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: Patrick Stewart back as Picard in new series
: Greg M. 05 August, 2018, 11:04:38 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/entertainment-arts-45074382  (https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/entertainment-arts-45074382)

Bloomin' heck!
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: broodblik 05 August, 2018, 01:32:55 PM
Great news. My favorite Trekkie captain
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: GrudgeJohnDeed 05 August, 2018, 01:37:55 PM
Whaaaaat! Awesome! I wonder if it's a continuation of his time on the Enterprise, or a different genre of show where he's now a civilian. Perhaps a political drama set on the Atlantis project? An odd-couple sitcom about him and his brother trying to save the vineyard maybe
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: Greg M. 05 August, 2018, 01:47:18 PM
They killed his brother (and nephew) off in Generations, but if All Good Things... is accurate, it'll probably involve Jean-Luc doddering about the vineyard, plagued by Irumodic Syndrome.
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: GrudgeJohnDeed 05 August, 2018, 02:03:01 PM
Ahh, I'm a TNG fan but I've not seen all the Trek films. I'd watch an trippy show about Picard's space alzheimers though!
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: Professor Bear 05 August, 2018, 02:04:33 PM
This is terrible news, and to be expected from - wait, sorry, I'm just used to responding to any Star Trek news with a mixture of disappointment and resignation.  This is actually... good news?  Unless Picard is bitter and retired or something as the Star Wars/Star Trek homogenization continues.
Mildly hopeful at this news.
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: Mardroid 05 August, 2018, 02:29:27 PM
While The Next Generation May be one of my least favoured Star Trek shows (although there are storylines and and individual episodes that are conversely my favourite in all series) I liked Picard as a character, and Patrick Stewart is great! I welcome this!
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: The Boogie 05 August, 2018, 03:01:56 PM
So long as it isn't about Picard being sucked off into the Mirror Universe by deformed Klingons or accompanying a dying Ryker and a little girl on a quest for a place that only exists in a holocomic, I'll probably like this.
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: dweezil2 05 August, 2018, 03:21:13 PM
So long as it isn't about Picard being sucked off into the Mirror Universe by deformed Klingons.


Sounds a bit X rated, no wonder it's on a subscription service!!!!  :o
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: GrudgeJohnDeed 05 August, 2018, 03:26:36 PM
He has to stop leaving his horga'hn on display!
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: Richard 05 August, 2018, 04:25:58 PM
Unless Picard is bitter and retired or somethin
I would quite like that actually.
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: The Legendary Shark 05 August, 2018, 06:24:08 PM

He'll probably be a bored admiral forced to steal a starship for some mission none of the brass believes in or the leader of a band of unconventional archaeologists on the trail of something none of his peers believe in. Or he could be in business with Elim Garak, running a tailor's shop named Make it Sew...

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: Professor Bear 05 August, 2018, 07:14:50 PM
Or he's Captain Picard on the Enterprise 16 years later still rollin like he do.  Considering that Discovery has had a bit of a polorising effect on fans, it would seem pointless to colour too far outside the lines on this one.
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: CalHab 05 August, 2018, 09:19:56 PM
Michael Chabon is involved as well. All the signs are good.
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: maryanddavid 05 August, 2018, 11:28:42 PM
Yaaay! Very excited about this, loved THG. There is not much TV I'd welcome back, but this is one of them.
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: Magnetica 05 August, 2018, 11:43:42 PM
TNG is just about my favourite show of all time and Picard my favourite Star Trek captain, so yeah great news I guess.

Given CBS All Access is only available in the USA, what does this means in terms of viewing it in the UK? I guess it’s too early to say.
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: GrudgeJohnDeed 06 August, 2018, 02:23:29 AM
Star Trek Discovery was on CBS All Access in the US and on Netflix over here so I think they'll do that again hopefully
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: wedgeski 06 August, 2018, 09:25:58 AM
Very excited by this! I spent all Sunday speculating with my Trekkie friends what the show might look like. One of the coolest things, for me, is that we're going to be seeing a continuation of the TNG universe... at least I sincerely hope we are, and not some daft Young Picard or alternate universe nonsense.

It's a long way off, but with one excellent new series underway, and this to look forward to, I feel like Star Trek  is back in rude health.
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: von Boom 06 August, 2018, 02:41:09 PM
I am so excited by this news. I couldn't be bothered to finish Discovery and now disbelieve it took place. Much the same with the Abrams films. Now I have something to look forward to!
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: Tiplodocus 06 August, 2018, 02:46:41 PM
Hurrah.

Co-starring Famke Janssen I hope. I like to think they finally got together.
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: Greg M. 06 August, 2018, 02:57:34 PM
One of the coolest things, for me, is that we're going to be seeing a continuation of the TNG universe...

Yes, apart from Sir Patrick himself this has to be the biggest draw, and surely what most fans have wanted to see for some time: the post-Nemesis universe. I don't think Picard will be a ship's captain in it - I quite like the notion they might pursue either the archaeological or ambassadorial routes for the character. I'd love to see Captain Riker appear though, or, just because we all know Michael Dorn wants it so badly, Captain Worf.
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: Richard 06 August, 2018, 02:58:10 PM
He's too old to still be a captain. He'd be retired by now, or perhaps an admiral or a lecturer at Starfleet Academy.
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: Richard 06 August, 2018, 02:59:18 PM
Ruler should be an admiral, like in All Good Things...
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: von Boom 06 August, 2018, 03:01:52 PM
Maybe Picard has decided to live The Good Life.  :angel:
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: TordelBack 06 August, 2018, 03:12:31 PM
Maybe Picard has decided to live The Good Life.  :angel:

"Make it sow".
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: Greg M. 06 August, 2018, 03:14:38 PM
I feel like Riker could still be a captain: his rise to first officer status was meteoric, but after that it takes him 15 in-universe years to accept a captaincy. I can imagine him spending a good twenty years as captain (not necessarily of the Titan, of course) now he finally has it. That said, after they got married, Deanna might have given him a kick up the arse to get promoted faster.
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: TordelBack 06 August, 2018, 03:26:09 PM
Biggest shake up will be the absence of Data, and I doubt Beverley will be featured too much: too restrictive to go back to a will-they wont-they and too depressing to have them married and divorced as in AGT. It'd be great to have Admiral Riker,  Captain Worf, Deanna and Geordi about the place,  though - and Wesley is an absolute must.

I like the idea of Picard as the Chair of Federation Archaeology,  happily footling about on digs across the galaxy, getting dragged back into uniform to solve some diplomatic crisis or mystery. Everyone involved must be cursing Berman & Co for their moronic decision to kill off Robert and Rene in Generations, they provided Picard with a perfect off-duty setup.
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: broodblik 06 August, 2018, 03:39:37 PM
Admiral sounds good to me..............
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: Richard 06 August, 2018, 03:48:19 PM
I want Wesley to be dead. From AIDS.
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: Jim_Campbell 06 August, 2018, 03:49:58 PM
He'd be retired by now, or perhaps an admiral or a lecturer at Starfleet Academy.

SPACE PIRATE.
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: Professor Bear 06 August, 2018, 03:54:18 PM
Data can be recast - could be time Trek put a trans actress in a lead role.
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: broodblik 06 August, 2018, 04:02:36 PM
Picard Pilot of the Future

or

Picard Space Hyper Hero
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: JamesC 06 August, 2018, 04:14:20 PM
The Erotic Adventures of Jean Luc Picard.
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: GrudgeJohnDeed 06 August, 2018, 04:19:50 PM
I wonder if Ian McKellen will make a cameo now they're best chums! I'd love to see him as a Romulan or Vulcan
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: blackmocco 06 August, 2018, 04:38:00 PM
"He may not, and I stress may not, be a captain anymore. He may not be the Jean-Luc that you recognize and know so well. It may be a very different individual. Someone who has been changed by his experiences. Twenty years will have passed, which is more or less exactly the time between the very last movie – Nemesis – and today."

"It will be, I promise you, I guarantee it, something very, very different. It will come to you with the same passion, and determination and love of the material and love of our followers and our fans, exactly as we had it before."

Seeing as they changed stuff up with Discovery, I'd expect them to do the same here. Stewart has resisted returning to Star Trek for a long time and admits he'd put it to bed mentally until this came along, so they must have some seriously interesting plans to coax him back. Hopefully not Harrison Ford/Han Solo/TFA reasons...
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: IAMTHESYSTEM 06 August, 2018, 05:04:27 PM
Some interesting speculation here.

http://www.syfy.co.uk/news/3-directions-the-new-picard-star-trek-series-could-realistically-boldly-go-0
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: von Boom 06 August, 2018, 05:16:24 PM
I want Wesley to be dead. From AIDS.
Harsh. But not harsh enough.
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: TordelBack 06 August, 2018, 06:54:55 PM
SPACE PIRATE.

I've told you before,  only if Moore comes back to write it.

Don't get the hate for Wesley,  he turned out good by the end: some of his later episodes are real highlights.

Trans Data sounds good.  "She's just a sweet trans-sister/from positronic Omicron*."


*Theta
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: Greg M. 06 August, 2018, 07:24:58 PM
Don't get the hate for Wesley,  he turned out good by the end: some of his later episodes are real highlights.

The First Duty in particular is a cracker.

In many ways, Wesley is the character it'd be most interesting to see Picard interact with. Did he really rejoin Star Fleet as Nemesis seems to suggest (and as a deleted scene confirms)? Or is he still a cosmic traveller of the planes of existence? You'd think the latter would offer more options for a story involving a post-Enterprise Picard.
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: The Legendary Shark 07 August, 2018, 06:41:52 AM
Maybe Picard has decided to live The Good Life.  :angel:

"Make it sow".

"Rake it so."

Picard's Pie Shop - "Bake it so."

Picard's Pukka Antiques - "Fake it so."


Picard's Tectonic Inductions - "Quake it so."


Picard's Speed Trap Solutions - "Make it slow."


Picard's Patented Anti-Squits Medicine - "Make shit slow."


Picard's Gardening Service - "Make it hoe."


Picard's Anti-Shark Campaign - "Make him go (away and f*ck himself for good measure)."

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: The Legendary Shark 07 August, 2018, 07:18:49 AM

Picard's Hair Dryer Repair Shop - "Make it blow."

Picard's Drainage Solutions - "Make it flow."

Picard's Fluorescent Paints - "Make it glow."


Picard's Christmas Atmospheric Engineering - "Make it snow."

Picard's Porn - "Make it grow."

Picard's Cattle Choir - "Make it low."

Picard's Diagnostic Dyes - "Make it show."

Picard's School - "Make it know."

All Picard Fans Everywhere - "Okay, seriously, stop it, Sharky, you tit."

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: Tjm86 07 August, 2018, 07:32:34 AM

Picard's Gardening Service - "Make it hoe."



Picard's Pimping Service -  "Want a hoe?"

Picard's Pothole Repair Service - "Fill the hole."

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: JamesC 07 August, 2018, 08:49:57 AM
Picard's laxatives - Make it flow

Thinking about it, you probably don't need laxatives in the Star Trek universe - you could just beam it out.
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: wedgeski 07 August, 2018, 09:31:06 AM
I want Wesley to be dead. From AIDS.
Harsh. But not harsh enough.
Let's not start with this crap, eh?
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: Jimmy Baker's Assistant 07 August, 2018, 12:42:01 PM
I really didn't like TNG, or it's spin-offs*, but I loved Discovery and I love Patrick Stewart.

This new show will work for me if it's like Discovery, but a bit further into the future.

*First Contact was good, though.
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: Tjm86 07 August, 2018, 01:43:35 PM
Picard's Sewing Services:  Make it sew.

Picard's Balloon Inflating Service  (or Cocaine Manufacturers):  Make it Blow.
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: JamesC 07 August, 2018, 04:00:10 PM
Picard's Bod Appreciation Society: Make it Farmer Barleymow
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: IAMTHESYSTEM 07 August, 2018, 04:04:17 PM
I think Patrick Stewart has mentioned that it might be a very different Picard or ST type show to the ones we've seen before. Jean Luc Picard, disgusted at what the Federation High Command has become, either resists or leaves the Federation to set off on his adventures in archaeology say. In outer space, he discovers a conspiracy involving Starfleet in some nefarious scheme to usurp the Federations founding principles and its back to Earth to kick Pen Pusher Jobs worth Ass.
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: JamesC 07 August, 2018, 04:10:17 PM
In outer space, he discovers a conspiracy involving Starfleet in some nefarious scheme to usurp the Federations founding principles and its back to Earth to kick Pen Pusher Jobs worth Ass.

You make it sound a bit like a Star Trek version of Quincey. I'd totally watch that.
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: Greg M. 07 August, 2018, 04:39:30 PM
I want a Star Trek version of Lovejoy, in which Picard wears a leather jacket and sells fake Vulcan oil paintings to gullible clients.
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: Link Prime 07 August, 2018, 04:46:38 PM
I want a Star Trek version of Lovejoy, in which Picard wears a leather jacket and sells fake Vulcan oil paintings to gullible clients.

Gambit: Part III

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: The Legendary Shark 07 August, 2018, 04:47:48 PM
He has to have a Vulcan sidekick named T'Inker, who's forever showing up trying to sell him knackered old kettles.
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: TordelBack 07 August, 2018, 05:42:53 PM
He has to have a Vulcan sidekick named T'Inker

Bah, beat me to it!

Given Stewart's remarks about the role of an optimistic, humanistic Trek for our current Age of Shit-rising-to-the-top, I think we can rule out second careers as an embittered Col Kurtz analogue deep in the Gorn jungle, human DaiMon of a Ferengi trader specialising in Orion slave girls, or host of Federation Hyper-Social Media channel "Tea, Earl Grey, Hot Takes".

Personally I'd like a series where a new cast get hold of Picard's Ressikan Flute and spend the whole first season looking for him to come back and defeat B-4 who has turned evil, only finding him in the very last scene. The second season writes itself, but suffice to say it doesn't go how you think. I think it would go down well with the true fans.



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: Professor Bear 07 August, 2018, 06:05:41 PM
I can see the "Why Does CBS/Paramount Hate Straight White Men?" Youtube videos clogging up my recs already.
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: Greg M. 23 May, 2019, 06:20:55 PM
And here he is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUGYXELKPTw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUGYXELKPTw)
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: Funt Solo 23 May, 2019, 07:00:22 PM
Working Link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA-GJNebJj0)

Better get some caffeine in you before you watch as they've accidentally discovered a cure for insomnia with that trailer.
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: Tiplodocus 23 May, 2019, 10:09:49 PM
Job done for me. I'm in.
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: TordelBack 23 May, 2019, 10:21:15 PM
Ooooh just hook me up to that sweet sweet Next Gen nectar.

This could be terrible beyond imagining, of course, but really anything is better than ending Picard's story with Nemesis. Are we thinking this follows on from a failed evacuation of Romulan space as in ST 2009?
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: Greg M. 24 May, 2019, 06:50:12 AM
This could be terrible beyond imagining, of course, but really anything is better than ending Picard's story with Nemesis. Are we thinking this follows on from a failed evacuation of Romulan space as in ST 2009?

I believe that is indeed the case. I hope he hasn't just spent 15 years doing nothing but pottering about at the vineyard though.
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: IAMTHESYSTEM 24 May, 2019, 08:57:17 AM
Well, it doesn't show us much but tells us that Picard was involved in some Rescue mission that left him personally devastated. So that fact alone is interesting, and I'll be watching this programme when it appears on Prime.
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: wedgeski 24 May, 2019, 09:12:26 AM
They're gonna have killed off one or more Enterprise alumni, aren't they?

Anyway, I'm more excited for this than I was even for Discovery, and I have it on good authority that I was embarrassingly over-excited for that.
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: CalHab 24 May, 2019, 09:14:02 AM
I enjoyed the trailer. It doesn't reveal much, but left me curious.

I'll definitely be watching this.
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: Tiplodocus 24 May, 2019, 09:38:36 AM
What failed evacuation from ST 2009?
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: The Legendary Shark 24 May, 2019, 09:40:08 AM

Romulus.

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: Professor Bear 24 May, 2019, 11:35:53 PM
The only failed evacuations Picard does in his advancing years are the ones in his pants when he tries to stand up.
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: Tiplodocus 25 May, 2019, 09:51:13 AM
The only failed evacuations Picard does in his advancing years are the ones in his pants when he tries to stand up.

That's why he tugs his tunic down with 'the Picard manoeuvre'; to cover up any overspill.
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: The Legendary Shark 11 July, 2019, 10:29:41 PM
Looks interesting...
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: The Legendary Shark 11 July, 2019, 10:36:33 PM
I mean, looks interesting... https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/66242927_2382843265136899_1878771819444436992_o.jpg?_nc_cat=1&efg=eyJpIjoiYiJ9&_nc_oc=AQnGcncYfulnifnj25fhLn3Loif5c7Gq_Y0mB1cQatjFDRhj9N62U5BhuuKs6W03ink&_nc_ht=scontent-amt2-1.xx&oh=dca2c5a48110cb11f857a4e0467ae885&oe=5DA7FFC6
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: von Boom 12 July, 2019, 12:51:24 AM
I'm hoping for a return to form for Star Trek. Maybe this is the one.
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: Dandontdare 12 July, 2019, 01:20:46 AM
If he hasn't become a private eye, with Data's brain in the body of that dog, I for one will be sorely disappointed.
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: von Boom 12 July, 2019, 02:20:59 PM
^^^^This please!
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: TordelBack 12 July, 2019, 06:42:52 PM
It is the perfect solution to the time-ravaged Brent Spiner. But a regular talking dog (or just regular dog) would be fine too, as long as it's called No. 1 (which it will be). My guess is therapy dog.
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: The Legendary Shark 12 July, 2019, 10:05:19 PM

I hope the dog's a present from Lwaxana Troi and is called Mr Woof.

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: TordelBack 18 July, 2019, 09:57:14 AM
Well feck. Just noticed No.1 has cropped ears. Hard to believe a dog-lover and welfare campaigner like Stewart would go along with a barbarism that he *must* know dopey Trekkies will emulate - and just as the tide was beginning to turn on that one.

I'll suspend judgenent pending an explanation, but if it's not a damned amazing one (that doesn't begin with "but in the 24th Century...") I'll be avoiding this entirely. <turns sharply on heel and flounces out>
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: Goaty 20 July, 2019, 09:56:42 PM
New trailer!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDitCBdSgUM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDitCBdSgUM)

Guess who back, and back, and back, and Goaty's back!
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: Greg M. 20 July, 2019, 10:19:45 PM
Him, I expected, her, not so much, Goaty even less so! (But welcome back.)

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: TordelBack 21 July, 2019, 11:02:16 AM
Welcome back, Goaty!

So Seven was a hell of a surprise, panel revelations that Riker & Deanna are back less so, but the weirdest one of all is that Hugh makes an appearance.  Did anyone like Hugh?  S

From this it looks like this bay well be a tale of two diasporas, the Borg and the Romulans. You can see how Stewart might have found that an interesting story.

Also a full-on TNG nostalgia fest, as it should be.

Just sort that poor dog out.
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: Greg M. 21 July, 2019, 11:12:30 AM
  Did anyone like Hugh?

In his initial appearance, sure, but his return was totally squandered: he's back and he's a bit cross! Wait, he got over it. It'd be good to give the character a more memorable send-off after all these years.

But where's Worf? Probably not appearing since he'd want more than a cameo.
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: TordelBack 21 July, 2019, 11:36:33 AM
That's my feeling too. Hopefully this does well enough that Star Trek: Worf is next, drawing on the DS9 crew. Be good to see Geordi given something meaty to do too. Beverley I can probably live without, she complicates things, unless she's required for a Wesley storyline.

And if Hugh can come back (there weren't many Trek two-parters more disappointing than 'Descent'), fingers are firmly crossed that Wesley can too.
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: broodblik 21 July, 2019, 12:05:22 PM
I watched the latest trailer and this looks really good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oljxEb3H0Ic (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oljxEb3H0Ic)
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: Tjm86 21 July, 2019, 02:19:03 PM
The other pleasant feature is the Amazon Prime tagline rather than the CBS Closed Access one.  Fighting chance of actually seeing it at some point.
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: Tiplodocus 22 July, 2019, 06:50:31 PM
Blimey! I'm not sharp enough on my TNG to pick Hugh out of that trailer though I may have only seen those episodes once twenty+ years ago.

But feck it, if he can be brought back, can we hope for the Brig O' Doon ghost that boffed Beverley to make a return?
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: TordelBack 22 July, 2019, 11:01:09 PM
AFAIK 'ol Three of Five isn't actually in the trailer, but his actor Jonathan DelArco (?) spilled the beans. 

So how are they doing Data?  Understandably Brent Spiner hasn't looked like that for a while now, is it an incredibly good fully CGI model, de-ageing or a hell of a makeup job?  Or are they going the way I always wished they would, and have Data discover a Soong-created ageing subroutine and decide to embrace human mortality, for a while at least?
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: Dandontdare 23 July, 2019, 08:37:42 AM
But a regular talking dog (or just regular dog) would be fine too, as long as it's called No. 1 (which it will be).

Good call!
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: Greg M. 23 July, 2019, 11:01:48 AM
So how are they doing Data?  Understandably Brent Spiner hasn't looked like that for a while now, is it an incredibly good fully CGI model, de-ageing or a hell of a makeup job?  Or are they going the way I always wished they would, and have Data discover a Soong-created ageing subroutine and decide to embrace human mortality, for a while at least?

I wondered if it was CGI de-ageing. I wonder if he'll even be a physical android at all (I know we saw the body parts - B4's?) or just some kind of holodeck projection based on his neural net. Mind you, since the ageing subroutine was already introduced in 'Inheritance' (as part of Data's 'mum' ) I'm sure Data could have just taken a copy of it then or used it as inspiration - it'd be a lot simpler.
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: TordelBack 23 July, 2019, 12:14:39 PM
Goddamn 'Inheritance'.  I somehow missed that one at the time, and never knew I had.  Some years later my then-future-wife referenced Data's Mum in conversation and I launched into one of my patented mansplain symposia noting the existence of Data's father, four brothers, daughter, quasi-adopted son, surrogate grandfather and cat, but definitely not a mother. The argument continued until we got home and the Trek Encyclopedia was taken down from the shelf (this was in the Before Times, Hawkmumbler), and I was made to read aloud an entry entitled "Soong, Juliana".

A quarter-century later any claim of authority I make in an argument is still met with "Well, we'll just see what Data's mother thinks about that".

More to the point, although I have seen 'Inheritance' several times since that fateful day, I just can't remember it the way I do the other 177.

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: Tiplodocus 23 July, 2019, 03:29:14 PM
That is actually a lovely story.
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: Tiplodocus 23 July, 2019, 04:35:47 PM
Oh and I can't remember it either but if Data's mother isn't Brent Spiner in drag, I'll be sorely disappointed.
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: Greg M. 23 July, 2019, 04:37:26 PM
She's not Radar's mother!
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: Tiplodocus 23 July, 2019, 05:47:05 PM
Isn't that Klinger? But I knew what you meant.
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: Tjm86 23 July, 2019, 05:50:37 PM
Radar's mother was always played by Gary Burghoff.
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: Dandontdare 23 July, 2019, 06:30:57 PM
can anyone link to just the trailer? I am NOT watching anymore reaction/review vids  >:(

(Picard, not Radar's mum!)
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: Tiplodocus 23 July, 2019, 06:34:55 PM
Ah, I'd forgotten that.

Nothing beats DOBERMAN'S SISTER  and Musselman's law.
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: wedgeski 24 July, 2019, 11:57:18 AM
Goddamn 'Inheritance'.  I somehow missed that one at the time, and never knew I had.  Some years later my then-future-wife referenced Data's Mum in conversation and I launched into one of my patented mansplain symposia noting the existence of Data's father, four brothers, daughter, quasi-adopted son, surrogate grandfather and cat, but definitely not a mother. The argument continued until we got home and the Trek Encyclopedia was taken down from the shelf (this was in the Before Times, Hawkmumbler), and I was made to read aloud an entry entitled "Soong, Juliana".

A quarter-century later any claim of authority I make in an argument is still met with "Well, we'll just see what Data's mother thinks about that".

More to the point, although I have seen 'Inheritance' several times since that fateful day, I just can't remember it the way I do the other 177.
lol! Great story.
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: wedgeski 24 July, 2019, 11:58:26 AM
can anyone link to just the trailer? I am NOT watching anymore reaction/review vids  >:(

(Picard, not Radar's mum!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhBBXHwEsIo
: Re: Patrick Stewart back as Picard in new series
: wedgeski 24 July, 2019, 12:00:37 PM
Data/B-4 looks as plump of face as the actual-real Brent Spiner, so it seems like a bit of CGI around the eyes and mouth to lose those wisdom lines.
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: blackmocco 24 July, 2019, 02:13:13 PM
The other pleasant feature is the Amazon Prime tagline rather than the CBS Closed Access one.  Fighting chance of actually seeing it at some point.

Nope, it'll be CBS All Access again, unfortunately. Amazon Prime just offers you the chance to purchase your CBSAA subscription through them instead.
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: Tjm86 24 July, 2019, 02:34:26 PM
Bugger.

First a Johnson Government, now this.  What next?
: Re: Patrick Stewart back as Picard in new series
: wedgeski 24 July, 2019, 04:05:23 PM
The shape of things to come has now become reality, it seems. I'm now a subscriber to Sky (to get HBO mainly), Netflix (for all of its excellent original content and easy access to scads of box-sets), and Prime Video (accidentally, because I'm a Amazon Prime subscriber, but it does mean I get access to Good Omens, Expanse, and soon Picard). I will probably want Disney+ when it arrives as well, god help me.

Sky will probably be dumped at the end of my current lock-in. Netflix *may* become less attractive in future, since it has now lost to Disney the vast majority of new shows that we watched, but it does excellent work in original films, so I don't know.

It's easy to look at this and say, well, I never used to have to pay this kind of money for TV, but it's important to bear in mind that there is a *wealth* of genre television now that never existed before. There's a menu of shows available now that in 1993, 20-year-old-me would not have believed possible.
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: CalHab 25 July, 2019, 08:30:20 AM
It's easy to look at this and say, well, I never used to have to pay this kind of money for TV, but it's important to bear in mind that there is a *wealth* of genre television now that never existed before. There's a menu of shows available now that in 1993, 20-year-old-me would not have believed possible.

Which means I now spend half the time cycling through menus, wondering if I'll find a better programme/film on the next page.
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: IAMTHESYSTEM 06 October, 2019, 11:14:26 AM
2nd extended Trailer. Looks like 'Borg and Machine Rights' are the themes of this first season.

https://youtu.be/QvKBeOKvblI
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: TordelBack 06 October, 2019, 12:25:39 PM
It's scary that I'd almost subscribe to [whatever service this is on around here] just to see a bit more of the Picard/Riker/Troi interaction. I was particularly amused to see the clear parallels with Picard's encounter with Kirk.

How deep do we think they are going to dig into TNG - is it just very alluring window dressing?  By which I mean, do we think that the old dude who Picard is chatting with about returning to the cold of space could be his childhood friend Louis? Along the same lines, good to see that Hugh has been de-borgified.
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: The Legendary Shark 06 October, 2019, 12:35:30 PM

Time to switch off notifications for this thread, methinks...

I'll send it Into Darkness so I can experience The Undiscovered Country, as it were.

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: Radbacker 07 October, 2019, 09:46:50 AM
I’m guessing as this is Amazon Prime it isn’t going to be on Netflix like Discovery was :'( I’ve been trying to avoid getting another service but with this and a new season of The Expanse dropping on Amazon I may have splash out on 2 services.

CU Radbacker
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: von Boom 08 October, 2019, 03:43:27 PM
Débuts 23 Jan. 2020.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/star-trek-picard-unveils-new-trailer-release-date-1245681 (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/star-trek-picard-unveils-new-trailer-release-date-1245681)
: Re: Patrick Stewart back as Picard in new series
: Greg M. 24 January, 2020, 07:16:09 PM
It's here!

And... it's good. Maybe even very good. Some real continuity deep-dives (at least part of the plot seems to revolve around Bruce Maddox, of all people - I do hope we're actually going to see Brian Brophy reprise his role as Data's oily pen-pal) and a much more pivotal role for everyone's favourite android than might have been apparent. Some may have a problem with the much more insular direction Star Fleet seems to have gone in, but we all know Picard's going to sort that out and restore Rodenberry's dream.

And what do you know - Worf does appear, albeit only as a still image. So far...
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: IAMTHESYSTEM 24 January, 2020, 08:18:47 PM
I enjoyed it, looked very similar to Discovery SFX wise though Picard does rely on dream sequences and 'news' flashbacks which some might see as sluggish. The usual Moop troops get there ass kicked trope is here, but the fights themselves were well staged. The final reveal was a shocker, and I'll be watching next Friday's for more Picard excitement!
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: TordelBack 24 January, 2020, 09:10:03 PM
Unbelievably good first episode. Much like Dark Crystal, I'm genuinely struggling to believe it exists. That they would go *that* deep into continuity, on multiple strands, and still keep things believable, fresh and moving, I never imagined. Opening with effectively a direct call back to the last scene of Next Generation... gulp.

Keep it up chaps, this is yours to lose now.
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: IndigoPrime 24 January, 2020, 10:00:41 PM
Just watched with Mrs IP. She’s a bit of a Trekkie. I’m not but I’ll watch it. We... weren’t so impressed. Mrs IP wondered where the rest of the first episode was. I just found it slow and meandering, and weirdly paced. I’ll carry on for a couple of more episodes though.
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: Dandontdare 24 January, 2020, 10:36:02 PM
whilst there is still potential for them to drop the ball plotwise, from that first episode, this trekkie says
FUCK YEAH!
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: Jim_Campbell 24 January, 2020, 11:03:39 PM
Well, I really liked it.
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: Tiplodocus 25 January, 2020, 12:14:11 AM
Yeah, I enjoyed that. And so did Mrs Tips. Lots to unpack for Trek fans, lots of nice themes and a nice mystery for non-Trek fans.

Having to ignore the Picard stunt doubles is my biggest problem which says something.
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: Tiplodocus 25 January, 2020, 12:14:59 AM
What's wrong with us? Surely we should be hating on it?
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: DrRocka 25 January, 2020, 01:03:29 AM
Add my voice to the appreciation. Got a bit lost in all the exposition (can’t remember half the stuff from a tv series I enjoyed thirty years ago), but I felt it was a very worthy example of What Happened Next. Was a bit perturbed in the “coming soon” montage at the end by what looked like Riker dead on a slab on front of Picard.
All great though - much preferred this to Discovery. This felt like Star Trek at last.
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: broodblik 25 January, 2020, 04:04:21 AM
I liked it and was a great new edition to the Trekverse
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: Greg M. 25 January, 2020, 06:59:14 AM
What's wrong with us? Surely we should be hating on it?

That's why I sound so cautious in my earlier post - I'm not used to genuinely liking things!
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: TordelBack 25 January, 2020, 08:52:02 AM
It's truly amazing to me that they would embrace things from unloved Insurrection, Nemesis and alt-Trek ST2009, AND details and characters from such a spread of episodes Measure of a Man, The Offspring, All Good Things. And then to have Picard actually be a physically old man, and not something like the indestructible Indy from.Crystal Skull.

My high hopes now exist to be crushed.
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: shaolin_monkey 25 January, 2020, 09:03:08 AM

Having to ignore the Picard stunt doubles is my biggest problem which says something.

Haha, yeah, I had to do that too! The chase scene was full of them!

I found it a bit slow to be honest, but enjoyable enough. I’m definitely in for the series.

My partner surprised me, a non-Trekkie and indeed non-sci-fi person. She spotted references to ST:TNG that went completely over my head, such as a banner from an episode when they all turned into children. It turns out she had watched the entire series back in the day ‘just because it was on when I came home from work’. Plus she finds bald men hot.
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: Professor Bear 25 January, 2020, 03:56:08 PM
The trailer that ran at the end looked like one of those fan-made trailers cobbling together scenes and soundtracks from other places, so painfully generic that it works as parody - though I did like that a lot of elements in the show and trailer are things that appeared in fan productions over the years - particularly the abortive Star Trek: Renegades and the Trek pastiche Space Command - and were rubbished for being too fan-wanky.

But hey, Federation society has re-invented the concept of news media in the years since Nemesis?  Good for them!
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: The Legendary Shark 26 January, 2020, 12:30:33 PM

I enjoyed this a lot, it finally washed away the shitty taste of Discovery and restored my faith in the Trek. Things like the Captain Picard Day banner prompted genuinely warm smiles from this jaded old coot. Wonderful!

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: Tjm86 26 January, 2020, 01:03:34 PM
.... Plus she finds bald men hot.

I would strongly recommend against bringing her to any tooth / forum related events ...
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: shaolin_monkey 26 January, 2020, 02:33:14 PM
.... Plus she finds bald men hot.

I would strongly recommend against bringing her to any tooth / forum related events ...

Too late! Much too late...
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: Professor Bear 27 January, 2020, 09:08:43 PM
Rich and Mike at Red Letter Media review the first episode of Star Trek: Memberberries Picard (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfQdf93e63I)and while they didn't hate it, they do make fun of how stupid it is and eventually swap abominable ideas about how it's going to end and come up with a doozy so bad that I'm convinced it's definitely going to happen.
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: NapalmKev 31 January, 2020, 04:04:06 PM
I thought the first episode was pretty good. Episode 2 is even better!

Cheers
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: Greg M. 31 January, 2020, 09:25:46 PM
Second episode succumbs to the curse of modern tv - way too slow. Not a patch on episode one - very little accomplished that a good episode of Next Gen couldn't have done in fifteen minutes. Nice to get confirmation that Geordi is still alive though, after CBR had been predicting his demise. Stewart, of course, as watchable as ever.
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: Tiplodocus 01 February, 2020, 01:16:45 PM
I enjoyed it but yeah, it was a bit slow and full of basil.
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: IndigoPrime 01 February, 2020, 01:20:35 PM
Yikes. I thought the first episode was sluggish, exposition-heavy, and largely devoid of plot (Mrs IP added: “Where’s the rest of it?”), so I’m… not overly looking forward to this.
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: Gary James 01 February, 2020, 02:56:10 PM
I enjoyed it but yeah, it was a bit slow and full of basil.

Basil? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aqLwHP4y6Q)

...sluggish, exposition-heavy, and largely devoid of plot...

So it resembles most of Voyager, and the entire first season of Enterprise... isn't maintaining continuity and style a boon for the franchise?

While I haven't seen it yet, the prospect of the series following in Discovery's wake to any degree is a slight worry. I honestly would rather have had Tarantino's film pitch move forward instead of this.

And when Riker and Troi appear - as they undoubtedly will - I may vomit a little at the memory of the final episode of Enterprise.
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: TordelBack 03 February, 2020, 12:17:35 AM
No argument that it's a bit slow, but that just gives the family more time to recognise and argue about continuity references and future directions. So far it's playing a blinder.

Main negatives are that Number 1 isn't in it enough, and if they say 'Bruce Maddox' one more time I may scream...
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: Steve Green 03 February, 2020, 09:48:00 AM
Part of me wanted those parasites from Conspiracy to have their day in the sun...
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: CalHab 03 February, 2020, 10:40:52 AM
Part of me wanted those parasites from Conspiracy to have their day in the sun...

For a moment, I thought that might be where they were going.
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: Steve Green 03 February, 2020, 10:58:30 AM
Yeah, I did wonder, but it might be considered as letting Starfleet off the hook, and a one-off from season 1 might be a bit niche to string a series around.
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: Tiplodocus 03 February, 2020, 12:20:13 PM
I enjoyed it but yeah, it was a bit slow and full of basil.

Basil? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aqLwHP4y6Q)


No this kind of Basil
http://witterpedia.net/wiki/index.php/Basil_Exposition (http://witterpedia.net/wiki/index.php/Basil_Exposition)
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: TordelBack 03 February, 2020, 12:29:27 PM
Yeah, I did wonder, but it might be considered as letting Starfleet off the hook, and a one-off from season 1 might be a bit niche to string a series around.

A truly awful episode, no less! Although I'll dispute that it's one-off, since Remmick's investigation dates back a few weeks to 'Coming of Age', even if the link is ex post facto.

But on the whole no more nichey than basing the whole show's premise around an atrocious movie that no-one saw, and another movie that rebooted the whole franchise out of existence.
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: wedgeski 03 February, 2020, 02:53:24 PM
Let's be honest, I'm about as point-blank in the targets of this show as it is possible to be, but even accounting for my resulting lack of credibility, I have to say that although I loved the first one despite its problems, I found very little to criticise about episode 2.

Now we're squarely in "man with a mission" and "how dare they treat Jean-Luc fucking Picard like that!" territory, it's just grooving along so sweetly, and we've barely touched upon the guest stars and other notalgia bombs that the show has in the chamber and ready to fire. The "Search for Spock" callback when Picard went to see the CNC hit me right in the tribbles, let me tell you.

I must also say I'm amused by the definition of "slow" these days.
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: TordelBack 03 February, 2020, 03:21:15 PM
Yes, I absolutely loved Picard's near-vetbatim plea to the Admiral. It was well-handled nostalgia mining. While I've never bought the idea that Picard and Data were somehow bessie mates during TNG, there's no doubt that First Contact, Insurrection and Nemesis pushed that Kirk/Spock line hard, and it's only right that it continued here.

For me the highlight was Dr Maurice, bringing both news of a canonical MO for the Stargazer and the seeming inevitability of Irumodic Syndrome. Powerful stuff.
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: wedgeski 03 February, 2020, 04:31:06 PM
Yes, I absolutely loved Picard's near-vetbatim plea to the Admiral. It was well-handled nostalgia mining. While I've never bought the idea that Picard and Data were somehow bessie mates during TNG, there's no doubt that First Contact, Insurrection and Nemesis pushed that Kirk/Spock line hard, and it's only right that it continued here.

For me the highlight was Dr Maurice, bringing both news of a canonical MO for the Stargazer and the seeming inevitability of Irumodic Syndrome. Powerful stuff.
I think Picard would call any of the bridge crew "dear friends" but when someone sacrifices their life for you, that pushes things up a notch I would wager.
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: Greg M. 03 February, 2020, 04:55:56 PM
I must also say I'm amused by the definition of "slow" these days.

I bet you love Brink.
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: von Boom 03 February, 2020, 04:57:43 PM
What happened to Number One?
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: Gary James 03 February, 2020, 06:15:33 PM
No this kind of Basil
http://witterpedia.net/wiki/index.php/Basil_Exposition (http://witterpedia.net/wiki/index.php/Basil_Exposition)
Holy hell - Austin Powers is over twenty years old now...  :o
I'm more used to seeing "infodump" used.

I realized that Prime can be paid for with gift cards, so I'm technically not going to be giving Amazon any of my money <em>and</em> I get all the other benefits, so I may as well add this to the list of things I should be watching.

There's something like five years of Doctor Who to catch up on as well. Guess who's not getting any sleep for the next few weeks...
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: Dandontdare 03 February, 2020, 07:53:08 PM
There's something like five years of Doctor Who to catch up on as well. Guess who's not getting any sleep for the next few weeks...

If your Netflix has the same as the UK version, it's all 15 years (since the relaunch)!

I got excited about all the US shows I'd be able to watch on netflix and amazon when I got a VPN - unfortunately they're both wise to that and neither will actually play if you're using one - so I could look but not touch  :(
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: Gary James 03 February, 2020, 08:08:52 PM
If your Netflix has the same as the UK version, it's all 15 years (since the relaunch)!
.
My Netflix is the UK version - tho I let it lapse. The entire (modern) series is on iPlayer, but watching on that is a horrible, horrible experience I can't bring myself to endure. They seem to be on Amazon as well, so hopefully the quality is the same as-broadcast.
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: wedgeski 04 February, 2020, 09:38:27 AM
I must also say I'm amused by the definition of "slow" these days.

I bet you love Brink.
You'd win that bet my friend!

I'll admit that this kind of storytelling does seem a better fit for bingeable TV rather than episodic. But when I think back to the excruciating wait between meta-plot episodes in X-Files, B5, or DS9, Picard's exposition still seems lightning fast. DS9 would have taken an entire season to link the assassins with the Romulans.
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: Dark Jimbo 04 February, 2020, 09:45:03 AM
I must also say I'm amused by the definition of "slow" these days.

Yeah, I think it's moving a touch too fast, if anything. I get the impression that most people's complaint about the pace amounts to 'Why isn't he in space yet?'
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: IndigoPrime 04 February, 2020, 10:42:51 AM
FWIW, mine – purely from episode one – was that the show spent quite a long time just meandering about, churning out globs of exposition, and then just didn’t do much to move things along. It just felt kind of empty. I mean, it wasn’t like an episode of Lucifer in that regard; but I was just thinking “and?” far too much of the time.
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: Tiplodocus 07 February, 2020, 10:08:50 PM
Engage.

Yay!

Settled into the rhythm of this show now and loving it.
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: Professor Bear 07 February, 2020, 10:51:45 PM
This show has invented a new kind of storytelling: Technobasil.  People just sitting around doing infodumps about made-up cultures or technology.  They shake the camera so you don't get bored, though, which is kind of like storytelling I guess.
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: Magnetica 07 February, 2020, 11:25:48 PM
Engage.

I knew he’d say that.
: Re: Patrick Stewart back as Picard in new series
: Tiplodocus 07 February, 2020, 11:27:52 PM
This show has invented a new kind of storytelling: Technobasil.  People just sitting around doing infodumps about made-up cultures or technology.  They shake the camera so you don't get bored, though, which is kind of like storytelling I guess.

It makes me feel clever even though I don't understand it. Or why.
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: JOE SOAP 08 February, 2020, 12:18:56 AM
The show is over-written to bejaysus. I know Picard is old but the scenes feel like they were written as if he's never turned on a computer; and it doesn't help the audience much, which I assume, it's trying to do in a very artificial way.
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: Gary James 08 February, 2020, 02:29:38 PM
So I watched the first episode.

Damn. I had expected it to be bad, but even so...

Honestly, I kinda hoped that it would exceed my low expectations for the show. There is so much that warrants criticism that any dissection would likely be longer than the episode's script, and as I'm already getting behind schedule it is probably unwise to invest too much time in kicking this around, so:

1. Killing off a black guy first? Really? Was this script originally written in 1987?
2. Twins. FFS, does nobody read Ronald Knox's rules any more? Not even a justification offered that they used some of the Binars tech to create the androids.
3. Shit always goes down on Mars. We're already deep in clichés, so... not entirely unexpected.
4. The clue in the painting. I was in error when I noted that this could have been written in 1987. Sorry. It would have been more accurate to state that the plot harkens back to Victorian literature. And not the good stuff either...
5. The Matrix Leap. I might scream - I really could, in proper Violet Elizabeth Bott style. That move was overdone ten years ago, and seeing it used in a non-ironic fashion completely breaks any immersion I might have had.

The fact that Picard isn't a raving loon is a disappointment, as I was looking forward to at least that much given the events of All Good Things, but that he hasn't parked his ass squarely in a spaceship by the end of the episode is simply poor writing.

It feels more like a MAD parody than the real thing, which isn't helped by some of the Romulan ears having a distinctly Alfred E. Neuman quality.

There's nothing in this I haven't seen or read before, and for a franchise which has always attempted (even if unsuccessfully) to show New Things, this simply fails on each and every count. There's no attempt to take us places we haven't been, or to give spectacle in lieu of originality.  :(
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: Professor Bear 08 February, 2020, 03:19:17 PM
Don't forget "synths" coming kinda out of nowhere even though my vague recollections of Voyager suggest that it established that holograms were the slave workforce of the Federation and were even disseminating potential rebellion-fomenting material among themselves.  Everyone prefers BSG to Voyager, I guess.

I'm surprised that no-one has any problems with the teen-drama level of the writing, with Picard saying unnecessary qualifiers like "totally" before some words, or the really forced way the new character whose name escapes me calls him JL, which just makes me think of those old interviews with Alan Grant and John Wagner where they talked about how they said the dialogue out loud before locking it in so they knew if it worked or not, as there's a bit where she talks about Picard going on a "rescue the mysterious robot girl mission" that could probably have done with a quick run around a human's lips before it got handed off to some poor actor.  Her exchanges with Picard in general seemed pretty stilted.

Anyway fuck all y'all this is a Star Trek thread so I'm going to nitpick - doesn't the Federation have better prefabs than what looks suspiciously like what must surely be a 400 year-old trailer?  And she lives in a national park?  If that's allowed, why aren't other people living there?  And there were only a few thousand people on Mars?  I mean, it's the closest planet to Earth*, which I am given to understand does not practice population control or any kind of economically-enforced housing scarcity to the extent that its only moon has 50 million people living on it despite its unsuitability for long-term human habitation, I hope someone lost their job for that one etc.


* sometimes, depending on orbits.
: Re: Patrick Stewart back as Picard in new series
: Gary James 08 February, 2020, 04:22:26 PM
Don't forget "synths" coming kinda out of nowhere even though my vague recollections of Voyager suggest that it established that holograms were the slave workforce of the Federation and were even disseminating potential rebellion-fomenting material among themselves.
Wasn't there one on the bridge of the Enterprise in a film? There have been various characters who looked android in nature, but Trek loves rewriting its own history so there's that to consider.

Everyone prefers BSG to Voyager, I guess.
Ehhh. I had problems with both. BSG not only jumped the shark, it invited the shark over for dinner and one thing led to another...
Voyager, on the other hand, never told its core story. It got close, then chickened out the one time it paid off on its promise. Best episode of the series followed immediately by the worst - far too precious about keeping everything in stasis, to the detriment of the series overall.

The dialogue was terrible all round - this isn't a new thing for a Trek series. There's a quote of Patrick Stewart's from back when TNG was on saying that the dialogue was almost Shakespearean, which - if he meant post-Nahum Tate - then... sure, I'll accept that. A few of the performers are really, really obvious in not giving two shits, but there are some (including Orla Brady) who magnificently rise above the material they are given.

Anyway fuck all y'all this is a Star Trek thread so I'm going to nitpick
:lol:
Hasn't Phil Farrand trademarked that word yet?

And she lives in a national park?  If that's allowed, why aren't other people living there?
Star Trek is a dystopian future dressed in beautiful clothes and festooned with pretty lights. :D
: Re: Patrick Stewart back as Picard in new series
: Greg M. 08 February, 2020, 04:44:52 PM
Another perilously slow episode, enlivened by a brief fight and... no, that was it. Even weaker than the previous episode, though, as I said at the time, I thought episode 1 was great. As such, I don't agree with some of the previous criticism, but yes, we definitely should have been here - space, that is - by the end of episode 1, halfway through 2 at the latest. I get that it's a series about a very old man, but it shouldn't make you feel like you're stuck behind one in a post office queue. Still perfectly salvageable if they can crank it up a notch, but it's hard to escape the idea that the series believes itself to be much more profound and powerful than it currently seems to be. Time for a bit of fan-appeasement - c'mon, Riker, c'mon, Seven, c'mon Hugh, even - turn up and save this thing.
: Re: Patrick Stewart back as Picard in new series
: Greg M. 08 February, 2020, 05:04:01 PM
Wait, that was Hugh, wasn't it? Never mind!
: Re: Patrick Stewart back as Picard in new series
: TordelBack 08 February, 2020, 05:16:01 PM
Sheesh, tough room! 

To address one criticism, I think the ship left Spacedock long long ago on the internal logic of Federation economics and population. There has always been simultaneously a shortage of suitable planets such that interspecies border wars and ethnic cleansing are still a thing, and such a surplus that whole populations can be transplanted at the whim of individual starship captains. Similarly a post-scarcity Earth of unchanging family-owned vineyards, log cabins, hiking Yosemite and gumbo restaurants, but somehow also long lifespans, alien immigration, multiple siblings and a central motivation of personal fulfillment. S'Utopia, dig?

Next ya'll be telling me transporters don't make any sense.
: Re: Patrick Stewart back as Picard in new series
: Professor Bear 08 February, 2020, 05:36:07 PM
AND ANOTHER THING how come Picard looks much worse than Admiral McCoy did in Encounter At Farpoint despite being 100 years younger?
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: IndigoPrime 08 February, 2020, 06:08:16 PM
I get that it's a series about a very old man, but it shouldn't make you feel like you're stuck behind one in a post office queue.

Perfect.
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: Gary James 08 February, 2020, 06:17:06 PM
To address one criticism, I think the ship left Spacedock long long ago on the internal logic of Federation economics and population.
That only depends on how you view the comments made in TNG, DS9, and Voyager - Enterprise, being more of a "five minutes in the future" setting than the other shows doesn't count - as some (not all) the comments regarding money being a thing of the past could be taken as... something else. I don't particularly want the characters to be assholes, but it is better than having them flat-out lie to alien cultures they encounter.

I don't remember the exact quote, but one of the crew said something along the lines of "We don't use money any more," which could be a blunt dismissal of everyone on Earth who isn't part of the Federation / Starfleet set-up. Almost the same way that anyone in the Starship Troopers universe not serving in the military (or having previously served) wasn't really a citizen.

Y'know that thing about "You're either a member, or you're a nobody" in gangster films? I always got the feeling that (some) Starfleet members had the same attitude. You can see a teeny, tiny little bit of what I'm getting at in DS9, with Sisko's father. Why do you think the Ferengi were treated as joke characters?
Next ya'll be telling me transporters don't make any sense.
Of course not - Starfleet has the Heisenberg compensators, which is why the transporter beams are such a nice color of blue.
AND ANOTHER THING how come Picard looks much worse than Admiral McCoy did in Encounter At Farpoint despite being 100 years younger?
McCoy was a doctor - he likely had access to the things in the cabinets marked "official use only." :D
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: von Boom 08 February, 2020, 06:27:46 PM
Am alone in finding both Captain Rios and Raffi to be generic cutouts of characters? Both are disgruntled 'outsiders' just looking for a way back in. The fact that one smokes and the other vapes are about the only things that distinguish the two. Both of them are trying so hard to prove that they're edgy and don't care only serve to highlight that both are in fact uptight conformists with smugged faces.

Given the way the dialogue seems to be falling in quality if they have Picard drop an f-bomb for any reason, I'll wash my hands of this series and Star Trek in general.
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: TordelBack 08 February, 2020, 06:37:51 PM
AND ANOTHER THING how come Picard looks much worse than Admiral McCoy did in Encounter At Farpoint despite being 100 years younger?

Flares make everyone look younger.

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: Professor Bear 08 February, 2020, 06:55:28 PM
Kirk docks "space pay" in TOS, so taking this at face value, the Federation likely practices some form of UBI, but if food, medicine, housing, water, transportation, etc is provided by the state, then to the average Federation Joe, they effectively don't have money.

Let's assume that in the Federation, staples and services have a fixed value set by the government in much the same way some communist countries like Vietnam do, and if this set of regulations covers anything being traded, then along with everyone getting the same amount of money, this effectively prevents inflation - but then couple this with the instant gratification of Federation society and most of the citizens likely performing services just to occupy their time or - God forbid - because they enjoy doing it (IE: Risa is a planet where people just fuck all day), it effectively makes any kind of futures exchange or stock market impossible, even though things still have a monetary value.
TLDR version: the Federation has money, but no-one has to use it so they forget it's there.
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: blackmocco 08 February, 2020, 07:54:22 PM
Roddenberry’s idea of a perfect humanity is fine and dandy but I’ve never gotten the impression in all the time I’ve watched Star Trek that just because the starship crew we’re following are paragons of human virtue it means everyone else in this universe is too. Star Trek has shown us plenty of human blue collar workers and top of the food chain Starfleet staff who were knee deep in their vices. From Mudd’s Women all the way up to Insurrection and I’ve never had a problem with that. Picard, Kirk and Janeway are captains aboard deep space exploration starships. As such, it makes sense to me they would be fashioned as idealists and more enlightened people if they’re representing humanity in first contact situations. Their crews would also have been formed with that in mind. It’s not a huge leap to expect that there are still unhappy and unfulfilled people living on Earth, even in a society that has supposedly dumped money for enlightenment. “There are other things men can do,” says Daystrom in The Ultimate Computer but has anyone ever considered there are people in the 23rd century who have no interest in becoming a poet or an artist or a scientist? Some people don’t want to, or are simply not designed to do “other things”.

Greed and the lust for power is such a base human failing that eradicating it will always be something to reach for rather than a reality, even in a fictional 23rd/24th century. It’s a pipe dream, and I suspect Roddenberry knew that even while creating Star Trek. He embodied it in the characters he created but knew he wouldn’t have much of an opportunity for drama if these perfect humans didn’t come up against their less enlightened counterparts, and not all of those counterparts are alien races.
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: TordelBack 08 February, 2020, 08:09:46 PM
I've always thought the Prof's scheme is how it must work.
But.
The Earth is still finite, Atlantis project notwithstanding, and much of humanity still lives there. Yet the inherited Picard domaine remains, Kirk has a cabin in the woods and keeps horses. Does everyone have these opportunities? Where are they all?

This is not to knock Star Trek: that's just how it is. WhIch is why i think there's little point citing it in regard to Picard.
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: Gary James 08 February, 2020, 08:33:08 PM
It’s a pipe dream, and I suspect Roddenberry knew that even while creating Star Trek.
FWIW he believed it to be possible. Really, in his heart, believed that mankind could outgrow the baser aspects... There was a book out not long after his death (written by a former nun, if I remember it correctly) which goes deeper into his outlooks, and shows that his optimism wasn't merely a put-on.

Yes, the writing was sometimes atrocious (Spock's Brain), but the intent? That was pure.

The franchise has never (IMO) really gotten to the heart of why such a development would happen, as the societal implications are massive - a change as large as that seen in Iain Banks' books, if not bigger. By not addressing that one aspect of the series, many of the installments tend to have problems being placed against a culture which would (and could) send people out to do the jobs the crews do.

Another absent aspect is how the world(s) deal with 85s (https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Francis_Aaron). Then again, there was a eugenics war, so...  :o

This is not to knock Star Trek: that's just how it is.
There's a qualitative difference between examining what is presented (and discussing where something falls apart) and merely spurning a work as beneath contempt. The audience which Star Trek acquired has always - right from the first mimeographed fanzines in the 60s - had an element of people showing up problems in the scripts. This is not a bad thing. If the writers pay attention to criticism then the next series ought to be better.

The optimism must be rubbing off on me...
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: Professor Bear 08 February, 2020, 10:46:18 PM
The Earth is still finite, Atlantis project notwithstanding, and much of humanity still lives there.

If I had to guess: World War 3 reduced the population, and then there was no stigma about using rubber johnnies.  Which we can take as a given since Kirk never caught Space AIDS.
: Re: Patrick Stewart back as Picard in new series
: TordelBack 11 February, 2020, 12:19:58 AM
Harry Kim did though.

Still chugging through DS9 Season 2: even when it's not great it's still really, really good. Almost every character is interesting in their own right and in how they interact with each other, and generally feel like they have lives and histories outside the demands of this week's crisis. Not something you can say about all Trek.

Odd running order in places: at one point O'Brien ends up missing or presumed dead in 3 consecutive episodes.
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: Tiplodocus 11 February, 2020, 07:15:07 AM
If I recall, the first season of Voyages was similarly "Where's Harry Kim?"
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: TordelBack 11 February, 2020, 09:56:26 AM
Reflecting on Picard so far, which I've almost universally enjoyed, I was surprised to find myself thinking "finally!" at the end of Episode 3.

 I can't help feeling that it's the structure that is a bit off, rather than the pacing. If the first two episodes (or if you like, just an old-style series premiere) had covered Dahj, Raffi, Beard Solo and Picard heading off into space, and then the third had addressed Soji, Hugh, Romulans in Starfleet and the Cube with maybe some B-plot cutaways of Picard and Crew in transit, it might feel like it's moving along a bit faster.
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: wedgeski 11 February, 2020, 10:28:07 AM
What the hell has happened on Earth that Picard feels the need to have not one, but two secret phaser pistols in his front room?! Not to mention live-in elite Tal Shiar bodyguards?

Loved every second.
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: Mister Pops 11 February, 2020, 10:56:14 AM
What the hell has happened on Earth that Picard feels the need to have not one, but two secret phaser pistols in his front room?! Not to mention live-in elite Tal Shiar bodyguards?

Loved every second.

I think those two things might be related. Romulans can be a bit paranoid
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: TordelBack 11 February, 2020, 02:01:24 PM
I'm assuming that the weaponry was installed *after* he'd had a nasty scrap with secret Romulan death squads operating with impunity on Earth.
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: wedgeski 11 February, 2020, 02:06:15 PM
I'm assuming that the weaponry was installed *after* he'd had a nasty scrap with secret Romulan death squads operating with impunity on Earth.
Both the above are sensible answers to that question. :)
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: von Boom 11 February, 2020, 02:30:01 PM
I'm assuming that the weaponry was installed *after* he'd had a nasty scrap with secret Romulan death squads operating with impunity on Earth.
Both the above are sensible answers to that question. :)
That's not how Star Trek fandom works.
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: Tiplodocus 11 February, 2020, 02:56:13 PM
I did think he'd take the Irish romulans with him; them being pretty handy in a fight and all.
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: TordelBack 11 February, 2020, 06:41:43 PM
And also terrific fun. Orla Brady has been magic, but they're really just a wonderful double act. All through the most recent fight scene I was genuinely concerned for their well-being.
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: Mardroid 11 February, 2020, 07:58:42 PM
I'm really enjoying this series.

I liked the most recent episode too but did feel a bit like saying "GET ON WITH IT!" To be clear, I wasn't bored at all. But it did feel like it didn't move the story along a whole lot.

Then again, largely enjoying something so slow paced indicates they're doing something right.
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: Mister Pops 11 February, 2020, 08:11:10 PM
As much as I'm enjoying this, I have no doubt that TNG could have reached this point in the plot by the second commercial break without leaving out anything important.
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: TordelBack 12 February, 2020, 09:22:39 AM
S'right. But that was episode-based telly (and even then it often seemed slow), and not the endlessly dragged-out nested plots that the Modern Streaming Audience Wants.

One or two ideas a season and two-dozen stan-ready characters to ship, as opposed to two featured characters in an A- and B-plot per episode.
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: wedgeski 12 February, 2020, 03:46:13 PM
S'right. But that was episode-based telly (and even then it often seemed slow)...
Yeah, watch a few episodes of S2 or (if you can stomach it) S1 TNG and watch for all the interminable zooms and crescendo-building music. It was often amazing just how little plot they would get away with in 41 mins or whatever it was.

When they got into their groove though, they packed it in there, and often with room for ensemble character development (e.g. the brilliant 'Below Decks').
: Re: Patrick Stewart back as Picard in new series
: TordelBack 12 February, 2020, 07:17:56 PM
When they got into their groove though, they packed it in there, and often with room for ensemble character development (e.g. the brilliant 'Below Decks').

It was a huge missed opportunity that they never built on 'Below Decks'. Voyager dropped a similar ball with 'Learning Curve'.
: Re: Patrick Stewart back as Picard in new series
: Gary James 12 February, 2020, 09:51:29 PM
S'right. But that was episode-based telly (and even then it often seemed slow), and not the endlessly dragged-out nested plots that the Modern Streaming Audience Wants.
Discovery seems to be handling continuing narrative without dragging its heels - though the glaring omission in Michael's back-story does taint the entire show for me.

It isn't that Picard is bugging me just because it feels lethargic, but that there's no sense of urgency. It is great that they can take their time, but... Someone turns up and says there is a room full of corpses which they've just come from, and Picard doesn't even feel the need to report this to the authorities. Hell, he looks like he's ready for a cup of cocoa and his slippers. WHAT THE HELL, CAPTAIN? This is the brain degeneration, right? Tell me its him going doolally, and I'll forgive everything else.

What I wouldn't give to see Picard in a gingham dress holding a penguin puppet...
: Re: Patrick Stewart back as Picard in new series
: TordelBack 12 February, 2020, 11:16:07 PM
Discovery seems to be handling continuing narrative without dragging its heels...

Last I looked, 'everyone' hated Discovery and its season-long plots. Not me, mind.
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: Professor Bear 14 February, 2020, 01:06:16 PM
I'm not saying Seven Of Nine is a terrible character, but she actually made Voyager worse.
However, I did like how the Picard writers wrote an almost perfect satire of how she was utilised in Voyager, with the regular cast having some difficulty - ranging from being outgunned by warships to having a blocked toilet - and then someone says how awesome Seven Of Nine is, and how she'd be great for this situation.*  We should get a betting pool going on how long it takes a character to say the word "nanoprobes" in the next episode.



* Usually Harry Kim.  If you pause the show when he delivers these lines, you can actually see the actor's soul dying a piece at a time as he realises who would normally be having screen time as the away team tech guy.
: Re: Patrick Stewart back as Picard in new series
: IndigoPrime 14 February, 2020, 02:39:11 PM
not the endlessly dragged-out nested plots that the Modern Streaming Audience Wants
Almost all of the streaming stuff I’ve watched has had a sense of urgency and not pissing about. What I’ve watched of Picard feels a lot more like broadcast telly, stretching out 10 minutes of plot to fill an hour.
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: Gary James 14 February, 2020, 09:30:25 PM
I'm not saying Seven Of Nine is a terrible character, but she actually made Voyager worse.
Nope - not telling its story was what made Voyager difficult to watch. It had one job, and it flubbed that position in the grand scheme of things time and again.

What I’ve watched of Picard feels a lot more like broadcast telly, stretching out 10 minutes of plot to fill an hour.
Broadcast television can do urgent just as good as any streaming service - Killing Eve, for example, never feels as if it is waiting for an appropriate point to kick into high gear. The fact that Michael Chabon is in charge of the writing is really weird - he doesn't take this much time to get to the point in print, and maybe (just maybe) it is the producers who have mandated that things move at a crawl.



And to save my neck from looking like a bad Haunting of Hill House cosplayer, it is probably safer to put my full reviews someplace where the Trek faithful aren't likely to find them...
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: IndigoPrime 14 February, 2020, 10:03:09 PM
Well, we just watched episode 3. It takes 16 minutes to deal with two conversations. About three quarters of the way through, an event happens that should arguably have closed out episode one. It is so insanely slothful, and with some cringeworthy dialogue. Mrs IP wants to stick with it because she likes Star Trek, but that’s twice now where we’re both saying we hope it gets better. Right now, it’s like listening to an album of slow self-important surges written by someone who thinks slow means clever. Slow can just mean slow.
: Re: Patrick Stewart back as Picard in new series
: TordelBack 14 February, 2020, 11:07:06 PM
I'm guessing this is one of those taste things, but as of Ep 3 I really have no complaints. I've always hated Action Hero Picard of the movie era, and loved Befuddled Ederly Picard of various TNG episodes, and maybe I'm still just coasting on the fact that Picard & Co's story didn't end with the pile of dogshit that was Nemesis, but the pacing is fine by me.
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: Dandontdare 15 February, 2020, 02:19:11 AM
Couldn't agree more, I'm savouring the slow pacing.

In ep4 they could have used a bit of that youngifiying CGI magic as I got a little confused with the flashbacks. How long ago were those conversations?
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: Tiplodocus 15 February, 2020, 09:06:24 AM
"Surprise" ending completely spoiled by the opening credits but I continue to enjoy this. Romulan warrior nuns, indeed.
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: Tiplodocus 15 February, 2020, 09:11:54 AM
Ps: i like Nemesis. There are a couple of wildly stupid action set pieces that do not belong, Die Picard is all wrong but, I liked it.
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: Magnetica 15 February, 2020, 01:39:17 PM
Inspired by Picard I have been rewatching relevant episodes of TNG: Measure of a Man, I Borg, Descent, All Good Things.

What that has served to do is remind me that TNG is literally my favourite TV show of all time, bar none.

Yes it is episodic but that means you can just pick any episode and watch and not feel lost. It not having an arc structure (and remember no TV did back then, apart from soaps) doesn’t mean they didn’t have on going stories, it just that the structure was to address it in one episode, forget about it for ages, then come back to it in a future episode (often a two parter). Then come back back to it in another episode later.

I also loved the sound of stuff like the transporter, the phasers, the ship moving through space. Discovery and Picard have changed all that....which I don’t like.....also don’t like the fact they have changed phasers from having a constant beam to being pulse weapons....all cosmetic I know.
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: broodblik 15 February, 2020, 02:00:03 PM
I am enjoying it so far, the pace is just  a little bit slow. At least the last minutes of ep 4 produced some interesting turn of events.
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: Gary James 15 February, 2020, 02:43:30 PM
It not having an arc structure (and remember no TV did back then, apart from soaps) doesn’t mean they didn’t have on going stories...
That isn't exactly the case - while there were plenty of shows which had vary, very loose continuity, there were enough pre-millennium shows with arc structures embedded in their fabric to make for a compelling list. Something such as NYPD Blue (which started as late as 1993, admittedly) might be the most notable, but the trend for continuing narratives in drama series stretches back to the fifties as far as US television is concerned.

You can laugh at this all you want, but... The first (B&W) season of Lost in Space is probably the best overarching story to be broadcast outside of the UK at the time of its release.
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: Mister Pops 15 February, 2020, 02:51:19 PM
Yes it is episodic but that means you can just pick any episode and watch and not feel lost.

This here is a big part of why The Next Generation is my favourite Star Trek*, it's like comfort food.

Picard on the other hand is like a perfectly prepared pan-fried sea-bass with a potato fondant and white-wine vinagarette from a fancy restaurant. A lot of care and attention has gone in to it, you have to wait a bit, and it the end result is something rich, complex and satisfying.

I think I would prefer Fish'n'chips from the place down the road though.

*Deep Space Nine is arguably the best Star Trek, but you can't dip in and out the same way without wondering things like: Is Odo human in this one? Is Barail dead yet? Does everyone know that Bashir is genetically enhanced at this stage? Have the Romulans joined the war yet? Whose side is Dukat on this episode?(trick question, he's on his own side. Always)

I would love Garak to show up at the vinyard. He and the Tal Shiar twins could play a fun game of pretending to have no clue who the other is.
: Re: Patrick Stewart back as Picard in new series
: Magnetica 15 February, 2020, 03:48:57 PM
It not having an arc structure (and remember no TV did back then, apart from soaps) doesn’t mean they didn’t have on going stories...
That isn't exactly the case - while there were plenty of shows which had vary, very loose continuity, there were enough pre-millennium shows with arc structures embedded in their fabric to make for a compelling list. Something such as NYPD Blue (which started as late as 1993, admittedly) might be the most notable, but the trend for continuing narratives in drama series stretches back to the fifties as far as US television is concerned.

You can laugh at this all you want, but... The first (B&W) season of Lost in Space is probably the best overarching story to be broadcast outside of the UK at the time of its release.

Good point. I had forgotten about NYPD Blue. But I’m not sure it was a full on arc...not by today’s standards. The was still always the case of the day. The arcs were more to with Kelly, Sipowicz and Simone various battles with the mob, alcoholism, internal affairs etc.
: Re: Patrick Stewart back as Picard in new series
: TordelBack 15 February, 2020, 04:17:39 PM
I would love Garak to show up at the vinyard. He and the Tal Shiar twins could play a fun game of pretending to have no clue who the other is.

Very much this ^^^^.

Wouldn't half go for Picard having to deal with Grand Nagus Quark, or a new Dax host.
: Re: Patrick Stewart back as Picard in new series
: TordelBack 16 February, 2020, 04:32:46 PM
Enjoyed Episode 4, hope Picard actually gets to hang on to his surrogate son this time, he's had so many.

But Rios is secretly a hologram too, right?
: Re: Patrick Stewart back as Picard in new series
: Steve Green 16 February, 2020, 04:39:14 PM
I'm not sure what's going on with Rios - whether there ever was a physical Rios, or the different Holograms are just aspects of the original's personality.

That 'I fucking hate that hologram' seemed a bit OTT if there's not something going on.

Has anyone in the show commented on why they all look like him yet?

: Re: Patrick Stewart back as Picard in new series
: TordelBack 16 February, 2020, 04:42:45 PM
And that reminds me: was that 'fucking' fucking necessary. Why Trek writers can't just accept that it's a family show I don't know.  It's all been downhill since Data's comedy swearing in Generations.
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: von Boom 18 February, 2020, 02:58:10 PM
And that reminds me: was that 'fucking' fucking necessary. Why Trek writers can't just accept that it's a family show I don't know.  It's all been downhill since Data's comedy swearing in Generations.
There seems to be an obligatory two needless profanities per episode now. At least they got it out of the way early this time. I agree completely that the swearing is completely unnecessary and tarnishes an otherwise good show.

Things are moving forward, albeit slowly. I am loving the Romulan development. I always felt they needed as much attention as the Klingons. Is it too much to hope to see a Romulan/English dictionary in the future?

Surprisingly, outside of Picard himself, I'm enjoying the Dr. Jurati and the La Sirena holograms the most.
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: Dandontdare 21 February, 2020, 09:53:46 PM
I'm loving this.

Everyone talks about Patrick Stewart revisiting an iconic role, but props to Jeri Ryan - I really liked badass Aneka, and I hope she comes back before the end.

I hope that ditzy scientist doesn't get away with murder for long, or Picard's slipping in his Starfleet instincts -
How did he die with an EMH available?
Activate EMH
How did he die?
Bitch killed him
case closed
: Re: Patrick Stewart back as Picard in new series
: wedgeski 21 February, 2020, 10:10:29 PM
Has anyone in the show commented on why they all look like him yet?
Raffi mentioned something about an existential crisis in the most recent episode -- he's obviously working through something!

Loved it as always. Jeri Ryan brought some serious grit to Seven, but I can't help thinking how much Admiral Jayneway would disapprove of her life choices! (Well, except that they were *choices*, which is the key thing I suppose.) Peed myself a bit when the Voyager theme swelled up.

Not really but it was cool.
: Re: Patrick Stewart back as Picard in new series
: von Boom 22 February, 2020, 05:22:56 PM
Listen very carefully. I shall zay zis aunly wonce.

Funny accents aside I did enjoy the episode, for the most part, especially Jeri Ryan's updated Seven. And Dr. Juarti just became very interesting.

Can't we have a series where Picard and Seven team up solving the Federation's problems? Add Worf and Quark and we can have a new A-Team.

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: JamesC 22 February, 2020, 05:49:59 PM
The villain was called...Vajayzzle?  :lol:
: Re: Patrick Stewart back as Picard in new series
: edgeworthy 23 February, 2020, 02:39:47 AM
Listen very carefully. I shall zay zis aunly wonce.

Funny accents aside I did enjoy the episode, for the most part, especially Jeri Ryan's updated Seven. And Dr. Juarti just became very interesting.

Can't we have a series where Picard and Seven team up solving the Federation's problems? Add Worf and Quark and we can have a new A-Team.
Okay so that makes Picard Hannibal, Worf BA, Quark Face, and Seven Murdoch?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MVonyVSQoM
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: Gary James 23 February, 2020, 04:16:46 AM
The villain was called...Vajayzzle?  :lol:
Made all the worse by the fact she seemed to be wearing an outfit which appeared to be one of Gozer's cast-offs.

I'm more convinced than ever that this is, in fact, a Mad parody rather than the real thing.

And was that a LeMarchand Box?  :o
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: Greg M. 23 February, 2020, 09:31:35 AM
Okay so that makes Picard Hannibal, Worf BA, Quark Face, and Seven Murdoch?

Got this odd feeling Reg Barclay might make a good Murdock - can't quite put my finger on why...

Just caught up with episodes 4 & 5. 4 was another glacially-paced outing from a writer who seems baffled by the concept of 'show don't tell' but by this stage I'm used to it. However, everything suddenly woke up for part 5, which is the most Blake's 7 episode of Star Trek ever. Ridiculous grimness on a collision course with high camp, and what do you know? It worked. Things happened. Patrick Stewart hammed it up to the (Seven of) nines. Silly outfits were worn. Space Commander Travis and Inferno-universe Brigadier were invoked. Some of it was actually fun; other bits were terribly unpleasant. (That was not a nice thing to do to a former Trek semi-regular.) Mad, daft, cruel - it may be all over the shop, but at least the shop's now open for business.

Shame they couldn't get Brian Brophy back though... his oleaginous Maddox would have been a treat.
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: shaolin_monkey 25 February, 2020, 05:38:07 AM
This was the first episode where I thought ‘this is fun!’

: Re: Patrick Stewart back as Picard in new series
: Greg M. 28 February, 2020, 08:44:36 PM
Episode six continues last week’s upward trend by being pretty good – the slow bits felt purposeful, rather than protracted, the Picard / Hugh reunion had some real warmth and was actually quite touching, and there was even a welcome nod to TNG: Birthright (and a more overt and rather arcane Voyager reference too.) Motoring along steadily now, with Elnor clearly emerging as the most likeable of the new characters.
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: shaolin_monkey 29 February, 2020, 01:01:56 PM
I thoroughly enjoyed this weeks episode! Long may this upwards trend continue.
: Re: Patrick Stewart back as Picard in new series
: Professor Bear 06 March, 2020, 11:23:32 PM
Lazy dead baby backstory aside, Picard and Riker doing bro hugs was the best.  All downhill from there, but it was nice that the Romulan brother/sister act did something other than their one scene where she comes into his room in a strop and says "why don't you kill her already do you love her or summat" and then he tells her their mission again.
: Re: Patrick Stewart back as Picard in new series
: Greg M. 07 March, 2020, 09:20:10 AM
Knowing this was the Riker / Troi episode, I was all set to love this one - Riker was always my favourite TNG character - and I won't deny there was a big grin on my face when the old pals were reunited. But to my frustration, I couldn't embrace the episode quite as warmly as Will embraced Jean-Luc. It was just a little bit too depressing, given the deaths of both Riker's son and Hugh. I know, I know, it's a series about an old man with a terminal illness, but I wish it'd just cheer up a bit.
: Re: Patrick Stewart back as Picard in new series
: von Boom 07 March, 2020, 04:53:14 PM
What is wrong with this generation of writers that everyone has to have a fucking tragic backstory now? A dead child. Really? Utter bollocks. Mind you the lost me much earlier when the Soji replicant, after inferring the entirety of Borg technology at a glance, didn't know what a compass was.  ::)

Neo has a showdown with and Agent and managed to stay alive to fight Agent again at some future point where, after a protracted struggle, will turn up trumps.

At least Picard had a little nap.
: Re: Patrick Stewart back as Picard in new series
: blackmocco 07 March, 2020, 08:43:39 PM
I'm just thrilled we can continue the long-standing Trek tradition of annoying know-it-all brats who can solve a problem the rest of the cast can't by using her 24th century phone. Somebody actually got paid to write this shite.

On another note, nothing says quality writing like the showrunner having to explain what's going on via answering questions on his Instagram feed. Pathetic.
: Re: Patrick Stewart back as Picard in new series
: Robin Low 08 March, 2020, 09:19:41 AM
What is wrong with this generation of writers that everyone has to have a fucking tragic backstory now? A dead child. Really? Utter bollocks.

Or, more significantly, a tragic parallel to the loss of Lwaxana Troi's other child and Deanna's sister, Kestra.

On another note, nothing says quality writing like the showrunner having to explain what's going on via answering questions on his Instagram feed. Pathetic.

I think it says more about the quality of some of the viewers who need to ask the questions. Perhaps they should stop fucking looking at their fucking phones and fucking pay attention. It really isn't that difficult to follow.

My only concern about the series is the conspiracy inside Star Fleet angle. But then again, if I complained about that I'd have to complain about a gazillion Dredd plotlines.

Regards,

Robin
: Re: Patrick Stewart back as Picard in new series
: Professor Bear 08 March, 2020, 04:31:11 PM
Kestra died in a random accident, Troi's son died of a curable condition after Starfleet banned medical research, so you'd have to make a generous reading of those disparate events to call them thematically resonant beyond both involving dead children (and JL's nephew may as well be in the mix at that point).  Even then I would tread carefully, as I think that some people dismissive of dead children tropes might respond in such a way because they have an emotional response to the subject.

My thoughts during the exposition scene were along the lines of "they left Starfleet for their son, why didn't they leave the Federation and go somewhere the research was legal, or at least not outlawed yet?  Why didn't they try to contact Maddox?  Or one of the many, many advanced species we've seen in Trek over the years who have fancy medicine technology?"  It felt like they not only just rolled over and let it happen, but that they put their faith in space homeopathy.
: Re: Patrick Stewart back as Picard in new series
: Mardroid 08 March, 2020, 08:03:15 PM
They did go to a planet with regenerative soil though. But I get your point. I'm sure they did investigate as much as they could. It was difficult enough for Picard and co to find Maddox.

I immensely enjoyed it, and I'm not much of a STNG fan.

I wish Hugh had lasted longer.
And the young Romulan bloke just happening* on a Fenris Ranger** tag seemed a bit too convenient.

I'm just thrilled we can continue the long-standing Trek tradition of annoying know-it-all brats who can solve a problem the rest of the cast can't by using her 24th century phone.

If she worked out the planet's location all by herself, I'd agree. Instead she contacted a man who could. A quirky resourceful type, who they had mentioned earlier in the episode.

*Or maybe he didn't and I just missed it. I know Seven gave one to Picard, so did he drop it? Quite possible with all that running about.

** While I had no difficulty following this episode I confess I did miss the significance of the doodad medal found dangling. Reading a review later explained what it was. It's quite possible that will be explained next week though.
: Re: Patrick Stewart back as Picard in new series
: shaolin_monkey 09 March, 2020, 10:49:51 AM
Any Trek fan who didn't get the warm fuzzies after that episode has a cold black heart.
: Re: Patrick Stewart back as Picard in new series
: Robin Low 09 March, 2020, 06:34:31 PM
Even then I would tread carefully, as I think that some people dismissive of dead children tropes might respond in such a way because they have an emotional response to the subject.

I have an emotional response to the subject, too, which is why I'm not dismissive of it. We've lost a baby and came too close to losing another the day they were born.

The fear of future loss remains, whether accident or illness.

Regards,

Robin
: Re: Patrick Stewart back as Picard in new series
: Gary James 12 March, 2020, 10:29:44 PM
Mind you the lost me much earlier when the Soji replicant, after inferring the entirety of Borg technology at a glance, didn't know what a compass was.  ::)
So-called experts aboard various ships bearing the name Enterprise have massive gaps in their knowledge of their specialist fields, with the most blatant example probably being Trip - at least the show is being faithful to the franchise's history with that...

Any Trek fan who didn't get the warm fuzzies after that episode has a cold black heart.
*checks heart*
Goddamn...

There is the same inconsistent characterization that the show has been pushing (Picard is a dick, then the noble former Starfleet officer we know, then he's a dick, then he's massively erratic, then he's back to being upstanding again), the tech on display at a private residence is apparently solid enough to repel the Tal Shiar (a planetary government's secret agency, which had access to vast resources) should it come to that, and Riker makes pizza, which is... plain weird.

At least he didn't play the saxophone.

As for the dead children backstory... Holy shit, is this show ever managing to come up with new and frustrating ways to make sheer enjoyment - the "kick back and enjoy great spectacle" kind of enjoyment - really, really difficult. Every time I start to relax into things there is a moment which sticks out so badly and uncomfortably against the canvas of a universe built up over decades that I can't help but think "why are you punishing us so?" That plot point merely reinforces that the decision to ban artificial lifeforms was a mistake - it wasn't needed in the script given the other things presented.

I have an emotional response to the subject, too, which is why I'm not dismissive of it. We've lost a baby and came too close to losing another the day they were born.
Sorry to hear that.

The death of a child is a subject which is important for fiction to cover, but Picard (as I see it) didn't set up enough groundwork, nor prepare the audience in any way, to justify the inclusion of that (frankly bizarre) revelation. When something such as that is dropped into an episode it often smacks of sensationalism rather than considered character development.

I've got to admit to a sneaking admiration for the writing staff's boldness in not having the ninja efl - sorry, I meant Elnor - follow Picard for the duration. It would have been far too pleasing to have him accompany Picard, allowing for some interesting dialogue about truth in light of what Riker had to say about Picard's tenure as captain. There are whole books devoted to the nature of identity and self in Star Trek, and Picard's inability to see himself in the way his crew did (and still does) feels at odds with what the various shows have put forward over the years about humanity progressing in self-understanding.
: Re: Patrick Stewart back as Picard in new series
: Tiplodocus 21 March, 2020, 02:31:34 PM
So still enjoying this and great to see you know who pop up. More action this week and a planet of sexy androids. Yahoo! I assume Roman warbirds were either leftovers from the diaspora and no good for evacuating large groups of people. Otherwise, where did they get 280 of the fecker from?
: Re: Patrick Stewart back as Picard in new series
: Mardroid 21 March, 2020, 07:21:05 PM
I didn't find it difficult to believe the Romulans could access that amount of craft.They'd need plenty of ships out there to police their interstellar empire and keep control. And it's been a while since the destruction of their planet so I'm guessing they've produced plenty more ships (on top of the hundreds that were out there and not destroyed in the supernova) in the meantime. If you think in interstellar terms 200 isn't that much.

It does seem way overthetop for this mission, though. Sure, they don't know what they'll encounter on the synth homeworld, but you'd think 10 warbirds would be more than enough.
: Re: Patrick Stewart back as Picard in new series
: Professor Bear 21 March, 2020, 07:47:02 PM
If they had that many ships, why didn't they mount their own evacuation?  And if they made the ships afterwards, why are Romulans just a bunch of bums now?  Why didn't they just relocate their government to one of their hundreds of planets and start over with even more restrictive government powers to capitalise on the disaster?  I mean, they're an empire and not a single planet.  I guess we, the viewers, are expected to fill in the gaps by saying "they felt sad because Romulan 1 went boom-boom so they all became space hobos" or something, but that kind of thing should ideally be in the text of the show.

As has been pointed out many times now, the AI plot is both a rehash of the end of the dreadful Discovery season 2, and the shittiest Mass Effect game.
: Re: Patrick Stewart back as Picard in new series
: Tiplodocus 21 March, 2020, 09:03:50 PM
The short answer is, of course, "The same place as Palpatine".
: Re: Patrick Stewart back as Picard in new series
: Dandontdare 22 March, 2020, 02:44:17 AM
If they had that many ships, why didn't they mount their own evacuation?  And if they made the ships afterwards, why are Romulans just a bunch of bums now?  Why didn't they just relocate their government to one of their hundreds of planets and start over with even more restrictive government powers to capitalise on the disaster?  I mean, they're an empire and not a single planet.  I guess we, the viewers, are expected to fill in the gaps by saying "they felt sad because Romulan 1 went boom-boom so they all became space hobos" or something, but that kind of thing should ideally be in the text of the show.

Where do you get the bums and hobos bit? They may not be the power they once were, having lost the centre of their empire, but they still seem to be depicted as a force to be reckoned with, given that they 'negotiated' control of the cube with strictly controlled federation access.
: Re: Patrick Stewart back as Picard in new series
: Professor Bear 22 March, 2020, 02:54:09 PM
If they conceded to let the Federation into their space, I don't think that proves the Romulans are negotiating from as strong a position as they once did - in fact, it just brings up more questions: like why did they let the Federation into their space - a previously unthinkable scenario - after the Federation decided to not just renege on a promise of aid but to deliberately let the Romulans die because they hated them?

And a Romulan senator died in a dusty saloon in the asshole of nowhere with the Romulan equivalent of a "no blacks, no Irish, no dogs" sign on the front, that seem like pretty bums and hobos stuff to me, though I'm willing to cede it may just have been bad writing.
: Re: Patrick Stewart back as Picard in new series
: Mardroid 25 March, 2020, 12:25:51 PM
If they had that many ships, why didn't they mount their own evacuation?  And if they made the ships afterwards, why are Romulans just a bunch of bums now?  Why didn't they just relocate their government to one of their hundreds of planets and start over with even more restrictive government powers to capitalise on the disaster?  I mean, they're an empire and not a single planet.  I guess we, the viewers, are expected to fill in the gaps by saying "they felt sad because Romulan 1 went boom-boom so they all became space hobos" or something, but that kind of thing should ideally be in the text of the show.

As has been pointed out many times now, the AI plot is both a rehash of the end of the dreadful Discovery season 2, and the shittiest Mass Effect game.

200 ships isn’t much when you consider a population of billions of people. (Assuming they have earth type populations or even more.)

Twice that number isn’t much.

I’m sure they did evacuate plenty, but it wasn’t enough in the short time required hence Starfleet initially offering aid (albeit short-lived).

As for relocating the government, I assume they did just that, at least in part. The Romulan empire still appears to exist after all. And I shouldn’t judge the entire empire on the characters we met in that earlier episode where they found Nerak. That’s one colony, and I’m sure the working class and lower types feel the pressure just as everywhere from time immemorial.

Don’t get me wrong, the empire isn’t what it was. They have far from recovered. The fact Picard and co were still very concerned about entering Romulan territory when visiting the Borg cube, and all these mentions of treaties, etc suggest there’s a government of a kind, or at least secret service people holding power... which for the Romulan is pretty much the same thing. Even if they’re fragmented (which I think is quite likely) 200 ships isn’t very much considering the sheer scale of things.

As for the Palpatine comment, I won’t go into it here as this isn’t a Star Wars thread, but the answer is the same: interstellar scale. How many star destroyers are actually wrecked at the end of RotJ? About 3, I believe, although one was very big.
: Re: Patrick Stewart back as Picard in new series
: Professor Bear 25 March, 2020, 01:38:18 PM
200 ships isn’t much when you consider a population of billions of people. (Assuming they have earth type populations or even more.)

Your point equally applies to the Federation fleet, but my point was more about how/why the Romulans use their resources, ie: why didn't they just make loads of airtight containers, then beam loads of people into them and tractor beam the container somewhere because that's something even a tiny ship could do?  They clearly had enough notice of the supernova for Picard to be traveling to and from the Beta Quadrant, which is days - if not weeks - of time apparently spent thinking the Federation was going to take care of everything for them, which at the very least is not quite how I remember the Romulan mindset from the shows.
: Re: Patrick Stewart back as Picard in new series
: TordelBack 26 March, 2020, 09:21:34 AM
Even the most unexpected supernova travels at the speed of light, so there would have been many years to evacuate most affected worlds. However, we can assume that, like Earth, Cardassia and Vulcan, the majority of Romulans still lived on Romulus (and presumably Remans on nearby Remus). The maths of planetary evacuation mean that only a small proportion of the billions on the homeworld could have been saved, even with the resources of the other Alpha Quadrant powers. As a result the surviving Empire would have been heavily skewed to the population of outlying worlds and colonies, with a disproportionate amount of naval installations and planet-based primary industries. The outward population pressure that drives expansion and stresses borders would have ceased, making territory less important for a still-powerful mobile military.
: Re: Patrick Stewart back as Picard in new series
: Professor Bear 26 March, 2020, 12:38:47 PM
What they should have done was build some sort of artificial black hole to eat the supernova while not affecting the remaining planets in any way whatsoever, and then they could just turn the black hole off like they did with the one that opened next to Saturn.
: Re: Patrick Stewart back as Picard in new series
: Mardroid 26 March, 2020, 02:12:39 PM
What they should have done was build some sort of artificial black hole to eat the supernova while not affecting the remaining planets in any way whatsoever, and then they could just turn the black hole off like they did with the one that opened next to Saturn.

Heh. You’ve a point there. Romulans actually use artificially created black holes to power their warbirds, don’t they, so they’ve got that science down. (At least they used those for the big ships* from TNG/DS9/V time period.) I doubt they could control a large black hole like that, but I’d have thought, considering what a black hole actually is, even a miniature one would be formidable.

By the way, what do you all think of the design of the new warbirds in Picard? I do like them, but I miss the older style. That design was more unique. I think the new ones will grow on me, though. They’re very pretty, but maybe a bit too ‘bird-of-preyey’?

*D’eridex class, I believe. Possibly misspelled.
: Re: Patrick Stewart back as Picard in new series
: Professor Bear 26 March, 2020, 03:15:27 PM
I assumed they just re-used the fighter models from the old Star Trek: Invasion PS1 game.
: Re: Patrick Stewart back as Picard in new series
: TordelBack 26 March, 2020, 05:32:28 PM
I assumed they just re-used the fighter models from the old Star Trek: Invasion PS1 game.

 :lol:

The apparent Romulan overkill w.r.t. the Synth homeworld may be a reaction to their previous attempted-genocidal attack on the Founders' planet - a comfortably large fleet of 20 Warbirds and Galor-class starships were completely wiped out by Jem & the Hadargrams.   
: Re: Patrick Stewart back as Picard in new series
: Mardroid 26 March, 2020, 06:02:36 PM
The apparent Romulan overkill w.r.t. the Synth homeworld may be a reaction to their previous attempted-genocidal attack on the Founders' planet - a comfortably large fleet of 20 Warbirds and Galor-class starships were completely wiped out by Jem & the Hadargrams.

Heh. Death by Glam-Rock!
: Re: Patrick Stewart back as Picard in new series
: Radbacker 28 March, 2020, 02:12:37 AM
Watched the last episode and was real impressed that theykilled of Picard and then they didn’t  >:(, overall not a bad series but I’m sure I’m probably in the minority here in the I like Discovery more and am chomping at the bit to see where they take that after the end of last season.

CU Radbacker
: Re: Patrick Stewart back as Picard in new series
: pauljholden 28 March, 2020, 02:03:31 PM
Watched the last episode and was real impressed that theykilled of Picard and then they didn’t  >:(, overall not a bad series but I’m sure I’m probably in the minority here in the I like Discovery more and am chomping at the bit to see where they take that after the end of last season.

CU Radbacker

In my head canon :
Picard had a brain embolism in episode one and the entire series has been a 5 minute long death dream, and we cut to irish romulan woman tearfully saying goodbye to Picard who "died doing what he loved [walking in his garden]"
: Re: Patrick Stewart back as Picard in new series
: Greg M. 28 March, 2020, 03:49:40 PM
Well, that was a finale that echoed the series as a whole – a confused, frustrating mess that had some good bits (Riker) and a soupcon of superficial excitement buried amongst the debris of a weird, emotionally-manipulative, logic-free plot. Filled to the brim with terrible, terrible tossed-off ideas and god-awful clichés that seemed just randomly pulled out the writer’s collective arses – y’know, like a modern Dr. Who story. (It actually felt very Steven Moffat at times.) The more I think about it, the worse it gets. So many opportunities wasted: the series has one really likeable, clearly-defined new character in Elnor – it should try actually doing something with him! But who actually are the other characters anyway? Space-murderer, space-junkie, space-beard, some weird version of Seven, space-daughter with no consistent personality? I came to this series wanting to like it and trying to like it – maybe I’m just not in a sufficiently jovial mood at present to overlook its faults.
: Re: Patrick Stewart back as Picard in new series
: shaolin_monkey 30 March, 2020, 04:10:07 PM
Some stuff in space.  Some stuff on the ground. Picard died, then he didn't.  Data evaporated. Everyone flew away at the end.

Yeah, that was a bit...

(https://i.imgur.com/iWKad22.jpg)