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Off Topic / Re: Opinions are like arseholes…
« on: 20 August, 2010, 06:47:44 PM »
But calling people names because they don't agree is rude. this is especially true if one is stating that forums are places of discussion and debate because there are rules for discussion and debate which turn it in to an art form and unless you are trying to follow those rules your just arguing badly or even bullying.

Yeah, but after you're done with the attempts at rational discourse, calling a dick a dick is sometimes necessary too.  It's seldom about disagreement, which implies some sort of coherent but opposed position, it's usually about gross ignorance.  I'm all for politeness, it's essential to a pleasant society, but carte blanche to continue being a knob is taking it too far.  As some Burke once said, all that is necessary for dickery to triumph is that cranky goths do nothing.    And exposing a dick is fun.*
(*note: may be illegal in several jurisdicktions).

If I call some one a name like a dick (barring my closest friends) then I am being rude. I take the responsibility for my actions by admitting that fact and either apologizing or stating that I do not care and further stating they can Foxtrot Oscar See You Next Tuesday. I would not pretend I was engaged in debate or discussion so its OK.

I am not saying that I have not made mistakes myself, sometimes on this board, but I have learnt from them and attempted to modify my behavior accordingly. And I certainly do not hide behind excuses such as I used to post online back in the day when things where different so it is ok. That is shirking responsibility for your own actions which is poor behavior online or off line.


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Off Topic / Re: Opinions are like arseholes…
« on: 20 August, 2010, 05:59:03 PM »
True but all of these generic insults don't help nail down the specifics of why you think the person is behhaving poorly. People's definition of what constitues being a dick, a fud or a fanny can vary wildly.  What is key for you, isn't necessarilly key for them,

Saying "X is being a dick" doesn't help anyone. Saying "You've failed to back up a signgle one of your assertions.  You have taken one solitary story and extrapolated that as a template for all others in the series even though, those other stories do not fit that template.  You are asserting that a fans understanding of a story is more important than the creator's vision" all may help.

(TBF, I think you/Jim/everybody probably did say all of those things and the "dick" thing was just a little bit of "oh well, we tried").

It's the same argument we use for critizing the creators; saying "This art is shit" is no good but saying "This art had unclear story telling and ignored the basic rules of anatomy and perspective" could lead the person to improve/change.

What Tip said.

If you get to an impasse then stop arguing. you may have a million valid points but if some one does not agree with them because they see it a different way then leave it there. attempting to bend someone to your POV archives nothing.

Calling people names because your being matey and its a laugh and is amusing for all involved and ok.

But calling people names because they don't agree is rude. this is especially true if one is stating that forums are places of discussion and debate because there are rules for discussion and debate which turn it in to an art form and unless you are trying to follow those rules your just arguing badly or even bullying.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debate

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Off Topic / Re: AMAZING DEFOE ARTIST HAS CAREER & SEX CHANGE!!!!!
« on: 18 August, 2010, 05:45:35 PM »
Bwa ha ha ha!

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General / Re: This weeks Strontium Dog
« on: 14 August, 2010, 11:40:12 AM »
Trouble is, that wouldn't work. That's not how time travel works in the SD Universe.

Oh, I know that :) It was a way of saying if your going to ret con why not just pick up the story from a point before it is considered to have gone wrong and go from there? I would have rather that then the current story which I am not enjoying.

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General / Re: This weeks Strontium Dog
« on: 14 August, 2010, 11:03:28 AM »
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And I again say that I would have expected better of Mr Wagner, who could have done a more epic and interesting reboot than a 3 breasted woman and drunk lumpy man wonder about a bit, find bloke no one likes, who dies in a hideous manner, much to every ones satisfaction and its OK because the main guy is not really dead.


I'd be more inclined to agree with you if this was the story I'd actually read.

What did you think of, say Origins, for example? Or was that 'Old guy sits at campfire and talks about when he were a nipper then meets some of his cousins'?

LOL! I have boiled it down some due to the fact that, for me, there is very little meat on the bones of this story. Precious personality is a bit two dimensional IMO and the extra boob does nothing to compensate that. Middenface and his drunken binges I have also found a bit dull. There have also, for me, been some quite tenuous plot devices like Johnny being famous to the people who are holding Feral.

I would have rather if there is going to be a reboot, then Middenface, drunk and bitter at the loss of his pals does a quick time jump back to the No Go Job and pop a cap in Brother Sagan and tell Johnny about "The Future" before fading away. History changes, Johnny goes and punches a Teenage Feral in the nose and saves the day.

Job Done. Nothing to see here. New Stont stories here we come. Every one cheers.

To be fair I felt that SD was being a little dull way back when. I remember at the time being a bit disappointed by The Rammy and Stone Killers. 

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General / Re: This weeks Strontium Dog
« on: 14 August, 2010, 10:12:21 AM »
Why I think it's fanfiction, in case you're interested:

1) It's wish fulfilment - the character we like gets lionised, the character we don't like gets a series of increasingly non-sequiter punishments designed to degrade him.

2) Threetits Nopersonality is a typical "Mary Sue" figure - new character, gets to talk down to the old character, good looking, respected and successful. Precious is a character with no faults which is very dull and very very fanfictiony.

3) Feral's character assassination ticks all the boxes - doesn't actually act like the character in question, is captured and subjected to a weird force-feeding thing which is unexpectedly fetishy and then mutilated and burnt alive in grotesque detail. This happens in fanfiction rather more than I think anyone would ever like. It's not a natural, logical or thematically appropriate death, bolted into the story with a weird dream logic.

4) There's absolutely no connective tissue between this story and the one it follows on from - it's published in the tenth year of a fairly inconsequential reboot/revival which was begun ten years after the death of the character. Nothing in the Final Solution is addressed beyond the death of the main character and a new Doghouse (which is as far from iconic as can be). Alpha had an ending - a bit off-beat and maybe not drawn to some people's tastes - but it was a definite and genuinely iconic ending. You can't really get past that unless you disavow it (which has been done before, by things like Battle Angel or Evangelion). Since it's a story that comes past the ending, it feels like fanfiction.

I think Alan Grant was probably a more important element in S/D than Wagner, even if the reverse is horribly, horribly true for Dredd...

I am inclined to agree. As I have already said most of the new SD stories of recent years IMO have been Luke warm and  bit lack luster.

The Death of Feral does smack of pandering to the majority of fans. From the forced feeding to he cutting off of his nose and the spearing with flame does go a long way to appease those who thought badly of Feral and his associated stories.

And I again say that I would have expected better of Mr Wagner, who could have done a more epic and interesting reboot than a 3 breasted woman and drunk lumpy man wonder about a bit, find bloke no one likes, who dies in a hideous manner, much to every ones satisfaction and its OK because the main guy is not really dead.



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News / Re: 2000AD Podcast ep 30!!
« on: 11 August, 2010, 05:59:37 PM »
Oh, and thanks. Thanks a bunch. Now everybody knows about my grizzled old knob.  :lol:

We all knew anyway, TLS. ;)

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News / Re: 2000AD Podcast ep 30!!
« on: 11 August, 2010, 03:41:47 PM »
Is it possible to download these podcasts onto my ipod?

filip

um...yeah.. cant you put any mp3 onto an ipod?
Oh, you mean through itunes?

If you go into itunes and look up Geek Syndicate, then show all available episodes, you'll see all our ones plus a load of others. I'd also recommend Small Press Big Mouth if you have the time as its got The Whittle who stands in for us a lot.

Dont forget "Dissecting worlds" which is quite possibly one of the most Arsom pod casts ever. Present company accepted, of course.

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General / Re: This weeks Strontium Dog
« on: 11 August, 2010, 03:38:57 PM »
LOL if the dyslexic misspelling gets as much fame as "Arsom" then in a round about way I will be happy. As long as Mr Wagner is not offended, of course.

There is some where a thread where I did a similar thing to Rogue Trooper "Rouge Trooper" which caused some amusement I believe.

As long as people are not rude I have no problem with anyone pointing out mistakes. Its when you get all Spelling Nazi about it without taking into account I cant actually help it. Thats when I get peeved.

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General / Re: This weeks Strontium Dog
« on: 11 August, 2010, 01:04:17 PM »
Johnny Alpha should not have been killed off, simple. It was a big mistake that could not be rectified, and could it be argued that Alan Grant killed him off to spite Wagner in some way, i.e. you gave me Johnny and kept Dredd so I'll kill him off, so nah.

They brought Feral in to replace Alpha, no one could replace Alpha and Feral was an Anti Hero that had a tetchy teenage tantrum personality that was not cool. Alpha was cool, calm collected a many faceted emotional character, he was a guy that you could look up to - a father figure. Feral was like a 'Son of Johnny Alpha', but a spoilt brat that never really listened to his father, even though he admired him, hence the reason he didn't give his life willingly for Johnny. He's like Azrael was to Batman, he wanted to be like Bat's but did not have the self control or reasoning and respect for life like Bruce Wayne has. Same goes for the relationship with Feral and Alpha. Feral should not have been created, instead if they wanted to kill off Johnny they should have created a Son/Daughter of Alpha, a direct relative.

They should not have killed Johnny Alpha, let's hope this retcon brings him back and thank F**k Feral burnt at the stake, goodbye to a waste of a character.

Johnny getting killed didnt read like a spite thing but in retrospect you may not be wrong. I think the problem with Feral was that the only story worth its salt was Monsters and pretty much every other Feral tail sucked.

Ferals recent demise and in fact this whole story line seems to be written for your point of view. It's just I personally feel that Wagner could of done a far better job of it. TBH I would personally be happier if Wagner had used a drunk and bitter Midden Face to ret con the whole time line with via a time lab and left Feral well alone. It might be a more obvious way of doing it but for me the way its been done it a bit poorly done.

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General / Re: This weeks Strontium Dog
« on: 11 August, 2010, 12:15:38 PM »
ppffft! You said Wanger.

Due to dyslexia, I had to get Mrs Tweak to point out what you where on about

Mr Wagner, I totally apologies for the mistake and was in no way deliberately being rude. I have dyslexia and sometimes cant see sometimes obvious mistakes. Spell check only helps so much. :S

Oh shit, I feel terrible now. No offence meant, thought it was a typo. It was funny though.

Dont worry it is funny and you have not been a Wagner about it. (see what I did there?)

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General / Re: This weeks Strontium Dog
« on: 11 August, 2010, 12:14:25 PM »
I think the point James E is making is that this version of Feral seems very out of character to whats gone before. While most people are enjoying the current SD story it would seem that most of them are people who didn't like Final Solution. Fair enough, what is happening now is designed to appeal to that opinion any way. Its a ret con.

However, James E is just pointing out another POV. One in which is not quite so pleased with how the way in which the ret con is going. If you dont agree thats fine but at least respect the fact that there are other POVs rather than trying to bully him in to submission.

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General / Re: This weeks Strontium Dog
« on: 11 August, 2010, 11:41:38 AM »
ppffft! You said Wanger.

Due to dyslexia, I had to get Mrs Tweak to point out what you where on about

Mr Wagner, I totally apologies for the mistake and was in no way deliberately being rude. I have dyslexia and sometimes cant see sometimes obvious mistakes. Spell check only helps so much. :S

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General / Re: This weeks Strontium Dog
« on: 10 August, 2010, 04:55:14 PM »
I think people tend to hate on it because it's tied in with the Pa/Junior Angel resurrections and to be fair it's probably the point where Judge Death lost any semblance of credibility....



While I really appreciate your POV on liking The Three Amigos, you have also hit the nail on the head for why I chose it to rate the SD by.
I also personally disliked it because it was a poor copy of Dredd Angel, a story that showed you how to write a Mean Machine story and sadly was also one of the last times Mean Machine had any semblance of credibility.

There are only so many lobotomies a person can have.

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General / Re: This weeks Strontium Dog
« on: 10 August, 2010, 04:12:21 PM »
I am sad to say I really am not enjoying this chapter of SD at all. I really think Mr Wanger is off the boil with this whole story to the point where I would rate it as "The  Three Amigos" bad. But then IMO while I acknowledge Mr Wangers' superiority as a writer on Dredd, I have really felt that the SD stories of recent years have all been missing something barring Blood Moon. The last couple of episodes really lost me though.

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