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General / Re: SHORT STORY RESULTS! - Out of This World
« on: Today at 12:18:37 pm »
Thank you all for your votes and for such stiff and enjoyable competition, I really do love reading all the entries and being amongst such talented and generous competition.

Thanks also to BCB for his tireless dedication to the cause and of course to Tharg and Rebellion for their wonderful support.

Off Topic / Re: Threadjacking!
« on: 21 June, 2018, 12:26:38 pm »
I just found a wasps' nest. Thought I'd been nettled until I took off my glove and found it full of irritated wasps. Ow, ow, ow, ow, OW!

Off Topic / Re: The Political Thread
« on: 21 June, 2018, 06:26:57 am »
So it's fair to criticise Brexit but unfair to criticise democracy?

If I want to trade or interact with somebody on a lawful level, no matter where they happen to live, why do I need permission from above?

What if what I want isn't offered by any candidate or party, such as withdrawing troops and such from involvement with America's wars of aggression? A million people marched to prevent our involvement and all they got was sore feet.
 John from the pub is as qualified as anyone to run the country (that is, not at all) but knows much better what's best for himself and his family. One person who wins a popularity contest is in no way qualified to represent half a million strangers, each one with their own unique beliefs and circumstances - most of whom likely didn't vote for that person anyway. It's like me telling you, a person I don't know, that you must abide by my rules or I'll hurt you. I respect your rights too much to do that, or to vote for somebody who'll do it for me. It's your life; so long as you're not harming anybody, what possible business is it of mine or anyone else's?

The people we vote for generally don't know how to run an economy (even assuming that an economy needs to be run), they only know how to get elected.

To bitch and moan means to complain and moan, not that people are bitches. Apologies if that was unclear.

That politicians lie to get elected is no excuse for electing them (and also not a new concept), especially not in the Internet Age where we can check our own facts.

Off Topic / Re: The Political Thread
« on: 20 June, 2018, 08:01:39 pm »

I think you'd be right if this idea was implemented too soon and on its own. We're all too used to not trusting one another, unfortunately. That attitude, in my view, simply has to change and not just on this issue. It's an attitude the state encourages.

First there has to be a revolution of the mind because that's the only kind of revolution that's worth anything. We can all see that the current system isn't working - people laud democracy out of one side of their mouths and condemn the actions of the rulers out of the other. In my experience, people only support democracy when it throws up results they agree with. Take Brexit as a prime example; there was a sacred democratic referendum and, because the result didn't go the way people wanted, they bitch and whine and oppose the result instead of honouring the democratic system they claim to believe in so deeply. Same with Trump's election, he won out in a system believed in and supported by so many and yet his victory is seen as a huge, some would say catastrophic, mistake - so much so that there are rumblings about US Civil War II all over Facebook. Democracy only works for people if they get what they want out of it. It's no wonder people don't trust one another under these conditions.

The first step (on a long road) is to look impartially at what we've got and identify why it isn't working. As you know, my opinion is that the core problem is too much state power. If my opinion is correct, which I think it is, the second step is to think and talk about it, to further the conversation and devise non-violent solutions to all manner of problems, the NHS being one of the most important. If democracy has taught us anything it's that solutions imposed from the top down don't work for everybody, or even the majority. We need a better way.

Voluntary contributions won't work in the current climate with the current mindset but societies change and what's true today won't necessarily be true in fifty or a hundred years. Sadly, it's probably too late for old farts like me to ever see a better system but, by God, I'd rather talk about it now so that the coming generations can at least be made aware that there are alternatives than just keep quiet because that's the easier option.

And believe me, keeping quiet is the easier option. I personally have been threatened and verbally abused by otherwise quite level-headed people for daring to suggest that Sacred Democracy is a hollow sham. It's like standing up in a church and denying the existence of God. Even posting in this thread has attracted replies that made me feel physically ill, caused me sleepless nights and driven me almost to tears. But so what? I can't say that I didn't sometimes deserve it as my fervour overshadowed my good sense and my proselytising was offensive and unbending. I hope I have learned enough to make my points in more acceptable ways over the years and that I'm less insulting these days.

But that's all just "poor me" whining bullsh*t and not relevant. What is relevant is that I still believe and that you are willing to entertain my rants without accepting them - which a wiser man than I once pointed to as the mark of a good mind.

And finally, in confusion, I would like to say, um, er... What was the question again?

Off Topic / Re: The Political Thread
« on: 20 June, 2018, 05:39:40 pm »
I tend to agree. I posted that for clarity as I think I might have given the impression that the victim's family would act as judge, jury and executioner.

Off Topic / Re: The Political Thread
« on: 20 June, 2018, 10:44:37 am »
Don't we always?

Off Topic / Re: The Political Thread
« on: 20 June, 2018, 10:15:03 am »
I choose the option from Monty Python's Meaning of Life...

Off Topic / Re: born this day
« on: 20 June, 2018, 10:12:34 am »


Off Topic / Re: The Political Thread
« on: 20 June, 2018, 07:19:58 am »
The idea, as I understand it, is that a court determines what happened and renders a verdict. A range of suitable punishments is offered and it's up to the victim's family to decide which is imposed. Only in the case of deliberate, premeditated murder would the death penalty be on the table.

Off Topic / Re: born this day
« on: 20 June, 2018, 05:55:46 am »
All I can say is that there were, um, jungle-ish elements...

Anyhoo, Nicole Kidman is 50 today.

Off Topic / Re: born this day
« on: 19 June, 2018, 09:16:46 pm »
Zoe Saldana, 39.

Interesting what engages the mind at 7:04am...

I, er, had a dream...

Off Topic / Re: The Political Thread
« on: 19 June, 2018, 05:54:35 pm »
I'm inclined to agree with Tordels on this, but just to play Devil's advocate for a...

Bollocks to it. I've had a long, hard day; my back is aching, my blisters are burning, my muscles seem to have dribbled away and I want me tea. Just pretend I shouted something about Kahless the Unforgettable while slicing my own palm open with a d'k tahg and let me fall asleep in me chair.

Off Topic / Re: The Political Thread
« on: 19 June, 2018, 02:59:53 pm »
The death penalty is a good one for debate. It was the state that imposed it and removing its own "right" to execute people is one of the better things our state has done. (Although it still reserves the "right" to bomb people and call it war.)

There is debate even in libertarian circles over this. Some think that nobody has the right to take a human life in retribution and some think that it should be up to the victim's family to decide on "an eye for an eye" basis. I don't find either side wholly convincing but lean towards the former. In the latter case, at least the state is denied the right to decide and the victim's family has the right to choose the murderer's punishment, from compensation through incarceration to the ultimate sanction.

As Tordels says, this kind of thing rests on human morality, which is notoriously difficult to legislate. A good place to begin infusing morality into society is, I believe, the Golden Rule - but even this gives no clear-cut answer to the question of execution

What does the hive mind think about this?

Off Topic / Re: The Political Thread
« on: 19 June, 2018, 12:14:24 pm »

There are people who approve of female genital mutilation, persecution of anyone different and execution. Their approval does not make any of these things legitimate.

Off Topic / Re: born this day
« on: 19 June, 2018, 07:04:19 am »

Zoe Saldana, 39.

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