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: I am the god of drawing, enjoy
: traviswellman 23 July, 2010, 07:54:55 PM
(http://i896.photobucket.com/albums/ac167/thehappyskull/BadassYoji.jpg)

(http://i896.photobucket.com/albums/ac167/thehappyskull/amano.jpg)

(http://i896.photobucket.com/albums/ac167/thehappyskull/aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.jpg)

(http://i896.photobucket.com/albums/ac167/thehappyskull/S0PH13.jpg)
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: Pete Wells 23 July, 2010, 08:13:56 PM
N'nice, but are you the god of sequential storytelling?
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: Jim_Campbell 23 July, 2010, 08:19:11 PM
I am the god of drawing

You know that Carlos Ezquerra posts here, right?

Yes… I know Carlos has only just started posting, but I think we should encourage him -- I tracked down some of his stuff online and I reckon he could really go somewhere.

Cheers!

Jim
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: The Enigmatic Dr X 23 July, 2010, 08:30:49 PM
God of drawing. Devil of modesty.
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: Emperor 23 July, 2010, 08:46:10 PM
Good stuff Travis, as I've said to you before I'd love to see you do some sequential work, I know you weren't... enthusiastic but you never know until you give it a try ;)
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: JayzusB.Christ 23 July, 2010, 08:48:28 PM
I think you'll find the general consensus to be something like my own view:

They're great pictures.  But get over yourself, there's a lot of good artists on this board.
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: House of Usher 23 July, 2010, 09:42:32 PM
Travis Wellman. Can draw a bit. Not big on the social graces.
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: traviswellman 23 July, 2010, 09:47:20 PM
Good stuff Travis, as I've said to you before I'd love to see you do some sequential work, I know you weren't... enthusiastic but you never know until you give it a try ;)

When have we spoke? Anyway you get me wrong, I'm a writer who draws and colours a bit. It's conceptual writing with drawing. Mah new little thang
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: flip-r mk2 23 July, 2010, 09:50:07 PM
A little bit of humility goes a long way.


filip
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: The Legendary Shark 23 July, 2010, 10:02:21 PM
Humility is for lesser people...
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: Kowalsky (formerly JudgeGumpty) 23 July, 2010, 10:10:15 PM
now im confused Shark. But yeah the thread titles a little brash to say the least. Though you art shows talent I warrant that.
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: JayzusB.Christ 23 July, 2010, 10:13:08 PM
In any case, it doesn't really hold a candle to stuff like this, now does it?

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r153/brnwlsh/urban-1.jpg?t=1279898550)

No, no, please don't applaud, I find such herd-like behaviour cheapens my work somehow.

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: Kowalsky (formerly JudgeGumpty) 23 July, 2010, 10:15:16 PM
JayzusB: Its good nice scale and fits the Karl Urban "dreddesque-com-chronicles" pose well :)
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: JayzusB.Christ 23 July, 2010, 10:17:59 PM
JayzusB: Its good nice scale and fits the Karl Urban "dreddesque-com-chronicles" pose well :)

Thanks, but no need for compliments, I am fully aware of my artistic genius.
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: Dunk! 23 July, 2010, 10:23:09 PM
Wow, whole levels of meh.

You the man. That man being low to average.

Enjoy the forum.
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: Hoagy 23 July, 2010, 10:23:26 PM
Hmmm. So you do watercolours?
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: JayzusB.Christ 23 July, 2010, 10:27:32 PM
You the man. That man being low to average.
:lol:
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: Emperor 23 July, 2010, 10:41:52 PM
Good stuff Travis, as I've said to you before I'd love to see you do some sequential work, I know you weren't... enthusiastic but you never know until you give it a try ;)

When have we spoke?

Millarworld.

Anyway you get me wrong, I'm a writer who draws and colours a bit. It's conceptual writing with drawing. Mah new little thang.

Any chance we can see the writing then?
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: JayzusB.Christ 23 July, 2010, 10:44:24 PM
Any chance we can see the writing then?

...but please, let everyone know how good it is first, so they'll know if it's worth reading or not.
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: The Legendary Shark 23 July, 2010, 11:01:14 PM
It can't be as good as mine.
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: JayzusB.Christ 23 July, 2010, 11:03:05 PM
Or Roger's, for that matter.
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: Emperor 23 July, 2010, 11:07:46 PM
It can't be as good as mine.

Because you only steal from the best ;)
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: locustsofdeath! 23 July, 2010, 11:08:35 PM
It can't be as good as mine.

That's cause you know who to steal from!

EDIT: Ha ha, I just read Emp's lost post  :D!
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: Peter Wolf 23 July, 2010, 11:09:04 PM
WOW !!!

I am all out of superlatives !!

Traviswellman - A Narcissist and a legend in his own mind.
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: The Legendary Shark 23 July, 2010, 11:14:00 PM
I resemble those remarks!
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: Jared Katooie 23 July, 2010, 11:20:57 PM
Your pictures are very nice Travis.
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: traviswellman 23 July, 2010, 11:24:44 PM
Good stuff Travis, as I've said to you before I'd love to see you do some sequential work, I know you weren't... enthusiastic but you never know until you give it a try ;)

When have we spoke?

Millarworld.

Anyway you get me wrong, I'm a writer who draws and colours a bit. It's conceptual writing with drawing. Mah new little thang.

Any chance we can see the writing then?

Sweet Millarworld. And wow so many replies already. Have you got any idea how long it took to get this many on Millarworld. I'm writing a comedy sketch at the minute about !"£$$£" presenting a "£$£""£ "£$%$£". By writing though I mean it's all written in my head, just need to type it. It'll be on Millarworld.
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: House of Usher 23 July, 2010, 11:33:42 PM
The drawing is well-proportioned and three-dimensional. The figures have a convincing weight. I can't say I care for the one with the big arms, but that's no fault of drawing ability. This kind of drawing has a use, and probably a commercial one at that. Good luck with it.
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: Roger Godpleton 24 July, 2010, 12:48:52 AM
I bet he pusses out of Meat Find...
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: I, Cosh 24 July, 2010, 01:00:30 AM
If it's true I'd like to see your drawings of ", enjoy" as this fantasy pap is quite promising.
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: Peter Wolf 24 July, 2010, 10:52:30 AM
I resemble those remarks!

I heard the same remark used elsewhere but i forget who i was quoting from but i always wanted to have a reason to say it myself although i should have hinted thst i wasnt being entirely serious as i am not sure that TravisWellman was being entirely serious either.
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: Smarty 24 July, 2010, 12:43:08 PM
your drawings have a nice flow overall and the first one shows some good colour sense. I'm not sure about your anatomy (I KNOW it's exaggerated, I KNOW your probably going for something other than human), the structure of some of it ( hips especially) take me out of it, I'm not asking for realism, but believability.

Apart from that your avoiding your main weaknesses, or the hard bits by taking shortcuts on the feet and hands. Either with 'manga boots' or using weird mechanical stuff. You need to nail these things, they look fine on a blank sheet of paper but as soon as you try and place that figure in a 3d space with wonky feet it won't work.

Sorry if this all sounds harsh but I REALLY am trying to help. you may not be quite there yet but you can be, and that takes the ability to look at your own work objectively and welcome this sort of stuff, I hope you get what i'm getting at

all the best
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: CrazyFoxMachine 24 July, 2010, 02:10:25 PM
...should've titled my Crabcake thread this arrogantly or did what the other guy did and said that art in 2000ad was crap - then people may've been drawn to it.

Unfortunately I'm not an arse. Unless I am. In which case I draw...quite...well.

I can't do it. I'm sorry.
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: JayzusB.Christ 24 July, 2010, 02:11:40 PM
And the chap in the first picture looks like he has a big cock with the bell-end chopped off and all worms coming out of it.
No, he does!
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: traviswellman 24 July, 2010, 03:01:44 PM

Apart from that your avoiding your main weaknesses, or the hard bits by taking shortcuts on the feet and hands. Either with 'manga boots' or using weird mechanical stuff.


It's not really a shortcut or avoidance, I'm ust trying to be interesting. I practically only read Japanese comics. I can't stand drawing naked men like American books. I see enough hot muscular me in the mirror. I wouldn't mind if I woke up tommorow drawing like Hiroaki Samura or Yoji Shinkawa though. Infact it might help people concentrate on the designs, but I'm still going to be drawing crazy junk aswell, too many people will always be doing realistic stuff better. The world only needs so many Jim Lees. They look a lot better than when I start a few months ago though. I used to draw feet on backwards. I'll take it on board, especially if I think of something that needs to look real. I like Otomo too for this.

...but please, let everyone know how good it is first, so they'll know if it's worth reading or not.

Bet your ass I will

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: House of Usher 24 July, 2010, 03:02:32 PM
And the chap in the first picture looks like he has a big cock with the bell-end chopped off and all worms coming out of it.
No, he does!

But that's what it's meant to be, isn't it? It's a sub-genre. It seems to be coming out of his arsehole rather than his pubis. Perhaps it's a tail. I won't say it's not well drawn, whatever it is.
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: JayzusB.Christ 24 July, 2010, 03:04:06 PM
travis gives me the horn, I'll tell you that for nowt.
(To be fair, I do like his drawings really.)
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: traviswellman 24 July, 2010, 03:08:48 PM
(http://i896.photobucket.com/albums/ac167/thehappyskull/spacey.jpg)

(http://i896.photobucket.com/albums/ac167/thehappyskull/masterdaemonknight.jpg)

(http://i896.photobucket.com/albums/ac167/thehappyskull/inking%20two/Untitled-1.jpg)

You've got to admit though, professing to be God and getting comments even close to positive isn't bad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIeOwQqyj-0
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: Emperor 24 July, 2010, 03:17:30 PM
You've got to admit though, professing to be God and getting comments even close to positive isn't bad.

Any heat is good heat ;)
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: JayzusB.Christ 24 July, 2010, 03:21:07 PM
Objectivity seems to be the name of the game on this board, fair play to it.  For example, most people seem to think John Byrne is a cock of the first water, but many of the same people like his work. I've never read it. It's probably shit, though, because he's such a cock.
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: traviswellman 24 July, 2010, 03:26:47 PM
How do I edit that post. I don't like the space suit one now because the legs were too big, didn't mean to post that one.
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: JayzusB.Christ 24 July, 2010, 03:28:33 PM
There should still be an edit button on the top right of your message; if you're quick enough you can go back and delete it. Failing that, PM one of the moderators
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: House of Usher 24 July, 2010, 03:29:53 PM
I'm not sure these portfolio pieces are getting any better, especially the weirdy demon-thing with one arm longer than the other. The best thing about is there's no mistaking the direction in which its head is pointing. There's nothing else I like about it.

The flying boots woman is really well drawn up to her bottom rib, after which I've lost sight of her under a lot of space helmet, stuck-on boobs and giant arms. The pose doesn't ring true. If she's getting propulsion from her feet, there's no reason she would turn her body like a corkscrew under the weight of all that exo-skeleton gubbins; she would strain something. It would make a lot more sense for her just to alter the thrust of her jet boots if she wants to look behind her in mid-air.

You have a good style, which recalls Frank Miller from 25 years ago for me. You owe it yourself to get good at drawing real people with real anatomy and faces. Also I'd suggest trying to make this all make sense by giving your designs a rationale instead of just drawing cool stuff. What does it all mean? What is it you're drawing? I suppose that's all in your writing.

The youtube clip is just horrible, by the way. I'd rather just see the still of the tank inspired by Tetsuo than hear voices going 'bleb bleb bleb' over it.
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: House of Usher 24 July, 2010, 03:33:14 PM
How do I edit that post. I don't like the space suit one now because the legs were too big, didn't mean to post that one.

Please keep the space suit one. I like it. The big legs aren't any problem at all as far as  can see. Are you saying she needs a bigger arse to balance it out?
 :P

Any heat is good heat ;)

Emperor, you're standing too near to the uranium!  ::)
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: traviswellman 24 July, 2010, 03:51:21 PM
The edit buttons gone now. I think I was meant to copy the link next to it. The space one I drew from life which went wrong because the woman that I drew it from had the longest skinniest bendiest (but really hot) body I have seen. Drawing from life is a real pain for this because not many womens legs are exactly 3 heads long. People are getting taller and 4 heads for legs isn't uncommon. Myleene Klass' body is more tham 3 heads long by a little bit and so do a lot of other people. That thing they teach were your arm span is the same as your height obvioulsy isn't true because I watch the UFC and often fighters of the same height have different armspans. Wanderlei silva has arms as long as people 4 inches taller. Not many people are exactly like what they teach at school. Those measurements were just Greek ideals I think. All I can say is that it looks exactly like the woman it was drawn from, from that angle her breasts looked higher than one head and with foreshortening her legs did look big but I've stopped drawing from life now because it doesn't look right for this sort of thing which is why I wanted to get rid of it.
Any other technical issues are just exaggeration and style.

 I'm still appreciating any and all comments though.
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: Darren Stephens 24 July, 2010, 04:32:46 PM
.....but I've stopped drawing from life now because it doesn't look right for this sort of thing which is why I wanted to get rid of it.
Any other technical issues are just exaggeration and style.

 I'm still appreciating any and all comments though.
I think your problems are highlighted here. Drawing from life will improve your drawing of the things you pull from your imagination as well, because they will be grounded in reality, if that makes sense. Also, the second comment I've highlighted is very dismissive of any crits that may come your way! For the record, though, I quite like what you've posted so far.
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: pauljholden 24 July, 2010, 04:47:19 PM
You need to get a decent scanner.
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: traviswellman 24 July, 2010, 05:16:39 PM
.....but I've stopped drawing from life now because it doesn't look right for this sort of thing which is why I wanted to get rid of it.
Any other technical issues are just exaggeration and style.

 I'm still appreciating any and all comments though.
I think your problems are highlighted here. Drawing from life will improve your drawing of the things you pull from your imagination as well, because they will be grounded in reality, if that makes sense. Also, the second comment I've highlighted is very dismissive of any crits that may come your way! For the record, though, I quite like what you've posted so far.

chill out, i really mean it, its appreciated. 
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: Richmond Clements 24 July, 2010, 07:47:34 PM
By writing though I mean it's all written in my head, just need to type it.

Y'see, that isn't actually writing. That's what we call 'having an idea.'
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: The Legendary Shark 24 July, 2010, 08:03:20 PM
This is going to end in tears.

Huge, great, big ones in the fabric of spacetime.
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: mygrimmbrother 24 July, 2010, 08:09:46 PM
Who is Travis Wellman??
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: JayzusB.Christ 24 July, 2010, 08:12:00 PM
Who is Travis Wellman??

Same as Travis Bickle, but with a pen instead of a gun.
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: locustsofdeath! 24 July, 2010, 08:32:17 PM
Who is Travis Wellman??

The God of Drawing, can't you read?
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: Dark Jimbo 24 July, 2010, 08:35:04 PM
Who is Travis Wellman??

You're kidding, right? This is Travis Wellman, for God's sake! THE Travis Wellman! On our lowly board!
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: Emperor 24 July, 2010, 08:37:06 PM
Play nice everyone.

Any heat is good heat ;)

Emperor, you're standing too near to the uranium!  ::)

I haven't been around uranium in years. I blame it on the half-life.
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: JayzusB.Christ 24 July, 2010, 08:52:15 PM
Play nice everyone.

Sigh. Aw Emp. Tut.
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: Smarty 25 July, 2010, 08:04:37 PM
Those manga guys you love so much (I love them too! shinkawa= the best) have a depth to their style which isn't forced but comes from being a good draughtsman first. The sooner you challenge yourself and stop taking shortcuts and calling it 'style' the better. A good 'stylised' piece doesn't come from the artists shortcoming in draughtsmanship. All those artists you quoted me learnt the fundamentals first, from 1000's of drawings from life i bet. You need to know something before you can simplify it, so many people who like comics and manga miss this point, get to a lifedrawing class. I understand your point about being another Jim Lee clone, I don't want to be that either! But the sloppy style guys (Shinkawa,Wood, Murphy) make it look easy because they can draw like a classical artist first.

Keep ignoring your weaknesses and you might end up the next Liefield instead.

good luck
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: traviswellman 29 July, 2010, 01:58:45 PM
pffffft, try and stop me.
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: traviswellman 30 July, 2010, 01:30:49 PM
(http://i896.photobucket.com/albums/ac167/thehappyskull/inking%20two/SpaceMarine2.jpg)

(http://i896.photobucket.com/albums/ac167/thehappyskull/inking%20two/Ritual.jpg)

(http://i896.photobucket.com/albums/ac167/thehappyskull/inking%20two/Jeffrey.jpg)





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: traviswellman 30 July, 2010, 01:32:29 PM
! But the sloppy style guys (Shinkawa,Wood, .



My favourite artists are not sloppy
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: Dunk! 30 July, 2010, 02:17:49 PM
Well done. Copying, early on, is good practice.
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: traviswellman 30 July, 2010, 02:46:02 PM
(http://i896.photobucket.com/albums/ac167/thehappyskull/inking%20two/SoulReaper2.jpg)

(http://i896.photobucket.com/albums/ac167/thehappyskull/inking%20two/EvilHazard2.jpg)

copying?! What the hell are you on about you jealous little thing.
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: Richmond Clements 30 July, 2010, 02:55:37 PM
Heh.
No offence, but accusing an artist with the ability of Dunk of being jealous of you is rather funny.
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: traviswellman 30 July, 2010, 03:16:48 PM
And accusing an artist of copying without evidence is just the worst insult. An artist that doesn't have any originality is about as useful as a car with no wheels. And at a professional level it could be considered libellous. I'd like to see some evidence. Even if that one there is a bit like the thing. But I added to it. It's the resident evil version of multi handed on the same arm Minotaur I was drawing so they could have swords and a bow.
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: Jim_Campbell 30 July, 2010, 03:26:17 PM
An artist that doesn't have any originality discipline or facility for self-criticism is about as useful as a car with no wheels.[/b]

Fixed that for you.

And at a professional level it could be considered libellous.

Son, you need to chill the fuck out.

Cheers

Jim
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: radiator 30 July, 2010, 03:38:15 PM
Am I the only one who gets a bit irritated when randoms just barge in and start a thread and fill it with their (non-2000ad related) artwork?

We have a thread where we can share our work - it is here:

http://www.2000adonline.com/forum/index.php/topic,27612.465/topicseen.html (http://www.2000adonline.com/forum/index.php/topic,27612.465/topicseen.html)

Doing it this way comes across as a little arrogant and is borderline spamming, in my opinion.
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: Richmond Clements 30 July, 2010, 03:44:08 PM
Am I the only one who gets a bit irritated when randoms just barge in and start a thread and fill it with their (non-2000ad related) artwork?

It all depends.
Depends if they're friendly, warm and open to constructive critisim from other, professional I might add, artists on the boards.
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: Dog Deever 30 July, 2010, 03:45:07 PM
2000ad-related art would probably be received more favourably on this board than non-2000ad stuff.
Personally, I have no real love for manga-style art, but I appreciate that others do.
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: traviswellman 30 July, 2010, 04:32:33 PM
Am I the only one who gets a bit irritated when randoms just barge in and start a thread and fill it with their (non-2000ad related) artwork?

It all depends.
Depends if they're friendly, warm and open to constructive critisim from other, professional I might add, artists on the boards.


constructive criticism like this?

 Son, you need to chill the fuck out.

Cheers

Jim

Please. Keep that advice

If 2000 ad isn't the place to get away from constant never ending super hero books where new ideas are tried out then I don't what it's for.
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: Dunk! 30 July, 2010, 04:38:58 PM
You got me, Travis Wellman.

I am jealous.

Jealous of your youth and sparkling personality, though time, and therefore experience, will take care of both

And given time you may be a really good artist.

Dunk!
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: Dog Deever 30 July, 2010, 04:57:07 PM
If yer looking to disagree with every thing anyone says, then you'll just end up with people not bothering with your posts.

There are artists and writers already here aplenty who post stuff up to the admiration of us all, who behave with gratitude and humility for any feedback they get. It's far easier to look at their work and not have to put up with defensiveness and 'I'm right, you're wrong' posts.

If you won't accept feedback, you likely stop getting any- it's a simple formula. We're a laid back bunch who can't be arsed with 'teh-internut flame-wars' that go on elsewhere (most of the time).

Sure, some folks are having a mild stir at ye, but understandable due to your reactions; it's the internet, man- burning angry ants with a magnifying glass is vaguely amusing for a short while.

Have a look through the 'HOT DANG DOODLE' thread,the Does my art look big in this?' thread and the Dredd Head thread etc in the Creative Common section for a bit. Maybe even have a go at adding to them.
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: Jim_Campbell 30 July, 2010, 05:06:20 PM
Please. Keep that advice

It's excellent and constructive advice. You've a gob on you and a bad attitude -- you're pulling the same shite on Millarworld, where you already seem to be noted for it. There are a LOT of professional comic creators on this board, including me.

Now, I may only be a humble letterer, but occasionally I do have conversations with editors. Imagine one where they say "Damn, the artist on this book has just dropped out on me and my go-to guy is on holiday. Any ideas?"

A recommendation to an editor from someone already working in the industry is worth a lot, but do you really think anyone's going to recommend you when you come across as an argumentative gobshite, even if your work was ready for the big time, which it ain't?

Being professional is about more than just the standard of your drawing.

Cheers

Jim
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: The Legendary Shark 30 July, 2010, 05:14:26 PM
Heh, seems you've been droidslapped, protodroidslapped and squaxxslapped all in the same thread. Quite an achievement! I'm not going to sharkslap you though, because I'm a w*nker and I'm standing by on the 'phone with bitchslappedlawyers4us.com

Ott with the slapping motif?
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: Ryan Thomason 30 July, 2010, 05:17:24 PM
I really can't decide if Young Master Wellman is actually a troll or if he just has some kind of psychotic shrew in his ancestry?
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: Emperor 30 July, 2010, 05:44:58 PM
Play nice everyone.
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: traviswellman 30 July, 2010, 05:56:12 PM
Please. Keep that advice

It's excellent and constructive advice. You've a gob on you and a bad attitude -- you're pulling the same shite on Millarworld, where you already seem to be noted for it. There are a LOT of professional comic creators on this board, including me.

Now, I may only be a humble letterer, but occasionally I do have conversations with editors. Imagine one where they say "Damn, the artist on this book has just dropped out on me and my go-to guy is on holiday. Any ideas?"

A recommendation to an editor from someone already working in the industry is worth a lot, but do you really think anyone's going to recommend you when you come across as an argumentative gobshite, even if your work was ready for the big time, which it ain't?

Being professional is about more than just the standard of your drawing.

Cheers

Jim

aaaaaaaaaah wait a minute. The millarworld pen thread. I was just kidding. Sorry if I hurt your feelings. I'm a joker. Can't help it. I didn't mean to annoy you, I just write absurd stuff. I even said their that I was taking your pen advice, and that I wasn't going to ink with cigarettes because I'm not as good an inker as Simon Bisley. Tools matter to me. I don't want bad ones, get bad tools you only end up blaming them. One person even agreed with me anyway.
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: The Legendary Shark 30 July, 2010, 05:57:38 PM
My brother's a tool, and I blame him for everything. It's rather convenient, truth be told.
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: TordelBack 30 July, 2010, 06:14:45 PM
Has there ever been better advice for the young than "chill the fuck out"?  Avoiding land wars in Asia aside, I've yet to hear it. 
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: mogzilla 30 July, 2010, 06:18:16 PM
not a fan of this looks like a series of doodles with a watercolour wash...now i'm not averse to the manga look but this aint doin' it fer me... would like to see a manga style dredd though hows about a shimura or ohnny woo crossoer and get a proper manga arist on duties? hell why not go the hog and have a manga special meg ?
   just dont give "god" a go.
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: Peter Wolf 30 July, 2010, 06:20:24 PM
pffffft, try and stop me.

No one is going to stop you as you are going to do what you like and what you enjoy regardless of anything else or any advice you are given which is fair enough as you can do what you like but your juvenile cocky self-aggrandising attitude isnt funny or clever.


An artist that doesn't have any originality is about as useful as a car with no wheels.


I would say yes and no to that comment as it depends what kind of art you are talking about but its all too easy to overstate the importance of originality to the extent that its overcompensating for a lack of general competence but sometimes it does work and its worked well enough in music as there are plenty of examples but ultimately its up to you how good you want to be as an artist as shying away from life drawing because figures dont always match up to the Greek ideal which is fallacious anyway is just a copout because a competent artist who is able draw figures isnt restricted in that way because they know how it all works.
(http://i896.photobucket.com/albums/ac167/thehappyskull/inking%20two/SoulReaper2.jpg)

(http://i896.photobucket.com/albums/ac167/thehappyskull/inking%20two/EvilHazard2.jpg)



Now that seond piece i actually really like and its the closest i have seen of your art that is developing into something that actually works and its far better than your colored art.I dont know WTF its meant to be but it flows really well and i think you deserve a certain amount of credit for being original and apparently not caring about what anyone else thinks to the point that you completely reject advice.

If you dont want advice then say so then you wont waste anyone elses time giving it to you.
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: JayzusB.Christ 30 July, 2010, 06:23:04 PM
I just had a nap and dreamed about eating a pink doughnut.  Now I'm awake again I really feel like eating one!  Fancy that, eh?  I don't even like doughnuts.
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: mogzilla 30 July, 2010, 06:34:21 PM
only the rasberry jam filled one for me!
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: Darren Stephens 30 July, 2010, 06:52:18 PM
I have 5 ring doughnuts here......4 now.  :lol:
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: Richmond Clements 30 July, 2010, 06:59:42 PM
Step one: learn to draw hands. Proper human ones with five fingers.
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: Trout 30 July, 2010, 07:19:54 PM
I really like it. What's it supposed to be?

</someone's gran>

- Trout
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: JayzusB.Christ 30 July, 2010, 07:27:07 PM
I really like it. What's it supposed to be?

</someone's gran>

- Trout

That's nice. Who's that? Maybe someday you'll draw me.
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: The Enigmatic Dr X 30 July, 2010, 08:50:18 PM
When it comes to drawing stuff I know nothing. But I know what I likes.

So some folks say: those hands look wonky, or it looks like it's going to topple over, or it's going to topple over. Me, I just don't see it.

My fundamental concern has been voiced by Rich and Emperor as "do more sequential stuff." But I'll go further:

these are very pretty, and I think pretty good, but what is the point of them?

This is a website for a comic (I originally wrote comic website, but that's a whole other story). Where are the comics? Where are the stories? The problem I have has nothing to do with style, or anatomy, or anything arty-farty. It's more mundane stuff about what makes up a comic:-

1 - These are terribly and overly complicated designs. Why?
2 - Could these be sustained in a comic strip without the page getting messy and confused?
3 - Can you actually tell a story in pictures?
4 - Would you be happy working with a writer? Sometimes the guys that write the stories have their own ideas about what should be on the page. Given the obvious love and attention lavished on the samples here, would you be happy to bow to someone else's view? What if it was needed for the story?
5 - Can you draw mundane stuff? I mean that quite, quite seriously. Show us a page where a man and woman having a coffee have an argument, then make up. Show the emotion on their faces. The anger, the resentment, the love. Because not all comics are boom-boom bang and robots. There's the odd quiet bit (those writers, they have these fancy ideas about "character" and "plot development" and they need a bone thrown at them every now and then with the odd talky bit (see 4 above)).

Normally, I shy away from any kind of comment on anyone's art. As I say, I only know what I like.

For me, these are good pictures. But they ain't right for comics.

I'd add, that if you don't see what I am getting at, then I worry you don't understand what goes into a comic. And you need to know that to even begin making them. THEN you need to be able to draw fingers.
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: Dunk! 30 July, 2010, 09:54:11 PM
Why is it copying?

Easy.

'Cos you're not offering any images, just weird random collages of other peoples stuff. They make no sense, and have no weight. Chaotic messes of different images with no purpose. In one you have a complete body at the centre (minus the head which is hard to grasp) with quite good anatomy, in another you couldn't grasp anatomy if you'd been promised the family dog would lick your balls if you managed it.

Draw a woman crying.

Draw a child laughing.

Draw something 2000ad related FFS.

There's a really obvious reason that you're roundly ignored on Deviant Art.

Take advantage of the dozen or so artists on this forum who i'd happily sit at the feet of and learn what it is to draw comics from. Why don't you listen too?

And for those who hold to the opinion this is the "friendlist place on the web": sorry, not in this case.

Dunk!

PS: Cheers, RAC.
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: Peter Wolf 30 July, 2010, 10:40:05 PM
"This image has been moved or deleted - Photobucket"

It must have been something i said  :D
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: nev 30 July, 2010, 10:50:47 PM
I find this thread amusing. Also Travis, as has been already said, you seem like a bit of a twat. Welcome to the board.
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: traviswellman 30 July, 2010, 10:53:30 PM
(http://i896.photobucket.com/albums/ac167/thehappyskull/JeffreyColour.jpg)

(http://i896.photobucket.com/albums/ac167/thehappyskull/EvilHazardMellowYellow.jpg)

Well that's it really. I'm not too fussed. If you leave comments I might listen to them. I don't have too. You don't have to look either. Like I said all comments are really welcome but I don't see why I have too reserve the right to reply. I'm just doing this for fun. As for being 2000ad related I see 2000ad as a creative place where creators often create totally new worlds and stories.

http://i896.photobucket.com/albums/ac167/thehappyskull/SKMBT_C20310073008591.jpg

This is a comic example. I just got bored. It's pretty boring drawing those buildings. I am confident though that it is an example of how these characters could work in a book. Not that I would really care if it didn't. Can I draw mundane stuff, sure, would I personally want to read that, not really.

I'll probably just post images now though. So they're there if you like. I'm not even asking for money or anything.
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: Trout 30 July, 2010, 10:55:18 PM
You keep plugging away, mate. If you want to draw, draw. Nobody can stop you.

All the best.
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: CrazyFoxMachine 30 July, 2010, 11:02:37 PM
Maybe he can be destroyed with sarcasm.

Or perhaps just an explanation of the difference between "to" and "too" might steal his thunder.
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: The Enigmatic Dr X 30 July, 2010, 11:32:32 PM
You keep plugging away, mate. If you want to draw, draw. Nobody can stop you.

All the best.

I'm with the Trout. Comments were invited and given. But keep it up.
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: Jim_Campbell 30 July, 2010, 11:35:56 PM
aaaaaaaaaah wait a minute. The millarworld pen thread. I was just kidding. Sorry if I hurt your feelings. I'm a joker. Can't help it. I didn't mean to annoy you, I just write absurd stuff.

You didn't hurt my feelings -- I have a thicker skin than that. You did annoy me, though, because you were acting like a dick, same as you are here, which is the only reason I brought it up. On this board, you have the eyes and ears of a number of comic professionals, and a fair number of people directly involved in the games industry, too.

Congratulations, then -- you've just given most of them good reason never to hire you or recommend you to other people who are looking to hire. So what was the point of this thread? You weren't interested in feedback, your samples certainly aren't good enough to have people beating a path to your door with exclusive contracts, and you've demonstrated to anyone reading who might be in a position to do you a favour professionally that you're a gobshite with an attitude problem.

The sound you now hear is your future career burning to the ground.

Thank you for playing.

Cheers

Jim
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: dyl 30 July, 2010, 11:37:31 PM
Travis, your stuff is alright and shows some promise. It's quite imaginative in places. Not sure what you want to do though really, can't see much of a desire in any of your stuff to tell a story and that's pretty important if you want to be a comic artist. Some of the figures that pop up now and again are nice but I haven't seen many decent faces.
It's ok to say you just want to do stuff your own way, but it's going to be pretty difficult to make a living that way. To make money you have to be an artist for hire and that means drawing what someone tells you to draw and, to varying degrees, how they want you to draw it.
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: Trout 30 July, 2010, 11:38:48 PM
Jim, he's just a kid. Take it easy.
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: Jim_Campbell 30 July, 2010, 11:40:24 PM
Jim, he's just a kid. Take it easy.

No reason to be a fucking dick.

Cheers

Jim
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: Trout 30 July, 2010, 11:44:12 PM
Yeah, I know, but let's try to be kind.
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: Jim_Campbell 30 July, 2010, 11:45:39 PM
Yeah, I know, but let's try to be kind.

Bah.
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: Jim_Campbell 31 July, 2010, 12:16:56 AM
Step one: learn to draw hands. Proper human ones with five fingers.

Never stopped Simon Harrison, mind…

Cheers!

Jim
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: Roger Godpleton 31 July, 2010, 02:01:42 AM
"I'm the God of drawing" could be a good conga chant.
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: Dunk! 31 July, 2010, 09:46:00 AM
That'll teach me not to post after a really shitty day at work and i'll take Trout's timely 'go easy there' reminder.

Hope your stuff continues to improve and you get to make something of your art, Travis.

Keep plugging away. Making money, no matter how little, or even a career from something you love is a really good feeling.

Now back to work...

D!

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: TordelBack 31 July, 2010, 10:40:34 AM
The Trout isn't as evil as he used to be, that's for sure.






I say we rush him.
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: Jim_Campbell 31 July, 2010, 10:47:24 AM
I say we rush him.

There's a wedge of lemon and a small pot of tartar sauce with his name on it…

Cheers!

Jim
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: JayzusB.Christ 31 July, 2010, 10:49:16 AM
I regret what I said earlier in the thread and I want to take it back.

It was completely unfair of me to suggest that I didn't like doughnuts.  It's just that I'd usually go for another type of confectionery first, like an eclair or possibly a sultana scone.
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: Darren Stephens 31 July, 2010, 10:57:07 AM
The work shown here seems to me like the sort of thing you would scribble while on the phone. I quite like that sort of thing though...
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: Peter Wolf 31 July, 2010, 12:16:27 PM
I have been a bit of a hypocrite.This is because i cant draw faces or heads of people so i completely avoid drawing humans as it always ends in disaster.I could persevere and try and learn but i am not really interested so i am shying away from it myself because its challenging but really you should just draw what you like.
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: chilipenguin 31 July, 2010, 03:18:34 PM
(http://www.esreality.com/files/placeimages/2010/74100-grandpa-simpson.gif)
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: Woolly 31 July, 2010, 07:41:25 PM
Travis, I was going to leave some encouraging comments, but after reading your thread...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v57/woolly/images1.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v57/woolly/3718356547_c0065dd78c.jpg)
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: traviswellman 31 July, 2010, 07:52:23 PM
I have been a bit of a hypocrite.This is because i cant draw faces or heads of people so i completely avoid drawing humans as it always ends in disaster.I could persevere and try and learn but i am not really interested so i am shying away from it myself because its challenging but really you should just draw what you like.

Why should you only be allowed to draw humans if you want to draw something else.

Anyway I'd just like to say thankyou for the more considered comments. I think someone said that sometimes a cartoony style distracts them from design, which I hadn't thought of, so I've taken that on board for certain designs. Bunch of other stuff to Id like to say thankyou for.

As for the other junk I don't want to be associated with a board where that's not modded. It's the sort of thing I can't ignore but its not good to be getting involved in. Especially on the internet. You want to find out who your threatening though I'm on facebook. Don't be stupid. Anyway I asked the mods to delete this. God knows if they will  but I didn't want to go without saying thanks
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: Peter Wolf 31 July, 2010, 08:41:19 PM
I hope you post some more art because i wouldnt mind seeing some more as i really like the piece you posted earlier that you added a yellow wash to.

Its like surrealist comic art and its quite interesting.
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: traviswellman 31 July, 2010, 08:54:27 PM
Go around threatening people like that in real life you'l get arrested or beaten up. There's nothing wrong with having a bit of confidence either btw. Go run around hating on people taking jokes badly. who cares
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: The Legendary Shark 31 July, 2010, 09:03:45 PM
Oh, grow up.
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: Peter Wolf 31 July, 2010, 09:11:40 PM
No idea what all that was about  :-\
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: Darren Stephens 31 July, 2010, 09:31:01 PM
Someone has issues.....and I dont mean Progs.
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: Roger Godpleton 31 July, 2010, 09:32:06 PM
The work shown here seems to me like the sort of thing you would scribble while on the phone. I quite like that sort of thing though...

But would you pay £15 for a book of it though?
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: Darren Stephens 31 July, 2010, 09:46:36 PM
The work shown here seems to me like the sort of thing you would scribble while on the phone. I quite like that sort of thing though...

But would you pay £15 for a book of it though?
No, no probably not.
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: mygrimmbrother 31 July, 2010, 09:52:53 PM
What the f*ck is this guy's problem?
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: Jim_Campbell 31 July, 2010, 10:37:55 PM
Son, you need to chill the fuck out.

Quoted for both truth and rapidly increasing relevancy.

You've accused someone of libelling you and now you're throwing around hysterical accusations of being threatened. No-one has threatened you, and you've actually had some advice from proper artists, including Dylan-frickin'-Teague (http://www.2000adonline.com/forum/index.php/topic,29348.msg532772.html#msg532772) who has more artistic talent (http://dylansdrawingboard.blogspot.com/) in his little finger than I can aspire to.

So. Chill. The Fuck. Out.

Cheers

Jim
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: IndigoPrime 01 August, 2010, 01:03:03 AM
Also, this board is moderated. A glut of posts from this thread have been reported, and given that this is a forum largely populated by grown-ups, I and other moderators didn't see anything worth bothering with here, bar making a polite request for everyone to behave.
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: The Legendary Shark 01 August, 2010, 01:09:26 AM
Why not head on over to "The Secret Project" thread in General for something far more worthwhile than this boring pap? Go-wan. Go-wan, go-wan, go-wan, go-wan, go-wan. You won't regret it.

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: dancornwell 01 August, 2010, 01:25:10 AM
god, this is great. I say keep it up, lets see how far it goes.
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: Jared Katooie 01 August, 2010, 03:47:14 AM
This is pathetic. The board is a shadow of its former self.

The Trout calling for calm and moderation? How low he has fallen...
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: Matt Timson 01 August, 2010, 09:50:35 AM
I'm pretty good at drawing- I think I'm always going to fall slightly short of being a god though.  Which is ok.
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: Matt Timson 01 August, 2010, 09:51:40 AM
I wish it was 2003- when I was allowed to be cruel and vindictive without a bunch of whiney twats bleating on about it.

:lol:
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: Jim_Campbell 01 August, 2010, 09:56:46 AM
I wish it was 2003- when I was allowed to be cruel and vindictive without a bunch of whiney twats bleating on about it.

Oh, go on -- you know you want to. I'll hold your coat.

Cheers!

Jim
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: Matt Timson 01 August, 2010, 09:58:33 AM
I once illustrated an article about how teenagers' brains are wired up wrong and they are effectively mental until as late as their early 20s.  So I won't.
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: Jim_Campbell 01 August, 2010, 10:59:33 AM
I once illustrated an article about how teenagers' brains are wired up wrong and they are effectively mental until as late as their early 20s.  So I won't.

That would be a good argument if Travis was a teenager.

Cheers!

Jim
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: Kerrin 01 August, 2010, 11:40:48 AM
Interesting thread. I didn't realise they were allowed internet access in Broadmoor.
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: mogzilla 01 August, 2010, 12:25:11 PM
Go around threatening people like that in real life you'l get arrested or beaten up. There's nothing wrong with having a bit of confidence either btw. Go run around hating on people taking jokes badly. who cares



eh?  who's been threatening him? 

perhapss it was the voices?
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: House of Usher 01 August, 2010, 12:34:27 PM
Go run around hating on people

That's how I would write if Fred Durst had been my English teacher.
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: Dark Jimbo 01 August, 2010, 12:36:57 PM
Well that's it really. I'm not too fussed. If you leave comments I might listen to them. I don't have to. You don't have to look either. Like I said all comments are really welcome but I don't see why I have to reserve the right to reply. I'm just doing this for fun.

I'll probably just post images now though. So they're there if you like. I'm not even asking for money or anything.

Grud help me, I can't help admire the kid's attitude.
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: Jim_Campbell 01 August, 2010, 12:37:36 PM
That's how I would write if Fred Durst had been my English teacher.

Travis Wellman revealed…

(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42064000/jpg/_42064634_kevin2bbc203.jpg)

Cheers!

Jim
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: Peter Wolf 01 August, 2010, 01:58:27 PM
TravisNotaWellman.

I couldnt resist that although i would rather not take the piss out of someone in this instance.
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: The Legendary Shark 01 August, 2010, 02:04:28 PM
Oh, go on. Let yourself go. I get the feeling he's taken his crayons and gone home anyway.
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: mygrimmbrother 01 August, 2010, 02:14:50 PM
The sad fact is he's got that much self belief/arrogance he'll probably make it, and the joke will be on us.
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: JayzusB.Christ 01 August, 2010, 02:42:01 PM
he's got that much self belief/arrogance

I'm guessing it's more a case of trying out a cool new cocky online personality, then realising he can't take the heat.
still, all he did was make a few silly and annoying comments on a website about a comic - it's hardly Dahmer and Gein territory. I wouldn't wish failure on him for that. And once again, a few flaws aside, I think his stuff is alright.
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: LARF 01 August, 2010, 02:49:07 PM
I think the whole thread started on the wrong foot due to the title 'I am the god of drawing, enjoy', it was an open offer for abuse really...
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: Emperor 01 August, 2010, 03:21:22 PM
I'm guessing it's more a case of trying out a cool new cocky online personality, then realising he can't take the heat.

I think it was more a case of turning up on a new website and starting a thread with a tongue-in-cheek title that people took too literally. Humour being such a tricky thing to convey online, especially when you are new to a site.

Pity as I rather enjoyed his over-the-top art (so many hands, arms and eyes!!).
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: Peter Wolf 02 August, 2010, 12:12:09 AM
Oh, go on. Let yourself go. I get the feeling he's taken his crayons and gone home anyway.

I will be bigger than Jesus.
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: COMMANDO FORCES 02 August, 2010, 03:55:32 AM
Just read the whole thread and it's quite a ride.

I was hoping that he might draw some mundane stuff so we could gaze upon this God's wonderous skills but alas he has climbed back up his own backside  :lol:
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: The Legendary Shark 02 August, 2010, 03:59:15 AM
I will be bigger than Jesus.

I thought you already were, Master...
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: Jared Katooie 02 August, 2010, 04:09:14 AM
He seemed like an okay guy.

I regret sending him the death threats now.
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: JayzusB.Christ 02 August, 2010, 08:39:41 AM
Yeah, I suppose he wasn't that bad.  Maybe I won't wear the skin-suit I made of him to work after all.
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: Dunk! 02 August, 2010, 08:57:00 AM
Well my apologetic climbdown was only due to my account being mysteriously hacked...
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: willthemightyW 16 August, 2010, 07:45:50 PM
Haha, hilarity!
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: House of Usher 16 August, 2010, 07:46:54 PM
You're late to the party, Will.
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: willthemightyW 16 August, 2010, 08:13:45 PM
I know, so upset I missed it!  :'(