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: Steve Green 06 April, 2018, 09:51:31 AM
Karl Urban hasn't found any heroes yet...

http://deadline.com/2018/04/the-boys-karl-urban-cast-amazon-superhero-drama-series-billy-butcher-1202359273/ (http://deadline.com/2018/04/the-boys-karl-urban-cast-amazon-superhero-drama-series-billy-butcher-1202359273/)
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: sheridan 06 April, 2018, 01:13:42 PM
Karl Urban hasn't found any heroes yet...

http://deadline.com/2018/04/the-boys-karl-urban-cast-amazon-superhero-drama-series-billy-butcher-1202359273/ (http://deadline.com/2018/04/the-boys-karl-urban-cast-amazon-superhero-drama-series-billy-butcher-1202359273/)

I'm not familiar with The Boys so had a quick google - is Butcher the one who looks like Simon Pegg?
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: Batman's Superior Cousin 06 April, 2018, 01:31:24 PM
Karl Urban hasn't found any heroes yet...

http://deadline.com/2018/04/the-boys-karl-urban-cast-amazon-superhero-drama-series-billy-butcher-1202359273/ (http://deadline.com/2018/04/the-boys-karl-urban-cast-amazon-superhero-drama-series-billy-butcher-1202359273/)

I'm not familiar with The Boys so had a quick google - is Butcher the one who looks like Simon Pegg?


Beahahahaha, no!! That's Wee Hughie, Butcher's the big white tough looking sociopathic Co-founder & leader of the Boys.
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: IAMTHESYSTEM 06 April, 2018, 03:46:18 PM
 Haven't read Gareth Ennis's The Boys so will check up on it. Good news for Amazon but possibly bad news for Dredd fans.
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: Smith 06 April, 2018, 05:20:48 PM
Karl Urban hasn't found any heroes yet...
Isnt that Marshal Law?
Imo Stormwatch team Achiles us the best work on the theme.
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: Steve Green 06 April, 2018, 05:24:39 PM
Yes, it was a comment on the similarities.
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: Richard 07 April, 2018, 02:12:52 PM
Why isn’t Simon Pegg in this, FFS?
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: rogue69 07 October, 2018, 09:48:51 AM
Simon Pegg has been announce as Wee Hugie's Fatherin this
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: TordelBack 07 October, 2018, 10:18:10 AM
Simon Pegg has been announce as Wee Hugie's Fatherin this

Brilliant!  Hopefully this means they'll incorporate the Wee Hughie smuggler spin-off miniseries at some point,  which I loved. The Boys is one of my favourite Ennis works (far more so than the gauche machismo of Preacher), and if they can get the tone right it could make great TV.
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: Richard 07 October, 2018, 11:35:16 AM
That's good news.
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: Steve Green 07 October, 2018, 11:36:30 AM
There is a teaser here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx7zSgoVJZI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx7zSgoVJZI)
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: JayzusB.Christ 07 October, 2018, 11:39:23 AM
Simon Pegg has been announce as Wee Hugie's Fatherin this

The Boys is one of my favourite Ennis works (far more so than the gauche machismo of Preacher), and if they can get the tone right it could make great TV.

With you all the way there, TB.  For all the sick humour and censor-baiting anti-PC sex and violence, The Boys has a far more sophisticated and engaging plot than Preacher does, and Wee Hughie, Butcher and the gang are much more likeable than Jesse (at least Butcher's macho-man bullyboy bastardy isn't presented as some kind of all-American, clean-cut, old-time heroism).

Really looking forward to this. Hopefully they'll keep it close to the comics.

EDIT - just looked at the teaser; looks absolutely perfect so far.  Just hope Karl isn't too busy being Butcher to be Dredd too.
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: TordelBack 07 October, 2018, 11:50:40 AM
There is a teaser here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx7zSgoVJZI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx7zSgoVJZI)

Oh I'll have a bit of that!  Not entirely sure about Our Karl as Butcher, but then I wasn't sure about him as Eomer,  Bones or Dredd either and that seemed to work out okay...

If they get Maeve right I'll be very impressed, but casting McElligott is a good start.
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: dweezil2 07 October, 2018, 04:05:33 PM
Having the superhero genre mercilessly ridiculed is worth the admission price alone, having Karl Urban involved is just the cherry on top!  :D
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: sheridan 07 October, 2018, 07:56:31 PM
There is a teaser here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx7zSgoVJZI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx7zSgoVJZI)

Oh I'll have a bit of that!  Not entirely sure about Our Karl as Butcher, but then I wasn't sure about him as Eomer,  Bones or Dredd either and that seemed to work out okay...


I still think it's amazing that one actor plays three such different characters, and does so so well!
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: Dandontdare 08 October, 2018, 11:55:27 AM
This may be enough to tempt me back to Amazon prime
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: moogie101 09 October, 2018, 03:33:04 PM
Love the comics & that teaser genuinely made me smile at the end. If done right this could be superb.
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: Proudhuff 21 November, 2018, 12:55:37 PM
Any further word on this?
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: Proudhuff 29 November, 2018, 01:17:41 PM
That will be a no then  :lol:
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: JayzusB.Christ 05 December, 2018, 05:43:42 PM
Any further word on this?

They want you to play Monkey.
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: Proudhuff 06 December, 2018, 11:42:52 AM
Do I get my own cloud?

(https://images.ecosia.org/ShUHCJVpH1ilwX_sGMoy0eMJZJU=/0x390/smart/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.visiontimes.com%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F01%2FScreen-Shot-2015-01-26-at-1.10.36-AM.png)
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: TordelBack 06 December, 2018, 01:52:00 PM
Any further word on this?

They want you to play Monkey.

I was thinking he'd be better suited to playing Wee Hughie's landlord.
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: JayzusB.Christ 07 December, 2018, 01:30:29 PM
Do I get my own cloud?



Only by blowing on your wagging finger.
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: rogue69 24 January, 2019, 08:29:52 PM
A new trailer has been released
https://comicbook.com/tv-shows/2019/01/24/the-boys-trailer-amazon-tv-series-2019/
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: JayzusB.Christ 26 January, 2019, 05:59:45 PM
Sounds like Hughie's a yank here. Ah well, I can live with that. Still looks very promising
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: Richard 26 January, 2019, 08:36:07 PM
I hope it's better than the Preacher tv show, but it's made by the same people.
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: JayzusB.Christ 27 January, 2019, 03:05:34 PM
I gave up on Preacher halfway through the second series. But then, the source material got on my tits a bit too.

At least there's a few f-bombs thrown about in that The Boys trailer.  The Preacher series seemed a bit odd without them.  I know swearing isn't big or clever or necessary for a good show, but, well, it's Preacher.
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: Richard 27 January, 2019, 04:52:06 PM
The trouble with Preacher is that most of the source material is fantastic, but the TV people chose the most boring stories from the comic -- Odin Quincannon, and all the stuff in New Orleans. Then they made up a whole sub-plot about Arseface and Hitler which wasn't in the comic and  was boring and added nothing. Bizarre choices, and a squandered opportunity.
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: Funt Solo 27 January, 2019, 05:52:54 PM
For me, Preacher was all about movement: a road comic.  That the series chose to ground it in a single location speaks to a studios need for a core cast & a set that doesn't shift around too much.  Which is all fine, but it's not really Preacher.
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: JayzusB.Christ 29 January, 2019, 07:41:10 PM
Not too worried here about Hughie not being Scottish (Simon Pegg playing his dad makes me happy enough) but I really hope Butcher still talks like Michael Caine.  Otherwise he'll just be another Negan.
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: rogue69 18 March, 2019, 11:17:46 PM
the world premier of the Boys is to be held as part of the 2019 Tribca tv festival on April 29th at 8:45 PM,  at the SVA Theatre New York
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: rogue69 17 April, 2019, 10:33:36 PM
Amazon have announced the release date of 26 July 2019 & have put up a 1 minute teaser up on Prime today
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: IAMTHESYSTEM 18 April, 2019, 08:47:48 AM
Some tough stuff here so you've been warned — New Trailer for the Boys.

https://youtu.be/CD46c08MsHg
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: Proudhuff 18 April, 2019, 11:13:04 AM
can't access at work....maybe just as well  :lol:

As the only punter around here who liked Preacher on Telly, I'm looking forward to this, also the new Bosch on Friday 
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: Richard 18 April, 2019, 11:24:43 AM
That looks amazing! I have high hopes for this.
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: TordelBack 18 April, 2019, 11:35:17 AM
Go out on a limb here and say that is tonally perfect.  The gore even looks like Darick gore! Fingers crossed it's a good'un.
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: Tiplodocus 18 April, 2019, 05:39:40 PM
I'm on board for that.

Until I'm not.
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: Proudhuff 18 April, 2019, 06:29:08 PM
I'm on board for that.

Until I'm not.

This isn't the Jocks xmas pint thread...
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: JayzusB.Christ 20 April, 2019, 09:15:29 PM
Butcher's got the correct accent.  That's a genuine relief for me.
Can't wait for this
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: Dr Feeley Good 21 April, 2019, 12:17:16 PM
Never read the comic, the trailer looks good though, though as someone mentioned earlier very similar storyline to Marshal Law!
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: rogue69 25 May, 2019, 07:18:05 PM
Just been to a preview of episode one & I feel that it keeps to the style of the original comics the death of Hughie's girlfriend will have you laughing and grossed at the same time & sets the tone for the rest of the episode. Definitely one to watch
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: JayzusB.Christ 25 May, 2019, 08:44:33 PM
Sweet! Honestly can't wait. 
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: Dandontdare 09 July, 2019, 05:21:13 PM
New teaser trailer added to Amazon ... 26 July folks!

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/video/detail/B07QRYD5SS/ref=atv_hm_hom_3_c_HdZNg2_06NJcp_1_2 (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/video/detail/B07QRYD5SS/ref=atv_hm_hom_3_c_HdZNg2_06NJcp_1_2)
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: shaolin_monkey 09 July, 2019, 06:23:27 PM
Really looking forward to this! Karl’s accent is a bit weird, but whatever.
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: zombemybabynow 10 July, 2019, 06:32:20 AM
Wasn't sure about urban's accent either. Nor did Frenchie sound very French but still very excited. Wondering if the b'low job scene
Will actually be included?!
Ps. If you haven't read the comics - DO. They're f@@king brilliant
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: Dandontdare 10 July, 2019, 01:45:42 PM
Wondering if the b'low job scene
Will actually be included?!

If you mean when he blows the back of the girl's head off, then yes, it's in the teaser. The gore and violence is very graphic.
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: zombemybabynow 10 July, 2019, 03:37:55 PM
no i mean when the 7 guys make the new superheroine [who ends up dating hughy] - give them all head as an initiation
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: Dandontdare 10 July, 2019, 05:19:13 PM
Not sure, but I'd say it's highly likely - doesn't look like they're pulling any punches.
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: Woolly 10 July, 2019, 05:45:53 PM
no i mean when the 7 guys make the new superheroine [who ends up dating hughy] - give them all head as an initiation

Seriously? Thats in the comic?
I won't be reading that then. Or watching it.
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: Jim_Campbell 10 July, 2019, 05:49:22 PM
Seriously? Thats in the comic?
I won't be reading that then. Or watching it.

Garth demonstrating those impeccable feminist credentials of his again…?
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: Tiplodocus 10 July, 2019, 05:54:31 PM
I read it as (and I am pretty sure it is author's intent) sexual assault and wrong, wrong, wrong though Even I can think of better ways to get the same story points across without resorting to stuff that some people will still see as titillation. So hopefully  the showrunners can too.

Memory may be wrong - long time since I read it.

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: TordelBack 10 July, 2019, 06:42:45 PM
It's a critical event in the comic, and its impact on the character and indeed her sole female colleague creates several major story points and character moments (e.g. PoV character Wee Hughie utterly fails in his all-too believable male reaction to learning about it). It's not played for laughs or titillation, but obviously i don't know how the TV version will handle that.

The Boys comic is indeed Ennis's usual gross-out comedy violence, but it's also quite a hard-hitting parable about real-world power and what such enormous imbalance means. This is the context for Starlight's "initiation". 

I actually think it's his most nuanced work, and definitely my favourite of his. But it does depend on extreme violence and degradation,sexual and scatological humour, so I don't think it's for everyone.
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: Jim_Campbell 10 July, 2019, 06:54:37 PM
Fair enough. I haven’t read this, and it was a flippant remark. I’ve actively avoided Ennis’ work for many years because I find much of his humour puerile and his recurring anal rape motifs often veered alarmingly close to homophobia for me.

But if this plays as you say, then my snark was misplaced, and is withdrawn.
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: TordelBack 10 July, 2019, 07:26:37 PM
Oh I could be reading it completely wrong, have no fear. I've grown to dislike a lot of Garth's stuff over the years, Preacher in particular sliding ever-lower in my opinions, but despite many of the same sadistic tropes and a heavy debt to Marshal Law, The Boys really grabbed me .
 
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: Richard 10 July, 2019, 10:02:53 PM
It deals with the issues #Metoo raised several years before that happened. I think it's likely that the tv people will make it topical like that.
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: JayzusB.Christ 10 July, 2019, 10:15:36 PM
Oh I could be reading it completely wrong, have no fear. I've grown to dislike a lot of Garth's stuff over the years, Preacher in particular sliding ever-lower in my opinions, but despite many of the same sadistic tropes and a heavy debt to Marshal Law, The Boys really grabbed me .

Very much this ☝, especially regarding Preacher  (whose worst crime is to treat the protagonist, a bullying, narcissistic gobshite, as some kind of Randian demigod).

The Boys is what changed my view of Garth Ennis.  The storyline is infinitely more sophisticated than that of Preacher, and ita characters way more complex.  There are certainly events in it that gave my liberal sensibilities a bit of a jolt but it's worth it for a rip-roaring madhouse of a comic with genuine cleverness and wit behind the sex, gore and explosions.
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: zombemybabynow 11 July, 2019, 11:45:44 AM
Seriously? Thats in the comic?
I won't be reading that then. Or watching it.

Yup - it's hardcore violence, hardcore sex-stuff

I read it when it came out and due to it being a comic book, the gore didn't really affect me - whereas the tv trailer was yucksville

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: rogue69 20 July, 2019, 09:04:58 AM
season 2 has been confirmed
highlights from the SDCC talk

https://www.facebook.com/TheBoysTV/videos/477996522964140/
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: Tiplodocus 23 July, 2019, 08:30:20 PM
A final trailer popped up on YouTube. Cautiously optimistic.
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: IAMTHESYSTEM 23 July, 2019, 09:28:19 PM
It's class war disguised a Superhero's vs the norms. I'm looking forward to seeing this though it does look a bit OTT gore wise which can be a turn off for some viewers.
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: JayzusB.Christ 23 July, 2019, 10:09:42 PM
It's class war disguised a Superhero's vs the norms.

I never thought of that. Bang on the button, though.  The Homelander : blond, rich, vain and self-obsessed, caring very little for the ordinary people he purports to be saving; a little bit like... ah, never mind.
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: IAMTHESYSTEM 23 July, 2019, 10:46:03 PM
It's class war disguised a Superhero's vs the norms.

I never thought of that. Bang on the button, though.  The Homelander : blond, rich, vain and self-obsessed, caring very little for the ordinary people he purports to be saving; a little bit like... ah, never mind.

 :lol: :lol: :lol:
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: broodblik 26 July, 2019, 08:24:11 PM
Watch the first episode and enjoyed quite a lot. So far so good  :thumbsup:
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: rogue69 26 July, 2019, 09:20:24 PM
All 8 episode now up on Amazon Prime
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: Dandontdare 26 July, 2019, 11:59:02 PM
Just watched the first ep, and fuck yeh!

Well adapted without losing anything essential - I think it was a good idea to show Hughie and Starlight's stories before Butcher is introduced, but my only gripe is where the fuck he's supposed to come from. He starts in South Africa, takes a whistlestop tour of the South East of England, with the occasional leap to the antipodes, and I'm  not quite sure where we've landed.
Best bit - Simon Pegg as Hughie's dad!

right - ep2 queued....
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: moly 27 July, 2019, 11:19:20 AM
Watched the 1st episode last night enjoyed it but Urbans accent is aweful actually said To my wife about his Aussie accent and she said he was cockney that's why they played London calling
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: BPP 27 July, 2019, 12:05:12 PM
Fair enough. I haven’t read this, and it was a flippant remark. I’ve actively avoided Ennis’ work for many years because I find much of his humour puerile and his recurring anal rape motifs often veered alarmingly close to homophobia for me.

But if this plays as you say, then my snark was misplaced, and is withdrawn.

There is no doubt Ennis knows how to push buttons and doesn’t shy from stories dealing with sexual violence but his Dear Billy 4 parter from War Stories is one of the most devastating and tender accounts of the harm sexual violence does to victims and their nearest.

His approach to sexual violence / sex / violence is very varied - it can be shocking and graphic background material that is either ridiculously framed (crossed) or sensitively done (a walk through hell) or played as pure comedy (a train called love) or as the pivot point of a serious comic (the last Russian winter, dear billy) but mostly it comes across intelligently in terms of his goals. I always through crossed was instructive - Ennis (and also Spurrier) seldom went for the ‘look at this, now this, now this’ shock potential of crossed but always for the ‘human-survivor scrambling for dignity and sanity’ while other authors (sadly including the great David Lapham) just went for GORE! RAPE! VIOLENCE!

It’s been said more than few times that Garth’s shlocky hits (the boys, crossed) where what allowed publishers to indulge him his historical war comics - a genre that’s sadly clearly not commercially successful. That does sadly make a lot of sense.

As for The Boys series - watched 2 so far and its very enjoyable but neither butcher nor hugie remind me in anyway of their comic origins. Urban is just too small and his accent all over the shop (but he’s good if you forget it’s meant to be butcher). Likewise frenchie. Doesn’t make it not enjoyable but does make it slightly odd, plus... where is Terror!
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: Proudhuff 27 July, 2019, 03:27:19 PM
It's class war disguised a Superhero's vs the norms.

I never thought of that. Bang on the button, though.  The Homelander : blond, rich, vain and self-obsessed, caring very little for the ordinary people he purports to be saving; a little bit like... ah, never mind.

 :thumbsup: :D
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: dweezil2 27 July, 2019, 03:30:42 PM
Fair enough. I haven’t read this, and it was a flippant remark. I’ve actively avoided Ennis’ work for many years because I find much of his humour puerile and his recurring anal rape motifs often veered alarmingly close to homophobia for me.

But if this plays as you say, then my snark was misplaced, and is withdrawn.

There is no doubt Ennis knows how to push buttons and doesn’t shy from stories dealing with sexual violence but his Dear Billy 4 parter from War Stories is one of the most devastating and tender accounts of the harm sexual violence does to victims and their nearest.

His approach to sexual violence / sex / violence is very varied - it can be shocking and graphic background material that is either ridiculously framed (crossed) or sensitively done (a walk through hell) or played as pure comedy (a train called love) or as the pivot point of a serious comic (the last Russian winter, dear billy) but mostly it comes across intelligently in terms of his goals. I always through crossed was instructive - Ennis (and also Spurrier) seldom went for the ‘look at this, now this, now this’ shock potential of crossed but always for the ‘human-survivor scrambling for dignity and sanity’ while other authors (sadly including the great David Lapham) just went for GORE! RAPE! VIOLENCE!

It’s been said more than few times that Garth’s shlocky hits (the boys, crossed) where what allowed publishers to indulge him his historical war comics - a genre that’s sadly clearly not commercially successful. That does sadly make a lot of sense.

As for The Boys series - watched 2 so far and its very enjoyable but neither butcher nor hugie remind me in anyway of their comic origins. Urban is just too small and his accent all over the shop (but he’s good if you forget it’s meant to be butcher). Likewise frenchie. Doesn’t make it not enjoyable but does make it slightly odd, plus... where is Terror!

Punisher: Born is one of the finest comics I have ever read.
When Ennis is on form he's almost untouchable.  :thumbsup:
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: Tiplodocus 30 July, 2019, 11:46:09 PM
Four episodes in and I am enjoying it. They manage to keep a lid on the misogyny and gratuitous sex, it's getting funnier but characters don't gel with the bits of The Boys I've read (first twenty issues about ten years ago I think).

But rereading first two issues (only ones still in the Tips house) and they are helluva talkie and a lot less fun than this show. So reckon they are doing ok.
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: Frank 31 July, 2019, 12:27:34 AM

Slipknot release sequel to Mull Of Kintyre: https://youtu.be/V3ADK6gsDGg


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: BPP 01 August, 2019, 12:22:42 AM

Slipknot release sequel to Mull Of Kintyre: https://youtu.be/V3ADK6gsDGg

How weird.
And how weirdly polished that sounds. The U2 of whatevercore that is.

Finished The Boys - enjoyable but misses so much of the original spirit (hughie’s innocence, butchers physicality and menace, the female, the heroes sheer venality) it’s a strange beast. Lots to enjoy but the plot threads pulled at the end of the season are strange and somewhat self-defeating. An enjoyable but qualified success. 
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: Rately 01 August, 2019, 01:13:05 PM
Fair enough. I haven’t read this, and it was a flippant remark. I’ve actively avoided Ennis’ work for many years because I find much of his humour puerile and his recurring anal rape motifs often veered alarmingly close to homophobia for me.

But if this plays as you say, then my snark was misplaced, and is withdrawn.

There is no doubt Ennis knows how to push buttons and doesn’t shy from stories dealing with sexual violence but his Dear Billy 4 parter from War Stories is one of the most devastating and tender accounts of the harm sexual violence does to victims and their nearest.

His approach to sexual violence / sex / violence is very varied - it can be shocking and graphic background material that is either ridiculously framed (crossed) or sensitively done (a walk through hell) or played as pure comedy (a train called love) or as the pivot point of a serious comic (the last Russian winter, dear billy) but mostly it comes across intelligently in terms of his goals. I always through crossed was instructive - Ennis (and also Spurrier) seldom went for the ‘look at this, now this, now this’ shock potential of crossed but always for the ‘human-survivor scrambling for dignity and sanity’ while other authors (sadly including the great David Lapham) just went for GORE! RAPE! VIOLENCE!

It’s been said more than few times that Garth’s shlocky hits (the boys, crossed) where what allowed publishers to indulge him his historical war comics - a genre that’s sadly clearly not commercially successful. That does sadly make a lot of sense.

As for The Boys series - watched 2 so far and its very enjoyable but neither butcher nor hugie remind me in anyway of their comic origins. Urban is just too small and his accent all over the shop (but he’s good if you forget it’s meant to be butcher). Likewise frenchie. Doesn’t make it not enjoyable but does make it slightly odd, plus... where is Terror!

Punisher: Born is one of the finest comics I have ever read.
When Ennis is on form he's almost untouchable.  :thumbsup:

Totally agree. His work on The Punisher is astounding, adding some weight to a Slasher-style character, and skillflly bounces him from comedy to violence and everything in between.

Often wonder if we will ever see Ennis turn his hand to Dredd again. Would be interesting to see how he would approach the character after all these years.
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: broodblik 04 August, 2019, 02:12:12 PM
Watched the last episode and I can recommend the show.  :thumbsup:
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: JayzusB.Christ 05 August, 2019, 01:51:16 PM
Been binge-watching too and yep, it very much captures the spirit of the comic.  I do agree that our Karl's cockney accent is as jarringly bad as Joe Gilgun's Dublin one, but at least they haven't turned everyone into a septic.

I really don't mind that Hughie is American - I expected his dad to be Scottish, but never mind (but where did that 'jings' come from?).  I like that they've ditched the 90s leather goth coats too.  I had one and even Mr Midlife Crisis here wouldn't be seen dead in it now.  Also was surprised by Mallory's reveal, but feck it, why not?

I'm wondering too if they'll ever call themselves The Boys and jack up some V.  But either way up, I'm happy.

All in all, so far, so good.

: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: Bad City Blue 05 August, 2019, 03:31:34 PM
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: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: Dandontdare 05 August, 2019, 04:35:24 PM
Enjoyed the programme generally, but wasn't keen on the "ending" , or rather the lack of ending - just clumsily hanging plot threads to set up a second season.
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: JayzusB.Christ 05 August, 2019, 05:50:54 PM
I didn't mind the ending.  A radical departure from the comic here but it's left me wanting more, so job done, I suppose.
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: Trooper McFad 09 August, 2019, 06:11:20 PM
Watched the first 2 and enjoying it so far- haven’t read the books but once finished I might just go and purchase- did the same with TWD and enjoyed the books more.
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: Proudhuff 10 August, 2019, 02:16:24 PM
Totally enjoying the series, about half way through, the flying flipper was a hoot!
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: JayzusB.Christ 11 August, 2019, 06:36:07 PM
Can't remember now if The Deep was in the comic.  He does seem very much like an Ennis character: A bit of a perv and a schadenfreude-heavy hard luck case.
The gills bit made me wince.
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: Dandontdare 12 August, 2019, 01:14:40 AM
In the comic he wore a full deep-sea diving suit with helmet and never spoke or showed his face- basically, all they kept was the name.
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: Proudhuff 12 August, 2019, 11:56:25 AM
In the comic he wore a full deep-sea diving suit with helmet and never spoke or showed his face- basically, all they kept was the name.

a bit like Black Noir?
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: Mardroid 12 August, 2019, 02:45:25 PM
The gills bit made me wince.

Me too. I guess he got his comeuppance, but... yikes!

He got some comedy moments later, which made me chuckle.*

* Not that I find the death of animals funny, you understand, but the framing was very amusing.
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: JayzusB.Christ 13 August, 2019, 10:29:55 PM
In the comic he wore a full deep-sea diving suit with helmet and never spoke or showed his face- basically, all they kept was the name.

Ah yeah, I remember now.  Probably a good idea to change him for the show; as Proudhuff points out there's already a faceless silent type in the Seven.
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: Professor Bear 13 August, 2019, 11:22:42 PM
Binged it all in one go, and I don't know why everyone is so down on Urban's Australian accent, I think he really nails it, and it's certainly a lot better than Hughie's Scotch accent.
The show felt surprisingly current for something based on a comic that aged poorly, with the corporate stuff being bang on and the cast are really good.  I felt it diverged wildly from the comic, retaining its shocks and characters, but the show does feel like it's missing the immediacy and anger of the book.  Still really enjoyable if you can watch it as its own thing, though.

I find much of his humour puerile and his recurring anal rape motifs often veered alarmingly close to homophobia for me.

The various "man in a dress" jokes in Preacher, Punisher, Hitman, etc have arguably not aged well.
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: Proudhuff 14 August, 2019, 02:52:49 PM
Binged it all in one go, and I don't know why everyone is so down on Urban's Australian accent, I think he really nails it, and it's certainly a lot better than Hughie's Scotch accent.

 :lol: :lol: :lol:
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: JayzusB.Christ 16 August, 2019, 10:06:39 AM
Binged it all in one go, and I don't know why everyone is so down on Urban's Australian accent, I think he really nails it, and it's certainly a lot better than Hughie's Scotch accent.

How come YOU don't get in trouble for saying it, and I get crucified?  ;)

Just wondering though, with that massively revised storyline, how is Butcher going to continue as Butcher with his whole raison d'etre wiped out after one season? And Hughie for that matter, now that he has kind of forgiven A-Train?
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: Frank 16 August, 2019, 12:34:42 PM
Scotch

How come YOU don't get in trouble for saying it, and I get crucified?  ;)

You got a Scotch emigre. Something weird happens to us when we leave. We sing about missing the hills and lochs of Brigadoon and use all the money we save in tax to fund political campaigns.


: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: Funt Solo 16 August, 2019, 02:24:05 PM
Fanny baws.
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: JayzusB.Christ 16 August, 2019, 03:27:08 PM
Fanny baws.

 :lol:
If it wasn't for Middenface McNulty and Irvine Welsh, I wouldn't know what you're all on about half the time 😉
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: sheridan 17 August, 2019, 08:49:04 AM
You got a Scotch emigre. Something weird happens to us when we leave. We sing about missing the hills and lochs of Brigadoon and use all the money we save in tax to fund political campaigns.


You don't spend it on whiskey then?
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: sheridan 17 August, 2019, 08:54:20 AM
Can't remember now if The Deep was in the comic.  He does seem very much like an Ennis character: A bit of a perv and a schadenfreude-heavy hard luck case.
The gills bit made me wince.

Not having read the comic, I'm now thinking of this (if you ever go to Hull, this is the best thing to do there*):

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b0/The_Deep%2C_Kingston_upon_Hull_-_geograph.org.uk_-_660427.jpg) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Deep_(aquarium))


Other attractions being the museums and Spiders...
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: JayzusB.Christ 18 August, 2019, 05:23:21 PM
Can't remember now if The Deep was in the comic.  He does seem very much like an Ennis character: A bit of a perv and a schadenfreude-heavy hard luck case.
The gills bit made me wince.

Not having read the comic, I'm now thinking of this (if you ever go to Hull, this is the best thing to do there*):

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b0/The_Deep%2C_Kingston_upon_Hull_-_geograph.org.uk_-_660427.jpg) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Deep_(aquarium))


Other attractions being the museums and Spiders...


That looks proper cool.  I hope it's called the Hull Hull.
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: Mattofthespurs 04 September, 2019, 04:08:22 PM
Just watched the first four episodes back to back. It's brilliant.
Not read the comic but have just ordered the first omnibus.
I have a feeling this is going to cost me  :lol:
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: rogue69 19 September, 2019, 06:34:45 PM
The Boys is officially more popular than any of the Marvel series


https://metro.co.uk/2019/09/16/boys-amazon-prime-officially-popular-marvel-series-rightly-10751433/?ito=article.amp.share.top.twitter
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: Rately 20 September, 2019, 01:58:30 PM
It was really very good, even with the divergences from the Comic, though I'm assuming that some of the stuff they cut out could be added back in over the coming season/s.

Butcher wielding the baby was brilliant stuff.

: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: IndigoPrime 06 October, 2019, 11:45:26 AM
This was a curious one in this household. Mrs G gave up on Preacher after about three episodes. She hated it. (I haven’t finished it myself yet either.) So I was surprised she was keen on watching something else by Garth Ennis, although she didn’t realise there was any link between the series before we watched. (Context: Mrs G is a geek, but less so than I am. She also loves Dredd.) I hadn’t read The Boys, so we went in blind.

Some serious shit went down in the series as a whole, and there were some sick laugh-out-loud moments (like the baby weapon). It rattled along at a fair old lick (eight episodes and done – Doctor Who, take note, perhaps). And it – mostly – got the balance right regarding things like treatment of various characters and situations, despite unsurprisingly being a very bloke-heavy series.

So I thought I’d then go back and read the comic, and – wow. To be fair, I’ve only read the first volume so far, but it’s a hair’s breadth from Big Dave at times. It’s rampantly BIG MEN PUNCHES THINGS, sexist and homophobic. I can already see how they saw it as decent source material for a TV show, but this article (https://www.criticalhit.net/entertainment/amazons-the-boys-is-better-than-the-comics-because-it-knows-what-to-leave-out/) nailed it for me on that TV show being superior because it knew what to leave out.

I’m sure many people here and elsewhere would disagree. But the comic feels too close to the 4chan wet dream it’s attempting to lampoon, whereas the TV show is actually pretty nuanced, despite also having regular shocking moments. So I find myself looking forward to season 2, but not terribly fussed about reading the other books lurking in my Humble Bundle archive. (Do they get better?)
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: Jim_Campbell 03 November, 2019, 11:05:09 PM
I’m not familiar with the original comic, so have no idea how faithful, or not, the TV series is an adaptation, but it seems to me that the thing would have worked just as well without the undercurrent of raging homophobia.
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: IndigoPrime 04 November, 2019, 10:13:36 AM
I finished reading the entire comic after a holiday away. I’m not sure what to say, really. There are 12 volumes in all. The first half-dozen remind me more of the Summer Offensive than Preacher (which had its own problems). It feels like teen-style excess for excess’s sake. The entire thing has a worrying undercurrent of homophobia, transphobia and sexism that feels like it stems from the product rather than the characters. Everyone’s an arsehole, too, which makes it hard to give a shit about, well, anything. Also, one major difference from the TV series – that The Boys are super-powered with V as well – rather obliterates a lot of the tension.

I will say it got better. A couple of mini-series are actually quite well written, and there are regular glimmers of knowingness within the series, but too often it then veers back to just being flat-out horrible. The last couple of volumes are hackneyed, pat, and predictable, too, in a manner I hope the TV show stays the hell away from.

Frankly, had I read the series prior to watching the show, I’m not sure I’d have bothered with the latter. I kept reading the comic in part because of morbid curiosity, but I’m really struggling to see why people like it so much. It feels like the last hurrah of the bullshit 1990s more than a brave new idea, or forging a new direction. However, I can at least see why it was optioned and remade for TV – there are some basic ideas within the comic that are really good. I’m just glad the TV people are seemingly much better writers, and knew what to leave out and what to change (https://www.criticalhit.net/entertainment/amazons-the-boys-is-better-than-the-comics-because-it-knows-what-to-leave-out/), in order to create something far more interesting and, frankly, palatable.
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: Rusty 06 November, 2019, 05:36:16 AM
It's true that the comic does have some very heavy homophobic, and racist content to it, but I'd say that it isn't done out of spite, or to be mean spirited or edgy in any way. In fact, I think it's in there to give a bit of contrast between the characters, mainly between that of Hughy and Butcher. It's mostly Butcher for a lot of his none PC colloquialisms or disparaging language. It's there too for shock value, non PC and vulgar dark humour, and also to convey a message, which is usually delivered via Hughy pulling Butcher up on his apparent prejudices towards homosexuals. I think its a necessary part of displaying Hughy's character, especially when it comes to the end. It's definitely the sort of thing best left out of a TV show, though, as it's just not necessary at all (for the screen). In fact, there are a few things in the comic that I'm not sure if they'll approach, if at all.
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: IndigoPrime 06 November, 2019, 07:23:38 AM
Except Hughie is also sexist and homophobic (etc) throughout, just a bit less so, and in a manner where he sometimes realises it. That he sometimes calls Butcher on his shit makes no odds to me when he’s often in the same ballpark, and it’s part of what makes me feel the production is at fault. (The series also has a lot of male gaze attitudes to women that are frankly very problematic. Preacher had similar issues.)

For me, the nadir for Hughie is late on when he boots A-Train’s head off in a rage, and then claims he’s not a monster. Right. Just a bit less of one. Anyway, despite its problems, I enjoyed the TV show. I can’t say the same or 80%+ of the comic run.
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: Jim_Campbell 06 November, 2019, 02:36:47 PM
It's true that the comic does have some very heavy homophobic, and racist content to it, but I'd say that it isn't done out of spite, or to be mean spirited or edgy in any way.

Can't speak to the comics, because I haven't read them, but how many episodes of the TV series have a plot point revolving around either gay sex being something that people are ashamed of and/or someone getting something inserted up their arse with disastrous/hilarious consequences? Answer: most of them. That's not a character having a reprehensible attitude of which we are supposed to disapprove, that's systemic and inherent.
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: IndigoPrime 06 November, 2019, 02:55:01 PM
This is far, far, far more prevalent in the comics.
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: Frank 06 November, 2019, 03:22:58 PM
someone getting something inserted up their arse with disastrous/hilarious consequences?

(https://i.imgur.com/1CDQR2m.jpg?2)


: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: Rusty 07 November, 2019, 12:51:54 AM
Except Hughie is also sexist and homophobic (etc) throughout, just a bit less so, and in a manner where he sometimes realises it. That he sometimes calls Butcher on his shit makes no odds to me when he’s often in the same ballpark, and it’s part of what makes me feel the production is at fault. (The series also has a lot of male gaze attitudes to women that are frankly very problematic. Preacher had similar issues.)

For me, the nadir for Hughie is late on when he boots A-Train’s head off in a rage, and then claims he’s not a monster. Right. Just a bit less of one. Anyway, despite its problems, I enjoyed the TV show. I can’t say the same or 80%+ of the comic run.
I can't recall from memory any instances where Hughie was outwardly sexist in the comic. Just naive at his core, so much so its a crucial element to the plot overall. He is constantly defending the opposite sex, and those of a different sexual orientation throughout. Well, that's what I remember from him anyway. There was the conversation he had with MM about Butcher's prejudices, and how he disliked him for that. MM set him straight by telling Hughie that Butcher doesn't hate anyone, be they black, gay, or whatever. A lot of what he says is for a reason, and that reason is to cause reaction or to manipulate to get what he wants. This is highlighted no more so than the event you mention. It was all set up and planned by Butcher into getting him to do what he wanted, and needed, him to do, and not Hughie himself. In the end, Butcher used that against him because he passed the test.
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: TordelBack 07 November, 2019, 06:00:14 AM
As a fan of the comic who hasn't seen the TV seres I hear the objections above and rub my chin vigorously. The comic is a quite deliberately over-the-top festival of gore, unpleasantness, body fluids and sexual orientation and kink played for laughs, satirising (and embracing) superhero comicking and machismo with Mills-grade subtlety. There's no.denying it.- it's consciously and deliberately as unpleasant as possible, presented as fun, in the way of most Ennis. That's part of its appeal, but if and only if you like that sort of thing. 

That it *also* contains a compelling story, interesting-if-broad characters and a sustained critique of massively imbalanced power in society is what makes it a great book, IMHO. But no-one is denying the deliberate ugliness.
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: IndigoPrime 07 November, 2019, 09:55:44 AM
Sorry, TordelBack, but I just don’t agree. There’s a thin line between satire and becoming the thing you are satirising. The Boys to me sits in more or less the same space as Big Dave. It’s not shining a light on unpleasantness – it actually is unpleasant, baked into its very core. The best bits are when Hughie fucks off back to Scotland and gets all talky; but even there, Ennis ends up with a horribly male-gaze view of the world, where I just ended up feeling icky regarding quite a lot of what Starlight was saying. Again, this perhaps isn’t surprising given Preacher and the like. But it was rather stark here, given the nature of the comic.

On Rusty’s comment – “[Hughie] is constantly defending the opposite sex, and those of a different sexual orientation throughout.” – that’s to some extent true. He does pull up Butcher a number of times for how he refers to people who are gay. And yet throughout the entire run, he’s responding and saying things in a manner that are basically homophobic as well. He’s just saying “you can’t call them X” and then saying and doing things that aren’t as bad. It’s like the bloke who objects when someone pinches a woman’s bum, but nonetheless gets in their personal space and sticks their arm around them when it’s not wanted. That’s not as bad, sure, but it’s still in the ballpark.

As for the event, Hughie was perhaps manipulated, but the idea he ends up a good guy and not a monster, given everything he does during the run, is to my mind laughable. Incidentally, I’m well aware people will read strips differently; I just found at least half of The Boys abhorrent at a structural level (like, say, Skyfall) rather than a character level, and that was the problem.
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: Link Prime 07 November, 2019, 10:31:28 AM
I'm asking this without trying to sound like a dick IP, but The Boys is about 70 issues in length - that's a huge reading commitment. Why didn't you bail on it if you found it that offensive / unenjoyable?

I've tapped out after 1 issue / 1 episode of various comics or TV shows with seemingly one tenth of your ire.
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: IndigoPrime 07 November, 2019, 10:44:47 AM
Morbid curiosity, mostly, and a stubbornness when it comes to seeing through things I’ve paid for. I also did find various aspects of the premise interesting, and had – despite reservations – enjoyed the TV show. I guess once you’re several volumes in, you’re already invested and may as well see it through. (I read all of IDW’s Dredd series also; that’s another I should have bailed on. Mind you, I didn’t see Blessed Earth through to its conclusion. That really was too much.)
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: Link Prime 07 November, 2019, 10:49:29 AM
I read all of IDW’s Dredd series also

The kind of sick masochist that would make the hairs stand up on the back of William Butcher's neck.
I see.
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: TordelBack 07 November, 2019, 01:18:20 PM
Sorry, TordelBack, but I just don’t agree. There’s a thin line between satire and becoming the thing you are satirising. The Boys to me sits in more or less the same space as Big Dave. It’s not shining a light on unpleasantness – it actually is unpleasant, baked into its very core.

I'm not arguing that the unpleasantness itself is satire, or justified,  I think it's deliberately presented as fun and only there because Garth - and the reader he's aiming at - enjoy reading it.

If you don't, that's fine, I get it,  I've turned away from plenty of comics for that reason myself.

But there is (for me at least)  a clear line between the comedic dismemberment,  insertion of things up bottoms and spraying about of various viscous fluids, and the way the more serious issues in the book are handled.  Enough of a line for me to enjoy both the grand guignol (perhaps an extension the tradition of the torture, disfigurement and genocide in Nemesis and Dredd?) and a good story about characters I'm engaged with.

It ain't great literature,  but luckily we have great literature for that.
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: Smith 08 January, 2020, 08:14:49 AM
Amazon prime now has 2 great shows. Maybe 3 depending on the person.
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: Proudhuff 08 January, 2020, 02:40:14 PM
and they are?
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: Smith 08 January, 2020, 02:54:49 PM
and they are?
The Boys and Good Omens.
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: Jim_Campbell 08 January, 2020, 03:30:30 PM
The Expanse S4 is really good.
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: IndigoPrime 08 January, 2020, 03:46:24 PM
We were about to start that, watched the ‘previously’, and then quickly realised we’d only seen S01 and 02. Fortunately, S03 is also really good.
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: Jim_Campbell 08 January, 2020, 03:49:01 PM
Fortunately, S03 is also really good.

Yup.
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: Professor Bear 08 January, 2020, 04:19:52 PM
Amazon also make The Marvelous Miss Maisel, which is great as long as you don't look up the politics of its barmy creator - though I imagine if you were worried about politics you wouldn't be using Amazon in the first place.
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: Jim_Campbell 08 January, 2020, 04:22:42 PM
I imagine if you were worried about politics you wouldn't be using Amazon in the first place.

Every time I watch something on Amazon, I burn a book. In your face, Bezos!
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: Tiplodocus 08 January, 2020, 04:35:53 PM
Amazon also make The Marvelous Miss Maisel, which is great as long as you don't look up the politics of its barmy creator - though I imagine if you were worried about politics you wouldn't be using Amazon in the first place.

I can't  watch it without thinking "Is this anti-Semitic? I just don't know."
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: Woolly 08 January, 2020, 06:01:28 PM
Amazon also make The Marvelous Miss Maisel, which is great as long as you don't look up the politics of its barmy creator - though I imagine if you were worried about politics you wouldn't be using Amazon in the first place.

I can't  watch it without thinking "Is this anti-Semitic? I just don't know."

I can't watch it without thinking "why isn't this about her manager instead?"
Getting a little sick of following the stories of rich, 'good looking' types.
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: Link Prime 01 July, 2020, 06:31:34 PM
Binged the relatively short season 1 this week and absolutely loved it.

Spot on casting for most roles.
Elisabeth Shue knocking it out of the park, and Antony Starr somehow improving after an impressive 4 seasons of Banshee.

Just think what they could have done with the budget if they didn't have to dye Urban's beard with liquefied obsidian.

: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: rogue69 01 July, 2020, 07:55:16 PM
Season 2 comes out on the 4th September with the first 3 episodes then it's one a week for the rest of the season
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: JayzusB.Christ 03 July, 2020, 11:00:17 AM
I'll watch the fecker, and like Tordelback, I enjoyed the comic, despite the nastiness and offensiveness.  But I can't help thinking that the TV series has taken away the driving forces behind some of its main characters; ie. Hughie has kind-of-forgiven A-Train already, and Butcher's missus isn't dead.  Also, Starlight doesn't have to hide her superness from Hughie, as everyone knew about it from the start.

I wonder when Crossed will be on telly?
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: IndigoPrime 03 July, 2020, 01:41:32 PM
I’d argue it just has different driving forces. Frankly, I found the comic abhorrent for the most part. The TV show for me was pretty smart about what to keep, what to change, and what to ditch entirely.
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: JayzusB.Christ 03 July, 2020, 02:49:43 PM
I’d argue it just has different driving forces. Frankly, I found the comic abhorrent for the most part. The TV show for me was pretty smart about what to keep, what to change, and what to ditch entirely.

Fair enough. I'll wait and see how things progress.  I gave up on the Preacher series but hopefully this will stay interesting.
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: Richard 10 July, 2020, 08:21:35 PM
I've just watched the first episode, and thought it was brilliant. Exactly what I hoped it would be. All the cast are superb, and it was a nice touch that they gave Simon Pegg a cameo as Hughie's dad.
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: IndigoPrime 13 July, 2020, 09:52:48 AM
Just a warning to all—please refrain from quoting and responding to porn threads. The latter requires clean-up. The former might result in your account being accidentally deleted if, say, an admin is on early morning autopilot and trying to blaze through forum clean-up. (Fortunately, I check email addresses and BPP had a proper one!)
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: JayzusB.Christ 05 September, 2020, 11:28:46 AM
Caught the first episode of the second series last night.  Great stuff; I'd forgotten how much fun it was.  I am doing my best to ignore Karl's cockwi accent; it's not easy though.  Joe Gilgun's 'Dublin' one was just intolerable.

But all in all, The Boys is firing on all cylinders.  It's different from the comic, but who cares?  Keeps it interesting when I don't know the outcome.
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: Mardroid 06 September, 2020, 03:08:03 AM
Wait 'til you see episode 3.... 😲

It's good if somewhat shocking.
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: JayzusB.Christ 09 September, 2020, 02:31:03 PM
Wait 'til you see episode 3.... 😲

It's good if somewhat shocking.

Did you mean the whale death?  Pure Garth Ennis, even though it wasn't in the comics - sadly it was shown on one of the trailers.  Wish they wouldn't spoil scenes like that.
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: Smith 10 September, 2020, 11:58:45 AM
They stole that bit from Family Guy.
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: Mardroid 10 September, 2020, 05:13:33 PM
Wait 'til you see episode 3.... 😲

It's good if somewhat shocking.

Did you mean the whale death?  Pure Garth Ennis, even though it wasn't in the comics - sadly it was shown on one of the trailers.  Wish they wouldn't spoil scenes like that.

I was referring more to what happened with Stormfront at the end. She comes across earlier on as quite an amusing, irreverant, rather likable character. Then she shows her true colours at the end. The fact she'd turn out to be a bad 'un, was spoiled for me somewhat online, but the way it played out was very shocking.

The whale thing was as well, mind you, although it's an ongoing gag with that particular character. They had to take it that little bit further with the heartbeat sounds inside the animal, though, didn't they? 😨😝
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: JayzusB.Christ 13 September, 2020, 11:04:04 AM
Ah, I get you now. Yeah, that was kind of unexpected; poor old Starlight is going to have a bit of thinking to do.

It's a while since I've read the comic, but I can't help thinking that while Homelander is a wanker, he's not half as bad as he is in the comic, and Starlight isn't as good.

Not that I have a problem with that; it's all chugging along nicely and not pulling punches.
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: judgefloyd 02 October, 2020, 11:37:29 PM
Some bloke with my name did a review of it

https://peoplesworld.org/article/the-boys-take-on-corporate-superheroes-for-hire-in-comic-tv-adaptation/
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: Dandontdare 03 October, 2020, 12:18:02 AM
Some bloke with my name did a review of it

https://peoplesworld.org/article/the-boys-take-on-corporate-superheroes-for-hire-in-comic-tv-adaptation/
The main target for The Boys is a very Avengers-like super team called “The Seven,” consisting of Homelander, a sort-of fascist version of Superman; Queen Maeve, a cynical Wonder Woman who drinks too much; The Deep, who can talk to fish like Aquaman

*cough* Justice League

Just watched the last episode and they're not being coy with the Trump parallels. That intro scene is going to get shared widely, powerful stuff.

I'm enjoying S2 a lot more than S1 - That was good, but I was constantly distracted by what was and wasn't the same as the comic, and speculating why they made each decision; but now that they're totally off-book and I have no idea where it's going, I'm loving it
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: judgefloyd 03 October, 2020, 12:42:16 AM
Good point! Justice League is a much better comparison, and they've got the talks-to-fish guy.  On the other hand, more of my audience would have heard of the Avengers.  The review is far from perfect - should have run it past this board.
  I didn't find the dissimilarities with the comic distracting in S1, and was pleased by how well they went - if  the comic was a frame-by-frame reproduction of S1, it'd still be a very good Ennis comic.  That said, I'm totally with you on S2 - Trump parallels are very obvious and all up I'm loving it too. 
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: JayzusB.Christ 05 October, 2020, 11:16:38 PM
Some bloke with my name did a review of it

https://peoplesworld.org/article/the-boys-take-on-corporate-superheroes-for-hire-in-comic-tv-adaptation/

Great stuff.  Kermodes are good reviewers.

And yeah, the swipes at Trump are very thinly disguised.  I'm all for it.  Homelander has the one thing Trump doesn't have - an actual, original Nazi at his side.  (Also, I suppose, a foreign 'romantic' partner who doesn't hate him).
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: Mister Pops 06 October, 2020, 12:24:12 AM
I've been catching up on this. After the second time seeing a skull get popped like a watermelon during a covered up sex scene I was left thinking about the weird American puritanical dichotomy of abhorring nudity and glorifying violence. Then that guy got strangled by a huge cock.
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: Richard 06 October, 2020, 01:52:16 AM
Even though the plot has become very different to what it was in the comic, I don't mind at all because the characters, themes and tone are spot on. I wish Preacher had been as good as this.
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: wedgeski 06 October, 2020, 09:05:29 AM
For us this has become one of those "watch new episode within minutes of release" series. The Liberty/Stormfront angle, the revelations she brought with her, the slow (and violent) bonding of the team, the all-too relevant themes, the comedy, the absurdity... It's a mash-up that shouldn't work but does.
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: Proudhuff 06 October, 2020, 02:11:22 PM
I've been catching up on this. After the second time seeing a skull get popped like a watermelon during a covered up sex scene I was left thinking about the weird American puritanical dichotomy of abhorring nudity and glorifying violence. Then that guy got strangled by a huge cock.

I was thinking something similar after watching Ratchet, a couple of murders are shown in all their gory and when the two murderers shag its made to look like a romantic scene... Unlike The Sopranos, you don't confronted with the shock of what evil cold hearted monsters they are, there-by condoning their actions?   
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: JayzusB.Christ 06 October, 2020, 08:18:58 PM
Even though the plot has become very different to what it was in the comic, I don't mind at all because the characters, themes and tone are spot on. I wish Preacher had been as good as this.

The way I see it, the Preacher comic wasn't half as good as The Boys comic either.  But that's just me. 

 I'm also not worrying too much about the deviation from the comic's storyline - I have a feeling that after Homelander's most recent act of bastardy, Becca might do something nasty to herself, so we'll get to see Butcher become the even more obsessive and vicious psycho we see in the comics.

I wonder if the Boys will end up taking the Compound V too?  It was all sorted from the start in the comics; but hasn't become a thing yet on the TV.  That could be some very interesting viewing. 

Marvin, Serge and Kimiko - that's new too.
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: Jim_Campbell 11 October, 2020, 10:08:27 PM
Well, just watched the final episode of S2. A lot of the stuff I found problematic in S1 was absent, replaced by some terrifyingly relevant themes. Alan Moore said that Watchmen was his greatest failure, in as much he intended it to be an “assassination attempt” on the superhero myth, not a revitalisation of it. S2 of The Boys feels like the coup de grâce Moore wanted to deliver.
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: wedgeski 12 October, 2020, 10:03:31 AM
Nicely put Jim.

I was so engrossed I spent the second half of Friday's episode gripping a forgotten, half-empty cup of cold tea. The addition of Stormfront has elevated everything about this show. Here's hoping we don't have to wait too long for S3.
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: Jim_Campbell 12 October, 2020, 10:34:28 AM
Although it's hard to get past his ludicrous accent, there was a moment in Ep7 where I thought Urban was genuinely brilliant. He's threatening to murder Vogelbaum's entire family and he looks like just about the most evil bastard on earth, then Vogelbaum's daughter comes in with the tea and he looks up and the evil just evaporates, he seems to relax barely a handful of muscles in his face and it's all gone.
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: Proudhuff 13 October, 2020, 02:19:16 PM
Spot on Jim. :thumbsup:
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: James Stacey 13 October, 2020, 03:28:15 PM
There is a Billy Joel song (and album) actually called Storm Front. With lyrics that would kinda fitted .. and they didn't use it  :o
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: judgefloyd 14 October, 2020, 01:58:53 AM
We (son and I) thought the penultimate episode was a bit too rushed, like they had a lot to get through, and the last episode was total genius.  Fingers crossed for Season 3.  I never get these things right, but my guesses are:

- Noir's big reveal turns out to be like it was in the comic
- That peanut allergy thing will be important in S3
- More head-exploding scenes are on their way (feel I'm on solid ground with this one)
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: judgefloyd 14 October, 2020, 02:56:56 AM
More prediction-guesses while I'm in the mood:

- Billy Joel cameo?
- brief appearance by Stormfront looking terrible? (more likely than Billy Joel)
- Kimiko continues her 'ugly duckling' thing and looks ridiculously good
- possible appearance of that pdofile version of the X-Men from the comics?

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: JayzusB.Christ 16 October, 2020, 03:31:46 PM
- Kimiko continues her 'ugly duckling' thing and looks ridiculously good

You're still living in Japan, I'm guessing  ;)  But I agree whole-heartedly.  I was never sure whether the comics version of her was a child or an adult (hopefully the latter for Frenchie's sake).  Can't remember if she had a real name in the comics either; everyone on the show does now.

I'm not sure if the Noir reveal can be the same as in the comic, unless Homelander is going to spend the next season or two apparently doing all those awful, Crossed-type things he seems to do in the comic.   Which he may well do, I suppose, judging by his very unpleasant rooftop solo scene in which he proves he is indeed a first-class wanker.

It's a great show and I can't wait for more.  Well done to all involved.


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: Richard 16 October, 2020, 04:40:51 PM
TV Black Noir isn't white, so he can't have the same plotline he had in the comic. I hope the writers give him something to do though.
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: moogie101 24 October, 2020, 05:46:23 PM
TV Black Noir isn't white, so he can't have the same plotline he had in the comic. I hope the writers give him something to do though.

I thought what we little we saw of him looked burned rather than reflecting the character's race.
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: Rately 25 October, 2020, 10:09:34 AM
I'd assumed that he was scarred, or was having a severe allergic reaction.

Whatever way it is played, it will obviously be a plot point, and still think for maximum shock value, though at this stage there has been so much shock, they will go for the reveal from the original books.

Season overall was very good. I'm still interested in the next season, and though i'm not a fan of gore, i think that the writing and some of the very sharp, pointed messages the show is trying to convey and get across will have me sat watching this next season.

From way the season was left, are we now literally at Issue 1? The status Quo seems to be set for them to now be working for the Government, and perhaps time they were "upgraded."
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: judgefloyd 31 October, 2020, 11:59:47 AM
- Kimiko continues her 'ugly duckling' thing and looks ridiculously good

You're still living in Japan, I'm guessing  ;)  But I agree whole-heartedly.  I was never sure whether the comics version of her was a child or an adult (hopefully the latter for Frenchie's sake).  Can't remember if she had a real name in the comics either; everyone on the show does now.

I'm not sure if the Noir reveal can be the same as in the comic, unless Homelander is going to spend the next season or two apparently doing all those awful, Crossed-type things he seems to do in the comic.   Which he may well do, I suppose, judging by his very unpleasant rooftop solo scene in which he proves he is indeed a first-class wanker.

It's a great show and I can't wait for more.  Well done to all involved.

I've been back in Australia for ages, Mr Jayzus.  I'm watching the show with my teenage son who is massively pro-Kimiko.  We're betting on the Noir reveal being the same as in the comics, but really have no idea. 
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: JayzusB.Christ 31 October, 2020, 12:30:08 PM
- Kimiko continues her 'ugly duckling' thing and looks ridiculously good

You're still living in Japan, I'm guessing  ;)  But I agree whole-heartedly.  I was never sure whether the comics version of her was a child or an adult (hopefully the latter for Frenchie's sake).  Can't remember if she had a real name in the comics either; everyone on the show does now.

I'm not sure if the Noir reveal can be the same as in the comic, unless Homelander is going to spend the next season or two apparently doing all those awful, Crossed-type things he seems to do in the comic.   Which he may well do, I suppose, judging by his very unpleasant rooftop solo scene in which he proves he is indeed a first-class wanker.

It's a great show and I can't wait for more.  Well done to all involved.

I've been back in Australia for ages, Mr Jayzus.  I'm watching the show with my teenage son who is massively pro-Kimiko.  We're betting on the Noir reveal being the same as in the comics, but really have no idea.

Didn't realise you were an Ozzer!  Yeah, Kimiko is a great character, and it's probably not a bad idea to give the only female member of the team a name other than 'the Female'.  Although it's a good move to bring Starlight into The Boys too, even if it's only on a part-time basis. 
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: judgefloyd 01 November, 2020, 11:34:09 AM
My other (no doubt) crap prediction/guess is that Noir's nut allergy will be important later on.  I'm still on the fence about the other ones; they keep saying we haven't seen Noir - Homelander tells us he doesn't identify as any race - ie nobody's seen his face.  Could be a scarred Homelander, could be a black version of him....I dunno.
  Yeah, I've been back here (Melbourne) for a while.  I'll never stop missing Japan, but I'm over my reverse culture shock by now. 
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: Richard 01 November, 2020, 12:42:29 PM
I thought what we little we saw of him looked burned rather than reflecting the character's race.

It doesn't matter why they look different; if you can tell them apart then they can't have the same story they had in the comic.
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: Tiplodocus 19 November, 2020, 09:46:22 PM
 Episode six was an absolute corker. Just seems all round smarter than the source material (which I enjoyed what I read) Still trying to figure out if Lamplighter was played by Jimmy Olsen or Iceman!

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: PsychoGoatee 28 November, 2020, 10:07:05 PM
Just like to add, Karl Urban is the coolest man on the planet. And what a fun role. Man, he just steals the show in this.

A fun watch in general, my main complaint is just general serialized/TV-ness, the [ending status quo spoilers] how it seems we're gonna be stuck with Homelander for years and years. It reminds me of the Joffrey years of Game of Thrones. Also, how the good gals on the team are blackmailing him instead o just devising a plan to kill him asap.

In general a really fun and solid show, and well worth it for Butcher's over-the-top gloriousness.
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: Richard 29 November, 2020, 12:21:25 AM
Homelander is the main villain of the story, so he's likely to stick around until the end of the series. He's not Joffrey, he's Cersei, Danerys and the Night King all in one.
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: PsychoGoatee 29 November, 2020, 06:59:55 AM
Homelander is the main villain of the story, so he's likely to stick around until the end of the series. He's not Joffrey, he's Cersei, Danerys and the Night King all in one.

For me, based on just the show, he doesn't quite have the substance to warrant that position. I don't know if that's the case that he's the main villain for the comic run (and know that answer would be spoiler territory), but that's just my take on it here.

It can feel a bit formulaic and boxed in etc if you know this guy has to stick around the whole time, when just killing him would make the most sense. I guess it's tough to compare shows without being spoilery, but take say The Wire. Or The Sopranos, or various shows. Being a villain for say 3 seasons would be quite a feather in Homelander's cap from my perspective, I'd just prefer that he don't stick around for the whole run. So, I'm watching for Butcher basically, and I agree with his position I guess. Let's score some kills for the team here.  :D
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: Richard 29 November, 2020, 01:47:53 PM
That's fair enough, but Homelander is the most powerful supe, so if they kill him then nobody who replaced him could seem as threatening.
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: The Legendary Shark 29 November, 2020, 02:38:33 PM

I'm waiting to see if Homelander will eventually try to become King of the World - and what superpowers the Big Boss is hiding.

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: JayzusB.Christ 29 November, 2020, 03:13:25 PM
He's a bastard, but not nearly as much of one as he is in the comic - Starlight in the comic had a few more sex pests to contend with than just the Deep, and a lot more innocent people die by the Homelander's hand.  That said, the TV version seems to be just starting to appreciate that nobody can stop him doing anything he wants, in a sort of reverse-Trump kind of manner which the series definitely alludes to.

I wonder if we'll see Herogasm on the small screen.  We won't see Herogasm on the small screen.