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Messages - Colin YNWA

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Books & Comics / Re: Daredevil fans in the house?
« on: 16 August, 2018, 09:48:13 pm »
Once again I've been ignoring the woes of Matt Murdock BUT finally got around to a long time coming re-re-re-re-re-read of Frank Miller and Klaus Janson's run (well up to the end of the Angel Dust arc at least).

Anyway I thought I'd been pretty down on that run in this thread on a number of occasions and the last couple of times I've read it I don't think its held up too well and hasn't aged as well as the Nocenti run a few years later. Well that still holds but this time, reading my digital copies for the first time, I actually think it hold up better than I remember.

Firstly its still visually as stunning as ever and Miller greatly enhanched by Janson's perfect noir inks does some stunning, simply stunning work. Its visually inventive and the storytelling is second to none. The Eisner influences are many fold and clear, but if you are going to wear your influences so clearly on your sleeves you could choice a lot wore.

Storywise it is more creaky and while its still nicely plotted, dramatic and exciting it suffers from having so much influence on works that have been able to build on what its done, but learning and able to aim at an older more developed audience. It can feel hocky at time... but a good kinda hocky.

So yes I'm very pleased I've read this again. Will be picking up the bits I'm missing and over all hold up better this time than it has on recent re-reads.

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Welcome to the board / Re: Reader since prog 7
« on: 16 August, 2018, 12:57:58 pm »
Welcome aboard

Be interesting to hear what stories have pulled you back recently.

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Books & Comics / Re: Scream & Misty Special 2018
« on: 15 August, 2018, 09:12:41 pm »
Whose done that cover its fantastic!

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General / Re: Pat Mills Doctor Who Strips To Be Adapted For Audio
« on: 14 August, 2018, 09:25:21 pm »
Does seem a curious omission.

Anyway those sure as heck make damned fine COMICS.Not at all sure what an audio adaptation would being to the party. But then if folks enjoy um (correctly credited that is) then all good I guess.

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General / Re: Stories that should be collected
« on: 14 August, 2018, 09:23:20 pm »
Also being immersed in the 2000ad's 16th year as I currently am in my re-read its fair to say what is demned as cool and worth while to the editorial team of that time might not hold too much credance today!

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Off Topic / Re: Strange Dreams (or, an odd Revere-ie)
« on: 14 August, 2018, 08:19:14 am »
Maybe you shouldn't be watching this before bedtime!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CwB_4-QFnmM

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Other Reviews / Re: The completely self absorbed 2000ad re-read thread
« on: 13 August, 2018, 06:10:58 pm »
Do both. Publication order first to maintain that Prog slog feel. Then the intended order to get the story as it was meant to be.

Well heart of hearts I always figured I'd end up doing that! It is the kinda thrill once you finish you just want to start again.

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Prog / Re: Thrill-Coma 2010
« on: 12 August, 2018, 06:14:46 pm »
Lenny Zero was a pretty weak series and while the love gas caused quite a fuss I was always happy with the removal of inhibitions leaving Judges particularly open exercising years of sexual frustration hence the consentual (with the stimuli) sex.

Anyway of more note to me the end game Red Seas is really played well.

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Other Reviews / Re: The completely self absorbed 2000ad re-read thread
« on: 12 August, 2018, 06:09:06 pm »
it's the journey that makes the tale.

Tordelback's impassioned and poetic argument has swung my vote.  You must read it in the order originally published in order to maintain your credibility.

That would suggest I have any credibility to start with. Which frankly is a bit of a stretch!

Anyway nothing quite like full internet access when in the lakes to remind you camping is a very different beast than it was in 1993!

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Other Reviews / Re: The completely self absorbed 2000ad re-read thread
« on: 11 August, 2018, 09:25:03 pm »
Look I'm off on me holidays for a week can you chaps kindly reach a consenus by the time I get back. Otherwise we'll have to rely on me coming to a sensible decision we really don't want that to happen do we...

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Other Reviews / Re: The completely self absorbed 2000ad re-read thread
« on: 11 August, 2018, 07:43:16 am »
Garth Ennis has said similar (in line with common wisdom, he did some good stuff, some intermediate stuff and some mediocre stuff).

One thing I'm noticing more about Ennis this time is he seems interested in creating tough, credible villians to fight Dredd, then he cranks a story around them as best he can. We're just had Jonni Kissyface introduced and in Prog 832 we get the hard Scotsman with his killer bagpipes*. Previously we've had Musical Killer Chappie, The Raider, that pair of hitmen whose names I can't remembr... that's just the ones that spring to mind. The trouble is this leads to quite dull repeatative stories that ultimately rung hollow.

Introduce the baddie by having them do something hard and killie. Set up their motive with flashback. Have their motive interconnect with Dredd. Have  them fight Dredd. Dredd, though knackered, wins. Rinse wash repeat. Its just not a great method for coming up with Dredds and its something Ennis seems to fall back on quite a lot.

Anyway if you've got this far I have a question for you. I've just read Prog 833 and next Prog is the Firekind episode mix up (I think - his filter mask has just broken). Now this re-read I'm being good and reading things as they appear in the Prog so my question to you is.

Should I read Firekind as printed, error and all?

The purist in me wants to BUT I adore Firekind and who knows when I'll read it again, so why read it all wonky knowing its not going to take much effort to read it properly like. I'm conflicted...

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General / Re: Stories that should be collected
« on: 10 August, 2018, 05:34:47 pm »
Didn't realise Family and XTNCT were in there. That's a fine collection!

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General / Re: Stories that should be collected
« on: 10 August, 2018, 04:47:40 pm »
I always wonder why the shorter collections aren't combined or paired up. So say Firekind with Leatherjack or some such. Shadows with The Dead. Or you could mix it up and do a 'Flip' collection and get Shadows in with Firekind. Now that would be some read.

I'm guessing that odds and sods trade which had Tribal Memories and the first Universal Soldier didn't do too well as it's never been followed up.

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Other Reviews / Re: The completely self absorbed 2000ad re-read thread
« on: 10 August, 2018, 06:42:12 am »
Well at least he's self aware!

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Other Reviews / Re: The completely self absorbed 2000ad re-read thread
« on: 09 August, 2018, 10:11:41 pm »
Prog 829

Now I accept I've been a bit whiney of late. Ohh this isn't so good. That story was a bit rubbish. Gosh why are the heroes so shouty and twaty... PPPPPOOOOOOOOOOO! I know, I know... I'm sorry I try to focus in the good stuff, but you have to be balanced and honest otherwise saying stuff is good loses its meaning and value...

Then we get to Prog 829 and WAYHEY one of the great Progs... just superb... well okay two of the thrills aren't all that and one is a recap.... but the good stuff is SO good.

Firekind I've waxed lyrical about before, but that opening part is just a masterclass. The purple prose of the first page as our hero travels to his destination all lyrical delight and evocation. Then was our traveller materialises DRAGON IN YOUR FACE.

Seriously it could have been just these two pages and it'd have been one of the all time great openings but no the dragon soars and worlds start to be built with craft and guile... oh my gooey comic juices are just bubbling to pressures they have never been thrust to before and we're only 6 pages into this comics beauty.

Kano ... well all you folks that think Kano doesn't have a place amongst Bad Company I say YOU FOOLS... you fools... you fools. It makes me sad this thrill isn't hailed as an absolute classic on a par with its forebears and set out the themes and reason to love it right from the off. Just like the original it takes a trope, in this case the war veteran trying, but (spoilers) failing to deal with normal civilian life. He won't escape his past, literally and he will question the monster he has become.... its glorious, glorious...

... you fools...

Armoured Gideon is pretty good, Dredd is weak and Kelly's Eye is kinda okay.

But those first two I rub them all over my slightly greasey naked body and wait for the moment to arrive.

Oh Mark Millar's first Dredd next Prog... I've gone all flacid again...

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