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Announcements / Re: 2000 AD unveils its graphic novels for 2020
« on: 15 January, 2020, 08:00:09 pm »
Is it too much to hope for a recoloured America II (if such a thing is even possible?).

Maybe ... someday ... but going by the page count America II and Cadet are not likely to be in this collection.

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Film & TV / Re: Star Wars Episode IX
« on: 14 January, 2020, 04:59:24 am »
Robert Meyer Burnett gives a detailed summary of the alleged Colin Trevorrow & Derek Connolly Episode IX script, featuring old Lucas-lore like Chewie in an X-Wing.

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Off Topic / Re: Y'know what really grinds my gears?
« on: 13 January, 2020, 12:25:32 am »
Same alt-shite network of weirdoes that's operating in other European countries. They have little traction here and even Sinn Féin knew they had to ditch the anti-EU stance since it's poilitical seppuku.

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Film & TV / Re: Star Wars Episode IX
« on: 11 January, 2020, 12:05:13 am »
Zemeckis, Spielberg and Howard were all approached but declined. At the time other possibles I suppose were Peter Jackson, Kenneth Branagh, Joe Johnston – probably the only one who'd realistically do it.


Darabont was of course asked would he be interested in writing The Phantom Menace: his answer gives another reason why others may not have been so keen on collaboration:

George Lucas approached me with the idea of my performing writing services on 'Phantom Menace.' (Please note that I'm being very specific and accurate when I say 'writing' services. At no time was there any discussion of my directing, because George was 'always' going to be the director of the film.) My agent, Robert Stein, contacted a British attorney representing George to see if a deal for my writing services could be negotiated. It was during this round of phone conversations that George's attorney made us aware that Lucasfilm did not intend to become a WGA signatory on the project. In other words, it was a non-guild job.

After realizing that George was not going to budge on this issue, my agent and I regretfully broke off further negotiations. I called George personally to explain my reasons. He, in turn, explained his. It is no secret that George has a long-standing enmity with both the WGA and DGA, which is why he renounced his membership in those guilds years ago, and why he now doesn't wish to become a signatory. I told him I understood that his feelings were deeply rooted, but that he couldn't expect me to take sides against my own guild for the sake of a writing assignment. He understood my position, we agreed my involvment on 'Phantom Menace' was not meant to be, and we parted friends. It's that simple.


http://www.theforce.net/episode1/story/Frank_Darabont_Refutes_TPM_Rumors_75332.asp

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Film & TV / Re: Star Wars Episode IX
« on: 10 January, 2020, 07:59:06 pm »
David Fincher would have been a good shout - didn't he get his start on Jedi?

https://youtu.be/HQRcnQD-tHM?t=404

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Film & TV / Re: Star Wars Episode IX
« on: 10 January, 2020, 03:24:00 pm »
The excision of the Ben/Owen sibling relationship doesn't bother me too much, as it really only appears in Kahn's so-so novelisation, but as I've said many, many times before, the single worst ret-con in the extensive catalogue of Star Wars ret-cons is Padme's death. That it directly contradicts one of the most powerful scenes in Return of the Jedi is just a railing-less bridge too far: and all for the most laughable, illogical scene in a movie replete with them.  As they say on Twitter, don't @CertainPointOfView me, that's too much head-canon gymnastics even for me.

It also killed the potential for more stories, even the possibility of stretching to Sequel era potential, but George wanted his tragedy and for the mother’s death to ‘rhyme’ with Anakin’s in ROTJ.

The game of twister I usually see is that Leia remembers her mother she never met through the force, but somehow Luke can’t.

I do prefer the idea of Vader’s origins offering different possibilities to Luke’s and Tatooine not being part of the story until Episode IV.

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Film & TV / Re: Star Wars Episode IX
« on: 10 January, 2020, 01:47:53 pm »

Quote from: JOE SOAP
In A New Hope it’s Luke turning off the machinery of the X-Wing’s guidance-system and ‘letting go’ of his feelings that lands the shot. In Empire, doing the opposite and impulsively going on the offensive against Vader results in Luke losing his hand and gaining a permanent prosthetic warning; and in Jedi, withdrawing his lightsaber —circling back to Kenobi in the docking bay— leads to Luke winning over his father.

And absolutely all this.  You can extend this leitmotif into Last Jedi if you like, but alas no further.

Indeed.

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Film & TV / Re: Star Wars Episode IX
« on: 10 January, 2020, 01:22:22 pm »
Though hiding Luke Skywalker in a home that Anakin Skywalker had been to before the fall to the darkside is also pretty stupid (though has been pointed out many, many times).

Using the name 'Skywalker' rather than that of his adoptive parents probably wasn't the cleverest thing to do when you're hiding a child from its now-evil father…

This wasn't always so much of a howler. Up until the late 1990s when The Phantom Menace was being prepped it was still the accepted 'canon' in published Lucasfilm material that Uncle Owen and Kenobi were brothers and the farm was their family homestead, which makes more sense and implies Anakin was not from Tatooine at all. This lengthy exposition was still included in scripts for Return of the Jedi less than a month before shooting began:




The Kenobi/Owen/Tatooine backstory was apparently something that came out of conversations between George Lucas and Return of the Kedi novelist James Kahn – as he later related to Star Wars Insider:

The novel mentions that Obi-Wan and Uncle Owen were brothers. Where did that come from?

It came out of a conversation I had with George early in the process. I asked him how Luke came to be living with Owen and Beru, with Obi-Wan just coincidentally living in the nearby desert. George shrugged and said it related to the backstory, but did I have something in mind? I said I thought the interaction at the kitchen table in Episode IV, when Uncle Owen snaps at Luke about staying away from that crazy old hermit, sounded to me like an old family fight – like old brothers refer to each other in those decades-long sibling rivalries. I thought there was a big blow-up when they were kids, and Obi-Wan ran off to be a Jedi, and Owen never forgave him for not staying on the farm, and thereby breaking their father's heart. Then, years later, Obi-Wan came back with baby Luke in tow, and prevailed on Owen out of old loyalties to adopt the boy, and Owen was reluctant, but probably Aunt Beau said they should do it, and then Obi-Wan settled down nearby to kind of keep an eye on Luke from afar. And George said that sounded about right.

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Film & TV / Re: Star Wars Episode IX
« on: 10 January, 2020, 08:38:35 am »
... the proposed original ending of RotJ had Obi-Wan (and Yoda) physically intervene in the final fight with Palpatine. This was (luckily) nerfed, and the ould lad tells Luke he can't get involved for unspecified reasons (of... balance)?

Nowadays we tend to view Obi-Wan's 'Strike me down and I'll become more powerful than ....' line as more metaphorical, an inspiration for Luke and a way of ensuring enmity for his father, but it may well originally have been intended to be an actual threat - and one that finds expression in JJ's raiding of Lucas' notes for TRoS, in the very McQuarrie throne room that it was supposed to have played out in.

Thankfully the idea of an intervention by resurrected force-ghosts against the Emperor was ditched in favor of keeping the conflict Luke-centric because it’s in the realisation of the metaphorical in Kenobi’s surrender to the force that Star Wars becomes truly lyrical (not the karaoke of later efforts) and pays-off several times for the throughline of the story: 

In A New Hope it’s Luke turning off the machinery of the X-Wing’s guidance-system and ‘letting go’ of his feelings that lands the shot. In Empire, doing the opposite and impulsively going on the offensive against Vader results in Luke losing his hand and gaining a permanent prosthetic warning; and in Jedi, withdrawing his lightsaber —circling back to Kenobi in the docking bay— leads to Luke winning over his father.

 

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Film & TV / Re: Star Wars Episode IX
« on: 06 January, 2020, 09:11:53 am »
Apparently he could have healed Padme after he choked her...

It’s somewhat implied that the bond (Dyad plot magic) between Rey and Kylo makes them different: ability to make contact with, passing objects/energy to, each other through the force. Might not work anymore now one of them’s dead — although the healing ability has also appeared in the EU, the canon Clone Wars cartoons with Darth Maul’s ‘rehab’, and recently demonstrated in The Mandalorian.

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Film & TV / Re: Star Wars Episode IX
« on: 28 December, 2019, 07:29:53 pm »

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Film & TV / Re: Star Wars Episode IX
« on: 28 December, 2019, 07:27:39 pm »
I know it wasn't the intent, but I choose to believe that this was Han's medal, that she was passing on.

It was, wasn't it?

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Film & TV / Re: Star Wars Episode IX
« on: 25 December, 2019, 05:10:29 am »
I think the ultimate problem with the prequels is that they have to lead into that (so don't get to tell their own story)

Instead of using the same characters from the OT (whose story had already been told) they could’ve told their own story if they’d gone with a new set of central characters we know nothing about during the era of the political coup.

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Film & TV / Re: Star Wars Episode IX
« on: 25 December, 2019, 01:37:40 am »
They couldn’t have made Finn’s ‘Leia moment in the Falcon’ more obvious as the awakenings continue.

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