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: 'Fear the walking dead' - Whats the verdict so far?
: Michael Knight 07 March, 2017, 05:40:19 PM
Hi folks, just wondering what any fans think of this spin off after the first 2 series. Personally thought series 2 was a blinder and I find it a very different show to the TWD. Cant wait for series 3! :-)
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: Dog Deever 08 March, 2017, 12:02:08 AM
I've been enjoying it. It's not as relentlessly depressing and grimly futile as the main show and I'm enjoying both.
I'd have to say I'm enjoying the main show more, as I'm more familiar with the characters and situations etc, but a lot of that comes down to having read some of the comics and the series having been running longer.

So yeah- I like it, it beats all shades of shite out of watching reality TV, wannabe-chef shows, dull soaps and boring police procedural/ forensic/ investigative pish.
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: Dr Feeley Good 08 March, 2017, 12:17:38 PM
I've enjoyed both series,especially the second one..lot better than I expected it to be..
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: Tiplodocus 08 March, 2017, 01:50:52 PM
Where is it on? Netflix?
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: Keef Monkey 08 March, 2017, 03:24:55 PM
Where is it on? Netflix?

I haven't watched it, but have scrolled by it on Amazon Prime a few times so it's definitely on there.
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: SuperSurfer 08 March, 2017, 04:48:24 PM
I'm struggling with this series.

After watching a few I switched off mid-episode. Can't get into it. I don't care for the characters and as a result I'm not feeling any suspense or tension at all, unlike the main series.

I can handle slow burn but this is just plain slow.

Based on comments here I might persevere a bit more.

Watching on Amazon Prime. Basically I am trying to justify my subscription. I set up an account because I needed to order an Xmas present pronto. Other than watching Walking Dead I have no use for Amazon.
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: Proudhuff 08 March, 2017, 04:52:01 PM
I really like it, but I'd watch Kim Dickens in anything, or nothing  :-[

The junkie son is a pain but develops nicely later so bare with it, and it does raise some good questions about surviving...
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: Dog Deever 08 March, 2017, 09:16:43 PM
I don't care for the characters and as a result I'm not feeling any suspense or tension at all, unlike the main series.

To be fair, I felt like this for a good while too, and yeah- Nick was an irritation for long enough (I often think that when a character makes you dislike them, that's an emotional response that indicates the show is doing what it's meant to- engage you and make you care,one way or another; and possibly at least means decent writing and/ or acting).

They have all grown on me though, to the point where I hope it doesn't get cancelled- I thought Daniel, the older guy from El Salvador, has an interesting background that was a kind of unexpected twist.

One of my (big) bairns pays for BT sports on our Sky package, which gives us access to ANC channel, which is what we were watching on, IIRC.
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: rogue69 08 March, 2017, 11:11:44 PM
I enjoy both versions of the walking dead world  fear gives us a slightly more optimistic view showing the struggles a family would have trying keep  together while their world falls apart around them. It's nice that it's not just meat some new people destroy their lives  cause the place to be overrun with walkers
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: SuperSurfer 12 March, 2017, 09:14:03 PM
Having read some of the positive comments on this thread I thought I would give Fear the Walking Dead another chance. Turned out I had just half an episode more to watch. Fantastic ending which tied up the first series brilliantly.

So now I am left wanting more.
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: Satanist 13 March, 2017, 10:21:29 AM
I thought this was pure pish and gave up about half way through S2. And I'll watch almost anything with zombies in it.
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: Proudhuff 13 March, 2017, 03:41:45 PM
Your mouth is full of (weegie) wrong!
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: Dog Deever 13 March, 2017, 07:25:28 PM
I thought this was pure pish and gave up about half way through S2. And I'll watch almost anything with zombies in it.

Your mouth is full of (weegie) wrong!

Seconded- he needs mair butteries crammed in there to wash it clean of wrongness.
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: Proudhuff 13 March, 2017, 08:16:10 PM
(http://www.theactionpixel.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/kimdickensWalkingDead-1024x398.jpg)

what's not to like ?
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: Satanist 14 March, 2017, 10:20:13 AM
The first series was set during the fall of civilization so I was glad that when it all kicked off we got to see it from inside a barbers shop. With the shutters down. I already imagine the zombie apocalypse on a daily basis so it would’ve been nice to actually see it on a TV show based on that very idea.

The characters are dull, really dull. Apart from “he’s a smack head” and “he’s a wiseass homosexual” I would find it difficult to describe any of them. Oh I just remembered “He’s a barber-torturer”.

Half the shit in the second series could be wholly avoided by throwing the daughter overboard. I think I was at the point where they got to the island when I thought that’s plenty.

There are so many different ways they could’ve approached a spin off show that I was disappointed it’s just the same old shit but worse in every way than the original.
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: Dog Deever 14 March, 2017, 12:16:53 PM
The first series was set during the fall of civilization so I was glad that when it all kicked off we got to see it from inside a barbers shop. With the shutters down. I already imagine the zombie apocalypse on a daily basis so it would’ve been nice to actually see it on a TV show based on that very idea.
Point taken, but perhaps the idea was that 'actually, we've seen that exact thing in many other zombie movies so there's not much need to examine the escalation on a grand scale'. Perhaps a more personal view of what it's like on the ground rather than a bigger picture is fine. If there was a zombie apocalypse tomorrow and I had shutters on my house, I'd put them down immediately and refuse point blank to open them until I ran out of food or water. Anyone who came looking for shelter would be ignored or shot on sight unless I knew them very well, because in dog-eat-dog situations people either are cunts or turn into them anyway. I would trust no-one and keep a shotgun handy.

The characters are dull, really dull. Apart from “he’s a smack head” and “he’s a wiseass homosexual” I would find it difficult to describe any of them. Oh I just remembered “He’s a barber-torturer”.
To be fair, I feel you're right with Travis- he's a terminal dullard and a zombie would be more interesting company. Many times his witlessness has had me enthusiastically egging his partner on to turn the lump hammer on him. However there's always been a few characters exactly like that in the main show- Carl, Maggie and Sasha are pretty flat. Some people are just tedious. The gay guy (can't remember his name), I reckon, is supposed to be a guarded enigma, you know he's concealing everything about himself, perhaps that's why he comes across flat? Daniel gets more and more interesting though and there's a bit more to Nick than 'junkie fuckwit'.

Half the shit in the second series could be wholly avoided by throwing the daughter overboard. I think I was at the point where they got to the island when I thought that’s plenty.
True. But how many people would throw their own kids into the sea just because they have made bad decisions, caused heartache and irrevocable loss (every kid ever does that)? Much as we all would love to at various points, no-one really would, so I think that's fair dos., and perhaps is the point being made?

Travis' kid is the one that makes my skin crawl- the me-me-me issues-kid ('baggage handlers' is my in-house shorthand for these types, who are ten-a-penny in real life). I have a particular hatred for this type of character (Supergirl's sister  in Supergirl- you know... life threatening situation, but "MEEEEEE/ how I FEEEEEEL/ my DAAAAAAADDY/ MEEEEEEEE"). Perhaps that's what makes him compelling- I want him to get killed on a weekly basis and I want to watch.

When they get to the island is around the time I got bored too, but it does pick up a lot from there. Horses for courses, though- if you like it you like it, if you don't, you don't (even if you're WROOONG)! :D
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: Proudhuff 14 March, 2017, 04:43:33 PM
I suppose its if you buy into the soap opera element, so many series I've given up on after the initial premise as the character are shaped by the standard TV tropes.
So yeah, I get that if you're looking for Dawn of the Dead, this isn't it, this is the zombie apocalypse (I know) on a small family scale.

and there's always Kim, did I meantion her?
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: Proudhuff 06 June, 2017, 01:29:46 PM
(http://www.theactionpixel.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/kimdickensWalkingDead-1024x398.jpg)

what's not to like ?

Third series kicks off to a mega gruesome start and an interesting set up with the ex-sheriff from SoA and Deadwood... a favourite gets killed just when he was turning interesting and the wonderful Kim Dickens continues to shine...

 
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: Andy Lambert 06 June, 2017, 01:54:16 PM
Perhaps it's the possible political climate we're heading for, but I felt more ill at ease watching soldiers holding prisoners and doing what they did with them, than anything zombie-related.
A strong opening episode, followed by a mediocre second one.
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: Proudhuff 06 June, 2017, 04:04:21 PM
Good point, I thought that might have been intended with the camp thing?
Got to disagree about the second one through: Travis shot and throwing himself out a chopper and Madison turning killer cougar!! worked for me
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: Proudhuff 06 June, 2017, 04:40:22 PM
When I say 'camp thing', I mean the Army camp rather than Larry Grayson's son's token appearance as the pilot shouting 'shut that door'
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: Tiplodocus 06 June, 2017, 05:29:20 PM
I'm actually still waiting to see a full on army vs. Zombie herd confrontation in film or tv. That's with slow zombies so World War Z doesn't count (which is especially shameful as the Battle Of Yonkers from the book is exactly that). Where would I find such a scene/set piece?
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: Proudhuff 06 June, 2017, 06:02:33 PM
Satanist will know! but he wont be reading this thread any more...
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: Tiplodocus 25 September, 2017, 08:36:52 AM
Just got to the end of Season 2 and am actually enjoying it more than season 6 and 7 of the main show.

The mid season finale was great. Genuinely didn't expect that death.

It could be just that it's fresh but when Traviscsets about those two American asshats you think the character has deserved it. (In contrast to main show where characters flip flop on "though shalt not kill" and then beating someone to death in the space of an episode).

Plus I'm with Product on the Kim thing. Much more straightforward character to follow and understand her motivations)
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: Professor Bear 25 September, 2017, 11:28:33 AM
I'm still watching this despite giving up on the main show mid-way through the last season.  I cannot explain why I prefer one over the other when they're pretty much the same thing - apart from the greater emphasis on non-white characters in Fear.
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: Tiplodocus 25 September, 2017, 12:36:04 PM
Blue sky and not everything being grey also helps.
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: Professor Bear 25 September, 2017, 01:28:23 PM
I also don't miss Egg crying like a fucking jessie every two minutes.
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: Proudhuff 25 September, 2017, 03:06:25 PM
I'm enjoying this latest half series, The Ranch was getting v boring but things have kicked off nicely again... looking forward to a clusterf*** to night  :D
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: Tiplodocus 25 September, 2017, 05:12:13 PM
Terrible pub approaching...

Madison sounds like a Korean leader to Proudhuff.

She's the Kim il dong.
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: Proudhuff 03 October, 2017, 02:39:58 PM
Chance would be a fine thing... :'(
Big ugly old grumpy jocks aren't even a niche market!
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: Tiplodocus 02 November, 2018, 09:25:15 PM
So up to episode13 of Season 3 and it's been cracking stuff. Strang at the Dam with Dante and Daniel was great. Otto, Walker and the ranch finished well and then we get a horde.

The moral decision to be made in the pantry was exactly what I have been missing from comic and main show.

Some gripes; it was very convenient who the only survivors from the ranch were but this is enjoyable and gruesome stuff. And I'm not even at the season finale proper yet.
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: Richard 04 November, 2018, 11:57:50 AM
I couldn't make it through the first episode of the first series, it was so boring.
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: Proudhuff 05 November, 2018, 10:55:51 AM
While I'd recommend the whole thing to anyone, in preference to TWD main show.
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: moogie101 05 November, 2018, 02:16:02 PM
Stuck with the first series but gave up at the start of the second. Just found it boring & hated several of the actors.
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: Proudhuff 12 November, 2018, 11:24:25 AM
Hated the character or the actual actor? Some of the characters develop over that series...
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: Tiplodocus 01 July, 2019, 11:34:04 PM
Season 4 of Fear The Walking Dead has popped up on Amazon Prime.

And what a cracking opening it is; two great new, if ever so slightly improbable characters, one crossover and up until the last minute, I thought I was watching TWD.

The timeline makes no sense though. Isn't FEAR still in the first couple of years of the Apocolypse? TWD must be 3 or 4 years ahead of that. Did the crossover character run back in time as well as halfway across the continent?

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: Proudhuff 02 July, 2019, 02:16:37 AM
Nope, think there was a fair bit of timely wifey passed when Kim Dickson copped it...
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: MacabreMagpie 02 July, 2019, 07:45:17 AM
Season 4 of Fear The Walking Dead has popped up on Amazon Prime.

And what a cracking opening it is; two great new, if ever so slightly improbable characters, one crossover and up until the last minute, I thought I was watching TWD.

The timeline makes no sense though. Isn't FEAR still in the first couple of years of the Apocolypse? TWD must be 3 or 4 years ahead of that. Did the crossover character run back in time as well as halfway across the continent?

The start of season 4 of Fear... is set over a year after the end of season 3, so that brings the two shows (at that point) to around the same point in time.

The passage of time on the main show is waaaay slower than you might think.... I was reading a thread on reddit once where they were working out the timeline and it turned out that roughly four months passed between when Herschel was beheaded by the Governor and Negan's first appearance. o.O

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: MacabreMagpie 02 July, 2019, 07:47:40 AM
Personally I REALLY loved season 3 of Fear, I felt it was the better of the two shows in terms of writing quality and always looked great whereas TWD had been giving me bland-fatigue for years, but they really sank it in season 4 and it's barely watchable, to me, anymore. Unsurprisingly, that has a lot do with the main cast changing so drastically.

As alluded to above, there was a lot of talk about the spin-off being better than the main product during season 3 so the conspiracy theorist in me wonders if they deliberately sank it from season 4 onward to make the main show look better. ;p 
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: Tiplodocus 04 July, 2019, 09:00:53 PM
Five episodes in and really enjoying it.

Always amazed how they happily kill of characters with abandon. Seems like nobody is plot armoured.

The episode with John and Laura is just lovely stuff.
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: Proudhuff 04 July, 2019, 09:37:07 PM
The Fear the Talking Dead, have pointed out anyone who becomes ‘the moral compass’ from that series gets it ASAP...

The current series still has the problem of unending ‘Gas’ and even aviation fuel
, that at least was quietly addressed in the comics, still don’t know why there were next BMX bandits in any of the comics/telly series  ::)
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: Tiplodocus 09 July, 2019, 10:21:30 AM
Mid season finale and another major character carks it. First mis-step for me, just didn't like the way it was all done in flashback. But given the pervasive theme of story telling and truth, there is still room for this idealised heroic death to be subverted in some way.

We are now left with a gang who have all, at one point, flip-flopped either side of the "all people are worthless/We must save all people" line.

So that basically means any episode can go any way depending on how writers feel.

I do like the western influences though. And the clear divide between colourful past and grey, washed out present.
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: Proudhuff 10 July, 2019, 04:34:58 PM
I watched this on Monday and have already forgotten wtf happened.. Building airplanes, balloon rides and Cheryl's Dear John read by John  ;) is about all I can remember oh and something about an atomic reactor and special zombie blood  ::)
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: Tiplodocus 10 July, 2019, 05:55:46 PM
Are you on Season 5?
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: Proudhuff 10 July, 2019, 06:10:51 PM
Are you on Season 5?

What ever one is premiering currently on AMC on a Monday evening

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: MacabreMagpie 11 July, 2019, 10:11:12 AM
Mid season finale and another major character carks it. First mis-step for me, just didn't like the way it was all done in flashback. But given the pervasive theme of story telling and truth, there is still room for this idealised heroic death to be subverted in some way.

We are now left with a gang who have all, at one point, flip-flopped either side of the "all people are worthless/We must save all people" line.

So that basically means any episode can go any way depending on how writers feel.

I do like the western influences though. And the clear divide between colourful past and grey, washed out present.

Just out of interest (this won't be spoilers for you but for the sake of others), Madison was killed off by the writers but Nick was written out as per the actor's request. I seem to recall something about not liking the direction the show was taking in season 4 but I could be mixing that up with fan speculation.

I think my biggest problem with season 4 up until then was that the time-jump to allow Morgan to crossover completely killed the season 3 finale, for me. Ended with such drama and peril and then just skips forward a year to everyone being fine and dandy, so the timelines would align. I still enjoyed it (for one, the show looked effing BEAUTIFUL, every single shot was great) but the second half of this season adds a bunch of characters I could not care less about.
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: MacabreMagpie 11 July, 2019, 10:23:37 AM
A recommendation for any podcast listeners, I enjoy keeping up with both shows via 'The Talking Dead'. No, not the ABC show, these guys had the name first, but it's a fun listen. They're covering Fear at the moment and I've been listening to their recaps rather than watching.
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: Proudhuff 11 July, 2019, 10:37:20 AM
AMC had the Fear the Talking Dead for a while which I enjoyed, never normally watch stuff like that...miss it a bit now they don't carry it...must be getting soft in my old age.


I still enjoyed it (for one, the show looked effing BEAUTIFUL, every single shot was great) but the second half of this season adds a bunch of characters I could not care less about.

This ^^^
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: shaolin_monkey 12 July, 2019, 04:44:38 PM
The third series when dude with stick turns up was quite good, but the last couple of episodes were massively rushed, with lots of stuff happening off camera that gets handwaved away, such as when dude with stick *spoiler* rocks up with a truck full of beer to save everyone from anti-freeze poisoning. 

I mean, I know I should be suspending my disbelief a bit (it's a show about zombies FFS) but COME ON!
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: MacabreMagpie 04 August, 2019, 09:51:10 AM
Are you still watching, Tiplodocus? I've been looking forward to hearing your thoughts on season 4B.
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: Tiplodocus 18 September, 2019, 09:10:07 PM
Finally made it to the end of Season 4.

Second half of Season definitely lesser than the first half.

The storm idea was good but ultimately poorly executed and I'm not sold on the new new characters (If "I like making beer" can even be described as character).

But the main thing that hamstrung it was a very poor villain and the hoops they had to make characters jump through to not just kill her on the spot. Does a zombie show even need a villain? Maybe you aren't writing Zombies right if you need to add villains rather than environment and situations and maybe other communities odds with your main group.

The final poison jeopardy was also fucking stupid and I don't think the actors, directing or pacing sold it as a life or death situation. But I really liked the final coda and set up.

But not enough to pay for it so it could be a while before I get to Season 5.
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: MacabreMagpie 22 September, 2019, 10:23:36 AM
I must admit, I haven't even bothered to watch season 5. I'm amazed it's been renewed for a 6th, in honesty. I have an idea of what's been going on because a TWD podcast I listen to covers it episode-by-episode but even they have said they're not going to anymore after this season.

If I put my conspiracy theory hat on, I almost feel like they tanked the show on purpose because there really was a period when people were saying it was better than the main show. Now, I would say the main show (as of the last season) is back to being the far superior one.

There is another spin-off coming, aimed at young adult audiences, but I probably won't watch if only for the fact I'm not the target audience.