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Messages - Tony Angelino

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Off Topic / Re: The Political Thread
« on: 06 June, 2017, 09:22:08 pm »
A military occupation is something like Occupied France in WW2. It implies a foreign power taking over another country or similar. Some people take that view in relation to NI but in my lifetime, and about 50 years before it, NI has been part of the UK and it therefore wasn't a military occupation in 1969 or thereafter.

For various reasons the term doesn't sit well with me but if you guys want to use it go ahead as I don't think I'll be posting on here anymore.

I really didn't care if police or soldiers asked me my name or where I was going or had a look in my car boot as it was just part of life back then. People always mention the soldiers pointing guns at them but there were a lot more people killed by the terrorist groups than by the soldiers. 

You can go back in to British and Irish history (and ancient history) about NI and argue about who is right here and who isn't. Before anyone starts though I can 100% guarantee the argument will not be sorted out on this forum.

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Off Topic / Re: The Political Thread
« on: 06 June, 2017, 07:28:57 pm »
It was a military operation. It wasn't a military occupation as, since I was a kid, Northern Ireland has been part of the UK. Military occupation has a more contentious meaning.   


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Off Topic / Re: The Political Thread
« on: 06 June, 2017, 07:01:15 pm »
Northern Ireland

Is not an equivalence.  NI was a religiously and politically-polorised society under military occupation.
Although we're fine now.

An equivalence to what? I was making a point about police numbers.

I'm also not sure how you define "military occupation" but I don't think it is an appropriate phrase to use in respect of Northern Ireland.

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Film & TV / Re: Prison Break
« on: 06 June, 2017, 06:01:15 pm »
I'm way behind now and have about 5 episodes to watch.

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Off Topic / Re: Podcasts
« on: 06 June, 2017, 05:57:51 pm »
I think a new series of Soul Music started recently. It was about 6 months since the last episode.

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Off Topic / Re: The Political Thread
« on: 06 June, 2017, 05:30:39 pm »
I am, for example, still waiting for Tankie to give us the benefit of his anti-terrorism experience up a tower in his tank, and tell us how many policemen we can afford to lose before public safety is imperilled. I'm interested, because Manchester Police said that level was reached two years ago and Theresa May accused them of (and I'm not making this up) "scaremongering".

Jim. More police would be great but it's not just about police numbers.

Northern Ireland had a relatively small population (less than 2 million), the second largest police force in the UK and the resources of the British Army on the streets in the 70's, 80's and some of the 90's. Despite their best efforts they were unable to guarantee public safety from PIRA who continued a campaign of shooting and bombing throughout that time both at home, in the mainland UK and further afield.

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Off Topic / Re: The Political Thread
« on: 05 June, 2017, 09:33:46 pm »
MP talks about bolstering police numbers days before a terror attack caused by low police numbers and what we take away is that she fudged a zero.

Dandontdare this is the post where it was claimed police numbers caused a terror attack.

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Off Topic / Re: The Political Thread
« on: 05 June, 2017, 09:16:59 pm »
You don't think that having 20,000 less police officers means that police are less able to gather intelligence, less able to maintain a community presence, less able to investigate reports of suspicious behaviour? 

Never mind, we can always blame Facebook.

I agree with Old Tankie.

Of course if police had more officers they could do more but police numbers did not cause the recent terror attacks. The terrorists did. That's the point that is being made.

In Northern Ireland the RUC was the second largest police force in the UK (next to the Met) and was supported, throughout most of my life, by the British Army. It still couldn't stop everything the IRA and other proscribed groups did.

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Off Topic / Re: The Political Thread
« on: 05 June, 2017, 07:50:03 pm »
MP talks about bolstering police numbers days before a terror attack caused by low police numbers and what we take away is that she fudged a zero.

I think most people who listened to that interview with Diane Abbott thought it was much more than fudging a zero.  It was probably the worst interview I have ever heard a politician give.

I also don't agree that terror attacks are caused by low police numbers. 

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Off Topic / Re: The Political Thread
« on: 05 June, 2017, 06:23:05 pm »
Its the one from a few weeks ago. Apologies if you thought it was a new interview with Diane Abbott. I'm a bit behind the times so you've maybe already heard it or read the transcript.

http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrari/diane-abbotts-agonising-interview-over-policy-cost/


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General / Re: Things that went over your head...
« on: 05 June, 2017, 05:46:58 pm »
Kingdom doesn't work for me in that sense. Gene (the) Hackman, Paul Numan, Clara Bow etc. Too contrived for me personally.

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Off Topic / Re: The Political Thread
« on: 05 June, 2017, 05:00:44 pm »
Over police cuts.

Its worth listening to Nick Ferrari's interview with Diane Abbott though (if you haven't already) to hear Labour's view on policing. 

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General / Re: Things that went over your head...
« on: 05 June, 2017, 04:56:41 pm »
Or Laurel and Hardy.

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Games / Re: Last game played...
« on: 04 June, 2017, 11:48:09 pm »
Tales from the Borderlands by Telltale Games. Its on sale at present in the Xbox marketplace (£3 or £4). Really good. Helps if you are a fan of the Borderlands games but if you weren't this would probably make you go out and play those games.

Episode 2 has  a great opening/title credit scene.

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General / Re: Things that went over your head...
« on: 04 June, 2017, 11:12:36 pm »
I'm nearly 50 and only now thanks to the Forum do I get "Rogers & Hammerstein". Perhaps that's what happens when you grow up listening to The Clash and Joy Division...or I'm just a lot dimmer than I realize.

I think those are the best pun names in the history of the Prog. Really clever. I figured that one out very early on and I think it may have been down to seeing The Sound of Music on TV when I was quite young. The name Hammerstein in particular just stuck with me.

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