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2000 AD => General => : SmallBlueThing(Reborn) 30 May, 2019, 06:36:24 PM

: Query: Why isn't there a monthly Dredd reprint title?
: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) 30 May, 2019, 06:36:24 PM
Apologies if this has been addressed elsewhere by those in the know. Seeing as how the "Eagle Comics" Dredd reprint title was so seminal in bringing Dredd to a US audience back in the 80s, it seems odd to me that we don't have a modern equivalent. Rebellion don't seem inexperienced or catastrophic in putting out US format titles (most reprint, some not) and IDW have a license of some sort, with an inferior Dredd strip that seems to continually miss the mark, despite a host of seriously good creators and all the best will in the world. 

So why isn't the 2000AD/ Meg strip itself reprinted on a monthly basis for the American market? Has the strip finally succumbed to 42 years of continuity and become "too reliant on backstory" for there to be an easy start point?

Is it just financially not worth the outlay?

Personally I'd love to see it, reformatted for the US dimensions, printed on cheap paper to undercut the cost of regular comics, and starting from "some point a couple of years ago".

Anyone have any idea why it's not happened?

SBT
: Re: Query: Why isn't there a monthly Dredd reprint title?
: Frank 30 May, 2019, 07:01:34 PM
Rebellion don't seem inexperienced or catastrophic in putting out US format titles (most reprint, some not) and IDW have a license of some sort, with an inferior Dredd strip that seems to continually miss the mark

I don't disagree, but Tharg's US one-shots generally sold significantly fewer copies than IDW's Dredd titles*, regardless of quality (link (https://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2014/2014-05.html)).


* Brass Sun issue 1 sold as many copies as IDW's Rogue Trooper book, which had already been cancelled.
: Re: Query: Why isn't there a monthly Dredd reprint title?
: The Adventurer 30 May, 2019, 07:43:38 PM
Monthly reprints don't sell. If they did IDW's Judge Dredd Classics would still be going.

EDIT: Oh way, was Judge Dredd Classics ever a thing? Or was that just a FCBD One-Shot?

But the point is, monthly reprints just do not do well in 2019 across the board.

EDIT2: Oh okay, there was a Classics series back in 2013/14
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/judge-dredd-classics/4050-65074/
: Re: Query: Why isn't there a monthly Dredd reprint title?
: Frank 30 May, 2019, 08:20:09 PM
Monthly reprints don't sell. If they did IDW's Judge Dredd Classics would still be going.

I think what SBT had in mind was more a repackaging of the current (or at least recent) strip. The Small House, Machine Law, Sons Of Booth and Mike Carroll's Dredd: Mission To Moscow stories would fill a year of US comics.

I'm still not sure it would sell much, though. Rebellion's Movie-Dredd cash-ins sold 4 (https://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2014/2014-01.html), 4½ (https://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2014/2014-10.html), and 1.7 (https://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2018/2018-10.html) thousand, respectively. The same month as the highest of those sales, IDW's Megacity Two debuted to 6.7 thousand.


: Re: Query: Why isn't there a monthly Dredd reprint title?
: Colin YNWA 30 May, 2019, 08:54:04 PM
I'm sure there' lots of thinking goes into this and possilby while IDW had the license there was no need to add to a market where Dredd has always been a hard sell? If folks in the US want 2000ad stuff that's current digital offers no barriers for those that do.

The trades of modern Dredd are also readily available it seems and the US specific Case File still seem to be going strong so maybe that's the prefer market these days. Its certainly seems the case that availability of Dredd in the US is far better now than its ever been?
: Re: Query: Why isn't there a monthly Dredd reprint title?
: sheridan 30 May, 2019, 09:00:31 PM
I'd have thought the main contest would be the Case Files, though I don't know how available those are in the US.  Then again, at the same time that Eagle Dredd was being published, so were Titan Dredd (then again, I bought the monthly but wouldn't have been available to get the Titan editions at the time).
: Re: Query: Why isn't there a monthly Dredd reprint title?
: Colin YNWA 30 May, 2019, 09:06:36 PM
The Case Files thing is weird in the US. They have their only series of them, which from a quick check is up to volume 16. The regular series are however readily available via Amazon anyway at pretty much regular prices from what I can see. I'd guess - and this is a guess - that the US only ones are for the phyiscal massive market books shop for those that don't shop online? Either way they don't seem hard to get hold of for those that want them and the fact that the US run is still going suggests they're finding some kinda sustainable market?
: Re: Query: Why isn't there a monthly Dredd reprint title?
: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) 31 May, 2019, 09:09:30 AM
Yes, it was the more recent Dredd I was talking about really. IDW did their classics run, but that was yet again the early stuff that anyone familiar with the strip would already have read multiple times.
Dredd is a popular strip with a strong reputation, but how many casual punters across the States must surely be under the impression it either stopped years ago or that the newer stuff is just inferior? Trade paperback editions of most US monthly titles already exist with no perceived effect on the floppies that they contain.
I get all the arguments against, but it just seems very strange that Rebellion's flagship character doesn't have a regular place in the monthly schedules of such a huge market, and that they are content instead to have the property represented by the IDW version. Although to be fair, I've not bought or read that one for a good few years now, so it may have improved greatly.
SBT
: Re: Query: Why isn't there a monthly Dredd reprint title?
: Jim_Campbell 31 May, 2019, 09:59:12 AM
Whatever the actual reason, it seems fairly obvious that the US as a market is fairly resistant to Dredd on some fundamental level. Classic material, new US-originated material, collections wrapped in covers by top-rank American artists with names like Millar, Morrison and Ennis, all of whom have significant brand recognition in the States, writ large on the cover… nothing seems to have cracked the US.

I find myself wondering if a big push with Strontium Dog material might not find more traction. The sci-fi Western feel would, perhaps, feel more familiar than Dredd's wide variety of tone and off-kilter satire, Alpha is a more traditional 'good guy' and the underlying theme (racism is bad) easier to grasp and embrace than Dredd's (fascism is bad, but this guy's a fascist, and you quite like this guy, what does that say about you?) … none of which is to suggest that Strontium Dog is a simplistic series, just that it's easier to grasp at a surface level.
: Re: Query: Why isn't there a monthly Dredd reprint title?
: JOE SOAP 31 May, 2019, 10:18:45 AM
How well do any non-American comic characters sell in the US?

: Re: Query: Why isn't there a monthly Dredd reprint title?
: IndigoPrime 31 May, 2019, 10:33:16 AM
How well do any non-American comic characters sell in the US?
How well does anything that isn’t superheroes sell? In the current charts, you’re down to issue one of Conan (#10 position) before you hit a non-traditional superhero. Next, Conan again – at #92. Star Wars Vader Dark Visions is #100. Walking Dead? Best showing is #111. Buffy #1 is 189. The entire 200 is basically bereft of anything that isn’t a superhero or a massive piece of IP.

As for Dredd, reading the movie reviews at the time suggest one problem for mainstream adoption: a big chunk of Americans consider it an insult. This is a really shitty take on where their country ends up, and a lot of them really do not respond well to that. There is no hero to bring back America. It’s just recognition that America has become a fascist state (or, rather, what’s left of it has become two fascists states and a few settlements). It’s notable that the reviewers who took this line slammed the movie’s violence and grim humour, yet celebrated Deadpool – a character happily killing people left and right, just because he’s a messed-up maverick (versus a cop doing his job).

If Dredd hasn’t broken through in the mainstream newsstand yet, it’s never going to. As for other 2000 AD strips, it’s hard to know whether anything would sell very well as an ongoing title. Strontium Dog is great, but it’s pretty finite, and the early strips would baffle modern readers if it started from year one. Nikolai Dante didn’t stick in trades (perhaps because he’s Russian). What does that leave? Sláine? (“Knock-off Conan.”) Rogue Trooper? (Already failed.)

Still, from what I can tell, 2000 AD does appear to be holding its own as a niche brand, and getting traction in US cons, in digital, and in US trades. There’s clearly a market of sorts – as others in this thread have said; but it does feel like floppies are a hiding to nothing in the current market.
: Re: Query: Why isn't there a monthly Dredd reprint title?
: JOE SOAP 31 May, 2019, 10:46:36 AM
The entire 200 is basically bereft of anything that isn’t a superhero or a massive piece of IP.

Or anything that’s not American. 100 Bullets portrayed America as a doomed criminal empire filled with mostly unsavoury amoral characters but still sold well in its day. Even if Dredd was sold as a more heroic character battling a corrupt system to restore democracy and rights for the neglected, I don’t think it would fare any better.
: Re: Query: Why isn't there a monthly Dredd reprint title?
: IndigoPrime 31 May, 2019, 11:03:24 AM
That, too – and this is the case for a lot of US media. It’s taken as read that other countries (at least, Western ones) will embrace stories set in the US, and media created in the US. Much of our cultural intake is TV, movies, and music from American sources. But the reverse is much less the case. Sure, there are, for example, breakthrough British bands in the US, but even taking into account the relative population sizes, far fewer have historically made that leap. That’s even more evident regarding television. Our networks are saturated with US fare. The reverse just isn’t true. And it’s especially sad when you see great indie fare like Attack the Block and Shaun of the Dead being ignored in the US because of “difficult accents” or, more often, just because the films are set somewhere other than the USA.

(Marvel is a big like this. My wife happily watches things like the MCU, but she has asked what on earth is going on elsewhere in the planet. It’s a good point. Mind you, outside of New York is often a stretch for Marvel.)
: Re: Query: Why isn't there a monthly Dredd reprint title?
: sheridan 31 May, 2019, 11:16:02 AM
If Dredd hasn’t broken through in the mainstream newsstand yet, it’s never going to. As for other 2000 AD strips, it’s hard to know whether anything would sell very well as an ongoing title. Strontium Dog is great, but it’s pretty finite, and the early strips would baffle modern readers if it started from year one. Nikolai Dante didn’t stick in trades (perhaps because he’s Russian). What does that leave? Sláine? (“Knock-off Conan.”) Rogue Trooper? (Already failed.)


Has Rogue Trooper failed?  Wasn't that original series from IDW cancelled before the first issue had even been published?  That isn't a comment on the comic itself.  Pretty sure it was also before the Rogue Trooper computer game was re-released.  That's leaving aside publicity from Jones' film.

: Re: Query: Why isn't there a monthly Dredd reprint title?
: Jim_Campbell 31 May, 2019, 11:20:42 AM
How well does anything that isn’t superheroes sell? In the current charts, you’re down to issue one of Conan (#10 position) before you hit a non-traditional superhero. Next, Conan again – at #92. Star Wars Vader Dark Visions is #100. Walking Dead? Best showing is #111. Buffy #1 is 189. The entire 200 is basically bereft of anything that isn’t a superhero or a massive piece of IP.

Slightly random tangent: I think we may be misjudging the US market by focussing on the sales charts for monthly titles which are entirely dominated by superhero offerings from the Big Two.

I do the vast majority of my work for BOOM, who publish a lot of books every month — not a superhero title among them (I mean, you could make an argument for Power Rangers or even the WWE stuff as being thinly-disguised superhero books, but nothing that explicitly says "I am a superhero book") but lots of YA, science fiction… all very inclusive and representative, and it depresses the shit out of me to see how few copies most of it sells on the monthly charts.

All of this stuff lives in the TPB market, though. I'm pretty sure the monthly books help them get press coverage, and spread the cost of commissioning over multiple issues with at least some revenue coming back month-on-month, but that's not where these comics do business.

Giant Days is universally well-reviewed, has five (I think) Eisner nominations for either the title or John Allison's writing, and the monthly routinely sells less than 2,000 copies. And yet, I'm currently lettering #52. It's ending on #55 only because John wants to wrap it up — there's no way this book has run for four and a half years on sales of 2K a month, so I'm pretty sure it's doing all its business in channels that have never even seen a copy of Previews.
: Re: Query: Why isn't there a monthly Dredd reprint title?
: Frank 31 May, 2019, 01:41:24 PM
All of this stuff lives in the TPB market

In her recent Megazine (https://i.imgur.com/JvAwbmV.png) interview, Abigail Bulmer* said she thought the future of comics was original graphic novels, since that's what actually sells to kids.

Maybe Tharg could look at making more recent stories available in that form, although the equivalent of the Case Files for modern Dredd stories might cannibalise UK readership of 2000ad itself.


* Comic retailer as well as creator
: Re: Query: Why isn't there a monthly Dredd reprint title?
: Frank 31 May, 2019, 01:44:19 PM
Has Rogue Trooper failed?  Wasn't that original series from IDW cancelled before the first issue had even been published?  That isn't a comment on the comic itself.

I assume that decision was based on pre-orders. Readership usually only declines after the first issue.


: Re: Query: Why isn't there a monthly Dredd reprint title?
: JOE SOAP 31 May, 2019, 09:44:20 PM

I'd prefer the Megazine as a quarterly trade featuring one long story.




: Re: Query: Why isn't there a monthly Dredd reprint title?
: Frank 31 May, 2019, 10:49:52 PM
I'd prefer the Megazine as a quarterly trade featuring one long story.

That's (sort of) the format of the new Roy Of The Rovers (https://royoftheroversofficial.com/shop/RCA-R2001).

I suppose if that proves successful, Tharg might think about trying it out for other characters. I like the idea of hardbacks, but he'd need to charge £18 per book for a quarterly to bring in the same revenue as the monthly Megazine (https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/subscriptions/SUBMEG12MP). *


* £30 for a quarterly 2000ad (https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/subscriptions/SUBPRG12MP). Not that I'm sure a quarterly anthology would work - it'd probably have to be a different series in each book.
: Re: Query: Why isn't there a monthly Dredd reprint title?
: JOE SOAP 01 June, 2019, 05:38:37 PM
It’s taken as read that other countries (at least, Western ones) will embrace stories set in the US, and media created in the US. Much of our cultural intake is TV, movies, and music from American sources. But the reverse is much less the case. Sure, there are, for example, breakthrough British bands in the US, but even taking into account the relative population sizes, far fewer have historically made that leap. That’s even more evident regarding television. Our networks are saturated with US fare. The reverse just isn’t true. And it’s especially sad when you see great indie fare like Attack the Block and Shaun of the Dead being ignored in the US because of “difficult accents” or, more often, just because the films are set somewhere other than the USA.


It's like selling Hollywood made Kaiju films to the Japanese – hard but can be done with a modicum of success.

Dredd has somewhat found a level in the US that is more in-line with how it's received globally: does ok as a niche at home –still not exactly mainstream– and enjoys a simlar niche following everywhere else on the planet. It's a little better now and both JD films still made more money at the box-office in the US, then did a lot better in retail, than anywhere else, and the comics have consistently averaged 4000-5000 monthly sales. Unless some new strategy in another format breaks that ceiling it will likely remain in place.

Selling Dredd to Americans is something I don't think can be reduced to them not getting or liking it. I think plenty of modern Americans have no aversion to critiques or sardonic takes on an 'America' that's failing/failed but it's easier for them to accept when it's done by their own talent and through familiar touchstones – that probably applies in every country and is as much about cutural recognition and familiarity as the quality of the content itself.

Selling Dredd, Attack the Block and Shaun of the Dead worldwide seems to be just as tough as trying to sell it in the US. American Superheroes (and Manga) have been the best-selling comics worldwide for decades so it's no surprise they're accepted so readily by the world in multiple formats/platforms as well as at home.
: Re: Query: Why isn't there a monthly Dredd reprint title?
: Dash Decent 02 June, 2019, 11:58:37 AM
If the MC1 TV series gets made and takes off as a futuristic precinct drama, it will be interesting to see if it translates into any extra interest in the print titles. 
: Re: Query: Why isn't there a monthly Dredd reprint title?
: rs_jr 03 June, 2019, 06:10:25 AM
no need for a reprint issues but the complete case files should include a full years worth of everything dredd and come out quarterly i feel would be ideal
: Re: Query: Why isn't there a monthly Dredd reprint title?
: CalHab 03 June, 2019, 08:29:01 AM
That would be about 450+ pages every quarter, wouldn't it? Seems a bit much, both from a publisher's and a reader's  perspective.