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Off Topic / Re: The Political Thread
« on: 17 September, 2020, 08:29:41 PM »
He’d be more at home in the DUP than Labour. Loves the idea of an ultra-hard Brexit, but can’t articulate why beyond FORRINERS STAELING YOUR JOBZ

Off Topic / Re: The Political Thread
« on: 17 September, 2020, 04:17:29 PM »
I think the election offer from Labour was fine: “we’ll get a better deal then give you the choice”. There were two problems. The first was that, even by that point, Labour couldn’t bring itself to say “single market membership”, meaning that unless it was going for the mother of all fudges, it wouldn’t have got much more than May. Secondly, it took fucking ages to get to that point—and by then not enough people really trusted Labour.

There were a couple of short periods far earlier in this process where Corbyn’s Labour, had it not been unduly influenced by the likes of Len McCluskey, might have been able to “get Brexit done” by offering May a large bloc of votes. If nothing else, even this showcases that Labour’s coalition is far more fragile and problematic than the Conservative one. It needs PR to split in two and then reform for government. But it fights against PR because it still labours under the misapprehension that there is a path to a majority Labour government.

Announcements / Re: 2000 AD - The Ultimate Collection
« on: 17 September, 2020, 03:42:55 PM »
Nope. Can’t get into my account on the website either. (Password has expired, apparently. And the forgot password link doesn’t appear to be working.)

Off Topic / Re: The Political Thread
« on: 17 September, 2020, 12:07:34 PM »
The problem remains that people were never given a choice in the conventional sense. When referendums are usually conducted, you get to choose between the status quo and a clearly defined alternative. Brexit was always a status quo versus a set of woolly and contradictory aspirations targeted at a coalition of voters. On that basis, I still believe there was a very short time during which damage could have been severely limited. But Labour’s own internal fights meant it could also never present a coherent ‘package’ that it would have backed, which would ultimately have had to have included single market membership as its foundation. (Natch, this was the mainstream Eurosceptic position for decades and the logical first port of call for a post-Brexit UK, but there you go. Everyone got so angry about those bloody EU/EEA migrants coming over here and “taking our jobs” that nothing else mattered. Boy, is everyone in for a fucking shock come January.)

Off Topic / Re: The Political Thread
« on: 17 September, 2020, 11:56:27 AM »
The Tories would ditch Scotland. I can’t imagine NI enters most of their thoughts for even the briefest second.

Off Topic / Re: The Political Thread
« on: 17 September, 2020, 10:36:35 AM »
The DUP’s stance has always baffled me. It was interesting that near the death of the last parliament, they at least seemed to recognise they were going to be royally fucked, and dramatically switched sides on some key votes (that without them would have been lost). But bloody hell. Throughout, they could have forced the Tories to create a situation where NI and the UK as a whole would have had a reasonably pragmatic Brexit. But no—they wanted to set fire to everything instead and bring back a hard border, the fucking lunatics.

Off Topic / Re: The Political Thread
« on: 17 September, 2020, 10:16:09 AM »
Dominic Raab accusing the EU of "threatening" the GFA.
That video of him in committee doing the rounds today sums everything up. He’s asked whether he’s read the GFA. He blathers on for about two minutes, like a kid who’s not done his homework. What’s worse isn’t that he’s not read the GFA (although he talks about referring to it when necessary), but that he’s clearly not familiar with it. He mentions not taking it on holiday to read like a novel. Well, no, because the thing is 35 fucking pages long. You can read that over a breakfast. That he clearly wasn’t even aware of the document’s succinct nature is as damning as his failure to have read it.

This also explains an awful lot about the predicament we are currently in. Clearly, almost none of the people who voted for the WA actually bothered to read it.

Off Topic / Re: The Political Thread
« on: 17 September, 2020, 10:09:20 AM »
It was so painful to see the election won/lost over one stupid three word fucking slogan
And an inability of the not-Tory parties to work together. It was bleedingly obvious from day one that BXP would cave and ultimately stand down in Tory seats. Most of the other parties got together, and Labour said nope. So a large number of seats were narrowly lost because Labour ate into the ‘others’ share and vice-versa. Labour, as ever, arrogantly refused to work with others because it should rule alone.

And the others needed a healthy dose of realism as well. The Lib Dems were shocking, thinking Swinson could be PM(!) and at their highest level predicting anything up to 200 seats. They also continued with their aggressive attacks on the SNP (to the bafflement of English Lib Dems) and Labour (because, hey, let’s fight them rather than the Tories). The Greens, even, were messing up, with WTF moments like Stroud. They should have stood down in Labour winnable seats and did not.

But this goes even further back. The IV era was a shitshow. The SNP put forward an idea to default to revoke, but Labour sat on its hands. Then the IVs happened and no-one could agree. Every single party—Labour; ‘rebellion’ Tory faction; LD; Green; TIG; SNP; Plaid—fucked up monumentally by not voting for as many alternatives as possible, to provide choices. It was all the excuse the government needed to continue down this path of shit.

Imagine the IVs were different. In the second round, the SNP backs the customs union as an option (and makes that clear). Seven MPs flip on the referendum vote, from SNP/Lab. TIG and LD flip on ‘Common Market 2.0’. All three of those votes were winnable. But all these parties screwed us by wanting ‘their’ thing rather than looking at broadly acceptable options.

I guess this is why we’re fucked long-term. This country cannot countenance the notion of grown-up modern politics. Most other countries don’t have ‘hung parliaments’. They have ‘parliaments’, where parties work together. They compromise. They reach consensus. They collaborate. Here, everything is always a fight, and it’s so fucking tiring and pointless. I hope—but won’t hold my breath—Starmer and Davey might figure out a way to work together in England, assuming they’re both still leaders in 2024. But even then, the only viable coalition is likely to make the SNP kingmakers. And if Labour and the Lib Dems still flat refuse to work with them (in part because the SNP will likely red-line indy2), then we’re back to stalemate at best, short of something radical happening in Scotland with Labour and England with both Labour and the Lib Dems.

Megazine / Re: Meg 424 - Thirty Megnificent Years
« on: 16 September, 2020, 09:51:19 PM »
It’s there now. This is bonkers.


Off Topic / Re: The Political Thread
« on: 16 September, 2020, 06:21:28 PM »
Last year, I eventually gave up trying to get Brexiteers to explain how we could have no border with Eire, no border in the Irish Sea, and yet take back control of our borders. The contradictory cast-iron guarantees are coming home to roost and I'm still curious how this magic is supposed to happen.
They also seem quite happy with no borders for goods, primarily because they’ve realised a border means we’re basically fucked and will have no manufacturing sector and massive food shortages. Well done, everyone!

The only difference being that this position (held by Starmer under Corbyn) is no longer a sign that you are unfit to lead the Party.
Not really. Under Corbyn, Labour’s Brexit position was contradictory and incoherent, as I’m sure would be detailed in that new Left Out book. Under Starmer, Brexit has already happened. “Go on, then—do what you promised, you blithering goon” is a perfectly reasonable position for Labour to take right now, although Starmer will have to pivot at speed once no-deal comes roaring towards us. Corbyn’s “get Brexit done” started basically immediately when he demanded article 50 be sent. (As DAG has noted on Twitter, no sane government would EVER have done that.)

Off Topic / Re: The Political Thread
« on: 16 September, 2020, 03:22:05 PM »
They’re holding Johnson’s feet to the fire. Johnson promised X, and so no deliver. They’re throwing all his shit back at him. Besides, it’s not like this is a shift from Labour’s position under Corbyn.

Megazine / Re: Meg 424 - Thirty Megnificent Years
« on: 16 September, 2020, 03:13:23 PM »
And to clarify, the price-hike is because this is a bigger mag—more pages = higher price. (Also: perfect bound again.)

Prog / Re: Prog 2199 - Death Becomes Him!
« on: 16 September, 2020, 11:59:24 AM »
It’s an odd one. That Dredd run felt quite old-school in the way it worked and rattled along, and I suspect it’s a strip that won’t be referenced a great deal. This is how Dredd feels as a whole these days, though. Without Wagner as a ‘showrunner’, there are a half-dozen competing Mega City Ones, each with their own cast and ideas. Massive things happen, but are then immediately ignored. This has to some extent always been the case—especially once you also consider Anderson stories; but I do wonder whether this strip will have any long-term impact on 2000 AD as a whole.

Elsewhere, Sin/Dex has kind of lost me, but The Out continues to be the best thing in the Prog. I loved the new character, and, hey, Cyd needs someone (something?) to chat to now and again, so she doesn’t go bonkers. Looking forward to whatever’s next from that.

Off Topic / Re: Day of Chaos 2: a.Covid-19 thread.
« on: 16 September, 2020, 09:30:21 AM »
I remember reading a piece with a climate scientist, talking about how we’re basically fucked, and how he’s shielding his kid from this. He wants her to have a childhood with relative plenty because he’s certain her adult years will be full of extreme hardship. I look at my 6yo now and wonder what world she will live in, primarily because a small handful of rich arseholes can’t think beyond the end of next week. We might deserve annihilation as a species. But we don’t deserve disaster for billions of individuals.

Off Topic / Re: The Political Thread
« on: 16 September, 2020, 09:26:00 AM »
Cue: UK govt spinning that “we always said the US trade deal would only add a small amount to GDP—we are concentrating on more lucrative deals instead”.

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