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: Steve Green 06 April, 2018, 09:51:31 AM
Karl Urban hasn't found any heroes yet...

http://deadline.com/2018/04/the-boys-karl-urban-cast-amazon-superhero-drama-series-billy-butcher-1202359273/ (http://deadline.com/2018/04/the-boys-karl-urban-cast-amazon-superhero-drama-series-billy-butcher-1202359273/)
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: sheridan 06 April, 2018, 01:13:42 PM
Karl Urban hasn't found any heroes yet...

http://deadline.com/2018/04/the-boys-karl-urban-cast-amazon-superhero-drama-series-billy-butcher-1202359273/ (http://deadline.com/2018/04/the-boys-karl-urban-cast-amazon-superhero-drama-series-billy-butcher-1202359273/)

I'm not familiar with The Boys so had a quick google - is Butcher the one who looks like Simon Pegg?
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: Batman's Superior Cousin 06 April, 2018, 01:31:24 PM
Karl Urban hasn't found any heroes yet...

http://deadline.com/2018/04/the-boys-karl-urban-cast-amazon-superhero-drama-series-billy-butcher-1202359273/ (http://deadline.com/2018/04/the-boys-karl-urban-cast-amazon-superhero-drama-series-billy-butcher-1202359273/)

I'm not familiar with The Boys so had a quick google - is Butcher the one who looks like Simon Pegg?


Beahahahaha, no!! That's Wee Hughie, Butcher's the big white tough looking sociopathic Co-founder & leader of the Boys.
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: IAMTHESYSTEM 06 April, 2018, 03:46:18 PM
 Haven't read Gareth Ennis's The Boys so will check up on it. Good news for Amazon but possibly bad news for Dredd fans.
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: Smith 06 April, 2018, 05:20:48 PM
Karl Urban hasn't found any heroes yet...
Isnt that Marshal Law?
Imo Stormwatch team Achiles us the best work on the theme.
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: Steve Green 06 April, 2018, 05:24:39 PM
Yes, it was a comment on the similarities.
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: Richard 07 April, 2018, 02:12:52 PM
Why isn’t Simon Pegg in this, FFS?
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: rogue69 07 October, 2018, 09:48:51 AM
Simon Pegg has been announce as Wee Hugie's Fatherin this
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: TordelBack 07 October, 2018, 10:18:10 AM
Simon Pegg has been announce as Wee Hugie's Fatherin this

Brilliant!  Hopefully this means they'll incorporate the Wee Hughie smuggler spin-off miniseries at some point,  which I loved. The Boys is one of my favourite Ennis works (far more so than the gauche machismo of Preacher), and if they can get the tone right it could make great TV.
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: Richard 07 October, 2018, 11:35:16 AM
That's good news.
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: Steve Green 07 October, 2018, 11:36:30 AM
There is a teaser here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx7zSgoVJZI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx7zSgoVJZI)
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: JayzusB.Christ 07 October, 2018, 11:39:23 AM
Simon Pegg has been announce as Wee Hugie's Fatherin this

The Boys is one of my favourite Ennis works (far more so than the gauche machismo of Preacher), and if they can get the tone right it could make great TV.

With you all the way there, TB.  For all the sick humour and censor-baiting anti-PC sex and violence, The Boys has a far more sophisticated and engaging plot than Preacher does, and Wee Hughie, Butcher and the gang are much more likeable than Jesse (at least Butcher's macho-man bullyboy bastardy isn't presented as some kind of all-American, clean-cut, old-time heroism).

Really looking forward to this. Hopefully they'll keep it close to the comics.

EDIT - just looked at the teaser; looks absolutely perfect so far.  Just hope Karl isn't too busy being Butcher to be Dredd too.
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: TordelBack 07 October, 2018, 11:50:40 AM
There is a teaser here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx7zSgoVJZI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx7zSgoVJZI)

Oh I'll have a bit of that!  Not entirely sure about Our Karl as Butcher, but then I wasn't sure about him as Eomer,  Bones or Dredd either and that seemed to work out okay...

If they get Maeve right I'll be very impressed, but casting McElligott is a good start.
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: dweezil2 07 October, 2018, 04:05:33 PM
Having the superhero genre mercilessly ridiculed is worth the admission price alone, having Karl Urban involved is just the cherry on top!  :D
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: sheridan 07 October, 2018, 07:56:31 PM
There is a teaser here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx7zSgoVJZI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx7zSgoVJZI)

Oh I'll have a bit of that!  Not entirely sure about Our Karl as Butcher, but then I wasn't sure about him as Eomer,  Bones or Dredd either and that seemed to work out okay...


I still think it's amazing that one actor plays three such different characters, and does so so well!
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: Dandontdare 08 October, 2018, 11:55:27 AM
This may be enough to tempt me back to Amazon prime
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: moogie101 09 October, 2018, 03:33:04 PM
Love the comics & that teaser genuinely made me smile at the end. If done right this could be superb.
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: Proudhuff 21 November, 2018, 12:55:37 PM
Any further word on this?
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: Proudhuff 29 November, 2018, 01:17:41 PM
That will be a no then  :lol:
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: JayzusB.Christ 05 December, 2018, 05:43:42 PM
Any further word on this?

They want you to play Monkey.
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: Proudhuff 06 December, 2018, 11:42:52 AM
Do I get my own cloud?

(https://images.ecosia.org/ShUHCJVpH1ilwX_sGMoy0eMJZJU=/0x390/smart/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.visiontimes.com%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F01%2FScreen-Shot-2015-01-26-at-1.10.36-AM.png)
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: TordelBack 06 December, 2018, 01:52:00 PM
Any further word on this?

They want you to play Monkey.

I was thinking he'd be better suited to playing Wee Hughie's landlord.
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: JayzusB.Christ 07 December, 2018, 01:30:29 PM
Do I get my own cloud?



Only by blowing on your wagging finger.
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: rogue69 24 January, 2019, 08:29:52 PM
A new trailer has been released
https://comicbook.com/tv-shows/2019/01/24/the-boys-trailer-amazon-tv-series-2019/
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: JayzusB.Christ 26 January, 2019, 05:59:45 PM
Sounds like Hughie's a yank here. Ah well, I can live with that. Still looks very promising
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: Richard 26 January, 2019, 08:36:07 PM
I hope it's better than the Preacher tv show, but it's made by the same people.
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: JayzusB.Christ 27 January, 2019, 03:05:34 PM
I gave up on Preacher halfway through the second series. But then, the source material got on my tits a bit too.

At least there's a few f-bombs thrown about in that The Boys trailer.  The Preacher series seemed a bit odd without them.  I know swearing isn't big or clever or necessary for a good show, but, well, it's Preacher.
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: Richard 27 January, 2019, 04:52:06 PM
The trouble with Preacher is that most of the source material is fantastic, but the TV people chose the most boring stories from the comic -- Odin Quincannon, and all the stuff in New Orleans. Then they made up a whole sub-plot about Arseface and Hitler which wasn't in the comic and  was boring and added nothing. Bizarre choices, and a squandered opportunity.
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: Funt Solo 27 January, 2019, 05:52:54 PM
For me, Preacher was all about movement: a road comic.  That the series chose to ground it in a single location speaks to a studios need for a core cast & a set that doesn't shift around too much.  Which is all fine, but it's not really Preacher.
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: JayzusB.Christ 29 January, 2019, 07:41:10 PM
Not too worried here about Hughie not being Scottish (Simon Pegg playing his dad makes me happy enough) but I really hope Butcher still talks like Michael Caine.  Otherwise he'll just be another Negan.
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: rogue69 18 March, 2019, 11:17:46 PM
the world premier of the Boys is to be held as part of the 2019 Tribca tv festival on April 29th at 8:45 PM,  at the SVA Theatre New York
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: rogue69 17 April, 2019, 10:33:36 PM
Amazon have announced the release date of 26 July 2019 & have put up a 1 minute teaser up on Prime today
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: IAMTHESYSTEM 18 April, 2019, 08:47:48 AM
Some tough stuff here so you've been warned — New Trailer for the Boys.

https://youtu.be/CD46c08MsHg
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: Proudhuff 18 April, 2019, 11:13:04 AM
can't access at work....maybe just as well  :lol:

As the only punter around here who liked Preacher on Telly, I'm looking forward to this, also the new Bosch on Friday 
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: Richard 18 April, 2019, 11:24:43 AM
That looks amazing! I have high hopes for this.
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: TordelBack 18 April, 2019, 11:35:17 AM
Go out on a limb here and say that is tonally perfect.  The gore even looks like Darick gore! Fingers crossed it's a good'un.
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: Tiplodocus 18 April, 2019, 05:39:40 PM
I'm on board for that.

Until I'm not.
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: Proudhuff 18 April, 2019, 06:29:08 PM
I'm on board for that.

Until I'm not.

This isn't the Jocks xmas pint thread...
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: JayzusB.Christ 20 April, 2019, 09:15:29 PM
Butcher's got the correct accent.  That's a genuine relief for me.
Can't wait for this
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: Dr Feeley Good 21 April, 2019, 12:17:16 PM
Never read the comic, the trailer looks good though, though as someone mentioned earlier very similar storyline to Marshal Law!
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: rogue69 25 May, 2019, 07:18:05 PM
Just been to a preview of episode one & I feel that it keeps to the style of the original comics the death of Hughie's girlfriend will have you laughing and grossed at the same time & sets the tone for the rest of the episode. Definitely one to watch
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: JayzusB.Christ 25 May, 2019, 08:44:33 PM
Sweet! Honestly can't wait. 
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: Dandontdare 09 July, 2019, 05:21:13 PM
New teaser trailer added to Amazon ... 26 July folks!

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/video/detail/B07QRYD5SS/ref=atv_hm_hom_3_c_HdZNg2_06NJcp_1_2 (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/video/detail/B07QRYD5SS/ref=atv_hm_hom_3_c_HdZNg2_06NJcp_1_2)
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: shaolin_monkey 09 July, 2019, 06:23:27 PM
Really looking forward to this! Karl’s accent is a bit weird, but whatever.
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: zombemybabynow 10 July, 2019, 06:32:20 AM
Wasn't sure about urban's accent either. Nor did Frenchie sound very French but still very excited. Wondering if the b'low job scene
Will actually be included?!
Ps. If you haven't read the comics - DO. They're f@@king brilliant
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: Dandontdare 10 July, 2019, 01:45:42 PM
Wondering if the b'low job scene
Will actually be included?!

If you mean when he blows the back of the girl's head off, then yes, it's in the teaser. The gore and violence is very graphic.
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: zombemybabynow 10 July, 2019, 03:37:55 PM
no i mean when the 7 guys make the new superheroine [who ends up dating hughy] - give them all head as an initiation
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: Dandontdare 10 July, 2019, 05:19:13 PM
Not sure, but I'd say it's highly likely - doesn't look like they're pulling any punches.
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: Woolly 10 July, 2019, 05:45:53 PM
no i mean when the 7 guys make the new superheroine [who ends up dating hughy] - give them all head as an initiation

Seriously? Thats in the comic?
I won't be reading that then. Or watching it.
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: Jim_Campbell 10 July, 2019, 05:49:22 PM
Seriously? Thats in the comic?
I won't be reading that then. Or watching it.

Garth demonstrating those impeccable feminist credentials of his again…?
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: Tiplodocus 10 July, 2019, 05:54:31 PM
I read it as (and I am pretty sure it is author's intent) sexual assault and wrong, wrong, wrong though Even I can think of better ways to get the same story points across without resorting to stuff that some people will still see as titillation. So hopefully  the showrunners can too.

Memory may be wrong - long time since I read it.

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: TordelBack 10 July, 2019, 06:42:45 PM
It's a critical event in the comic, and its impact on the character and indeed her sole female colleague creates several major story points and character moments (e.g. PoV character Wee Hughie utterly fails in his all-too believable male reaction to learning about it). It's not played for laughs or titillation, but obviously i don't know how the TV version will handle that.

The Boys comic is indeed Ennis's usual gross-out comedy violence, but it's also quite a hard-hitting parable about real-world power and what such enormous imbalance means. This is the context for Starlight's "initiation". 

I actually think it's his most nuanced work, and definitely my favourite of his. But it does depend on extreme violence and degradation,sexual and scatological humour, so I don't think it's for everyone.
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: Jim_Campbell 10 July, 2019, 06:54:37 PM
Fair enough. I haven’t read this, and it was a flippant remark. I’ve actively avoided Ennis’ work for many years because I find much of his humour puerile and his recurring anal rape motifs often veered alarmingly close to homophobia for me.

But if this plays as you say, then my snark was misplaced, and is withdrawn.
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: TordelBack 10 July, 2019, 07:26:37 PM
Oh I could be reading it completely wrong, have no fear. I've grown to dislike a lot of Garth's stuff over the years, Preacher in particular sliding ever-lower in my opinions, but despite many of the same sadistic tropes and a heavy debt to Marshal Law, The Boys really grabbed me .
 
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: Richard 10 July, 2019, 10:02:53 PM
It deals with the issues #Metoo raised several years before that happened. I think it's likely that the tv people will make it topical like that.
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: JayzusB.Christ 10 July, 2019, 10:15:36 PM
Oh I could be reading it completely wrong, have no fear. I've grown to dislike a lot of Garth's stuff over the years, Preacher in particular sliding ever-lower in my opinions, but despite many of the same sadistic tropes and a heavy debt to Marshal Law, The Boys really grabbed me .

Very much this ☝, especially regarding Preacher  (whose worst crime is to treat the protagonist, a bullying, narcissistic gobshite, as some kind of Randian demigod).

The Boys is what changed my view of Garth Ennis.  The storyline is infinitely more sophisticated than that of Preacher, and ita characters way more complex.  There are certainly events in it that gave my liberal sensibilities a bit of a jolt but it's worth it for a rip-roaring madhouse of a comic with genuine cleverness and wit behind the sex, gore and explosions.
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: zombemybabynow 11 July, 2019, 11:45:44 AM
Seriously? Thats in the comic?
I won't be reading that then. Or watching it.

Yup - it's hardcore violence, hardcore sex-stuff

I read it when it came out and due to it being a comic book, the gore didn't really affect me - whereas the tv trailer was yucksville

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: rogue69 20 July, 2019, 09:04:58 AM
season 2 has been confirmed
highlights from the SDCC talk

https://www.facebook.com/TheBoysTV/videos/477996522964140/
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: Tiplodocus 23 July, 2019, 08:30:20 PM
A final trailer popped up on YouTube. Cautiously optimistic.
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: IAMTHESYSTEM 23 July, 2019, 09:28:19 PM
It's class war disguised a Superhero's vs the norms. I'm looking forward to seeing this though it does look a bit OTT gore wise which can be a turn off for some viewers.
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: JayzusB.Christ 23 July, 2019, 10:09:42 PM
It's class war disguised a Superhero's vs the norms.

I never thought of that. Bang on the button, though.  The Homelander : blond, rich, vain and self-obsessed, caring very little for the ordinary people he purports to be saving; a little bit like... ah, never mind.
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: IAMTHESYSTEM 23 July, 2019, 10:46:03 PM
It's class war disguised a Superhero's vs the norms.

I never thought of that. Bang on the button, though.  The Homelander : blond, rich, vain and self-obsessed, caring very little for the ordinary people he purports to be saving; a little bit like... ah, never mind.

 :lol: :lol: :lol:
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: broodblik 26 July, 2019, 08:24:11 PM
Watch the first episode and enjoyed quite a lot. So far so good  :thumbsup:
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: rogue69 26 July, 2019, 09:20:24 PM
All 8 episode now up on Amazon Prime
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: Dandontdare 26 July, 2019, 11:59:02 PM
Just watched the first ep, and fuck yeh!

Well adapted without losing anything essential - I think it was a good idea to show Hughie and Starlight's stories before Butcher is introduced, but my only gripe is where the fuck he's supposed to come from. He starts in South Africa, takes a whistlestop tour of the South East of England, with the occasional leap to the antipodes, and I'm  not quite sure where we've landed.
Best bit - Simon Pegg as Hughie's dad!

right - ep2 queued....
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: moly 27 July, 2019, 11:19:20 AM
Watched the 1st episode last night enjoyed it but Urbans accent is aweful actually said To my wife about his Aussie accent and she said he was cockney that's why they played London calling
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: BPP 27 July, 2019, 12:05:12 PM
Fair enough. I haven’t read this, and it was a flippant remark. I’ve actively avoided Ennis’ work for many years because I find much of his humour puerile and his recurring anal rape motifs often veered alarmingly close to homophobia for me.

But if this plays as you say, then my snark was misplaced, and is withdrawn.

There is no doubt Ennis knows how to push buttons and doesn’t shy from stories dealing with sexual violence but his Dear Billy 4 parter from War Stories is one of the most devastating and tender accounts of the harm sexual violence does to victims and their nearest.

His approach to sexual violence / sex / violence is very varied - it can be shocking and graphic background material that is either ridiculously framed (crossed) or sensitively done (a walk through hell) or played as pure comedy (a train called love) or as the pivot point of a serious comic (the last Russian winter, dear billy) but mostly it comes across intelligently in terms of his goals. I always through crossed was instructive - Ennis (and also Spurrier) seldom went for the ‘look at this, now this, now this’ shock potential of crossed but always for the ‘human-survivor scrambling for dignity and sanity’ while other authors (sadly including the great David Lapham) just went for GORE! RAPE! VIOLENCE!

It’s been said more than few times that Garth’s shlocky hits (the boys, crossed) where what allowed publishers to indulge him his historical war comics - a genre that’s sadly clearly not commercially successful. That does sadly make a lot of sense.

As for The Boys series - watched 2 so far and its very enjoyable but neither butcher nor hugie remind me in anyway of their comic origins. Urban is just too small and his accent all over the shop (but he’s good if you forget it’s meant to be butcher). Likewise frenchie. Doesn’t make it not enjoyable but does make it slightly odd, plus... where is Terror!
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: Proudhuff 27 July, 2019, 03:27:19 PM
It's class war disguised a Superhero's vs the norms.

I never thought of that. Bang on the button, though.  The Homelander : blond, rich, vain and self-obsessed, caring very little for the ordinary people he purports to be saving; a little bit like... ah, never mind.

 :thumbsup: :D
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: dweezil2 27 July, 2019, 03:30:42 PM
Fair enough. I haven’t read this, and it was a flippant remark. I’ve actively avoided Ennis’ work for many years because I find much of his humour puerile and his recurring anal rape motifs often veered alarmingly close to homophobia for me.

But if this plays as you say, then my snark was misplaced, and is withdrawn.

There is no doubt Ennis knows how to push buttons and doesn’t shy from stories dealing with sexual violence but his Dear Billy 4 parter from War Stories is one of the most devastating and tender accounts of the harm sexual violence does to victims and their nearest.

His approach to sexual violence / sex / violence is very varied - it can be shocking and graphic background material that is either ridiculously framed (crossed) or sensitively done (a walk through hell) or played as pure comedy (a train called love) or as the pivot point of a serious comic (the last Russian winter, dear billy) but mostly it comes across intelligently in terms of his goals. I always through crossed was instructive - Ennis (and also Spurrier) seldom went for the ‘look at this, now this, now this’ shock potential of crossed but always for the ‘human-survivor scrambling for dignity and sanity’ while other authors (sadly including the great David Lapham) just went for GORE! RAPE! VIOLENCE!

It’s been said more than few times that Garth’s shlocky hits (the boys, crossed) where what allowed publishers to indulge him his historical war comics - a genre that’s sadly clearly not commercially successful. That does sadly make a lot of sense.

As for The Boys series - watched 2 so far and its very enjoyable but neither butcher nor hugie remind me in anyway of their comic origins. Urban is just too small and his accent all over the shop (but he’s good if you forget it’s meant to be butcher). Likewise frenchie. Doesn’t make it not enjoyable but does make it slightly odd, plus... where is Terror!

Punisher: Born is one of the finest comics I have ever read.
When Ennis is on form he's almost untouchable.  :thumbsup:
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: Tiplodocus 30 July, 2019, 11:46:09 PM
Four episodes in and I am enjoying it. They manage to keep a lid on the misogyny and gratuitous sex, it's getting funnier but characters don't gel with the bits of The Boys I've read (first twenty issues about ten years ago I think).

But rereading first two issues (only ones still in the Tips house) and they are helluva talkie and a lot less fun than this show. So reckon they are doing ok.
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: Frank 31 July, 2019, 12:27:34 AM

Slipknot release sequel to Mull Of Kintyre: https://youtu.be/V3ADK6gsDGg


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: BPP 01 August, 2019, 12:22:42 AM

Slipknot release sequel to Mull Of Kintyre: https://youtu.be/V3ADK6gsDGg

How weird.
And how weirdly polished that sounds. The U2 of whatevercore that is.

Finished The Boys - enjoyable but misses so much of the original spirit (hughie’s innocence, butchers physicality and menace, the female, the heroes sheer venality) it’s a strange beast. Lots to enjoy but the plot threads pulled at the end of the season are strange and somewhat self-defeating. An enjoyable but qualified success. 
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: Rately 01 August, 2019, 01:13:05 PM
Fair enough. I haven’t read this, and it was a flippant remark. I’ve actively avoided Ennis’ work for many years because I find much of his humour puerile and his recurring anal rape motifs often veered alarmingly close to homophobia for me.

But if this plays as you say, then my snark was misplaced, and is withdrawn.

There is no doubt Ennis knows how to push buttons and doesn’t shy from stories dealing with sexual violence but his Dear Billy 4 parter from War Stories is one of the most devastating and tender accounts of the harm sexual violence does to victims and their nearest.

His approach to sexual violence / sex / violence is very varied - it can be shocking and graphic background material that is either ridiculously framed (crossed) or sensitively done (a walk through hell) or played as pure comedy (a train called love) or as the pivot point of a serious comic (the last Russian winter, dear billy) but mostly it comes across intelligently in terms of his goals. I always through crossed was instructive - Ennis (and also Spurrier) seldom went for the ‘look at this, now this, now this’ shock potential of crossed but always for the ‘human-survivor scrambling for dignity and sanity’ while other authors (sadly including the great David Lapham) just went for GORE! RAPE! VIOLENCE!

It’s been said more than few times that Garth’s shlocky hits (the boys, crossed) where what allowed publishers to indulge him his historical war comics - a genre that’s sadly clearly not commercially successful. That does sadly make a lot of sense.

As for The Boys series - watched 2 so far and its very enjoyable but neither butcher nor hugie remind me in anyway of their comic origins. Urban is just too small and his accent all over the shop (but he’s good if you forget it’s meant to be butcher). Likewise frenchie. Doesn’t make it not enjoyable but does make it slightly odd, plus... where is Terror!

Punisher: Born is one of the finest comics I have ever read.
When Ennis is on form he's almost untouchable.  :thumbsup:

Totally agree. His work on The Punisher is astounding, adding some weight to a Slasher-style character, and skillflly bounces him from comedy to violence and everything in between.

Often wonder if we will ever see Ennis turn his hand to Dredd again. Would be interesting to see how he would approach the character after all these years.
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: broodblik 04 August, 2019, 02:12:12 PM
Watched the last episode and I can recommend the show.  :thumbsup:
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: JayzusB.Christ 05 August, 2019, 01:51:16 PM
Been binge-watching too and yep, it very much captures the spirit of the comic.  I do agree that our Karl's cockney accent is as jarringly bad as Joe Gilgun's Dublin one, but at least they haven't turned everyone into a septic.

I really don't mind that Hughie is American - I expected his dad to be Scottish, but never mind (but where did that 'jings' come from?).  I like that they've ditched the 90s leather goth coats too.  I had one and even Mr Midlife Crisis here wouldn't be seen dead in it now.  Also was surprised by Mallory's reveal, but feck it, why not?

I'm wondering too if they'll ever call themselves The Boys and jack up some V.  But either way up, I'm happy.

All in all, so far, so good.

: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: Bad City Blue 05 August, 2019, 03:31:34 PM
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: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: Dandontdare 05 August, 2019, 04:35:24 PM
Enjoyed the programme generally, but wasn't keen on the "ending" , or rather the lack of ending - just clumsily hanging plot threads to set up a second season.
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: JayzusB.Christ 05 August, 2019, 05:50:54 PM
I didn't mind the ending.  A radical departure from the comic here but it's left me wanting more, so job done, I suppose.
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: Trooper McFad 09 August, 2019, 06:11:20 PM
Watched the first 2 and enjoying it so far- haven’t read the books but once finished I might just go and purchase- did the same with TWD and enjoyed the books more.
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: Proudhuff 10 August, 2019, 02:16:24 PM
Totally enjoying the series, about half way through, the flying flipper was a hoot!
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: JayzusB.Christ 11 August, 2019, 06:36:07 PM
Can't remember now if The Deep was in the comic.  He does seem very much like an Ennis character: A bit of a perv and a schadenfreude-heavy hard luck case.
The gills bit made me wince.
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: Dandontdare 12 August, 2019, 01:14:40 AM
In the comic he wore a full deep-sea diving suit with helmet and never spoke or showed his face- basically, all they kept was the name.
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: Proudhuff 12 August, 2019, 11:56:25 AM
In the comic he wore a full deep-sea diving suit with helmet and never spoke or showed his face- basically, all they kept was the name.

a bit like Black Noir?
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: Mardroid 12 August, 2019, 02:45:25 PM
The gills bit made me wince.

Me too. I guess he got his comeuppance, but... yikes!

He got some comedy moments later, which made me chuckle.*

* Not that I find the death of animals funny, you understand, but the framing was very amusing.
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: JayzusB.Christ 13 August, 2019, 10:29:55 PM
In the comic he wore a full deep-sea diving suit with helmet and never spoke or showed his face- basically, all they kept was the name.

Ah yeah, I remember now.  Probably a good idea to change him for the show; as Proudhuff points out there's already a faceless silent type in the Seven.
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: Professor Bear 13 August, 2019, 11:22:42 PM
Binged it all in one go, and I don't know why everyone is so down on Urban's Australian accent, I think he really nails it, and it's certainly a lot better than Hughie's Scotch accent.
The show felt surprisingly current for something based on a comic that aged poorly, with the corporate stuff being bang on and the cast are really good.  I felt it diverged wildly from the comic, retaining its shocks and characters, but the show does feel like it's missing the immediacy and anger of the book.  Still really enjoyable if you can watch it as its own thing, though.

I find much of his humour puerile and his recurring anal rape motifs often veered alarmingly close to homophobia for me.

The various "man in a dress" jokes in Preacher, Punisher, Hitman, etc have arguably not aged well.
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: Proudhuff 14 August, 2019, 02:52:49 PM
Binged it all in one go, and I don't know why everyone is so down on Urban's Australian accent, I think he really nails it, and it's certainly a lot better than Hughie's Scotch accent.

 :lol: :lol: :lol:
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: JayzusB.Christ 16 August, 2019, 10:06:39 AM
Binged it all in one go, and I don't know why everyone is so down on Urban's Australian accent, I think he really nails it, and it's certainly a lot better than Hughie's Scotch accent.

How come YOU don't get in trouble for saying it, and I get crucified?  ;)

Just wondering though, with that massively revised storyline, how is Butcher going to continue as Butcher with his whole raison d'etre wiped out after one season? And Hughie for that matter, now that he has kind of forgiven A-Train?
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: Frank 16 August, 2019, 12:34:42 PM
Scotch

How come YOU don't get in trouble for saying it, and I get crucified?  ;)

You got a Scotch emigre. Something weird happens to us when we leave. We sing about missing the hills and lochs of Brigadoon and use all the money we save in tax to fund political campaigns.


: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: Funt Solo 16 August, 2019, 02:24:05 PM
Fanny baws.
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: JayzusB.Christ 16 August, 2019, 03:27:08 PM
Fanny baws.

 :lol:
If it wasn't for Middenface McNulty and Irvine Welsh, I wouldn't know what you're all on about half the time 😉
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: sheridan 17 August, 2019, 08:49:04 AM
You got a Scotch emigre. Something weird happens to us when we leave. We sing about missing the hills and lochs of Brigadoon and use all the money we save in tax to fund political campaigns.


You don't spend it on whiskey then?
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: sheridan 17 August, 2019, 08:54:20 AM
Can't remember now if The Deep was in the comic.  He does seem very much like an Ennis character: A bit of a perv and a schadenfreude-heavy hard luck case.
The gills bit made me wince.

Not having read the comic, I'm now thinking of this (if you ever go to Hull, this is the best thing to do there*):

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b0/The_Deep%2C_Kingston_upon_Hull_-_geograph.org.uk_-_660427.jpg) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Deep_(aquarium))


Other attractions being the museums and Spiders...
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: JayzusB.Christ 18 August, 2019, 05:23:21 PM
Can't remember now if The Deep was in the comic.  He does seem very much like an Ennis character: A bit of a perv and a schadenfreude-heavy hard luck case.
The gills bit made me wince.

Not having read the comic, I'm now thinking of this (if you ever go to Hull, this is the best thing to do there*):

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b0/The_Deep%2C_Kingston_upon_Hull_-_geograph.org.uk_-_660427.jpg) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Deep_(aquarium))


Other attractions being the museums and Spiders...


That looks proper cool.  I hope it's called the Hull Hull.
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: Mattofthespurs 04 September, 2019, 04:08:22 PM
Just watched the first four episodes back to back. It's brilliant.
Not read the comic but have just ordered the first omnibus.
I have a feeling this is going to cost me  :lol:
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: rogue69 19 September, 2019, 06:34:45 PM
The Boys is officially more popular than any of the Marvel series


https://metro.co.uk/2019/09/16/boys-amazon-prime-officially-popular-marvel-series-rightly-10751433/?ito=article.amp.share.top.twitter
: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: Rately 20 September, 2019, 01:58:30 PM
It was really very good, even with the divergences from the Comic, though I'm assuming that some of the stuff they cut out could be added back in over the coming season/s.

Butcher wielding the baby was brilliant stuff.

: Re: The Boys TV series - Karl Urban cast as Butcher
: IndigoPrime 06 October, 2019, 11:45:26 AM
This was a curious one in this household. Mrs G gave up on Preacher after about three episodes. She hated it. (I haven’t finished it myself yet either.) So I was surprised she was keen on watching something else by Garth Ennis, although she didn’t realise there was any link between the series before we watched. (Context: Mrs G is a geek, but less so than I am. She also loves Dredd.) I hadn’t read The Boys, so we went in blind.

Some serious shit went down in the series as a whole, and there were some sick laugh-out-loud moments (like the baby weapon). It rattled along at a fair old lick (eight episodes and done – Doctor Who, take note, perhaps). And it – mostly – got the balance right regarding things like treatment of various characters and situations, despite unsurprisingly being a very bloke-heavy series.

So I thought I’d then go back and read the comic, and – wow. To be fair, I’ve only read the first volume so far, but it’s a hair’s breadth from Big Dave at times. It’s rampantly BIG MEN PUNCHES THINGS, sexist and homophobic. I can already see how they saw it as decent source material for a TV show, but this article (https://www.criticalhit.net/entertainment/amazons-the-boys-is-better-than-the-comics-because-it-knows-what-to-leave-out/) nailed it for me on that TV show being superior because it knew what to leave out.

I’m sure many people here and elsewhere would disagree. But the comic feels too close to the 4chan wet dream it’s attempting to lampoon, whereas the TV show is actually pretty nuanced, despite also having regular shocking moments. So I find myself looking forward to season 2, but not terribly fussed about reading the other books lurking in my Humble Bundle archive. (Do they get better?)