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Spoilers => Prog => : Darren Stephens 22 June, 2019, 08:59:56 PM

: Prog 2137 : Mind how you go...
: Darren Stephens 22 June, 2019, 08:59:56 PM
Absolute belter of a prog! Behind the gorgeous Tula Lotay cover lies a selection of thrills unmatched for some time. My personal highlight being Dredd. Loving Staz' art on this. Thistlebone continues to intrigue, as do Scarlet Tarces and Absalom. The Anderson strip was a pleasent surprise. Really enjoyed it. More so than many of her previous runs.
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: MumboJimbo 22 June, 2019, 09:11:25 PM
I really didn’t get what was going on in Anderson Psi Division. I was fine until the part where Anderson says to Dredd that the gang leader needs 9 years in the psycho-cubes and then it all became incomprehensible to me. Maybe I need to read the first part of the story.

That notwithstanding, I love the line-up at the moment. The Dredd Samaritan story is great. Who is this script droid who shrouds himself in a nom de plume? He’s very good.
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: Batman's Superior Cousin 22 June, 2019, 09:37:23 PM
Who says it’s a bloke?
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: MumboJimbo 22 June, 2019, 09:43:52 PM
Well, the first name is Kenneth.
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: moly 23 June, 2019, 08:47:26 AM
Stunning cover this weeks and most of the prog was top notch except Anderson the art was all over the place
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: Richard 23 June, 2019, 09:53:01 AM
The Samaritan continues to be brilliant, and is my favourite story this week.

I loved that cover. I didn't have any problems with the art on the Anderson story, it looks fine to me.
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: I, Cosh 23 June, 2019, 09:58:04 AM
Well, the first name is Kenneth.

George Eliot?
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: MumboJimbo 23 June, 2019, 02:55:49 PM
I don’t think George Elliot wrote this week’s Judge Dredd. She died in 1880.
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: Geoff 23 June, 2019, 03:16:01 PM
The cover is a fine illustration but not a good image of Judge Anderson.

After Dredd's active participation in the robot judges story arc, he's resumed his default position of recent years.  Dredd seems far more comfortable bandaged-up in a hospital bed lately, rather than sitting on a lawmaster wielding a daystick. I'm sure the virtuous young saviour will help old Joe on his way though..

Scarlett traces has superb art and an interesting, if somewhat confusing story line.  Mainly due to the passage of time between installments. I thought that the security guard was a surprisingly crude cliched cipher for such a talented writer though.

Anderson was a mess in my view, I hope this installment doesn't continue for too long.

Thistlebone...mmmn, hard not to love the art by Simon Davis but I'm not really feeling any of the menace that I got from the preview pictures and the rather wonderful title.

A below average prog for me.     
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: Blue Cactus 23 June, 2019, 04:04:38 PM
Dredd does seem to have spent a bit of time bandaged up and indisposed the last few years (well, in Every Empire Falls at least) but I found it quite effective this week because I like the main character of The Samaritan and am invested in wanting her to survive/escape. So in this instance the bedridden Dredd is this menacing hulking threat/ticking time bomb and she doesn't know what to do but she does know she's got to act fast! I'm enjoying this Dredd a lot, although I'm not sure why the robo-judge thought clones would be psychically connected. I enjoyed Niemand's recent Cursed Earth story in the Meg too.
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: Blue Cactus 23 June, 2019, 04:16:34 PM
Scarlet Traces has so much going on at the moment that I'm enjoying it but not following all of it. There are characters popping up every few episodes and I'm not sure if I should know who they are or not. I may have to go right back to the very start and read the whole thing as I haven't reread any of it since it first appeared in the Megazine so many years ago.

This is the most I've enjoyed a run of Absalom so far I think. Love the setting, love the art, love that we're going to get a definite ending.

Thistlebone continues to be really good, probably the creepiest new series since Cradlegrave and that's saying something. Davis is so good at faces it feels like watching actors.

Anderson, too early to say. A little recap would have been useful regarding Karyn and I'm hoping Karyn herself gets to develop a real personality rather than just 'PSI Judge/vessel for a monstrous demon thing'. The artwork reminded me of Mick Austen a bit in the mid-range and longshots. I found some of the storytelling a little hard to follow, like the top of page two, other bits like the truck coming to a sudden stop worked well. We'll see where this goes.

Good prog right now, even without Mr Abnett!
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: Richard 23 June, 2019, 04:54:31 PM
In answer to Blue Cactus's spoiler-tagged question, there are several Wagner-scripted stories alluding to that sort of thing.
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: Eamonn Clarke 23 June, 2019, 04:57:39 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/WjTHzfr.jpg)

Tula Lotay
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: Blue Cactus 23 June, 2019, 05:45:46 PM
In answer to Blue Cactus's spoiler-tagged question, there are several Wagner-scripted stories alluding to that sort of thing.

Thanks Richard. It's certainly been gestured towards in the past like you say, I was just suprised that Judge Patsy assumed  'all you clones' can do it with such accuracy that they'd get a fix on Dredd's location. Having said that, Patsy does have one of those 'quirky personalities' that our protagonist complains about later on in the episode!
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: broodblik 23 June, 2019, 06:38:55 PM
It is good looking cover and let me add Anderson Forever Young  :)
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: hippynumber1 23 June, 2019, 06:54:53 PM
I don’t think George Elliot wrote this week’s Judge Dredd. She died in 1880.

I believe I, Cosh’s point is that Kenneth Neimand is, most likely, a pseudonym, just like George Eliot.
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: Frank 23 June, 2019, 08:51:00 PM

EDITORIAL STAFF

Sidney Falco - Sub-editor Alan McKenzie, scripting Moonrunners
RE Wright - Editor Pat Mills subbing awful scripts by other writers
TMO - Editor or his sub, preserving the illusion of Tharg for young readers
Alan Smithee - Editor Dave Bishop heavily editing and/or rewriting Strontium Hoge
Sonny Steelgrave - Sub-editor John Tomlinson and/or editor Alan McKenzie writing Dredd, for reasons best known to themselves
Alvin Gaunt - Departed editor and sub-editor/former sub-editor Alan Grant, maybe to hide from IPC bosses but probably just to amuse themselves


FREELANCE WRITERS

Keef Ripey - John Wagner, trying not to spoil the surprise of The Dead Man
Rick Clark/Craig Lipp - Wagner & Grant, hiding the fact they were writing most of IPC's output
TB Grover - John Wagner, initially because he was still persona non grata at IPC after walking out on the dying Valiant


APOLLO C VERMOUTH

James 'Paul' McCartney - Moonlighting from The Fabs on Urban Spaceman with The Bonzos




Guys, I think it could be McCartney


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: athorist 23 June, 2019, 11:34:03 PM
I’ll be honest, I didn’t really understand what was going on with the previous Judge Anderson story (who’s Karen? - is she from the old stories but redrawn, or a newer character, I’ve read all the Psi-Files volumes and some of the later stories were like that too). Great cover though.

And while it’s a bit disappointing that next month’s Megazine is reprinting The Candidate, a (admittedly a few years old now) story I’ve read from the progs, if they reprint the next one after that, (the story before this one) I’m ok with reading it again to try and make sense of it.

But I think the new story’s looking ok at the moment, you only really need to know that Karen’s possessed, and it pretty much tells you. Looks like she didn’t put up any resistance because she knew the monster would attack, unless there’s more to it. I think up to that point we were supposed to expect Cassandra and Flowers were going to break her out

The Judge Dredd story looks interesting, I suppose it’s too much to expect Dredd to let the Samaritan off for saving his life, about the best outcome I’d expect is her being made to train as a psi-judge, which doesn’t seem likely at her age.

Seeing as I haven’t posted in the prog forum before, love Thistlebone, I think I convinced my non-prog-reading friend to get the book just from the Prog 2135 cover. The ten-page opening to establish a new story is a really great idea, really gave the story space. The only thing I found weird is how recent the Quilli sequel was, given the superficially similar subject matter.

I don’t really have much to say about Absolom, I’ve only read Terminal Diagnosis book 1, I’m waiting for Caballistics from the Ultimate Collection. Nice moment with the doppelgängers though

And Scarlet Traces is still strong, I find it hard to keep track of all the characters but it always makes sense in the end.
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: Link Prime 24 June, 2019, 12:54:13 PM

FREELANCE WRITERS

Keef Ripey - John Wagner, trying not to spoil the surprise of The Dead Man
Rick Clark/Craig Lipp - Wagner & Grant, hiding the fact they were writing most of IPC's output
TB Grover - John Wagner, initially because he was still persona non grata at IPC after walking out on the dying Valiant


Also;

G. Powell - Si Spurrier, with a Crispy surprise in The Vort.
Cal Hamilton - Dan Abnett, pinching our red noses.
Brian Skuter - John Wagner's 'Young Death' voice.

Has to be a couple more...
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: Jim_Campbell 24 June, 2019, 12:59:19 PM
Wasn't Helltrekkers by "F. Martin Candor", another Wagner/Grant pseudonym…?
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: Proudhuff 24 June, 2019, 01:35:48 PM
Cover: Not the kind of thing I like... mind you I've been mumping my gums about how Cass is portrayed since Jesus was a cowboy. at least we cant see her stilettos in this shot.

Damage Report: Harsh but fair reviews, On sale now... looks like the reason I stopped going to ComicCons, so TMO is on the button(nose) marketing to those bright young things

Dredd: spot-on excellent story and art, loving Judge Patsy more please from the Callme Kenneth droid.

Scarlet Traces, soo fecking good, cant wait for next week's instalment never mind glorious hardbound euro editions... unfortunately that security guard's Little Englander mindset are current and ascendancy and not crude cliched ciphers.

Thistlebone? Thistle do nicely! wonderful use of the SD avis droid's talents

Anderson: Enjoyable tale, but think it could almost do with a 'Spider sense tingling' sort of thing when the story uses her powers? anyone know if this is current in the Dreddverse or in the past? Can we resurrect the 'what age is Anderson' thread while I'm at it...

Absalom: another cracker, nice interplay between the demons and outstanding artwork.

Tharg yer playing a blinder  :D :thumbsup:
 


 
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: MumboJimbo 24 June, 2019, 01:40:26 PM
I don’t think George Elliot wrote this week’s Judge Dredd. She died in 1880.

I believe I, Cosh’s point is that Kenneth Neimand is, most likely, a pseudonym, just like George Eliot.

Yeah I got that, in fact I called it a "nom de plume" in my original post. Cosh's point was that George Eliot was a male pseudonym for a female writer. And the point of that was to pull me up on my original assumption that the person behind the Neimand name was a man. My point was to purposefully misunderstand him (or maybe Cosh is a her - Jesus I won't be making that mistake again) and pretend he was actually claiming that George Eliot actually is Neimand and wrote this week's Dredd. You know, as a joke.
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: Proudhuff 24 June, 2019, 01:45:53 PM
I can confirm that Cosh fights, drinks writes like a girl...
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: A.Cow 24 June, 2019, 02:03:10 PM
IMHO, given the quality of writing from-the-get-go, seems more likely that Neimand is an established author just trying to have fun without dragging 'name baggage' into it.  Suspects that spring to mind include Neil Gaiman, Jane Goldman, Graham Linehan or Russell T. Davies.
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: IndigoPrime 24 June, 2019, 02:26:59 PM
Graham Linehan? Er.

Niemand’s strips feel deeply entrenched in Dredd lore. It’s not surprising a few people have suggested this is Ewing in disguise. If it’s not a pen name, Tharg needs to lock Neimand in a cupboard until he’s written something like 500 Dredd scripts and inevitably gets swept away to USAville.
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: Fungus 24 June, 2019, 02:34:39 PM
Ideally Ken is real and is reading this tearing his hair out   ;)

My vote's for Al.
If it's Neil I'll give you the money meself.
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: sheridan 24 June, 2019, 02:39:24 PM
Cal Hamilton - Dan Abnett, pinching our red noses.


Was that the Malone story?
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: sheridan 24 June, 2019, 02:41:12 PM
Did anybody mention Mike Stott yet?
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: Jim_Campbell 24 June, 2019, 02:42:22 PM
Did anybody mention Mike Stott yet?

Is he Ken Niemand?
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: sheridan 24 June, 2019, 02:43:47 PM
List of names: Or P. Wildbeest. Rick Clark, W Gosmore, Steve Alan, Ben Haldean, Jack Adrian, TGBW Cribbling, Bill Henry, Jack Hamilton Tee, James R Montague...

Also Ian Holland wrote a few things for New Eagle.
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: sheridan 24 June, 2019, 02:45:23 PM
List of names: Or P. Wildbeest. Rick Clark, W Gosmore, Steve Alan, Ben Haldean, Jack Adrian, TGBW Cribbling, Bill Henry, Jack Hamilton Tee, James R Montague...

Also Ian Holland wrote a few things for New Eagle.

Sorry - missed that  Rick Clark had already been mentioned.
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: Proudhuff 24 June, 2019, 03:53:08 PM
Did anybody mention Mike Stott yet?

Is he Ken Niemand?

What about Ken Stott?
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: BPP 24 June, 2019, 06:10:31 PM
Ideally Ken is real and is reading this tearing his hair out   ;)

My vote's for Al.
If it's Neil I'll give you the money meself.

Ken certain does read this.
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: Dudley 24 June, 2019, 08:10:29 PM
List of names: Or P. Wildbeest. Rick Clark, W Gosmore, Steve Alan, Ben Haldean, Jack Adrian, TGBW Cribbling, Bill Henry, Jack Hamilton Tee, James R Montague...

Also `Legs' Larry Smith, drums
And Sam Spoons, rhythm pole
And Vernon Dudley Bohay-Nowell, bass guitar
And Neil Innes, piano.
Come in Rodney Slater on the saxophone
With Roger Ruskin Spear on tenor sax.
I, Vivian Stanshall, trumpet.
Say hello to big John Wayne, xylophone
And Robert Morley, guitar.
Billy Butlin, spoons.
And looking very relaxed, Adolf Hitler on vibes.
Nice!
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: Frank 24 June, 2019, 09:15:20 PM

(https://i.imgur.com/0sdVJjf.png)


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: hippynumber1 24 June, 2019, 09:47:53 PM
I don’t think George Elliot wrote this week’s Judge Dredd. She died in 1880.

I believe I, Cosh’s point is that Kenneth Neimand is, most likely, a pseudonym, just like George Eliot.

Yeah I got that, in fact I called it a "nom de plume" in my original post. Cosh's point was that George Eliot was a male pseudonym for a female writer. And the point of that was to pull me up on my original assumption that the person behind the Neimand name was a man. My point was to purposefully misunderstand him (or maybe Cosh is a her - Jesus I won't be making that mistake again) and pretend he was actually claiming that George Eliot actually is Neimand and wrote this week's Dredd. You know, as a joke.

I’ve been ill... A lot of things have been going over my head.
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: Tjm86 25 June, 2019, 05:14:49 AM

(https://i.imgur.com/0sdVJjf.png)

"I'm Kenneth Niemand and so is my wife!"
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: Jim_Campbell 25 June, 2019, 08:21:01 AM
"I'm Kenneth Niemand and so is my wife!"

In a very real sense, we’re all Ken Niemand now.
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: MumboJimbo 25 June, 2019, 09:59:11 AM
Maybe, like Dredd, he will never be unmasked. Oh, the delicious irony.
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: IndigoPrime 25 June, 2019, 10:10:23 AM
Sneak peek at next issue’s Dredd. It’s all gone a bit too in-jokey, sadly.

(http://craiggrannell.com/junk/niemand.jpg)
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: JayzusB.Christ 25 June, 2019, 02:17:40 PM
I'm lost. There's one boarder who I know is called Ken but I think I'm missing something.  I love Thistle one though.
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: JayzusB.Christ 25 June, 2019, 02:18:32 PM
I'm lost. There's one boarder who I know is called Ken but I think I'm missing something.  I love Thistlebone though; very much a Kill List vibe.
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: JayzusB.Christ 25 June, 2019, 02:21:17 PM
Quote instead of edit.  Bloody Beadlehands, I am.
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: Proudhuff 25 June, 2019, 04:56:27 PM
(http://cobraisland.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/mystery-character.jpg)
He's not the messiah, s/he's a very naughty droid!
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: Frank 25 June, 2019, 05:08:20 PM
I think I'm missing something.

Recent Dredd stories* have been credited to Kenneth Niemand, leading to speculation concerning the identity of the author.

The stories are well-written enough that the author is clearly not a newcomer to comics and the level of engagement with the concepts and themes at the heart of the strip suggest they're unlikely to be a first time Dredd writer either.

As demonstrated by the list of 2000ad pseudonyms above, the writers most likely to employ pen names are members of editorial staff wishing to conceal their connection to the publisher, but both Nerve Centre employees with scripting experience have stated they're not Niemand.

The list of writers who've scripted Dredd for 2000ad is still pretty short, and the Niemand stories published so far don't exhibit the stylistic tics or thematical concerns of any of them. Niemand's either an infrequent contributor or an established author switching to Southpaw.

One theory posits a former freelancer currently enjoying success in US comics, but I'm not sure I've ever read that particular author write anything as rank as Block Buds (https://i.imgur.com/NGmk4zZ.jpg) (2113-2114).  Fun exercise, though.

   
* And the one-off where Starlord (https://i.imgur.com/I0iJWKW.jpg)* was revealed to be recruiting pre-teen jihadis for his space war (2061, Dec 2017)
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: JayzusB.Christ 25 June, 2019, 10:55:18 PM
Cheers, Frank.  I remember thinking Dan Abnett was John Wagner for a short while - pre SinDex obviously but I can't remember what he wrote. I also thought Kek-W was Mark Millar.
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: Fungus 25 June, 2019, 11:08:55 PM
Dan Abnett does have one of those maybe-made-up names...

And I did think Jamie Delano was the then-ubiquitous Alan Moore. Pretty sure I read that somewhere, and just went along with it. Whatever happened to Delano anyway...?
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: Frank 25 June, 2019, 11:09:11 PM
I also thought Kek-W was Mark Millar.

Me too, for obvious reasons. I thought it was maybe a situation like Strontium Dogs, where the editor was rewriting the original scripts and Millar had asked to have his name removed.

Obviously, the Kek-W who shows up at signings is just an actor Millar pays to maintain the illusion, like Michael Caine in Without A Clue (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QicZ3R6qpE) or Remington Steele.


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: Jim_Campbell 25 June, 2019, 11:25:53 PM
Whatever happened to Delano anyway...?

Writes the occasional novel, probably banks some healthy DC/Warner royalty cheques since Moore got DC to split his share of Constantine royalties 50/50 between himself and Delano.
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: Trout 26 June, 2019, 01:18:02 AM
I loved every story in this comic. Thank you to everyone involved in making it.
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: broodblik 26 June, 2019, 03:36:04 AM
A good prog again this week.

A very good Dredd, good script (no comments on who is who and nobody cares), good art.

Scarlet Traces is something than needs to be re-read when it is complete. Very enjoyable.


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: I, Cosh 26 June, 2019, 10:29:25 AM
My point was to purposefully misunderstand him (or maybe Cosh is a her - Jesus I won't be making that mistake again) and pretend he was actually claiming that George Eliot actually is Neimand and wrote this week's Dredd. You know, as a joke.
I thought it was funny. I just didn't come back into the thread until I'd actually read the Prog. Which was decent.

Now that Margaret Atwood writes comics, I'd quite like to see her take on Dredd. Or Jeanette Winterson's ABC Warriors.
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: Frank 26 June, 2019, 11:05:19 AM
Now that Margaret Atwood writes comics, I'd quite like to see her take on Dredd. Or Jeanette Winterson's ABC Warriors.

Did I beat everyone else to the Joe Pineapples Are Not The Only Fruit gag? Boom.


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: MumboJimbo 26 June, 2019, 12:00:14 PM
Did I beat everyone else to the Joe Pineapples Are Not The Only Fruit gag? Boom.

Now that is good  :D
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: CalHab 26 June, 2019, 12:06:12 PM
Now that Margaret Atwood writes comics, I'd quite like to see her take on Dredd. Or Jeanette Winterson's ABC Warriors.

Did I beat everyone else to the Joe Pineapples Are Not The Only Fruit gag? Boom.

Alias Grice
Orlok and Crake
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: MacabreMagpie 26 June, 2019, 01:37:00 PM
Stunning artwork across the board in the prog currently.
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: Frank 26 June, 2019, 04:51:44 PM
Dredd seems far more comfortable bandaged-up in a hospital bed lately, rather than sitting on a lawmaster wielding a daystick.


Like all 80 year-olds, Dredd spends most of his time asleep or recovering from a bad fall:


(https://i.imgur.com/5TGsfpN.png)(https://i.imgur.com/DuSI7OY.png?2)
(https://i.imgur.com/RvFS7mN.png?1)(https://i.imgur.com/AMO6clq.png?2)
(https://i.imgur.com/MwbS1it.jpg?2)(https://i.imgur.com/KtuF3u3.png?2)
(https://i.imgur.com/Lvb0H2G.png?2)(https://i.imgur.com/Lmkcq1F.png?2)
(https://i.imgur.com/9h33d4Z.png?2)(https://i.imgur.com/biQ5cGi.png?2)


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: Judge Olde 26 June, 2019, 07:39:56 PM
Dredd seems far more comfortable bandaged-up in a hospital bed lately, rather than sitting on a lawmaster wielding a daystick.


Like all 80 year-olds, Dredd spends most of his time asleep or recovering from a bad fall:


(https://i.imgur.com/5TGsfpN.png)(https://i.imgur.com/DuSI7OY.png?2)
(https://i.imgur.com/RvFS7mN.png?1)(https://i.imgur.com/AMO6clq.png?2)
(https://i.imgur.com/MwbS1it.jpg?2)(https://i.imgur.com/KtuF3u3.png?2)
(https://i.imgur.com/Lvb0H2G.png?2)(https://i.imgur.com/Lmkcq1F.png?2)
(https://i.imgur.com/9h33d4Z.png?2)(https://i.imgur.com/biQ5cGi.png?2)

What prog was 'Fit' in please?
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: Frank 26 June, 2019, 07:47:15 PM
What prog was 'Fit' in please?

1873 (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=prog&page=profiles&choice=1873). It was an epilogue to the Titan storyline.


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: Geoff 26 June, 2019, 08:23:15 PM
Dredd seems far more comfortable bandaged-up in a hospital bed lately, rather than sitting on a lawmaster wielding a daystick.


Like all 80 year-olds, Dredd spends most of his time asleep or recovering from a bad fall:


(https://i.imgur.com/5TGsfpN.png)(https://i.imgur.com/DuSI7OY.png?2)
(https://i.imgur.com/RvFS7mN.png?1)(https://i.imgur.com/AMO6clq.png?2)
(https://i.imgur.com/MwbS1it.jpg?2)(https://i.imgur.com/KtuF3u3.png?2)
(https://i.imgur.com/Lvb0H2G.png?2)(https://i.imgur.com/Lmkcq1F.png?2)
(https://i.imgur.com/9h33d4Z.png?2)(https://i.imgur.com/biQ5cGi.png?2)

Perhaps the phrase on the cover is less about Anderson and actually advice directed at Dredd...
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: Frank 26 June, 2019, 08:31:20 PM

(https://i.imgur.com/cPQp7cf.png?2) (https://i.imgur.com/2CPNVEn.png?3) (https://i.imgur.com/gLRCa75.png?1)


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: athorist 27 June, 2019, 02:05:07 AM
I remember the Block Buddies one, because it seemed like a terrible story, but when they started fighting, it really brought me round.

Haven’t got any theories on Kenneth, if I had to guess I’d say Gaiman. Abnett’s maybe a good shout, if it was from a few months ago, when he had two strips in the prog (did it ever reach 3?)
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: norton canes 27 June, 2019, 09:31:19 AM
Yep - prog 2109 (https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/2000-ad/2018/PRG2109P)
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: norton canes 27 June, 2019, 10:44:20 AM
Recent Dredd stories have been credited to Kenneth Niemand, leading to speculation concerning the identity of the author.

The stories are well-written enough that the author is clearly not a newcomer to comics and the level of engagement with the concepts and themes at the heart of the strip suggest they're unlikely to be a first time Dredd writer either.

As demonstrated by the list of 2000ad pseudonyms above, the writers most likely to employ pen names are members of editorial staff wishing to conceal their connection to the publisher, but both Nerve Centre employees with scripting experience have stated they're not Niemand.

The list of writers who've scripted Dredd for 2000ad is still pretty short, and the Niemand stories published so far don't exhibit the stylistic tics or thematical concerns of any of them. Niemand's either an infrequent contributor or an established author switching to Southpaw


I'm calling Wagner.

Reasons:

1. It's such a darn good story (which doesn't preclude other droids of course, but if it wasn't any good you'd know it wasn't Wagner).

2. It's an important story. Obviously no idea how long it'll run but in terms of character development, I can see this being pivotal. In fact I almost get a sense of The Dead Man about it - it's an under-the-radar prologue to something bigger.

3. It features robot Judges. Yes, I know the mechs are featuring more often and yes, I know that Wagner doesn't exclusively write them now (vis. Rory McConville's 'Technophobes' the other week); but the way Patsy is first surprised that humans are unaware how sophisticated it is, then caught out by a lack of such sophistication in humans, leads me to suspect Wagner's hand.

4a. Wagner's History of pseudonyms
4b. Why would any other writer use a pseudonym?
Seriously, I don't know why any other droid would be scripting under a pen name. If it were an up-and-coming writer they'd be too keen for recognition to conceal their identity. And of it were a famous writer coming into the 2000 AD fold, Tharg would be proclaiming it from the rooftops.

For what it's worth, I think the use of the Niemand pseudonym for the Starlord story was a diversionary tactic.

5. Wagner's comment, mentioned upthread, that Dredd would end his days in a back alley shooting. Dredd himself even repeats that belief in this installment!


The point about stylistic tics is interesting, and got me thinking - how many stylistic tics from long-term Dredd writers would we actually recognize? The only instance that sprung immediately to mind was Rob Williams' use of convoluted and contrived wordplay for humour. Could we honestly make a list of active Dredd scribes along with notes on what to spot?

Regarding 'The Samaritan', so far there are only a couple of things I picked up. The plot has a procedural feel to it which is characteristic of many Wagner Dredds. And last week the title character used the exclamation "crap" - does Wagner usually swap this out for 'stomm' or suchlike?

Anyway, I am preparing myself to be thoroughly embarrassed when next week Tharg reveals the mysterious Mr Niemand to be none other than Boris Johnson. 
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: norton canes 27 June, 2019, 11:49:46 AM
"Yers, s'what I do in my spare tiiime... I make Judge Dredd stories from old boxes....."
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: norton canes 27 June, 2019, 12:14:13 PM
As for the rest of the prog...

Cover: Faultless. The guy who works in the W.H. Smiths where I collect my prog put it on the counter while the bloke in front of me was still putting his wallet back in his pocket. The bloke saw the cover and exclaimed "What's that?!". I think he thought he was being given some kind of pornographic freebie*.

Scarlet Traces: Soapbox-tastic! Invaders from the Red Planet who don't kill Tories... what's the Edgington droid trying to say?!

Thistlebone: It's not quite hitting the spot. Not yet.

Anderson: Pff... your guess is as good as mine...

Absalom: ...although to be honest, this got a bit mystifying on the double page with the time loop thing (?)


* Not that the cover is at all pornographic, far from it. But suggestive of such a publication. 
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: Proudhuff 27 June, 2019, 12:27:53 PM
4b. Why would any other writer use a pseudonym?
Seriously, I don't know why any other droid would be scripting under a pen name. If it were an up-and-coming writer they'd be too keen for recognition to conceal their identity. And of it were a famous writer coming into the 2000 AD fold, Tharg would be proclaiming it from the rooftops.

Or they could have baggage with a certain element of the readership?  Or not want to be seem to be hogging nearly entire issues of the prog to themselves?

how many stylistic tics from long-term Dredd writers would we actually recognize? The only instance that sprung immediately to mind was Rob Williams' use of convoluted and contrived wordplay for humour. Could we honestly make a list of active Dredd scribes along with notes on what to spot?

I think that would be an interesting game to play, someone would have to define 'stylistic tics' would that include the Car-Roll Droid's Emerald Isle focus? or the Grennie droid's hanging chads and Sino-Cit threat?
or would it just be their short-hand and troupes?
Also it might take us all back onto Tharg's Thin Ice List, just ask Cosh :-X
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: Proudhuff 27 June, 2019, 12:31:15 PM
Absalom: ...although to be honest, this got a bit mystifying on the double page with the time loop thing (?)

There are two demons each masquerading as the other team member, hence the demonic smiles to the other demon behind the humans back
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: norton canes 27 June, 2019, 02:12:34 PM
Ah, of course. Put the Rennie droid in charge of Doctor Who forthwith!
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: Richard 27 June, 2019, 03:20:55 PM
It's not Wagner. He had reasons for using pseudonyms on the previous occasions, but I can't see a reason now. And I don't think it reads like him. But I bet KN would be flattered to be mistaken for him!
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: broodblik 27 June, 2019, 03:40:46 PM
I agree with Richard that it is not Wagner. I thought it might be Matt Smith but I think someone defunct this as not true.
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: athorist 27 June, 2019, 05:29:08 PM
Another possibility is that it’s Matt Smith (Tharg or the former Doctor Who, either one). That would also make sense (if it’s Tharg) with the Starlord story, and if this is important continuity.
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: Jim_Campbell 27 June, 2019, 05:53:16 PM
Another possibility is that it’s Matt Smith (Tharg or the former Doctor Who, either one). That would also make sense (if it’s Tharg) with the Starlord story, and if this is important continuity.

As has been said before: there is literally no chance that the editor would be handing himself prime writing jobs on his own title under a pseudonym. That would be a thing unheard of since the dark days of Alan MacKenzie and the sheer outrage from the freelancers would make your average Pat Mills blog post look like a summary of The Archers.
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: JOE SOAP 27 June, 2019, 05:57:54 PM
Another possibility is that it’s Matt Smith (Tharg or the former Doctor Who, either one). That would also make sense (if it’s Tharg) with the Starlord story, and if this is important continuity.

Presuming the Dredd is a Matt SMith pseudonym (and why not - it has the pitch perfect ear for Dredd he has demostrated elsewhere)

Thanks, but Ken Niemand isn't me.


https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=45628.0
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: Frank 27 June, 2019, 08:22:37 PM
I'm calling Wagner.

1. It's such a darn good story

4b. Why would any other writer use a pseudonym

5. Wagner's comment, mentioned upthread, that Dredd would end his days in a back alley shooting.

I've never heard Wagner say that*

As I say above, Niemand's almost certainly an experienced Dredd writer. The answer to why they might not sign their work is probably answered by the suggestion that enjoying a story is evidence that it's ©John Wagner **

In a game of Dredd Writer Top Trumps, The Samaritan beats McConville on execution but loses to Ewing or Williams in terms of original ideas. I liked The Crazy's wee riff on Mafia and thought Starlord was funny, but neither fit the interests of Dredd's creator. ***


* Like Niemand's riff on the impossibility of organised crime in Megacity One (The Crazy, Meg 408), it's the kind of thing fans say on t'internet (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=43230.msg913823#msg913823).  Burdis mentioned the organised crime thing just a few weeks ago and I remember Stephen Watson, of Paisley, making a similar observation. We can probably discount the possibility that Tharg's so hard up he's started handing assignments to fans, although TordelBack has been quiet, lately.

** Writing a strip that's been so dominated by a single, beloved author for over forty years is a mug's game. For what it's worth, John Wagner's written more awful Dredd stories than anyone else. From The Satanist to the recent one where the Cal clones put Dredd on trial (again) there are a ton of stories where it's clear Big W doesn't know why he's writing this crap or what to do to get himself out of the hole he's digging. By the same token, he's written more fantastic Dredd stories than anyone else. Writing a character dominated by one author for over forty years is a mug's game.

*** In the interest of board harmony, I'd identify the signature features of Tharg's Finest (in only positive and anonymised terms) as a wonderful ability to reappropriate obscure and incidental details of golden age stories as springboards for superb new adventures; the fantastic tendency to conceive strips primarily as thematic sudoku puzzles; starting from a brilliant pun and backwards-engineering story and character to support that wordplay; and virtuoso bricolage construction of narrative from golden memories of genre fiction of yesteryear, where every character speaks in the faux-grandiloquent manner of a Hammer horror villain or Damon Runyon character. Which is great.
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: The Sherman Kid 28 June, 2019, 08:40:48 AM
Dredd Without entering the Kenny Who? debate (..oops  :think:) I would just say this is one of the best Dredd's I've read in a while with a script so sharp you could get paper cuts reading it.

Anderson Excellent cover -but inside the artwork is disappointingly cartoony (also unclear as to precisely going on) with a slightly muddled script.

Used to really look forward to Anderson, but it seems an age now since she has been in a story worthy of her character - she really needs a new meaningful long arc -rather than constantly chipping away at her with these forgettable  one off stories that seem to go nowhere
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: AlexF 28 June, 2019, 12:18:06 PM
I'm very much hoping that Kenneth Niemand is in fact Kenneth Niemand - it is a legit surname, even if it happens to mean 'no-one'. I don't believe a new writer has to be a tried and tested comics and/or Dredd scribe, just because s/he's producing very good quality work. For my money Messers Carroll and McConville came out of the gate with excellent 2000AD writing skillz. I suppose on that logic I should deduce that Mr Niemand is Irish...

Lots of great strips this week, but I'm stuck on the cover. On the one hand, it's the most gorgeous depiction of Cass Anderson perhaps ever (even taking into account some top level cheesecake from Bolland and Ewins), and I think it lands just the right side of objectification. And clearly it is catching the eye of potential new readers! But it still bugs me that the default drawing of Anderson shows her in her 20s. Pretty sure a 50s Anderson can be/is just as attractive, if that's the look Tharg wants to push.

I know there was that one story where Grant revealed that Anderson makes herself look younger (using wig and I guess makeup) to put perps off their guard, but this smacks of full-on youthfulness makeover, which doesn't seem very in-character for ol' Cass.
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: BPP 28 June, 2019, 02:58:26 PM
Comics 2019 - Male gaze is perfectly fine if it’s a female artist.

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: Frank 28 June, 2019, 07:57:22 PM
Why they might not sign their work is probably answered by the suggestion that enjoying a story is evidence that it's ©John Wagner

I'd like to see the writer's name not appearing on the Dredd strip, too. I reckon that's confuse most of the 'Wagner or nothing' agruements...



As I was typing that, I knew I could remember someone suggesting anonymising the Dredd credits.


Richmond Clements is an anagram of Kenneth Niemand.
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: sheridan 29 June, 2019, 01:20:15 AM
Another possibility is that it’s Matt Smith (Tharg or the former Doctor Who, either one). That would also make sense (if it’s Tharg) with the Starlord story, and if this is important continuity.

As has been said before: there is literally no chance that the editor would be handing himself prime writing jobs on his own title under a pseudonym. That would be a thing unheard of since the dark days of Alan MacKenzie and the sheer outrage from the freelancers would make your average Pat Mills blog post look like a summary of The Archers.


Today's Archers was pretty shocking - I'd thought the mystery of the last few weeks would have something to do with cheating and parentage, but then that was revealed.  First time I've heard a "if you are affected by issues raised" message at the end of the Archers!
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: Proudhuff 29 June, 2019, 11:14:34 AM
Today's Archers was pretty shocking - I'd thought the mystery of the last few weeks would have something to do with cheating and parentage, but then that was revealed.  First time I've heard a "if you are affected by issues raised" message at the end of the Archers!

I'd guess that what had happened after Jim's keyboard destruction! Heavy stuff but well played by the everyone involved, even Jazza  :-X
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: Colin YNWA 29 June, 2019, 06:38:28 PM
Well cos I messed up me Sub (card got stolen forgot to change details) I got a twofer today and what a delight its been. Not perfect, but then Progs so rarely are.

The cover is a little cheesecake for my tastes if expertly rendered.

Kenneth Neimand  continues to perplex folks here (I'm with Fungus as I've joked here before hope there's not some poor bloke called Kenny getting really dishearted by us all assuming its a pseudonym... but come on it is isn't it.) while he delights with  Dredd in  second part just continues 'The Samaritan' brilliant. Its beautifully rendered by Staz Johnson. I adore the exchange between Patsy and Rico.

Scarlet Traces does much the same it just brilliant and I think goes some way to explain (I think) why I'm not big on the art in Anderson. The colouring there just isn't working for me and the contrast between the two strips is significent!. Still the story is pretty good and I like this slow underthread that Beeby is weaving.

Thistlebone continues to playful drip out the tension. I've not read something like this since Cradlegrave. Okay that's a lazy comparison as this is clearly a different beast but the sense of atmosphere and off camera dread is palpable in both strips. This is turning into a bit of a classic.

Absalom likewise builds tension with craft all be it using more straightforward horror tools to do so. Brilliant stuff.

Overall a bit of a winning Prog.... now immediately to this weeks.

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: Richard 29 June, 2019, 07:36:38 PM
I wouldn't feel bad for Mr Niemand if I were you. If everyone thinks your name must be a pseudonym primarily because your work is too good to have been produced by a new writer, then that's a compliment.
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: JayzusB.Christ 29 June, 2019, 10:07:06 PM
got to act fast! I'm enjoying this Dredd a lot, although I'm not sure why the robo-judge thought clones would be psychically connected.

Well,  because they are.  It was how Dredd tracked down Kraken when he was first introduced.
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: Eamonn Clarke 30 June, 2019, 10:23:52 AM
Further mystery man musings now available on Twitter
https://twitter.com/KennethNiemand
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: Colin YNWA 30 June, 2019, 11:47:47 AM
Further mystery man musings now available on Twitter
https://twitter.com/KennethNiemand

Well now he's, she, they are just teasing us!
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: Blue Cactus 30 June, 2019, 07:09:46 PM
got to act fast! I'm enjoying this Dredd a lot, although I'm not sure why the robo-judge thought clones would be psychically connected.

Well,  because they are.  It was how Dredd tracked down Kraken when he was first introduced.

Succinctly put, ta!
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: MacabreMagpie 01 July, 2019, 09:09:52 AM
I really hope there’s an interview on the Thrillcast with Kenneth Niemand at some point and they change his voice like when someone who witnessed a crime is on the news.

(https://i.imgur.com/oYmQrEC.jpg)
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: Link Prime 01 July, 2019, 11:05:13 AM
they change his voice

But the accent...what about the accent?
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: james newell 01 July, 2019, 09:49:41 PM
did i miss something, what is Rico doing in this story, when was he reintroduced again as a character or another clone named Rico?
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: Eamonn Clarke 01 July, 2019, 09:56:01 PM
did i miss something, what is Rico doing in this story, when was he reintroduced again as a character or another clone named Rico?
There are at least three younger clones of Dredd currently active, Rico is a Judge, Dollman is a sort of lone agent with a face change, and there’s a female Cadet Paris.
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: Proudhuff 02 July, 2019, 02:18:39 AM
Cadet Paris... I’d totally forgot about her....
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: broodblik 02 July, 2019, 03:38:09 AM
did i miss something, what is Rico doing in this story, when was he reintroduced again as a character or another clone named Rico?

He is another clone was first introduced in prog 1186 in a story called Blood Cadets.
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: Steve Green 02 July, 2019, 09:44:40 AM
*Pedant's hat on* it was Dredd Angel.
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: JOE SOAP 02 July, 2019, 10:06:42 AM

It’s been mentioned there are 7 clones in the system.
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: Dark Jimbo 02 July, 2019, 10:10:46 AM
It’s been mentioned there are 7 clones in the system.

Yeah, but that oft-quoted mention was getting on for twenty years ago now. A fair few could have died; plenty more could have been grown.
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: Dandontdare 02 July, 2019, 11:20:29 AM
Re: KEN: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq-gYOrU8bA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq-gYOrU8bA)
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: Frank 02 July, 2019, 01:17:39 PM
did i miss something, what is Rico doing in this story, when was he reintroduced again as a character or another clone named Rico?

He is another clone was first introduced in prog 1186 in a story called Blood Cadets.

*Pedant's hat on* it was Dredd Angel.

It’s been mentioned there are 7 clones in the system.

It’s been mentioned there are 7 clones in the system.

Yeah, but that oft-quoted mention was getting on for twenty years ago now. A fair few could have died; plenty more could have been grown.


We all got beat up at school, didn't we.


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: Dark Jimbo 02 July, 2019, 02:49:00 PM
 :lol:
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: james newell 04 July, 2019, 11:09:01 AM
thanks Eamonn

must be time for a new brake out title "Dredd Family"

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/britishcomics/images/c/cd/Mmf1.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20131208141247)
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: sheridan 04 July, 2019, 09:08:14 PM
*Pedant's hat on* it was Dredd Angel.


Bravo!
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: Judge Olde 13 May, 2020, 04:34:44 PM
What prog was 'Fit' in please?

1873 (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=prog&page=profiles&choice=1873). It was an epilogue to the Titan storyline.

I've finally tracked it down today, thanks for the heads up :)