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Film & TV / Re: Black Mirror Season 4
« on: 21 January, 2018, 02:29:06 am »
But creating a digital copy of somebody which has that person’s memories and personality, from their DNA, is straight-up bad-science fiction. You could get away with it in Dr Who (in fact, they have: but still a bit silly) but in Black Mirror it just didn’t feel right.

That’s the thing about Black Mirror, it’s really more of a horror show than science fiction. It’s central premise of people and technology can result in bad things - emphasis on bad - is the one note it constantly hits but it’s very well made so the leaps it takes don’t really matter that much as long as it moves the story and the characters along to the next thrill, tense moment or revelation.

Megazine / Re: Meg 392 - Dredd vs Death
« on: 14 January, 2018, 02:09:42 pm »
It occurs to me that as this is planned on being the final Movie-verse strip, and as the TV series means the Movie-verse is not likely to be built upon any further, that this story could potentially have the Dark Judges end up winning and killing Dredd.

The idea of another creative team “killing Dredd” or “a Dredd” before Wagner & Ezquerra seems a bit perverse.

Film & TV / Re: Last movie watched...
« on: 13 January, 2018, 11:48:01 pm »
It's not a surprise we didn't hear a peep from the apesaga until (bizarrely) the year this film is set.

Battle... was followed-up by the live-action and cartoon TV series.

Announcements / Re: Judge Dredd: The Mega Collection discussion thread
« on: 11 January, 2018, 12:11:51 am »
Let's face it some of the stereotyping in general was a bit outdated.

Ireland was spot-on. I'm talking about Sláine.

Suggestions / Re: Dredd compared to The Punisher on Netflix
« on: 09 January, 2018, 11:33:35 pm »
You seemed to have missed the one big difference between the characters.

One is a vigilante and the other ... do I have to say it!!!

In audience terms this is the fundamental difference between the two.

Vigilantes are a staple of US culture: Batman and almost all superheroes and cowboys; Death Wish, Falling Down, Gran Torino, The Equaliser, Man on Fire, John Wick, to a certain degree Dirty Harry – and Liam Neeson.

US audiences especially have liked the heavy-handed lone crusader fighting socety's perceived ills but not always the man of authority wearing the badge and waving the big stick.

Film & TV / Re: Last movie watched...
« on: 08 January, 2018, 08:43:46 pm »
I agree.But is the truth about Weinstein stop me from rewatching Pulp Fiction?Not really.

He ain't the artist and you shouldn't need to pay for the film at this point so watch away.

I'll still watch Chinatown, The Fearless Vampire Killers, and Rosemary's Baby because they can't be unmade, it's the work of a collective of crafts-persons, not just one, and they're 'free'. I wouldn't support any new film by Polanski.

People like Cosby, Gadd or Savile were always unappealing, so no bother there.

Film & TV / Re: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
« on: 06 January, 2018, 04:37:40 pm »
Too many individuals have too much power, and script editors aren't powerful enough.

Although I do agree not having a strong script editor can be a problem, sometimes.

Film & TV / Re: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
« on: 06 January, 2018, 04:30:40 pm »
I'm just thinking about why it's written like it is
I'd wager at least part of this is down to diminished importance being given to the editing process. You see this throughout TV and movies these days in a manner that's much worse than even a decade ago, let alone several. Too many individuals have too much power, and script editors aren't powerful enough. Additionally, although you used to have drastic decisions made on the back of audience previews (Little Shop of Horrors being one of the most overt), the 'science' of modern-day responses mean algorithms and too much data can have a hugely adverse effect on a great many movies.

Not sure that's really the case with The Last Jedi. Just going by Rian Johnson's consistent line about creative autonomy in the script and what he could do in the edit, and the fact Lucasfilm don't hold public screenings for Star Wars films – I believe TLJ had been seen by less that 20 people before the premiere.

I'm sure a more conservative studio figure would've cut a lot of TLJ out.

Film & TV / Re: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
« on: 06 January, 2018, 02:16:05 pm »
I remember that Halo Jones was supposed to be 9 books. You'd think that if someone announced 9 books they're not averse to a plan! :) Although, a thought - isn't Halo Jones a decade older in each released book, teens, 20s, 30s? If you decided each book was going to be set in a different decade of her life, you could arrive at the 9 number without much of a plan at all. Maybe that's the real reason he's never come back to it, the last 2 or 3 books set in a retirement home would be a chore :D

According to Neil Gaiman it was worked out to a certain point and he at least had an ending:

It would have ended up with Halo Jones upon some planet that is right at the absolute edge of the universe where, beyond that, beyond some sort of spectacular lightshow, there is no space, no time, and it would have ended up with Halo Jones – all the rest of the people on this planetoid because, actually, time is not passing; you could stay there forever, potentially – and what would have happened is that Halo Jones, after spending some time with the rest of the immortals, would have tottered across the landing field, got into her spacecraft, and flown into the psychedelic lightshow, to finally get out. And that would have been the ending.


Apart from just the difficult process of writing there are varying degrees of pressures that are different between comics, novels and films. Pumping out a $200 million film every 2 years because the shareholders want their return is not the same as George RR Martin spending almost a decade on one book pleasing himself.

I'm not convinced there was zero plan or co-ordination in the Star Wars Sequels and yes it'd be easier to have a full outline beforehand but it doesn't mean it would be necessarily better. Personally, I believe going into the films Lucas had as much planned for the Prequels as he did the Originals but the execution and a change in the method of their making resulted in quite different outcomes.

From reports and statements by Lucasfilm, Carrie Fisher's death put the Sequels' conclusion into a tail-spin as both 8 + 9 were being written quite close together, ahead of time. You can at least imagine the themes and dynamics they were going for with concentrating on female characters and the relationship between Leia and Ben Solo being a pay-off to the Force Awakens, and to the themes of nurturing a wider, galaxy-spanning Rebellion fostered in The Last Jedi. A 'Force' Majeure –pun intended– demanded a drastic, from scratch, re-write of 9.

Film & TV / Re: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
« on: 04 January, 2018, 10:44:46 pm »
Lost is a good example of a show that really was just made up as it went, with no thought to where it was going, how the world really worked or how it should end. It was often unpredictable and amazing, but could also feel rudderless and messy, and that ending, my god.

That's the case with just about every longform TV show that's not an adaptation. The creator of Breaking Bad has talked about purposely writing the show into corners so they would need to work harder to make it work.

Film & TV / Re: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
« on: 04 January, 2018, 01:29:40 am »
Am I imagining it or was there an early story leak during preproduction of TFA that suggested that Luke had gone into exile as he had become so powerful with the force he could not contain it, and ultimately ended up inadvertently killing Han?

A Luke killing Han scuttlebutt was reported in late November 2014 after the film had finished shooting.

'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' Rumours: Han Solo Killed by Luke Skywalker?

"Luke Skywalker, bearded and fully fleshed, raising a GREEN lightsaber at Han, who in turn has his classic blaster pointed at him," Kyle of Star Wars 7 News noted. "Adam Driver stands, not so much beside Han, but more off to the side. The perspective almost makes Driver look like he is in the middle. Driver looks concerned, but not frightened, more like he is pondering his next move."

"The three of them are standing in what I guess is a cave or some partially natural environment. The ground beneath them is gravel or dirt. The walls are definitely rock," Kyle noted, adding that Luke resembles a crazy person.

Film & TV / Re: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
« on: 04 January, 2018, 01:00:19 am »
I think Johnson did the best he could with a bad setup, with one exception - having Luke even contemplate murdering a teenager in cold blood is - just did not sit right with me, and just felt like a rather hollow attempt to get us to sympathise with Kylo Ren.

Luke's dialogue during the last recall:

"I saw darkness. I sensed it building in him. I'd seen it in moments during his training. But then I looked inside, and it was beyond what I ever imagined. Snoke had already turned his heart. He would bring destruction, pain, death, and the end of everything I love because of what he will become. And for the briefest moment of pure instinct, I thought I could stop it. It passed like a fleeting shadow. And I was left with shame and with consequence. And the last thing I saw were the eyes of a frightened boy whose master had failed him."


In Luke's final version it's not a contemplated moment and not only about Ben but about Snoke as well. The intentional way his metal hand is shown to suddenly jerk with the saber in reflex, without him looking at it, underscores this. I saw this version of the scene more about empathising with Luke – he is Vader's son so a little bit of the dark-side is expected. For Luke it's a greater moral dilemma than killing Vader because Kylo has yet to become the same – but then of course he goes and kills Luke's students rather than just hurting Luke.

Film & TV / Re: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
« on: 03 January, 2018, 10:04:48 pm »
It seems like a lot of people dislike this movie purely because of its portrayal of Luke, which I don't really understand.

I don't agree or disagree with it but I understand the sentiment: a lot of people find the idea of their fictional hero dying a lonely death after several years of being a depressed former space-hippy far away from his best friends, abhorrent.* They want a craggier, more adjusted version of 23 year-old Luke from Return of the Jedi, which is fine, but is it going to be that interesting? Same goes for Han Solo.

it was pretty clear that decisions made in the writing of The Force Awakens had written the sequel into a corner regarding certain things, including Luke - ie that there was no real satisfying way of explaining his absence other than that he had ran away, and given up. It never even occurred to me that Luke having turned his back on the Force was supposed to be a twist or a 'subversion of expectations' in this one.

This might be the precarious path of nostlagia and inverted recycling they chose to go down with the Sequels but the basic Luke in seclusion story was never a problem, and it was the intended corner Lucasfilm wanted the story written into. It also happens to be George Lucas's idea.

Published in the 2 art books, the early Episode 7 pre-production concept art that Lucas had commissioned for his story treatment show a junk-planet urchin girl, known as Kira (renamed Rey), who goes searching for old Luke who's hidden in a temple on a mountain-top during a 30 year funk in which he's re-evaluating his life – Kira finds him, gets Jedi training, and helps him regain his faith. The villain – known as the Jedi-Killer – is an early version of what eventually became Ben Solo.

If you're going to do another full-on Luke story it's the best one to choose as enough time has elapsed for a certain amount of significant dramatic change to occur. Can he be stuck in a supporting role even as a force-ghost without too many fans complaining that it's a missed opportunity to finally show Luke 'da badass'? Wanting to go large with a demonstration of his force/lightsaber skillz doesn't appeal to me as a scene nor suit the character's more pacifist streak.

The scant knowledge gleaned from Lucas's commissioned concept art indicates he wanted the hermit-Luke story of The Last Jedi to be the crux of Episode 7 but it was Michael Arndt who preferred shoving Luke's story into Episode 8 – as is now well known his presence would dominate the story once he's introduced. I think Arndt was right but Abrams and Kasdan didn't fully follow-through with that looking for Luke theme and storyline, as it really only functions as a set-up and framing device in Episode 7.

In a wider sense, pre-requisites of making this sequel trilogy were that:

a) The Rebel victory at the end of Jedi has to be undone.
b) Luke has to be taken out or removed from the action somehow - it was either this or have him dead before the film began (which would have been my preference).

To me the end of Jedi is not undone – they still won – but the Sequels have put it into a bigger story and context. Unfortunately, as with the set-up of Luke in 7, the context and nature of the antagonism isn't developed enough to support the idea of what-the-fuck happened since Jedi? This could easily have been rectified.

*Reluctantly, it behooves me to refer to Star Wars and The Hero's Journey since I've read a few fans citing it as proof that The Last Jedi's 'subversion' of Luke's character negates the culmination of his hero journey in the OT; they need to actually read it or are missing the Rescue from Without section from their crib-sheet.

General / Re: John Wagner and Carlos Ezquerra have this coming our way
« on: 01 January, 2018, 11:37:30 pm »

I presume 1977/1978 as it makes sense that a character called Sam Street was pitched to 2000AD before Sam Slade.

General / Re: John Wagner and Carlos Ezquerra have this coming our way
« on: 01 January, 2018, 10:55:09 pm »
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