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2000 AD => News => Topic started by: sheridan on 04 December, 2017, 12:47:32 pm

Title: 25 Years of Rebellion
Post by: sheridan on 04 December, 2017, 12:47:32 pm
Metro: 25 years of Rebellion (http://metro.co.uk/2017/12/04/25-years-of-rebellion-from-alien-vs-predator-to-2000-ad-and-beyond-7129407/).


Interestingly, the following quote from Jason (referring to the Rebellion era, obviously - not the half a million or more early IPC days):
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Flatteringly, we’ve got more readers than ever, we’re releasing content digitally now so we’re reaching a much broader audience worldwide.


Also - In noticed there was an early adventure gamebook (http://amzn.to/2klcQwC), illustrated by Jon Davis - any relation to Jon Davis-Hunt?
Title: Re: 25 Years of Rebellion
Post by: Colin YNWA on 04 December, 2017, 01:07:25 pm
Beat me to it. Have to say that line (the one quoted) and "Sale are up..." open to all sorts of interpretations but hey it all sounds very positive!

Very reassuring read and for those hankerign after news of the telly show there's stuff in there to get all of a tizzy about. Nothing concrete on any level, but then that's never stopped folks!
Title: Re: 25 Years of Rebellion
Post by: sheridan on 04 December, 2017, 01:17:17 pm
Beat me to it. Have to say that line (the one quoted) and "Sale are up..." open to all sorts of interpretations but hey it all sounds very positive!

Very reassuring read and for those hankerign after news of the telly show there's stuff in there to get all of a tizzy about. Nothing concrete on any level, but then that's never stopped folks!

Initially I assumed it meant print+digital progs (and megs) are up, but now you mention it, it could refer to reprints and collected editions...
Title: Re: 25 Years of Rebellion
Post by: IndigoPrime on 04 December, 2017, 01:19:32 pm
17 years of Rebellion ownership. I can't imagine 2000 AD would be anything more than a fond memory these days if it wasn't for the Kingsleys. And now they're even bringing back the likes of Faceache in lush reprint volumes.

So many happy returns, Rebellion, and may you continue for another 25 and beyond.
Title: Re: 25 Years of Rebellion
Post by: The Monarch on 04 December, 2017, 03:54:44 pm
hey remember the shambles their reprints were at first i am sooo glad they are amazing now but that eurocrash business still stings hard

saying that who knows if we would still be here now if rebellion didn't own the comic now so i always be grateful for that
Title: Re: 25 Years of Rebellion
Post by: Bolt-01 on 04 December, 2017, 04:40:49 pm
The main thing I took from that interview (and the others I've read over the years) was that the Kingsleys come over as really well-rounded individuals with a down-to-earth attitude.
Title: Re: 25 Years of Rebellion
Post by: dweezil2 on 04 December, 2017, 06:04:51 pm
Fine fellas those Kingsley's and Rebellion deserves all the success it's had.
Unquestionably they saved 2000AD from oblivion and for that we should be eternally grateful!  :thumbsup:

Title: Re: 25 Years of Rebellion
Post by: Mardroid on 04 December, 2017, 06:11:04 pm
Metro: 25 years of Rebellion (http://metro.co.uk/2017/12/04/25-years-of-rebellion-from-alien-vs-predator-to-2000-ad-and-beyond-7129407/).


Interestingly, the following quote from Jason (referring to the Rebellion era, obviously - not the half a million or more early IPC days):
Quote
Flatteringly, we’ve got more readers than ever, we’re releasing content digitally now so we’re reaching a much broader audience worldwide.


Also - In noticed there was an early adventure gamebook (http://amzn.to/2klcQwC), illustrated by Jon Davis - any relation to Jon Davis-Hunt?

After clicking on that link I had a bunch of window pop up showing pornographic content including a couple of videos my eyes can't unsee. (Flashing up on screen too, straight away.) Oh my goodness! My eyes, my eyes...  :lol:

 I got a virus warning too.

Not entirely sure it's that site, mind you. I did download an Android app. from a website outside the Play store* earlier today. (A url provided for new smartphone communications software.)

Back on topic:Yay Kingsleys and Rebellion.

*Ironically the girls in those videos were playing... sort of... I shall say no more.
Title: Re: 25 Years of Rebellion
Post by: dweezil2 on 04 December, 2017, 06:44:38 pm
Metro: 25 years of Rebellion (http://metro.co.uk/2017/12/04/25-years-of-rebellion-from-alien-vs-predator-to-2000-ad-and-beyond-7129407/).


Interestingly, the following quote from Jason (referring to the Rebellion era, obviously - not the half a million or more early IPC days):
Quote
Flatteringly, we’ve got more readers than ever, we’re releasing content digitally now so we’re reaching a much broader audience worldwide.


Also - In noticed there was an early adventure gamebook (http://amzn.to/2klcQwC), illustrated by Jon Davis - any relation to Jon Davis-Hunt?

After clicking on that link I had a bunch of window pop up showing pornographic content including a couple of videos my eyes can't unsee. (Flashing up on screen too, straight away.) Oh my goodness! My eyes, my eyes...  :lol:

 I got a virus warning too.

Not entirely sure it's that site, mind you. I did download an Android app. from a website outside the Play store* earlier today. (A url provided for new smartphone communications software.)

Back on topic:Yay Kingsleys and Rebellion.

*Ironically the girls in those videos were playing... sort of... I shall say no more.

You're Damian Green and I claim my £5!!!!!  :lol:
Title: Re: 25 Years of Rebellion
Post by: IndigoPrime on 04 December, 2017, 08:25:10 pm
hey remember the shambles their reprints were at first i am sooo glad they are amazing now but that eurocrash business still stings hard
I don't know what you mean by "Eurocrash business". As for the reprints, they weren't a shambles initially, but they were limited in scope by various factors, not least print/paper quality of the time, scanning technology, and the deal with DC. Once they started doing things purely themselves, it's really been onwards and upwards. And, sure, not everything is perfect, and nor does everyone always get the stories they want, but years back I couldn't have imagined seeing the sheer range of content that's now available.
Title: Re: 25 Years of Rebellion
Post by: The Monarch on 05 December, 2017, 12:26:40 am
they did a trade of eurocrash which skipped the entirety of downlode tales which had the unfortunate effect of having sin and dex splitting up forevers on one page and then back together on the next.
Title: Re: 25 Years of Rebellion
Post by: IndigoPrime on 05 December, 2017, 08:39:28 am
Not so much a shambles as a result of that line just not selling well enough to justify a complete run. A synopsis wouldn’t have gone amiss, mind.
Title: Re: 25 Years of Rebellion
Post by: Richard on 05 December, 2017, 09:17:15 am
The number of graphic novels Rebellion puts out each year is phenomenal. We never had that in the '90s. It's hard to imagine any other company putting out the Complete Case Files for 30+ volumes. And 2000AD wouldn't still be around if it wasn't for them. I'm delighted with them.

My only gripe is that if Rebellion is still publishing 2000AD when I die, then my complete collection of progs will become incomplete almost immediately.
Title: Re: 25 Years of Rebellion
Post by: IAMTHESYSTEM on 05 December, 2017, 09:54:02 am
I wonder what 2000AD will be like in 25 years time in 2042? Will it still be thrill power and how will we be viewing our weekly Prog? Some futurists claim we'll have a direct link to the Internet in our heads by then so maybe it will beam right inside our skulls. Anyway here's to 25 years of Rebellion thrill power and long may it continue.
Title: Re: 25 Years of Rebellion
Post by: jacob g on 05 December, 2017, 10:08:55 am
Beat me to it. Have to say that line (the one quoted) and "Sale are up..." open to all sorts of interpretations but hey it all sounds very positive!

Very reassuring read and for those hankerign after news of the telly show there's stuff in there to get all of a tizzy about. Nothing concrete on any level, but then that's never stopped folks!

Initially I assumed it meant print+digital progs (and megs) are up, but now you mention it, it could refer to reprints and collected editions...

Maybe it's the same situation like with some US mainstream titles. Two years ago I had some small talks with few creators from Marvel and they were somewhat frustrated because of the comichron statistics people seems to think than many Marvel books struggle with sales, because comichron sales doesn't count digital sales. And from what I know many "new" books (like Ms Marvel, Squirrel Girl, etc) have strong digital following and justify why no one in Marvel wants to cancell them.
Title: Re: 25 Years of Rebellion
Post by: IndigoPrime on 05 December, 2017, 11:24:02 am
My understanding on talking to some people in digital comics a few years ago is that even then there were massive changes happening. Younglings have a diminishing interest in paper, and even permanence. One guy running a prominent comics app said his daughter – to his delight – loved comics, but she had no interest whatsoever in collecting them, and didn't even care about a digital catalogue. His point was with such an abundance of material available, why bother even keeping files around? The future, he assumed, wouldn't be wildly different from Netflix or Spotify, depending on the model various companies fancied pursuing.

But in 25 years, I can't see there being much of a market for paper comics. Paper books might still survive – they're still popular now, even among kids. But comics seem like something that's going to be entirely within the digital realm sooner or later.
Title: Re: 25 Years of Rebellion
Post by: Link Prime on 05 December, 2017, 12:14:07 pm
Younglings have a diminishing interest in paper

And in paying for things I fear.

Regarding digital sales- never understood the secrecy about it.
Do any comic publishers release their digital sales figures?

Title: Re: 25 Years of Rebellion
Post by: Link Prime on 05 December, 2017, 12:18:07 pm
My only gripe is that if Rebellion is still publishing 2000AD when I die, then my complete collection of progs will become incomplete almost immediately.

You will be outlived by;

2000AD
Star Wars movies
Proudhuff
Title: Re: 25 Years of Rebellion
Post by: IndigoPrime on 05 December, 2017, 02:39:18 pm
And in paying for things I fear.
To some extent, and in certain ways. But it's interesting talking to my brother in law about this. He lives in Iceland, and there, media is astonishingly expensive and relatively hard to come by. (DVDs would be priced at £30+ each, and CDs at around 20. Discounting happened, but not often, and nowhere to the level seen in the UK or USA.) Unsurprisingly, much of his generation acquired content by dodgy means. Today, everyone's armed with a Spotify and Netflix account. They're well aware they're not giving artists a great deal of cash through those, but it's something. And I see the same here. The question is how you monetise above that – gigs or direct sales (Bandcamp, say) for musicians; nice trades/hardbacks for comics; rentals for films; and who-knows-what? for newspapers and magazines.
Title: Re: 25 Years of Rebellion
Post by: The Adventurer on 05 December, 2017, 11:09:16 pm
Younglings have a diminishing interest in paper

And in paying for things I fear.


If comics were 4 American dollars a pop in the 90s I wouldn’t have had much interest in paying for them either.
Title: Re: 25 Years of Rebellion
Post by: TordelBack on 06 December, 2017, 06:09:37 am
Not so much a shambles as a result of that line just not selling well enough to justify a complete run. A synopsis wouldn’t have gone amiss, mind.

Ir was a fairly complete reprint of that run of Sin Dex - just mistakenly omitted Downlode Tales 'cos it was a 'different'  series. That'll teach Abnett to try the clever stuff.
Title: Re: 25 Years of Rebellion
Post by: Tjm86 on 06 December, 2017, 07:48:58 am
If comics were 4 American dollars a pop in the 90s I wouldn’t have had much interest in paying for them either.

TBH even today at $4 a pop it's hard to maintain the interest, particularly considering the quality.  Even at it's worst, Tooth always has something to justify the cover price and comparatively speaking there has been very little movement in price in recent years.  Arguably it's far better value for money.

Rebellion's growing move into the nostalgia market is also a great thing.  Granted, as has been said, there have been a few missteps but overall things have gone well.  I do wish they'd expand the niche bookplate range but then again I can understand their caution.  DC complete overdid the Absolute range and it lost it's kudos.  Sparingly moving makes sense, especially considering the size of the market.
Title: Re: 25 Years of Rebellion
Post by: jacob g on 06 December, 2017, 09:18:36 am
Younglings have a diminishing interest in paper

And in paying for things I fear.

It's not that morbid. Even if "kids" (ech) pirate books they usualy go for other licensed merchindise. They still consider themselves as fans and as fans they are clients for mugs, shirts, pins and whatever useless crap we also collect. It's full circle.
Title: Re: 25 Years of Rebellion
Post by: IndigoPrime on 06 December, 2017, 12:05:34 pm
Ir was a fairly complete reprint of that run of Sin Dex - just mistakenly omitted Downlode Tales 'cos it was a 'different'  series. That'll teach Abnett to try the clever stuff.
You make the assumption that it was a cock-up. Given that Sin/Dex sales were seemingly never stellar, to the point the series ended up mostly getting reprinted in Meg floppies, I suspect it was more down to "this book might actually be viable".
Title: Re: 25 Years of Rebellion
Post by: Richard on 06 December, 2017, 01:41:10 pm
Even if they did it on purpose, it was still an error. To leave out such a big chunk of story so that what is left doesn't make any sense was a mad thing to do.
Title: Re: 25 Years of Rebellion
Post by: GrudgeJohnDeed on 06 December, 2017, 03:29:36 pm
Amazing article!! Their story makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside. Really enjoyed hearing all the details about how 2000ad relates to their games output too, well done that interviewer. I look forward to more 2000ad games!

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JK: Didn’t they have it from Activision from Fox, or something like that? ‘Cause they’d done the Lynx sideways-scrolling beat ’em-up… [It’s unclear what is being referenced here, but it’s likely to be Capcom’s coin-op game Alien Vs. Predator – GC]

I think they must be talking about the 1993 belt-scroller AVP game on SNES developed by Jorudan and published by Activision. Maybe it was getting a Lynx port at some point? Despite being the same genre, franchise and contemporaneous it's formally unrelated to the much superior 1994 Capcom arcade hit, which was entirely developed and published by Capcom afaik and came out only a few months earlier than Rebellion's game.