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Title: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: Colin YNWA on 12 May, 2018, 01:30:20 pm
Well that was a great little Prog. Beginnings, endings, and one offs. A nice little balancing act there.

Anyway under another wonderful Ezquerra cover we have a really fun one off Dredd. I'm really enjoying Rory McConville's work and his Dredd is great. This is a really fun light throw away gag done really y well and I've said all that needs to be said before about how great Dan Cornwell is and he's just getting better.

Arh Sinister Dexter. Its been so great to have you around for this extended run. Dan Abnett has been so ably assisted by the Mighty Yeowell this really is S&D at its very best and the final episode in the run doesn't disappoint at all/

Skip Tracer is such a proficient openner. Peatty and Marshal, set up our over crowded dystopian world and we don't have time to worry about the fact that it might be a little cliche before we have some blistering action and a nice bit of intrigue at the end to pull us back for more. 5 pages used very professionally and I'm optimistic this one could go places.

Deadworld likewise neaty sets the scene, clearly recaps without reallyfeeling too recappy and then set up our challenge which is one that has me very excited. Great return... christ to think I didn't used to get on with the strip. The last few stories have really cemented this one as a fav.

Finally Strontium Dog ends what's been a very interesting story which got better and better... until... well if I'm honest it kinda fumbled the ending a little, as if Wagner wasn't quite sure how to draw a neat line under it. Still fun episode and really looking forward to this one coming back. 

So that's been a great run of stories, segwaying into some good looking new stuff with the promise of other good stuff and Survival Geeks next week and made all the sweeter with an advert for KIngmaker's return.

Nice!
Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 12 May, 2018, 03:01:03 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/YsxYDse.jpg)
Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: Woolly on 12 May, 2018, 07:27:58 pm
That robot they decided to go after last week steals the show with his antics and one-liners, and he's a strong enough character to have been the main bad guy for a whole ten episode series, but Wagner just used him for a total of five pages and still created a very memorable character. This story ends perfectly.

Yup, this series has been fantastic stuff and probably the best of the new Stront so far IMO.
Also, considering how Wagner manages to make Stront an ongoing narrative at times, I wouldn't be surprised to see Silverman return in the next story.
Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: Leigh S on 12 May, 2018, 09:24:23 pm
I thought the same about Silverman - there's got to be mileage in Alpha having to clean up a job he has already claimed the bounty on!

That robot they decided to go after last week steals the show with his antics and one-liners, and he's a strong enough character to have been the main bad guy for a whole ten episode series, but Wagner just used him for a total of five pages and still created a very memorable character. This story ends perfectly.

Yup, this series has been fantastic stuff and probably the best of the new Stront so far IMO.
Also, considering how Wagner manages to make Stront an ongoing narrative at times, I wouldn't be surprised to see Silverman return in the next story.
Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 12 May, 2018, 09:41:00 pm
Sin/Dex - a question. I presume the old style caption boxes/lettering are a deliberate reference to Commando comics? (I haven’t read one of those in literally decades)
Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: Colin YNWA on 12 May, 2018, 09:46:34 pm
I assumed it was early Battle, specifically Johnny Red. I do however have a long history of getting stuff wrong!
Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: PsychoGoatee on 12 May, 2018, 11:32:19 pm
Homies under der hammer is a great title, and would be a good album title for a funk metal band!
Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: Steve Green on 13 May, 2018, 02:50:39 pm
Looking at some old Johnny Red captions, they tend to be sans serif, Helvetica maybe, not a serif font like here.

Unless there was something else being referenced.

I just found it harder work than normal.
Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: Bolt-01 on 14 May, 2018, 01:19:30 pm
As much as I'm enjoying the prog- and I am- I really wish that Tharg had put some extra thought into the look for the VR pages.

The font chosen wasn't the best and unfortunately Steve's 'open' artwork my not have been the best suited to those scenes. Maybe calling in PJ for those pages would have worked better? Also- remember the 3riller with the old war comics characters that Boo Cook drew? Am I right in remembering that on the flashback pages for that there was an 'aged' look to the borders? That would have suited this section in my opinion.

That being said- a superb run of progs- and after talking to Carlos over the weekend that he only finished drawing this strip 2 weeks ago It renders null and void any queries as to any issues on the art. The maestro delivered in a pinch.
Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: IndigoPrime on 14 May, 2018, 02:46:51 pm
Progress. Boo and hiss. (Got the Meg on Sat, at least.)
Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: Steve Green on 14 May, 2018, 04:35:07 pm
Pretty sure it's the same typeface used for the captions in Black Shuck - but what Bolt said, I think Gunheads did a much better job of that kind of retro homage.
Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: Bolt-01 on 14 May, 2018, 04:41:27 pm
Gunheads! That was it.

Cheers Steve.
Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: Link Prime on 14 May, 2018, 04:43:05 pm
Progress. Boo and hiss.

The left will eat itself.
Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: Frank on 14 May, 2018, 05:03:58 pm
... after talking to Carlos over the weekend (I learned) that he only finished drawing this strip 2 weeks ago ... The maestro delivered in a pinch.

Ah ... So Strontium Dog was moved forward in the schedule to fill the slot originally allocated to Durham Reboot.*


* after Ben Willsher stood on a series of rakes
Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: Blue Cactus on 14 May, 2018, 06:32:55 pm
Nice cover, although I'm not sure about the text. 'Partners in future crime'... Strontium Dog's aren't criminals, are they? Even if they do break the rules sometimes. Also the word 'homies' makes me boak, but not to worry.

Good wee Dredd. The payoff is fun, for me, but is only going to work for long-term Dredd readers - anyone who hasn't read the Judge Child Quest is going to be left scratching their heads and feeling like they missed something. Dan Cornwell is great and works perfectly with Abigail Bulmer's colours. Shame the two main judges here look almost identical on p.1, but that's a minor niggle.

Sin/Dex is fun.

Skip Tracer, too early to say, but it looks lovely (Paul Marshall really is consistently great, and Teague's colours set the mood well). The hero seems a wee bit nondescript but it's only been five pages so far after all!

Deadworld... have to agree with Colin here, reminds us what's gone before without being recap heavy, and sets up a mission which I am very excited to see. The horrors awaiting Jess in the city... I shudder to think but can't wait to find out. Kendall's art may have stepped up a notch here too, there a real clarity to the faces. Pick of the prog for me.

Stront - This has been a funny old story but has reminded me how great the strip can be when it returns to the central premise. Bounty hunting in a bizarre sci-fi universe. Endless mileage there for different types of stories. More please!

And my quote of the prog award goes to Silverman: 'Don't interrupt. I'm working myself into a frenzy'.
Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: PsychoGoatee on 16 May, 2018, 02:44:44 am
Also the word 'homies' makes me boak, but not to worry.

I googled the word boak to find out it's meaning, and I myself am fond of the word homies. But I am American.  :P I think this goes to show the beauty and majestry of different local dialects.

On partners in crime, that is sometimes used lightheartedly even for people with no connection to crime at all.
Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: Blue Cactus on 16 May, 2018, 11:01:27 am
Also the word 'homies' makes me boak, but not to worry.

I googled the word boak to find out it's meaning, and I myself am fond of the word homies. But I am American.  :P I think this goes to show the beauty and majestry of different local dialects.

On partners in crime, that is sometimes used lightheartedly even for people with no connection to crime at all.

Yeah, that's true enough. No worries on the 'homie' front, I just can't imagine Alpha or Kenton using the word! It didn't make me fully boak. Just a minor cowk  ;)
Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: Mardroid on 16 May, 2018, 11:35:58 am
I enjoyed that a lot. All the strips were good so far.

Judge Dredd: I confess the gag was lost on me, as I had forgotten the name. One quick check of the post above, okay, that makes sense!

Strontium Dog: As Silverman is a robot, with no DNA, how can they prove the job was done? Would camera footage be enough, in this instance? Actually, since he is a robot, covered in near indestructible armour, I reckon he’s still alive out there. He wouldn’t be able to do much, unless he’s got some rocket boosters or anti-grab tech, and I guess he’ll run out of power sooner or later (unless he is self charging* or solar powered) but there’s a possible loose end which could be taken up in a future tale...)

Sinister Dexter: Good silly fun.

Skip Tracer: A very nice set up. Nice art.

 Deadworld: I really like this strip, so it’s nice to see it back. Lovely, horrible, art (I’m sure you understand what I mean by that) and a promising set up for this tale. Is the Boneman Judge Death, I wonder? He looks different, so I wonder if this is another entity, or something existential. Maybe even Death, (a personification of the grim reaper, I mean, not the warped Judge).

I’m very much looking forward to Durham Red next week.

* The technology exists in this universe. Post-resurrection Johnny Alpha’s Westinghouse Blaster is self charging.
Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: wedgeski on 16 May, 2018, 01:15:59 pm
A great crop of stories this time around. Dredd solid as always, Stront ends in a very satisfactory manner, Deadworld might have got its hooks into me at last (maybe, possibly), and Skip Tracer is a little generic so far, but rendered really well. I ate it up this week.
Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: Frank on 16 May, 2018, 02:15:28 pm

(https://i.imgur.com/KFQ4ORG.png?2)

Rory McConnville biting the hand that feeds.  Dredd crawling through miles of shit may be a metaphor.


When the history of 2000ad subeditorial is written, it will be recorded that HOMIES UNDER THE HAMMER was bookended by a Megazine ad referencing NEW JACK CITY (https://i.imgur.com/iTuujLi.png). Like the rest of a culture where OJ (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5275892/) and Roseanne (http://deadline.com/2018/03/roseanne-revival-huge-ratings-premiere-stuns-hollywood-prompts-soul-searching-1202354973/) are relevant again, Tharg's going through an early nineties phase.[1]

Talking of strips commenting on themselves, Wulf signalling the creators' recreation of the pre-Final Solution status quo with 'JUST LIKE OLD TIMES' [2] would be a bit on-the-nose, if Kenton had one. Wagner set up the Meester's dilemma as a Brexit analogue, so it's interesting to see his solution to immigration is the same proposed for the NI border - automation. [3]

All the pedantry surrounding SinDex was about seriffed type, but the IRL portions of the story show them surrounded by skyscrapers ... yet the AR filters depict them going up, down & defying the ground (https://youtu.be/UPgS26ZhqZs) without going WTC. Not really the point, though; it was a fun conceit, even if the strip doesn't further Abnett's claim on an Eisner.


[1]  The tagline of the all-female creator Summer Special will be BITCHES AIN'T SHIT BUT HOES & TRICKS (https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6fdz1).

[2]  'NICE FIRST JOB ... THEY WON'T ALL WORK OUT SO WELL' seems like an accurate bit of prophecy/self-commentary, too

[3]  Robots (GIANT ROBOTS! (https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/10/109303/2419685-comic_0002.jpg)) are also Abelard Snazz's solution to the problem of a world besieged by criminals but I can't imagine David Davis is in Alan Moore's good books anyway, so he probably felt free to nick it the same Wagner did.
Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: broodblik on 16 May, 2018, 03:31:56 pm
Liked this weeks prog.

Dredd nice one-shot.

Deadworld this strip was never high on my list but it started to gel with me and I am now at the point where I really enjoy it

Strontium Dog liked the story and please more of this

Skip Tracer good start for  a new strip. This is one thing that I missed in the last year or so is some new stuff.

Glad to see Kingmaker returning (soon). This and Brink was my highlights from 2017
Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: Frank on 16 May, 2018, 06:17:44 pm
Glad to see Kingmaker returning (soon)

The choice of name's odd *

(https://i.imgur.com/JlmOoqU.png?2) (https://i.imgur.com/0YcnhzZ.png?4)


* It's an obscure reference and was first used last August. Maybe it's product placement, like Acclaim & Urban Strike in the 90s.
Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: broodblik on 16 May, 2018, 08:10:19 pm
The choice of name's odd

Maybe all stories will consume itself.
Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: A.Cow on 17 May, 2018, 01:44:57 am
The choice of name's odd

Not odd really; it's a name that is used by writers again and again (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouroboros_(disambiguation)).

Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: norton canes on 17 May, 2018, 10:29:04 am
I thought this was one of the most satisfying progs for a while - which isn't meant to denegrate recent efforts, as things have generally been excellent since the jumping-on prog. It's just that the stories this week particularly hit the spot.

Some nice humour in Dredd, especially the bits about what really went into Puke, and the cluelessness of the cult members. SinDex was wrapped with aplomb. Looks like we're going to be in for another gripping volume of Deadworld (sorry, Damned). Strontium Dog concluded with the ridiculous humour and lightness of touch that only John Wagner can bring.

Which leaves Skip Tracer, making a snappy five-page debut. Definite shades of Brink in the setting - or even Topsoil from the Dan Dare strips. Not sure how to put this in a way that doesn't sound insulting (which I don't want to do, I loved it!) but it seemed a bit more of an easy read than most other 2000 AD strips right now. Might be barking up the wrong tree but I thought perhaps it was something written for 2000 AD Regened but upgraded to the regular prog instead?

Anyway Kingmaker's on the way back too, it's going to be a great summer.
Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: JamesC on 17 May, 2018, 11:37:50 am
Lovely Cover.

I enjoyed Dredd but it did require a bit of Dreddworld knowledge so maybe not the best for first time readers. I don't approve of the Lawmaster design. It's definitey striking and well drawn and not a bad design for a futuristic bike but I always think the Lawmaster should look as 'Harley Davidson' in its design sensibilities as possible - it should be a big old American hog.

Sin Dex was enjoyable, though this wasn't my favourite of their recent adventures. Steve Yeowell did a much better job on this episode. The aircraft looked good and I didn't notice any dodgy hands or wonky faces.

Deadworld was fantastic. This story is so atmospheric. Definitely the best thing in the prog.

Skip Tracer was a fun introduction and I'm looking forward to seeing more. I'm assuming the title is supposed to be a job decription like Strontium Dog or Blade Runner but it conjures images of some chessy American name like Kip Lennon or Spanky Rogers.

Strontium Dog was good but just ended so abruptly and, I think, unsatisfyingly. Is Silverman really 'dead'? I hope they re-visit this story so we see what happens next.

Really looking forward to the return of Kingmaker - I love Leigh Gallagher's art and while not usually a fan of Edginton, he really pulled it out of the bag last time.
Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: Blue Cactus on 17 May, 2018, 12:03:04 pm
I enjoyed Dredd but it did require a bit of Dreddworld knowledge so maybe not the best for first time readers.

This seems to happen a little more regularly these days, and it bothers me a bit. In the past I think continuity references like this would usually be explained with a quick caption which would keep newer readers on board. Maybe captions are less in vogue these days, and obviously it wouldn't really work in this story since it's the payoff of the episode and would spoil the joke! But there have been a few references to Cal and suchlike in recent Dredds that seem to just assume reader knowledge rather than explain things. They always leaves me thinking new readers will feel excluded, and make the strip feel uncomfortably 'fan geeky'.


Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: Blue Cactus on 17 May, 2018, 12:04:27 pm

Spanky Rogers.



Love it!
Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: sheridan on 17 May, 2018, 12:54:52 pm
... after talking to Carlos over the weekend (I learned) that he only finished drawing this strip 2 weeks ago ... The maestro delivered in a pinch.

Ah ... So Strontium Dog was moved forward in the schedule to fill the slot originally allocated to Durham Reboot.*


* after Ben Willsher stood on a series of rakes

Is Ben doing Sideshow Bob impressions now?  (Ben - hope your health is improving!)
Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: sheridan on 17 May, 2018, 12:57:34 pm
Glad to see Kingmaker returning (soon)

The choice of name's odd *

(https://i.imgur.com/JlmOoqU.png?2) (https://i.imgur.com/0YcnhzZ.png?4)


* It's an obscure reference and was first used last August. Maybe it's product placement, like Acclaim & Urban Strike in the 90s.


Not that obscure - there's even an episode of Red Dwarf with that title.
Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: sheridan on 17 May, 2018, 01:02:52 pm
Which leaves Skip Tracer, making a snappy five-page debut. Definite shades of Brink in the setting - or even Topsoil from the Dan Dare strips. Not sure how to put this in a way that doesn't sound insulting (which I don't want to do, I loved it!) but it seemed a bit more of an easy read than most other 2000 AD strips right now. Might be barking up the wrong tree but I thought perhaps it was something written for 2000 AD Regened but upgraded to the regular prog instead?


Nah - there's nobody being killed in Regened, is there?  I thought that was one of the limitations on the Cadet Dredd strip - that it had to be shooty-free.
Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: sheridan on 17 May, 2018, 01:12:51 pm
Strontium Dog: As Silverman is a robot, with no DNA, how can they prove the job was done? Would camera footage be enough, in this instance? Actually, since he is a robot, covered in near indestructible armour, I reckon he’s still alive out there. He wouldn’t be able to do much, unless he’s got some rocket boosters or anti-grab tech, and I guess he’ll run out of power sooner or later (unless he is self charging* or solar powered) but there’s a possible loose end which could be taken up in a future tale...)


It's a loose end I spotted too, as I was reading it - I was expecting there to be some sort of follow-up to that panel showing how the robot would actually be killed/destroyed.  The sequel story will have him bumping in to Edwin, during one of this long periods drifting in space.
Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: JamesC on 17 May, 2018, 01:52:05 pm

Spanky Rogers.



Love it!

I mispelled his name but he's a real person:

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0737203/
Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: Frank on 17 May, 2018, 03:12:43 pm
Strontium Dog: As Silverman is a robot, with no DNA, how can they prove the job was done? Would camera footage be enough, in this instance? Actually, since he is a robot, covered in near indestructible armour, I reckon he’s still alive out there. He wouldn’t be able to do much, unless he’s got some rocket boosters or anti-grab tech, and I guess he’ll run out of power sooner or later

I'm no science-talking guy, but the extreme temperatures (http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20130920-how-cold-is-space-really) and lack of air pressure (https://science.howstuffworks.com/question540.htm) are as much a part of the hostile environment of space as the lack of oxygen.

Dude's armour is Silveranium*, but any fluids in his hydraulics would boil off or freeze. Presumably, the chipset inside his cock-tip head is just as vulnerable to atmospheric extremes as my phone, which goes mental if I spend too long outside in Winter. Being teleported into space would probably be worse?


* not actual (made-up) name
Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: Steve Green on 17 May, 2018, 03:18:57 pm
Alpha could have plotted it for Silverman to go into the nearest star for safety's sake, I imagine it's more John thinking there could be mileage in bringing him back, and being a bit less trigger happy about offing villains and heroes these days.
Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: norton canes on 17 May, 2018, 03:23:52 pm
Which leaves Skip Tracer, making a snappy five-page debut. Definite shades of Brink in the setting - or even Topsoil from the Dan Dare strips. Not sure how to put this in a way that doesn't sound insulting (which I don't want to do, I loved it!) but it seemed a bit more of an easy read than most other 2000 AD strips right now. Might be barking up the wrong tree but I thought perhaps it was something written for 2000 AD Regened but upgraded to the regular prog instead?


Nah - there's nobody being killed in Regened, is there?  I thought that was one of the limitations on the Cadet Dredd strip - that it had to be shooty-free.

Well, that's what I was getting at - planned for Regened but ultimately unsuitable.
Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: Mardroid on 17 May, 2018, 06:15:53 pm
Strontium Dog: As Silverman is a robot, with no DNA, how can they prove the job was done? Would camera footage be enough, in this instance? Actually, since he is a robot, covered in near indestructible armour, I reckon he’s still alive out there. He wouldn’t be able to do much, unless he’s got some rocket boosters or anti-grab tech, and I guess he’ll run out of power sooner or later (unless he is self charging* or solar powered) but there’s a possible loose end which could be taken up in a future tale...)


It's a loose end I spotted too, as I was reading it - I was expecting there to be some sort of follow-up to that panel showing how the robot would actually be killed/destroyed.  The sequel story will have him bumping in to Edwin, during one of this long periods drifting in space.

I just noticed I wrote (or my phone e autocorrected, maybe) 'anti-grab instead of 'anti-grav'.

I shall leave it as it is. I'm easily amused.
Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: The Enigmatic Dr X on 17 May, 2018, 08:24:57 pm
No proggage this week at X Towers. I've had three of the last five arrive more than 5 days later! One Saturday I got two progs.
Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: TordelBack on 17 May, 2018, 09:25:25 pm
If you like well-armed blokes hunting crims, this is the comic for you!

Very much liked that Dredd. Sure, it relied a bit too heavily on longterm reader knowledge to land its punchline, but I'm actually more unsure as to how much the ordinary citizen/crazy would know about Feyy's prophecy, much less the City of the Damned alternative ending.  However, this was another very welcome return to street-level silliness, following the last fortnight's biker grannies, and it was a clever idea and a well-structured story, as well as looking great. Yet again, I beseech Tharg for more of this secret-corrupt-ninja-judge-free type of stuff.

Deadworld was as excellent as always.  Wot, two Judge Child references in the same prog? What's a noob to do?

Not getting anything original from Skip Tracer (yet), but it's solid work and I love coming to grips with a new strip.

Sinister Dexter didn't end this superb run on a particularly high note, but it was certainly fun.  As others have said, a bit more playing with design of a strong concept might have helped it along.

Strontium Dog was an utter pleasure start to finish, and if that's Carlos in a last-minute gap-filling hurry, I'd like to see more - I thought it felt light and effortless, perfect for the story at hand.
Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: sheridan on 17 May, 2018, 10:35:09 pm
Very much liked that Dredd. Sure, it relied a bit too heavily on longterm reader knowledge to land its punchline, but I'm actually more unsure as to how much the ordinary citizen/crazy would know about Feyy's prophecy, much less the City of the Damned alternative ending.

I did wonder about this, the Proteus side should be a bit more secret, but Old Stoney Face went around half the Cursed Earth (not to mention galaxy) showing people Owen's photo.
Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: TordelBack on 17 May, 2018, 10:55:24 pm
Heh, good point!  I did love the idea of the city living past its destined end (2120, I presume), and slowly rotting ever since.  The obvious echoes (distorted source?) of Feyy's vision in Necropolis (2114) and Day of Chaos (2134) have always fascinated me.
Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: A.Cow on 18 May, 2018, 12:15:33 am
Nah - there's nobody being killed in Regened, is there?  I thought that was one of the limitations on the Cadet Dredd strip - that it had to be shooty-free.
Well, that's what I was getting at - planned for Regened but ultimately unsuitable.

I'm a bit confused at that.  What age range is Regened aimed at?  The early progs were packed with people being shot dead by the hero; they were (presumably) targeting 7-12 year olds at the time.  Even 'U' certificate Star Wars has a fairly high body count.
Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: Timothy on 18 May, 2018, 11:03:55 am
Times change.
Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: Steve Green on 18 May, 2018, 11:33:55 am
I'd say things have reversed - 1970/80s 2000AD more violent than the films that kids would see - these days, the comics aimed at that age group less violent than the films they might get to see.

But even then you could see how there was a backlash against violence in films with Spielberg removing guns from ET or Lucas removing squibs from Star Wars special editions.
Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: TordelBack on 18 May, 2018, 01:52:58 pm
Even 'U' certificate Star Wars has a fairly high body count.

Especially graphic too, if you consider BBQ Beru and strangled Captain Antilles...
Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: JOE SOAP on 18 May, 2018, 03:03:16 pm
Even 'U' certificate Star Wars has a fairly high body count.

Discounting Death Star destruction not as high as The Clone Wars (TV-PG) which feels closer to early 2000AD in terms of kill count plus the odd stabbing here or there.

Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: JOE SOAP on 18 May, 2018, 03:12:34 pm
And Rebels (TV-Y7) isn't much different; lots of killing there. Only difference is Ulysses 31 Ezra can only shock people with the blaster part of his lightsaber.
Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: JOE SOAP on 18 May, 2018, 03:19:39 pm
I'm a bit confused at that.  What age range is Regened aimed at?  The early progs were packed with people being shot dead by the hero; they were (presumably) targeting 7-12 year olds at the time.

The difference with Regened is they can't really show kids (Cadet Dredd) killing people.

Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: Steve Green on 18 May, 2018, 03:56:53 pm
I think the other main shift is that the characters should be the cooler older siblings or similar age to the readership (see last podcast)

With 2000 AD and Starlord it wasn't the case, the characters were mostly 30+. Bill Savage is a world away from the all-ages template of today.

I'm not sure if Dredd works as an all-ages strip other than the odd one-off, it just seems to have too many things to scare the parents, and end up having to naked Austin Powers it to avoid having Cadet Dredd shoot/stab/bludgeon someone.

Johnny Alpha to a lesser extent, but you'd probably be better coming up with new characters than trying to refactor existing killers.
Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: Frank on 18 May, 2018, 04:37:50 pm
naked Austin Powers it

New favourite verb.


Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: Steve Green on 18 May, 2018, 04:49:02 pm
Been listening to a lot of Space Spinner 2K.
Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: sheridan on 18 May, 2018, 05:25:53 pm
Even 'U' certificate Star Wars has a fairly high body count.

Especially graphic too, if you consider BBQ Beru and strangled Captain Antilles...

The biggest issue at the time was the alien blood in the cantina.
Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: A.Cow on 19 May, 2018, 12:09:34 am
The difference with Regened is they can't really show kids (Cadet Dredd) killing people.

Fair point; well made.
Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: Richard on 19 May, 2018, 01:06:52 am
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The difference with Regened is they can't really show kids (Cadet Dredd) killing people

Why can't they?  Kids would love that.
Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: JOE SOAP on 19 May, 2018, 01:44:23 am
Why can't they?  Kids would love that.

I'll let you mull over that one.
Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: Steve Green on 19 May, 2018, 09:31:01 am
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The difference with Regened is they can't really show kids (Cadet Dredd) killing people

Why can't they?  Kids would love that.

They're doing well enough at that in real life.
Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: A.Cow on 19 May, 2018, 01:08:53 pm
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The difference with Regened is they can't really show kids (Cadet Dredd) killing people
Why can't they?  Kids would love that.
They're doing well enough at that in real life.

Easily solved.  Forget the Cadet part.

Regened seems to be built on that flawed belief that kids will only consume stuff featuring other kids.  It's a popular misconception among focus-group-obsessed TV producers, who fail to notice the same audience flocking to watch middle-aged men in superhero films.
Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: JOE SOAP on 19 May, 2018, 01:30:46 pm

Or they just want to do something different with the character that hasn't been done as a series before i.e. we all ready have original Judge Dredd, Lawman of the Future, Judge Dredd Year One.



Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: Krakajac on 23 May, 2018, 08:58:30 am
Surprised to find the rather glaring typo in the Strontium Dog strip hasn't been mentioned yet?

If I'm correct, the story is set on the planet 'Protoz', right?

However, when Johnny sets off the time bomb, it states, 'the time bomb sends the robot hurtling seconds into the future - by which time EARTH has moved on...'

Yes, technically EARTH would've moved on as well, but I reckon they meant 'Protoz'. :)
Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: sheridan on 23 May, 2018, 01:00:02 pm
Surprised to find the rather glaring typo in the Strontium Dog strip hasn't been mentioned yet?

If I'm correct, the story is set on the planet 'Protoz', right?

However, when Johnny sets off the time bomb, it states, 'the time bomb sends the robot hurtling seconds into the future - by which time EARTH has moved on...'

Yes, technically EARTH would've moved on as well, but I reckon they meant 'Protoz'. :)

I did wonder about that when it was mentioned on this thread - I hadn't thought it took place on Earth (what with mutant bounty hunters being banned on the planet and all) but haven't re-read the strip since.
Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: norton canes on 24 May, 2018, 09:42:57 am
It's almost like John Wagner has that phrase copied to his clipboard and simply pastes it in every time it's required  :D
Title: Re: Prog 2081 - Homies under der hammer
Post by: Krakajac on 24 May, 2018, 03:47:09 pm
^ This. :)

Indeed - I reckon that phrase (or something similar) has been used quite a few times. :)