty much all of Chopper going to be in the MC? However, Midnight Surfer was confirmed to NOT be in the collection, so perhaps that? A book of Dredd classics omitted from the MC run?

Wasn't it Un-american grafitti that'd get left out, but later hinted at still being somewhere else in the collection?

When I asked on the fb page about them possible omitting everything after Song of the surfer, I was told that The Big Meg was still getting collected.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: moly 09 August, 2017, 05:49:07 PM
Cheers indigoprime that's a big chunk out of 80 volumes but very happy they are doing the full run
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Southstreeter 09 August, 2017, 06:56:52 PM
The worst thing here for me is that the only book of Dante I've not got is the second Tsar wars. So- do I let all my current trades go and get the UC versions or just pick up the UC edition that runs those issues?

Me too, though I think it's the first volume of Tsar Wars I don't have. Dilemma, though I'm not sure I'd want to buy 9 volumes of it at £10 a pop.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 09 August, 2017, 07:00:16 PM
Wasn't it Un-american grafitti that'd get left out, but later hinted at still being somewhere else in the collection?
ARGH – yes, you're right.

I was told that The Big Meg was still getting collected.
I didn't mind that one. And even the Ennis follow-up wasn't too bad. That Supersurf 13 dreck though (McKenzie?)… urgh.

Me too, though I think it's the first volume of Tsar Wars I don't have. Dilemma, though I'm not sure I'd want to buy 9 volumes of it at £10 a pop.
Sell the others on eBay first?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: JLC 09 August, 2017, 07:02:50 PM
Will there be any Indigo Prime?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Jim_Campbell 09 August, 2017, 07:03:44 PM
As they are doing the 9 Dante books does anyone know the page count as wondering how many issue it would take up
Wasn't the suggestion elsewhere that it would be the entire run?

Matt very specifically said the complete Nikolai Dante. Also, a complete collection of Cabballistics, with a bit of Absalom thrown in to round out the page count. Plus, a complete collection of the Abnett/Harrison Durham Red in three (I think) volumes, which I'm sure will look amazing in a hardcover on decent paper.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Colin YNWA 09 August, 2017, 07:10:08 PM
If they're the same as the Dredd books, they will be about 1cm shorter and 0.5cm deeper than Rebellion softbacks.

Cool - thank you. Man that makes the Dante issues at least pretty tempting... if only the size was... yes, yes I'm being greedy!

Also, a complete collection of Cabballistics...

But is that possible... snark snark...
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: marko10174 09 August, 2017, 07:20:19 PM

 I wonder how they are going to release Nikolai Dante, currently books 4,5 and 7 are the only one's out of print, and will be the most desirable. It's a nightmare only be able to get 8 out of 11 of the books.
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Dandontdare 09 August, 2017, 07:53:03 PM
I assume the figurines will be the Doctor Who or Marvel sized, as per usual. Bloody expensive if they are, and no Slaine!!!! maybe there is more to come if the collection is extended.

How big is that? Hard to tell from those pictures.

I think I'm out though - I don't have the (any) space, I've got almost all of it in prog form, I preferred the old free gifts and I got the first four books free anyway. Still, they are nice volumes ... oh for a man-cave!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: judgerufian 09 August, 2017, 09:22:19 PM
After trawling through the website of the collection and 30 pages of forum chat, is there no definite list of any of the volumes beyond the first 5? I'dlike to know what im actually going to be subscribing to before i part with 800 quid...!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: JaHawkDroid 09 August, 2017, 10:08:34 PM
After trawling through the website of the collection and 30 pages of forum chat, is there no definite list of any of the volumes beyond the first 5? I'dlike to know what im actually going to be subscribing to before i part with 800 quid...!

They don't release a full list, unfortunately. Just as they come out. Though we know we're getting the full Nikolai Dante, which is 8/9 of the books. We can also assume we'll get all of Nemesis and Slaine. Beyond that; anybody's guess really. Only Tharg knows.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Steve Green 09 August, 2017, 10:11:28 PM
You can add Abnett/Harrison Durham Red and complete Caballistics Inc.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: abelardsnazz 09 August, 2017, 11:05:48 PM
And a Skizz/DR & Quinch volume
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: BPP 09 August, 2017, 11:16:50 PM
Wouldn't the complete Slaine be an awful lot of books?

Dante makes sense as its a complete story that pretty quickly became about moving the chess pieces around the board and tough if you hadn't read the prior moves. Slaine? Lots of that is stand alone material. One book per period would be more than enough (B&W, Bisley, Langley, Davis)

Jim - I think the Durham Red was 3 volumes (ie series) in one Book - its 37 issues of material so around 222 pages. Matt said something along the lines of 'that'll be one nice book'.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: judgerufian 10 August, 2017, 12:21:01 AM
After trawling through the website of the collection and 30 pages of forum chat, is there no definite list of any of the volumes beyond the first 5? I'dlike to know what im actually going to be subscribing to before i part with 800 quid...!

They don't release a full list, unfortunately. Just as they come out. Though we know we're getting the full Nikolai Dante, which is 8/9 of the books. We can also assume we'll get all of Nemesis and Slaine. Beyond that; anybody's guess really. Only Tharg knows.

Cheers all
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: The Monarch 10 August, 2017, 02:56:26 AM
and also hewligans haircut with sooner or later
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Jim_Campbell 10 August, 2017, 07:09:24 AM
Jim - I think the Durham Red was 3 volumes (ie series) in one Book - its 37 issues of material so around 222 pages. Matt said something along the lines of 'that'll be one nice book'.

Ah. Brilliant -- ta!
: Re: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: JaHawkDroid 10 August, 2017, 07:21:27 AM
Finally got around to this week's thrill cast - Matt's enthusiasm for this collection is really quite infectious. Very excited for this launch now


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: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: marko10174 10 August, 2017, 08:09:18 AM

 The full Nikolai Dante is music to my ears. Though, how many books are being released per month? I could potentially be waiting a long time for them to be released.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: moly 10 August, 2017, 08:16:15 AM
Two issues a month so just over 3 years for the set
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Skullmo 10 August, 2017, 09:11:49 AM

 The full Nikolai Dante is music to my ears. Though, how many books are being released per month? I could potentially be waiting a long time for them to be released.

Really hope they release them in reading order
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 10 August, 2017, 09:38:56 AM
Wouldn't the complete Slaine be an awful lot of books?
It would. My estimate is 12–13. You could reorder some of classic Sláine and end up with eight volumes at ~220 pages each. Then assuming two new Sláine volumes per book, you have another four to take you through to Psychopomp. Then Book of Scars needs to go somewhere.

I suppose with Sláine, it depends on what people would need to get the best of the strip. Frankly, they could probably skip from Horned God to Book of Invasions, along with omitting Scars, and not really miss much. (That would then be, what, six books?) But you must also be mindful that Sláine is undoubtedly one of 2000 AD's big hitters. It makes sense for his exploits to take up a fairly big chunk of the collection.

Really hope they release them in reading order
Wasn't there another post here that said this would be the case? Frankly, it's inexcusable if they don't with continuity-heavy strips. I get that hook, in wanting people to continue with the partwork, but that already happens by providing series piecemeal anyway (and the books being released 'out of order'). There's no need to go for the reader-hostile route of: "You already have parts 5, 8 and 2 of Dante, and so here’s part… 7! Part 1? Oh, you'll get that next year."

As I recall, the Marvel partwork dealt with this reasonably well, in terms of multi-volume books (although they are fewer in number, and based around arcs rather than characters). The Transformers one doesn't care in the slightest (which given the continuity hell within that strip – or set of strips – will be 'interesting' for those collecting it).
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 10 August, 2017, 10:07:34 AM
I just had a go at compiling my ideal line-up, and it's basically impossible to fit into 80 books, which says a lot for the quality of 2000 AD's output. (I got it down to 86, with some omissions that probably wouldn't go down terribly well here). One thing that sprang to mind, though, is that the following work rather nicely:

Peter Milligan does 2000 AD (Hewligan's Haircut, Sooner or Later, Tribal memories. The Dead): one book
John Smith (Cradlegrave, Leatherjack, Firekind, Revere ): two books of material

It'd be lovely to find some of those tucked away later in the series, when it’s gone subs-only (rather than still being drive quite a lot by newsstand).
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Link Prime 10 August, 2017, 10:26:22 AM

Peter Milligan does 2000 AD (Hewligan's Haircut, Sooner or Later, Tribal memories. The Dead) Bix Barton: one book

: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: TordelBack 10 August, 2017, 10:44:39 AM
Peter Milligan does 2000 AD (Hewligan's Haircut, Sooner or Later, Tribal memories. The Dead): one book
John Smith (Cradlegrave, Leatherjack, Firekind, Revere ): two books of material

Lawks, those would be among the greatest comic book collections ever assembled. Especially the Smith. I presume this is in addition to the Bad Company, Indigo Prime and Tyranny Rex volumes? And what about Swifty's Return?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 10 August, 2017, 11:23:26 AM
Lawks, those would be among the greatest comic book collections ever assembled. Especially the Smith. I presume this is in addition to the Bad Company, Indigo Prime and Tyranny Rex volumes? And what about Swifty's Return?
In my list o’ wishes, Swifty's Return 'is' Sooner or Later (as in, within that page count). I had Indigo Prime down for two volumes (although that would need some filler) and Tyranny Rex for one. Bad Company I only included up to the end of the original b+w run (i.e. before that weird colour one, and omitting any of the more recent stuff).

But, yeah, given that some of the John Smith stuff hasn't been collected bar in floppies/Extreme Editions, I'd especially love to see Firekind in this collection (and Revere also, although I realise that one's divisive). And the Milligan stuff, too.
: Re: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: JaHawkDroid 10 August, 2017, 12:17:35 PM
Just want to take a moment to blame this collection for my upcoming bankruptcy. Re-started both my monthly Prog/Meg subscription and my Mega Collection subscription because I've got a bit more disposable than I did back in March, and I'm fully back aboard the 2000AD wagon. Dammit.


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: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Mute77 10 August, 2017, 01:10:54 PM
So torn with the new collections. The dredd partworks was easier to dismiss because i'd gone down the case files route but a complete Dante and Bad Co in hardcover are very tempting.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Swerty 10 August, 2017, 01:37:04 PM
ABC Warriors with the colour centre spreads like the mek files.It looks like 9 volumes for those.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 10 August, 2017, 01:53:08 PM
Yeah. 700 pages of Langley-illustrated ABC Warriors so far, so that's at least three books. About the same of classic-era. Then solo missions – although Deadlock would probably be better welded on to the end of Nemesis. Ro-Busters, if complete, would likely be two books (as per the hardbacks).
: Re: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: JaHawkDroid 10 August, 2017, 01:59:03 PM
I'm probably the minority here, but I hope this collection does follow the complete run route for the characters it features. I wouldn't want half of ABC Warriors, then need to pick up some random trades/phone books for the rest.
I'd prefer a smaller character selection with longer storylines.


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: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 10 August, 2017, 02:03:30 PM
I'd especially love to see Firekind in this collection
Although, on the basis of what's in the podcast, it presumably won't be. Rats.

(Matt mentions mainly going for big characters, and collections that fit within the page count demands, which are apparently 200–250. Ampney Crucis and Stickleback have been mentioned as modern strips to balance the big guns out. Double bills have been used in some cases, as already noted, for shorter series – although not Firekind in this initial run.)
: Re: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Skullmo 10 August, 2017, 02:39:30 PM
I'm probably the minority here, but I hope this collection does follow the complete run route for the characters it features. I wouldn't want half of ABC Warriors, then need to pick up some random trades/phone books for the rest.
I'd prefer a smaller character selection with longer storylines.


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I personally will pick up the books that have not been reprinted before. I would love to have a collection of ABC Warriors Black hole that had better scans than the ones used in the Mek Files - which was very poor.
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: JaHawkDroid 10 August, 2017, 03:41:42 PM
As a whole, the repro in the Mega Collection was pretty great. Can't think of any terrible examples off-hand, so hoping this series will match/exceed that


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: Skullmo 10 August, 2017, 03:45:56 PM
As a whole, the repro in the Mega Collection was pretty great. Can't think of any terrible examples off-hand, so hoping this series will match/exceed that


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There were a lot of issues with the total war and day of chaos volumes, I still dont have one with blurring in it. A lot of the earlier art had bleaching issues in the scan - the linework in Father earth springs  to mind.

: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 10 August, 2017, 03:54:22 PM
I'd say the majority of issues in the JDMC had repro that could be considered good or better. Some older coloured strips had moire, but not to the degree Rebellion content used to (that first Swimming in Blood – *shudder*), and a few b+w strips clearly need some kind of re-scan. But, again, if you want to stare truly terrible repro in the face, take a look at the eye-openingly appalling mess IDW made of Marvel-era Transformers.
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: Tjm86 10 August, 2017, 04:40:18 PM
Just want to take a moment to blame this collection for my upcoming bankruptcy. Re-started both my monthly Prog/Meg subscription and my Mega Collection subscription because I've got a bit more disposable than I did back in March, and I'm fully back aboard the 2000AD wagon. Dammit.


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That's how it works, see.  They offer you the odd prog to get you interested, then a monthly meg ...

The next thing you know you're mainlining partworks and OD'ing on the Cursed Earth saga in Welsh!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Skullmo 10 August, 2017, 05:00:37 PM
I'd say the majority of issues in the JDMC had repro that could be considered good or better. Some older coloured strips had moire, but not to the degree Rebellion content used to (that first Swimming in Blood – *shudder*), and a few b+w strips clearly need some kind of re-scan. But, again, if you want to stare truly terrible repro in the face, take a look at the eye-openingly appalling mess IDW made of Marvel-era Transformers.

Sadly, if I am going to pay £10 for a book I expect the repro to be very good. Falling below that standard just irritates me. Maybe I think £10 is a lot of money, I am not that rich to waste money.

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: TordelBack 10 August, 2017, 05:26:15 PM
Maybe I think £10 is a lot of money, I am not that rich to waste money.

It is a lot of money, and your choice not to spend it. But find me a full-colour 200-page hardback of choice comics for less, 100% successful repro or not.
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: Mattofthespurs 10 August, 2017, 05:51:40 PM
Maybe I think £10 is a lot of money, I am not that rich to waste money.

It is a lot of money, and your choice not to spend it. But find me a full-colour 200-page hardback of choice comics for less, 100% successful repro or not.

I agree. It's value for money even if it's not perfect, and what in this life is.
Some of this stuff is 40 years old and wasn't even close to perfect in the original issues.
I'm grateful that this stuff is coming.
Take my money!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: davidbishop 10 August, 2017, 06:51:54 PM
I'd say the majority of issues in the JDMC had repro that could be considered good or better. Some older coloured strips had moire, but not to the degree Rebellion content used to (that first Swimming in Blood – *shudder*), and a few b+w strips clearly need some kind of re-scan. But, again, if you want to stare truly terrible repro in the face, take a look at the eye-openingly appalling mess IDW made of Marvel-era Transformers.

Some of the problems with Swimming in Blood go right back to the original artwork scans. It was huge and multi-layered and we never managed to get a decent scan for several of Sean's amazing pages. *sigh*
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: IndigoPrime 10 August, 2017, 08:24:25 PM
Yeah, I recall discussing the art at the time (possibly with you, and definitely with Dom Preston). I don't doubt the art caused problems, but, wow, that book was a disaster. Fortunately, technology's moved on to the point even tricky art can often be cleaned up nicely, despite the odd snag here and there. (The Luke Kirby volume still has some moire here and there, but it's mostly subtle, and not throughout the book.)

Still, like I said, you're never going to get perfect retro from old material. I'm just glad Rebellion cares enough about its content to do the best it can, rather than farming out old content to somewhere in India and running the lot through a 'wreck artwork' filter, as appears to have happened with Transformers. (I mean, seriously; if you're going to 'update' the art, don't obliterate the fine details, make the result look like it was coloured and inked by a child, and – for an encore – realise the text is often broken, and therefore litter the result with typos.)
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: Link Prime 10 August, 2017, 10:06:02 PM
Maybe I think £10 is a lot of money, I am not that rich to waste money.

Ah c'mon Julius, sure you use Bolland original art to light your cigars.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Davgardo 11 August, 2017, 08:32:54 AM
There was a debate on the MC thread about repro so I won't re-open that can of worms here! Generally however, the repro was good, especially when treated to colour spreads (of which there seemed to be no pattern: sometimes we got 'em and sometime we didn't). Occasionally it WAS poor though: The Haunting of Sector House 9 was probably the worst, while others like Engram and Return of Rico bleached out the finer details.
Early Slaine reproduced to a good standard would be glorious - yes I'm looking at you Sky Chariots!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: TordelBack 11 August, 2017, 01:14:48 PM
Early Slaine reproduced to a good standard would be glorious - yes I'm looking at you Sky Chariots!

I wouldn't hold your breath on that one.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Eamonn Clarke 11 August, 2017, 01:57:29 PM
If you raise any queries with subscription department and you then get a phone call from a South African call centre, that's them.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Rately 11 August, 2017, 04:35:43 PM
Subscriber number finally accepted, and direct debit set up.

Excited as I'm finally going to catch up on the likes of Dante, Stickleback etc.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: moly 11 August, 2017, 05:12:35 PM
Has anyone who signed up for the trial been able to register with the trial sub number or been emailed with new details
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Eamonn Clarke 11 August, 2017, 06:27:32 PM
Has anyone who signed up for the trial been able to register with the trial sub number or been emailed with new details
Judging by my experience with telephone support today you want your account details to show your delivery address as the same as your billing address in every detail, including lower and upper case letters. Then try adding the sub number again.
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: moly 11 August, 2017, 10:46:10 PM
Cheers Eamonn
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: moly 12 August, 2017, 06:13:25 PM
Bugger just realised the massive book case I brought for the judge dredd mega collection and assorted 2000ad, statues, figures etc etc isn't going to cut the mustard with this new collection oh well back to ikea, can just imagine my wife reaction :D
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Pete Wells 12 August, 2017, 07:57:55 PM
The making of Boo Cooks' Ultimate Collection Spine is on 2000AD Covers Uncovered. It's amazing the effort that something like this requires. His account of it is hilarious and horrifying in equal measure! You can read it here: http://2000ad.com/post/2113 (http://2000ad.com/post/2113)

(http://2000ad.com/assets/pimg/00/1d/89.jpg)
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: TordelBack 12 August, 2017, 10:23:04 PM
Not only the most flawlessly amazing single piece of comics art I've seen in many, many years, but also the best ever Covers Uncovered entry. Double congrats! 

I would never have thought a spine image could make me want to subscribe to something so ultimately expensive, but this one does.  Bravo Boo.

(Feek's friends are ugh-bugs, are they not?) 
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: matty_ae 13 August, 2017, 08:25:46 AM
That's very very cool. I love Boo's colouring.

Also on the Hachette mock-ups it looked like all their feet were cut-off in order to have the book title on the spine. Really hoping this is just an unfortunate mock-up that is not scaled properly.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Pete Wells 13 August, 2017, 09:47:51 AM
I adore this little sequence, Dante getting his arse felt by Ro-Jaws while he stops Nemesis from killing Stickleback:

(https://s23.postimg.org/lqbqaytnf/IMG_1828.jpg)

What I'm keen to see, however, is what issue will get that prominent pile of shit from the bottom left on the spines. Will it be the Space Girls reprint? The Millar Robohunter issue? Junker?  :lol:
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: abelardsnazz 13 August, 2017, 11:27:56 AM
it's a truly amazing piece of work and a fascinating insight into its creation. Thanks Boo and Pete.
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: davidbishop 13 August, 2017, 11:33:22 AM
I adore this little sequence, Dante getting his arse felt by Ro-Jaws while he stops Nemesis from killing Stickleback:

(https://s23.postimg.org/lqbqaytnf/IMG_1828.jpg)

What I'm keen to see, however, is what issue will get that prominent pile of shit from the bottom left on the spines. Will it be the Space Girls reprint? The Millar Robohunter issue? Junker?  :lol:

I'm thinking Space Girls, Soul Sisters & Dead Men Walking in one tome - maybe throw B.L.A.I.R. 1 on top of this bonfire of my vanities...  ;)

davidbishop
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: Woolly 13 August, 2017, 04:45:52 PM
I'm thinking Space Girls, Soul Sisters & Dead Men Walking in one tome - maybe throw B.L.A.I.R. 1 on top of this bonfire of my vanities...  ;)

davidbishop

You're way too hard on yourself, y'know. Dead Men Walking was loads of fun, and your other contributions to the Prog/Meg/Books (Fiends, Savage Amusement, Cursed Earth Asylum, Silencer, Bad Moon Rising, Straight-jacket Fits, to name but a few) have been mostly fantastic*. Especially the novels.
And, y'know, you helped save the fucking prog!

Seriously, big yourself up for once! You've earned it!





*That said, Space Girls was utter shit  ;)
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 14 August, 2017, 12:29:48 PM
https://www.facebook.com/2000ADCollection/posts/1852317801763210?comment_id=1852402051754785&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D

The Facebook page has been forthcoming with complete details on the Nikolai Dante books - they are volumes 1-9. I will let you follow the link to see the issue numbers, but they too are in chronological l order rather than the typical partwork nonsense.

What this does mean though is that the Stront issue coming early on may well be first of those, and as it is volume 11 there's not exactly a lot of room for a complete run of SD. Maybe they are going for colour content over b/w.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 14 August, 2017, 12:41:40 PM
PS I also asked about BAD Company - https://www.facebook.com/2000ADCollection/posts/1850963138565343?comment_id=1852390945089229&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D
You'll be happy to hear that Bad Company Vol 1 & 2 will feature in the collection! Issues 33 and 50, Volumes 52 and 53.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: abelardsnazz 14 August, 2017, 12:48:36 PM
Other information in answers to questions on the Facebook page as follows:

No plans for Red Seas, Indigo Prime, Tyranny Rex or the Ten Seconders at present

Ampney Crucis is issue 68, stickleback issue 46, one of these is volume 65

Agreed regarding Strontium Dog, hopefully it will include some of the classic B&W stories like Outlaw & Rage. Also wondering what Rogue & Slaine will be included and whether Nemesis will be a complete run.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 14 August, 2017, 01:06:58 PM
No Red Seas isn't a surprise, given the presumably less than stellar sales of two attempts at the strip in the Rebellion trades. Indigo Prime's omission is a blow though – not least the superb and beautifully weird Killing Time. I wonder if there will be any John Smith series in this, then? (Matt said on the podcast Firekind's not in there.)

I suppose Boo's art provides an indication of the bulk of what we can expect:

(L-to-R) Tharg and dictators of Zrag; Dredd; Strontium Dog; Robo-Hunter; ABC Warriors; Nikolai Dante; Stickleback; Nemesis the Warlock; Skizz; Durham Red; Rogue Trooper; Bill Savage (so Invasion and/or Savage); Shakara; Ampney Crucis; Caballistics; Kingdom; Sinister Dexter; Slain; Zombo; Ace Trucking; Halo Jones; DR & Quinch; Bad Company.

Also: good to see: 1) they're being forthcoming about what is and isn't in there (after all, why not be?), and; 2) they've gone for chronological release order for Nikolai Dante. Here's hoping they do the same for other series. (But, man, issue 77 for the last Nikolai Dante book. SO FAR AWAY!)
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: Colin YNWA 14 August, 2017, 01:25:04 PM

Also: good to see: 1) they're being forthcoming about what is and isn't in there (after all, why not be?), and; 2) they've gone for chronological release order for Nikolai Dante. Here's hoping they do the same for other series. (But, man, issue 77 for the last Nikolai Dante book. SO FAR AWAY!)

Yeah but if they are good (I'm a little nervous about the size) only having to wait 2 years (I think) to have a full hardcover collection of Dante is pretty bloomin' cool.

Thanks for the link to the Dante issue numbers Tomwe I'm gonna have to try really hard to make sure I get these if the first one turns out okay... quite excited by the prospect.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: TordelBack 14 August, 2017, 01:53:09 PM
Yeah but if they are good (I'm a little nervous about the size) only having to wait 2 years (I think) to have a full hardcover collection of Dante is pretty bloomin' cool.

Your sums are a bit off there Pete, sorry force of habit, Colin: at 26 volumes a year, Issue 77 is three years away. The year of hindsight.

Sorry that Red Seas isn't in there (I can understand why, but still), but no Firekind nor Indigo Prime...  that really is a pity.  The Bagwell IP series alone would justify inclusion, never mind what wonders came before.  Still, I'm assuming Cradlegrave made the cut: there are tough choices and then there is madness.
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: JaHawkDroid 14 August, 2017, 01:53:58 PM
Glad they've split Dante equally over the run. Gives me something to excited for.

Though I do wish they'd just release the series list.


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: IndigoPrime 14 August, 2017, 02:11:47 PM
(I'm a little nervous about the size)
in what way? Page sizes are only fractionally shorter than a standard trade. But also the books are really sturdy. (A lot of my Rebellion paperbacks have now warped, from being stood on end for years.)

no Firekind nor Indigo Prime...  that really is a pity
From what Matt was saying on the podcast, the series is mostly about major players, with the odd other volume for a taste of other things. And although there are some double-bills, they seem to have been reserved for relative heavy hitters (Skizz/DR & Quinch). A Smith volume would have been lovely, but there you go. (And no Indigo Prime at all is such a shame. Still, if it extends beyond 80 issues…)

I'm assuming Cradlegrave made the cut: there are tough choices and then there is madness.
I don't recall it being mentioned either way, but I wouldn't hold my breath, given the comment – made several times – that decisions were often down to fitting page count (200–250). So Cradlegrave would have to be part of a book with a bunch of other stuff (some kind of horror volume, perhaps). I'd happily buy that, obv.

Though I do wish they'd just release the series list.
Likewise. I imagine the publisher likes surprising people now and again or assumes people would be less likely to take a punt on seeing what is/isn't in the series. Honestly, I'm still on the fence because of knowing more, rather than less. The podcast, if anything, put me off of subscribing, because I found more stuff I don't care for in the mix, and things I'd loved to have seen confirmed as omitted. For others, it'll be the other way around. But, yeah, knowing what your investment of 800 quid is going to get you would be nice.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: JamesC 14 August, 2017, 02:27:21 PM
Personally I'm happy to go ahead with this without knowing exactly what is and isn't going to be included. I quite like the element of surprise.
Whatever happens there'll certainly be plenty of stuff I like and a good amount of stuff that I don't.
Then again, stuff that I haven't previously enjoyed in the prog sometimes reads better in one go.
As a 'best of' collection I'm happy to have a taste of various strips without having series collected in full. What's the point of taking up 5 volumes with Strontium Dog when this stuff is already in print? As for things like RoboHunter - I'd be more than happy to leave it at Verdus with possibly a couple of the Hogan stories and the first Samantha Slade strip.
Rogue Trooper could comfortably fit in two volumes for me (perhaps even one) and that includes War Machine.

I guess we can all be armchair editors but I'm generally happy to pay 10 quid an issue for a hardback collection.
: Re: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 14 August, 2017, 02:29:53 PM
Still, if it extends beyond 80 issues…)
Having just plugged the info into a sheet to work out the dates I'm slightly reeling at the prospect of waiting until Summer 2020 for any extension.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: TordelBack 14 August, 2017, 02:43:53 PM
I wonder how it will handle Sinister Dexter?  Picking and choosing from that one never seems to pay off.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: JamesC 14 August, 2017, 02:53:49 PM
I wonder how it will handle Sinister Dexter?  Picking and choosing from that one never seems to pay off.

I doubt we'll ever see a complete collection. I'm not sure how many pages the larger 'event' stories take up but I'd like to see these included with some of the better one offs as filler.
As Sin/Dex isn't available already I'd be happy to devote a few volumes to it.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: TordelBack 14 August, 2017, 03:12:34 PM
It'd be nice if we got at least two.  You could (I think) do Eurocrash and Downlode Tales in one volumed (something around 210 pages), but it you could fit maybe 25 carerfully-selected episodes in ahead of Eurocrash in the first volume, and then run Downlode tales and another 20 in after that.  That'd give a nice flavour of one-offs and continuity events.   That's probably the best you could do: there's just too much of it, something like 160 individual stories, a lot of them one-episodes, but plenty of them longer, and more still key elements in definite arcs.  Of course the recent Meg floppies might hint at the easy availability of everything running from Downlode Tales to the War of the Moses.

Anyone have an overall page count in their head/spreadsheet/headsheet?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Mardroid 14 August, 2017, 03:13:24 PM
I guess we can all be armchair editors but I'm generally happy to pay 10 quid an issue for a hardback collection.

I'll probably pick and choose, but I agree. If one pays around £15.00 for a hardback comic collection / GN,  that would be in the lower price range. £10 is an absolute bargain. Not one that we can all afford but then with the back issue option one can order when they're able.

That's what my plans were for the Megacollection, and I'm way behind there. I actually subscribed for the first bunch of volumes (thus getting the free gifts, too, etc) then cancelled when money was tight and ordered on occasion or grabbed a volume from FP when I was that way.

I'm sort of tempted to do the same with this, but I'm not keen on a collection of Shakara.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 14 August, 2017, 03:23:55 PM
I'm not keen on a collection of Shakara.
My brain cannot process that sentence.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Mardroid 14 August, 2017, 03:30:23 PM
I'm not keen on a collection of Shakara.
My brain cannot process that sentence.

Heh. I thought I'd get a response like that.

The art and creature designs are great. I just never got much from the stories, (or general lack thereof)  although that improved later.

I. E. Lots of Aliens gang up on one. He kills them all and shouts his name a lot.
Repeat

It's strange as I generally like most stuff others like and dislike, and I don't hate Shakara, to be fair. I just didn't find much there story-wise.

To be fair, maybe a volume might change that perception.
: Re: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Colin YNWA 14 August, 2017, 03:33:58 PM
(I'm a little nervous about the size)
in what way? Page sizes are only fractionally shorter than a standard trade. But also the books are really sturdy. (A lot of my Rebellion paperbacks have now warped, from being stood on end for years.)


I always worry about size... but then that could just be a personal hang up!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Davgardo 14 August, 2017, 03:40:06 PM
I'm aware that I'm going to get it in the neck here but ... doesn't anyone else feel that in an 80 volume 2000ad collection (before extensions) that devoting 9 volumes (>10%) to one character seems a bit excessive?
(Ducks)
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Dark Jimbo 14 August, 2017, 03:56:38 PM
I'm aware that I'm going to get it in the neck here but ... doesn't anyone else feel that in an 80 volume 2000ad collection (before extensions) that devoting 9 volumes (>10%) to one character seems a bit excessive?

You know what? Yes. It is.

BUT almost more than any Tooth series, Dante is all about the long-form beginning-middle-end narrative. It's just madness to collect it any other way. Plus, well, it's one of the jewels in Tharg's crown.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Steve Green 14 August, 2017, 04:09:05 PM
I'm not keen on a collection of Shakara.
My brain cannot process that sentence.

Heh. I thought I'd get a response like that.

The art and creature designs are great. I just never got much from the stories, (or general lack thereof)  although that improved later.

I. E. Lots of Aliens gang up on one. He kills them all and shouts his name a lot.
Repeat

It's strange as I generally like most stuff others like and dislike, and I don't hate Shakara, to be fair. I just didn't find much there story-wise.

To be fair, maybe a volume might change that perception.

That's a fair appraisal based on the first book - it's pretty much the first couple of Nemesis stories remixed for a whole volume.

Mysterious alien in funky spaceship crops up, causes mayhem, says one word and then fucks off again...

Thankfully it did develop beyond that in the remaining books.

Shame sales of the first hardback didn't justify doing the rest at that size.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 14 August, 2017, 04:17:17 PM
That's a fair appraisal based on the first book - it's pretty much the first couple of Nemesis stories remixed for a whole volume.
That's how I took it too – and it felt very 2000 AD. Sure, it's lightweight in terms of plot, but I don't mind that now and again, and I'm happy to see it's going to show up in this collection.

I'm aware that I'm going to get it in the neck here but ... doesn't anyone else feel that in an 80 volume 2000ad collection (before extensions) that devoting 9 volumes (>10%) to one character seems a bit excessive?
For me, it depends on various factors, including the actual character, and the nature of the strip. With 2000 AD, remove Dredd and you've arguably a handful of standout major strips, of which Dante is one of them. Most importantly, hack out bits of that strip and it makes no sense, in a manner that's rarely true for anything else 2000 AD has run. (In fact, are there any other major strips that couldn't be heavily abbreviated? Perhaps Nemesis? Certainly, you could remove big chunks of Strontium Dog, Rogue Trooper, Sláine, Sinister Dexter, ABC Warriors, etc., and lose little from an ongoing narrative standpoint.)
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Max Headroom 14 August, 2017, 04:36:23 PM
I would really like a complete 'Sinister Dexter' collection (with no omissions) either in this Ultimate Collection or under Rebellion's own releases. It's a great strip in my opinion and more worthy of being collected than a lot of those that seem to make it to reprint. Maybe one day...?
: Re: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: JaHawkDroid 14 August, 2017, 04:46:33 PM
I would really like a complete 'Sinister Dexter' collection (with no omissions) either in this Ultimate Collection or under Rebellion's own releases. It's a great strip in my opinion and more worthy of being collected than a lot of those that seem to make it to reprint. Maybe one day...?

They reprinted a large amount of it recently (within the last year) as bag-ins with the Meg, though I can see the appeal for proper trades


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: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 14 August, 2017, 04:53:41 PM
It wouldn't surprise me if they do a Red Seas with that eventually, and do massive digital trades. I'll be bloody amazed if we ever see a complete run in print though.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: matty_ae 14 August, 2017, 05:05:07 PM

You know what? Yes. It is.

BUT almost more than any Tooth series, Dante is all about the long-form beginning-middle-end narrative. It's just madness to collect it any other way. Plus, well, it's one of the jewels in Tharg's crown.

I couldn't agree more with this assessment on both counts. As a lapsed reader who missed everything from prog 900 - 1600 this story really stood head and shoulders above the rest. I hope this leads to loads of lapsed readers having the same experience I did, of realising they really missed something special and now they get to have it all at an affordable price.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: jrdd 14 August, 2017, 07:33:20 PM
It'd be nice if we got at least two.  You could (I think) do Eurocrash and Downlode Tales in one volumed (something around 210 pages), but it you could fit maybe 25 carerfully-selected episodes in ahead of Eurocrash in the first volume, and then run Downlode tales and another 20 in after that.  That'd give a nice flavour of one-offs and continuity events.   That's probably the best you could do: there's just too much of it, something like 160 individual stories, a lot of them one-episodes, but plenty of them longer, and more still key elements in definite arcs.  Of course the recent Meg floppies might hint at the easy availability of everything running from Downlode Tales to the War of the Moses.

Anyone have an overall page count in their head/spreadsheet/headsheet?

Hmm... the perfect excuse to post an updated version of my SinDex list!

As for the Ultimate Collection, really pleased to see this happening and to hear the Dredd Mega Collection was so successful.  Dante's a must-buy for me, and Red Seas would've been too.  Tempted to wait and see what they do with SinDex - I already have the pick'n'mix paperbacks from years ago, however if they did a complete run of the 'Moses Wars / Alternative Dimensions' arc that might be tempting - it reads so much better in one go compared to the rather sporadic run it had in the prog.

: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 14 August, 2017, 07:59:47 PM
I'm a bit full of flu, but I think this is what we know for sure so far:

11 - Strontium Dog: The Kreeler Conspiracy: Issue 4
52 - Bad Company, Vol 1: Issue 33
53 - Bad Company, Vol 2: Issue 50
Alan Moore Future Shocks: Issue ??
All-Star Future Shocks: Issue ??
Ampney Crucis Investigates: Issue 65
Ballad of Halo Jones: Issue 2
Caballistics: Issue ??
Caballistics + Absalom: Issue ??
Durham Red (Abnett): Issue ??
Hewlingan's Haircut/Sooner or Later: Issue ??
Nemesis the Warlock, Vol 1: Issue 5
Nikolai Dante, Vol 1: Issue 8
Nikolai Dante, Vol 2: Issue 12
Nikolai Dante, Vol 3: Issue 19
Nikolai Dante, Vol 4: Issue 35
Nikolai Dante, Vol 5: Issue 53
Nikolai Dante, Vol 6: Issue 62
Nikolai Dante, Vol 7: Issue 69
Nikolai Dante, Vol 8: Issue 74
Nikolai Dante, Vol 9: Issue 77
Shakara: The Avenger: Issue 3
Sláine, The Horned God: Issue 1
Skizz/DR & Quinch: Issue ??
Stickleback: Issue 46

I wonder whether the two Future Shocks volumes will clone the existing Rebellion ones.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: TordelBack 14 August, 2017, 08:33:08 PM
Hmm... the perfect excuse to post an updated version of my SinDex list!

Aaaand now this is Downloded, the city that never met a nerdsheet it didn't like.

Great stuff, but caramba senor!, over 400 episodes, nearly 2200 pages: that's moving into Cerebus territory. Soooo many puns....

: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 14 August, 2017, 09:05:42 PM
In the context of the partwork, that's, what, nine or ten books to cover the entire lot? (Which suggests it's not going to happen.)
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: sheridan 14 August, 2017, 09:11:46 PM
I'm not keen on a collection of Shakara.
My brain cannot process that sentence.

Heh. I thought I'd get a response like that.

The art and creature designs are great. I just never got much from the stories, (or general lack thereof)  although that improved later.

I. E. Lots of Aliens gang up on one. He kills them all and shouts his name a lot.
Repeat

It's strange as I generally like most stuff others like and dislike, and I don't hate Shakara, to be fair. I just didn't find much there story-wise.

To be fair, maybe a volume might change that perception.

That's a fair appraisal based on the first book - it's pretty much the first couple of Nemesis stories remixed for a whole volume.

Mysterious alien in funky spaceship crops up, causes mayhem, says one word and then fucks off again...

Thankfully it did develop beyond that in the remaining books.

Shame sales of the first hardback didn't justify doing the rest at that size.

I thought Shakara was okay, but really couldn't understand all the people saying it was like Nemesis for a new generation - as has been mentioned, it's like one early episode of Nemesis with less dialogue and stretched out over many more episodes.  Thankfully the creators involved have done much more engaging work since.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Colin YNWA 14 August, 2017, 09:13:10 PM
Hmm... the perfect excuse to post an updated version of my SinDex list!

Aaaand now this is Downloded, the city that never met a nerdsheet it didn't like.

Great stuff, but caramba senor!, over 400 episodes, nearly 2200 pages: that's moving into Cerebus territory. Soooo many puns....

Wow I've never seen that before - that's a thing of wonder.

While its impressive its not quite Cerebus territory ... yet... 2200 pages is about 110 Cerebus issues, over a third and over half of the stuff I love (really love)
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: TordelBack 14 August, 2017, 09:18:41 PM
Getting there though - Cerebus is 6000 pages, including the Reads bits and caption/quote pages- as Colin says,  over 1/3 of the way there - for  a gag strip based on Pulp Fiction, it's doing a decent impression of a gag strip based on Conan.  Go Dan, go!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: jannerboyuk 15 August, 2017, 10:59:05 AM
woot subscribed! :) ummed and ahed but in the end free gifts got me  :D
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 15 August, 2017, 11:32:17 AM
Getting some more hard numbers on the classics from FB:
10 Strontium Dog (though it's also been broken into 7 & 3 so likely 7 Alpha plus Durham Red and maybe Feral etc?)
4 ABC Warriors plus 2 Volgon War
5 Rogue Trooper
4 Nemesis

Just need to ask about Slaine now!
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: JaHawkDroid 15 August, 2017, 12:04:48 PM
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: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: abelardsnazz 15 August, 2017, 12:30:51 PM
Reckoning with the help of Barney, Nemesis' total page count, including in-continuity stories like Comic Rock and Torquemada the God, adds up to just over 700. The whole thing should fit nicely into 4 volumes then, possibly adding the Diceman stories (1 Nemesis, 1 Torque).

Haven't tried scrambling my brain with what Alpha, Rogue or ABC will feature, any thoughts?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: JamesC 15 August, 2017, 12:38:45 PM
That sounds like a lot of Rogue Trooper.
Are we assuming this includes Rogue universe stuff like Mercy Heights, Ten Seconders etc?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: sheridan 15 August, 2017, 12:49:22 PM
Getting there though - Cerebus is 6000 pages, including the Reads bits and caption/quote pages- as Colin says,  over 1/3 of the way there - for  a gag strip based on Pulp Fiction, it's doing a decent impression of a gag strip based on Conan.  Go Dan, go!


Hmm, does that mean we're coming up to the nervous breakdown / schizophrenic episode / haemorrhaging readership era?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 15 August, 2017, 01:04:24 PM
That sounds like a lot of Rogue Trooper.
Are we assuming this includes Rogue universe stuff like Mercy Heights, Ten Seconders etc?
You'd need seven or eight books to collect just the four phone book Rebellion volumes, so this is cherry picking. Here's hoping it'll include War Machine, Cinnebar, and synopses.

EDIT: Actual counts of in-print RTverse are:

Tales of Nu-Earth: 1488
War Machine: 96
86ers: 144
Jaegir: 130

Even the Tales… stuff is six books of content, if everything's reprinted.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: karlos 15 August, 2017, 02:43:43 PM
Hi all

Quick question: do you think Zenith may make an appearance in the collection?  I'm guessing no, but wanted a more considered opinion from more enlightened folk, before I go ahead and order the recent Titan books.

Many thanks to you all for posting what's coming up in the collection, by the way.  The collection sounds an absolute must (here's to a remastered stand alone volume of ABC Warriors: The Black Hole!)

You've all helped this lapsed Toothy fan to make his mind up about getting back on the ol' 2000ad wagon!

Cheers!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: robert_ellis 15 August, 2017, 02:50:22 PM
He's not on the spine so I'm guessing there's no Lloigor in the first 80 volumes. I'd imagine Zenith would be the first thing in a series extension. So pick up the 4 amazing hardcovers now (and slipcase!) or wait nearly 4 years.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 15 August, 2017, 03:03:57 PM
Yeah, it's hard to know for sure, but you imagine he'd have been on the spine if he were included in the initial run.

And more confirmations from Facebook: Luke Kirby and Leviathan are NOT in the collection. (My LK hardback is safe!) Also: when someone asked about three specific characters, Flesh was omitted from the response, so make of that what you will.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: matty_ae 15 August, 2017, 04:44:48 PM
Zenith is 480 pages long, so ripe for 2 x Hachette books.
I agree for a second phase its pretty much a dead cert.
Spreading it across two books also makes good on the promise never to reprint all four phases again 'in this format'.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: JamesC 15 August, 2017, 04:51:46 PM
That sounds like a lot of Rogue Trooper.
Are we assuming this includes Rogue universe stuff like Mercy Heights, Ten Seconders etc?
You'd need seven or eight books to collect just the four phone book Rebellion volumes, so this is cherry picking. Here's hoping it'll include War Machine, Cinnebar, and synopses.

EDIT: Actual counts of in-print RTverse are:

Tales of Nu-Earth: 1488
War Machine: 96
86ers: 144
Jaegir: 130

Even the Tales… stuff is six books of content, if everything's reprinted.

Wow, I didn't realise there was so much Rogue!
I'd imagine there's going to be some modern stuff in there as they seem to be prioritising colour stuff.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 15 August, 2017, 05:04:29 PM
On Rogue, that's only the stuff Rebellion's so far printed in trade paperback form. There's a ton more in the convoluted mess Rogue Trooper became post-War Machine, too.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: EDazzling 15 August, 2017, 05:36:16 PM
Rogue Trooper up to the end of the Traitor General story is 3 ~220 page volumes, which gives you 2 volumes for stuff like Cinnabar, War Machine, Mercy Heights, Rennie, etc. That'd work for me. For the original run, not much after the traitor general is really vital, is it?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 15 August, 2017, 05:38:27 PM
I suspect it'd be pretty easy to take a knife to the early volumes, frankly. There's a lot of filler. And, yeah, after the Traitor General arc, it all goes pear-shaped anyway. Bar some of Rennie's flashbacks, all I've given a monkey's about are War Machine, the IDW Rogue, and some of the spin-offs (notably, Jaegir).
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: abelardsnazz 15 August, 2017, 05:48:38 PM
Despite some great Steve Dillon art, The Hit was a muddle story-wise. Hopefully we'll see a showcase of the best stories.

10 volumes of Strontium Dog? Will that cover most of it?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: karlos 15 August, 2017, 06:02:09 PM
Thanks a million to all those who kindly responded.   :)

Will pick up the Titan Zeniths.

And then the Hatchette reprints. 

Obviously.   :)
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Neil C 16 August, 2017, 09:23:30 AM
Just confirmed on Facebook - 13 volumes of Slaine
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 16 August, 2017, 09:25:29 AM
Just confirmed on Facebook - 13 volumes of Slaine
Tharg didn't think it too many!
(sorry!)
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: TordelBack 16 August, 2017, 09:33:05 AM
Just confirmed on Facebook - 13 volumes of Slaine

At 1/5th of the whole collection that seems a bit crazy, when ALL of Slaine is collected in 17(?) volumes, and very nicely too. Allowing for the longer page count of the Hachettes, that has to be pretty much everything up to and including Brutannia. I know Slaine is a big deal for wider awareness of 2000AD, but highlights (and there are many) would have struck me as a better approach.

It certainly decides me firmly against a sub.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Dark Jimbo 16 August, 2017, 09:41:14 AM
Just confirmed on Facebook - 13 volumes of Slaine
Tharg didn't think it too many!

 :lol: How indulgent are those 9 Dante volumes looking now...?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Davgardo 16 August, 2017, 10:21:48 AM
Just confirmed on Facebook - 13 volumes of Slaine

Good Grud! I'd much rather have a couple of volumes of stuff like Leviathan and Red Seas than those murky Steve Tappin and Nick Percival Slaine stories.
This has just confirmed my decision to cherry pick rather than subscribing.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: James Stacey 16 August, 2017, 10:26:54 AM
13 volumes of Slaine certainly has me questioning a sub. A couple of books of solid gold, a couple more good ones, but 13? Thats got to be at least 6 books of Clint Langleys talking heads
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: TordelBack 16 August, 2017, 10:31:57 AM
13 volumes of Slaine certainly has me questioning a sub. A couple of books of solid gold, a couple more good ones, but 13? Thats got to be at least 6 books of Clint Langleys talking heads

I'd say 3 at most. The 5 Langley collections are only about 100 pages each. And most are surprisingly good too.

EDIT: I was forgetting Lord of Misrule (60 pages)
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 16 August, 2017, 10:48:55 AM
So:

CONFIRMED

ABC Warriors: 6
Ampney Crucis: 1
Bad Company: 2
Caballistics: 2
Future Shocks: 2
Halo Jones: 1
Hewligan's Haircut/Sooner or Later: 1
Judge Dredd: 3
Nemesis: 4
Nikolai Dante: 9
Rogue Trooper: 5
Shakara: 2
Sláine: 13
Skizz/DR & Quinch: 1

=

GUESSWORK

Ace Trucking: 2
Kingdom: 3
Robo-Hunter: 2
Invasion/Savage: 4
Sinister Dexter: 4
Stickleback: 1
Strontium Dog (inc. Durham Red)?: 11
Zombo: 1


EDIT: Above now edited after subsequent posts in this thread.

That's 80. Although that doesn't take into account that we know there will be some Dredd/Anderson content in there. So presumably you can knock back some of those by a book or so.

And, yeah, 13 books of Sláine is a little surprising, given how variable the quality was during that point. (I can't imagine the collection would have lost anything by jumping from Horned God to the Langley stuff, BUT then I imagine Sláine fans might argue the same regarding Nikolai Dante. That said, if all of Sláine is being collected, you'd hope Strontium Dog gets the same treatment, since that one is comparatively remarkably consistent across the run.)
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 16 August, 2017, 10:53:40 AM
13 Sláine books:

Warrior's Dawn / 200
Time Killer / 176
The King / 256
Horned God / 208
Demon Killer / 160
Lord of Misrule + Treasures of Britain / ~ 256
Grail War / 192
Lord of the Beasts / 256
Book of Invasions 1 + 2 / ~ 230
Book of Invasions 3 + The Wanderer / ~ 250
Book of Scars / 192
Brutania 1 + 2 / ~ 240
Brutania 3 + 4 / ~ 200

Time Killer and Demon Killer may need some padding, or pages to move from, respectively, The King and the Lord of Misrule/Treasures of Britain book.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 16 August, 2017, 11:00:14 AM
Playing around with Soulver again, Strontium Dog fits into 11 books if Durham Red isn't in the mix. The Agency Files account for just over 7 big books (1776 pages, on the basis of the original Rebellion trades) and the newer stuff comes in at 836 – just over three books. So muck about with page counts and you're sorted. (You'd only have to move Top Dog to deal with that.)

On that basis, it looks like the collection will be:

All of (or very nearly all of) Strontium Dog, the complete Nikolai Dante, every last drop of Sláine, and probably all of Nemesis – as far as the major non-Dredd characters go. (Thought: was Top Dog in the JD Mega Collection? If so, it wouldn't be included in this one. I don't recall it being in there though.)
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: moly 16 August, 2017, 11:14:17 AM
 :lol: :lolIf this is successful forget a bigger bookcase think I'll need to bulk an extension to the house
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Steve Green 16 August, 2017, 11:20:25 AM
I thought it was 7 Johnny Alpha strontium dog books + 3 other which I guess could be 1 Abnett Durham Red, possibly the Ennis/Hogan Strontium Dogs, maybe Middenface standalones?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: TordelBack 16 August, 2017, 11:38:54 AM
13 Sláine books:

Warrior's Dawn / 200
Time Killer / 176
The King / 256
Horned God / 208
Demon Killer / 160
Lord of Misrule + Treasures of Britain / ~ 256
Grail War / 192
Lord of the Beasts / 256
Book of Invasions 1 + 2 / ~ 230
Book of Invasions 3 + The Wanderer / ~ 250
Book of Scars / 192
Brutania 1 + 2 / ~ 240
Brutania 3 + 4 / ~ 200

Time Killer and Demon Killer may need some padding, or pages to move from, respectively, The King and the Lord of Misrule/Treasures of Britain book.

Hmmm, the actual strip material in Book of Scars is only 45 pages,  Carnivale and strip in the Wanderer collection weighs in at 48+96  and the 5 Books of Invasion come in at about 250 including Clint's extra pages in the collections.  So plenty of slack there. Perhaps the Lost Years tales and the Annual stories (currently in Lord of the Beasts collection) could be spread out to pad out (or dilute) other slimmer volumes. Or even some Tales of Telguuth!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 16 August, 2017, 11:42:45 AM
Hmmm, the actual strip material in Book of Scars is only 45 pages
Really? How the hell did the trade get so chunky, then? (I don't own that one myself.)

But, yeah, plenty of slack – or room in the collection for planned Sláine in the Prog over the coming years. (I notice the Marvel extension's been doing much the same – running reprint a while after standalone trades have hit the shelves, which happens pretty rapidly after the floppies are done. No reason why 2000 AD couldn't do the same if this series does well.)
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 16 August, 2017, 11:56:11 AM
Although that doesn't take into account that we know there will be some Dredd/Anderson content in there. So
Facebook confirmed three Dredd books, again nothing already in the Mega Collection. So likely some kind of Origin book covering Prog 2 through to Robot wars, then Dark Justice, possibly including the Percival sequel. And maybe Every Empire Falls since it has a 'Death Of Dredd'.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: TordelBack 16 August, 2017, 11:58:12 AM
Hmmm, the actual strip material in Book of Scars is only 45 pages
Really? How the hell did the trade get so chunky, then? (I don't own that one myself.)

Creators' picks of classic covers, lots of text: 30th anniversary stuff. It's a nice looking book, but it's the only one I don't own either!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: abelardsnazz 16 August, 2017, 12:33:08 PM
(Thought: was Top Dog in the JD Mega Collection? If so, it wouldn't be included in this one. I don't recall it being in there though.)

Top Dog is in the Judgement Day volume, so presumably it won't be included here following the announcement no Dredd stuff will be duplicated.

Although that doesn't take into account that we know there will be some Dredd/Anderson content in there. So
Facebook confirmed three Dredd books, again nothing already in the Mega Collection. So likely some kind of Origin book covering Prog 2 through to Robot wars, then Dark Justice, possibly including the Percival sequel. And maybe Every Empire Falls since it has a 'Death Of Dredd'.

I wondered whether Dark Justice might now appear in the MC extension for continuity with the rest of the Death stories. More recent Anderson has also been confirmed for the MC extension. Would the right balance of Dredd stories for this collection be ones where you don't need to know loads of backstory but there are enough references to pique your interest?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: BPP 16 August, 2017, 12:35:15 PM
If the phonebooks are replaced completely for Ace and SD then its a fine time to pass them on to others. Likewise Dante.

13 Slaine is way way too much. And I like Slaine.

Have we any indication what size the statues re yet? 1/6 1/8 1/12 ?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: TordelBack 16 August, 2017, 12:36:20 PM
I wondered whether Dark Justice might now appear in the MC extension for continuity with the rest of the Death stories.

Also consider its relevance to the PJ Maybe and Day of Chaos volumes. 
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 16 August, 2017, 01:39:54 PM
Top Dog is in the Judgement Day volume, so presumably it won't be included here following the announcement no Dredd stuff will be duplicated.
Ah, yes. It's been a while since I read that volume, and it probably zoomed by me. So that's 30-odd pages gone.

Would the right balance of Dredd stories for this collection be ones where you don't need to know loads of backstory but there are enough references to pique your interest?
That would seem sensible. In fact, something along the lines of the Mad City volume would work very nicely in the 2000 AD collection. A flavour of Dredd, but not mired in continuity. Possibly also some classic series that won't have got an airing – Graveyard Shift, perhaps?

If the phonebooks are replaced completely for Ace and SD then its a fine time to pass them on to others. Likewise Dante.
I can't imagine Ace Trucking will be – you'd need, what, four books? I can't imagine there being four books of that series in this collection – at least in the initial run.

13 Slaine is way way too much. And I like Slaine.
It's again got me wavering, and I like most of Sláine too. But then I've bought most of this stuff already. Moreover, this collection isn't really aimed at me anyway – it's aimed at the people I now see on Facebook who've not read this stuff in years, but who are genuinely thrilled about the prospect of getting these volumes for a tenner a pop. (That said: 90 quid for a full, hardback run of Nikolai Dante? No brainer.)

Have we any indication what size the statues re yet? 1/6 1/8 1/12 ?
I've no idea about scale, but the response on Facebook was that they are approximately 14cm high. (As for the books, they are 360 x 220mm.)

Oh, and one other response that I'm sure will make people happy. We already knew Nikolai Dante would be released in chronological order, and so someone asked about other continuity-heavy series. The reply:

They will be released in reading order but not consecutively as other titles will be released in between.
That's really good. Lessons being learned from the Dredd run, and ongoing improvement of the customer experience. Great to see.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: TordelBack 16 August, 2017, 02:08:43 PM
Yep, that's a key thing to remember: we might be disappointed because we have a lot of this stuff several times over, but all that means is that we're not the target market. I might not fancy the complete Slaine (again) in hardback for £130, but for someone who has only read some of it, it could be a hell of a deal.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 16 August, 2017, 02:23:22 PM
Exactly. A typical 200–250-page hardback is going to set you back, what, 20–25 quid? Given the page count, these books are a bargain. 130 quid for the complete Sláine? 90 quid for Nikolai Dante? 100-odd quid for Strontium Dog? Barg.

That said, I really wish there was something on the spines this time round, to list the series. (Stickers time?)
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: matty_ae 16 August, 2017, 04:54:14 PM

That said, I really wish there was something on the spines this time round, to list the series. (Stickers time?)

Seconded. I'd love a nice set of Dust Jackets just reprinting the existing front and back with a spine to match. But I think the whole unlabelled spine is at the heart of Hachette's mantra.

And that's unfortunately why the books aren't equal in value to their retail equivalent.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: JamesC 16 August, 2017, 05:02:41 PM
They have numbers on the side. Surely you just need a numbered list on the shelf with the books?
I'm sure some friendly person could design a lovely version to put on the wall if need be.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Steve Green 16 August, 2017, 05:13:04 PM
If the phonebooks are replaced completely for Ace and SD then its a fine time to pass them on to others. Likewise Dante.

13 Slaine is way way too much. And I like Slaine.

Have we any indication what size the statues re yet? 1/6 1/8 1/12 ?

About 14cm I think
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 16 August, 2017, 05:13:20 PM
They have numbers on the side. Surely you just need a numbered list on the shelf with the books?
I'm sure some friendly person could design a lovely version to put on the wall if need be.

I just wish there was something. The Marvel books had portraits of the key characters, for example. No reason the 2000 AD books couldn't have done the same. (Wouldn't have worked for Dredd, obv.)
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Southstreeter 16 August, 2017, 05:28:08 PM
This discussion has made me realise just how much classic stuff I already own. I'm not so much of a completist to double dip, so I think it'll just be pick and mix for me, and filling in the gaps. Looking forward to:
Durham Red, as The Empty Suns has been unavailable since forever
Complete Caballistics - it's always annoyed me that the final two series weren't collected
I probably have enough Slaine (apart from the 90s stuff) and all of Nemesis (Book 1 at least three times) plus all of classic Stront. The only annoying thing for me is Dante - I'm just missing one volume (TS vol 1) and would prefer to plug that gap with the original volume (which will never appear now) rather than a hardback that probably contains a chunk of TS vol 2.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 16 August, 2017, 07:35:41 PM
Ah, bollocks to it.

Thank you for subscribing to 2000 AD: The Ultimate Collection.

I can always change my mind…
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: TordelBack 16 August, 2017, 07:43:35 PM
Ah, bollocks to it.

Thank you for subscribing to 2000 AD: The Ultimate Collection.

I can always change my mind…

 :lol:
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: JaHawkDroid 16 August, 2017, 08:21:16 PM
13 books of Slaine sounds like a lot, though I suppose it will cover most, if not all of Slaine!

That said, considering the Mega Collection is what got me into 2000AD, and my only external purchases since have been the Prog and the Script Book, plus Agency Files 1, this collection is perfect for me. Complete Dante, Slaine, Nemesis, Stronts... That's a sell right away, even forgetting the ancillary volumes.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: judgerufian 16 August, 2017, 11:58:48 PM
Just confirmed on Facebook - 13 volumes of Slaine

Yep this decides for me too, way too much slaine to part with such a big wad of cash. Sorry Tharg, i will be cherry picking the collection and wish it the best a luck
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 17 August, 2017, 10:36:23 AM
Sorry if I missed this somewhere obvious but - when is the first batch officially being released/sent out?
: Re: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: JaHawkDroid 17 August, 2017, 11:05:14 AM
First issue is out August 23rd, so we will probably receive the first parcel approximately first week of September


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: Tomwe 17 August, 2017, 12:13:42 PM
First issue is out August 23rd, so we will probably receive the first parcel approximately first week of September

I asked on FB about fulfilment of subscriptions and just got this reply:

Those who subscribed when the collection first launched, along with test subscribers, are first in line to receive your subscription issues. We will begin sending these out next week, and issue 1 goes on sale on Wednesday. Whilst we cannot guarantee that you will definitely receive your delivery before issue 1 appears on shelves, your delivery will contain both issue 1 and issue 2 along with your free mug, so you’ll still be ahead of the curve!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: JamesC 17 August, 2017, 01:02:13 PM
I'm getting more stoked for this collection the more I hear about it. I'm actually very happy with the Slaine announcement - I have very little Slaine in my collection and look forward to reading it again (I actually really liked the Langley stuff - I thought it really worked well for Slaine).
I guess it isn't chronologically collected like some of the other series though, seeing as Horned God one of the early volumes.

I'm hoping we may get a collection of Grey Area somewhere along the line. It's s strip I liked immediately and have grown fonder and fonder of it over time. A great way to represent current 2000AD in my opinion.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: moly 17 August, 2017, 01:48:55 PM
Got to agree with JamesC looking forays to upgrading my graphic novels to these hardbacks, no filler announced so hopefully this will be the ultimate collection, would be nice if the could include some early Harlem heroes, flesh etc
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: geronimo 17 August, 2017, 02:22:38 PM
Hi Folks, I am wondering if anyone else is in this position............
I subscribed to the test run and the 4 free GNs were sent to me.
Early this month I got an e-mail from Hachette telling me the series was being officially launched and I needn't subscribe but they would get in touch with me by e-mail to get my payment details.
I still haven't received that e-mail. Is anyone else waiting for that still?
Anyway, looking forward to getting some Thrill-power but am having sleepless nights over whether to go premium or not! who says life gets easier as you get older; decisions, decisions.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Bolt-01 17 August, 2017, 02:31:31 PM
Over on the '2000 AD & Beyond' Blog, Rich McAuliffe has pointed out This news from Hachette (https://2000adandbeyondsite.wordpress.com/2017/08/17/win-a-subscription-to-2000ad-the-ultimate-collection/) that might be of interest...

Of course, as a non-FB user I'm not in the running...
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Colin YNWA 17 August, 2017, 03:36:08 PM
Didn't realise Rich had gone solo. This is something to be checked out. Thanks for the heads up Bolt.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: walrus 17 August, 2017, 04:09:45 PM
Hi Folks, I am wondering if anyone else is in this position............
I subscribed to the test run and the 4 free GNs were sent to me.
Early this month I got an e-mail from Hachette telling me the series was being officially launched and I needn't subscribe but they would get in touch with me by e-mail to get my payment details.
I still haven't received that e-mail. Is anyone else waiting for that still?
Anyway, looking forward to getting some Thrill-power but am having sleepless nights over whether to go premium or not! who says life gets easier as you get older; decisions, decisions.

Hi Geronimo

I was in exactly the same position. I just contacted Hachette on the number included in the email which you have received, told them I had not received the subscriber number, they tracked me from my address and were able to set up the payment against it that way. Hopefully it will all be ok now. You can also contact them on Facebook which people on here often recommend but I am not on there.

Hopefully you will be able to sort it easily

 
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: James Stacey 17 August, 2017, 04:11:02 PM
Im in the same situation .. I tried mailing them but no dice.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: geronimo 17 August, 2017, 04:16:24 PM
Many thanks, Walrus.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: moly 18 August, 2017, 08:55:25 AM
Same situation I messaged them on Facebook and emailed them for a week and nothing have now had a reply by Facebook post saying they had upgraded my account and emailed me and yep no email still
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: abelardsnazz 18 August, 2017, 09:14:18 AM
Latest bit of information in answer to a question on Facebook: the first ABC Warriors volume is issue 13. Going to guess that this will be a smattering of the early stories plus The Black Hole.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: moldovangerbil 18 August, 2017, 09:28:02 AM
I find Hachette's customer services to be baffling and frustrating. 

I've phoned them and emailed them several times just to try and get them to update my address and yet they still seem to be unable to get it right.  From what I've seen, the facebook admin is a lot better at responding but I think they're still hamstrung by the incompetent staff who actually manage accounts in the background.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: JaHawkDroid 18 August, 2017, 09:34:28 AM
I find Hachette's customer services to be baffling and frustrating. 

I've phoned them and emailed them several times just to try and get them to update my address and yet they still seem to be unable to get it right.  From what I've seen, the facebook admin is a lot better at responding but I think they're still hamstrung by the incompetent staff who actually manage accounts in the background.

Hachette's Facebook service (on the Dredd/2000AD pages) is fantastic. I cannot fault it. Their service on the Marvel pages, and over the phone, is abysmal. It's nigh-on impossible to get anything sorted over the phone. Every time I ring I get hung up on mid-conversation, so I rely on Facebook now.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 18 August, 2017, 10:20:16 AM
Couple more nuggets from FB: Sinister Dexter will have but three volumes, and ABC Warriors book 1 is volume 23, placing that series directly after the four Nemesis volumes on your shelf.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: JaHawkDroid 18 August, 2017, 11:14:38 AM
Both Invasion and Savage will be collected in the series.

Dredd page has confirmed there will be 7 volumes of Strontium Dog as well as The Kreeler Conspiracy, Traitor to his Kind and The Life and Death of Johnny Alpha, equalling 10 total. So I think it could be the complete Stront?



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: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 18 August, 2017, 11:30:09 AM
Assuming Durham Red is being considered a distinct title, ten books should be enough to cover all of Strontium Dog to date, as far as I can tell. I wonder whether we'll get black and white or colour Starlord spreads this time?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Steve Green 18 August, 2017, 11:53:54 AM
Assuming Durham Red is being considered a distinct title, ten books should be enough to cover all of Strontium Dog to date, as far as I can tell. I wonder whether we'll get black and white or colour Starlord spreads this time?

No idea - they've already scanned some of the colour annual stories for FCBD issues etc.

If they do colour spreads for Stront, I'll buy them.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: abelardsnazz 18 August, 2017, 12:13:40 PM
It's also been announced that Dark Justice will appear here rather than in the MC. That's 66 pages so what else will feature? Other more recent stories or a Greg Staples themed volume?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 18 August, 2017, 01:19:58 PM
Perhaps the sequel, currently running in the Meg? I've no idea how many pages that gets the book to, though.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Dark Jimbo 18 August, 2017, 01:57:50 PM
I'd love Serial Serial, Ladykiller and other general DoC epilogues, rather than say, more Dark judges stuff.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: JaHawkDroid 18 August, 2017, 02:51:24 PM
I'd love Serial Serial, Ladykiller and other general DoC epilogues, rather than say, more Dark judges stuff.

I'm reasonably certain there'll be some post-DoC material in the Mega Collection extension
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 18 August, 2017, 03:51:05 PM
"Subscribe today!" suggests the email I just got, for the collection I already subscribed to the other day. Oh well, pretty pictures in my inbox beats yet another press release about something I couldn't give two hoots about.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: The Monarch 18 August, 2017, 05:57:12 PM
I guess sindex is easier to cherrypick but man i hope we get a proper eurocrash/downlode tales that rebellion denied us
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: aceface11 19 August, 2017, 12:03:50 PM
At the risk of being unpopular can I ask about:

Finn
Harlem Heroes

And how about a collected Vector 13 volume. No? :p

Matt
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: BPP 19 August, 2017, 12:28:46 PM
Harlem Heroes - yes
Finn - NO WAY.

My own love would be a Belardinelli issue of Blackhawk and his many Future Shocks.

2000ADs neglected genius. 

Lobster Random (and The Vort), The VCs and a John Smith edition would be ace too.

Probably unlikely the lot of it.

A £10 hardback of Brass Sun would be something I'd buy multiple copies of and gift to every young kid in the family / friends. Just a brilliant and rare all-ages effort from modern 2000AD
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: moly 19 August, 2017, 12:34:15 PM
Would love a hardback copy of meltdown man and there needs to be a Harry twenty not sure what could be included with it
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: davidbishop 19 August, 2017, 02:25:47 PM
Would love a hardback copy of meltdown man and there needs to be a Harry twenty not sure what could be included with it

There are two other prison-based 2000AD series but neither is hugely popular: Dead Men Walking & Stalag 666.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Steve Green 19 August, 2017, 04:54:22 PM
Would love a hardback copy of meltdown man and there needs to be a Harry twenty not sure what could be included with it

DR & Quinch seems like it would be a fairly slim volume - tonally nothing like it, but you have the Alan Davis connection.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Colin YNWA 19 August, 2017, 04:59:50 PM
I guess sindex is easier to cherrypick but man i hope we get a proper eurocrash/downlode tales that rebellion denied us

Trouble is both of these (Eurocrash and Downlode Tales) lose a LOT of impact without the establishing stories that makes their impact really important I'd say. Both are exceptional and do stand alone, but are served better in context.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: moly 19 August, 2017, 05:31:40 PM
Skizz is included with dr&quinch
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Steve Green 19 August, 2017, 05:54:06 PM
Ah OK.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: sintec 19 August, 2017, 05:54:51 PM
So:

CONFIRMED

ABC Warriors: 6
Ampney Crucis: 1
Bad Company: 2
Caballistics: 2
Future Shocks: 2
Halo Jones: 1
Hewligan's Haircut/Sooner or Later: 1
Judge Dredd: 3
Nemesis: 4
Nikolai Dante: 9
Rogue Trooper: 5
Shakara: 2
Sláine: 13
Skizz/DR & Quinch: 1

=

GUESSWORK

Ace Trucking: 2
Kingdom: 3
Robo-Hunter: 2
Invasion/Savage: 4
Sinister Dexter: 4
Stickleback: 1
Strontium Dog (inc. Durham Red)?: 11
Zombo: 1

Updating IndigoPrime's confirmed list with the additional info posted in thread since the original post:

CONFIRMED

ABC Warriors: 6
Ampney Crucis: 1
Bad Company: 2
Caballistics: 2
Future Shocks: 2
Halo Jones: 1
Hewligan's Haircut/Sooner or Later: 1
Judge Dredd: 3
Nemesis: 4
Nikolai Dante: 9
Rogue Trooper: 5
Shakara: 2
Sláine: 13
Skizz/DR & Quinch: 1
Invasion/Savage: 4
Sinister Dexter: 3
Strontium Dog (inc. Durham Red)?: 10

Leaving 11 unknowns?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: JaHawkDroid 19 August, 2017, 10:18:10 PM
This collection feels much better value than the Mega as a whole? This seems, for the most part, to be a genuine Greatest Hits, whereas the Mega seemed to have some... duds. For lack of a better word. Very excited to get this collection going.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 21 August, 2017, 06:36:42 PM
Payment for my first delivery is listed on the Hachette site for 18th August, sad to see like the Transformers collection there will not be individual listings for what is being posted.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: karlos 22 August, 2017, 02:44:44 PM
10 or 11 books left to speculate upon, then.

If Finn is out of the question, what other Mills are missing?

Other than that, I'd definitely love a Harry 20, for sure.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 22 August, 2017, 03:06:45 PM
From my ongoing Scrivener document of doom, it seems there are now about 70 confirmed books. (What was the actual number for Strontium Dog confirmed? 10 or 11?) As far as I can tell, there are also five confirmed series without numbers, which don't yet have a book number count: Ace Trucking, Kingdom, Robo-Hunter, Stickleback, and Zombo.

If Strontium Dog is 10, Durham Red is separate, and all of the above series have three books, bar Kingdom (3), that's your pre-extension 80.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 22 August, 2017, 04:07:34 PM
From my ongoing Scrivener document of doom, it seems there are now about 70 confirmed books. (What was the actual number for Strontium Dog confirmed? 10 or 11?) As far as I can tell, there are also five confirmed series without numbers, which don't yet have a book number count: Ace Trucking, Kingdom, Robo-Hunter, Stickleback, and Zombo.

If Strontium Dog is 10, Durham Red is separate, and all of the above series have three books, bar Kingdom (3), that's your pre-extension 80.
The SD quote is: "7 volumes of Strontium Dog as well as The Kreeler Conspiracy, Traitor to his Kind and The Life and Death of Johnny Alpha"
Stickleback was said to be issue 46.
Also 99% sure Meltdown was confirmed too but I can't find the link.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 22 August, 2017, 05:08:23 PM
Knock out Top Dog and classic Strontium Dog's page count fits almost exactly into seven volumes. The new stuff's over count by about 80 pages, and so something's getting cut (Blood Moon?) I suspect Durham Red is a separate volume, then, and not counted as Strontium Dog. As for Meltdown Man, that'd be a single book if it's in there. (It's not on the spine, if that makes any odds.)

So here's my current list:

CONFIRMED

ABC Warriors: 6
Ampney Crucis: 1
Bad Company: 2
Caballistics: 2
Durham Red: 1
Future Shocks: 2
Halo Jones: 1
Hewligan's Haircut/Sooner or Later: 1
Invasion/Savage: 3
Judge Dredd (including Dark Justice): 3
Nemesis: 4
Nikolai Dante: 9
Rogue Trooper: 5
Shakara: 2
Sinister Dexter: 3
Sláine: 13
Skizz/DR & Quinch: 1
Strontium Dog: 10

(69 books)

=

ON SPINE BUT NUMBERS NOT CONFIRMED (and there could be other series sneaking into the mix)

Ace Trucking: 2
Kingdom: 3
Robo-Hunter: 2
Stickleback: 2
Zombo: 2
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 22 August, 2017, 05:22:42 PM
The new stuff's over count by about 80 pages, and so something's getting cut (Blood Moon?)
Squint at this page and you can make out the content of the Kreeler volume, I'm pretty sure it doesn't match the one published by Rebellion.
http://www.2000adcollection.com/wp-content/themes/2000ad/im/collection-issue4-DPS1.jpg
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: JaHawkDroid 22 August, 2017, 05:45:22 PM
The new stuff's over count by about 80 pages, and so something's getting cut (Blood Moon?)
Squint at this page and you can make out the content of the Kreeler volume, I'm pretty sure it doesn't match the one published by Rebellion.
http://www.2000adcollection.com/wp-content/themes/2000ad/im/collection-issue4-DPS1.jpg

As best I can tell, here are the 2 volumes' contents.

Ultimate Collection: Progs 2000, 1174-1180, 1195-1199, 1400-1403, 2009 & 1617-1628
Rebellion Edition: 2000, 1174–1180, 1195–1199, 2001,1300–1308, 1350–1358, 1400–1403
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 22 August, 2017, 05:46:01 PM
Indeed. The original is Kreeler/Roadhouse/Tax Dodge (196pp). This appears to be Kreeler/Heady Foot/Blood Moon (which extends the page count into the mid-220s). Which suggests everything through Life & Death will be in there, albeit not in the order originally published in 2000 AD.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 22 August, 2017, 05:50:20 PM
Don't think I've seen Black Sun confirmed or rumoured... but there's one on the spine art!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: karlos 22 August, 2017, 06:04:39 PM
Apologies if this is a daft question: when people say The Life and Death of Johnny Alpha, are we talking the first story only or is the follow-up, The Dogs of War, included as well?

Also, I'm sure I'm not the only one who's noticed on the Ult. Collection site it mentions Grant Morrison as one of the creators - but if we're not getting Zenith, what else did he do of any real length for 2000ad?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Mattofthespurs 22 August, 2017, 06:19:31 PM
Just got back from holiday to find my sub has been cancelled despite me updating my details like they asked.
Not a good start.
At this point, suffering with a chest infection, they can go fu*k themselves.
Pissed off.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 22 August, 2017, 06:19:52 PM
Also, I'm sure I'm not the only one who's noticed on the Ult. Collection site it mentions Grant Morrison as one of the creators - but if we're not getting Zenith, what else did he do of any real length for 2000ad?
I'm guessing this is Tharg's Future Shock territory, as we wont be getting Really & Truely anytime soon.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: robert_ellis 22 August, 2017, 07:26:55 PM
A Grant Morrison strip you say? More than a one off? With stellar art?
It's BIG DAVE. I'll have a little word with Boo Cook tomorrow at Forbidden Planet. Let's have him tripping over Tyranny Rex's tail and punching Junker.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 22 August, 2017, 08:28:20 PM
A Grant Morrison strip you say? More than a one off? With stellar art?
It's BIG DAVE. I'll have a little word with Boo Cook tomorrow at Forbidden Planet. Let's have him tripping over Tyranny Rex's tail and punching Junker.
You off to FP then Rob? Awesome.
I was an avid reader during the Summer Offensive and enjoyed all the strips, including Big Dave.
Armoured Gideon would be a Guilty Pleasure request for me.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 22 August, 2017, 08:34:01 PM
For what it's worth, here's the Advert with the confirmation of Meltdown Man:
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1853190668342590&id=1822323628095961
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 22 August, 2017, 08:56:58 PM
Apologies if this is a daft question: when people say The Life and Death of Johnny Alpha, are we talking the first story only or is the follow-up, The Dogs of War, included as well?
The page count would suggest everything that's currently been collected, which includes Dogs of War. (Thought: how the hell will they deal with Savage?)

Also, I'm sure I'm not the only one who's noticed on the Ult. Collection site it mentions Grant Morrison as one of the creators - but if we're not getting Zenith, what else did he do of any real length for 2000ad?
Two Future Shocks collections have been confirmed, which suggests the Alan Moore one and 'The best of Tharg's Future Shocks' might be transplanted across more or less as-is. The latter has some Morrison stuff (along with Gaiman and Milligan). Outside of that and stuff already confirmed for the JDMC, Morrison scripted Big Dave, Really & Truly, the odd bit of Tharg, and Zenith. I imagine the last of those would be ripe material for a 2KUC extension.

And if Meltdown Man is confirmed, that’s 70 books pretty much certain, and ten left for Ace Trucking, Kingdom, Robo-Hunter, Stickleback, Zombo, and whatever else is going to be in there.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 23 August, 2017, 10:10:20 AM
competitions currently live on FB page

https://www.facebook.com/2000ADCollection/videos/1855864291408561/
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: karlos 23 August, 2017, 10:22:36 AM
Thanks all for answering my questions!

(I'd forgotten Big Dave ever existed!  Will be interesting to see that getting the hc treatment!)
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Timothy 23 August, 2017, 11:31:18 AM
I've just picked up my bargain copy of The Horned God, and can confirm that it is a v handsome volume.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: karlos 23 August, 2017, 11:47:28 AM
In total agreement, Sir - it's gorgeous.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: matty_ae 23 August, 2017, 12:00:37 PM
What's the fold-out poster?
In the trial it was this one
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Timothy 23 August, 2017, 12:02:31 PM
It's that one.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Mattofthespurs 23 August, 2017, 03:14:21 PM
Just got back from holiday to find my sub has been cancelled despite me updating my details like they asked.
Not a good start.
At this point, suffering with a chest infection, they can go fu*k themselves.
Pissed off.

Ok, got some antibiotics and have confirmed that they cancelled my original sub because I asked them to upgrade to a premium sub. When they do that they cancel your original number and replace the 1 on the end with a 2 instead apparently.
Would have been nice if they had told me that first.
Doesn't help that I have not had a welcome letter yet either.
Still, sorted now.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: jabish 23 August, 2017, 03:15:36 PM
Just picked up the Horned God. Beautiful. I'm thinking about buying 4 more and passing them out to friends. Unbelievable at 2 quid. I'll be dipping but this and the mega collection are really great value for money. Tenner for a hardback of brilliant comics? Lucky us. Of course with 2000ad you could just keep going. I hope it extends and we get some great John Smith work.

What a start though.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: moldovangerbil 23 August, 2017, 03:33:04 PM
Does anyone have any idea when the first subscription copies will be sent out?  My account shows they took a payment of £0 on the 18th August but it doesn't have any books registered against it.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 23 August, 2017, 04:00:33 PM
Does anyone have any idea when the first subscription copies will be sent out?  My account shows they took a payment of £0 on the 18th August but it doesn't have any books registered against it.

This is what they had to say on the matter when asked last week:
Those who subscribed when the collection first launched, along with test subscribers, are first in line to receive your subscription issues. We will begin sending these out next week, and issue 1 goes on sale on Wednesday. Whilst we cannot guarantee that you will definitely receive your delivery before issue 1 appears on shelves, your delivery will contain both issue 1 and issue 2 along with your free mug, so you’ll still be ahead of the curve!

I too had an entry on 18th, though mine was an actual amount. I have a feeling we won't be seeing any books listed on that subscriber page as this is how it's working over on Transformers as well. Shame as the JDMC one still lists the books and that seems to make more sense.
Were you a test subscriber? Nothing in the post today I'm sorry to say.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Lobo Baggins 23 August, 2017, 04:18:55 PM
I've just won a premium subscription to the Ultimate Collection on Facebook!

Holy Grud, there's tonnes of it!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 23 August, 2017, 04:26:55 PM
<gritted teeth>Congratulations, Mr Sharp</gritted teeth>

:D
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Mattofthespurs 23 August, 2017, 04:46:14 PM
I've just won a premium subscription to the Ultimate Collection on Facebook!

Holy Grud, there's tonnes of it!

Congrats Lobo, well done!

I was told, when I phoned earlier, that I should be receiving my first two issues from tomorrow onwards and if I had not received them by next Friday I should call back.

I also have bought a couple of extra issue ones to distribute to the local schools near me. They seemed to appreciate the JDMC issues I donated so at this price it would be silly not to put a few in school libraries.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Colin YNWA 23 August, 2017, 05:18:00 PM
I've just won a premium subscription to the Ultimate Collection on Facebook!

Holy Grud, there's tonnes of it!

Wow we'll done that's quite a prize!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: karlos 23 August, 2017, 05:46:59 PM
Congrats, good sir!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: JamesC 23 August, 2017, 07:21:25 PM
Ooh - I just saw the TV ad! Should get a few lapsed Squaxx on board. Lots of Stront and Slaine art in the spotlight.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: JaHawkDroid 23 August, 2017, 07:22:40 PM
Those posters at the London signing are rather lush. If anyone gets a spare, hit me up  :lol:
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Taryn Tailz 23 August, 2017, 07:55:55 PM
Just saw the TV advert for the first time too. :)

Like many people, I'll probably dip in and out of this range, with the prospect of a complete run of Nikolai Dante in hardback being almost too good to be true.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: JLC 23 August, 2017, 08:32:10 PM
Picked up the first one. I'll pick up some of these. The quality is good.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: The Mind of Wolfie Smith 23 August, 2017, 08:34:34 PM
got the £1.99 starter. it's a handsome prospect alright. but peeved that it didn't wait until after the jd collection, so will have to cherry-pick (i.e. nikolai dante), as i'm somewhat reluctantly going to carry on with the eaglemoss star trek collection (which is a really nice and unusual selection). too many hardback comics at once!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: The Legendary Shark 23 August, 2017, 09:12:57 PM
Congrats, Lobo - by the time I got there the comp was closed, dagnabbit!

: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: robert_ellis 23 August, 2017, 10:10:39 PM
The printing on the Horned God looks great - the colours zing. The Slaine article in the back is cool. My only criticism is that everyone's feet are going to be severely cut off on the spine judging by how low Skizz is framed. Do others agree? The Boo Cook print from Forbidden Planet is cool. It was s but odd him signing Biz's books but don't blame him!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Mardroid 23 August, 2017, 10:25:34 PM
I checked my local W H Smiths (Dartford) to see if the first issue was there. It wasn't. I'm not really surprised, but I thought it might be since they had a couple of the Transformers ones not so long ago.

Anyhow, if there's any available at the 2000 AD desk at LSCC I might get one then. Otherwise it's the order route! I was kinda disappointed not to see it though. They would like order it in on a subscription basis but I don't want to be tied into a subscription just yet. If I did that, I'd got he Hachette Partworks route and get the other goodies too!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: DrRocka 23 August, 2017, 10:34:54 PM
Picked one up from WH Smith's in Preston. As expected, it looks GORGEOUS & I'll pick up a couple more to give to friends tomorrow. Still umming and aahing over whether I'm gonna get any others in the series though - I've got everything in back progs, a lot of it many times.

D'you know what puts me off, though? What really TINY detail gets right under my OCD? There's no title on the spines! How the hell am I to know which volume's which on my bookshelves? That actually is a deal breaker for me over whether to dip in now and again and get more. I know, it's some kind of autism or something, I guess.

Can't knock this for two quid though, can you?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 23 August, 2017, 10:59:01 PM
The spines thing is annoying. With the Marvel run, you at least got character heads on the spines to be able to rapidly locate series. But the 2000 AD spine decided to go against basic usability. A pity.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: karlos 23 August, 2017, 11:40:53 PM
The main Smiths in Hull had approx. 10 copies in stock today.  If they're going to put more out then cool, but it that's the full stock then that is shockingly low.

Especially when I bought 7!

Two quick questions:

Are we getting all of Bad Company, and are we getting a stand alone ABC Warriors; The Black Hole, or will it essentially be a repackage of Mek Files vol. 1, with the first few stories?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: abelardsnazz 24 August, 2017, 07:25:48 AM
WH Smiths in Sheffield centre hadn't put them out yesterday morning, but when I asked they had a boxful with maybe 10 or 15 in.

According to Barney, total page count of Bad Company including First Casualties is just over 400 which indicates we'll get the whole lot over 2 volumes.

Also from Barney, total ABC page count is around 1200 which will fill 6 volumes, so I think the first will be the early stories and The Black Hole.

So by my reckoning, the collection will include complete Bad Co, ABC, Nemesis, Strontium Dog, Slaine, DR & Quinch, Halo Jones and Nikolai Dante, with selected Dredd, Rogue, Invasion/Savage (or all of it?), Skizz and Sinister Dexter, along with a few others.

Can't wait, bring it on.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Mattofthespurs 24 August, 2017, 07:47:58 AM

D'you know what puts me off, though? What really TINY detail gets right under my OCD? There's no title on the spines! How the hell am I to know which volume's which on my bookshelves? That actually is a deal breaker for me over whether to dip in now and again and get more. I know, it's some kind of autism or something, I guess.

Can't knock this for two quid though, can you?
With these types of partworks where the titles are not on the spine I type up my own list in the same dimensions of the book and keep it in front of the first volume. Once the run is completed I get it laminated and then I have a handy guide to what's where.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Mattofthespurs 24 August, 2017, 07:50:24 AM
as i'm somewhat reluctantly going to carry on with the eaglemoss star trek collection (which is a really nice and unusual selection).

I'm getting the Star Trek one too. Not subbing though, just getting them saved at my Newsie. Also ordering the specials from the website. The specials are rather lovely too with nice dust jackets.
It's a good collection, released in order, and with the titles on the spines too!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: karlos 24 August, 2017, 08:10:40 AM
Thanks for the answers, chaps.

The only nitpick I have with otherwise glorious Slaine book is, the Bisley prog covers are not included.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 24 August, 2017, 09:15:08 AM
Are we getting all of Bad Company, and are we getting a stand alone ABC Warriors; The Black Hole, or will it essentially be a repackage of Mek Files vol. 1, with the first few stories?
Also from Barney, total ABC page count is around 1200 which will fill 6 volumes, so I think the first will be the early stories and The Black Hole.
MEK Files Vol 1 is listed on Amazon as 304pgs so I suspect some early strips will have to be shunted into vol 2 (which lists as 208), or be lost all together. Gonna do some people's heads in I'm sure.
That series is some of the only 2000 AD reprints I've invested in since returning to the prog in 2015 (they're beautiful and hefty) so I could skip those issues of the collection. Yeah right. #doubledip
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: marko10174 24 August, 2017, 09:27:26 AM

 If Nikolai Dante volume 4 (which I'm assuming will cover the tsar wars) is issue 35, doe that mean we'll be waiting about two years for that issue to come out?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 24 August, 2017, 09:34:04 AM

 If Nikolai Dante volume 4 (which I'm assuming will cover the tsar wars) is issue 35, doe that mean we'll be waiting about two years for that issue to come out?
Issue 35 out 12/12/2018 by my calculations.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Anthony Garnon 24 August, 2017, 11:48:48 AM
Hey, for anybody who couldn't make Boo's signing last night, Forbidden Planet London have a very small number of issue 1 signed on their shelves (no more than a dozen) and have copies of the big launch poster - it's 60cm by 40cm - available to anybody who wants one. They're not taking anymore orders on the signed copy online, mind.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 24 August, 2017, 11:56:45 AM
Did someone say that the releases for particular characters would be chronological? If so, does that imply that we won't get any early Slaine, or are they just leading off with a Big Hitter as an exception?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Swerty 24 August, 2017, 12:12:11 PM
as i'm somewhat reluctantly going to carry on with the eaglemoss star trek collection (which is a really nice and unusual selection).

I'm getting the Star Trek one too. Not subbing though, just getting them saved at my Newsie. Also ordering the specials from the website. The specials are rather lovely too with nice dust jackets.
It's a good collection, released in order, and with the titles on the spines too!

I'd rather have the titles on the spine as well.I know it's too late now.I know part of the appeal is not knowing whats coming next but they could add the title of the book on at the time of publication.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: abelardsnazz 24 August, 2017, 12:37:16 PM
Did someone say that the releases for particular characters would be chronological? If so, does that imply that we won't get any early Slaine, or are they just leading off with a Big Hitter as an exception?

I suspect the latter, as I have estimated on the back of a stamp that all of Slaine, including the extra game pages from Tomb of Terror and the Diceman games, will easily fit into 13 volumes - perhaps Bisley's covers will be included to fill up space in another book?

As an aside, the latest Thrill-cast is well worth a listen, Mills and Bisley both talking at length about the creative process that went into the Horned God and its legacy. Recommended.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Magnetica 24 August, 2017, 12:39:04 PM
.. I could skip those issues of the collection. Yeah right. #doubledip

Before I joined the forum I hadn't bought any collections of stuff I already had in Prog or Meg format. Then I started buying some as they are easier to re-read for example it is easier than tracking down the Progs given my hap hazard filling system and way easier to bring on the Tube etc. But I'm not at the point where I will double dip stuff I already have the collection of, unless it adds significant extra value e.g. restoring the "banned" Cursed Earth episodes or colour centre spreads.

Not sure I understand the need for multiple copies. A spine art picture just isn't enough for me to justify 800 quid or the space. So just out of interest, what motivates others to double / multiple dip?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: karlos 24 August, 2017, 01:09:38 PM
Magnetica - for me, it's the lure of the hardback, and the nice, new, shiny paper.

With the awesome added bonus of getting rid of the originals that are, frankly, starting to smell!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 24 August, 2017, 01:42:54 PM
Hardbacks and sell the originals is my plan. As for release order, Sláine appears to be an exception.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 24 August, 2017, 02:27:41 PM
Judging by the pictures I've seen, the top and bottom of the spine art has been trimmed drastically. The bottom of Stickleback's face is likely going to be missing, as are the heads of many of the 'background' characters. Seems like a big mistake to me.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 24 August, 2017, 05:07:55 PM
Judging by the pictures I've seen, the top and bottom of the spine art has been trimmed drastically. The bottom of Stickleback's face is likely going to be missing, as are the heads of many of the 'background' characters. Seems like a big mistake to me.

I think you're right. See comparison image here. Though Skizz is possibly repositioned so there may have been some jiggling to retain details. Can't even see Tharg's ear he was so concerned about either if this is right though

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIAcV_eXcAAUCTM.jpg)

EDIT: that might just be the angle of the book's image I took from Twitter

EDIT2: Actually, it's made explicit here isn't it. And that matches the art on the books spine. Shame.
(http://www.2000adcollection.com/wp-content/themes/2000ad/im/collection-spine-artwork.jpg)
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Max Headroom 24 August, 2017, 05:14:48 PM
Does a complete ABC Warriors in this new format mean no more Mek Files? I really quite liked those Mek Files editions...
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 24 August, 2017, 05:19:26 PM
Last one on this. And such a shame when he PLANNED for those numbers too:

(https://2000ad.com/assets/pimg/00/1d/95.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIAfKzdW0AE7u_z.jpg)

EDIT: New theory: The art was intended for a 60 volume collection.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: matty_ae 24 August, 2017, 05:37:09 PM
I was at Forbidden Planet and Boo was on good form and kindly acknowledged the only things by in the book he had done was the spine. He had noticed the feet would all be cropped.

There are some interesting differences between the promo foldout poster and the final one.
- the final one is only 2/3 the size of the promo
- SinDex are added to the roster of featured characters
- Belt buckle, hip flask and blitz spear parking signed all swapped out
- 'Retrospective articles' now feature in Bonus section (Stephen Jewell essay in this one)
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: moly 24 August, 2017, 06:51:34 PM
Magnetica for me it won't be double dipping as I will pass all the old paperback copies to my niece and for ten quid for a hardback book it's a no brainer while I have a bit of disposable cash although it does mean I won't be getting any of the new released stuff like lawless which hopefully will be on the extended collection
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: EDazzling 24 August, 2017, 07:07:23 PM
Magnetica for me it won't be double dipping as I will pass all the old paperback copies to my niece and for ten quid for a hardback book it's a no brainer while I have a bit of disposable cash although it does mean I won't be getting any of the new released stuff like lawless which hopefully will be on the extended collection

Lawless has been announced for the Judge Dredd Mega Collection's extension
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: moly 24 August, 2017, 07:23:29 PM
Great news on lawless
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 24 August, 2017, 08:16:45 PM
Does a complete ABC Warriors in this new format mean no more Mek Files?
The Mek Files series to date has been republishing the classic run of ABC Warriors in hardback, and with the third one, everything is covered, bar content issued in The Solo Missions. If the Mek Files were to continue, it'd presumably bundle Volgan War into chunky editions (so 1/2, 3/4, Return to Earth/Mars, Return to Ro-Busters/whatever comes next).

Given that the Ultimate Collection and graphic novel line are distinct, and the outlets aren't the same, I imagine all that will determined more Mek Files is whether Rebellion wants to continue the line and use some book slots for reissuing material that's already been released in hardback anyway.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: sheridan 24 August, 2017, 10:12:31 PM
- Belt buckle, hip flask and blitz spear parking signed all swapped out

Hip Flask? ;)
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 25 August, 2017, 09:28:31 AM
Last one on this. And such a shame when he PLANNED for those numbers too:

(https://2000ad.com/assets/pimg/00/1d/95.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIAfKzdW0AE7u_z.jpg)

EDIT: New theory: The art was intended for a 60 volume collection.

What a shame.

It would surely have been better to have extended the artwork, as appears to be the case with the Mega Collection.

Moans aside, thanks for the hero who tipped us off about signed copies and prints still being available at Forbidden Planet - I acquired both on my way home last night. It will be nice to have the signed copy in the collection, and I'll donate my subscriber copy in the hope of seeding another collection! It really is a lovely product. And for £2!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Mattofthespurs 25 August, 2017, 10:27:21 AM
Moans aside, thanks for the hero who tipped us off about signed copies and prints still being available at Forbidden Planet - I acquired both on my way home last night. It will be nice to have the signed copy in the collection, and I'll donate my subscriber copy in the hope of seeding another collection! It really is a lovely product. And for £2!

I bought a signed one online with a promise of the poster too.
Did you get a poster when you bought from FP?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 25 August, 2017, 10:57:38 AM
Moans aside, thanks for the hero who tipped us off about signed copies and prints still being available at Forbidden Planet - I acquired both on my way home last night. It will be nice to have the signed copy in the collection, and I'll donate my subscriber copy in the hope of seeding another collection! It really is a lovely product. And for £2!

I bought a signed one online with a promise of the poster too.
Did you get a poster when you bought from FP?

Yep, they had a pile of them on the sales counter. It consists of the left-hand 40% or so of the spine art, but uncropped top and bottom.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Anthony Garnon 25 August, 2017, 12:34:24 PM
Moans aside, thanks for the hero who tipped us off about signed copies and prints still being available at Forbidden Planet - I acquired both on my way home last night. It will be nice to have the signed copy in the collection, and I'll donate my subscriber copy in the hope of seeding another collection! It really is a lovely product. And for £2!

I bought a signed one online with a promise of the poster too.
Did you get a poster when you bought from FP?

Hey, I ran the signing from FP's end and asked that the London store keep the leftover (unsigned) posters by the tills. I was there last night, and they still have a fair few. If it looks like they are out at the tills just ask a member of staff if there are any left in the office. If there are, they'll whip more out. They are extremely popular mind - so apologies in advance if you ask and they're all gone!

And although the posters weren't promised with mail order purchases I did send 10 signed copies to the MO team. If you ordered the signed book online, might be worth asking the MO guys if they have any left. Not a guarentee you'll get one of course (I believe some have already been requested)!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 25 August, 2017, 12:38:28 PM
" the feet may be cut off to fit the book size but the image will be fully visible! Hope this helps :)"

Er.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Mattofthespurs 25 August, 2017, 03:09:39 PM
And although the posters weren't promised with mail order purchases I did send 10 signed copies to the MO team. If you ordered the signed book online, might be worth asking the MO guys if they have any left. Not a guarentee you'll get one of course (I believe some have already been requested)!

Thanks for that. When I ordered online it did state that every purchase would receive the poster. Mine was sent by FP today. If the poster comes with it then bonus but if not I'm not overly bothered. The signed book for £2.99 inc postage is well worth it on it's own.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 25 August, 2017, 03:20:43 PM
YAY!
Mr Postman finally turned up today with my sub box - issues 1&2, poster packaged with 1, and mug. Brilliant!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Fungus 25 August, 2017, 04:40:37 PM
FWIW that first issue was a joy. Haven't read The Horned God since prog publication, and am sure the collected format, on better paper, helped my enjoyment too.

The cherry-picking has begun! I'm looking at you, Dante, Nemesis and Shakara...
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Mattofthespurs 25 August, 2017, 04:58:07 PM
YAY!
Mr Postman finally turned up today with my sub box - issues 1&2, poster packaged with 1, and mug. Brilliant!

That poster is well smaller than the one that went out with the trial sets.
Still a delight though.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Jim_Campbell 25 August, 2017, 05:08:58 PM
First two volumes arrived today. They're nice books. Well-presented, good, sturdy hardcovers, nice paper. Only had time for a flick through, but I'm quietly impressed.

Although I now realise I need a new book case.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: JamesC 25 August, 2017, 05:14:39 PM
Mine also arrived today. Very nice - not sure what to do with the trial versions now.
The Chris Weston mug is also very spiffy.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: jannerboyuk 25 August, 2017, 05:31:25 PM
The inevitable posties 'you were out' card! Doh, have to wait to Tuesday for the goodness now :(
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: robert_ellis 25 August, 2017, 08:01:58 PM
I popped in to London Super Comic Con after work for an hour. The 2000ad/hachette stand had the Nemesis figurine on display. The bad news is it looks great, is surprisingly weighty & very detailed & well painted. Damn I'll have to sign up. They were also selling a wide horizontal poster of the entire Boo Cook spine for £35.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: JaHawkDroid 25 August, 2017, 08:04:56 PM
£35?! Crikey...
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 25 August, 2017, 09:12:44 PM
I popped in to London Super Comic Con after work for an hour. The 2000ad/hachette stand had the Nemesis figurine on display. The bad news is it looks great, is surprisingly weighty & very detailed & well painted. Damn I'll have to sign up. They were also selling a wide horizontal poster of the entire Boo Cook spine for £35.
Saw that on FB, £35 is good for the size of that thing. Shame it isn't widely available.
Still can't go for the figurines, tho they do look sweet.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Dandontdare 25 August, 2017, 10:13:05 PM
I never got the 2nd e-mail about unsubscribing, but figured if they don't have my payment details I needn't worry.

When I came home to find the first parcel (2 books, poster & arsom mug) I thought they'd cocked up. However the invoice was for £0.00 and when I reread the first e-mail, apparently test subscribers get the first three free anyway!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: abelardsnazz 26 August, 2017, 12:11:50 AM
Seen a short version of the TV ad about three times on Vintage tonight. Mrs Snazz said "well that should fill some gaps in your collection" Shelf space finding project in progress.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Mattofthespurs 26 August, 2017, 07:50:33 AM
I never got the 2nd e-mail about unsubscribing, but figured if they don't have my payment details I needn't worry.

When I came home to find the first parcel (2 books, poster & arsom mug) I thought they'd cocked up. However the invoice was for £0.00 and when I reread the first e-mail, apparently test subscribers get the first three free anyway!

They have cocked up on mine.
I was in the trial bit too and had a promise of the first 4 (?) volumes for free. The I upgraded to premium and I have been charged the full whack.
Another, painful, call to South Africa awaits me in my future.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: robert_ellis 26 August, 2017, 09:46:53 AM
I'd stick to messenger for communication. I never had confidence in the phone calls.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: BPP 26 August, 2017, 02:08:18 PM
Comedy warning

Changed the recipient name for the 2000AD test but kept the account / payment details and delivery address the same.. now its impossible for Hachette / myself to access my details for the 2000AD collection. The account name is in the same email address but changing the recipient name apparently generates a new account that nobody can access.

Cue S.Africa saying they didn't have a clue what to do.

These landing at the same time as the Dredd Collection really brings home that running both at the same time for a year is a bit of a dumb idea. I probably would have gone for the Dredd extension but no way now. Cherry picking time for Dredd after #80


: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: moly 26 August, 2017, 02:38:35 PM
Does seem a bit mad in the next 10 months between judge dredd and the 2000ad collection will receive 40 plus books
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: The Legendary Shark 26 August, 2017, 02:53:04 PM
I certainly can't afford to get both, so I'll continue with the JDMC and forget the Twoothy one. Hmmph.

: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: JaHawkDroid 26 August, 2017, 07:18:41 PM
Made the journey to LSCC today and, well, the print of the spine art was irresistible. What a gorgeous piece of artwork Boo has produced. Cue operation: get this signed by all my favourite 2000AD creators.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 26 August, 2017, 10:18:24 PM
I don't know if anyone has commented on this already, but the design of the covers are at least a step towards easier browsing of the collection. If we can't get spine titles, at least you only need pull it an inch or so to see what's in it.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: The Legendary Shark 26 August, 2017, 10:36:42 PM
... you only need pull it an inch or so to see what's in it.

Must... resist... Carry On... upbringing...

: Re: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: glassstanley 27 August, 2017, 11:41:41 AM
I struck me yesterday that the only reason I'm not going to subscribe to this is that I don't have anywhere to put it! Which means that I'm also going to run out of space for future GNs. Time to start a shelf cull!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Woolly 27 August, 2017, 09:25:18 PM
Picked up issue one today - overall i much prefer the look of the repro on this when compared to the washed out looking Hamlyn hardback. Have subscribed on the back of this!

Also, on the penultimate page, some of the panels look repainted to me. Again, in comparison to the Hamlyn edition, but doesnt look like a brightness/contrast job...
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Woolly 28 August, 2017, 08:55:09 AM
Also, on the penultimate page, some of the panels look repainted to me. Again, in comparison to the Hamlyn edition, but doesnt look like a brightness/contrast job...

Hamlyn edition:
(http://i.imgur.com/aCq9mpx.jpg)

Hachette edition:
(http://i.imgur.com/N9TL1Sw.jpg)

Apologies for the crappy photography.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Mattofthespurs 28 August, 2017, 10:20:49 AM
I prefer the latter artwork of the two.
Looks crisper and more detailed.
Without seeing the original it's impossible to know if it's been re-coloured or touched up though.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Dark Jimbo 28 August, 2017, 11:00:24 AM
I prefer the latter artwork of the two.
Looks crisper and more detailed.
Without seeing the original it's impossible to know if it's been re-coloured or touched up though.

Purely much, much better repro.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Woolly 28 August, 2017, 12:10:32 PM
I prefer the latter artwork of the two.
Looks crisper and more detailed.
Without seeing the original it's impossible to know if it's been re-coloured or touched up though.

Purely much, much better repro.

I dunno, there are brush strokes, highlights and shading just not present in the original print.
The brush work and colour on Ukko's hat, the scratches of fur on his shoulder, the shading around his eye... definitely looks like more work has gone on to me.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: karlos 28 August, 2017, 04:33:53 PM
Blimey, the difference is staggering!

Anyone got access to the original prog to see what it looked in there?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Mute77 28 August, 2017, 05:55:07 PM
The 2011 rebellion harback edition looks the same as the hachette edition. Ill try and dig out the original prog later..
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Magnetica 28 August, 2017, 07:51:59 PM
I prefer the latter artwork of the two.
Looks crisper and more detailed.
Without seeing the original it's impossible to know if it's been re-coloured or touched up though.

Purely much, much better repro.

I dunno, there are brush strokes, highlights and shading just not present in the original print.
The brush work and colour on Ukko's hat, the scratches of fur on his shoulder, the shading around his eye... definitely looks like more work has gone on to me.

All of those are present in the 1991 Fleetway edition apart from the light bit above Ukko's head. But that might just be how the photo was taken - Woolly can you confirm?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Woolly 28 August, 2017, 07:55:06 PM
I prefer the latter artwork of the two.
Looks crisper and more detailed.
Without seeing the original it's impossible to know if it's been re-coloured or touched up though.

Purely much, much better repro.

I dunno, there are brush strokes, highlights and shading just not present in the original print.
The brush work and colour on Ukko's hat, the scratches of fur on his shoulder, the shading around his eye... definitely looks like more work has gone on to me.

All of those are present in the 1991 Fleetway edition apart from the light bit above Ukko's head. But that might just be how the photo was taken - Woolly can you confirm?

Yes, that light bit is down to my crappy photo.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Pete Wells 28 August, 2017, 08:07:13 PM
The first two are in, I'm looking forward to watching these shelves fill up! I think I might have one of my Mongrols protecting the ABC Warriors section of the collection 😊

(https://s2.postimg.org/tjsauc0cp/IMG_1849.jpg)
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Davgardo 29 August, 2017, 12:10:03 PM
Lovely looking thing and it's great re-reading The Horned God again after all these years - just as good as i remembered.
My only gripe is in the text piece where he seems to have forgotten about Time Killer and attributes the Slaine the King artwork to Fabry and Pugh. Only a very minor thing obv but it irritates me when basic errors make it through like that.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: jannerboyuk 29 August, 2017, 12:23:55 PM
Got mine now :)
Fussy but the artwork on the mug is different to the ads.
Looking at my rebellion horned god, the hachette is a cm smaller, noticable immediately i thought.
The overall quality is great, and for me this an alternative to collecting the progs or graphic novels, so good value overall.
I think i'll review after the free gifts are exhausted but right now i'm in for the 80
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Colin YNWA 29 August, 2017, 04:45:18 PM
What the chuff are we talking about the comics about here when we have shelvery like that.

Those Sir Wells are a thing of almost infinite beauty. Is there anymore you could whip out for us all to oggle at?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Dandontdare 29 August, 2017, 06:11:53 PM
Now that's a dangerous invitation  :o
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Pete Wells 29 August, 2017, 06:47:44 PM
What the chuff are we talking about the comics about here when we have shelvery like that.

Those Sir Wells are a thing of almost infinite beauty. Is there anymore you could whip out for us all to oggle at?

Just for you Colin, my Child Cave!

(https://s26.postimg.org/4n3xnpdrt/IMG_2156.jpg)

(https://s26.postimg.org/9zss1u1o9/IMG_2157.jpg)

(https://s26.postimg.org/aqli7m41l/IMG_2158.jpg)

Mrs Pete hates this room  :D
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: bernardsfingers 29 August, 2017, 06:47:52 PM
I've just registered on here after subscribing to the Ultimate Collection. Having received the first package I'm happy with the quality of the books, although I'm not the biggest fan of The Horned God as it kinda reminds me of the period when I feel out of love with 2000ad having read it since around prog 400. Wasn't really fussed with the move to colour as the printing never seemed good enough to stop everything looking like a splodgey brown mess & think I preferred the B&W stuff printed on cheap paper. As it became more expensive & they started expanding into other magazines like Crisis & the Dredd Megazine I think I  got fed up & stopped buying it. Anyway it would have been good to have got the Judge Dredd collection but I completely missed it. I found someone selling bundles of 10 issues of the Mega Collection for £25 so bought a couple of those & might pick up more issues when I work out what's in which issue. The 2000ad collection seems more appealing as the scope of it is vast & it's going to cover a lot of stuff I missed & collect lots of stuff I've not read for a good while.
Got mine now :)
Fussy but the artwork on the mug is different to the ads.
Looking at my rebellion horned god, the hachette is a cm smaller, noticable immediately i thought.
The overall quality is great, and for me this an alternative to collecting the progs or graphic novels, so good value overall.
I think i'll review after the free gifts are exhausted but right now i'm in for the 80
I thought the mug was pretty poorly printed, half of Dredd's badge was missing & there were other bits of the image missing - not sure if they're all like that or it was just mine. At least it was a half decent size!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Paul Moore 29 August, 2017, 07:24:24 PM
Forbidden Planet in Glasgow sells the Hatchette Dredd mega collection (along with the marvel stuff too) as single collections, it might be worth checking your local comic shops, if you missed them
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Dark Jimbo 29 August, 2017, 07:57:03 PM
...Just go on the Hachette website, all the back issues are available there.

As for content, Wikipedia has it covered.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: The Monarch 29 August, 2017, 08:21:55 PM
where can i get shelving like that?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Colin YNWA 29 August, 2017, 08:36:23 PM

Just for you Colin, my Child Cave!


Nice one Pete as wonderful as its owner. Stunning stuff!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: bernardsfingers 29 August, 2017, 10:13:53 PM
Forbidden Planet in Glasgow sells the Hatchette Dredd mega collection (along with the marvel stuff too) as single collections, it might be worth checking your local comic shops, if you missed them
I think I'm going to try & add to the Judge Dredd collection on the cheap rather than buying them at full price.

For anyone interested, the JDMC bundles I bought were from eBay (example here: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/322586278155) & seem pretty cheap (although listing says minor cover damage, which doesn't really bother me).

I see someone is selling JDMC issues 1-41 on Gumtree for £100 which seems like a bargain for someone, although it's no good for me as I'm nowhere near the seller.

I'll look in the local FP for particular issues later on when I've worked out what ones I actually want so cheers for the recommendation.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Swerty 29 August, 2017, 10:21:41 PM
What the chuff are we talking about the comics about here when we have shelvery like that.

Those Sir Wells are a thing of almost infinite beauty. Is there anymore you could whip out for us all to oggle at?

Just for you Colin, my Child Cave!

(https://s26.postimg.org/4n3xnpdrt/IMG_2156.jpg)

(https://s26.postimg.org/9zss1u1o9/IMG_2157.jpg)

(https://s26.postimg.org/aqli7m41l/IMG_2158.jpg)

Mrs Pete hates this room  :D

You are a fan aren't you.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Pete Wells 30 August, 2017, 07:58:56 AM
where can i get shelving like that?

The shelf is from IKEA and is called KALLAX (which sound like the baddie from a future shock!) Someone on the Facebook Dredd Mega Collection recommended them as they fit the whole spine image rather nicely!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 30 August, 2017, 10:16:33 AM
I see someone is selling JDMC issues 1-41 on Gumtree for £100 which seems like a bargain for someone, although it's no good for me as I'm nowhere near the seller.
I'm baffled by people who require local pick-up. Almost everyone lives near a DPD drop-off. A courier takes five minutes to sort. Add another tenner for the hassle of dropping the box off, and you have the chance to sell to the entire UK, rather than the people who can be bothered to drive to your house (which, frankly, I'm not keen on people doing anyway when I sell stuff).

The shelf is from IKEA and is called KALLAX (which sound like the baddie from a future shock!) Someone on the Facebook Dredd Mega Collection recommended them as they fit the whole spine image rather nicely!
Kallax is good, reasonably modular, and comes in various sizes. If you're near an Ikea, also take a look at the Billy line. Assuming the default shelving height is the same on the new line, it's almost an exact fit for the partwork books in the four central shelves. The top and bottom ones are larger, so you can use them for other stuff (outsized books, hiding kittens, etc.)

As for the new collection, I'm mildly annoyed that the first delivery inevitably got me a damaged book, and Hachette online merrily stated they protect books with plastic wrap. Because plastic wrap is known to protect books in transit! I'm not sure I can be arsed to send it back though, since the damage is minor compared to the state some of my Dredd books have shown up in. Other than that, they look good. The mug is a bit rubbish though. (As noted, the print is terrible, and you'd think they'd at least have whacked a logo on there. Not so much no expense spared as no expense.)
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Magnetica 30 August, 2017, 12:58:41 PM
So having said I wasn't going to buy the first issue as I already have the original Fleetway editions of The Horned God ( as well as the Progs), I then listened to the Thrillcast with Pat and Simon Bisley. One of them said the reproduction in the Hachette book was the best ever. And given it was only two quid, I bought it, from Forbidden Planet in Shaftesbury Av. In doing so I also got the print of (the left hand side) of the spine art.

So is the Hachette reproduction better than the Fleetway one? Hmmm....yes and no. The colours are slightly richer to me eye. But only slightly. The line work looks the same. But the Fleetway editions are bigger. The first one is matte the others gloss - I never understood why there was a difference.

So at two quid you can't go wrong and now I can feel the pull of issue 2, given it is Halo Jones. So I guess selling the first couple cheap as a lead in works...
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Something Fishy 30 August, 2017, 01:02:20 PM
This looks good.  are there any major chains or stores stocking these?  My local newsagent still holds the prog and meg but doesn't have this.  I'd rather pick and choose than sub ideally.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: matty_ae 30 August, 2017, 01:18:26 PM
WH Smiths
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Something Fishy 30 August, 2017, 01:27:42 PM
oh they are?  excellent thanks.   I will take a look when next in town.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Magnetica 30 August, 2017, 01:40:04 PM
You can order individual issues directly from Hachette or Forbidden Planet.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Bolt-01 30 August, 2017, 02:22:47 PM
Fishy- I got mine from ASDA. I don't think they'll be carrying it for long, but it might be good for a while...
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Something Fishy 30 August, 2017, 02:27:00 PM
Oh cool thank you.   I should be passing one of those this week.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Dash Decent 30 August, 2017, 03:04:41 PM
(https://s26.postimg.org/9zss1u1o9/IMG_2157.jpg)

I don't want to alarm you Pete, but I think Judge Dredd is hiding behind your table.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Pete Wells 30 August, 2017, 05:19:49 PM
I think I felt his daystick brushing past my leg. I hope it was his day stick...  :o
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Steve Green 30 August, 2017, 05:21:57 PM
I think I felt his daystick brushing past my leg. I hope it was his day stick...  :o

These ninja judges hiding in the walls are *really* getting out of hand
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 31 August, 2017, 01:46:44 PM
I ordered on 21 August, still no delivery. Anyone ordered after me and received theirs?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: JaHawkDroid 31 August, 2017, 05:20:13 PM
I ordered on 21 August, still no delivery. Anyone ordered after me and received theirs?

You'll probably get your first issues in early September, 3&4 October, 5&6 November, etc, etc. That's what happened to me with my Marvel subscription; I'm always a month behind
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: marko10174 31 August, 2017, 06:31:19 PM

 If you're direct debit when do they actually take the money out of your account each month?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Something Fishy 31 August, 2017, 10:37:03 PM
My wife found this at Asda for me (thanks for the tip).

It's a nice reproduction.  I think the only negative is the reduced size. I'd have no hope of reading it without my specs (I can just about manage the prog still with enough light).

Not sure if I will sub or just get it when I see it if it's a must have issue.

great to see it though and I hope it brings in some new fans.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: moly 01 September, 2017, 06:44:08 AM
Marion when you get a delivery it includes an invoice which confirms when the payment will be collected
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 01 September, 2017, 07:56:41 PM
Found this page earlier, so books 6 & 7 confirmed. Also lists the content of the first Nemesis volume for those interested.

2000 AD GRAPHIC NOVEL COLLECTION VOLUME 6: KINGDOM HC

(W) Dan Abnett (A) Richard Elson

The sixth issue of the brand new 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection features Kingdom. This issue features the Kingdom stories "Kingdom" "The Promised Land" and "Call of the Wild".

 

2000 AD GRAPHIC NOVEL COLLECTION VOLUME 7: STRONTIUM DOG HC

(W) John Wagner (A) Carlos Ezquerra

The seventh issue of the brand new 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection features Strontium Dog. This issue features Strontium Dog stories "Galaxy Killers" "Journey into Hell" "Death's Head" "Schicklegruber Grab" "Mutie's Luck" and "The Doc Quince Case".


https://www.previewsworld.com/Article/198621-2000-AD-Graphic-Novel-Collection
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: oddballuk 01 September, 2017, 08:50:46 PM
2000 AD GRAPHIC NOVEL COLLECTION VOLUME 7: STRONTIUM DOG HC

(W) John Wagner (A) Carlos Ezquerra

The seventh issue of the brand new 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection features Strontium Dog. This issue features Strontium Dog stories "Galaxy Killers" "Journey into Hell" "Death's Head" "Schicklegruber Grab" "Mutie's Luck" and "The Doc Quince Case".


Hmm... this seems to suggest the pre-2000AD/Starlord stuff won't be collected.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Steve Green 01 September, 2017, 08:57:21 PM
Does it?

Kreeler conspiracy is released first, but the originals were published after this collection.

Looking at the TPB, the starlord stories are still a fair chunk and could be padded out with specials/annual stories.

The Collector, The Town that died of shame, The Complaint, The Beast of Milton Keynes for example...
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: oddballuk 01 September, 2017, 09:00:41 PM
Does it?

Kreeler conspiracy is released first, but the originals were published after this collection.

Looking at the TPB, the starlord stories are still a fair chunk and could be padded out with specials/annual stories.

The Collector, The Town that died of shame, The Complaint, The Beast of Milton Keynes for example...

I'm just assuming since Slaine: Horned God and Strontium Dog: Kreeler Conspiracy were offered up as early volumes but comments elsewhere suggested that series would otherwise be released chronologically.

I would be happy to be wrong and there be a volume of miscellanious material collecting the Starlord stories, annuals and specials like you've proposed.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Steve Green 01 September, 2017, 09:10:03 PM
I was thinking it was more along the lines of Dante not being released out of sequence.

Strontium Dog doesn't really matter so much other than for the event ones - like Portrait of a Mutant, Outlaw Ragnarok/Rage.

Plus you have all the untold stories published after Johnny and Wulf's deaths, some of which link together like the Traitor to his kind thread, or the Blood Moon/Mork Whisperer.

I'm really hoping we'll see some colour spreads, if there aren't there's no reason for me to double dip.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: oddballuk 01 September, 2017, 09:14:11 PM
Cool. I've dropped a question on the FB page anyway. 

Would hate it if any classic Strontium Dog stories were skipped.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Swerty 02 September, 2017, 01:48:54 AM
Seems a bit soon to be releasing another Strontium Dog,I think
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: abelardsnazz 02 September, 2017, 07:51:11 AM
Seems a bit soon to be releasing another Strontium Dog,I think

Agreed, I would have expected another Slaine first, as there needs to be one of those every six issues or so. The first Nikolai Dante is issue 8 so guess Slaine will be 9, possibly the early Belardinelli/McMahon stuff.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: JaHawkDroid 02 September, 2017, 09:06:04 AM
Wow, a second Stront book so soon after Kreeler. Interesting choice. I'd have expected an ABC warriors or something

Do the contents of Nemesis confirm we're getting the full saga?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: abelardsnazz 02 September, 2017, 09:57:00 AM

Do the contents of Nemesis confirm we're getting the full saga?

I think so, as the first volume is the Comic Rock stories, the first three books plus a couple of annual/special stories, and there's enough room in the remaining three volumes for the rest of it.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: sintec 02 September, 2017, 09:04:42 PM
Finally got my package (got delivered to my ex-neighbours initially as I moved house at just the wrong time).

Books are gorgeous.  Slaine is stunning (I haven't read any of these before so it was new to me) the art is truly jaw dropping.  Looking forwards to reading Halo next.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: maryanddavid 02 September, 2017, 09:18:39 PM
Forgive the thickness, but what has the first volume got 32 on the spine?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Swerty 02 September, 2017, 10:33:55 PM
Forgive the thickness, but what has the first volume got 32 on the spine?

When you line up all up on your shelf it will be the 32nd volume of the 80.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: maryanddavid 03 September, 2017, 12:26:37 AM
I get that, but why not  number 1?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: matty_ae 03 September, 2017, 06:14:25 AM
It's a marketing ploy.
Unless you buy the whole set you end up with a shelf of non sequential numbers and slithers of the spine image with lots of gaps.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: marko10174 03 September, 2017, 07:35:09 AM
How long did everyone wait for there orders to arrive? I ordered mine on the 29th.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: JaHawkDroid 03 September, 2017, 11:10:53 AM
How long did everyone wait for there orders to arrive? I ordered mine on the 29th.

Delivery is within 28 days. I ordered on day subs opened, and received books on Weds 30th.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 03 September, 2017, 11:24:24 AM
The spine numbers thing is partly marketing for sure. But I also prefer to receive different stories each month rather than, say, six months of Slaine or four months of Nikolai Dante.

It's too early to say for sure, but it also looks like (other than the first month) they will be pairing an older classic story with a more recent one. Stront and Shakara, Nemesis and Kingdom, etc.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: marko10174 03 September, 2017, 01:15:32 PM
What was the date for the first sub date?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Dark Jimbo 03 September, 2017, 03:28:52 PM
Do the contents of Nemesis confirm we're getting the full saga?

We already know we're getting four volumes and it fits nicely within that - Vol.1 is books I-III plus assorted one-offs (the Kev O'Neill volume); vol.2 must be IV-VI (the Bryan Talbot volume), maybe with his Diceman issue as well? Say Torquemada the God and VII-IX in vol.3 (Hicklenton volume); and vol.4 a bit of a grab-bag of the rest - Bride of the Warlock, Shape of Things to Come, Hammer of Warlocks, Book X, Deadlock, etc  (Henry Flint volume). That's how I'd do it, anyway.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 03 September, 2017, 03:45:18 PM
As long as Bride is in the right place this time...
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Magnetica 03 September, 2017, 06:13:53 PM
As long as Bride is in the right place this time...

I agree.

I read the Rebellion Nemesis vols 2 and 3 on my recent holiday. I can't understand why they put that at the end. It meant when you were reading the stories from the Prog that events were referred to that you hadn't seen yet e.g. Sister Stern's death.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Dark Jimbo 03 September, 2017, 07:03:45 PM
...and vol.4 a bit of a grab-bag of the rest - Bride of the Warlock, Shape of Things to Come, Hammer of Warlocks, Book X, Deadlock, etc  (Henry Flint volume). That's how I'd do it, anyway.

By which, of course, I mean the solo series rather than when he meets Nemesis - maybe Warlocks and Wizards if there's room, but Enigmass Variations? Waste of good paper.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Max Headroom 03 September, 2017, 07:10:02 PM
I hope that 'The Tomb of Torquemada' from the Poster Prog makes it into the mix somewhere. Also wonder if the latest story - 'Tubular Hells' from prog 2000 - will feature to bring us completely up-to-date.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Dark Jimbo 03 September, 2017, 07:50:14 PM
Hmm... this seems to suggest the pre-2000AD/Starlord stuff won't be collected.

Optimist in me hopes the reason is to give them more timr to work on the colour repro for the Starlord strips...
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Michael Knight 03 September, 2017, 08:20:33 PM
Alright Folks? Anyone know if 'Brigand Doom' or 'Vector 13' will be in this collection? 
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Fungus 03 September, 2017, 08:42:37 PM
Alright Folks? Anyone know if 'Brigand Doom' or 'Vector 13' will be in this collection?

Tharg is concentrating on the bigger name strips, so unlikely.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 03 September, 2017, 09:14:12 PM

I agree.

I read the Rebellion Nemesis vols 2 and 3 on my recent holiday. I can't understand why they put that at the end.

Erroneously lumped in as an extra despite being directly in continuity (and important), like the Corey story in Anderson. I did outline this to the editor at the time, and have flagged it with Matt this time, and so here's hoping. 
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: The Monarch 03 September, 2017, 10:11:16 PM
shame theres no red seas maybe in the inevitable extension
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: marko10174 04 September, 2017, 12:33:38 AM

 I'd love to see a complete Finn, but I highly doubt it would ever happen.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Bolt-01 04 September, 2017, 01:29:48 PM
does anyone know if the 1st Shakara volume is a match for the Rebellion Trade?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Dark Jimbo 04 September, 2017, 01:36:10 PM
does anyone know if the 1st Shakara volume is a match for the Rebellion Trade?

Yep, same contents - Books I, II and III.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Bolt-01 04 September, 2017, 03:07:36 PM
awesome. That'll give me a mismatched pair of trades- but a complete story!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 04 September, 2017, 04:06:20 PM
Will the Kingdom book really just have the first three stories? If so do we expect it to be the only Kingdom volume? I was on hiatus when the strip started and missed everything before Aux Drift...
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Dark Jimbo 04 September, 2017, 04:08:25 PM
Will the Kingdom book really just have the first three stories?...

What do you mean by 'just'? That's a decent page count for a £10 book!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: A.Cow 04 September, 2017, 04:21:48 PM
I read the Rebellion Nemesis vols 2 and 3 on my recent holiday. I can't understand why they put that at the end. It meant when you were reading the stories from the Prog that events were referred to that you hadn't seen yet

That's Khaos for you.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 04 September, 2017, 04:34:25 PM
Will the Kingdom book really just have the first three stories?...

What do you mean by 'just'? That's a decent page count for a £10 book!

I'm sure you're right, I'm just wondering whether we should expect the 4th-6th/7th stories to be collected in a second volume.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: oddballuk 04 September, 2017, 04:49:05 PM
Reply on Facebook RE: Strontium Dog

There are no current plans for the Starlord-published Strontium Dog stories to be included.

Thanks for the interest!

Glad I haven't tried selling off my Search/Destroy Files yet.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Steve Green 04 September, 2017, 05:40:26 PM
That's a shame.

S/D seems to get short changed in the collected editions - limited stories in the Titans, B/W repro on colour stories of the TPBs.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 04 September, 2017, 06:05:26 PM
There are no current plans for the Starlord-published Strontium Dog stories to be included. Thanks for the interest!
That's a really sad, strange and disappointing decision. If we're getting every scrap of Sláine, it's a crying shame to omit one book of Strontium Dog, not least given that means you can't ‘replace’ your existing phonebooks with the hardbacks. Gah.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: I, Cosh 04 September, 2017, 06:07:05 PM
There are no current plans for the Starlord-published Strontium Dog stories to be included. Thanks for the interest!
That's a really sad, strange and disappointing decision. If we're getting every scrap of Sláine, it's a crying shame to omit one book of Strontium Dog, not least given that means you can't ‘replace’ your existing phonebooks with the hardbacks. Gah.
Not to mention glorious colour reprints of those Starlord spreads....
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Dark Jimbo 04 September, 2017, 06:13:10 PM
I honestly think it must be down to the work involved in doing all that colour repro - it wouldn't just be a case of basically just using the files for an existing trade. That said - boo! Was fully planning to replace my phonebooks.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Southstreeter 04 September, 2017, 06:21:10 PM
I already had The Horned God in a massive hardback, but for £2 I thought it worthwhile to check out the new edition. First thought - it's a bit small? Were the originals that size? The quality is much better than my old edition though, which possibly got resized the other way a bit too far. I suspect I'll be dipping in as required, as I'm pretty happy with my Rebellion TPBs.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Steve Green 04 September, 2017, 06:48:19 PM
Slightly smaller than the Rebellion hardback, and a lot smaller than the fleetway(?) softback.

I think there was a French edition original size (or close to)
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: The Monarch 04 September, 2017, 07:02:17 PM
sp i may get shit for saying this but it is the 2000ad ultimate collection maybe thats why the starlord stuffs being left out?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 04 September, 2017, 08:31:16 PM
I can't see anyone really making – or at least caring about – that distinction.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: JaHawkDroid 04 September, 2017, 08:58:20 PM
Sold my phonebook literally today, and then saw the confirmation that no pre-AD Stront will be included. Damn.  :lol:
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Davgardo 05 September, 2017, 08:48:41 AM
After The Ro-Busters Nuts & Bolts hardbacks I am convinced that at some point they'll do similar with the Strontium Dog Starlord strips plus the first few 2000ad strips including Journey into Hell which, of course, received similar colour treatment. I think that is the main reason they won't release those strips in this collection.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Folkghost 05 September, 2017, 04:42:44 PM
Looking forward to getting my mits on the Halo Jones book in the next couple of days. Has anyone had a good look at it yet? I'm wondering how Ian Gibson's beautifully detailed artwork from part III has been reproduced in the new Hachette edition.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Dark Jimbo 05 September, 2017, 05:02:32 PM
Looking forward to getting my mits on the Halo Jones book in the next couple of days. Has anyone had a good look at it yet? I'm wondering how Ian Gibson's beautifully detailed artwork from part III has been reproduced in the new Hachette edition.

I would normally guess 'exactly the same as in the past 3 Rebellion editions' but some of the colours and contrast on Horned God were actually better than in the Rebellion book, so who knows...?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: James Stacey 05 September, 2017, 05:04:19 PM
Reply on Facebook RE: Strontium Dog

There are no current plans for the Starlord-published Strontium Dog stories to be included.

Thanks for the interest!

Glad I haven't tried selling off my Search/Destroy Files yet.
I guess it makes sense as its a 2000ad Ultimate collection not Characters who appear in 2000ad ultimate collection.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Dandontdare 05 September, 2017, 05:39:26 PM
Looking forward to getting my mits on the Halo Jones book in the next couple of days. Has anyone had a good look at it yet? I'm wondering how Ian Gibson's beautifully detailed artwork from part III has been reproduced in the new Hachette edition.

Crisp and clean on good quality paper - only downside is that the pages are smaller than the prog, so may be tricky for old farts like me with deteriorating eyesight
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Folkghost 05 September, 2017, 06:07:23 PM
That's good to hear.
I think the paper quality makes a real difference when the page size is slightly reduced.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: JaHawkDroid 05 September, 2017, 06:10:29 PM
I really struggled to read Book One of Halo Jones last night. The dialogue seems quite muddy, but not sure if that's down to the repro, or me.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 05 September, 2017, 06:23:34 PM
Might be worth checking out another book – the retro seems OK to me, in terms of dialogue balloons.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: JaHawkDroid 05 September, 2017, 06:24:42 PM
Any chance a kind soul here could put up a picture of their copy? The second page of Book One seems a good one to compare?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Fungus 05 September, 2017, 08:41:13 PM
Looking forward to getting my mits on the Halo Jones book in the next couple of days. Has anyone had a good look at it yet? I'm wondering how Ian Gibson's beautifully detailed artwork from part III has been reproduced in the new Hachette edition.

Crisp and clean on good quality paper - only downside is that the pages are smaller than the prog, so may be tricky for old farts like me with deteriorating eyesight

Depending on sales the next partwork may be the LARGE PRINT Collection  :o
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: marko10174 05 September, 2017, 10:30:44 PM

 I would imagine the figures that come with the premium sub are going to be worth a fortune one day.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: abelardsnazz 06 September, 2017, 07:24:42 AM
The Facebook page has answered a question that the next volume of Slaine will be issue 18. Not sure what the thinking behind this is, as Dante seems to be fairly well spread out across the 80, and it means we'll get one Slaine book every 5 issues or so after the next one. I think the Dredd collection has done a pretty good job of keeping a good balance of Dredd and others, old and new, epics and shorts. There it is though.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: JaHawkDroid 06 September, 2017, 07:38:00 AM
Yeah I was a bit gutted about the distance between Slaine volumes. We'll have had 2 of the Nikolai Dante Volume sby then...
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 06 September, 2017, 09:52:22 AM
The Facebook page has answered a question that the next volume of Slaine will be issue 18. Not sure what the thinking behind this is, as Dante seems to be fairly well spread out across the 80, and it means we'll get one Slaine book every 5 issues or so after the next one. I think the Dredd collection has done a pretty good job of keeping a good balance of Dredd and others, old and new, epics and shorts. There it is though.
The only thing I wonder about this is how they have begun mid-story with Slaine and maybe want to give it a breather before returning with Book 1.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: karlos 06 September, 2017, 11:17:23 AM
When is issue #2 due out on the newsstands?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 06 September, 2017, 11:18:35 AM
When is issue #2 due out on the newsstands?

Today!

Apparently my first delivery was dispatched on the 24th... still not arrived...
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: karlos 06 September, 2017, 11:28:37 AM
Many thanks, Arkady - just been to Smiths and they've still got #1 out.

I'm guessing it'll appear later this aft/tomorrow.

Cheers!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 06 September, 2017, 11:44:01 AM
Good luck Karlos - the list of release dates is here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_AD_The_Ultimate_Collection
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: karlos 06 September, 2017, 12:04:21 PM
Thanks a million, Arkady - much appreciated!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: abelardsnazz 06 September, 2017, 12:29:25 PM
Issue 2 wasn't in my local Thrill-merchant or WH Smith's this morning, anyone spotted it in the wild yet?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 06 September, 2017, 02:13:10 PM
Issue 2 wasn't in my local Thrill-merchant or WH Smith's this morning, anyone spotted it in the wild yet?
I came across a Moderator comment reply on a Facebook Ad this morning that said issue two wasn't out until next week. Since then I have seen another ad with it out today as it should be, but I have asked them expressly to confirm which is the case.

Here's the link to the quote: https://www.facebook.com/2000ADCollection/posts/1856477321347258?comment_id=1863114207350236&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D
Mestair Jee: When is issue 2 out?
2000 AD: The Ultimate Collection:
Hi Mestair,
Issue 2 is out on 13th September.
Hope this helps!
4 hrs
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: karlos 06 September, 2017, 02:58:32 PM
I always knew waiting for Halo Jones would be a mistake.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: iainkey 07 September, 2017, 08:45:01 AM
Forbidden Planet in Glasgow sells the Hatchette Dredd mega collection (along with the marvel stuff too) as single collections, it might be worth checking your local comic shops, if you missed them
I think I'm going to try & add to the Judge Dredd collection on the cheap rather than buying them at full price.

For anyone interested, the JDMC bundles I bought were from eBay (example here: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/322586278155) & seem pretty cheap (although listing says minor cover damage, which doesn't really bother me).

I see someone is selling JDMC issues 1-41 on Gumtree for £100 which seems like a bargain for someone, although it's no good for me as I'm nowhere near the seller.

I'll look in the local FP for particular issues later on when I've worked out what ones I actually want so cheers for the recommendation.

Thanks for the heads up on this. Whilst a reader for over 30 years I've only just signed up / subscribed to the new collection. It's peaked my interest in the JD collection too and managed to get one of the bundles containing 8 JDMC issues and 2 Marvels. I emailed the seller and sadly he's not planning on getting more in but here is hoping. I wouldn't want every issue of the JDMC but there are a few!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: karlos 07 September, 2017, 09:30:45 AM
Iain - if you only want odd issues, try the Hatchette website and order straight from them - free delivery on orders of over £25:

https://hachettepartworks.com/judge-dredd-the-mega-collection

: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 07 September, 2017, 10:23:24 AM
Seems to have been confirmed that Issue 2 has slipped to the 13th - no explanation as to why. Wanting to keep Issue 1 on the shelves for longer? Have they given more away by subscription than expected and are short of shelf stock?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 07 September, 2017, 10:27:32 AM
Seems to have been confirmed that Issue 2 has slipped to the 13th - no explanation as to why. Wanting to keep Issue 1 on the shelves for longer? Have they given more away by subscription than expected and are short of shelf stock?
Yes had that feedback on FB, god knows the reasoning. No other series has had issue one out for three weeks.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Timothy 07 September, 2017, 10:38:32 AM
The big issue with the slippage is that, unless there is a 3 week gap until issue 3 too, we will be getting this and the mega collection on the same week for some time. That's going to hurt the wallet.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 07 September, 2017, 11:25:54 AM
Quick chat with Hachette customer services says 2 issues every four weeks for subscribers, so hopefully those customers won't see a delay. They said they had no information regarding newsagents.

For newsagent customers twitter's 2000AD says they held it back a week "to make sure everyone could get a copy" and that each following issue will be every two weeks.

Le sigh.

Hello, I have heard that Issue 2 will not be out until 13th September
Is this true?

Tirego
Hi. Should you be a subscriber, issue 2 has already been dispatched together with issue 1 on the 1st delivery.

You
I'm asking about newsagents, sorry. Do you have that information?

Tirego
Unfortunately, we are not affiliated with the news agents and do not aquire this information.

You
OK, how about this: will subscribers get their second delivery 28 days after their first?

Tirego
It is a fortnightly collection, so every 4 weeks 2 issues are dispacthed

Convo with Tharg:
https://twitter.com/tomwe/status/905725023092080641 (https://twitter.com/tomwe/status/905725023092080641)
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: abelardsnazz 07 September, 2017, 12:45:16 PM
Hmmm, alternate weeks to the MC would have been much better, for wallet and reading purposes.

Also confirmed on Facebook, there will be 2 Ace Trucking volumes, the first of which will be issue 21.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: bernardsfingers 07 September, 2017, 08:32:44 PM
Forbidden Planet in Glasgow sells the Hatchette Dredd mega collection (along with the marvel stuff too) as single collections, it might be worth checking your local comic shops, if you missed them
I think I'm going to try & add to the Judge Dredd collection on the cheap rather than buying them at full price.

For anyone interested, the JDMC bundles I bought were from eBay (example here: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/322586278155) & seem pretty cheap (although listing says minor cover damage, which doesn't really bother me).

I see someone is selling JDMC issues 1-41 on Gumtree for £100 which seems like a bargain for someone, although it's no good for me as I'm nowhere near the seller.

I'll look in the local FP for particular issues later on when I've worked out what ones I actually want so cheers for the recommendation.

Thanks for the heads up on this. Whilst a reader for over 30 years I've only just signed up / subscribed to the new collection. It's peaked my interest in the JD collection too and managed to get one of the bundles containing 8 JDMC issues and 2 Marvels. I emailed the seller and sadly he's not planning on getting more in but here is hoping. I wouldn't want every issue of the JDMC but there are a few!
I bought 2 bundles of 10 JDMC books from that seller so got 20 books for £50, although I've ended up with 2 copies of issues 1-5. I'm pretty happy with them, some of the covers are slightly damaged (ie a corner is bumped, or there's a knock to one of the edges) but the actual pages are perfect. 15 books for £50 works out at only £3.33 each, & there's a lot of good stuff in the ones I got. I just need to find someone to trade the 5 duplicates with.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 07 September, 2017, 08:55:19 PM
some of the covers are slightly damaged (ie a corner is bumped, or there's a knock to one of the edges
A bunch of mine are like that anyway, from Hachette.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tombo 07 September, 2017, 09:56:33 PM
Has it been confirmed that Red Seas isn't been reprinted.  By my reckoning there are still 7 or 8 volumes with unconfirmed content so the whole series could easily be squeezed in.  I known none of the cast appear on the spine but neither do anyone from Meltdown Man, Hewligan's Haircut, or Sooner or Later. 
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: bernardsfingers 07 September, 2017, 10:31:28 PM
some of the covers are slightly damaged (ie a corner is bumped, or there's a knock to one of the edges
A bunch of mine are like that anyway, from Hachette.
That's a bummer, & I guess the same thing will happen with the 2000AD Collection. Saying that, I'm not too fussed about the condition (especially if it makes a difference to the price) as my 20 month old son likes running round the house pulling my books off the shelves with his hands covered in porridge so no point worrying too much.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: A.Cow 08 September, 2017, 01:27:13 AM
Seems to have been confirmed that Issue 2 has slipped to the 13th - no explanation as to why. Wanting to keep Issue 1 on the shelves for longer? Have they given more away by subscription than expected and are short of shelf stock?
Yes had that feedback on FB, god knows the reasoning. No other series has had issue one out for three weeks.

I'd scoured a few newsagents looking for issue 2 and saw at least a dozen unsold issue 1s.

The cynic in me suspects that Slaine has proven to be an unpopular choice as a launch title, and distributors are trying to maximise sales before replacing it with Halo Jones (which will undoubtedly fly off the shelves -- even at the higher price point).
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: JaHawkDroid 08 September, 2017, 07:04:42 AM
I've had less comic-inclined friends who saw this as an opportunity to get into this sci-fi anthology, who were confused that a sci-fi Partworks launched with a fantasy book. To each their own I guess.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: abelardsnazz 08 September, 2017, 08:05:52 AM
Has it been confirmed that Red Seas isn't been reprinted.  By my reckoning there are still 7 or 8 volumes with unconfirmed content so the whole series could easily be squeezed in.  I known none of the cast appear on the spine but neither do anyone from Meltdown Man, Hewligan's Haircut, or Sooner or Later.

I'm fairly sure Red Seas was answered in the negative on the Facebook page. I don't think Kingdom was known about before earlier this week, there'll be two volumes of Ace Trucking and some Robo-Hunter so will those make up the numbers?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 08 September, 2017, 08:30:42 AM
Has it been confirmed that Red Seas isn't been reprinted.  By my reckoning there are still 7 or 8 volumes with unconfirmed content so the whole series could easily be squeezed in.  I known none of the cast appear on the spine but neither do anyone from Meltdown Man, Hewligan's Haircut, or Sooner or Later.

I'm fairly sure Red Seas was answered in the negative on the Facebook page. I don't think Kingdom was known about before earlier this week, there'll be two volumes of Ace Trucking and some Robo-Hunter so will those make up the numbers?

Gene the Hackman is on the spine so was always going to be included.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: karlos 08 September, 2017, 08:42:21 AM
I know it's been shot down by you guys (who, let's face it, know more than I do), but I can't shake the feeling Zenith might be part of the first 80.

Has anyone asked Tharg on FB?

(I would, but I'm not on it!)
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Mattofthespurs 08 September, 2017, 08:49:36 AM
Seems to have been confirmed that Issue 2 has slipped to the 13th - no explanation as to why. Wanting to keep Issue 1 on the shelves for longer? Have they given more away by subscription than expected and are short of shelf stock?
Yes had that feedback on FB, god knows the reasoning. No other series has had issue one out for three weeks.

I'd scoured a few newsagents looking for issue 2 and saw at least a dozen unsold issue 1s.

The cynic in me suspects that Slaine has proven to be an unpopular choice as a launch title, and distributors are trying to maximise sales before replacing it with Halo Jones (which will undoubtedly fly off the shelves -- even at the higher price point).

My local newsie initially got 5 copies in (it's a relatively small shop in a small town) and sold out and has got another 5 in, only one of which has sold.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 08 September, 2017, 10:01:33 AM
By my count now, 72 books are confirmed, and at least a further four (possibly five) are definite as well:

CONFIRMED
ABC Warriors: 6
Ace Trucking: 2
Ampney Crucis: 1
Bad Company: 2
Caballistics: 2
Future Shocks: 2
Halo Jones: 1
Hewligan/Sooner: 1
Judge Dredd: 3
Meltdown Man: 1
Nemesis: 4
Nikolai Dante: 9
Rogue Trooper: 5
Shakara: 2
Sláine: 13
Skizz/DR & Qunich: 1
Savage/Invasion!: 4
Sinister Dexter: 3
Strontium Dog: 10

NUMBERS UNKNOWN
Durham Red ??: 1
Kingdom ??: 1
Robo-Hunter ??: 1
Stickleback ??: 1
Zombo ??: 1

I can't imagine the initial 80 will see anything outside of the above. Durham Red might be counted within Strontium or might not. Regardless, that means there isn't room for existing trade 'upgrades' for all of the 'unknown' books.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 08 September, 2017, 10:16:56 AM
I know it's been shot down by you guys (who, let's face it, know more than I do), but I can't shake the feeling Zenith might be part of the first 80.

Has anyone asked Tharg on FB?

(I would, but I'm not on it!)
yes definitely not included in initial 80, sorry.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 08 September, 2017, 10:18:38 AM
By my count now, 72 books are confirmed, and at least a further four (possibly five) are definite as well:
At this point, other than maybe getting a number on Robo-Hunter, I think I'm happy to wait and see if there are any surprises.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: karlos 08 September, 2017, 10:31:26 AM
Many thanks for the confirmation, Tomwe!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: marko10174 08 September, 2017, 11:33:59 AM

 How long did you guys wait until your first order arrived?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 08 September, 2017, 11:46:28 AM
Subscribed on the 21st, supposedly dispatched on the 24th, due to be received within 14 days (i.e. by today), still nothing.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: bernardsfingers 08 September, 2017, 11:57:41 PM
What the chuff are we talking about the comics about here when we have shelvery like that.

Those Sir Wells are a thing of almost infinite beauty. Is there anymore you could whip out for us all to oggle at?

Just for you Colin, my Child Cave!

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Mrs Pete hates this room  :D
Did you see this?
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https://www.planetreplicas.com/product-page/metal-1-1-dredd-badge-styled-by-jock
£40.00 + postage.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: matty_ae 09 September, 2017, 06:08:48 AM

The cynic in me suspects that Slaine has proven to be an unpopular choice as a launch title, and distributors are trying to maximise sales before replacing it with Halo Jones (which will undoubtedly fly off the shelves -- even at the higher price point).

I can't really let that unfounded comment go. Slaine Horned God is one, if not the, best selling reprint 2000ad has ever done. Its an incredible well regarded book and uniquely benefits from having better printing than the original issues. It will sell 5 times the other books at the 1.99p price point and because every new subscriber will definitely start with this issue.

I love Halo and think historically it has huge significance as a feminist book (and just a great story) but Slaine HG is about as popular as it gets. Pat Mills referred to the low price but said he was assured his royalties would be boosted by the incredibly high print run.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: BPP 09 September, 2017, 04:35:28 PM
The Horned God only appeared on the shelves for one week here - the 'second' official week. The only place nearby stocking it had 5 copies in - all gone now but whether that was sales or cleared off the shelves I don't know. No sign of Halo Jones. Tad annoying as I was in to buy multiple copies as gifts / inducements.

The America issue of Dredd had far more copies in stock.

: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: The Monarch 09 September, 2017, 05:38:35 PM
i haven't seen halo anywhere at all did it come out?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Steve Green 09 September, 2017, 05:41:44 PM
Been delayed a week apparently.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: A.Cow 09 September, 2017, 05:43:03 PM
The cynic in me suspects that Slaine has proven to be an unpopular choice as a launch title, and distributors are trying to maximise sales before replacing it with Halo Jones (which will undoubtedly fly off the shelves -- even at the higher price point).

I can't really let that unfounded comment go. Slaine Horned God is one, if not the, best selling reprint 2000ad has ever done.

A fair point, but I'm guessing that's due to its disproportionate* popularity in mainland Europe.  Is Horned God really such a best-seller within the collection's target market (UK, ROI, Australia/NZ & South Africa)?

I'm no doubt speaking completely from my arse (and from my own personal prejudice against the wearisome barbarian) so please correct me if I'm being presumptuous.

__
* According to Mills (http://old.brokenfrontier.com/lowdown/p/detail/the-horned-god-pat-mills-talks-slaine), "Other 2000AD series have not had the same widespread success in Europe."


: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: marko10174 09 September, 2017, 05:55:59 PM

 Do you think the ultimate collection will be a successful as the mega collection? or have a fair chance of rivalling it? I mean, I would imagine the ultimate collection will be more than successful enough to complete it's entire run?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: matty_ae 09 September, 2017, 06:32:17 PM
They have to do the 80 issues or they'll leave a lot of angry unfinished spines.

I may have been a bit too defensive of the Horned God. Yup must of 'us' already have it but this is really about the mainstream. Guys who maybe haven't bought a comic for 20 years but love a bit of Marvel at the cinema and wouldn't mind a 'quirky' collection of comics from their youth.

A guy on the train recognised Rogue Trooper from my Southern Contingent t-shirt and could remember all the chip's names and the planet etc.
"Do you buy 2000ad?" I asked
"What? Is that still going?" He replied. Zero interest in new stuff but hardback of ole Rogue and he's got the Direct Debate happily set-up.

I think this is aimed at him.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Steve Green 09 September, 2017, 06:33:41 PM
I doubt it will be as successful as the Dredd collection.

There is a big dropoff in popularity in other merchandise, I can't see why this might be any different, plus the mega-collection probably profited off the back of the 2012 home video sales.


I've noticed a couple of things, no idea if it means much though.

The FB likes for the Ultimate Collection are a shade over 2000, the Mega Collection is 14,000+

OK it's early days, and likes don't equal sales, but that's quite a gap to make up.

I also thought it was interesting that in the recent FB live competition, the prize of a subscription for the collection had far fewer entries than those of a PR Lawgiver or a ThreeA Lawmaster, even though the value of a subscription was 10x the value of the other prizes.

Now maybe it was down to the timing, or maybe people just don't have the space/or are a bit more conservative than expected.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 09 September, 2017, 07:05:08 PM
The fact it's happening suggests the sales are such that it's viable, however. If it wasn't, those four initial books would have been it.

I do hope it works out, too. 80 books is stretching Dredd. 90 books is overkill. 80 for 2000 AD is a drop in the ocean. You could easily add another 40 books and still have great material left to run.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Steve Green 09 September, 2017, 07:11:49 PM
Yeah I hope it works out, but I think the argument for anthologies works against a partworks collection of the same (or at least subscribing to one)

The old "ah well, it's an anthology and if you don't like future war, or fantasy, or whatever then there are a bunch of other stories" doesn't really help if you're paying £800 for a collection.

It just magnifies anything the subscriber or potential subscriber doesn't like into a hard to ignore chunk of the collection.

Despite the Dredd collection's questionable stories, I think it appeals more to the completists in that it has a connection to Dredd, which a collection of anthology stories doesn't have.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Swerty 09 September, 2017, 09:11:04 PM
The fact it's happening suggests the sales are such that it's viable, however. If it wasn't, those four initial books would have been it.

I do hope it works out, too. 80 books is stretching Dredd. 90 books is overkill. 80 for 2000 AD is a drop in the ocean. You could easily add another 40 books and still have great material left to run.

Im this runs for double that!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: karlos 09 September, 2017, 09:55:41 PM
Yes, think the readership of the UC will be approx. 80% us lot i.e existing fanbase, 10% lapsed 2000ad readers and 10% new peeps.


: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: matty_ae 10 September, 2017, 08:35:25 AM
Yes, think the readership of the UC will be approx. 80% us lot i.e existing fanbase, 10% lapsed 2000ad readers and 10% new peeps.

Nope. Cant be.
1) Not enough of us
2) Rebellion could have done that itself

Now 90% new peeps/lapsed readers I'd believe
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: JaHawkDroid 10 September, 2017, 05:01:54 PM
I imagine following Prog 2000 a year back, this could pick up readers like myself who liked comics anyway but used the excitement of Prog 2000 to jump on board. This is an affordable (in relative terms), stylish way to collect the greatest hits of 2000AD without breaking the bank all at once, and can see it being appealing to that group.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Jade Falcon 10 September, 2017, 09:44:16 PM
Mmmm, no VC's on that list?  And regarding Savage/Invasion, will this cover more than whats already out, namely, Invasion, The Guv'nor and Taking Liberties?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: BPP 11 September, 2017, 01:19:59 AM
I think it is a paradox that the MC is variable in quality but the UC is is pretty much all killer no filler. I mean you may not like a character or argue that the Slaine and Stront contributions are too high but really this stuff is all pretty much gold. I think its actually easier to get lapsed readers into this stuff and I know several guys who have said 'I wont subscribe but flag up decent individual issues to me..'

I've sorta explained to them that that is pretty hard as the quality is constantly high bar. Its much easier to cherry pick the MC.

Still I think getting them to buy The Kreeler Conspiracy is a good start - that's one absolute top notch fun read - classic art, fun fast action adventure.. if they read and enjoyed 2000AD back in the 80s/90s they'll realise this stuff they haven't read is pure classic 2000AD.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Magnetica 11 September, 2017, 12:09:27 PM
I'm not sure it is a paradox. Don't forget Dredd is just one of 5 stories in a typical weekly Prog so there is a lot more non Dredd material to choose from. Given the sheer amount of stuff available, it is much easier for it all to be top quality than the Mega Collection.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 11 September, 2017, 01:16:48 PM
Yep. The 2000 AD collection will exhaust most of its heavy hitters in 80 books, but that still leaves an awful lot of really great stuff that won't be collected in that run. Dredd still has a reasonable amount of b+w that's not in the first 80 books, but a half-dozen or so books of largely redeemable dross, and probably another ten that aren't exactly knocking on the ‘classic content’ door.

I'll continue collecting all the Dredd books, but couldn't give a hoot about the extra ten. The 2000 AD one, though, I'd happily see continue indefinitely.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Steve Green 11 September, 2017, 01:22:22 PM
There seem to be some odd omissions so far - McMahon classics like Christmas comes to Des 0' Connor block, Judge Minty/The Long Walk, and newer ones like My Beautiful Career by Wagner/Coleby.

That last one I think is on par with Bury my Knee, but doesn't seem to get half as much attention.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 11 September, 2017, 01:33:26 PM
Well, there are ten extra books coming, and we've no idea what'll be in most of those. Seems an ideal time to revisit some of the earlier Dredds that have been missed, since you're basically preaching entirely to the converted at this point.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Magnetica 11 September, 2017, 02:07:46 PM
There seem to be some odd omissions so far - McMahon classics like Christmas comes to Des 0' Connor block...

Possibly the single greatest Dredd one off episode of all time (?). Of the " comedy" ones anyway.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 11 September, 2017, 05:29:29 PM
Anyone order on or after 21 August and received theirs already?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: The Monarch 11 September, 2017, 05:54:38 PM
the lack of kenny who was a crime
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Woolly 12 September, 2017, 08:49:45 PM
Anyone order on or after 21 August and received theirs already?

I subscribed on the 25th, and received mine today. It was delivered by Hermes, and I'm based in Sheffield, if that's any help.

Yep, the mug is a bit shit, but it is also a mug with Chris Weston art adorning it so therefore it cannot be shit!
The free poster is smaller than the one with the newsagent version, oddly.*
Repro on Halo Jones is, so far, thoroughly acceptable.** Not brilliant, but acceptable.


*I don't really want either of 'em. PM me your address - first one to do so gets both absolutely free!
**Only read Book One so far, so appreciate it could get better.***



*** I'm starting to feel like Frank...  :-\
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: karlos 13 September, 2017, 11:53:09 AM
Halo Jones is now on the newsstands.

Can't open my copy yet as I'm at work, but Wolly's statement about the repro. is a wee bit disappointing.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: abelardsnazz 13 September, 2017, 12:10:51 PM
A change I've noticed between the pilot Halo issue and the new one is that the title and intro pages have been coloured. Wonder whether this the plan for all the black & white volumes to break them up a bit.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 13 September, 2017, 01:19:58 PM
A change I've noticed between the pilot Halo issue and the new one is that the title and intro pages have been coloured. Wonder whether this the plan for all the black & white volumes to break them up a bit.
Didn't the trial covers have a 'corner box' image as well? Something else to help see what the books is without taking it off the shelf all together. Guess was messy design.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Rara Avis 13 September, 2017, 07:00:57 PM
I received my first order about two weeks ago and was delighted with my mug, poster and the two novels. I had never read The Ballad of Halo Jones so to sit down and read the whole thing was a treat for me. I think the quality is great and I'm looking forward to receiving my next two.

There was a lot of debate about subscribing to this collection as many people are already subscribed to the MC and others. Would that not explain the reduced numbers signing up ?

As someone who read 2000AD for years, lapsed and returned within the last two years I see the collection as a way for me to re-read strips I'm already familiar with and become acquainted with characters I would have missed out on in the meantime. There's plenty of JD stuff out there already that I hope to get caught up on over the coming years but the release of this collection is just perfectly timing for me.

I am hoping the series will feature stories that might not have been reprinted except as part of a collection like this.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Jade Falcon 13 September, 2017, 11:32:27 PM
A secondary thing is that some of the material that was reprinted in the past didn't have a long print life and goes for premiums on Amazon and Abe these days.  Some of the Savage stuff for instance.  Depending on what is being reprinted if, if all you are wanting is something to read (like me), rather than an original collection, this is ideal.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: DrRocka 13 September, 2017, 11:38:48 PM
Despite the lack of info on the spines rubbing my OCD bone the wrong way, the sheer handsomeness of the first volume persuaded me to sign up for more. Rather than subscribe and get free gifts (I've enough junk cluttering up me domicile, tank ya very mooch), I've got my local comic shop thrill - merchant to order me a copy. Which is lovely, because he's been looking for a way into 2000ad for years (despite me giving him a lengthy chat once a week when I pick up my prog, and pointing out all the jumping on isssues). 
So yeah, here's Halo Jones, the book looks gorgeous, and it was wonderful to revisit it again. Top collection, cheers Tharg.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: oddballuk 14 September, 2017, 01:52:46 PM
Private message on Facebook informs me that Robo-Hunter will be 3 volumes.

No Millar run (thankfully) collected or the Samantha Slade spin-off.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 14 September, 2017, 02:47:38 PM
On that basis, 75 books are now known. So the only questions are, of the remaining five, what's the split between Kingdom, Stickleback and Zombo? (And is Durham Red part of the Strontium Dog ten or not?)
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 14 September, 2017, 03:19:49 PM
Of the remaining five what's the split between Kingdom, Stickleback and Zombo? (And is Durham Red part of the Strontium Dog ten or not?)
Pretty sure Stickleback was a single volume in FB replies.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Jamie1000013 14 September, 2017, 08:58:38 PM
I'm already getting the Mega collection so I think I'll just buy volumes off of Hachette's site tbh. I really really want the sketch book you get free on the 9th delivery though, hopefully someone Ebay's it >.<. I've already picked up the first 2 volumes at my local store not sure how long they will put them out for maybe up to issue 10 or so, the Mega collection didn't last too long in stores for me.

I think I will pick up:

Sinister Dexter all volumes (Only read new stuff prog 1900 plus)
Rogue Trooper (never read)
Strontium dog (All volumes, read little bits)
Kingdom
Shakara (Never read)
Nemesis the Warlock (Never read)
Durnham Red (Never Read)

Probably dodging:

Slaine
Stickleback
Zombo (Read them all)
Nikolai Dantae (Not my thing, tried didn't like)

Anyone recommend me any to look out for?

Will there be any ULYSSES SWEET? For some reason I really enjoyed that strip that started in prog 1912
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: karlos 14 September, 2017, 09:11:39 PM
Private message on Facebook informs me that Robo-Hunter will be 3 volumes.

No Millar run (thankfully) collected or the Samantha Slade spin-off.

So, that should collect all the classic Sam Slade stuff - but is there also room in those 3 volumes for the later Hogan/Hughes run?

As I've never read the Samantha Slade stuff, would you guys recommend it?  And why did it seem to finish so abruptly?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 14 September, 2017, 09:19:12 PM
Zero chance for Ulysses Sweet. By the looks of it, Kingdom might only be one book, too. I hope not.

Robo-Hunter: the two existing books clock in at about 770 pages. That puts them beyond the Hachette page count for three books. My guess: it'll be the classic Slade run, omitting some or all of Hogan/Hughes. Samantha Slade was… OK. It finished abruptly because Ian Gibson decided he didn't want to illustrate it any more, and I assume Alan Grant then lost interest in writing further series.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: karlos 14 September, 2017, 09:31:53 PM
Thanks for the reply, IndigoPrime!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 17 September, 2017, 02:32:00 PM
Advert in 2049 for Shakara "on sale now", continues to suggest the three weeks Issue 1 spent on the stands was not originally planned.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 17 September, 2017, 05:39:45 PM
Weren't some pages of Halo Jones originally in colour? If so how come that's not reproduced here?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Steve Green 17 September, 2017, 05:54:25 PM
Because they don't always reproduce colour spreads.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Mattofthespurs 18 September, 2017, 11:12:22 AM
Christ, Hachette don't make things easy for the subscriber, do they.
I subbed to the trial and when that finished I was told I would get the first four issues of the re-launch for free. Fair enough. When it did re-start I upgraded to premium and was then promptly charged for the first two issues.
I sent them an email and contacted them on FB three weeks ago, but to no avail. So one, difficult to understand, telephone conversation later I have been told that the first three issues will now be free and the lady said she would clear my account down so it read a nil balance. I did explain that I should be paying £4.50 (3x £1.50 for the premium) which I was happy to pay but she declined it and said I did not have to pay it.
Can't say I'm overly confident that everything has been sorted and a bit miffed that I'm going to be charged for the fourth volume but having been on the telephone for 12 minutes and having a time delay in the conversation that meant we kept talking over each other I'm going to let the fourth free issue slide. It's worth a tenner just to get out of that call with my sanity still intact.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: moldovangerbil 18 September, 2017, 01:19:01 PM
I'm really enjoying the collection, but the prospect of having to call the hachette 'helpline' (surely an ironic title?) reduces me to a sobbing, blubbery mess.  I have no issue with an overseas helpline, but surely there has to be a basic level of competency insisted on?  It's monumentally painful having to deal with them when things go wrong.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Mattofthespurs 18 September, 2017, 02:31:56 PM
I'm really enjoying the collection, but the prospect of having to call the hachette 'helpline' (surely an ironic title?) reduces me to a sobbing, blubbery mess.  I have no issue with an overseas helpline, but surely there has to be a basic level of competency insisted on?  It's monumentally painful having to deal with them when things go wrong.

I don't mind the 'help' line being overseas if they pay for a decent line. I can barely hear them and the delay is infuriating.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: moldovangerbil 18 September, 2017, 05:01:27 PM
Anyone had the 3rd and 4th books yet?  I've just noticed a £9.99 charge on my account (which I assume is the fourth book) but I've not had the books yet.  I've never been charged for the JD Mega Collection books before receiving them so wondered if anyone else had come across this?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 18 September, 2017, 05:20:23 PM
Anyone had the 3rd and 4th books yet?  I've just noticed a £9.99 charge on my account (which I assume is the fourth book) but I've not had the books yet.  I've never been charged for the JD Mega Collection books before receiving them so wondered if anyone else had come across this?
Mine is the same - I think this is the 'new' style Hachette account, where the charge on the account means the books have been allocated. It's £9.99 as there's a free book with delivery 2, so issues three and four should be with us in the next two weeks.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 18 September, 2017, 07:35:04 PM
That would put issue 4, if not issue 3, in the hands of subscribers before it hits the shelves. Which would be nice. I take it that's not how it works for the Mega Collection?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 18 September, 2017, 08:04:18 PM
Depends where you are in the dispatch queue. If you're at the front, you tend to get your books around the time the first is on sale. If you're further back, it's between the two. 
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Dandontdare 18 September, 2017, 08:58:59 PM
I decided not to renew after the test sub, but they still sent me 1&2 again (free) plus the mug and poster - I e-mailed just to confirm I wasn't going to be subbing, so I don't know if they'll send me another #3 as well.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Mattofthespurs 19 September, 2017, 07:18:48 AM
Depends where you are in the dispatch queue. If you're at the front, you tend to get your books around the time the first is on sale. If you're further back, it's between the two.

Spot on. I'm at the front of the queue and get both volumes before the first has hit the newsagents but only by a day or so.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 19 September, 2017, 09:31:38 AM
That would put issue 4, if not issue 3, in the hands of subscribers before it hits the shelves. Which would be nice. I take it that's not how it works for the Mega Collection?
The Mega Collection's subscription page is more detailed - it shows the two books being allocated (though not their issue numbers since the text is too long for the screen), which then arrive after about two weeks, and then a separate listing for the payment.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 19 September, 2017, 10:35:27 AM
Do we know whether the Shakara volume is the complete Shakara?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 19 September, 2017, 10:45:04 AM
It's basically a hardback of the first Rebellion volume, isn't it?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 19 September, 2017, 10:51:38 AM
Do we know whether the Shakara volume is the complete Shakara?
It's basically a hardback of the first Rebellion volume, isn't it?
Squinty here for the lowdown:
(http://www.2000adcollection.com/wp-content/themes/2000ad/im/collection-issue3-DPS1.jpg)
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: TordelBack 19 September, 2017, 11:10:49 AM
Yep, from those numbers Barney suggests that this just includes the first three series, up to the end of The Defiant (160 pages), leaving some 147 pages of Destroyer and Avenger to go.  Hopefully in a future volume?

Makes the subtitle of this volume a bit odd though.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 19 September, 2017, 11:19:16 AM
That also makes for a skinny book, given that they need to be in the 200–250 range, according to Matt Smith. Must be padded out some (covers/sketches/texty bits).
: Re: New Hachette tests
: Tomwe 19 September, 2017, 11:41:23 AM
That also makes for a skinny book, given that they need to be in the 200–250 range, according to Matt Smith. Must be padded out some (covers/sketches/texty bits).
Here's abelardsnazz on the content of the Shakara test volume from May:
Interesting point. I haven't done a page count but the Shakara volume is bulked out with character sketches, covers etc.

Total strip page count for The Horned God and Halo Jones are 187 and 199 respectively so the full volumes come in at around the 200 mark.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: TordelBack 19 September, 2017, 12:02:44 PM
There's also reference to Megazine 339 in that list of sources, which does feature a 4-page Henry Flint-drawn Future Shock.

EDIT: which I see Abelardsnazz helpfully listed some 4 months ago, along with everything else we've been discussing... I feel sure there was a time when I could remember things, but I can't think when.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 19 September, 2017, 01:23:41 PM
As with Kingdom, I really want to know whether there will be a second volume covering the remaining published work or whether I should buy the relevant trade instead.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: abelardsnazz 19 September, 2017, 05:11:42 PM
Good to know some people read my ramblings!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: moly 19 September, 2017, 05:33:48 PM
The shakara doesn't have any other book listed, maybe if it gets extended
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Dandontdare 19 September, 2017, 07:50:20 PM
That also makes for a skinny book, given that they need to be in the 200–250 range, according to Matt Smith. Must be padded out some (covers/sketches/texty bits).

there is a wee bit of padding - as well as vols 1-3 (Shakara, The Assassin & The Defiant) there's a 6 page illustrated interview with the creators, plus 12 pages of covers and sketches
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 20 September, 2017, 12:13:53 PM
Shakara and Kingdom will both have a second volume - confirmed on Twitter.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 20 September, 2017, 12:32:53 PM
Is that 79 confirmed volumes so far?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 20 September, 2017, 12:43:01 PM
Is that 79 confirmed volumes so far?

I think so, the only difference between my list and IndigoPrime's is he has four books for Invasion/Savage and I don't recall that being confirmed at all?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: TordelBack 20 September, 2017, 12:44:02 PM
Shakara and Kingdom will both have a second volume - confirmed on Twitter.

Good stuff.  That guarantees them a sale of those four books to me, instead of none.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 20 September, 2017, 12:48:24 PM
Shakara and Kingdom will both have a second volume - confirmed on Twitter.

Good stuff.  That guarantees them a sale of those four books to me, instead of none.

Pleases me too. Woukd have felt weird to have the first half in the Collection and have to get the rest in a soft cover trade. Maybe that's just me being OCD, but it would have grated.

Shout-out for Cannon Fodder being the 80th volume!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 20 September, 2017, 01:40:58 PM
Shakara not having the other half of the story would have been an odd decision, given that it's finite. (Getting only a bit of Stickleback and Kingdom is irksome, but there's at least the chance of an extension.)

I think so, the only difference between my list and IndigoPrime's is he has four books for Invasion/Savage and I don't recall that being confirmed at all?
You're right. I just checked Facebook, and someone confirms both Invasion and Savage are included, but not how many books we'll get. So that's a minimum of 2. As far as I can tell, 73 volumes have been confirmed now, and three/four characters, too. Here's my current list, which makes 80:

CONFIRMED
ABC Warriors: 6
Ace Trucking: 2
Ampney Crucis: 1
Bad Company: 2
Caballistics: 2
Future Shocks: 2
Halo Jones: 1
Hewligan/Sooner: 1
Judge Dredd: 3
Kingdom: 2
Meltdown Man: 1
Nemesis: 4
Nikolai Dante [complete]: 9
Robo-Hunter: 3
Rogue Trooper: 5
Shakara [complete]: 2
Sláine: 13
Skizz/DR & Qunich: 1
Sinister Dexter: 3
Strontium Dog [no Starlord]: 10

NUMBERS UNKNOWN
Durham Red: 1
Savage/Invasion!: 4
Stickleback: 1
Zombo: 1

With the above, Durham Red may or may not be a standalone. (I'd argue it would be odd if it's part of the Strontium Dog books. It's a different series, in the way ABC Warriors is not Nemesis the Warlock.)
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 20 September, 2017, 02:19:56 PM
someone confirms both Invasion and Savage are included, but not how many books we'll get. So that's a minimum of 2.
I think you're on the money with the four - one for Invasion matching the Rebellion book and then three for Savage, adding one more to what is already in print/collected.

So yeah, thats our 80. Three years until the extension, and a heck of a lot to read in the meantime!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Dark Jimbo 20 September, 2017, 03:03:58 PM
With the above, Durham Red may or may not be a standalone. (I'd argue it would be odd if it's part of the Strontium Dog books. It's a different series, in the way ABC Warriors is not Nemesis the Warlock.)

Do we know exactly what it will be...? The Abnett-Harrison run?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: The Monarch 20 September, 2017, 04:20:01 PM
it is the abnett/harrison run
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Dark Jimbo 20 September, 2017, 04:46:30 PM
it is the abnett/harrison run

GET IN! That is going to be one sexy hardback...!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: jannerboyuk 20 September, 2017, 07:03:21 PM
That list is great for me, at least 50 books of stuff i dont have and will really like! Really nice wuality as well, hope it manages the whole run
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 20 September, 2017, 07:40:47 PM
To further clarify, Durham Red – according to Tharg himself – is the entire Abnett run in a single volume.

As for that list, what strikes me about it is how much scope there is for an extension, in the way that's just not the case to the same level for Dredd. Within three years, you'd have a slew of additional material in the Prog; but even if Rebellion's not keen about duplication, you've loads of John Smith stuff, more Dredd/Anderson to add, existing Rebellion tomes that won't have been in the collection for Stickleback, Zombo, Kingdom, and so on.

I'm continuing with the Dredd run because, well, why not? But this one I'd be properly happy to see extended to 100–120 books.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: The Monarch 20 September, 2017, 08:35:06 PM
yeah what he said i really hope for some red seas and a ton of smithiverse stuff in a possible extension
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: BPP 20 September, 2017, 08:56:33 PM
Surely the greatest fear is that one of the three Dredd will be Helter Skelter.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: abelardsnazz 20 September, 2017, 09:55:21 PM
Surely the greatest fear is that one of the three Dredd will be Helter Skelter.

Helter Skelter already appeared in The Day The Law Died volume of the Mega Collection, and it's been confirmed there won't be any duplication between the two collections, so fear not.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 20 September, 2017, 10:10:57 PM
Shows how much effect it had on me – I totally forgot it has been in the MC. (Although I also now recall not finding it too bad a read in one hit.)
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: BPP 21 September, 2017, 10:08:48 AM
Never got over rereading it in the Carlos collection. It must mindwipe from me automatically.

Just Crusade to fear then.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: I, Cosh 21 September, 2017, 10:20:51 AM
Ditch Inferno, which I assume was in the Mega Collection, and the rest of the Summer Offensive makes up 184 pages. Instant buy for me.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: TordelBack 21 September, 2017, 12:16:12 PM
Those are good numbers. Ditch Really & Truly and you'd have room for more Big Dave.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 21 September, 2017, 12:46:57 PM
and you'd have room for more Big Dave
That, for me, very much isn't a positive. I struggle to think of anything 2000 AD has ever run that's as divisive (and, to my mind, as absurdly off target/scattergun with its barbs).
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: I, Cosh 21 September, 2017, 01:00:54 PM
Those are good numbers. Ditch Really & Truly and you'd have room for more Big Dave.
Except Really & Truly was the one genuinely good strip in the Summer Offensive! Happy for a Complete Big Dave at some point in the future though.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: The Monarch 21 September, 2017, 01:43:00 PM
isn't big dave legit owned my the creators because fleetway wanted nothing to do with it?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 21 September, 2017, 02:28:50 PM
On Facebook Des Doyle asks:
In this weeks Prog it's advertised that Shakara is out now but it isn't right?? It should be out next week with the Mega Collection?? Something seems to have gone askew with the marketing of these volumes as opposed to their actual release dates - can you clarify?
…and the answer clears up what happened there, if not why.
2000 AD Hachette's decision to put The Horned God on sale for an extra week took place after the recent issues had been sent to print, so there was nothing we could do about the adverts. It's sorted for future issues though.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Pete Wells 22 September, 2017, 12:00:58 AM
Was just about to go to bed and noticed a big box on my chair. It was issues 3&4 (Shakara and Stront) and another mug with better printing. Anyone else get this?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: davidbishop 22 September, 2017, 06:10:33 AM
Those are good numbers. Ditch Really & Truly and you'd have room for more Big Dave.
Except Really & Truly was the one genuinely good strip in the Summer Offensive! Happy for a Complete Big Dave at some point in the future though.

Really & Truly is in the Rian Hughes's hardback compilation Yesterday's Tomorrows, along with Dare - Gosh was still selling copies for a £10 last time I was in!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: TordelBack 22 September, 2017, 07:30:10 AM
Except Really & Truly was the one genuinely good strip in the Summer Offensive!

You wot, Cosh? It may have been the prettiest strip, but it was empty drivel. Maybe it was because I was reading a half dozen identical cutesy trippy non-stories in other comics at the time, but it committed the one unforgiveable crime on the 2000AD statute books: being boring. Slaughterbowl FTW.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 22 September, 2017, 08:23:09 AM
Was just about to go to bed and noticed a big box on my chair. It was issues 3&4 (Shakara and Stront) and another mug with better printing. Anyone else get this?

Congrats! I'm not at all bitterly jealous that you have these in time for the weekend. I assume you were an early subscriber? Cool that they're sending them out so far in advance of the shelf date.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: I, Cosh 22 September, 2017, 08:54:27 AM
Except Really & Truly was the one genuinely good strip in the Summer Offensive!
You wot, Cosh? It may have been the prettiest strip, but it was empty drivel. Maybe it was because I was reading a half dozen identical cutesy trippy non-stories in other comics at the time, but it committed the one unforgiveable crime on the 2000AD statute books: being boring. Slaughterbowl FTW.
One mans empty drivel is another man's frothy summer fun! With fabulous art. Out of interest, what were the other stories as I certainly wasn't reading anything else like it.

And while it grieves me to have to disagree with you twice in one post, I've never got the love for Slaughterbowl. For me, it's the one John Smith story that offers nothing. If there was ever a time when serial-killers on dinosaurs were boring, that as it.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 22 September, 2017, 10:25:13 AM
I quite liked Slaughterbowl, but it felt like an extended Future Shock, given the twist. It probably would have worked well in the 3hrillers format, perhaps. As for the notion of 'empty drivel', that rather summed up that entire period for me. Maniac 5 was brainless entertainment, but I don't have any interest in reading it again – and certainly not in hardback. Really & Truly was breezy fun, but inessential (and I already have that Hughes collection in hardback). Big Dave remains one of the more troubling things I've ever read in 2000 AD, on the basis of how much it misses the mark. (Satire only works if you have at least some precision. Big Dave too often became just as hideous as the things it's supposed to be rallying against.)

I wouldn't care if strips like Maniac 5 or Slaughterbowl end up in the floppy, but I'd sooner they get to the back of the queue in a collection that still doesn't include the likes of Zenith, Red Seas, Firekind and Indigo Prime.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: TordelBack 22 September, 2017, 01:18:49 PM
One mans empty drivel is another man's frothy summer fun! With fabulous art. Out of interest, what were the other stories as I certainly wasn't reading anything else like it.

Lawks, I dunno, seemed like everything late '80s/early '90s drawn by Alan Martin, Philip Bond, Evan Dorkin, Jamie Hewlett and even Jamie Hernandez on occasion was kooky plotless meanderings with cute girls, SF gadgets and druggy overtones: and it wasn't as good as any of those! It might be fairer to say that I was bored, rather than it was boring: there's a sort of Pirate Corps$/Planet Swerve/Tank Girl mash-up in my head that probably needs unpicking, but by '93 I'd read too much of 'it'.

Obviously the Hughes art lifts it above the  awful, but perhaps a re-read would put the whole thing in a better light.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: I, Cosh 22 September, 2017, 02:34:29 PM
One mans empty drivel is another man's frothy summer fun! With fabulous art. Out of interest, what were the other stories as I certainly wasn't reading anything else like it.
Lawks, I dunno, seemed like everything late '80s/early '90s drawn by Alan Martin, Philip Bond, Evan Dorkin, Jamie Hewlett and even Jamie Hernandez on occasion was kooky plotless meanderings with cute girls, SF gadgets and druggy overtones: and it wasn't as good as any of those! It might be fairer to say that I was bored, rather than it was boring: there's a sort of Pirate Corps$/Planet Swerve/Tank Girl mash-up in my head that probably needs unpicking, but by '93 I'd read too much of 'it'.

Obviously the Hughes art lifts it above the  awful, but perhaps a re-read would put the whole thing in a better light.
Fair enough. I'll have to confess my complete ignorance of the first two and I only ever read Tank Girl after the fact. So, perhaps it seemed fresher to me. In addition, I don't mind a bit of zaniness to offset the polemics and brutality: Hewligan's Haircut and Shamballa go together like a horse and marriage...
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: The Monarch 22 September, 2017, 02:54:32 PM
oh my god haircut time flies AND shamballa ran in the same progs didn't they? :lol:
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Rara Avis 22 September, 2017, 03:42:32 PM
My issues so should be in the post and I expect to receive them next week.

I had heard something that concerned me .. friend of a friend etc ... They said that sometimes Hatchette don't always send what they are supposed to so you *might* get two issues of say 45 and then none of 27.
Has anyone experienced this? One of the benefits (for me) of signing up was that everything would just be sent to me and I wouldn't have to worry about missing issues or orders not being sent at all etc etc

Say it ain't so...
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 22 September, 2017, 04:14:00 PM
So far – and we're, what, about 70 issues into the Dredd run? – I've had no missed issues, and none sent in error. I've had some prangs and damages, but received replacements whenever I've asked for one.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 22 September, 2017, 04:19:52 PM
My issues so should be in the post and I expect to receive them next week.

I had heard something that concerned me .. friend of a friend etc ... They said that sometimes Hatchette don't always send what they are supposed to so you *might* get two issues of say 45 and then none of 27.
Has anyone experienced this? One of the benefits (for me) of signing up was that everything would just be sent to me and I wouldn't have to worry about missing issues or orders not being sent at all etc etc

Say it ain't so...

Any packing or printing errors like this can be sorted via a DM to the Facebook page, or directly with Hachette customer services though I recommend the former.
I've had a few 'one off' printing errors replaced, as well as one line wide mistake. Usually takes a couple of weeks for replacements to arrive but they do come.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 22 September, 2017, 04:49:36 PM
If you do need replacements, it might also be worth asking them if they can be packaged well. I got a Total War replacement that looked like someone had used it as a football, because it was sent loose in a thin bubblewrap envelope.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: marko10174 23 September, 2017, 07:39:24 PM

 It's Shakara and Strontium dog next isn't it? do they all get sent out at the same time? or depending on when you subscribed?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 23 September, 2017, 07:41:27 PM
With the Dredd collection, deliveries happened across a four-week period. I've no idea whether that's the case with this one. There's definitely at least a little variance, however.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Jade Falcon 23 September, 2017, 08:09:29 PM
Why does that list have so many Slaine and Strontium Dog?  Nothing against them, but there are so many stories that could be done.  For instance, I see no mention of the VC's.  I have the two graphic novels, but the last one was left at a bit of a cliffhanger, also, Savage, is there going to be more material than what has been printed already?  I also assume it won't have the spin off Savage story (Disaster was it?) where he drove around flooded Britain in a DUKW.  Just how far will Rogue be taken, I have the 6 graphic novels that were released originally, the 86ers and the Extreme Edition with Cinnibar.

I'm surprised that there seems to be none of the future sports like Harlem Heroes/Inferno or Mean Streets.

Is there anything else people would like to have seen?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Jim_Campbell 23 September, 2017, 08:13:17 PM
I'm surprised that there seems to be none of the future sports like Harlem Heroes/Inferno or Mean Streets.

Future sport has always been the least popular strip category in 2000AD since forever.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 23 September, 2017, 08:48:27 PM
Is there anything else people would like to have seen?
Loads, as noted elsewhere. But this is a collection about heavy-hitters (of which Sláine and Strontium Dog are arguably the biggest). Perhaps if it's a success, an extension will allow more tales to be collected.

As for one of your specific points, I doubt Savage will be much or anything beyond what's already been released by Rebellion in paperback.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Rara Avis 23 September, 2017, 08:51:38 PM
Thanks to everyone who replied to my post, I am certainly relieved to hear this feedback. I'm not on facebook so I won't have that option but in the (unlikely) event of an error I won't have to worry needlessly.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Jade Falcon 23 September, 2017, 08:54:59 PM
I'm surprised that there seems to be none of the future sports like Harlem Heroes/Inferno or Mean Streets.

Future sport has always been the least popular strip category in 2000AD since forever.

I must admit that I did like Harlem Heroes, which I had initially got in the Extreme Edition.  I was eager to read Inferno, even though some of the national stereotypes in Heroes were a bit....over the top.

Inferno just didn't seem as good a read, and I remember Mean Streets, but if it wasn't reprinted I wouldn't be bothered as I wasn't a fan (no pun intended) at the time.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Magnetica 23 September, 2017, 10:33:47 PM
I also assume it won't have the spin off Savage story (Disaster was it?) where he drove around flooded Britain in a DUKW.

It’s called Disaster 1990. It was reprinted in a floppy a couple of years ago. Not that that precludes it from appearing in the Ultimate Collection. There is something else that might though - which is it wasn’t very good. (IMO).

: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: moly 24 September, 2017, 09:45:06 AM
Got payment collected for issue 4 last week but no books yet, could this be due to them delaying issue two for a week, also anyone got any idea on what the hatchett break even point is as the 2000adcollection has a hell of a lot of less likes and followers then judge dredd
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: JaHawkDroid 24 September, 2017, 04:05:37 PM
Got payment collected for issue 4 last week but no books yet, could this be due to them delaying issue two for a week, also anyone got any idea on what the hatchett break even point is as the 2000adcollection has a hell of a lot of less likes and followers then judge dredd

I have no idea of the breakeven point, however I can't see them cancelling the collection now it's begun
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 24 September, 2017, 06:27:18 PM
Viability is all that matters. It's unlikely they'd have kicked off this collection if it wasn't viable, off of the basis of the test run sales.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Swerty 24 September, 2017, 07:53:25 PM
I also assume it won't have the spin off Savage story (Disaster was it?) where he drove around flooded Britain in a DUKW.

It’s called Disaster 1990. It was reprinted in a floppy a couple of years ago. Not that that precludes it from appearing in the Ultimate Collection. There is something else that might though - which is it wasn’t very good. (IMO).

I love Disaster 1990!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 24 September, 2017, 08:06:16 PM
If Nikolai Dante will be Vol 1-9, isn't it a bit odd that the Kreeler Conspiracy will be Vol 11? Doesnt that mean that Stront won't be in chronological order on the Shelf? Maybe I'm just confused about Stront's convoluted running order.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 24 September, 2017, 08:27:12 PM
Is Dante confirmed to be 1–9? I've not seen that anywhere, just that there will be vols 1–9 for that series.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 24 September, 2017, 09:02:48 PM
Ah I assumed that's how they'd play it. Perhaps not.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 24 September, 2017, 09:24:45 PM
Is Dante confirmed to be 1–9? I've not seen that anywhere, just that there will be vols 1–9 for that series.
When the FB Page first confirmed Dante they listed the book’s issue and volume numbers which I too took to be vols 1-9 on the shelf, but in hindsight that may be completely wrong and will also solve an issue I had with the stronts volumes bumping into Nemesis in running order. Thanks for bringing this up!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Jamie1000013 24 September, 2017, 10:10:13 PM
I'm gunna have to wait a while till 18 books in a row are good, as I really really want that sketch book in good condition. Is this the same sketch book as the free item you get on the 9th delivery:

https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/merchandise/XB521

Looks like it tbh. Can you start your subscription from any book at any time? If I wait like 9 months can I start it from issue 3 for instance? I just want a clear run without a Nikolai Dante or Slaine volume. I want to read some Rogue trooper after that awesome 10 page story in prog 2050 this week.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 24 September, 2017, 10:32:16 PM
"I just want a clear run without a Nikolai Dante or Slaine volume."

Given that we only know the first eight issues so far, and given that one fifth of the entire collection is Slain and Dante, it's hard to know where you'd get a clear run without those two characters.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Steve Green 24 September, 2017, 10:44:40 PM
If Nikolai Dante will be Vol 1-9, isn't it a bit odd that the Kreeler Conspiracy will be Vol 11? Doesnt that mean that Stront won't be in chronological order on the Shelf? Maybe I'm just confused about Stront's convoluted running order.

Kreeler Conspiracy is an odd one. It's it's own thing.

Plus publishing order doesn't equal continuity - you've got all the flashback tales published after the Final Solution which fit in before and after Johnny meets Wulf.

Do you put them in publication order, or arrange the lost tales so they fit in some sort of continuity?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: seanharry 25 September, 2017, 06:17:42 PM
Looking at the planned strips to be reprinted in the 2000ad collection, I'm a bit disappointed.

I mean, I appreciate that it's the cream of the crop, but the entire run seems to be made up of stories that are already easily available in collected format, and that I already have, sometimes multiple volumes due to them being printed by Titan and Rebellion in graphic novel collections.

The great thing about the Mega Collection is that a lot of Dredd World stories, particularly those that appeared in the Megazine, that had not seen reprint in a graphic novel collection, saw print in this series.

Now, I get that they are looking to get the most popular and iconic stories out there, but I already have three separate collections of Nemesis, three of ABC Warriors, three of Ro-Busters and two of Slaine, on my bookshelf.

It would have been nice to finally see collections of:-
Freaks
Night Zero
Bad City Blues
Firekind
Mean Arena
Silo
Rose O'Rion
Synnamon
Dash Descent
Big Dave
Finn
The Dead
Slaughterbowl
Tyranny Rex (perhaps coupled with Hap Hazzard?)
Heroes Of Harlem (Steve Dillon version)

And I know that they are crap, but their is some gorgeous artwork by the likes of Ron Smith, Will Simpson and Casanovas that goes uncollected because everybody hates the writing in the Rogue Trooper and Robo Hunter reboots.

And I'm leaving out the crap stuff like Junker, which I'd still like a collection of for John Ridgeways art.

I know some of these were reprinted as floppies in the Megazine, but I'd like them reprinted in a format that I can put on my bookshelf.

I personally feel that this is a real missed opportunity.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Jim_Campbell 25 September, 2017, 06:43:28 PM
And I'm leaving out the crap stuff like Junker…

…but including the Harlem Heroes reboot? Well, okaaaaay…
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: The Monarch 25 September, 2017, 07:11:29 PM
you know when i think of "ultimate" not a single one of that list you posted would be anywhere near it and thats an actual fan of tyranny rex saying that

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: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: seanharry 25 September, 2017, 07:26:16 PM
And I'm leaving out the crap stuff like Junker…

…but including the Harlem Heroes reboot? Well, okaaaaay…

Artwork by Steve Dillon.

Don't care about the script. If it's art by Steve Dillon then I want a collection over it just to enjoy his genius.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: TordelBack 25 September, 2017, 08:02:33 PM
If it's art by Steve Dillon then I want a collection over it just to enjoy his genius.

See, this sounds like a sensible idea in theory.  But all I can ever think when I look at lovely art like Dillon on HH, Ridgeway on Junker, Ron Smith on Rogue Trooper/Chronos Carnival, Ezquerra on Inferno, John Higgins on Greysuit etc etc is WHAT A BLOODY WASTE.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 25 September, 2017, 08:24:55 PM
It would have been nice to finally see collections of:-
I do think they've perhaps missed a trick by not offering a few more strips outside of the heavy hitters, and the lack of John Smith content is a real blow. No Indigo Prime? No Firekind? The problem, though, is this thing needs to be viable. Dash Decent isn't going to do that. Mean Arena and Synnamon? Nope. (And if Tyranny Rex is going to be in the mix, surely that should just be woven into Indigo Prime.)

But the 'art alone' side of things doesn't cut it for me. The Dredd collection suffers in a few books in that manner. Some of the art is fine but the strips are crap. They're no fun to read, and if they're no fun to read (or not even interesting), what is the point? Harlem Heroes is a case in point. I dreaded its appearance in the recent floppies, and the idea of paying 10 quid for a hardback fills me with horror. Sure, some of the art is fine, but if I want some pretty pictures I'll buy a poster.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: A.Cow 25 September, 2017, 11:41:59 PM
I mean, I appreciate that it's the cream of the crop, but the entire run seems to be made up of stories that are already easily available in collected format, and that I already have, sometimes multiple volumes due to them being printed by Titan and Rebellion in graphic novel collections.

It's inevitable that any "best of" collection will repeat a very high proportion of things which many people already have.  It's a form of preferential attachment (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preferential_attachment).  Hence why pop artists always add an "exclusive" track to greatest hits compilations, to force hardcore fans to buy it.

However, I'm not sure that hardbound deluxe editions of Captain Klep, Dash Decent and Bonjo From Beyond The Stars would get the subscribers salivating.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: The Monarch 26 September, 2017, 01:21:00 AM
it would certainly be the hardbackiest pamphlet around :lol:
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 26 September, 2017, 09:17:56 AM
Books three and four arrived with me this morning.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: jannerboyuk 26 September, 2017, 01:43:56 PM
Got 3 and 4 today, havent read the kreeler conspiracy before so thats all good, shakara i already have so meh. Both lovely editions so im fixed n getting the whole collection :)
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Jamie1000013 26 September, 2017, 07:52:08 PM
Got 3 and 4 today, havent read the kreeler conspiracy before so thats all good, shakara i already have so meh. Both lovely editions so im fixed n getting the whole collection :)

Is Shakara good? I was looking forward to reading it it looked quite fun. I think it is out tomorrow isn't it for all us non subs?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tjm86 26 September, 2017, 07:54:42 PM
Is arboreal defecation standard ursine practice?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Steve Green 26 September, 2017, 08:16:18 PM
Got 3 and 4 today, havent read the kreeler conspiracy before so thats all good, shakara i already have so meh. Both lovely editions so im fixed n getting the whole collection :)

Is Shakara good? I was looking forward to reading it it looked quite fun. I think it is out tomorrow isn't it for all us non subs?

It starts off a bit early Nemesis - mysterious alien turns up in funky spaceship, causes mayhem and then vanishes with a battle-cry. Once the backstory is revealed it becomes more its own thing.

And of course Henry's art is amazing.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: TordelBack 26 September, 2017, 08:26:51 PM
Got 3 and 4 today, havent read the kreeler conspiracy before so thats all good, shakara i already have so meh. Both lovely editions so im fixed n getting the whole collection :)

Is Shakara good? I was looking forward to reading it it looked quite fun. I think it is out tomorrow isn't it for all us non subs?

It starts off a bit early Nemesis - mysterious alien turns up in funky spaceship, causes mayhem and then vanishes with a battle-cry. Once the backstory is revealed it becomes more its own thing.

And of course Henry's art is amazing.

Its treatment of humanity in its opening pages also makes it a contender for Best First Episode.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Colin YNWA 26 September, 2017, 09:32:05 PM
Is Shakara good? I was looking forward to reading it it looked quite fun. I think it is out tomorrow isn't it for all us non subs?

Yes.

Very.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Jade Falcon 26 September, 2017, 09:51:07 PM
Kreeler Conspiracy isn't one of the stories that was immediately after Portrait of a Mutant in the second Case Files style book was it?  I've got that book and wouldn't mind some new stuff.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Steve Green 26 September, 2017, 10:09:15 PM
No, it was published (I think) in the Bolland cover Christmas Prog around 2000

It's basically an extended repurposing of the treatment for the TV pilot that was talked about in the late 1990s.

It stands alone, more like a movie adaptation - Wulf's not in it, Johnny has a computer sidekick called Milton that never appears again, and Kreelman is president of Earth rather than a New Britain politician.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Steve Green 26 September, 2017, 10:12:18 PM
There is already a trade which covers the Kreeler conspiracy (and a few other stories) I think this covers similar ground to get the page count up.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 26 September, 2017, 10:26:38 PM
For the avoidance of doubt:

Kreeler Conspiracy
Blood Moon
The Heady Foot Job
six-page text feature, 'In detail'

: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Steve Green 26 September, 2017, 10:31:39 PM
For the avoidance of doubt:

Kreeler Conspiracy
Blood Moon
The Heady Foot Job
six-page text feature, 'In detail'

Hmm OK, they're already moving stuff around or skipping it then.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 26 September, 2017, 11:32:54 PM
Almost certainly moving around to hit page count limitations.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Klegg Bait 27 September, 2017, 03:39:14 AM
Really looking forward to the Dante volumes.  I've never read the stories, been interested for years but the graphic novels aren't always in print.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: sintec 27 September, 2017, 08:36:25 AM
Just picked up my parcel from the depot having had the red card of anticipation delivered yesterday. First impression; these look gorgeous.  Stront was one of the main reasons I subbed as a good friend has been telling me I should read it for years.  Might have to read that one first, although it's a tough call 'cause Shakara looks stunning.

Never got into 2000AD back in my teens (for me that would have been the early to mid 90s) so this series is a great opportunity to catch up on loads of classics I've missed.  So far it's been top quality. 
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Rately 27 September, 2017, 10:16:26 AM
Received the third and fourth volumes yesterday. Absolutely lovely stuff, and, like so many others, it gives me the opportunity to read lots of great stuff for the first time.

: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Jamie1000013 27 September, 2017, 04:18:23 PM
I might cave in and subscribe, I just bought Shakara and if it is really good I'll sub I think. Just annoying the Mega collection is still coming out. The biggest issue is not cost but space since I got the Marvel collection and got about 60 issues with that lol, and the Dredd one is filling up space.

I might only subscribe for 20 issues since I only really want the Sketch book you get on the 9th delivery. I will then probably pick and choose what I then get, probably get ones like Rogue Trooper, Strontium Dog, Nemesis, Sinister Dexter, and might try out the odd collections I've never read.

Will Button Man feature do you think? Hopefully there is no Zenith since I have them.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 27 September, 2017, 04:43:00 PM
Will Button Man feature do you think? Hopefully there is no Zenith since I have them.
Neither of those will be in the initial run.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: The Monarch 27 September, 2017, 05:13:39 PM
i doubt button man will be in at all its creator owned isn't it
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Mattofthespurs 27 September, 2017, 06:14:48 PM
I might cave in and subscribe, I just bought Shakara and if it is really good I'll sub I think. Just annoying the Mega collection is still coming out. The biggest issue is not cost but space since I got the Marvel collection and got about 60 issues with that lol, and the Dredd one is filling up space.


I feel your 'pain' I have the Marvel collection running at the moment, as well as the JD one, the 2000 AD one, The Doctor Who one, the DC graphic novel collection plus near the end of the build a millennium falcon and 30 issues into build an R2-D2.
Just throw out some furniture, sit on the floor, man up, and read.
Jeez, it aint hard  ;)
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Jamie1000013 27 September, 2017, 08:33:57 PM
I might cave in and subscribe, I just bought Shakara and if it is really good I'll sub I think. Just annoying the Mega collection is still coming out. The biggest issue is not cost but space since I got the Marvel collection and got about 60 issues with that lol, and the Dredd one is filling up space.


I feel your 'pain' I have the Marvel collection running at the moment, as well as the JD one, the 2000 AD one, The Doctor Who one, the DC graphic novel collection plus near the end of the build a millennium falcon and 30 issues into build an R2-D2.
Just throw out some furniture, sit on the floor, man up, and read.
Jeez, it aint hard  ;)

hahahahaha. I wanted to get the DC collection it actually has a lot of really good volumes tbh, You on like issue 160 on the Marvel collection now? lol.

Yeah I'm gunna sub today you have convinced me. Who needs a bed frame when I can just neatly stack my Hachette partworks to make a bed frame and put a mattress on top.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Mattofthespurs 28 September, 2017, 07:22:02 AM
The Marvel collection I joined when it restarted last year so I'm only on issue 47 or something.
The DC one is pretty neat.
Also getting the Star Trek graphic novel collection. On issue 20 of that.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Jim_Campbell 28 September, 2017, 08:07:50 AM
Just wanted to say that I re-read Halo Jones the other day for the first time in twenty-*coughcoughcough* years thanks to the handsome volume that this collection delivered. It's easily as good as I remembered. Brilliant stuff.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: TordelBack 28 September, 2017, 08:35:26 AM
Just annoying the Mega collection is still coming out.

Yup.  Yesterday I had to choose between Mutants in Mega-City 1 and Shakara Vol 1.  No squaxx should ever have to face such a dilemma, not since Eagle was cancelled at any rate.

(In fact I note with horror that this month's potential spend on House of Tharg weekly/fortnightly/monthly periodicals alone stands at about Eur€85 - that's not even vaguely doable).   
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: barnesy 28 September, 2017, 11:17:00 AM
Just received issues 3 and 4, fantastic looking volumes. Looking forward to getting into them after work.
I am wrapping up the Marvel official graphic novel collection at issue 151 (it's just going to go on and on, not too interested in any of the volumes other than Vision) and still collecting the DC collection as well as cherry picking the Mega Collection.
Like others have said - space is of a premium. The Marvel partworks are sitting on a ten foot long shelf, hope that this collection lasts as long.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Magnetica 28 September, 2017, 01:03:42 PM
I’m really torn.

After saying I wouldn’t buy the Horned God again, I did. Because it was only 2 quid.

Then I bought Halo Jones, because it’s a classic, I haven’t read it since it was published and it was only 6.99.

So starts the slippery slope. With the Dredd collection I found it easy to pick and choose. With this I suspect it will be much harder.

So I am resisting for now. And I need to finish off the half read and non yet started books I already have:

Nemesis. Done.
Zenith. Half way through phase 3
ABC Warriors Zolgan War. Need to read parts 3 and 4.
Flesh.
Dan Dare. Half way through vol 1.
Mega Collection: 3 Tour of Duty volumes, Shamballa.
Lawless.


Plus loads of IDW Dredd’s in the backlog, and now a load of Dogbreaths and Zarjazs too.

It’s not even the money, it’s the time and the space.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Bolt-01 28 September, 2017, 01:13:34 PM
Beware- TPO is a real danger- pace yourself and remember to eat & drink occasionally.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Rara Avis 28 September, 2017, 06:58:45 PM
My delivery arrived today. Both covers are looking beautiful.

I haven't read Shakara before and I don't even know what it's about.

Exciting times ...

Also according to my delivery I have changed genders ..  I wasn't expecting that to happen .. ever .. hopefully my new gentalia will arrive with my next delivery ...  :lol:
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: davidbishop 28 September, 2017, 07:16:09 PM
Beware- TPO is a real danger- pace yourself and remember to eat & drink occasionally.

Also beware of TPO the book - The Forty Years hardback edition is a deadly weapon in the wrong hands!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: The Monarch 28 September, 2017, 07:34:03 PM
no kidding i dropped it on my foot day i bought it....limped for days  :lol:

i was close to starting the dc volumes but sub exclusive books and 20 quid special editions soured me on that very fast.

has shakara appeared in shops yet my local still has halo
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tjm86 28 September, 2017, 08:20:30 PM
Smiths in Ponty had copies of Halo Jones and Shakara this afternoon.  Fairly prominently positioned to boot.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: jannerboyuk 28 September, 2017, 10:11:54 PM
Same in cardiff smiths
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: marko10174 29 September, 2017, 10:35:09 AM

 Anyone gone premium? I'm looking forward to getting the first figurine (Nemesis) and I think I've worked it out that it should come in January/February? then August/September for Death, March 2018 Halo, October Rogue, May 2019 Dante and finally December 2019 Dredd.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: bernardsfingers 29 September, 2017, 11:21:51 AM

 Anyone gone premium? I'm looking forward to getting the first figurine (Nemesis) and I think I've worked it out that it should come in January/February? then August/September for Death, March 2018 Halo, October Rogue, May 2019 Dante and finally December 2019 Dredd.
Maybe +1 year to the years you've mentioned.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Mattofthespurs 29 September, 2017, 12:32:02 PM

 Anyone gone premium? I'm looking forward to getting the first figurine (Nemesis) and I think I've worked it out that it should come in January/February? then August/September for Death, March 2018 Halo, October Rogue, May 2019 Dante and finally December 2019 Dredd.

I've gone premium.
Not bothered when they arrive to be honest. But I'm like that. I don't even want to know what is coming in which issues.
Prefer to be surprised.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: seanyc123 02 October, 2017, 12:10:16 PM
Just seen the latest ABC of 2000ad video, now I'm stuck with the quandary of just buying the £10.99 paperback of Shako from amazon or waiting to see if it winds up in the 2000ad mega collection. Woe is me, I own so much 2000ad already that I'm bound to get 20+ repeats already.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 02 October, 2017, 01:14:08 PM
There's also the Extreme Edition version, for three quid: https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/DD18
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 02 October, 2017, 01:49:24 PM
There's also the Extreme Edition version, for three quid: https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/DD18
Which also has more pages too, though not more Shako.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Eotris 06 October, 2017, 11:59:48 AM
I have just finished reading Shakara (The Avenger) in issue 3, and it is my first experience of the character. I am a bit confused on the ending - it looks like there is an appearance of Cinnibar Brenneka (the 'blue' Shakara), but it seems very disjointed. Do I need to follow up by reading 'Shakara: The Destroyer' to understand it in the correct context?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Jade Falcon 06 October, 2017, 08:01:52 PM
I must admit to also feeling confused by the ending.  I get the fact that Shakara itself seemed to be gaining almost its own sentience which was unintended by its creators,

Okay, I'm going to sum up the first three volumes briefly.

Slaine, I only remember the early days in 2000ad and I wasn't a huge fan.  This one seems a bit better and I think I'll be able to follow it okay.  Semi enjoyable, perhaps moreso on a second read like some other books.

Halo Jones.  The first 'chapter' on the Hoop wasn't that great.  Some of the Hoop slang got a bit irritating at times and was overused.  One Halo left Earth it improved in my mind.  Good read overall though I can see where it is a sudden ending.

Shakara.....well this was a strange one.  Did I see a Dune reference at the slavers market where the ISS commander met his unfortunate fate?  Chaotic artwork that suits the setting.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Dark Jimbo 06 October, 2017, 08:07:02 PM
I have just finished reading Shakara (The Avenger) in issue 3, and it is my first experience of the character. I am a bit confused on the ending - it looks like there is an appearance of Cinnibar Brenneka (the 'blue' Shakara), but it seems very disjointed. Do I need to follow up by reading 'Shakara: The Destroyer' to understand it in the correct context?

Suffice to say, all will become clear in volume II...  ;)
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Woolly 06 October, 2017, 09:13:40 PM
I have just finished reading Shakara (The Avenger) in issue 3, and it is my first experience of the character. I am a bit confused on the ending - it looks like there is an appearance of Cinnibar Brenneka (the 'blue' Shakara), but it seems very disjointed. Do I need to follow up by reading 'Shakara: The Destroyer' to understand it in the correct context?

Suffice to say, all will become clear in volume II...  ;)

S'right.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Rara Avis 06 October, 2017, 09:23:52 PM
Oh there's more? I thought it ended there .. this is marvelous news.

First time reading it and I loved it.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: sintec 07 October, 2017, 10:43:28 AM
Does anyone know how long we're going to have to wait for that concluding volume of Shakara?

Presumably it will be volume 58 but what issue will it be?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Jamie1000013 07 October, 2017, 11:52:34 AM
IT's annoying that the Shakara volume I got has like 8 blurry pages where the art and speech bubbles are too blurry to see. I had it in like 1 or 2 pages in the Mega collection out of 60 books but to have it like 8 pages in one book is weird. Might have to buy it again since the art is stunning, anyone else have this problem? I don't want to buy it again and have the same problem. I bought it from a news agents so don't really want a refund.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 07 October, 2017, 01:11:33 PM
Contact the publisher on Facebook. They may send a replacement.

EDIT: I should probably note that Hachette are not legally required to replace under these circumstances, because your contract was with the place you purchased the book from. You should get a replacement/refund there, assuming you retained proof of purchase. However, Hachette may nonetheless as a gesture of goodwill replace your book – you never know. And I just flicked through my copy and didn't find any problems. The only one where things were really bad for me was Total War, for which I got a replacement that sadly looked like someone had used as a football.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Skullmo 08 October, 2017, 12:00:47 PM
IT's annoying that the Shakara volume I got has like 8 blurry pages where the art and speech bubbles are too blurry to see. I had it in like 1 or 2 pages in the Mega collection out of 60 books but to have it like 8 pages in one book is weird. Might have to buy it again since the art is stunning, anyone else have this problem? I don't want to buy it again and have the same problem. I bought it from a news agents so don't really want a refund.

Oh not thise again - I had that blurring with a couple of dredd collection books - I had them replaced 4 times but always got blurry copies. It was such a pain to keep sending the books back that I just gave up and put them in the bin.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 08 October, 2017, 03:30:25 PM
Does anyone know how long we're going to have to wait for that concluding volume of Shakara?

Presumably it will be volume 58 but what issue will it be?

We don't know what issue I'm afraid. And recent discussions have cast doubts on whether they'll be consecutive volumes either - see the early volume number of The Kreeler Conspiracy.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: sintec 08 October, 2017, 06:29:46 PM
It's going to be really annoying if consecutive stories aren't in consecutive volumes.  Especially given that the spines don't really give any indication of what's in them.  Was the Dredd collection like that?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tjm86 08 October, 2017, 06:47:14 PM
The Dredd collection has been fairly sensible in its grouping of stories over multiple volumes.  All of the Anderson, Waugh and Armitage stories are grouped together.  The same is true of the thematic volumes.  It makes it a little easier to navigate the collection.  If the tooth collection has abandoned this and just gone for completely random order ... :o
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: sintec 08 October, 2017, 07:45:45 PM
Guess we'll have to wait and see.  What volume numbers do we already know?

1  - Nikolai Dante: vol 1
11 - Stront: Keeler Conspiracy
19 - Nemesis: vol 1
23 - Abc Warriors: vol 1
32 - Slaine: Horned God
46 - Halo Jones
52 - Bad Company: vol 1
57 - Shakara

(most of the above taken from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_AD_The_Ultimate_Collection)

If we add in what we know about the numbers of volumes scheduled for each of the above then we'd get:

1-9 Nikolai Dante
10-18 Stont (although only 9 vols and why is Kreeler the 2nd one of them?)
19-22 Nemesis
23-28 ABC warriors
32-45 Slaine (this could just as easily be 29-42 I guess, is 3 books enough for pre Horned God continuity?)
46 Halo Jones
52-53 Bad Company
57-58 Shakara

I do see the issue with Kreeler.  With Nikolai Dante as Vols 1-9 and Nemesis starting at vol 19 that doesn't leave enough space for 10 volumes of Stront and Kreeler being near the start of that run also doesn't make much sense.  Maybe the Stront stuff will be split into 2 sections, the initial run and then stuff that from after Alpha's death?

Note this is all pure speculation on my part as I'm no expert, this series will be my first major foray into the 2000AD world beyond a few Dredds.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 08 October, 2017, 08:22:03 PM
Where is the link that states ND is vol 1 of the collection? I’ve seen the publisher state it’ll have nine volumes but that’s all.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: sintec 09 October, 2017, 12:08:07 AM
All info taken from wikipedia - it looked like it was referenced.  Although following that through the ref doesn't actually seem to link to anything which directly provides that info, so it could be inaccurate.  Guess we'll find out in December assuming the info about the first issue of Nikolai being issue 8 is correct.

If Dante isn't vols 1-9 of the series then that leaves plenty of room for the complete Stront with Kreeler fitting into a sane position in the run at Vol 11.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 09 October, 2017, 10:03:55 AM
All info taken from wikipedia - it looked like it was referenced.  Although following that through the ref doesn't actually seem to link to anything which directly provides that info, so it could be inaccurate.  Guess we'll find out in December assuming the info about the first issue of Nikolai being issue 8 is correct.

If Dante isn't vols 1-9 of the series then that leaves plenty of room for the complete Stront with Kreeler fitting into a sane position in the run at Vol 11.

I'll put my hand up as creator of the wiki page (and contributor to other Hachette pages too). It wasn't until someone mentioned it a week or so back that it occurred to me that the FB mods post may have simply meant vol 1 of Dante rather than vol 1 & issue 8 of the collection.

Since this is causing some disagreement I've removed the volume listing from the wiki and asked the FB mods if they'll clarify. Just depends what kind of mood they're in today!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 09 October, 2017, 10:08:48 AM
well, that didn't take long:
Kingdom Vol 1 will be Volume 60, Strontium Dog Vol 1 will be Volume 4 and Nikolai Dante Vol 1 will be Volume 72.

Hope this helps!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: sintec 09 October, 2017, 10:15:54 AM
Ah ha - now that makes more sense.  Adding that to the existing info gives us:

4 -13 Stront
19-22 Nemesis
23-28 ABC warriors
32-44 Slaine (this could just as easily be 29-41 I guess, is 3 books enough for pre Horned God continuity?)
46 Halo Jones
52-53 Bad Company
57-58 Shakara
60-61 Kingdom
72-80 Nikolai Dante
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 09 October, 2017, 10:22:04 AM
Ah that does make more sense.

What's the bet on Dredd being vol 1-3?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 09 October, 2017, 10:22:38 AM
Ah that does make more sense.

What's the bet on Dredd being vol 1-3?
pretty much guaranteed, and I'd say Rogue filling in 14-18.

is 3 books enough for pre Horned God continuity?)

Rebellion's Warrior's Dawn clocks in at just over 200 according to amazon, then Time Killer at 176 and The King just over 250 so yeah, three books for that chunk it seems!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 09 October, 2017, 11:03:46 AM

I'll put my hand up as creator of the wiki page (and contributor to other Hachette pages too). It wasn't until someone mentioned it a week or so back that it occurred to me that the FB mods post may have simply meant vol 1 of Dante rather than vol 1 & issue 8 of the collection.

Since this is causing some disagreement I've removed the volume listing from the wiki and asked the FB mods if they'll clarify. Just depends what kind of mood they're in today!

You've done a sterling job.

Might want to specify Kingdom Vol 2 in the unconfirmed list, and add Shakara Vol 2 as well?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 09 October, 2017, 11:31:24 AM
Might want to specify Kingdom Vol 2 in the unconfirmed list, and add Shakara Vol 2 as well?
Good spot, have made that change. Anyone is welcome to contribute themselves of course.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Goronwy 09 October, 2017, 11:55:58 AM
Hey, I'm a relative 2000AD novice whose interest has recently been piqued.

Can anyone answer me a question about volume 2 of the Ultimate Collection..?

Does it contain the entire run of Halo Jones? I'm aware there was a single volume printed a few years back (now out of print on the 2000AD website, and only available as a digital edition) which apparently contained Books 1-3 and the prologues for Books 2 & 3. I'm assuming that is all that was ever made, before Alan Moore abandoned the project, and is therefore "complete."

My initial assumption was that the Ultimate Collection vol.2 would only have contained part of Halo Jones, but comparing the spine width to my copy of The Complete Skizz which I recently bought and enjoyed (which contains all 3 runs of Skizz from the 80s/90s) I see they're more or less the same width.

Just strikes me as odd that they wouldn't write "The Complete Halo Jones" on the front, to reassure the less informed potential buyers like me.

I haven't bought the Ultimate Collection vol.2 you understand. Just saw it in the shop this weekend. But I will pop back and get it if it is indeed the whole shebang...
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: sintec 09 October, 2017, 11:57:58 AM
It contains all 3 books of Halo which is as complete as the story is ever going to be I believe
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: glassstanley 09 October, 2017, 12:10:48 PM
Though she does appear on the Moore/Gibson page of the Prog 500 celebration strip...
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Goronwy 09 October, 2017, 12:12:26 PM
Cool, thanks sintec!

Also thanks glassstanley for the true completist's answer!  :)

People have mentioned Halo Jones to me for years, and seeing it for £6.99 in a nice hardback seemed very appealing, even if it does have a partwork spine! I think I'll pick it up this afternoon...
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Dark Jimbo 09 October, 2017, 12:36:10 PM
Also thanks glassstanley for the true completist's answer!  :)

Bah! The true completist would also have mentioned her flirting with Nikolai Dante in prog 1280!  ;)
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 09 October, 2017, 01:23:13 PM
People have mentioned Halo Jones to me for years, and seeing it for £6.99 in a nice hardback seemed very appealing, even if it does have a partwork spine! I think I'll pick it up this afternoon...
It's a good strip, and a bargain in that format, for that price.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: TordelBack 09 October, 2017, 02:29:12 PM
Also thanks glassstanley for the true completist's answer!  :)

Bah! The true completist would also have mentioned her flirting with Nikolai Dante in prog 1280!  ;)

Hopefully he checked his spigot afterwards...
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: marko10174 09 October, 2017, 04:46:50 PM

 Does anyone know what the next issue is? I know Nemesis i one, what's the other? thanks.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 09 October, 2017, 05:03:09 PM
Kingdom Vol. 1.

Here you go pal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_AD_The_Ultimate_Collection
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: sintec 09 October, 2017, 08:25:42 PM
Just read the intro on the Kingdom wikipedia page, gonna resist the urge to spoiler it by continuing.  But how can anyone not want to read a series after reading this:

"The story revolves around a humanoid genetically modified dog named after Gene Hackman, in the distant future. Earth has been overrun by giant insects, known simply as "Them." Most of the human race has been wiped out, and the few thousand survivors are waiting in suspended animation until the world is habitable again. The world is patrolled by dog soldiers called "auxes," such as Gene, who fight them on humanity's behalf."
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Dark Jimbo 09 October, 2017, 08:59:13 PM
From the first page he appeared in, Gene the Hackman was instantly one of the great 2000 AD heroes. Distinctive look, great speech patterns, hard as nails but a really earnest and adorable persona. You'll love Kingdom!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: TordelBack 09 October, 2017, 09:37:34 PM
And it's even better than it sounds!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tjm86 10 October, 2017, 06:32:08 AM
This is a perfect example of what happens when you get the right artist too.  Elson is perfect for it.  He captured that 50's B-movie feel, created an utterly believable world populated by giant mutant insects and bizarre genetic hybrids then has continued to develop the quality of the visuals over the course of the strip.  For obvious reasons his artwork now graces my nascent original art collection.  The strip deserves its position in the tooth hall of fame.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Swerty 10 October, 2017, 10:52:28 AM
Ah that does make more sense.

What's the bet on Dredd being vol 1-3?
pretty much guaranteed, and I'd say Rogue filling in 14-18

From the spine image I'd say Robo-hunter.Rogue's further up between Durham Red and Bill Savage.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 10 October, 2017, 11:30:16 AM
From the spine image I'd say Robo-hunter.Rogue's further up between Durham Red and Bill Savage.
You're not wrong, but there's a five book gap between SD & Nemesis which is the length of the Rogue section. Robo-Hunter only three. Plus if you're thinking like that, Nemesis should be standing to the left of the ABC Warriors.

Who knows though. Wondering if Robo-Hunter is next to Halo Jones for the Ian Gibson connection.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: geronimo 10 October, 2017, 11:46:11 AM
If we are going by the spines, then shouldn't we be losing the bottom half of the lowest panels on each page!!! :D
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 10 October, 2017, 12:22:13 PM
We've now learned that Nikolai Dante makes up the final volumes, but he's in the first 1/3rd of the Spine Art. Slaine is in the middle of the collection but towards the end of the spine art. Might not be that useful a guide.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: The Monarch 10 October, 2017, 03:11:20 PM
use the spine as an signpost of whata in it not where they are :lol:
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Dark Jimbo 10 October, 2017, 03:26:24 PM
When you've got 13 books of Slaine, 10 of Stront, 9 of Dante etc, it's a bit of a tall order to expect the characters on the spine to match the content of the books...!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) 11 October, 2017, 02:58:26 PM
Just picked up Vol 4, The Kreeler Conspiracy, and am sat reading it while waiting for my GP appointment (which is by Skype, annoyingly. I hate living in a Tory future).
Sometimes, collected editions don't live up to the weekly prog experience (The Apocalypse War, ferinstance, is never as good as it was in the prog, where the wait between weeks was horrible), and others read so much better. This is the latter here, as it's absolutely stonking. When this ran in the prog, I disliked it immensely- and it started a phase of me skipping Stront- which I never imagined I'd ever do, having been a fan since Star Lord #1, when Ezquerra's art scared the absolute shit out of me.
Reading it now, I'm totally in love. I'm only 60 or so pages in, but already it's the best tenner I've spent this week.
SBT
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 11 October, 2017, 04:10:31 PM
Just picked up Vol 4, The Kreeler Conspiracy, and am sat reading it while waiting for my GP appointment (which is by Skype, annoyingly. I hate living in a Tory future).
Sometimes, collected editions don't live up to the weekly prog experience (The Apocalypse War, ferinstance, is never as good as it was in the prog, where the wait between weeks was horrible), and others read so much better. This is the latter here, as it's absolutely stonking. When this ran in the prog, I disliked it immensely- and it started a phase of me skipping Stront- which I never imagined I'd ever do, having been a fan since Star Lord #1, when Ezquerra's art scared the absolute shit out of me.
Reading it now, I'm totally in love. I'm only 60 or so pages in, but already it's the best tenner I've spent this week.
SBT

Exciting. Having read no Stront before (except or a few in recent progs) the completist in me is tempted to not read it until I've read the earlier volumes in the collection - I've acquired the Starlord stuff to read first.

I don't think we're getting any Ro-Busters in the collection, and I'm considering whether to acquire the two trades before the first ABC warriors issue comes out - is this wise from a continuity perspective?

: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Dark Jimbo 11 October, 2017, 04:17:55 PM
I don't think we're getting any Ro-Busters in the collection, and I'm considering whether to acquire the two trades before the first ABC warriors issue comes out - is this wise from a continuity perspective?

Not 'necessary' as such, but the characters are gradually re-introduced during later series (both ABC and Nemesis the Warlock) with the assumption that you're familiar with them via Ro-Busters. You might get a bit more out of it if you have read Ro-Busters already.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) 11 October, 2017, 04:21:23 PM
From the perspective of continuity, yeah why not. Sometimes it's easy to forget that some readers haven't been fed this stuff week on week since they were seven years old. Coming to 2000AD for the first time as an adult could be daunting, in the sense that it may seem "important" to have to "catch up". Personally, I have faith that most of the longest running stories, ABCs included, stand well-enough on their own to be picked up with any given story. Or at least, in the case of the ABCs, as individual stories when the artist changes. I'm not sure the more recent Clint Langley books could be just as easily dipped into, as Pat seems to be in the process of tying everything together now.
Ro-Busters and the ABC Warriors are a brilliant, clever, funny and mesmerising couple of strips that tell a long and rhythmic saga over decades. But I don't think you lose everything by starting at later points.
SBT
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 11 October, 2017, 04:27:10 PM
Thanks both. That seems to give me an excuse to indulgently purchase Ro-Busters while also not delaying gratification and reading Kreeler now...
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 11 October, 2017, 04:28:13 PM
Exciting. Having read no Stront before (except or a few in recent progs) the completist in me is tempted to not read it until I've read the earlier volumes in the collection - I've acquired the Starlord stuff to read first.
At this point, you’d be fine. Kreeler Conspiracy was a soft-reboot that was subsequently broadly forgotten as Wagner dovetailed the 'new' and 'old' Stront effectively into one continuity. I don't think there's anything in there that would spoil enjoyment of earlier volumes. (Please correct me if I'm wrong!)

I don't think we're getting any Ro-Busters in the collection, and I'm considering whether to acquire the two trades before the first ABC warriors issue comes out - is this wise from a continuity perspective?
Ro-Busters is fun if inessential. The hardbacks are very nice collections, though.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 11 October, 2017, 04:35:22 PM
Forgive my ignorance, but roughly what percentage of ABC Warriors will fit into 6 Volumes? Not all of it I guess?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 11 October, 2017, 04:42:37 PM
Impossible to say for sure, but with some very minor shifting of content, you could run each of the Men Files as a Hachette volume (you'd have to lose about 40 pages of extras). Then the reboot hardbacks could be paired to make ~200pp volumes. So you'd have Volgan War 1+2, 3+4, Return to Earth/Mars. That omits Deadlock, probably some other ‘extras’, and Return to Ro-Busters.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Dark Jimbo 11 October, 2017, 04:49:20 PM
Impossible to say for sure, but with some very minor shifting of content, you could run each of the Men Files as a Hachette volume (you'd have to lose about 40 pages of extras). Then the reboot hardbacks could be paired to make ~200pp volumes. So you'd have Volgan War 1+2, 3+4, Return to Earth/Mars. That omits Deadlock, probably some other ‘extras’, and Return to Ro-Busters.

Well hopefully Deadlock will turn up in Nemesis #4, instead, where it will fit much better thematically. Personally I'd rather have Meknificent Seven in #1 (bulked up with a few extras); Black Hole in #2 (same); the Kev Walker stuff in #3; the Henry Flint stuff in #4; then Volgan War in #5 and #6. That's a much better place to end than halfway through the flashback 'Return...' stories.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: The Monarch 11 October, 2017, 04:51:51 PM
i think deadlock will be in nemesis book 4 thats why theres 4 books

so yeah in agreement on that

maybe post volgan would be left out for a possible extension down the line?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 11 October, 2017, 07:40:12 PM
Could be, although the page count of the three phone book Nemesis volumes is 928. Average those across four books and that's 232, which is in the 200–250 range. Deadlock would bump that over 980, which is right at the very edge of what's feasible, according to Matt Smith in the podcasts.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Dark Jimbo 11 October, 2017, 08:18:45 PM
Could be, although the page count of the three phone book Nemesis volumes is 928. Average those across four books and that's 232, which is in the 200–250 range. Deadlock would bump that over 980, which is right at the very edge of what's feasible, according to Matt Smith in the podcasts.

The announced contents of Vol 1 come to 218 strip pages - title pages and the like will soon bump that up to 250ish. Books 4,5 and 6 (plus Ego Trip) is 222 strip pages - so there's Vol 2. Torque the God, Books 7, 8 and 9, plus both Diceman issues is 228 strip pages. And yet a speculative Vol 4 including everything else up to Book 10, plus the two Nemesis/Deadlock Enigmass stories, plus the Deadlock solo, is a svelte 203 pages by comparison.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 12 October, 2017, 02:16:52 PM
Could be, although the page count of the three phone book Nemesis volumes is 928. Average those across four books and that's 232, which is in the 200–250 range. Deadlock would bump that over 980, which is right at the very edge of what's feasible, according to Matt Smith in the podcasts.

The announced contents of Vol 1 come to 218 strip pages - title pages and the like will soon bump that up to 250ish. Books 4,5 and 6 (plus Ego Trip) is 222 strip pages - so there's Vol 2. Torque the God, Books 7, 8 and 9, plus both Diceman issues is 228 strip pages. And yet a speculative Vol 4 including everything else up to Book 10, plus the two Nemesis/Deadlock Enigmass stories, plus the Deadlock solo, is a svelte 203 pages by comparison.

Ah is that everything then? Apologies but I don't know the source material or its trade publishing history.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 12 October, 2017, 02:57:18 PM
Dark Jimbo: I suppose it also depends on things like how many pages are 'blanks' to cater for five-page episodes. How complete is this?

Terror Tube 6
Killer Watt 7
The Sword Sinister 6
1: World of Termight 71
2: Alien Alliance 51
3: World of Nemesis 71
Secret Life of the Blitzspear 6
4: Gothic Empire 94
A Day in the Death of Torquemada: 6
Ego Trip 6
5: Vengeance of Thoth 63
The Torture Tube (Diceman) 19
6: Torquemurder 34 + 25
Forbidden Planet 5
Torquemada the God 25
Bedtime Story 6
7: Two Torquemadas 61
8: Purity's Story 45
9: Deathbringer 61
N&D: Warlocks and Wizards 6
N&D: Enigmass Variations 42
Bride of the Warlock 16
Shape of things to come 6
The Tomb of Torquemada 6
Hammer of the Warlocks 18
Book X: 60
Deadlock: 55
Tubular Hells 6

TOTAL: 883 (a couple being guesses on page count)

Whatever happens, I hope they put Bride of the Warlock in sequence this time, rather than shoving it at the end.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Dark Jimbo 12 October, 2017, 04:43:02 PM
Ah, yeah! I forgot Tomb of Torque and Tubular Hells - also Torque's Second Honeymoon, which would just be lovely to have reproduced in colour this time.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Jade Falcon 12 October, 2017, 06:25:52 PM
Any idea how much Savage we'll be getting? I have the three trades which still seems to be a cliffhanger.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 13 October, 2017, 10:24:41 AM
Nice cover to the first Kingdom volume (https://hachettepartworks.com/2000-ad-the-ultimate-collection/kingdom)

On a post-apocalyptic Earth, mankind has all but been annihilated by 'Them' – giant insectoid creatures that have spread across the globe. The few human survivors have been escaped to orbital stations or into suspended animation, waiting for a time when it’s safe to reclaim the planet. Battling Them on man’s behalf are genetically engineered ‘dog soldiers’ like Gene the Hackman, directed by his Masters to keep the enemy off his lawn...

(https://hachettepartworks.com/Content/Products/8fad844e-6acc-47a2-af58-818b5077e2b9.jpg)

: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: TordelBack 13 October, 2017, 10:47:18 AM
Oh that looks scrumptious indeed.

Bought my first UC volume yesterday, the Strontium Dog one - a fantastic thing altogether.  I barely managed to resist Shakara due to financial constraints, but not owning any of the post-'Final Solution' Alpha flashbacks in collected form, there was no getting away from this one.  These stories have aged remarkably well, especially 'The Kreeler Conspiracy', which seems much less dissonant than it originally did. If 'Traitor to His Kind' etc show up in a subsequent volume I'll be having that one too.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Dark Jimbo 13 October, 2017, 12:49:19 PM
  These stories have aged remarkably well, especially 'The Kreeler Conspiracy', which seems much less dissonant than it originally did. If 'Traitor to His Kind' etc show up in a subsequent volume I'll be having that one too.

Yes, another book of flashback tales headed by 'Traitor to his Kind' has been confirmed.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 14 October, 2017, 01:51:53 PM
Shakara is superb - what a wonderful thing it is. The bonkers aliens, the bravery of the opening pages, and the utterly gorgeous art. And possibly my favourite volume so far as a piece of design.

Just starting Kreeler. Not so sure about the choice of cover art on this one... the blown up panel is a bit grainy. But really top-game Esquerra on the inside.

Is it just me or could the editorial features at the start of these volumes have done with someone casting another eye over them before they went to print? Lots of proofing errors.


: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Woolly 14 October, 2017, 08:40:21 PM
Just want to add that both Shakara and Kreeler Conspiracy are absolute stunners from start to finish!
The choice of follow-on stories in Kreeler Conspiracy are inspired.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Southstreeter 20 October, 2017, 04:29:46 PM
Will Nemesis have colour spreads? Just measured up, and the new editions seem to be the same as the complete edition phone book size, give or take, so I’m sorely tempted to replace them with lovely hardbacks. Just a shame about the covers, as I’m not collecting the whole set so they’ll look a bit odd on the shelf.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Jade Falcon 20 October, 2017, 11:25:42 PM
So what's next, plus any idea how much Rogue Trooper we will get?  I have the older Rebellion paperbacks (Future of War, Fort Neuro, To the Ends of Nu Earth, Re-Gene, Eye of the Traitor and Realpolitik) as well as the 86ers.  Will we get material that does not appear in them?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: abelardsnazz 23 October, 2017, 08:38:09 AM
So what's next, plus any idea how much Rogue Trooper we will get?  I have the older Rebellion paperbacks (Future of War, Fort Neuro, To the Ends of Nu Earth, Re-Gene, Eye of the Traitor and Realpolitik) as well as the 86ers.  Will we get material that does not appear in them?

After Nemesis is the first volume of Kingdom, then the earliest Strontium Dog stories from the Prog followed by volume 1 of Nikolai Dante.

There's 5 volumes of Rogue, which is 1000 pages give or take, so my guess is these will include the original run, plus Cinnabar, The War Machine, and extra annual & special stories. I haven't read Realpolitik - would this need to include other stories from the run at that time?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 23 October, 2017, 10:46:19 AM
There's 5 volumes of Rogue, which is 1000 pages give or take, so my guess is these will include the original run, plus Cinnabar, The War Machine, and extra annual & special stories.
The first three phonebooks, which run from Rogue Trooper through to The Hit, adding a bunch of extras, clock in at ~1200 pages alone. So I suspect anything beyond just the original run will depend on how much the page count of those five volumes will be maxed out (250 per book is the limit, according to Matt Smith), and how much ‘editing’ is done.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 23 October, 2017, 11:01:34 AM
There's 5 volumes of Rogue, which is 1000 pages give or take, so my guess is these will include the original run, plus Cinnabar, The War Machine, and extra annual & special stories.
The first three phonebooks, which run from Rogue Trooper through to The Hit, adding a bunch of extras, clock in at ~1200 pages alone. So I suspect anything beyond just the original run will depend on how much the page count of those five volumes will be maxed out (250 per book is the limit, according to Matt Smith), and how much ‘editing’ is done.
Yes I suspect it will be the first three phonebooks only.

FB have just confirmed Rogue Trooper vol1 as issue 14 / vol 47, which is 21st Feb next year and after Halo Jones on your shelf. Guess the forum user who suggested Rogue would be mid-collection was right.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 23 October, 2017, 02:10:37 PM
There's 5 volumes of Rogue, which is 1000 pages give or take, so my guess is these will include the original run, plus Cinnabar, The War Machine, and extra annual & special stories.
The first three phonebooks, which run from Rogue Trooper through to The Hit, adding a bunch of extras, clock in at ~1200 pages alone. So I suspect anything beyond just the original run will depend on how much the page count of those five volumes will be maxed out (250 per book is the limit, according to Matt Smith), and how much ‘editing’ is done.

I was hoping for some Friday. Some of that stuff is great, and historically interesting too, what with it being Dave Gibbons' baby.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 23 October, 2017, 03:16:56 PM
I'd happily read War Machine again, in this collection. But the rest of it? Bleh. (Some of the John Smith stuff was admittedly quite good, but it appeared to exist in a very different and far more violent/bizarre universe.)
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: EDazzling 24 October, 2017, 08:51:29 AM
I canceled my subscription last week but £20 just disappeared from my account, what's people's experience of getting money back from Hachette?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Swerty 24 October, 2017, 11:48:12 AM
There's 5 volumes of Rogue, which is 1000 pages give or take, so my guess is these will include the original run, plus Cinnabar, The War Machine, and extra annual & special stories.
The first three phonebooks, which run from Rogue Trooper through to The Hit, adding a bunch of extras, clock in at ~1200 pages alone. So I suspect anything beyond just the original run will depend on how much the page count of those five volumes will be maxed out (250 per book is the limit, according to Matt Smith), and how much ‘editing’ is done.

I remember being blown away by some Henry Flint artwork on Rogue.Was this ever reprinted?
I was hoping for some Friday. Some of that stuff is great, and historically interesting too, what with it being Dave Gibbons' baby.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: abelardsnazz 24 October, 2017, 12:45:48 PM
There's 5 volumes of Rogue, which is 1000 pages give or take, so my guess is these will include the original run, plus Cinnabar, The War Machine, and extra annual & special stories.
The first three phonebooks, which run from Rogue Trooper through to The Hit, adding a bunch of extras, clock in at ~1200 pages alone. So I suspect anything beyond just the original run will depend on how much the page count of those five volumes will be maxed out (250 per book is the limit, according to Matt Smith), and how much ‘editing’ is done.
Yes I suspect it will be the first three phonebooks only.

FB have just confirmed Rogue Trooper vol1 as issue 14 / vol 47, which is 21st Feb next year and after Halo Jones on your shelf. Guess the forum user who suggested Rogue would be mid-collection was right.

I'd happily read War Machine again, in this collection. But the rest of it? Bleh. (Some of the John Smith stuff was admittedly quite good, but it appeared to exist in a very different and far more violent/bizarre universe.)

There may not be much more room beyond the original run then, if it's all included. However I'm happy to read lots of Smithian violent/bizarre stuff, Cinnabar included, in place of The Hit, which for me didn't add anything to Rogue, and I'm not sure the writers knew what to do with it after the interminable Hit One - "Oh, I just killed another double!" *sigh*
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: robert_ellis 25 October, 2017, 12:26:19 PM
Nemesis & Kingdom arrived today & look great. Nice to see the colour Nemesis covers reprinted even if they are shrunk down. Great to see the text pieces. Is that all the Nemsis material before Gothic Empire?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: BPP 25 October, 2017, 01:22:29 PM
Wallet only for direct debit subscribers? Eh?

Was that always the case?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Magnetica 25 October, 2017, 01:26:53 PM
Nemesis & Kingdom arrived today & look great. Nice to see the colour Nemesis covers reprinted even if they are shrunk down. Great to see the text pieces. Is that all the Nemsis material before Gothic Empire?

Does the Nemesis volume include book 3? And if so are the centre spreads in colour?

It’s make or break for a purchase for me.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 25 October, 2017, 01:35:13 PM
Wallet only for direct debit subscribers? Eh?

Was that always the case?

Waaaa?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Mattofthespurs 25 October, 2017, 01:38:07 PM
Wallet only for direct debit subscribers? Eh?

Was that always the case?

It's not.
I'm not a DD subber and one has been sent to me.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: TordelBack 25 October, 2017, 01:42:49 PM
It’s make or break for a purchase for me.

I hear ya. 
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: BPP 25 October, 2017, 01:45:15 PM
Wallet only for direct debit subscribers? Eh?

Was that always the case?

It's not.
I'm not a DD subber and one has been sent to me.

That’s cool, but it’s clearly stated on their site atm. I hadn’t noticed it before so maybe doesn’t apply for those in early

http://www.2000adcollection.com (http://www.2000adcollection.com)
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: robert_ellis 25 October, 2017, 01:58:52 PM
Nemesis does not have colour center spreads - all story art is b&w. It includes the Kevin O'Neill drawn book 3 and finishes with the sword sinister & secret life of blitzspear. The repro looks good to me. The next Nemesis book should be a Talbot extravaganza?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 25 October, 2017, 02:15:13 PM
That’s cool, but it’s clearly stated on their site atm. I hadn’t noticed it before so maybe doesn’t apply for those in early

http://www.2000adcollection.com (http://www.2000adcollection.com)
First I'd heard of that too - not got my mail yet today so will update as and when I know if I got one! Not a DD subber here either.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 25 October, 2017, 02:19:15 PM
Nemesis does not have colour center spreads - all story art is b&w. It includes the Kevin O'Neill drawn book 3 and finishes with the sword sinister & secret life of blitzspear. The repro looks good to me. The next Nemesis book should be a Talbot extravaganza?

I'm sure it hasn't always said that! Not that I want the wallet, but I'd be concerned if they change the rules for later gifts.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Magnetica 25 October, 2017, 02:37:47 PM
Nemesis does not have colour center spreads - all story art is b&w. It includes the Kevin O'Neill drawn book 3 and finishes with the sword sinister & secret life of blitzspear. The repro looks good to me. The next Nemesis book should be a Talbot extravaganza?

Ok thanks. So it sounds like it doesn’t add anything over what I already have in the Nemesis TPBs.

As they say on Dragons’ Den “I’m out”.

I have realised why I found it so hard to resist certain volumes of the Dredd Mega Collection but am finding it easier to resist this.

What the Dredd Collection did so well was collect together linked stories into a single narrative, which when published originally might have had weeks, months or even years in between the various parts, with other stories in between. The Case Files is obviously going to print those “in between” stories. So the Mega Collection really was /is the place to go for complete themed arcs.

For the other 2000AD stuff, the “in between” stories don’t exist and I suspect what it does publish will be pretty similar to the already existing TPBs / GNs. And consequently I feel less need to get them.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: TordelBack 25 October, 2017, 03:16:20 PM
Spot on analysis, Magnetica.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Southstreeter 25 October, 2017, 05:09:38 PM
I have the same Nemesis dilemma. I’ve got the phone books and they’re great, and I think they are the same page size as these new editions. Really it’s just about whether the quality is better enough to justify it.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Swerty 25 October, 2017, 07:39:12 PM
Some of the old GNs are out of print now and I certainly prefer these to the old Telephone books.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Dark Jimbo 25 October, 2017, 07:49:36 PM
As you say, the content tends to be much the same, so it comes down to physical differences really. Hard to resist those gorgeous matte-finish hardbacks; love the paper stock, too; and the colour title pages really help break up long runs of black-and-white strips. It's also a big plus that the average content of the Hachette volumes is three 'books' rather than the two that tends to be the standard for Rebellion's volumes.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 26 October, 2017, 12:02:02 PM
Subscription package is here, wallet included. Nemesis looks great in this format!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 26 October, 2017, 12:11:40 PM
Having just had a flick through, the repro is very good indeed in this Nemesis book. It’s very clearly way ahead of that original phonebook volume. I only hope the quality remains this high throughout (and that, as previously noted, they put that Winter Special tale in chronological order when they reach book three).

Kingdom is interesting in one respect: the page count means it's not directly cloning existing Rebellion fare. This book includes the first three series, which means all of 'The Promised Land', and half of 'Call of the Wild'. So I assume that the next volume would be the second bit of that book ('His Master's Voice') and all of Aux Drift.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 26 October, 2017, 01:02:43 PM
When can we expect to hear about Issues 9 & 10? It feels like ages since we learned about Issues 6-8, though my memory is dreadful.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Jim_Campbell 26 October, 2017, 01:56:46 PM
Having just had a flick through, the repro is very good indeed in this Nemesis book.

Mine literally just arrived and I've only had time to properly scrutinise a few random pages, but you're right. A handful of pages are a little heavy (but not disastrously or distractingly so) but the vast majority are excellent, particularly impressive given O'Neill's ultra-fine line and obsessive attention to background detail.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: TordelBack 26 October, 2017, 02:00:33 PM
A handful of pages are a little heavy (but not disastrously or distractingly so) but the vast majority are excellent, particularly impressive given O'Neill's ultra-fine line and obsessive attention to background detail.

Was this endorsement the price for getting a certain story under hard-covers, hmmmm?

Gruddamnit, though.  Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in. 
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 26 October, 2017, 02:15:04 PM
but the vast majority are excellent, particularly impressive given O'Neill's ultra-fine line and obsessive attention to background detail.
The fine details appear to have survived very nicely, as also have the letratone areas. Those often suffer in reprints, but are really strong here. It's a much stronger repro job than in the Halo Jones book (which still wasn't bad).

In other news, Mrs IP just burst into the office saw the 2000 AD wallet, wondered what it was and demanded she get to take the thing out of its little plastic sleeve. I'll get her reading these books yet! (She does read the odd comic, but is very much not keen on ‘endless’ tales. So even thought she's been buying me Saga, she's not read any of it herself as yet.)
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Jim_Campbell 26 October, 2017, 03:03:23 PM
Was this endorsement the price for getting a certain story under hard-covers, hmmmm?

Busted.

I may also have had a small hand* in another (as-yet-unannounced) Rebellion re-print volume that I think is going to look verrry nice indeed. :-)

* Insert Donald Trump joke of choice here.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 26 October, 2017, 03:08:40 PM
When can we expect to hear about Issues 9 & 10? It feels like ages since we learned about Issues 6-8, though my memory is dreadful.
Merry Christmas Arkady (courtesy of Forbidden Planet (https://forbiddenplanet.com/?tag=&q=2000ad+ultimate+collection&gtin=&size=20&sort=date-desc)):
The Ultimate Collection: Issue 8: Nikolai Dante: Volume 1
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The Ultimate Collection: Issue 9: Nemesis The Warlock: Volume 2
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The Ultimate Collection: Issue 10: Judge Dredd: Return Of The King
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Ultimate Collection: Issue 11: Robo Hunter: Volume 1
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Ultimate Collection: Issue 12: Nikolai Dante: Volume 2
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: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 26 October, 2017, 03:21:03 PM
That's all my Christmases at once! Are those mocked-up covers though?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 26 October, 2017, 03:21:27 PM
Woah someone's been quick on the Wikipedia article.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 26 October, 2017, 03:23:46 PM
That's all my Christmases at once! Are those mocked-up covers though?

Yeah, expect so for solicitations only. Same as was for Kingdom and SD vol1. Dante ones may be final?

So… what's in "Return Of The King" hm?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 26 October, 2017, 03:24:51 PM
Isn't 'Return of the King' the story where Judge Silver comes back as a zombie post-Necropolis?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Southstreeter 26 October, 2017, 04:49:43 PM
Sod it, I’m in for Nemesis. Anyone wanna buy three phone books?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 26 October, 2017, 05:24:12 PM
Isn't 'Return of the King' the story where Judge Silver comes back as a zombie post-Necropolis?
Yep. Which would be… odd for this collection (to say the least).
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: moogie101 26 October, 2017, 05:34:49 PM
Seems weird that we are getting two nemesis and Dante books so quickly when you consider how many slaine  books they are doing. And weird dredd choice as well.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Dark Jimbo 26 October, 2017, 05:38:28 PM
Seems weird that we are getting two nemesis and Dante books so quickly when you consider how many slaine  books they are doing. And weird dredd choice as well.

Rather weird to give us the Nemesis Gothic Empire/ Black Hole stories before we've even met the ABC Warriors! If they had run the Meknificent Seven volume first this would have worked nicely as a 'getting the gang back together' reunion. Ah well.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 26 October, 2017, 06:06:57 PM
Rather weird to give us the Nemesis Gothic Empire/ Black Hole stories before we've even met the ABC Warriors! If they had run the Meknificent Seven volume first this would have worked nicely as a 'getting the gang back together' reunion. Ah well.
Just realised we know issues 13 & 14 too, which are ABC Warriors 1 and Rogue 1, so they're not too far behind that second Nemesis book.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Goosegash 26 October, 2017, 06:53:24 PM
I'll definitely be grabbing the Dante books as I've only got the crappy DC editions of Vols I & II, with their awful washed-out colouring and smudgy lines. Worth a tenner for an upgrade.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: sheridan 26 October, 2017, 11:43:16 PM
Rather weird to give us the Nemesis Gothic Empire/ Black Hole stories before we've even met the ABC Warriors! If they had run the Meknificent Seven volume first this would have worked nicely as a 'getting the gang back together' reunion. Ah well.

That's how I was introduced to the ABC Warriors - my first view of Ro-Jaws was when he valeted for Nem on Britannia.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: The Monarch 27 October, 2017, 06:38:31 AM
so is this the death of chief judges book we were wanting in the mega collection or a weird new name for a collection like klyslers mark?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tjm86 27 October, 2017, 06:57:37 AM
Considering that Cal, Volt, Griffin, Fargo and Solomon have already had their deaths printed and that Hershey, Francisco and Sinfield are still alive (is that right on Sinfield?) there aren't that many to go.  Enough for a full volume?  McGruder and Silver?  Who else is left?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 27 October, 2017, 09:24:07 AM
so is this the death of chief judges book we were wanting in the mega collection or a weird new name for a collection like klyslers mark?
I was wondering if it was Every Empire Falls under a new name. Deaths of Dredd?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 27 October, 2017, 12:29:14 PM
OCD moment - if I knew anything about editing Wikipedia I'd be tempted to put all the officially confirmed & Facebook-only confirmed issues into one table, and put the confirmed ones in bold to differentiate them? It would help us to keep track of what's coming and what order they will end up in.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Dark Jimbo 27 October, 2017, 12:50:37 PM
OCD moment - if I knew anything about editing Wikipedia I'd be tempted to put all the officially confirmed & Facebook-only confirmed issues into one table, and put the confirmed ones in bold to differentiate them? It would help us to keep track of what's coming and what order they will end up in.

On the Mega Collection page Hachette 'let it be known' they didn't want the Facebook-confirmed upcoming books appearing in the same table.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: EDazzling 27 October, 2017, 12:57:27 PM
Ironically there's a citation needed for that fact. Do other wiki pages allow publishers to say what does and doesn't appear on a (provisional) list of dispassionate data?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 27 October, 2017, 01:09:05 PM
There's nothing to stop someone adding whatever the hell they like to a Wikipedia page, and publishers can't demand anything be removed if it's in the public domain already. But given that Hachette has been generous in revealing information to us lot, having a bit of respect for their wishes regarding formatting isn't really too much to ask for.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 27 October, 2017, 01:56:58 PM
Ironically there's a citation needed for that fact. Do other wiki pages allow publishers to say what does and doesn't appear on a (provisional) list of dispassionate data?
What happened was, on a few occasions I and a few others put the future non-sequential books into the MC table, and they were swiftly reversed. Just had a look at notes in the MC history, but can't find the actual event. It just became simpler to take the approach seen in the 2000 AD collection - I keep a google sheet of everything else.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: jannerboyuk 29 October, 2017, 12:13:13 PM
Just got the kingdom and nemesis books. Really enjoyed kingdom,i thought the art really improved as well. Love gene.
Saving nemesis although read it dozens of times, but very happy to have it in a really nice format with lots of gorgeous o'neil and redondo art.
Wallet is the definition of tat 😆
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Geoff 29 October, 2017, 08:06:50 PM
Wallet is the definition of tat 😆

Yeah, shame about the wallet.  Don't get me wrong, I wasn't expecting some sort of luxury item but I need a new wallet at the moment and I was hoping it might be usable. 

It's larger than a child's wallet but not really adult size and it smells very strongly (or at least mine does) of its raw ingredient of diesel/oil.  I'd rather have fewer but better quality bonus items.  Even if it was just better quality plastic, slightly bigger and had a smaller logo or an embossed one you could actually use it...  Probably wouldn't have given it a second thought, just that I could have done with a new wallet..
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Dark Jimbo 30 October, 2017, 02:10:15 PM
Got hold of Nemesis 1 today, and boy-oh-boy what a gorgeous book it is! Fourth time I've owned this material and this is my favourite edition so far. Love the end papers and the flat-colour title pages which really help break up the black-and-white strips. Also loving that the artwork has been pushed right to the bleeding edge of the pages for no loss of size!

Only niggle is that the image on the Book I title page is from Book III, and vice versa. A shame when the production values are generally so high.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Klegg Bait 30 October, 2017, 02:15:54 PM
Waiting for Nemesis to arrive.  It's the first time I'll be reading it and I'm looking forward to it.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Magnetica 30 October, 2017, 03:45:56 PM
Waiting for Nemesis to arrive.  It's the first time I'll be reading it and I'm looking forward to it.

Wow.. wouldn’t think there’s many on here who haven’t read it before. You are in for a treat. The first 6 books or so, are right up there with the best of 2000AD ever. So make sure you get the next volume as well.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) 30 October, 2017, 04:30:51 PM
Also, quick question. The poster/ star scan that serves as the first page of 'The Secret Life of The Blitzspear', where is that from? The book only lists the annual, and from a quick flick, it doesn't appear to be from that.
SBT
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Taryn Tailz 30 October, 2017, 04:31:12 PM
Waiting for Nemesis to arrive.  It's the first time I'll be reading it and I'm looking forward to it.

Wow.. wouldn’t think there’s many on here who haven’t read it before. You are in for a treat. The first 6 books or so, are right up there with the best of 2000AD ever. So make sure you get the next volume as well.

I've never read the Nemesis books either. In fact, my only exposure to Nemesis thus far has been the one off strip that appeared in the 40th anniversary prog.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Fungus 30 October, 2017, 04:36:23 PM
Looking forward to unwrapping my copy too. Have read it once. 1981 (to whenever it ended)...
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: JamesC 30 October, 2017, 04:55:28 PM
Nemesis is great and in some ways encapsulates what 2000AD means to me more than any other strip.
It's funny, scary, weird, gross and violent all at once, in a way that was quite shocking when I was young. It has incredible artwork throughout - mainly of a kind you'll never see in US comics and the character designs are some of the most memorable I've ever seen.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: glassstanley 30 October, 2017, 05:56:32 PM
Don't have sight of the book to confirm. Prog 305 has a colour star scan of the Blitzsoears being culled by Terminators - could this be it?

Also, quick question. The poster/ star scan that serves as the first page of 'The Secret Life of The Blitzspear', where is that from? The book only lists the annual, and from a quick flick, it doesn't appear to be from that.
SBT
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) 30 October, 2017, 06:31:19 PM
Don't have sight of the book to confirm. Prog 305 has a colour star scan of the Blitzsoears being culled by Terminators - could this be it?


That appears to be about right, brilliant. Shame they didn't shove it at the back of the book, in the colour section. Many thanks.
SBT
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: abelardsnazz 31 October, 2017, 12:19:07 PM
Really enjoyed reading Nemesis again after all these years. Great article by Matt Smith too about the development of the story across the first three books and after, including some good points about the often overlooked Book 2, which holds up here. Great repro too, capturing every line of Kevin O'Neill's insane designs. Can't wait for more.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Southstreeter 01 November, 2017, 10:02:15 PM
It would be great if I could find somewhere that actually stocked these. It was the same with the mega collection. Asda actually did stock the first issue (Slaine) but they seem to have given up on it already. What’s the business model here?
Bit of a pain to have to order these online, with added postage and delivery hassle.
Curmudgeon of Perth
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 01 November, 2017, 10:15:33 PM
Business model: hook people into subscribing to make it viable in an ongoing basis for the long haul. Pick up diminishing returns in newsagents as long as the single volumes sell.

I assume you don’t want every issue, then?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: BPP 02 November, 2017, 02:31:13 PM
Over here Easons (regional newsagents / bookstore) has them and 2000AD / Megazine but not Scream / Misty

Whereas Tesco has Scream / Misty but not 2000AD or Partworks.

Asda has neither / neither / nor.

Make of that what you will.

: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Dandontdare 02 November, 2017, 02:49:08 PM
It would be great if I could find somewhere that actually stocked these. It was the same with the mega collection. Asda actually did stock the first issue (Slaine) but they seem to have given up on it already. What’s the business model here?
Bit of a pain to have to order these online, with added postage and delivery hassle.
Curmudgeon of Perth

looks like you can buy individual ones direct from the Hachette site: https://hachettepartworks.com/2000-ad-the-ultimate-collection (https://hachettepartworks.com/2000-ad-the-ultimate-collection).
I'll be ordering the Dante books as soon as they appear, unless I've spotted them on a shelf anywhere in meantime
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Southstreeter 02 November, 2017, 04:52:49 PM
I only want a few of these as I’ve got most of the stuff I like already, in decent editions. I’ll just be picking up individual issues from time to time. Looks like I’ll be doing that online. Do Hachette keep them available indefinitely? The old mega collection editions still seem to be on their site.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Fungus 02 November, 2017, 05:04:46 PM
'Indefinitely' is a stretch, but 'while stocks last' is more like it, and if any volumes are unavailable it's rare. I've used WH Smith, FP Glasgow and picked up a few volumes from Hachette that I missed but took my fancy. None damaged and I've no complaints. The forum reviews always handy to identify the real duds of course  :)
 
But it is a partwork, and if in doubt I pick them up soonish. To avoid disappointment...
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Magnetica 02 November, 2017, 06:49:27 PM
I have ordered individual issues directly from Hachette and also Forbidden Planet. The only one I ever had any problems getting hold of was the recent Tour of Duty one. It was showing as sold out on Hachette’s website (before it had even come out!).

But FP had it up for pre-order. Not sure what was going on there.

Basically though it you want them I would just get them and not risk leaving it till later.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Dandontdare 02 November, 2017, 07:13:04 PM
I've seen them instore at FP but couldn't find them on the website - assumed it wasn't available online
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 03 November, 2017, 08:55:30 PM
Finally finished Nemesis, these books are such good value with so much reading to be done! Such genius work. So, when did Mek Quake become an ABC Warrior and change his look then?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: The Monarch 03 November, 2017, 09:08:50 PM
the very next book of nemesis i think or was it book 5?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 03 November, 2017, 09:36:32 PM
the very next book of nemesis i think or was it book 5?
Thanks! Not too long to wait then. Did Kev design all the Warriors? (Sorry for all the questions!)
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Dark Jimbo 03 November, 2017, 09:48:56 PM
Finally finished Nemesis, these books are such good value with so much reading to be done! Such genius work. So, when did Mek Quake become an ABC Warrior and change his look then?

He had appeared previously in Ro-Busters, along with Hammerstein and Ro-Jaws. After Book III he next appeared in Book IV, back to his 'bulldozer' form. He becomes an ABC warrior in Book V, which is also when we first see him in two-legged 'mech' mode.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 04 November, 2017, 02:09:13 PM
According to Facebook Nemesis Vol 3 will be out on 28 March 2018, featuring the photo-story from prog 534.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 04 November, 2017, 05:08:20 PM
...which is a curious three weeks after issue 14 as listed on Wikipedia... maybe Christmas will throw the dates out by a week?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 04 November, 2017, 09:07:55 PM
...which is a curious three weeks after issue 14 as listed on Wikipedia... maybe Christmas will throw the dates out by a week?
Or perhaps the dates they’ve got in front of them don’t reflect the three weeks that issue 1 ended up sitting on the stands.
Feel free to check the wiki dates though, they also could have gone wrong at some point!!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Jade Falcon 04 November, 2017, 10:24:40 PM
According to Facebook Nemesis Vol 3 will be out on 28 March 2018, featuring the photo-story from prog 534.

God, that photo story was a particularly low point.  It's a technique that practically never worked,  The story itself wasn't wonderful either.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Dark Jimbo 04 November, 2017, 11:05:17 PM
According to Facebook Nemesis Vol 3 will be out on 28 March 2018, featuring the photo-story from prog 534.

God, that photo story was a particularly low point.  It's a technique that practically never worked,  The story itself wasn't wonderful either.

That one's not too bad - and it does serve as a sort of lead-in to Bride of the Warlock. It also contains the line 'Explain yourself, madam! I myself saw you giggling with the extra-galactic!' Not too fussed whether the other strip makes an appearance, though.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: sintec 05 November, 2017, 11:11:26 AM
So we'll be getting 3 of the 4 volumes of Nemesis in pretty close succession then.  I wonder how long they'll make us wait for the concluding volume.

Personally I'd rather have the next vol of Kingdom, just finished the first one and I think it's the best book yet.  Gorgeous art (especially in the third part), great storyline, excellent characters.  I can't wait to learn more about that world.  Don't get me wrong I enjoyed Nemesis too but Kingdom just really blew me away.  Does anyone know if Vol 2 will bring us right up to date or will we end up missing series 7?

It does seem strange to cluster so much Nemesis in the first few months when there are 13 vols of Slaine to get through, you'd think they'd want to space those more evenly over the subscription.  As it is there's potentially going to be a glut of the barbarian at some point.  With 13 volumes scheduled that always meant approximately every 6th book was going to be Slaine.  Given what we know of the release schedule it's looking closer to being every 5th book from next April onwards now.  Really hope we don't end up getting a double Slaine month to catch up. 

I can now understand the reservations of those thinking this series is going to contain too much Slaine from upthread. The Horned God is imo the weakest of the volumes we've received so far (in terms of story anyway, the artwork is jaw-dropping).  If that's representative of the best of the barbarian then I'm concerned some of the others are going to be the lame ducks of the series.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Dark Jimbo 05 November, 2017, 11:53:57 AM
It does seem strange to cluster so much Nemesis in the first few months when there are 13 vols of Slaine to get through, you'd think they'd want to space those more evenly over the subscription.

Not to mention 10 vols of Stronty Dog - come the end of February we'll only have had two books of that...
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tjm86 05 November, 2017, 12:11:30 PM
13 vols of Slaine to get through, ....

.... I can now understand the reservations of those thinking this series is going to contain too much Slaine from upthread.

This collection was always going to be a dubious option for me.  I might have considered it if they had let the Dredd collection wrap up first.  As others have said, £40 each month is quite a bite.  Considering this, I am actually glad that they went with that option since I have to admit to falling into the "He did think it was too much" camp.  For me, Slaine has descended into a bloated mess.  The last decent storyline, for me, was just way back in the 400's.  Shell out £130 for books I'm not fussed on?  Nope.  Thanks.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 05 November, 2017, 05:08:51 PM
Does anyone know if Vol 2 will bring us right up to date or will we end up missing series 7?
Judging by what we got in the first book, the second volume will include the rest of the Call of the Wild trade, and most/all of Aux Drift (Aux Drift/Beast of Eden). So that would omit As it is in Heaven. (This is guesswork, note, but seems likely, given the page counts. Adding the recent run would take you over the 250-page limit – albeit only by a few pages.)

As for Sláine, perhaps we'll get Sláine Summer. Six books in a row. He didn't think it too many!

The Horned God is imo the weakest of the volumes we've received so far (in terms of story anyway, the artwork is jaw-dropping).  If that's representative of the best of the barbarian then I'm concerned some of the others are going to be the lame ducks of the series.
The problem with Sláine is how divisive the strip is, and also how variable the quality level is throughout the run. Strontium Dog, by comparison, is extremely solid throughout. Nemesis dips towards the end, but still remains very strong even when Mills starts shoving it through his politics filter. (Rogue Trooper, arguably, is consistently fine, rather than particularly amazing, on the flip side of the quality line.)

Sláine… Horned God works better in context, if you've read what happened before. It's more a conclusion to that era of Sláine than a starting point, to my mind. And a lot of what went before is great work – Warrior's Dawn is excellent old-school 2000 AD, as is The King. I can take or leave some of the Time Killer arc, but even that's generally strong.

After Horned God, it went a bit off the boil for me. I would quite happily have seen this collection skip from Horned God right to Book of Invasions, which were – to my mind, and despite some flaws – a return to form for the character. Brutania's another dip for me, sadly. I thought the first book was great – pacey and imaginative, but it's now lost me again.

Honestly, 13 books of Sláine is one of three things that nearly made me decide against the collection. (The other two, if anyone cares: Strontium Dog omitting the Starlord strips; John Smith’s work being more or less omitted from the run.)
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) 05 November, 2017, 08:11:02 PM
I'd say that, from my point of view, Slaine is the most consistent strip in the whole of the prog. In fact, barring the Secret Commonwealth, which reads okay as a collection, I'd say it hasn't ever put a foot wrong. The current stuff may not be to my taste due to the art- but I still look forward to it more than any other strip bar SiniDex.
Thirteen high quality Slaine hardbacks is great- but I already have all volumes, as well as all the progs. Can I justify them all again? I thought I'd dip in and out of this collection, due to the aforementioned complete set of the progs and hundreds of reprint volumes, but do you know what? I've found myself reading Nemesis again, despite having the phonebooks, which I didn't think would happen. I think I'm in it for the long run.
SBT
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: sintec 06 November, 2017, 12:06:42 PM
I can definitely see how context would help Horned God, part of my problem with it was it all seemed a bit too "and then..., and then".  With knowledge of the backstory those links might have felt a bit more natural.  It's not that I particularly disliked it just that in comparison to the other volumes we've received so far I found the story a little lacking.  If I was picking a volume off the shelf for a re-read at this point I doubt it'd be Horned God.  Maybe I'll give it another go once we've had the preceding three vols.

This is my first time reading these strips.  At this point I think the only thing that's likely to get me to ditch my sub is if I hate Nikolai Dante.  I can cope with a couple of sub-par volumes here and there, in a collection of 80 books there was always bound to be some stuff that isn't as good as the rest.  But if one of the major threads isn't to my taste then that would be much harder to swallow.  I mean looking at the list of titles in terms of %s:

Sláine: 16%
Strontium Dog: 12.5%
Nikolai Dante:  11%
ABC Warriors: 7.5%
Rogue Trooper: 6%
Savage/Invasion!, Nemesis: 5% each
Robo-hunter, Dredd, Sinister Dexter: 3.75% each
With the remaining 1 and 2 book sets making up the last 25%.

Slaine, Strontium Dog & Dante will make up nearly 40% of the collection.  Wanting to read Strontium Dog was one of my main reasons to buy into this and that's not disappointed so far.  Slaine was good and I'm looking forward to getting the back story, if it can keep to this standard for 13 books I'll be a happy man.  As long as Dante doesn't suck then I think I'm in for the ride.

It'll be a shame if we're missing series 7 of Kingdom.  Maybe a candidate for an extension.  Although I guess that's unlikely unless there's some new material, 1 series wouldn't make for an entire volume.  If series 8 and 9 happen in the meantime though, then it might become viable...
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: TordelBack 06 November, 2017, 12:23:37 PM
I think people might be pleasantly surprised by later Slaine if they give it a chance. I agree, pre-Horned God is the best of the bunch (not all of it, but on average) but almost all of the later stuff reads far better in collection than I remembered from the Prog, Pat's dirty protest story Secret Commonwealth aside. Even ostensibly awful story ideas like dumping Slaine into the Albigensian Crusade have some really nice twists when you actually read them.

 If I didn't already own it all twice over, I'd be tempted myself.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 06 November, 2017, 01:18:32 PM
At this point I think the only thing that's likely to get me to ditch my sub is if I hate Nikolai Dante.
For me, Nikolai Dante is the main reason for subscribing. That series, in hardback, complete? OH YES. I'd say it's possibly the most consistent series in 2000 AD’s history, in terms of ongoing quality. (Classic Strontium Dog is also excellent – I'm less enamoured with the reboot stuff, although that's still solid. Kingdom is also excellent, but much shorter.)

As for Horned God, I suspect that was a smart first item in the series, because it twangs those nostalgia glands, and was a turning point in British comics and 2000 AD as a whole from an aesthetic standpoint and in its epic/collected nature. I can't think of something that would have been better to grab potential readers with. (Halo Jones, strategically speaking, was a smart follow-up, but would have been a riskier lead.)
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 06 November, 2017, 01:24:57 PM
Issue 7 up at Hachette (https://hachettepartworks.com/2000-ad-the-ultimate-collection/strontium-dog-volume-1)
Johnny Alpha is a feared search/destroy agent - AKA a Strontium Dog - tasked with tracking down some of the galaxy’s most dangerous criminals. Together with his Viking buddy Wulf Sternhammer and alien medic the Gronk, this mutant bounty hunter crosses time, space and other dimensions in pursuit of his quarry! Scripted by John Wagner (A History of Violence) and Alan Grant (Batman) and illustrated by Carlos Ezquerra (Major Eazy), this first volume of Strontium Dog cases features such classic stories as Journey into Hell, The Schicklgruber Grab and Mutie’s Luck.
(https://hachettepartworks.com/Content/Products/b8088f81-bc98-428c-82f2-19bb85b56a15.jpg)
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: sintec 06 November, 2017, 01:36:31 PM
As for Horned God, I suspect that was a smart first item in the series, because it twangs those nostalgia glands, and was a turning point in British comics and 2000 AD as a whole from an aesthetic standpoint and in its epic/collected nature. I can't think of something that would have been better to grab potential readers with. (Halo Jones, strategically speaking, was a smart follow-up, but would have been a riskier lead.)

Horned God and Halo as the first 2 were the perfect thing to get me to buy in.  There were both things I've been meaning to read for years so signing up for a sub to test the waters seemed like a good risk.  Now 6 books in we've had 1 installement from 2 of the 3 main hitters, with the 1st Nikolai and 2nd Stront coming next month that'll be the point where I'll either decide to bail or buckle up for the rest of the ride.  From what I've heard of Dante I strongly suspect it'll be the later.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 06 November, 2017, 01:58:56 PM
I'd say for anyone who doesn't own much of this material already but is already a fan of 2000 AD in some form, this collection is going to be a ridiculous bargain. A tenner a pop for hardback reprints clocking in at 200–250 pages? Top stuff.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 06 November, 2017, 05:13:36 PM
I'd say for anyone who doesn't own much of this material already but is already a fan of 2000 AD in some form, this collection is going to be a ridiculous bargain. A tenner a pop for hardback reprints clocking in at 200–250 pages? Top stuff.

This is me. I read 2000AD between about 1994 and 2000, so missed all the classic stuff and missed the end of Nikolai Dante, which was my favourite strip after Dredd. Since coming back on board with the prog a few years ago I've gone the Complete Case Files route with Dredd, so this is the perfect way for me to get the best of the rest at extraordinarily good value.

And it really is good value. These hardbacks put the relatively costly Case Files to shame. Incredible production values. And they are so beautiful. Sometimes I just want to hold them and stare at them.

Also, they smell great.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: abelardsnazz 06 November, 2017, 10:09:58 PM
Issue 7 up at Hachette (https://hachettepartworks.com/2000-ad-the-ultimate-collection/strontium-dog-volume-1)
Johnny Alpha is a feared search/destroy agent - AKA a Strontium Dog - tasked with tracking down some of the galaxy’s most dangerous criminals. Together with his Viking buddy Wulf Sternhammer and alien medic the Gronk, this mutant bounty hunter crosses time, space and other dimensions in pursuit of his quarry! Scripted by John Wagner (A History of Violence) and Alan Grant (Batman) and illustrated by Carlos Ezquerra (Major Eazy), this first volume of Strontium Dog cases features such classic stories as Journey into Hell, The Schicklgruber Grab and Mutie’s Luck.
(https://hachettepartworks.com/Content/Products/b8088f81-bc98-428c-82f2-19bb85b56a15.jpg)

The cover's not by Carlos. Is it Colin MacNeil?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Jim_Campbell 06 November, 2017, 10:35:17 PM
The cover's not by Carlos. Is it Colin MacNeil?

Greg Staples, if memory serves…
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: TordelBack 06 November, 2017, 10:37:22 PM
Yup, Greg would be my thought too. Bit good that lad.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Klegg Bait 07 November, 2017, 04:13:30 AM
Also, they smell great.

Yes! 
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Colin YNWA 07 November, 2017, 07:11:16 AM
Also, they smell great.

Yes!

How good a comic / book smells is a very under discussed thing.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 07 November, 2017, 09:32:14 AM
Also, they smell great.

Yes!

How good a comic / book smells is a very under discussed thing.
The first time I remember a book's smell having an affect on me was my 'book of the film' Ghostbusters. It smelled spooky! And I always flipped past the double spread of the library ghost.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) 07 November, 2017, 10:04:12 AM
The first one I remember is The Target Book of UFOs, which smelled sweetly of sick. In later life I was disappointed, on getting a copy from a junk shop, that the smell wasn't there.
SBT
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Mattofthespurs 07 November, 2017, 10:35:00 AM
The first thing my 13 year old Son does when he receives a new book is open the book to the middle and have a good whiff.
Personally I prefer the smell of old, musty, second hand books.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 07 November, 2017, 11:11:03 AM
For those not subscribing, Hachette currently have a code FREEPO5T for free delivery on standard orders (under £25). Just ordered a Machine Man book that came out under the Marvel Mightiest collection. It has the BWS strip that was printed as a backup in Transformers UK when I was a nipper - quality stuff!
(http://www.barrywindsor-smith.com/studio/biomm4guide.jpg)
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Dandontdare 07 November, 2017, 01:02:11 PM
The problem with Sláine is how divisive the strip is, and also how variable the quality level is throughout the run.
I'd say that, from my point of view, Slaine is the most consistent strip in the whole of the prog. In fact, barring the Secret Commonwealth, which reads okay as a collection, I'd say it hasn't ever put a foot wrong.

I'm fighting with Indigo Prime block on this - that period with Merlin and the ley-ser pistols (I still shudder as I type that) was pretty weak, despite some nice art. Slaine has it's moments storywise, but these days I tend to regard it as an excuse to drool at some jaw-dropping artwork, I lost interest in the story many years ago.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: TordelBack 07 November, 2017, 02:23:25 PM
You're talking about Time Killer there, which is a short digression between the magnificent Dragonheist, Bellardinelli's best ever work IMO, and the odd-but-interesting Spoils of Annwn and then Slaine the King: shorter again if you like Tomb of Terror, which has its good points. Less than half a volume either way. That's what I mean when I say reading Slaine in collected form can be surprising. Unhappy periods that you felt interminable week to week are over in a flash, and there's usually something totally different up next.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 07 November, 2017, 03:01:22 PM
But that's why it always feels inconsistent. I quite often like the weirder stuff – Spoils of Annwn was great, as was The Swan Children. The first bit of Brutania also seemed to head in a vaguely Mignola-like myths/weirdness direction. But then you get a bit lump of stodge to wade through.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: DrRocka 09 November, 2017, 01:06:18 AM
Tell you what, this Kingdom volume’s the most gorgeous one yet, innit?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: I, Cosh 09 November, 2017, 08:07:35 AM
Eh? Leyser Guns were an awesome idea when I was twelve and they're awesome now. I had unreservedly loved Slaine up to that point and Time Killer blew my mind by taking the strip off in a completely unexpected direction which expanded its possibilities a thousandfold.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Richard 09 November, 2017, 09:56:13 AM
The Swan Children was brilliant.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Magnetica 09 November, 2017, 10:42:15 AM
I always felt Leyser guns were a bit naff, but other than that Timekiller rocks. It is full of interesting ideas: the El world, The Cythrons, Elfric, Pluke only being able to help if they do good deeds.

Plus awesome art from Fabry and Pugh.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: sintec 09 November, 2017, 12:41:12 PM
Tell you what, this Kingdom volume’s the most gorgeous one yet, innit?

Isn't it just.  Loved every page and can't wait for the next one.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: TordelBack 09 November, 2017, 02:40:48 PM
Kingdom is one of my all-time favourite thrills, but I've never read it in collected form: it's even better this way. This volume is just magnificent.  So many wonderful new puns I never noticed! "So long Maryan" indeed.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Colin YNWA 09 November, 2017, 10:19:27 PM
Eh? Leyser Guns were an awesome idea when I was twelve...

Yes.

... and they're awesome now.

No.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: EDazzling 09 November, 2017, 10:58:46 PM
I am 32 and I recently read Time Killer for the first time and let me tell you: leyser guns are brilliant (but time killer is a huge awful chore)
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: somebody-nobody 10 November, 2017, 02:44:07 PM
Has anyone had problems with getting individual copies? I ordered The Horned God in September to check the quality before subscription but Hachette partworks keep telling me they are not aware of my order even though i provided the order confirmation and order number and a copy of my bank statement proving the transaction. and I've noticed a lot of complaints about Hachette Partworks online.
https://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/hachette-partworks-ltd-c266586.html?page=2 (https://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/hachette-partworks-ltd-c266586.html?page=2)
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 10 November, 2017, 03:21:45 PM
Try them on Facebook, via the page for the 2000 AD collection. Their Facebook people are, broadly speaking, a lot better than their other support staff. I've seen plenty of complaints, too, but bar packaging issues, I've never had any problems myself.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Jade Falcon 11 November, 2017, 03:59:45 PM
Kingdom, that was damned enjoyable. Bear in mind I know squat about it. The initial story in my mind got off to a shaky start between the packs language style which was just something you got used to and after mentions of the pack in the intro text and story beginning their quick exit.

The follow one were far stronger, and mentions of Ant Wars brought up memories. I remember having the first few 2000ad annuals that had stories I suspect were inherited from Starlord. A time travelling WW2 squad, and maybe also an Ant Wars story.

Quick summary, roll on Kingdom Book 2.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Mattofthespurs 11 November, 2017, 05:40:40 PM
These are some beautiful books.
Had not opened any of the 6 so far until today.
Wow.
These are super lovely.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Taryn Tailz 11 November, 2017, 05:48:26 PM
I'll be tempted to dip my toe into this series if we get any Indigo Prime hardbacks.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: abelardsnazz 12 November, 2017, 10:19:28 PM
Enjoyed Kingdom, I'd missed it during my wilderness years so it was great to read a volume of it in one go. Great use of language, stunning art, and Gene is a brilliant central character. Roll on volume 2.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Dandontdare 13 November, 2017, 02:40:54 PM
Anyone know when the first Dante book is due to appear? A there's nine of 'em I'll have to keep my eyes peeled, wouldn't want to miss one because I'm not subscribing.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 13 November, 2017, 02:47:52 PM
Anyone know when the first Dante book is due to appear? A there's nine of 'em I'll have to keep my eyes peeled, wouldn't want to miss one because I'm not subscribing.

The Dante volumes break down like this:

Ish  Vol
08   72   Nikolai Dante 1         29/11/2017
12   73   Nikolai Dante 2         24/01/2018
19   74   Nikolai Dante 3         02/05/2018
35   75   Nikolai Dante 4         12/12/2018
53   76   Nikolai Dante 5         21/08/2019
62   77   Nikolai Dante 6         25/12/2019
69   78   Nikolai Dante 7         01/04/2020
74   79   Nikolai Dante 8         10/06/2020
77   80   Nikolai Dante 9         22/07/2020

2000 AD: The Ultimate Collection Hi James,

No plans as of yet, we're afraid. As for Nikolai Dante…

Vol 1: Issue 8
Vol 2: Issue 12
Vol 3: Issue 19
Vol 4: Issue 35
Vol 5: Issue 53
Vol 6: Issue 62
Vol 7: Issue 69
Vol 8: Issue 74
Vol 9: Issue 77

Hope this helps!
14 August at 10:59
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Dandontdare 13 November, 2017, 02:56:19 PM
that's perfect thanks
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 13 November, 2017, 06:07:30 PM
Cool, what's the source for those Dante dates?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Colin YNWA 13 November, 2017, 08:02:50 PM

The Dante volumes break down like this:

Ish  Vol
08   72   Nikolai Dante 1         29/11/2017
12   73   Nikolai Dante 2         24/01/2018
19   74   Nikolai Dante 3         02/05/2018
35   75   Nikolai Dante 4         12/12/2018
53   76   Nikolai Dante 5         21/08/2019
62   77   Nikolai Dante 6         25/12/2019
69   78   Nikolai Dante 7         01/04/2020
74   79   Nikolai Dante 8         10/06/2020
77   80   Nikolai Dante 9         22/07/2020



Arh man that's so cool. Can't wait to see how the first volume looks and then in just 2 1/2 years we'll have a beautiful (hopefully) hardcover collection of 2000ad's greatest story....

JOY!!!!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 14 November, 2017, 09:41:03 AM
that's perfect thanks
Arh man that's so cool. Can't wait to see how the first volume looks and then in just 2 1/2 years we'll have a beautiful (hopefully) hardcover collection of 2000ad's greatest story....
JOY!!!!
Cool, what's the source for those Dante dates?
Hey, I have a simple spreadsheet with the dates plugged in to add 14 days to the last volume, and the issue numbers came from Facebook. But now that you mention it, I realise I didn't account for the three weeks on issue 1, so it should be:

08   72   Nikolai Dante 1   06/12/2017
12   73   Nikolai Dante 2   31/01/2018
19   74   Nikolai Dante 3   09/05/2018
35   75   Nikolai Dante 4   19/12/2018
53   76   Nikolai Dante 5   28/08/2018
62   77   Nikolai Dante 6   01/01/2018
69   78   Nikolai Dante 7   08/04/2018
74   79   Nikolai Dante 8   17/06/2018
77   80   Nikolai Dante 9   29/07/2018

The Google Docs spreadsheet is here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yMw5MuHYl4dEU6fADO9nV_gLWqndr5ZNtuoLTzmXiwY/edit?usp=sharing)
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Apestrife 14 November, 2017, 10:45:40 AM
I wonder what Dredd book that'll be. Dark Justice w/ Dominion perhaps?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 14 November, 2017, 11:32:29 AM

08   72   Nikolai Dante 1   06/12/2017
12   73   Nikolai Dante 2   31/01/2018
19   74   Nikolai Dante 3   09/05/2018
35   75   Nikolai Dante 4   19/12/2018
53   76   Nikolai Dante 5   28/08/2018
62   77   Nikolai Dante 6   01/01/2018
69   78   Nikolai Dante 7   08/04/2018
74   79   Nikolai Dante 8   17/06/2018
77   80   Nikolai Dante 9   29/07/2018

The Google Docs spreadsheet is here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yMw5MuHYl4dEU6fADO9nV_gLWqndr5ZNtuoLTzmXiwY/edit?usp=sharing)

That spreadsheet is gold! Thanks.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Colin YNWA 14 November, 2017, 10:03:25 PM
Don't tease us with your 2018. Just dream it's only just over a year away!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Neil C 15 November, 2017, 10:52:19 AM
Hey, I have a simple spreadsheet with the dates plugged in to add 14 days to the last volume, and the issue numbers came from Facebook. But now that you mention it, I realise I didn't account for the three weeks on issue 1, so it should be:

08   72   Nikolai Dante 1   06/12/2017
12   73   Nikolai Dante 2   31/01/2018
19   74   Nikolai Dante 3   09/05/2018
35   75   Nikolai Dante 4   19/12/2018
53   76   Nikolai Dante 5   28/08/2018
62   77   Nikolai Dante 6   01/01/2018
69   78   Nikolai Dante 7   08/04/2018
74   79   Nikolai Dante 8   17/06/2018
77   80   Nikolai Dante 9   29/07/2018

The Google Docs spreadsheet is here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yMw5MuHYl4dEU6fADO9nV_gLWqndr5ZNtuoLTzmXiwY/edit?usp=sharing)

Your dates from volumes 5 and beyond are wrong. The final Dante will be in 2020, not 2018.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 15 November, 2017, 02:37:49 PM
Hey, I have a simple spreadsheet with the dates plugged in to add 14 days to the last volume, and the issue numbers came from Facebook. But now that you mention it, I realise I didn't account for the three weeks on issue 1, so it should be:

08   72   Nikolai Dante 1   06/12/2017
12   73   Nikolai Dante 2   31/01/2018
19   74   Nikolai Dante 3   09/05/2018
35   75   Nikolai Dante 4   19/12/2018
53   76   Nikolai Dante 5   28/08/2018
62   77   Nikolai Dante 6   01/01/2018
69   78   Nikolai Dante 7   08/04/2018
74   79   Nikolai Dante 8   17/06/2018
77   80   Nikolai Dante 9   29/07/2018

The Google Docs spreadsheet is here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yMw5MuHYl4dEU6fADO9nV_gLWqndr5ZNtuoLTzmXiwY/edit?usp=sharing)

Your dates from volumes 5 and beyond are wrong. The final Dante will be in 2020, not 2018.

FFS. Sorry team. I had to rebuild the dates as were in American format in the sheet and didn’t correct to 2019 and 2020 when it got to that year. I’ll get my coat.

08   72   Nikolai Dante 1   06/12/2017
12   73   Nikolai Dante 2   31/01/2018
19   74   Nikolai Dante 3   09/05/2018
35   75   Nikolai Dante 4   19/12/2018
53   76   Nikolai Dante 5   28/08/2019
62   77   Nikolai Dante 6   01/01/2020
69   78   Nikolai Dante 7   08/04/2020
74   79   Nikolai Dante 8   17/06/2020
77   80   Nikolai Dante 9   29/07/2020
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Jade Falcon 15 November, 2017, 03:53:19 PM
I've maybe asked before but are we getting any VCs and if so when up to. The last released trade "Back in Action", left on a cliffhanger.

I do think some stories seem to be dominating too much when you consider just how many there are in 2000ads history.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Bolt-01 15 November, 2017, 04:07:12 PM
Jade- The VC's was finished off in the floppies earlier this year. I don't think they are to be included in the collection.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Fungus 15 November, 2017, 05:41:07 PM
It's been established the collection will be the main strips - and lots of books for each. So unlikely any VCs.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Dark Jimbo 15 November, 2017, 06:16:38 PM
It's been established the collection will be the main strips - and lots of books for each. So unlikely any VCs.

VCs is more of a 'main strip' than the likes of Ampney Crucis and Sooner or Later...!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: marko10174 15 November, 2017, 11:10:14 PM

 Jesus Christ, we have to wait nearly three years to get the full Nikolai Dante collection!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Fungus 15 November, 2017, 11:27:10 PM
It's been established the collection will be the main strips - and lots of books for each. So unlikely any VCs.

VCs is more of a 'main strip' than the likes of Ampney Crucis and Sooner or Later...!

I knew you'd say that.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Richard 16 November, 2017, 12:47:43 AM
VCs is not the best the prog has to offer. It's the Mega Collection, not the Meh Collection.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Fungus 16 November, 2017, 03:42:07 AM
VCs is not the best the prog has to offer. It's the Mega Collection, not the Meh Collection.

It's not the Mega Collection.

Sorry 😉

On strip selection, perhaps this was focus grouped, who knows? I'd prefer the shorter gems (Harry Twenty, Tribal Memories, Moore's Future Shocks, etc.) to offer the very best experience, but maybe older B/W has to be rationed for today's potential customers. But in truth I don't want another 80 (?) hardbacks - I'd given up on floppy comics in theory anyway. Cherry-picking Nemesis, Dante, Ace Trucking and a few others is just fine by me. Beautiful books so far.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Jade Falcon 16 November, 2017, 04:37:42 AM
Jade- The VC's was finished off in the floppies earlier this year. I don't think they are to be included in the collection.


So how long did it go on beyond the "Back in Action" trade.

Digital format I don't mind for novels, but not comics or illustrated non fiction.

: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Bolt-01 16 November, 2017, 08:25:22 AM
From memory there were 2 floppies worth of material- so approx 110 pages. I'd have to dig 'em out to check what issues of the Meg they were with, though.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Taryn Tailz 16 November, 2017, 11:27:35 PM
I realise I'm probably way too late to this party, but is there anyway I can still pick up a copy of Slaine - The Horned God for £1.99? I don't see any way of picking up back issue from the Ultimate Collection website.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: robert_ellis 16 November, 2017, 11:51:28 PM
https://hachettepartworks.com/2000-ad-the-ultimate-collection?sortOrder=postdate_acs&size=&loading=true
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Taryn Tailz 17 November, 2017, 12:09:17 AM
https://hachettepartworks.com/2000-ad-the-ultimate-collection?sortOrder=postdate_acs&size=&loading=true

Thank you muchly. :)
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: jabish 17 November, 2017, 12:45:28 PM
Does anyone know if Ro-Busters is slated to appear in the collection? Sorry of this has already been asked and answered.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 17 November, 2017, 01:43:49 PM
Totting up the numbers, it doesn't appear to be in the initial run. Also, with Starlord Strontium Dog not being included, if you're considering the special offer on the Ro-Busters hardback, you might want to grab a copy.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 17 November, 2017, 01:54:12 PM
Totting up the numbers, it doesn't appear to be in the initial run. Also, with Starlord Strontium Dog not being included, if you're considering the special offer on the Ro-Busters hardback, you might want to grab a copy.
I've followed this logic as well. Even if it gets included down the line it will be at least three years so I'm happy to plug for the bigger HB right now.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 17 November, 2017, 09:24:01 PM
Totting up the numbers, it doesn't appear to be in the initial run. Also, with Starlord Strontium Dog not being included, if you're considering the special offer on the Ro-Busters hardback, you might want to grab a copy.
I've followed this logic as well. Even if it gets included down the line it will be at least three years so I'm happy to plug for the bigger HB right now.

Sorry if I'm being thick but what's the Stront-RoBusters connection?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: The Amstor Computer 17 November, 2017, 10:19:47 PM
Sorry if I'm being thick but what's the Stront-RoBusters connection?

If the Strontium Dog volumes don't include the Starlord stories, it's a fair bet that - even if Ro-Busters makes it in - it will be missing the Starlord stories, which are included in the existing hardback Ro-Busters collections Rebellion put out.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 17 November, 2017, 10:52:15 PM
Ah, thanks. I didn't realise Ro-Busters originated in Statlord!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: A.Cow 18 November, 2017, 06:22:33 AM
Ah, thanks. I didn't realise Ro-Busters originated in Statlord!

I think you're getting confused.  Statlord was the comic with numerically-themed strips, like Fiends of the Upper Percentile and Anderson: Phi Coefficient.

Do you mean Stairlord?  Y'know, the one which featured Stannah & Her Amazing Floating Chair and The ABC Bannisters?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: jabish 18 November, 2017, 09:51:25 AM
Cheers guys. The ro-busters hardback is on sale or do I search for a copy of the phone book version. Decisions decisions.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Dark Jimbo 18 November, 2017, 10:53:44 AM
Cheers guys. The ro-busters hardback is on sale or do I search for a copy of the phone book version. Decisions decisions.

It's lovely to have everything under one cover, but the hardbacks are just gooooorgeous...
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 18 November, 2017, 11:08:11 AM
Ah, thanks. I didn't realise Ro-Busters originated in Statlord!

I think you're getting confused.  Statlord was the comic with numerically-themed strips, like Fiends of the Upper Percentile and Anderson: Phi Coefficient.

Do you mean Stairlord?  Y'know, the one which featured Stannah & Her Amazing Floating Chair and The ABC Bannisters?

OK, I asked for that.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 18 November, 2017, 11:41:55 AM
Cheers guys. The ro-busters hardback is on sale or do I search for a copy of the phone book version. Decisions decisions.
The phone book I have is on crap paper. The hardbacks have colour spreads and much better production values. At the moment, you can get the phonebook second-hand for about the price of one of the hardbacks. Personally, I'd rather have the hardbacks. (Note that if you want to save a few quid, Wordery currently has the second one at a low price, too.)
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Jade Falcon 18 November, 2017, 06:00:56 PM
From memory there were 2 floppies worth of material- so approx 110 pages. I'd have to dig 'em out to check what issues of the Meg they were with, though.

So last post in this thread on this topic, is there any legit way of getting the rest as Back in Action ended on somewhat of a cliffhanger?  As a further question, It seem to be true in Rogue Trooper we won't get the Dogs Trooper Intergalactic Hitman stuff that was a bit...off. However I liked the darker Rogue we got in the Realpolitik trade, will we get any of that?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Bolt-01 19 November, 2017, 10:51:02 AM
okay- so to get the two volumes you want Megs 380 & 381

Both available in the 2000 AD meg shop: https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/megazines/2017/MEG380P (https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/megazines/2017/MEG380P)
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Jade Falcon 19 November, 2017, 02:06:08 PM
okay- so to get the two volumes you want Megs 380 & 381

Both available in the 2000 AD meg shop: https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/megazines/2017/MEG380P (https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/megazines/2017/MEG380P)

Cheers.

I wonder how Are Trucking will look after all these years, certainly Bellardinellis art will be as mind bending as ever, having already sampled that in Meltdown Man.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tjm86 19 November, 2017, 02:07:43 PM
... or you could see if any boarders happen to have them spare and free to a good home (postage only) ... hint, hint.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Richard 19 November, 2017, 02:09:26 PM
I'd rather Tharg got the money.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tjm86 19 November, 2017, 03:35:15 PM
He did.  Now they're just gathering dust.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 20 November, 2017, 02:22:05 PM
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: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Dark Jimbo 21 November, 2017, 02:14:20 PM
Well, here's what everyone is going to want to know about Strontium Dog vol 1 - there are no colour centre spreads. Otherwise, though, it's the usual bang-up excellent repro job. Some of the strips look loads better than in my phonebooks.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Jade Falcon 21 November, 2017, 03:28:15 PM
What's in it. The only phone book I have is the one with Portrait of a Mutant in it.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Dark Jimbo 21 November, 2017, 03:43:31 PM
What's in it. The only phone book I have is the one with Portrait of a Mutant in it.

Galaxy Killers through to Doc Quince Case, plus the customary essay and a few full-page colour covers.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Geoff 21 November, 2017, 04:13:03 PM
Just finished the 'Kingdom' volume which I'd never read before - absolutely loved it!

The most involving and enjoyable 'new' strip I've ever read in the prog I think. By new I mean, post Harry 20, Skizz, Zenith Bad Company etc..

I went away from the prog for a while around the 1000s and came back again a few years ago so I caught the final 2 chapters of Kingdom.  Didn't really get into it then, but having read from the start I now can't wait for the next volumes and reading the last 2 chapters again.     
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 21 November, 2017, 05:00:45 PM
Well, here's what everyone is going to want to know about Strontium Dog vol 1 - there are no colour centre spreads. Otherwise, though, it's the usual bang-up excellent repro job. Some of the strips look loads better than in my phonebooks.
So is it greyscale or black and white?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Dark Jimbo 21 November, 2017, 05:06:17 PM
Standard black and white.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Magnetica 21 November, 2017, 05:47:11 PM
You are right that is what I wanted to know. I don’t actually own Journey to Hell, but I have read it in the SD Files I borrowed from the library.

To me it’s one of the weakest Strontium Dog stories, so no colour spreads means no purchase for me I’m afraid.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Dark Jimbo 21 November, 2017, 06:03:00 PM
I don’t actually own Journey to Hell, but I have read it in the SD Files I borrowed from the library.

To me it’s one of the weakest Strontium Dog stories, so no colour spreads means no purchase for me I’m afraid.

Yeah, it's not a great one. Rambles on and on with no real sense of coherent plot, and Ezquerra's art mostly looks quite rushed.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Greg M. 21 November, 2017, 08:55:07 PM
Journey to Hell is great, you philistines!  ;) Carlos's double-page spreads are absolutely glorious - I've said this many times, but it's easy to forget just how good he is at evoking a nightmarish ambience in his stories. Give him the chance to draw some zombies or skellingtons, and the man's in his infernal element - to wit, the 'Desert of the Living Dead' spread, which is as evocative as it gets.

Not having the spreads in colour is indeed a huge disincentive to purchase, however.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Colin YNWA 21 November, 2017, 09:18:58 PM
Journey to Hell is great, you philistines!  ;) Carlos's double-page spreads are absolutely glorious - I've said this many times, but it's easy to forget just how good he is at evoking a nightmarish ambience in his stories. Give him the chance to draw some zombies or skellingtons, and the man's in his infernal element - to wit, the 'Desert of the Living Dead' spread, which is as evocative as it gets.

Yep this... kinda... Journey to Hell is good, very good, but its not Portrait of a Mutant or Rage good but its damned good....

Is it Dante next? If so better start thinking about where I'm going to pick that up...
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: marko10174 21 November, 2017, 09:47:57 PM

 Anyone really looking forward to getting the first figurine? I think we'll get the Nemesis figure in Jan/Feb? I would imagine the figurines will become real collectors items, especially the later ones like Dante and Dredd.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tjm86 22 November, 2017, 07:59:44 AM
I've always felt, personally, that Journey to Hell was a bit of a mixed bag.  Artistically to me it is classic Ezquerra and that may well be why I've always had a soft spot for it.  His vision of hell jibes incredibly well with Dante and that was probably the inspiration.  About as close as I think we will ever get to an illustrated version of that work.  Storywise though, it suffers a little toward the end. 

It seems part of a different generation of Stront story.  The early stuff wore it's Western roots on its sleeve quite openly.  Post Portrait there always seemed a more political edge to it and the discrimination side came to the fore.  The pre rebirth stories seemed a little lost at times, or perhaps 'experimental' is a better word, grasping for a renewed vision.  The current post rebirth stories seem to show a harsher, more cynical edge to Johnny.  He seems to have lost a little of the compassion he had in the early stories (e.g. the Moses Job).  There was always a steel to him but now there seems to be little else.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Magnetica 22 November, 2017, 09:33:05 AM
Not having the spreads in colour is indeed a huge disincentive to purchase, however.

Ok so if they gave it the Mek Files treatment (but without cropping the art to remove the next Prog boxes) then I would consider it.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Dark Jimbo 22 November, 2017, 11:28:49 AM
Not having the spreads in colour is indeed a huge disincentive to purchase, however.

Ok so if they gave it the Mek Files treatment (but without cropping the art to remove the next Prog boxes) then I would consider it.

Hopefully (because the repro heavy lifting has already been done for Mek Files 1) the first ABC Warriors book will have colour spreads.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: DrRocka 23 November, 2017, 07:48:36 AM
Anyone else found that the quality has dipped significantly with this one? Not the stories, they’re as great as they ever were, but mine seems to be poorly reproduced - too white and scratchy on a lot of pages in the first story, too dark on some later pages. I get mine from my local comic shop who orders it in for me and I doubt that it’s bad enough to return it, but it is annoying. Enough to say that I wouldn’t have bought any more if the first had been like this.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tjm86 23 November, 2017, 08:58:06 AM
Is it just the early B&W stuff?  This was a problem with the mega collection as well.  The recent colour stuff was fine but some of the early strips were dire at times.  Blacked out blocks of images, loss of detail, not good at times.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: karlos 23 November, 2017, 12:11:19 PM
Yes, the repro. in SD vol. 1 is up and down, but I really do think that is due to the original materials they are working with.

Could Rebellion have done some remastering?  Maybe, I don't know, but otherwise, it's a lovely book in general.

(Although the completist in me wanted the Starlord stories including, of course!)

: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Jade Falcon 24 November, 2017, 11:21:42 PM
Okay, I enjoyed most of that.  Journey to Hell did waver a bit and drag on and the 'Space Trucker' dialogue was a bit grating but a sign of the times.  Hell, my brother had a CB and I remember watching far too many movies like Convoy. :)

The Schikelgruber Job story was silly, but in a good way of course.  Him offering Stix a job was funny, if anything I thought he would offer a position to Wulf since he certainly would fit Der Fuhrers Aryan stereotype in terms of appearance. :)
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: jannerboyuk 24 November, 2017, 11:23:10 PM
His vision of hell jibes incredibly well with Dante and that was probably the inspiration.  About as close as I think we will ever get to an illustrated version of that work.
Err https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dantes-Inferno-Graphic-Joseph-Lanzara/dp/0963962116/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1511565605&sr=8-1&keywords=dante%27s+inferno+graphic+novel
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Colin Zeal 24 November, 2017, 11:52:42 PM
My first post on here in God knows how long but I had to say that I think the choice of stories for this line is completely uninspiring. I realise that as someone who still buys the program every week and most trades I'm probably not the target audience but there are too many volumes on titles already in collected form. I'm going to keep buying every issue but I would have preferred that instead of x volumes on slaine and Strontium Dog reprinting titles already collected that hidden classics such as the Red Seas had been included.

Rant over, I would also like to say that I'm delighted this is happening at all and I hate to sound so miserable about it.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Fungus 25 November, 2017, 12:20:15 AM
A collection that printed 'hidden classics' would be weird. If you have stories already, the fact you're blindly, unhappily, buying them again makes little sense to me.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Jade Falcon 25 November, 2017, 02:47:38 AM
I must admit that I'm not the biggest Slaine fan and would like a few less of that and some more volumes on other things, but I'll maybe change my mind.  Of course we all have our different tastes.  Some old stories date better than others. 

The trouble with saying that some of them have already been printed are that they had a fairly short print run.  Savage for example, look how much it costs to get The Guv'nor or Taking Liberties, ditto with something like Flesh.  Other stories like Mean Streets just don't date well at all, the whole future sports thing being a bit dodgy.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Magnetica 25 November, 2017, 08:13:35 AM
Think you mean “Mean Arena”.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 25 November, 2017, 02:32:57 PM
Subscriber delivery day 🎉
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 25 November, 2017, 02:45:36 PM
Subscriber delivery day 🎉

As early subscribers drop off, regardless of how many new subscribers come onboard, is my subscriber delivery day likely to move to earlier in the month? At the moment I tend to get it in the week between releases.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 25 November, 2017, 02:53:46 PM
This happened to me with Dredd. Hachette said it's company policy to avoid two payments within a single month, where possible, but they could change my date with written permission. I duly did so, and got two books about two weeks after the previous ones. Always worth a shot. Approach via Facebook, as ever.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Jade Falcon 25 November, 2017, 05:48:12 PM
Think you mean “Mean Arena”.

I stand corrected. :)

: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: moogie101 25 November, 2017, 06:44:10 PM
Hi all,

Started subscribing from issue 2 & loving it as stopped reading 2000AD back in the Nineties so loving the series as getting to reread classics & experience a lot of what I consider the "newer" stuff for the first time.

Quick query though, got home & received a parcel but only containing one book Issue 6 "Kingdom Vol. 1" & a cheap tatty wallet. Only been charged for one book but just wondered if anyone had experienced this? Maybe so they can send me out a parcel of two books before Xmas?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: moly 25 November, 2017, 06:59:27 PM
The wallet should of come with issue 5 and 6 this month should be 7 and 8
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Michael Knight 25 November, 2017, 08:32:25 PM
Just wondering does anyone know how the Ultimate Collection is selling? Im absolutely loving thus far. Kingdom in glorious hardback is probably my fave volume. 6 issues in and im already hoping the mega collection is extended lol. Would love to see Vector 13 stories collected
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Rately 25 November, 2017, 09:07:39 PM
Loving the Ezquerra artwork on SD.

I started collecting 2000AD around 750 onwards, so hadn't much exposure to Johnny Alpha, so really looking forward to the next collection.

Having never read Nikolai Dante, I'm really looking forward to getting stuck onto it, as it seems, from what i've read on the boards, to be a 2000AD classic.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: TordelBack 25 November, 2017, 09:23:38 PM
My first post on here in God knows how long but I had to say that I think the choice of stories for this line is completely uninspiring.

Not aimed at us, Colin mate.  I imagine all the remaining uncollected gems (?) will end up under conventional soft covers one day, even Red Seas (eventually), while the UC is a greatest hits/recognisable character collection for the casual/new fan.  They can't keep selling to the dwindling ranks of grogsquaxx alone.

But as you say, glad its happening at all, and the two volumes I have cherry-picked so far (Kreeler Conspiracy and Kingdom) have been fantabulous.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Colin YNWA 25 November, 2017, 10:02:17 PM
Having never read Nikolai Dante, I'm really looking forward to getting stuck onto it, as it seems, from what i've read on the boards, to be a 2000AD classic.

Oh it is, it really bloody is. Quite possibly the best thing to have ever been in the comic. And that's saying quite something.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: JamesC 25 November, 2017, 11:13:52 PM
I like Dante overall but I don't think it really gets good until the war kicks in.
All that 'too cool to kill' and bed hopping stuff makes me cringe if I'm honest.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Richard 26 November, 2017, 12:48:51 AM
I couldn't take Dante seriously until The Great Game, when it suddenly got much better. It peaked during Tsar Wars.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 26 November, 2017, 09:18:22 AM
I wonder when they'll get around to updating the Next Issue page on the official collection website.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 26 November, 2017, 09:20:15 AM
This happened to me with Dredd. Hachette said it's company policy to avoid two payments within a single month, where possible, but they could change my date with written permission. I duly did so, and got two books about two weeks after the previous ones. Always worth a shot. Approach via Facebook, as ever.

Useful, thanks! Might try to do that: would be great to get them closer to when the first one hits the shelves.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: jannerboyuk 26 November, 2017, 10:34:14 AM
I was just about to say enjoying dante as a fun romp but 9 volumes? Glad to hear it develops 🤔
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Jim_Campbell 26 November, 2017, 10:58:11 AM
I couldn't take Dante seriously until The Great Game

I don't think you're supposed to. That's the whole point…
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: TordelBack 26 November, 2017, 11:37:54 AM
Grud how I hated Dante when it started.  Everything about it irritated me: messy art, ugly faces, arrogant unkillable hero, stupid anachronistic setting, forced catchphrases and cod-Russian jargon.  Gah! Is this what the Prog has turned into in the '90s?  I'm off! 

How utterly, completely wrong I was, on every count.

Advice to newcomers: stick with it. It takes a wee while to find its feet (not long), there's too much repetition (probably due to establishing a clear identity as a long-running saga doled out in weekly chunks), far too many surprise resurrections (most of them welcome), and a dose of dodgy sexual/gender politics, but it's all going somewhere, and the journey is just spectacular.

Probably 2000AD's most under-appreciated comics classic: if the Ultimate Collection does nothing else, I hope it finally gives Kolya the wider recognition he deserves.  Not to mention R. Morrison, Burns and especially the incomparable Fraser.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: marko10174 26 November, 2017, 01:07:37 PM

 Nikolai Dante is my favourite strip! only discovered the character this year, and I have already read through the series twice. It is a shame that the series would be considered hideously politically incorrect by today's standards. I could imagine millennials having an aneurysm reading this, and feminists... Jesus, they would go in to a melt down. So there is no way in hell we'll ever see Nikolai in his original form hit the big, or small screen.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: TordelBack 26 November, 2017, 01:52:49 PM
It is a shame that the series would be considered hideously politically incorrect by today's standards. I could imagine millennials having an aneurysm reading this, and feminists... Jesus, they would go in to a melt down.

I'm a feminist  (no, really (http://www.advertiser.ie/galway/article/57301/ten-things-an-irish-woman-could-not-do-in-1970-and-be-prepared-to-cringe#.UpMsxI9UgzQ.twitter)), and I think it's great, if understandably immature in its early days. Possibly you are confusing 'feminist' with 'Mary Whitehouse', or 'twitter bot'.

And while I'm against adaptations of stuff I love as a matter of course, it'd be the the best Netflix series evah.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: EDazzling 26 November, 2017, 01:55:13 PM

It is a shame that the series would be considered hideously politically incorrect by today's standards. I could imagine millennials having an aneurysm reading this, and feminists... Jesus, they would go in to a melt down.


what an appealing endorsement
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Colin YNWA 26 November, 2017, 02:41:02 PM
It is a shame that the series would be considered hideously politically incorrect by today's standards. I could imagine millennials having an aneurysm reading this, and feminists... Jesus, they would go in to a melt down.

I'm a feminist  (no, really (http://www.advertiser.ie/galway/article/57301/ten-things-an-irish-woman-could-not-do-in-1970-and-be-prepared-to-cringe#.UpMsxI9UgzQ.twitter)), and I think it's great, if understandably immature in its early days. Possibly you are confusing 'feminist' with 'Mary Whitehouse', or 'twitter bot'.

And while I'm against adaptations of stuff I love as a matter of course, it'd be the the best Netflix series evah.

As ever listen to Tordelback.

While Dante as a character is a womaniser that in no way makes the series sexist in any way and I see absolutely no reason for anyone who cares about gender politics to be offended by the strip or like or dislike it either way - quite why caring about having equality between the sexs is something 'millenials' would care about opposed to any one else escapes me as well.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Dark Jimbo 26 November, 2017, 02:59:07 PM
It's a classic mistake to think that someone who likes sex must be a sexist - Dante's almost a feminist in his championing of the female sex, and he never made advances on anyone who wasn't receptive (Jena the very notable exception!) He is a bit one-track minded and immature, but he's constantly called out on it by most other characters later on.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: marko10174 26 November, 2017, 05:22:56 PM

 Hmm, I think people are over estimating the modern day sjw's ability to apply reason and logic. I mean, people LOVE to be outraged by absolutely anything these days. Adam Sandler puts his hand on his female co-stars knee during the Graham Norton show and he's basically accused of sexual assault the very next day. I recently read about a mother complaining that she wants sleeping beauty taken off the curriculum because sleeping beauty didn't consent to being kissed! (how many times do we see Dante plant the lips on Jena with out her approval?)

 After recently reading the entire ND run recently there were so many times I thought to myself "yeah this would cause outrage today" especially in the earlier stories. Sadly Nikolai would be seen as someone who is representative of a male, domineering patriarchy...  slapping women's butts, "objectifying them" hell, he even refers to one woman as an elephant in one story lol.

 Sadly if we did ever see a screen adaptation of Nikolai, he would be nothing like his comic counter part. He would probably end up being seriously emasculated.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: TordelBack 26 November, 2017, 05:48:03 PM
I dimly recall the days when vocally standing up for social justice was a virtue expected of all decent people, but I digress...

Sadly if we did ever see a screen adaptation of Nikolai, he would be nothing like his comic counter part. He would probably end up being seriously emasculated.

Have you watched any popular genre telly lately?  Game of Thrones, for just one example? Westworld? American Gods?  No butt-slapping, consent-disrespectin' or endless bed-hopping there, no-siree, not in a world where PC has gorrrrn maaaad, 'they' wouldn't stand for it.  I'd argue TV has never been more liberal (in the true sense) in what it depicts as fiction.

This view of a repressive world where the moral fibre of fictional characters is strictly policed appears to exist in a very similar collective online fantasy to the one where Christmas has been banned by councils operating under Sharia Law.

: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: marko10174 26 November, 2017, 06:39:42 PM

 I'm getting a lot of sarcastic vibes in your post lol. There's standing up for social justice, and then there's just plain ole virtue signalling, which I'm seeing more and more of these days.

 The shows you have mentioned do display a lot of illiberal behaviour, but the characters displaying those behaviours are always depicted as villains. Nikolai Dante is the hero and protagonist of this particular story, there is no way his behaviour would fly in today's social climate.

 I think you're really down playing the whole idea of political correctness not going mad, almost to the point of insinuating that the very notion is down to nothing but mass hysteria. I don't think a day goes by where there isn't someone complaining about something or other. I mean... safe spaces, trigger warnings, cultural appropriation, micro aggressions. I gave you two examples before that were a perfect example of people losing their shit over nothing.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Jim_Campbell 26 November, 2017, 07:03:40 PM
the modern day sjw's ability to apply reason and logic.

Another one for the ignore list. Sigh.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: jannerboyuk 26 November, 2017, 07:15:25 PM
It's a classic mistake to think that someone who likes sex must be a sexist - Dante's almost a feminist in his championing of the female sex, and he never made advances on anyone who wasn't receptive (Jena the very notable exception!) He is a bit one-track minded and immature, but he's constantly called out on it by most other characters later on.
indeed. He makes an outraged point about consent to the woman in rudenstein. Strikes me as a classic 2000ad character, deeply flawed but when faced with a moral dilemma has a strong sense of social justice. See risking his life to steal enough money to stop the citizens of rudenstein being sold in serfdom for example.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tjm86 26 November, 2017, 07:46:07 PM
There's standing up for social justice, and then there's just plain ole virtue signalling, which I'm seeing more and more of these days.

Not sure I'm in complete agreement there.  An old comment along those lines:

And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men.

That said, the way this discussion seems to be heading highlights a danger in the old #metoo meme.  I would agree that there is a perception that any kind of sexualised behaviour or entertainment is risky.  Comments about SJW's and PC madness undermine the legitimate concerns that in certain industries predatory behaviour has run unchecked for years.  The perception of hysteria feeds into this and undermines attempts to clean out the swamp.

Popular entertainment has always had to tread a fine line on these issues.  Tordels makes a good point with regard to how far the pendulum has swung.  We are long way from Mary Whitehouse's day.  That said, it is still slightly schizophrenic at times.  If Dante had been written 10 years earlier it may well have gotten tooth pulled from the shelves.  Today?  I do think you are correct to question whether it would be so well received.  It is very much a creature of its time as is so much popular culture.  At the same time though, Dante evolved as a character. 
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Super Mario 26 November, 2017, 07:55:53 PM
I'm glad someone finally spoke up about all these hypothetical sjws virtue signalling over Nikolai Dante. Bravo.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: marko10174 26 November, 2017, 07:59:03 PM
the modern day sjw's ability to apply reason and logic.

Another one for the ignore list. Sigh.

 Seriously? I think you're being a bit touchy there.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: marko10174 26 November, 2017, 08:01:19 PM
I'm glad someone finally spoke up about all these hypothetical sjws virtue signalling over Nikolai Dante. Bravo.

 I didn't say anyone was virtue signalling over Nikolai Dante. I was implying that I personally see more and more people virtue signalling in today's social climate. I wasn't addressing anyone in this thread.
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: Super Mario 26 November, 2017, 08:13:34 PM
Well if no one is actuallu doing it why are you moaning about it here.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Jade Falcon 26 November, 2017, 08:22:35 PM
I've heard of Nikolai Dante, but don't really know anything about him, so I'll go into it with an open mind.

Bear in mind my tastes have got some stuff that's regarded as a bit.....crap (Helltreckers, the VC's, etc).

Plus another strip I got the collection of would probably be regarded as a touch mildly politically incorrect these days and thats the Trigan Empire.

Anyway, so far the Collection has varied, but like the Dredd one I'm getting to read a lot of stuff for the first time.  And there's no doubt these books are good value, a shave under a tenner for a decent sized hardback when you consider what, say, an average graphic novel costs nowadays. 
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: marko10174 26 November, 2017, 08:28:11 PM
Well if no one is actuallu doing it why are you moaning about it here.

 Super Mario, I'm not. I was interested in the idea of how ND would fare in today's political and social climate, in regards to political correctness and what. I thought it would make for an interesting dialogue, ironically I was just talking about how easily people are offended these days, and well... here we are.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: EDazzling 26 November, 2017, 08:54:28 PM
I don't think anyone is offended, just, really, really, really bored.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: marko10174 26 November, 2017, 09:03:12 PM

 Fair do's.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Super Mario 26 November, 2017, 09:09:06 PM
No one would care about any of that stuff if ND ran today. Glad I could clear that up.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: TordelBack 26 November, 2017, 09:11:34 PM
I personally see more and more people virtue signalling in today's social climate.

How do you distinguish 'virtue signalling' (misapplied sociobiological terminology) from speaking up for what's right?  But look, I'm dragging us off topic again.

I am intrigued by the idea that only out-and-out villains are allowed misbehave in contemporary TV fiction (and allowed by whom?).  Coming back to the simple example of GoT, who isn't a villain by those standards?  Tyrion? Jaimie? Daenerys?  All nasty pieces of work, but also our heroes.  Who is the hero in Breaking Bad?  The Sopranos?  Dante is no saint, but he never claimed to be, nor does he escape the readers' judgement: right to the last page we don't know which way he'll jump.   What he is is a compelling protagonist, and just like Walter White or Jaimie Lannister, we love him because we know he's capable of doing the right thing, and we hope he will, despite all evidence to the contrary.  It's the potential for being better that makes these guys interesting interesting (plus the fun of watching all their transgressions).

As a wise man said rather more than once, heroes be damned.

The issue here for me is that this is all fiction: no people were harmed in the making.  The other stuff you talk about is in the real world, and it's a endless river of unnecessary pain that needs to be, maybe is being, addressed.

: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Jade Falcon 26 November, 2017, 09:49:10 PM
Using Game of Thrones as an example, the ultimate of course is the Hound.  He started off as a total and complete sod, and he's not much better in his attitude now.  Part of it is he hates himself as much as he hates those round about him.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: iainkey 26 November, 2017, 10:39:46 PM
Hi all,

Started subscribing from issue 2 & loving it as stopped reading 2000AD back in the Nineties so loving the series as getting to reread classics & experience a lot of what I consider the "newer" stuff for the first time.

Quick query though, got home & received a parcel but only containing one book Issue 6 "Kingdom Vol. 1" & a cheap tatty wallet. Only been charged for one book but just wondered if anyone had experienced this? Maybe so they can send me out a parcel of two books before Xmas?


Same here, I wondered about this too...


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: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tjm86 27 November, 2017, 05:41:01 PM
the modern day sjw's ability to apply reason and logic.

Another one for the ignore list. Sigh.

 Seriously? I think you're being a bit touchy there.

Don't mind Jim.  He's a bit gruff but harmless.  Just buy him a pint and make nice noises about Comic Sans and he'll be rolling over for you to scratch his tummy in no time.   ;)
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Jim_Campbell 27 November, 2017, 06:10:20 PM
Don't mind Jim.  He's a bit gruff but harmless.

No. Sorry. I'm trying not to get into fights with people, both for the general ambience here and the sake of my blood pressure, and someone who starts hauling up strawmen about what "SJWs, millennials and feminists" will be offended by is someone whose opinion is of no interest to me. Hence the ignore list. I'll thank you to neither patronise me, nor speak for me.
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: Tjm86 27 November, 2017, 07:00:34 PM
My apologies sir.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: marko10174 27 November, 2017, 07:02:13 PM

  Well I don't want to start a fight either, but I will throw in my two cents and leave it here. Unlike Jim, I don't "ignore" people. I am open to hearing all opinions, regardless of whether I agree with them or not, or how uncomfortable an opinion might make me feel, and not just listening to those that I agree with. Otherwise you're just sheltering yourself, and essentially  living in a safe space and you never grow as a person.

 Tjm86, appreciate the gesture. Unfortunately you were met with a very snotty reply from someone who (sorry to say) just strikes me as a ridiculous person. Anyway... sorry for the drama. I'm done.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Modern Panther 27 November, 2017, 07:35:04 PM
I think people are over estimating the modern day sjw's ability to apply reason and logic. I mean, people LOVE to be outraged by absolutely anything these days.

I am open to hearing all opinions, regardless of whether I agree with them or not, or how uncomfortable an opinion might make me feel

I'm happy to listen to your opinion, but before I do I will make assumptions about it and call it silly
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 27 November, 2017, 07:43:24 PM
Knock it off, everyone. We're not going to close this thread, given its importance, but can we get the discussion back on track to the books, and not content that would better belong in the political thread? If not, we're going to start deleting stuff without warning.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: The Monarch 27 November, 2017, 10:07:50 PM
i kinda hope the dante book keeps the historical blurbs
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: robert_ellis 27 November, 2017, 10:28:26 PM
I've come late to Dante, I've always been put off collecting all the volumes but the 2000ad collection will change all that. It's great to read a swashbuckling & romantic hero. I guess Strontium Dog kind of flirted with Durham Red but we've rarely seen much sexuality or humanity since Halo Jones. I think the draw of Vertigo comics stopped my enjoyment of the prog way before Dante and I stopped buying it. Dredd in particular seemed dull and staid, when many 2000ad creators were exploring sexuality, magic & weirdness for DC. I wish I'd known about Nikolai earlier - it was so easy to think 2000ad was chasing its tail, rebooting & rehashing. The prog seems much healthier now, but I'd still like to see more 'real' relationships. It's great thinking the likes of Brink & Lawless can have time for developing characters, and Dredd seems more dimensional around Vienna or Demarco.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: abelardsnazz 28 November, 2017, 08:14:27 PM
Classic stuff in Strontium Dog volume 1, although I can't recall ever having read Journey Into Hell before. It reminded me of City of the Damned quite a lot, our heroes dealing with various nasty encounters before confronting the cause of all the evil in its lair. The ending was straight out of Scooby Doo though. The Schicklgruber Grab brought back happy memories, great fun reading it again.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 30 November, 2017, 10:53:35 AM
OK, an update on the cover (via forbidden planet (https://forbiddenplanet.com/230843-2000ad-the-ultimate-collection-issue-10-judge-dredd-return-of-the-king/)) to the Dredd book "The Return Of The King" including credits, so what is this book likely to contain you think? Simply any Dredd strips by Ezquerra currently excluded from the JDMC?

(https://dyn0.media.forbiddenplanet.com/products/4025054_1ht4lXQ.jpg.size-600_maxheight-600_square-true.jpg)

Also the final cover for Nemesis volume 2:

(https://dyn0.media.forbiddenplanet.com/products/4025061_7t3NGNl.jpg.size-600_maxheight-600_square-true.jpg)
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Dark Jimbo 30 November, 2017, 11:28:22 AM
Also the final cover for Nemesis volume 2:

(https://dyn0.media.forbiddenplanet.com/products/4025061_7t3NGNl.jpg.size-600_maxheight-600_square-true.jpg)

Hmm. I don't love the colouring on that, but I suppose it will match that of the Book 1 cover quite well.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 30 November, 2017, 01:54:04 PM
Maybe I missed it upthread, but it seems (from the Facebook page) that there were printing issues with issue 7 and that some subscribers will only get issue 6 this month, then get issues 7&8 next month. That will suck, and I wonder how they will square it with the payments.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 30 November, 2017, 02:15:45 PM
Maybe I missed it upthread, but it seems (from the Facebook page) that there were printing issues with issue 7 and that some subscribers will only get issue 6 this month, then get issues 7&8 next month. That will suck, and I wonder how they will square it with the payments.
I saw those two people saying they'd only got one copy but hadn't seen the reply. I got my two, haven't cracked them beyond a cursory glance as yet so can't speak to printing errors. Over on the Transformers page yet another mistake has been found in one issue (http://tmukhub.proboards.com/post/301509) - a sloppy bit of layout work by someone!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Link Prime 30 November, 2017, 02:24:53 PM
Also the final cover for Nemesis volume 2:

(https://dyn0.media.forbiddenplanet.com/products/4025061_7t3NGNl.jpg.size-600_maxheight-600_square-true.jpg)

I'll have to pick this one up, my personal favorite period of Nemesis combined with my possibly all time favorite artist.

I like that cover too.
Random thought of the day- when crafting wooden swords as I kid I always used Talbot's more rigid design for Excessus (sharpened ice-pop sticks making the perfect hilt).
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: Colin YNWA 30 November, 2017, 02:58:27 PM
Where is that Nemesis image from? I don't recognise it and don't think this series has new covers?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 30 November, 2017, 03:10:41 PM
Over on the Transformers page yet another mistake has been found in one issue (http://tmukhub.proboards.com/post/301509) - a sloppy bit of layout work by someone!
Honestly, it's hard to think of how they could have made that collection much worse. The repro is truly abysmal – some of the worst I've ever seen. The recolouring effort is atrocious. I really don't know what they were thinking when redoing that early Marvel US stuff. And now IDW appears to have given up on the UK Classics reprints, too. Bah.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: James Stacey 30 November, 2017, 04:19:54 PM
Honestly, it's hard to think of how they could have made that collection much worse. The repro is truly abysmal – some of the worst I've ever seen. The recolouring effort is atrocious. I really don't know what they were thinking when redoing that early Marvel US stuff. And now IDW appears to have given up on the UK Classics reprints, too. Bah.
I was in 2 minds with the Transformers collection but after taking my dd details twice they still couldn't get it right (despite having had successful marvel and Dredd setup) so I gave up on it. Glad now if they are abandoning the UK reprints altogether.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 30 November, 2017, 04:23:59 PM
Where is that Nemesis image from? I don't recognise it and don't think this series has new covers?

Found it (https://2000adonline.tumblr.com/post/55612067259/classic-moments-of-thrill-power-nemesis-the)

(https://78.media.tumblr.com/2962bc83d31c090578b36836799201e1/tumblr_mq1geqN4Xs1qf427ko1_500.jpg)
Classic Moments Of Thrill-Power™-Nemesis the Warlock:The Gothic Empire
Original series art droid Bryan Talbot,one of the UK’s most unique creative talents,reprises a vintage slice of Thrill-Power™ in this Nemesis the Warlock pin-up for Prog 2008(12Dec'07).
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: geronimo 30 November, 2017, 04:37:29 PM
I have just unsubscribed from collection having still received nothing after they messed up my address.  I'm not hanging about for the first package when new volumes are coming into the shops.

Are others still having problems and do problems get sorted at all?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 30 November, 2017, 04:40:46 PM
I was in 2 minds with the Transformers collection but after taking my dd details twice they still couldn't get it right (despite having had successful marvel and Dredd setup) so I gave up on it. Glad now if they are abandoning the UK reprints altogether.
I should clarify: Hachette aren't abandoning UK reprints – it looks like IDW is. Their sixth volume of UK material has been MIA for well over a year now. The repro is equally awful across iDW and Hachette's Transformers stuff though, as far as the classic Marvel content goes.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: James Stacey 30 November, 2017, 04:53:18 PM
Gotcha
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: abelardsnazz 30 November, 2017, 06:03:37 PM
Garth Ennis' name on the Dredd cover suggests it will indeed include the title story. Seems a bit odd to me to include a Necropolis sequel in this collection when all the others have appeared in the Mega Collection. Happy to have it as a companion volume to the MC but non-collectors of that might be a bit bemused.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Colin YNWA 30 November, 2017, 09:08:47 PM
Where is that Nemesis image from? I don't recognise it and don't think this series has new covers?

Found it (https://2000adonline.tumblr.com/post/55612067259/classic-moments-of-thrill-power-nemesis-the)


Arh good work! So I had seen it before, surprised I don't remember that, its class.

Thanks.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Jade Falcon 30 November, 2017, 11:40:18 PM
Garth Ennis' name on the Dredd cover suggests it will indeed include the title story. Seems a bit odd to me to include a Necropolis sequel in this collection when all the others have appeared in the Mega Collection. Happy to have it as a companion volume to the MC but non-collectors of that might be a bit bemused.

It is an odd thing to do, but I'm eagerly waiting to see what happened with Silver.  He never struck me as much of a Chief Judge, a bit too much of a hardliner, mind you, from re-reading some Anderson material, Volt seems no better.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Greg M. 01 December, 2017, 11:51:37 AM
It is an odd thing to do, but I'm eagerly waiting to see what happened with Silver.  He never struck me as much of a Chief Judge, a bit too much of a hardliner, mind you, from re-reading some Anderson material, Volt seems no better.

When John Wagner wrote Volt, he was seen as a liberal reformer. Alan Grant seemed not to have picked up on this, hence Volt is wildly out of character in the Anderson stories he appears in (particularly 'Crusade'.)

Silver was a great character, but from an in-universe perspective, he's the single worst Chief Judge the city ever had. And that includes Cal!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: TordelBack 01 December, 2017, 12:29:24 PM
Sure that honour goes to Francisco, who was manipulated into office on the back of a TV career, allowed himself to be drugged and controlled by Sinfield, failed to identify the Mayor of MC-1 during his term* as the mass-murderer PJ Maybe and then when he was unmasked failed to execute him or even keep him in custody, before failing to prevent the most devastating foreign attack on the City in its history despite ample opprtunity, and failing to manage the curfew situation once the Chaos bug was in the city. Nice guy, but sheesh! 


*I accept that this was more Hershey's fault.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: moogie101 01 December, 2017, 02:22:21 PM
Maybe I missed it upthread, but it seems (from the Facebook page) that there were printing issues with issue 7 and that some subscribers will only get issue 6 this month, then get issues 7&8 next month. That will suck, and I wonder how they will square it with the payments.

As one of those who only got Issue 6 delivered cheers for posting that, I hadn't seen anything about it on the FB page.

To answer your question I only got charged for the one issue.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Woolly 01 December, 2017, 04:26:30 PM
Maybe I missed it upthread, but it seems (from the Facebook page) that there were printing issues with issue 7 and that some subscribers will only get issue 6 this month, then get issues 7&8 next month. That will suck, and I wonder how they will square it with the payments.

As one of those who only got Issue 6 delivered cheers for posting that, I hadn't seen anything about it on the FB page.

To answer your question I only got charged for the one issue.

Still waiting for issues 5+6 here - had a second lot sent out 2 weeks ago, but still nothing  :(
Bah!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Greg M. 01 December, 2017, 06:06:12 PM
Sure that honour goes to Francisco

As ever, you make some awfully good points. Francisco is not particularly competent, and in terms of sheer number of mega-citizens dead due to his mistakes, he is indeed the worst - that's inarguable. Silver, however, seemed to actively court disaster - his ill-judged, wrong-headed decisions set in motion event after event that combined to usher in Necropolis, for which he is directly and personally responsible. Francisco failed to prevent a (substantially bigger) disaster, but at least he knew when to quit.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: TordelBack 01 December, 2017, 08:18:21 PM
I'm sure this could be settled scientifically by a handy 'number of times ignored Dredd's gut feeling' metric.

You could well be right about Silver, Greg.  Maybe I'm just biased against reality TV stars who gain high office through courting racism with exclusionist rhetoric...
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Greg M. 01 December, 2017, 08:56:28 PM
Maybe I'm just biased against reality TV stars who gain high office through courting racism with exclusionist rhetoric...

How do you feel about treasonous US leaders who collaborate with and are manipulated by the Russians? Ah, Griffin - relevant again after all these years.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: The Monarch 01 December, 2017, 09:37:40 PM
wasn't griffin brainwashed tho :lol:
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Apestrife 03 December, 2017, 11:54:13 AM
OK, an update on the cover (via forbidden planet (https://forbiddenplanet.com/230843-2000ad-the-ultimate-collection-issue-10-judge-dredd-return-of-the-king/)) to the Dredd book "The Return Of The King" including credits, so what is this book likely to contain you think? Simply any Dredd strips by Ezquerra currently excluded from the JDMC?

On https://hachettepartworks.com/2000-ad-the-ultimate-collection/judge-dredd-return-of-the-king it says "A veteran artist of over forty years' standing, Carlos Ezquerra is the co-creator of Judge Dredd, visualising the imposing uniform, helmet, bike and gun that would become one of the world’s most iconic comics characters. An effortless storyteller, he handles comedy, horror, action and drama with equal ease, and his influence on 2000 AD continues to be seen to this day. This collection of stories from writers John Wagner (Button Man), Alan Grant (Batman) and Garth Ennis (Preacher) sees Ezquerra at the height of his powers – from rampaging giant ants to mind-controlling aliens!"

Sounds like a "The Rest of Ezquerra".
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: DrRocka 03 December, 2017, 01:59:52 PM
Sounds like “Starborn Thing”’s in there?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 04 December, 2017, 10:48:10 AM
OK, an update on the cover (via forbidden planet (https://forbiddenplanet.com/230843-2000ad-the-ultimate-collection-issue-10-judge-dredd-return-of-the-king/)) to the Dredd book "The Return Of The King" including credits, so what is this book likely to contain you think? Simply any Dredd strips by Ezquerra currently excluded from the JDMC?

On https://hachettepartworks.com/2000-ad-the-ultimate-collection/judge-dredd-return-of-the-king it says "A veteran artist of over forty years' standing, Carlos Ezquerra is the co-creator of Judge Dredd, visualising the imposing uniform, helmet, bike and gun that would become one of the world’s most iconic comics characters. An effortless storyteller, he handles comedy, horror, action and drama with equal ease, and his influence on 2000 AD continues to be seen to this day. This collection of stories from writers John Wagner (Button Man), Alan Grant (Batman) and Garth Ennis (Preacher) sees Ezquerra at the height of his powers – from rampaging giant ants to mind-controlling aliens!"

Sounds like a "The Rest of Ezquerra".

I totally missed that this book had landed on their site - basically cos it suffers that classic problem of book 10 jumping in front of book 1 due to a lack of zeros in the indexing.

So, with this one being an Ezquerra special, is there enough Bolland or Kennedy or someone else to fill out one of the other books?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Steve Green 04 December, 2017, 12:27:37 PM
Plenty complete Kennedy I'd imagine, but not totted up what's already been printed.

Bolland - doubt it. There aren't that many complete Bolland stories that are standalone.

I can't see them going the IDW route of printing odd stories from an epic, or a centre spread from Luna 1.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 04 December, 2017, 12:38:02 PM
Plenty complete Kennedy I'd imagine, but not totted up what's already been printed.

Bolland - doubt it. There aren't that many complete Bolland stories that are standalone.

I can't see them going the IDW route of printing odd stories from an epic, or a centre spread from Luna 1.

Fair point and of course one of the others is Dark Justice. So that only leaves one other book, which I have guessed at before as being "Judge Dredd Vol1",  with Devil's Island and Robot Wars etc from Case Files 1.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: The Monarch 04 December, 2017, 03:51:39 PM
i just want a hc complete kenny who is that too much to ask its not like i am asking for a hc canon fodder or something :lol:
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: robert_ellis 04 December, 2017, 06:00:33 PM
I reckon Kenny Who will make it into the last books of the MegaCollection. It's been in print before & is always a favourite. Are there other 'art in megacity' stories it could be filled up with?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Juan De La Karite 05 December, 2017, 03:18:05 PM
I have just unsubscribed from collection having still received nothing after they messed up my address.  I'm not hanging about for the first package when new volumes are coming into the shops.

Are others still having problems and do problems get sorted at all?

They made a complete arse of setting up my DD but I had no problems with the subscription itself, everything has turned up regularly. Finally got the DD issue resolved after a few weeks of staying on top of it myself.

Loving the Ultimate Collection so far though. As a relatively new convert to 2000ad it's a great way of catching up on classic stories, I was planning on buying TPB's anyway but getting hardbacks delivered to the door is very, very handy.

So far, Halo Jones and Strontium Dog have been my favourites.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: karlos 06 December, 2017, 11:50:56 AM
As if you cats need reminding, Nikolai Dante vol. 1 is out today.

(No idea if my local Smiths have had some sort of tip-off, but there were markedly more copies of this than any other Ult. Coll. volume to date).
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: abelardsnazz 06 December, 2017, 12:39:02 PM
My local Thrill-merchant is currently being sent second copies in addition to the one he saves for me, but they seem to sit on the shelf for two weeks before being returned. However I'll keep an eye on whether Dante's smiling face remains there this time round.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: GrudgeJohnDeed 06 December, 2017, 03:49:06 PM
I just read through the Nikolai Dante book, just as good as I remember! The extra stuff was nice too, I had the huge graphic novel from years and years ago, and it was missing parts like him bedding the Rasputin lady. He still made reference to it later though when he see's the Rasputin peeps at the Tsar's party and at the time I was confused
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Jade Falcon 06 December, 2017, 04:21:14 PM
Well my local WH Smith's has screwed up AGAIN. No Dante book. Before the 2000ad and Dredd books have been in the same day but three times before there was no book left by but copies on the shelf. This time, nothing. Im only in that town once a fortnight due to commitments.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Timothy 06 December, 2017, 06:50:09 PM
Now that we are getting Dante in 9 volumes rather than 11 it will be interesting g to see where the books divide. For the sake of completeness it would be nice to have the recent flashback story I cluded, although my personal view is that this would be better included as an extra in one of the slimmer volumes rather than appearing at the end. The end of Dante is so good that it really does need to stop there.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Dark Jimbo 06 December, 2017, 09:16:51 PM
Now that we are getting Dante in 9 volumes rather than 11 it will be interesting g to see where the books divide.

The first book is all the 'Romanov Empire' TPB content plus 'The trouble with Arbatovs' and 'Cruel Britannia' (previously from the start of the 'Great Game' TPB). As a result Vol.2 should be able to fit in everything up to 'Last Dance on the TransSiberian Express'; if it's light on essay stuff then it could fit in 'Cruel Seas' as well, allowing Vol.3 to open with 'Courtship of Jena Makarov' and a whole heck of a lot of the Tsar Wars material...
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Colin YNWA 07 December, 2017, 09:33:12 PM
As if you cats need reminding, Nikolai Dante vol. 1 is out today.

(No idea if my local Smiths have had some sort of tip-off, but there were markedly more copies of this than any other Ult. Coll. volume to date).

Wow missed this. Gotta track this one down. I'm so excited to have Dante complete in hardcover!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: TordelBack 08 December, 2017, 12:40:45 PM
It's another glorious volume, and since my incomplete Dante TPB shelf is currently made up of all sorts of oddball collections (big skinny Hamlyn, thick purple DC/Rebellion, shiny repackaged Rebellion etc.) it feels great to get such a long unbrokn run of the strip under one very pretty hardcover.  The amazing revelation here for me is that all these stories came out in one year.  :o

Hard to imagine what that would be like were it to happen nowadays.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 08 December, 2017, 01:19:11 PM
Having not read Dante yet, which version did we get? Is it the original Rebellion take, or the US-oriented 'Too Cool to Kill' version, which removed a ton of the captions?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Jamie1000013 09 December, 2017, 03:02:15 PM
Kingdom was awesome, beautiful artwork and great story. The unique dialogue is also really thought out and gets stuck in your head. This and Shakara are awesome, after the 9th delivery gift I may cancel and then pick up issues I want though. I can't take reading any more Slaine, Savage. or others I am not too keen on.

I wish Rogue Trooper volume came out close to when the new game came out would of added to it.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 10 December, 2017, 10:01:03 AM
I just read Kreeler last night. If you’re new to these strips and haven’t delved in yet, avoid  the intro and text article  alike, unless you want spoilers up the wazoo.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 10 December, 2017, 11:29:00 AM
I must say I found Strontium Dog Vol.1 to be a bit of a slog. It got a bit better half way through once the art quality improved - not sure whether that was due to reproduction issues or production values at the time. But it still feels pretty juvenile. Without the benefit of nostalgia I think I'm going to struggle with the early volumes of some of the classics.

Dante, on the other hand, is ace.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Dark Jimbo 10 December, 2017, 11:39:08 AM
I must say I found Strontium Dog Vol.1 to be a bit of a slog. It got a bit better half way through once the art quality improved - not sure whether that was due to reproduction issues or production values at the time. But it still feels pretty juvenile.

Aye, Galaxy Killers and Journey to Hell are really not the best introduction to the characters and set-up. Such an odd way to introduce them to 2000AD readers. It does get loads better.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tjm86 10 December, 2017, 12:23:35 PM
They are the first two Stront stories in the merged 2000ad and Starlord.  It is fair to say that they are not the best example of the strip's strengths.  That generally came with the Johnny Alpha origin story and from there on.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 10 December, 2017, 01:24:07 PM
In particular, Portrait of a Mutant through Rage is, for me, one of the strongest runs of any character in 2000 AD's history.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: abelardsnazz 10 December, 2017, 03:01:13 PM
I guess the early stories of any character that's had the longevity of Alpha or Dredd read a bit oddly in the light of more recent developments, but I think they had to take place to become the characters we know and love today. Reading early Dredd now feels a bit odd, but with that and SD, the creators were finding their way and working out what did and didn't work.

For me, the first SD volume has a fun vibrancy to it, particularly the humour with the Gronk. Undoubtedly some of this is nostalgia, but I'd be interested to know if this is a starting point on discovering 2000AD for anyone, and what their thoughts are.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tjm86 10 December, 2017, 03:17:50 PM
I think you've hit the nail on the head in some respects.  For those of us who read Stront in Starlord, then followed over to Tooth, it's hard not to read those stories with a sense of recollection.  It's interesting that some of the comments about Ezquerra's art at this time have compared it poorly.  Personally I always thought that it was some of his strongest and that the more recent stuff lacks something. 

Not completely surprising considering the gentleman's age.  I suppose as well, it was written for a different audience.  Today's readership has a maturity / sophistication that wasn't expected back then.  That does come through at times with the narrative but perhaps for some of us, nostalgia makes us a little more forgiving.  Pre Tooth it had a bit of a Wild West feel to it at times.  Post Portrait it had a harder political edge to it, laced with black humour.  Galaxy Killers and Journey to Hell seem to be very much trying to find the right voice for the prog, perhaps that is why they seem a bit ''off key".
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Steve Green 10 December, 2017, 04:20:18 PM
A look at any of Carlos' commissions and I would say it's got little to do with age, and more with how much he gets paid on strip work.

You get what you pay for.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Richard 11 December, 2017, 02:37:17 PM
If you’re new to these strips and haven’t delved in yet, avoid  the intro and text article  alike, unless you want spoilers up the wazoo.

I've never understood why people put spoilers in introductions without spoiler warnings. Is it because they assume the only people buying it are fans who have already read the stories before? That seems like a pretty silly assumption. Or is it because they aren't familiar with the story and don't read comics themselves, and so they assume that any story in a comic must be so poorly written that it can't possibly have any interesting moments or unpredictable plot twists so there's nothing to spoil? In which case why are they working in that field?

I used to have a Titan Books collection of "The Complete Judge Child Quest" which had an intro that gave away the twist ending that Dredd leaves the child behind on Xanadu. Fortunately I had already read the story before, but I was still furious on behalf of all the other purchasers of that volume who would not have read it before and who would now never experience the shock of that great ending.

Basically, never, ever, ever, read any kind of introduction to a graphic novel unless and until you've read the whole story.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 11 December, 2017, 02:46:12 PM
It was particularly problematic in the Dredd partwork. "As you'll see in a book you don't have yet, and which is set chronologically before this one, X happens. And in the next book, which you'll get in a year, Y is how it all ends up." Very odd. And, yeah, it does seem written under the assumption you already know. (The Strontium Dog intro does basically say SPOILER ALERT, you'd have to be the world's slowest reader to then not get to the bit where it reveals Alpha gets skewered in The Final Solution.)

Anyway, to reiterate, if you're reading this thread and new to the 2000 AD strips, best to avoid the text bits in the partworks until each series is done.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Colin YNWA 11 December, 2017, 07:51:34 PM
It's another glorious volume...it feels great to get such a long unbrokn run of the strip under one very pretty hardcover. 

Arh man my first adventure into the land of these Hachette collections arrived today with the first Dante volume... and wow if I don't do trades (normally) I'd be back for more of these.

I've made an exception for Dante and the idea that in only 2 1/2 years we'll have a a complete set of the series like this warms the cockles of an old mans heart. Okay the spine will look weird but christ I'm getting over that as I don't image this would exist in any other way.

Such a happy bunny today.

EDIT to say:  Smells bloody great too!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Bolt-01 12 December, 2017, 09:26:07 AM
Colin, I might well be wrong here but if all the Dante volumes are going to be consecutive once the series is done, then the spine will be a small chunk of Boo Cook, not lots of oddly disparate slices.

Or that's how I interpret the release, anyway.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 12 December, 2017, 09:51:31 AM
^^^^
Correct, Dante will be the last nine volumes, 72-80. Sadly Dante isn't on that bit of the spine art!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: TordelBack 12 December, 2017, 10:29:38 AM
EDIT to say:  Smells bloody great too!

Smells like Top Thrills alright.

I've cherry-picked the Dredd collection, but usually for short runs of connected issues (e.g. Armitage, Tour of Duty-Day of Chaos) and the combined spines result in nice little snapshots of the whole, not at all unpleasant - with 9 volumes of Dante, there should be enough visual coherence to even please the eye of a librarian.

I still harbour a desire to letraset a single word description onto the the spine of each volume (e.g. 'Duty 1'), and may yet...
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: gurnard 12 December, 2017, 01:49:50 PM
^^^^
Correct, Dante will be the last nine volumes, 72-80. Sadly Dante isn't on that bit of the spine art!

It will be nice if Dante is consecutive, but I am confused. The first volume has just been released, as issue 8. Or does it mean I will have to wait until 72-80 to get the rest of them?

If we know when they are coming is there a list of the complete set somewhere?  If so anyone got a link?

: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 12 December, 2017, 02:15:57 PM
Issue numbers and volume numbers are not the same.

This should help!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_AD_The_Ultimate_Collection
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: gurnard 13 December, 2017, 02:03:19 PM
Fantastic thanks for the info.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: sintec 14 December, 2017, 09:27:01 AM
For me, the first SD volume has a fun vibrancy to it, particularly the humour with the Gronk. Undoubtedly some of this is nostalgia, but I'd be interested to know if this is a starting point on discovering 2000AD for anyone, and what their thoughts are.

This series is pretty much my intro to 2000AD, beyond reading a few odd bits from a band mates copies of the prog back in the 90s.  Have to say I found vol1 of Stront a bit of a slog, it felt very much of it's time and aimed at a younger audience.  I can understand this has nostalgia value for those who read it "back in the day" but that's a little before my time (Galaxy Killers and Journey to Hell were published before I was born) and reading it for the first time now it feels dated.  Have to say I'm kinda glad we're not getting the even earlier Starlord stuff as well if this vol is an indication of where the strip was back there.

Leading with Kreeler Conspiracy as the first issue of Stront was a good plan on Hachette's part (even if it did lead to a spoiler filled intro).  If Vol1 had been the first issue of Stront we'd received it wouldn't have persuaded me I needed to keep my sub to read the rest.

Dante on the other hand was superb, can't wait to see where that's going in future vols.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Dark Jimbo 14 December, 2017, 09:52:17 AM
Stront improves hugely very quickly. Vol 2 is almost a better intro to the strip than Vol 1, really - if it wasn't for the sole continuity-troubling appearance of the Weerd Brothers I'd have no hesitation about recomnending new readers ignore the numbering and dive right in with 2 before going on to 1. I think once you've read Johnny's origin's in Portrait of a Mutant, not to mention read the classic likes of Gronk Affair, Kid Knee Caper and Moses Incident - plus personal fave The Bad Boys Bust - you're going to be very forgiving and patient of the minor quality blip that is the atypical Galaxy Killers and meandering Journey into Hell (it's only as an intro to the characters and set-up that they clang a bit) and then the likes of Schiklegruber Grab is along not long afterward to get things right back on track.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 14 December, 2017, 10:23:15 AM
Some conflicting information on upcoming books, I had it direct from FB that Zombo will be Issue 17, Volume 55. That book is therefore out 11/04/2018. We also have been told Slaine returns with the following issue 18, on April 25th.

However, when fellow FB enquirer ‎Dan Howard asked about Skizz as well as the Hewligans's Haircut book he was told:
Vol 45 for Skizz/DR & Quinch (no issue number given but say April 2018 release) and Vol 54 for Hewligan’s Haircut (May 2018 release).

I therefore earmarked Skizz for 17, but clearly that isn't right. Looks like 2018 will continue with some corkers  though!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: sintec 14 December, 2017, 11:34:09 AM
With that info we can get a pretty good picture of the final shelf order of the complete set:

01-03    Judge Dredd
04-13    Strontium Dog
14-18    ? [5 vols]
19-22    Nemesis the Warlock
23-28    ABC Warriors
29-41    Sláine
42-44    ? [3 vols]
45         Skizz/DR & Quinch
46         The Ballad of Halo Jones
47-51    Rogue Trooper
52-53    Bad Company
54         Hewligan’s Haircut
55         Zombo
56         ? [1 vol]
57-58    Shakara: The Avenger
59         ? [1 vol]
60-61    Kingdom
62-71    ? [10 vols]
72-80    Nikolai Dante

56 + 59 are clearly going to be either Ampney, Durham, Meltdown or Stickleback.  Also seems likely one of Robo-hunter or Sinister Dexter will be 42-44 given those are both 3 book runs, although I guess this could be one of the remaining single vols and a pair (Ace Trucking Co, Caballistics Inc, Tharg's Future Shocks).  Invasion has to be either somewhere in the 14-18 gap or in the 62-71 gap, placing that would probably give us a better guess at the remainder (anyone got any info on that one?).
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Dark Jimbo 14 December, 2017, 12:14:33 PM
Durham would make most sense as vol.14, no?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: sintec 14 December, 2017, 12:56:37 PM
Durham would make most sense as vol.14, no?

Seems likely - which leaves a nice Invasion sized gap there.  Although that could equally be the remaining single vol and Robo or SinDex, or it could be 2 of Ace Trucking Co, Caballistics Inc and Tharg's Future Shocks.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 15 December, 2017, 01:41:50 PM
Invasion has to be either somewhere in the 14-18 gap or in the 62-71 gap, placing that would probably give us a better guess at the remainder (anyone got any info on that one?).
I asked and was answered:
We can let you now that Invasion is currently planned to be Issue 60, Volume 62 and Savage is currently planned to be Issue 75, Volume 63.
I was trying to find where we got the idea Savage would be four books - I can only find the FB page previously saying that it would be included. But it can only be three at the most due to the next book on the list.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: sintec 15 December, 2017, 02:30:09 PM
But it can only be three at the most due to the next book on the list.

Do we know what vol 65 will be?

Also if Invasion/Savage isn't 4 books then we've got at least 1 mystery title I believe as that would leave us short of the 80.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 15 December, 2017, 03:00:13 PM
Do we know what vol 65 will be?
Well, it's one of two: (https://www.facebook.com/2000ADCollection/posts/1850588905269433?comment_id=1850857028575954&reply_comment_id=1852366398425017&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D)
Volume-wise, Stickleback is Volume 65 and Ampney Crucis Investigates is Volume 65.

Hope this helps!
(not really lol)
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: sintec 15 December, 2017, 03:30:09 PM

Volume-wise, Stickleback is Volume 65 and Ampney Crucis Investigates is Volume 65.

Hope this helps!
(not really lol)

I'd assume they mean 65 and 66.  Which would place Durham and Meltdown as 56 and 59 as those are the only unaccounted for single vols (although if Invasion/Savage is only 3 books we're short one book I believe which messes with that logic somewhat).
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 18 December, 2017, 09:23:52 AM
You can now order Robo-Hunter vol1 (https://hachettepartworks.com/2000-ad-the-ultimate-collection/robo-hunter-volume-1) & Dante 2  (https://hachettepartworks.com/2000-ad-the-ultimate-collection/nikolai-dante-volume-2)from Hachette:

(https://hachettepartworks.com/Content/Products/0c6fa677-ea70-47f0-adb8-ebd6216dd6e0.jpg)(https://hachettepartworks.com/Content/Products/f73964c2-298e-413e-a508-7619d034e5d5.jpg)
Robo-Hunter: Volume 1
Issue 11
Released: 17/01/2018

Sam Slade is a Robo-Hunter – a 22nd Century Private Detective specialising in tracking down defective droids, missing meks and unruly androids. Coupled with his trusty robometer Cutie and blaster in hand, he’s the man to hire when you’ve got a robot problem. But when he’s tasked with investigating what’s become of the colonists on the planet Verdus, he may have finally bitten off more than he can chew..
Nikolai Dante: Volume 2
Issue 12
Released: 31/01/2018

Nikolai Dante, bastard son of Dmitri Romanov, is now fully immersed in the dynasty that he’s discovered he’s a part of. But this is a family like no other, and as Nikolai gets to know his half-siblings he learns just how dangerous they are. With war looming, it’s time for Dante to pick his alliances carefully...
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 18 December, 2017, 09:48:12 AM
Invasion has to be either somewhere in the 14-18 gap or in the 62-71 gap, placing that would probably give us a better guess at the remainder (anyone got any info on that one?).
I asked and was answered:
We can let you now that Invasion is currently planned to be Issue 60, Volume 62 and Savage is currently planned to be Issue 75, Volume 63.
I was trying to find where we got the idea Savage would be four books - I can only find the FB page previously saying that it would be included. But it can only be three at the most due to the next book on the list.

Update on this: only one Savage book!

This means there are two empty slots in the original 80 once again. What has been missed so far?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: JeffreyMT 18 December, 2017, 11:41:56 AM
Where is Rogue Trooper!!?
Seems strange to be on second Dante/SD/Nemesis books before a volume of Rogue?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 18 December, 2017, 12:02:01 PM
Where is Rogue Trooper!!?
Seems strange to be on second Dante/SD/Nemesis books before a volume of Rogue?
Rogue Vol 1 is issue 14 (28/02/2018), after the first book of ABC Warriors.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: karlos 18 December, 2017, 12:54:02 PM
Did anyone else see SMS's posts on FB re: getting ahold of his original ABC Warriors: Black Hole pages so they can be cleaned up for the Ult. Collection?

: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 18 December, 2017, 01:14:17 PM
This means there are two empty slots in the original 80 once again. What has been missed so far?
Potentially enables a full run of Stickleback and Zombo. Or perhaps a third Kingdom. Or, I guess, one of the other series is getting a book more than we thought (ABC Warriors; Bad Company; or – shudder – Sláine).
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 18 December, 2017, 02:41:34 PM
Did anyone else see SMS's posts on FB re: getting ahold of his original ABC Warriors: Black Hole pages so they can be cleaned up for the Ult. Collection?
Woah! I have the three Mek Files books to date & did think reading those that his pages could have looked better. Got a link?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: karlos 18 December, 2017, 03:20:59 PM

Woah! I have the three Mek Files books to date & did think reading those that his pages could have looked better. Got a link?
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Sorry, Tomwe - it was a FB post that popped up (not sure how I got it, TBH) with a sample of just how bad the Mek Files repro of his art was, compared to the originals.

I understand that SMS got "some" of his original art back.  Hopefully, he got it all back!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 18 December, 2017, 04:52:42 PM
Sorry, Tomwe - it was a FB post that popped up (not sure how I got it, TBH) with a sample of just how bad the Mek Files repro of his art was, compared to the originals.
I understand that SMS got "some" of his original art back.  Hopefully, he got it all back!
Here's one (https://www.facebook.com/SmuzzArtistSMS/posts/453918708337052)
More shennanigans with the Remastering of the ABC Warriors 'Black Hole' reprint.
'Cause I'm now re-scanning printed matter rather than original art,there's more fiddling with Contrast and avoiding the images being a bit 'blurry' (weirdly, although 'flatter' than the original art, the printed matter tends to be less sharp).
So - some re-darkening and re-lighting of elements is required...
And,. that means fighting the urge to alter stuff ...
In this page, I've completely given in ...
The cental panel always had this rather curious space which featured an ergonomic chair... Whilst I was drawing this, I LIKED the ergonomic chair and just left it there... But it must be confessed, this does leave the reader thinking "Is this an IKEA catalogue?'... and that is surely "Not the 2000AD Way".
So, in the Remastered page, that chair is obscured by another item which - hopefully - has a little more meaning to the Reader.
Enjoy.

(https://scontent.fbrs1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/24131281_453916801670576_4666353170458325631_n.jpg?oh=1311f71cb931710d282d460b4d79cebe&oe=5A8907FC)(https://scontent.fbrs1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/24176884_453916825003907_8773242784444610452_n.jpg?oh=5dc0191896601b9c25652fe53c914416&oe=5AD6DF04)
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 18 December, 2017, 05:01:41 PM
Well if that isn't a complete turnup for the books, and a definite reason to 'double dip' on ABC Warriors for the Ultimate Collection.

I suggest Squaxx follow my link above and have a bit of a read on Smuzz's page.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Jade Falcon 18 December, 2017, 08:09:29 PM
One book for Savage, so what is going to be in it as I already have the trades of Invasion, the Guvnor and Taking Liberties.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Swerty 18 December, 2017, 11:50:45 PM
Where is Rogue Trooper!!?
Seems strange to be on second Dante/SD/Nemesis books before a volume of Rogue?
Rogue Vol 1 is issue 14 (28/02/2018), after the first book of ABC Warriors.

Can someone update the list of releases.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 19 December, 2017, 10:04:20 AM
Slightly larger than usual package today, with ‘fragile’ written across it:

Future Shock shiny disc.

#9: Nemesis 2 (vol 20): Gothic Empire; Ego Trip; Vengeance of Thoth; Torquemurder.

The repro here is OK. Some slightly dark pages in places, and quite a few that are overly light, with lost details.

#10: Judge Dredd 2 (vol 2): essentially the Ezquerra leftovers volume – Fungus (colour spreads):The Prankster; The Starborn Thing; Condo; Kirby's Demon; The Amazing Ant-Man; Young Giant; an oddly out of context Return of the King; Christmas with Attitude; The Time Machine; Behold the Beast; Beat the Devil.

I can't imagine too many people will be disappointed by that selection.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 19 December, 2017, 10:28:33 AM
Slightly larger than usual package today, with ‘fragile’ written across it:

Glad to hear the package is on its way!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: karlos 19 December, 2017, 10:59:59 AM
Well found, Tomwe!
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: sintec 19 December, 2017, 11:14:29 AM
an oddly out of context Return of the King;

What would I need to get the context for that story?  Is it just the Necropolis vol from the mega collection?
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Dark Jimbo 19 December, 2017, 11:16:05 AM
#9: Nemesis 2 (vol 20): Gothic Empire; Ego Trip; Vengeance of Thoth.

Oh. Is that all?  :(
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: IndigoPrime 19 December, 2017, 12:01:09 PM
What would I need to get the context for that story?  Is it just the Necropolis vol from the mega collection?
Yes. It's essentially an epilogue.

#9: Nemesis 2 (vol 20): Gothic Empire; Ego Trip; Vengeance of Thoth.
Oh. Is that all?  :(
I've since edited. This book is essentially books 4–6.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe 19 December, 2017, 01:03:29 PM
The first pair of books to line up next to each other on the shelf and we have a bit of duplication, sadly.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRaUSGaXUAAMc5T.jpg)
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Arkady 19 December, 2017, 01:06:10 PM
^^^

Gah that sucks. My (signed) copy of Vol.11 is slightly misprinted too - the spine image is slightly too far to the right leaving a black line running down the left hand side.
: Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
: Tomwe <