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Title: Top ten Dredds and top ten non-Dredd thrills
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 11 June, 2018, 01:18:16 pm
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As discussed on the podcast, and as suggested by AlexF, we are compiling two top ten lists.

Your top ten Dredd stories of all time.
And your top ten non-Dredd thrills.

Try and put them in order as well and send them to me at MCBCpodcast@gmail.com

We chatted about some of the rules on the Facebook page and the podcast thread here, and decided that for long running recurring characters you should vote for individual volumes or story arcs e.g. The Horned God, Halo Jones book 3, Zenith 4 etc

And if a story appeared in the Judge Dredd title then it's a Dredd story. But anything that appeared under its own title goes into the non-Dredd list.

So Midnight Surfer and Oz are Dredd stories, but Song of the Surfer is not. If that makes sense.

If anyone's vote needs clarification I will contact them.

Cheers all
Title: Re: Top ten Dredds and top ten non-Dredd thrills
Post by: Richard on 12 June, 2018, 07:57:24 pm
Is it just a list of titles you want, or reasons for choices?
Title: Re: Top ten Dredds and top ten non-Dredd thrills
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 12 June, 2018, 08:17:56 pm
Happy to take reasons. May get to read some of them on the show.
Cheers
Title: Re: Top ten Dredds and top ten non-Dredd thrills
Post by: credo on 13 June, 2018, 10:09:58 am
God this'll take ages!

Top 10 Dredd -

1. Midnight Surfer
2. Graveyard Shift
3. Block Mania
4. Pirates of the Black Atlantic
5. Necropolis
6. Apocalypse War
7. The Executioner
8. In The Bath
9. Black Plague
10. The Shooting Match

Top 10 Non-Dredd Stories -

1. Nemesis Bk 3
2. Strontium Dog - The Killing
3. Slaine The King
4. Indigo Prime - Killing Time
5. Zenith Phase 3
6. Strontium Dog - Portrait of a Mutant
7. ABC Warriors Bk 1
8. Shakara - The Destroyer
9. Nemesis Bk 7
10. Tyranny Rex - Deus Ex Machina
Title: Re: Top ten Dredds and top ten non-Dredd thrills
Post by: sheridan on 13 June, 2018, 12:54:39 pm
I'm sure it came up elsewhere, but does America count as Dredd or non-Dredd?  I don't remember it being under Dredd when originally published but suspect current editions are.
Title: Re: Top ten Dredds and top ten non-Dredd thrills
Post by: glassstanley on 13 June, 2018, 04:40:32 pm
America was published with a Judge Dredd title on its first run in the Megazine. Been left off at some point and I suspect it was misinterpreting this that led to its current classification of not being a Judge Dredd story.
Title: Re: Top ten Dredds and top ten non-Dredd thrills
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 13 June, 2018, 04:52:45 pm
Yes, I'm calling America a Dredd story.
Title: Re: Top ten Dredds and top ten non-Dredd thrills
Post by: Funt Solo on 13 June, 2018, 08:59:11 pm
Top Ten Dredd
   1. Block Mania                               
   2. The Apocalypse War   
   3. Judge Death Lives
   4. America
   5. Bury My Knee At Wounded Heart
   6. The Starborn Thing
   7. Cry Of The Werewolf
   8. Mechanismo
   9. Alabammy Blimps
   10. The Graveyard Shift
   
Top Ten Other
   1. The Ballad of Halo Jones [Book 1]
   2. Zenith [Phase 1]
   3. Nemesis the Warlock [Book 1]
   4. Rogue Trooper - Nu Earth Flashback - Cinnabar
   5. Strontium Dog - Portrait of a Mutant
   6. Anderson, Psi-Division - Hour of the Wolf
   7. Kingdom [Book 1]
   8. Slaine - The Horned God [Books 1-3]
   9. D.R. & Quinch - Go To Hollywood
   10. Firekind
Title: Re: Top ten Dredds and top ten non-Dredd thrills
Post by: Magnetica on 14 June, 2018, 08:12:17 pm
It’s an impossible question and the answers I will give will depend on what occurs to me at the time.

Anyway here goes.

Dredd
1. The Judge Child
2. The Mega Rackets
3. Judge Death Lives
4. Xmas comes early to Des O’Connor Block
5. New Year is Cancelled
6. Trifecta
7. America
8. Otto Sump’s Ugly Clinic
9. Day of Chaos
10. Six


Non Dredd
1. Nemesis book 1
2. Slaine Warrior’s Dawn
3. Nemesis Book 3
4. Nemesis Book 6
5. ABC Warriors 1
6. Zenith book 1
7. Slaine the King
8. The Last Rumble of the Platinum Horde
9. The Doc Quince Case
10. The God Droid
Title: Re: Top ten Dredds and top ten non-Dredd thrills
Post by: Richard on 16 June, 2018, 03:40:40 pm
Judge Dredd
1. Tale of the Dead Man
2. By Lethal Injection
3. America
4. The Graveyard Shift
5. Cockroaches (prog 1627)
6. Oz
7. Death of a Judge
8. Jimps
9. Mega-City Confidential
10. Choose Your Own Xmas

Non-Dredd
1. Anderson: Triad
2. Nemesis: Book VI
3. Strontium Dog: Rage
4. Strontium Dog: The Killing
5. Zenith: Phase IV
6. ABC Warriors: The Khronicles of Khaos
7. Halo Jones: Book III
8. Firekind
9. Slaughterbowl
10. Devlin Waugh: Chasing Herod / Reign of Frogs / Sirius Rising (it's all one story really)
Title: Re: Top ten Dredds and top ten non-Dredd thrills
Post by: Richard on 16 June, 2018, 03:46:41 pm
This is what I had to say about my first two choices in another thread way back in 2001 (SPOILERS):

"The effect Judge Morphy's murder had on Dredd -- blimey!  He nearly MURDERED the perp!.  I first read that story years and years ago (and many times since) and I still remember the suspense from that first reading when you don't know what Dredd will do.  Would he have gone all the way if Kraken hadn't been there?  I think Wagner should explore this angle again if he ever writes the demise of Dredd's career/life.

"My favourite ever episode of any story is the one where Kraken rescues the hostages.  He walks alone into the building, unarmed, in handcuffs, and surrenders.  Then he disarms a terrorist, massacres the lot of them and saves the hostages single-handed.  The other judges outside storm in fearing the worst... and he's just standing there like "can I help you?"  They give him a round of applause when he walks out. Even Dredd is impressed.  There is this page by Will Simpson with Kraken crouching in the middle, blazing away, and around him are four panels showing each terrorist getting blown away, falling through windows and over furniture, and huge gouts of blood spraying everywhere.

"In the epilogue story, By Lethal Injection, Kraken executes himself to prove he was worthy to be a judge.  He's all calm and defiant, and all the other judges are watching and can't quite believe it. And it had Carlos Ezquerra's best artwork out of the entire Necropolis epic."
Title: Re: Top ten Dredds and top ten non-Dredd thrills
Post by: Richard on 16 June, 2018, 03:59:49 pm
I'm too lazy to give reasons for all of my choices. But I had to mention Death of a Judge (prog 137).

It's a great introduction to Dredd's character for new readers, and a brilliant illustration of his morals and viewpoint. A judge is murdered at the beginning, and another judge who was in love with her storms off to murder (not execute) the perps who did it. Dredd kills the judge to stop him murdering one of the judge-killers. I was shocked the first time I read that, as a kid, but I also admired Dredd's decision. I also liked the trick title: you assume it refers to the death at the beginning, but it's really about the death of another judge at the end.

Cockroaches is just a brilliant and twisted idea for a story. I could happily read 30 episodes about that guy!

Nemesis Book VI is just one of the best things 2000AD has ever done. The vision of how the world ends and what ultimately becomes of the human race is something that has always stayed with me, and the crime Torquemada commits there elevates him to the most appalling villain in the whole comic. And there is a great little epilogue episode where Thoth is hunting down Torquemada's earlier incarnations, and he meets Colonel John Chivington of the US Cavalry in the 19th century, and it's all about the real-life massacre at Sand Creek, but without Pat Mills getting too preachy, just letting the facts speak for themselves. I was probably about 12 when I read it, and it was the first time I'd seen the Americans portrayed as the bad guys. It blew my mind. 2000AD at its best.
Title: Re: Top ten Dredds and top ten non-Dredd thrills
Post by: Tjm86 on 16 June, 2018, 10:12:48 pm
I'm going to repeat what I've said before.  To me, the greatest Dredd story will always be "Alone in a Crowd".  Notwithstanding Dillon's first and finest work on Dredd (for me), the multilayered story is incredibly subtle and intricate.  It captures perfectly the depersonalising nature of the meg, the claustrophobic quality of existence, the multiple threats citizens face, perps and normal 'citz' alike.  As a commentary on the tensions of modern life it works perfectly.  More to the point, it drives home its point so surreptitiously.  It is an absolute masterclass.
Title: Re: Top ten Dredds and top ten non-Dredd thrills
Post by: Funt Solo on 17 June, 2018, 04:16:13 am
Wait, reasons?

Top Ten Dredd
   1. Block Mania: "I'm with Rowdy Yates Block..." + the rain                               
   2. The Apocalypse War: stub guns bringing down the junction   
   3. Judge Death Lives: "Stare into the fist of Dredd" + four dark judges
   4. America: it sums up the democracy storyline
   5. Bury My Knee At Wounded Heart: pathos!
   6. The Starborn Thing: Dredd is vulnerable
   7. Cry Of The Werewolf: "Grim"
   8. Mechanismo: insane robots running amok
   9. Alabammy Blimps: it should be flatin' obvious
   10. The Graveyard Shift: everything about MC-1 in one story
   
Top Ten Other
   1. The Ballad of Halo Jones [Book 1] - it's about a shopping trip
   2. Zenith [Phase 1] - "Oh dear, I think I broke him"
   3. Nemesis the Warlock [Book 1] - even just for this cover (http://www.2000ad.org/covers/2000ad/mediumres/222.jpg)
   4. Rogue Trooper - Nu Earth Flashback - Cinnabar - reminds us that this can be a great thrill
   5. Strontium Dog - Portrait of a Mutant - thwup guns
   6. Anderson, Psi-Division - Hour of the Wolf: Kitson's art, plus the threat of Orlok
   7. Kingdom [Book 1] - anyone who doesn't have this in their top ten has a brain full of wrong
   8. Slaine - The Horned God [Books 1-3] - kind of sums it up beautifully
   9. D.R. & Quinch - Go To Hollywood: "Mind the oranges, Marlon" - I'm still getting new value out of this strip even though I read it in 1984
   10. Firekind - Well, if it's good enough for Jim Macaroon, it's good enough for me
Title: Re: Top ten Dredds and top ten non-Dredd thrills
Post by: abelardsnazz on 17 June, 2018, 07:08:13 pm
Dredd:
1. The Apocalypse War. Informed the future of Dredd's world like nothing else.
2. Day of Chaos. Wagner's game-changer turned everything on its head.
3. Tour of Duty. Richly detailed and nuanced.
4. The Pit. Showing the human side of judges.
5. Necropolis. Showing the horror more than the humour of Death and co.
6. The Dead Man. John Ridgway's hugely atmospheric art and that twist.
7. Trifecta. A crazy drunken idea that worked brilliantly.
8. Blood of Emeralds arc. Dredd's future is in safe hands.
9. Oz. Supersurf 10 is as gripping as a real race. Brendan McCarthy's Judda are one of his all-time best designs.
10. Midnight Surfer. The illicit exhilaration is tangible.

Non-Dredd:
1. Cradlegrave. You can feel the decay. Just brilliant.
2. Strontium Dog - Portrait of a Mutant. Seminal, universal story of fight against oppression.
3. Strontium Dog - Rage. And when that fight becomes darker and personal.
4. Devlin Waugh - Chasing Herod/Reign of Frogs/Sirius Rising arc. John Smith's imagination is boundless.
5. Anderson - Half-Life arc. Some of Arthur Ranson's panels could be on the walls of galleries.
6. Rogue Trooper - Cinnabar. The best original Rogue story, in my opinion.
7. Indigo Prime - Killing Time. Creators at the top of their game.
8. Brass Sun. INJ Culbard's precise art depicting the clockwork system and inhabitants with cinematic brilliance.
9. Slaine - The Books of Invasion. Clint Langley's widescreen images are something else.
10. Chopper - Song of the Surfer. A truly great character of Dredd's world, brilliant art by Colin MacNeil, a tragic ending...what's not to like?
Title: Re: Top ten Dredds and top ten non-Dredd thrills
Post by: PsychoGoatee on 18 June, 2018, 02:11:40 am
Lot of cool lists in here! Graveyard Shift has a memorable ending that changed how I look at Dredd a bit, which is cool. Necropolis would be on my list too for sure.
Title: Re: Top ten Dredds and top ten non-Dredd thrills
Post by: AlexF on 18 June, 2018, 02:15:35 pm
What's with the 'would be on my list'? Put it together and send it to Eamonn!!
Seeing other people's offerings already has me thinking I missed some crackers, but it's too late now.

Here's what I sent:
Top Ten non-Dredd Thrills:
1. Nemesis the Warlock Book 1
2. Low Life: Creation
3. Indigo Prime: Killing Time (but I cried inside about not finding space for Cradlegrave and the Herod epic)
4. Bad Company book 1
5. Anderson, Psi Division: The Protest
6. Strontium Dog: Incident on Mayjer Minor
7. Brink (man it was tough choosing this one over Brass Sun and indeed Lawless)
8. Caballistics, Inc: Downtime
9. Defoe: Brethren of the Night
10. Ace Trucking Co: The Doppelgarp (reckon I'll be on my own with this one, but I had to have some Belardinelli in there and the visual gags are killer in this story)


Top Ten Dredd Thrills:
1. The Dead Man
2. The Cursed Earth
3. America
4. Judge Death (the first story)
5. It Pays to be Mental
6. Rehab
7. Wot I did in my Summer Holidays (the second PJ Maybe story)
8. Road Stop
9. Letter from a Democrat
10. Unamerican Graffiti

-feel crazy about leaving out 'Alone in a Crowd', but there's so much amazing Dredd.
-fascinated that Nemesis VI is getting a lot of love - I knew it was good but I guess I need to read it again. For me it was a toss-up between Books I, IV and VII.
Title: Re: Top ten Dredds and top ten non-Dredd thrills
Post by: Huey2 on 19 June, 2018, 09:57:54 pm
Non Dredd
1). Nemesis Book 6
2). Strontium Dog Rage
3). A.B.C. Warriors on Mars – Mad George
4). Ace Trucking – Strike
5). Slaine the King
6). Bad Company Book 1
7). Balls Brothers
8). Button Man Book 3
9). Robo-Hunter – Farewell my billions
10). Big Dave – Target Baghdad

Dredd
1)   Judge Child Quest
2)   Revolution
3)   By Lethal Injection
4)   Tale of the Dead Man
5)   The Dead Man
6)   In the Bath
7)   The Pit
8)   Sin City
9)   Total War
10)   Slow Crime Day
Title: Re: Top ten Dredds and top ten non-Dredd thrills
Post by: Magnetica on 19 June, 2018, 11:02:15 pm
-fascinated that Nemesis VI is getting a lot of love - I knew it was good but I guess I need to read it again. For me it was a toss-up between Books I, IV and VII.

For me it’s book I then Book III then book VI. But I could easily put books IV and V on the list too.

So to provide some sort of answer as to “why Book VI”?

For me Bryan Talbot’s art is a huge part of it, especially the way he gets expressions out of Torquemada’s helmet. You just wouldn’t think such a thing was possible but he does it here. There is just a wonderful gothic sort of feel to the whole thing.

And I just lover those scenes on the beach, especially the way Torquemada gets the Terminators back on his side and that he never doubted it for a second.



Title: Re: Top ten Dredds and top ten non-Dredd thrills
Post by: The Mind of Wolfie Smith on 20 June, 2018, 05:29:10 pm
2000AD
1.   Blackhawk
2.   Halo Jones 2
3.   Fiends of the Eastern Front
4.   Disaster 1990
5.   Skizz
6.   The Stainless Steel Rat
7.   Slaine The Horned God
8.   The Mind of Wolfie Smith
9.   Summer Magic
10.   Savage 1

DREDD
1.   Battle of the Black Atlantic
2.   Tour of Duty
3.   Day of Chaos
4.   Blood of Satanus
5.   The Apocalypse War
6.   Judge Death
7.   Return of Rico
8.   The Judge Child
9.   City of the Damned
10.   The Emerald Isle
Title: Re: Top ten Dredds and top ten non-Dredd thrills
Post by: Bad City Blue on 21 June, 2018, 01:46:13 pm
Wow... seriously hard!

DREDD

1 - Finger Of Suspicion

2 - Apocalypse War (including Block Mania)

3 - Sob Story

4 - Origina

5 - the Pit

6 - AMerica

7 - Cry of The Werewolf

8 - Necropolis

9 - Judge Death

10 - the day the law Died (Judge Cal Saga)


2000AD

1 - Strontium Dog, Portrait Of A Mutant

2 - Halo Jones Book 3

3 - Skizz

4 - DR & Quinch Go To Hollywood

5 - Kingdom

6 - Slaine, The Horned God

7 - Nemesis, the Victorian EMpire

8 - the Stainless Steel rat For President

9 - Harry 20

10 - meltdown Man
Title: Re: Top ten Dredds and top ten non-Dredd thrills
Post by: ZenArcade on 21 June, 2018, 05:31:06 pm
Dredd:

1. Firepower
2. Trifecta
3. Apocalypse War
4. PJ Maybe age 13
5. The Graveyard Shift
6. Necropolis
7. The Mega Rackets
8. The Pit
9. Return of the King
10. Day of Chaos

Non Dredds

1. Glimmer Rats
2. Shakara
3. Firekind
4. Ace Trucking Co: Vol 1
5. Strontium Dog: The No Go Job
6. Venus Bluegenes: The pleasures of the Flesh
7. War Machine
8. Tyranny Rex: Deus ex Machina
9. Slaine: The King
10. Halo Jones

Z
Title: Re: Top ten Dredds and top ten non-Dredd thrills
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 21 June, 2018, 09:51:58 pm
Not one single Dante story yet?!
Title: Re: Top ten Dredds and top ten non-Dredd thrills
Post by: credo on 22 June, 2018, 12:09:20 pm
Not one single Dante story yet?!

Really wanted to include Dante in my list but ...

... I've not read it for quite a while and its awesomeness has pretty much blended into one continuous narrative. I could tell you lots of amazing things that happened, and split it into thematic parts, but couldn't actually pinpoint one single story that would be my goto example of why it's great.
Title: Re: Top ten Dredds and top ten non-Dredd thrills
Post by: AlexF on 22 June, 2018, 02:11:12 pm
Yeah, Dante as a whole would easily make my Top 10 Thrills (well, I say 'easily', but maybe it wouldn;t be that easy), but picking out any one story arc for this exercise just didn't work.

Funnily enough, if we were narrowing it all down to a single page, I'd pick out John Burn's stunning intro splash for
'How could you believe me when I said I loved you when you know I've been a liar all my life'
as perhaps even my number 1. Love me some giant letters! Also it cleverly encapsulates so much about the character and relationship of Nikolai and Jena Makarov.
Title: Re: Top ten Dredds and top ten non-Dredd thrills
Post by: Richard on 23 June, 2018, 03:03:13 pm
Any list of ten can't help but leave out some amazing stories. There's nothing wrong with Dante but I just had ten things I liked better.
Title: Re: Top ten Dredds and top ten non-Dredd thrills
Post by: Magnetica on 23 June, 2018, 04:08:35 pm
Any list of ten can't help but leave out some amazing stories. There's nothing wrong with Dante but I just had ten things I liked better.

Also the question was what are your top ten favourite volumes or story arcs, not what are your top ten favourite characters or series. That would produce a slightly different answer. For example I have listed three Nemesis books and a future shock.