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: Rogue Trooper Redux
: hazy efc 08 May, 2017, 10:51:31 AM
I see that Rebellion are to start work on a remastered version of 2006's Rogue Trooper a game that I myself think is fantastic so I'm super excited hearing this news, I'm also hearing that its coming out on PS4 Xbox One & Nintendo Switch with a release date yet to be revealed but with E3 next month maybe we'll find out a bit more about the game.
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: Dark Jimbo 08 May, 2017, 11:03:07 AM
Discussed here - http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php?topic=44209.0;topicseen (http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php?topic=44209.0;topicseen)
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: hazy efc 08 May, 2017, 12:24:04 PM
Arh so it is my bad :)
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: Keef Monkey 20 July, 2017, 03:06:03 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFLiJLTUQAMk-pZ.jpg)
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: Link Prime 20 July, 2017, 03:20:47 PM
Damn- "* Switch TBC".

We'll have 'Super Mario Odyssey' on Oct 27th anyway, Rogue wouldn't have got a look in as soon as I started playing that.  :D
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: Professor Bear 14 October, 2017, 02:47:12 PM
Playing it now on PS4.  No trophy support?
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: Dr Feeley Good 14 October, 2017, 05:01:32 PM
Honestly no trophies? That's the main reason I got it again because there were no achievements first time around ! Very poor if not 😥
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: Professor Bear 14 October, 2017, 06:03:33 PM
False alarm - sort of.  A trophy or three have definitely popped, but I'm buggered if I can actually find the trophy list anywhere on the PS4.
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: Keef Monkey 16 October, 2017, 09:23:15 AM
Might be the trophies are handled on the PSN server-side, so that stuff will be properly activated at launch? Hope so, I am looking forward to trying aiming for all the achievements on this, just because it'll give me some new ways to play it and things to try.
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: Dr Feeley Good 17 October, 2017, 07:56:47 AM
Checked to see if it had downloaded ok before I went to work and I can confirm it does have achievements... ;)
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: Keef Monkey 17 October, 2017, 09:42:45 AM
Yay! Would be up for trying the multiplayer on this at some point if anyone is playing on XB1 (I'm Superbeasto on Xbox Live if anyone wants to add)!
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: shaolin_monkey 17 October, 2017, 10:12:03 AM
It most definitely has trophies - I have earned several already!  :D

Dammit, but I have no staying power.  I stayed up for online midnight launch and played it until 2am.  I played right up until all three biochip buddies were installed, and then decided to pick it back up later today.  I am a bit bleary eyed as we speak.

I'm going to get my one gripe out of the way right now.  I do not like the automatic pop-to cover.  I prefer to control when I go in and out of cover with a button press - it was far more fluid.

There, gripe done.  The rest is awesome!!  Definitely the same game, but a lovely upgrade in graphics!  It is a very welcome return to Nu Earth indeed.  Loving it!   :D
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: shaolin_monkey 17 October, 2017, 10:21:25 AM
PS - I've been humming the theme tune all morning!   :D
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: Keef Monkey 17 October, 2017, 10:54:42 AM
Oh yeah, I forget how great that theme is! Now I want to install it immediately.
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: gurnard 18 October, 2017, 01:07:17 PM
Downloaded Rogue Trooper on my sons Switch last night.

Love it. It is the first time I have played on the Switch so still need to get acquainted with the controller but the game is great. I remember the story and the actions from the PS2 version.

Still really like the way you can aim grenades and mines and the sniping is sweet.
Agree that the auto hide behind feature gets a bit sticky at times to get out of and would prefer a button for this.
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: Keef Monkey 18 October, 2017, 04:17:43 PM
Yeah I'm always in the 'button to attach to' camp, it just always feels way more solid than automatically pushing in and out of it, which always feels a bit loose and unreliable. Saying that I haven't tried Redux yet so not a comment on that.

Achievement list is here (some of them are secret so if you don't want spoilers then maybe avoid - it's just things like 'Score 100 Headshots' though) - https://www.trueachievements.com/game/ROGUE-TROOPER-REDUX/achievements?secrets=1 (https://www.trueachievements.com/game/ROGUE-TROOPER-REDUX/achievements?secrets=1)

My only quibble is the multiplayer ones because I really want to aim for all these but know I'll never find someone to play with! A bit annoying, always takes the shine off even aiming for the single player ones when you know you can't have that satisfaction of completing them all. The inclusion of multiplayer-only achievements tends to be the difference between me aiming to get the achievements and not bothering at all sadly.
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: JamesC 19 October, 2017, 05:41:02 PM
I've ordered my copy for Xbox One.
I might get a chance to have a go tomorrow or Saturday if I'm lucky.
I couldn't give a Nort's arse about achievements, I just want to play through it again.
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: Professor Bear 19 October, 2017, 08:36:19 PM
I'm going to get my one gripe out of the way right now.  I do not like the automatic pop-to cover.  I prefer to control when I go in and out of cover with a button press - it was far more fluid.

The sometimes-dated play mechanics on this betray its age*, but with the graphics update and the size of some levels**, its easy to think of this as current generation software.
The trophy list did appear on the PS4 dash eventually, but a lot of them were listed as 0.0% unlocked on the servers, so I imagine it was just a day one thing.  It's good to find out I'm not the only one who hates multiplayer cheevos, too.  My trophy list is littered with incompletes like Duke Nukem and Infinite Warfare where I've mined the single player trophies dry, but just cannot face online play to go platinum.



* Not being able to remap buttons to a configuration more in line with the many third-person cover-based shooters that have since hit the market and created a standard layout seems like a regrettable decision.
** Arguably the existence of "levels" betrays the game as a certain vintage, too.
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: shaolin_monkey 20 October, 2017, 12:38:26 PM
I forgot how thrilling the Hoppa chase is. Awesome bit of action!!
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: shaolin_monkey 21 October, 2017, 02:02:14 PM
Damn it, someone needs to do a Petrified Forest walkthrough - I have no idea how to get to the salvage in high places.
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: Tiplodocus 22 October, 2017, 08:51:04 PM
It's taken me a bit of time to get used to the lack of motion controls and I had to abandon one level because I got stuck on the scenery but otherwise having a ball with this.

I'm amazed how many mechanics it has that I'd forgotten. And what fun it is once you have all of the tools available to you  you can approach things in different ways.

Two questions: the nort that tortures Helm, Nadya Bustikov or something... has her character model changed at all? I may be mis-remembering but I could have sworn she was showing off cleavage on the previous version. This one makes more sense.

And, if Mr. Rennie is reading, how much was written by your good self? Everything including Encyclopedia entries? Or just the main plot, cut scenes and combat dialogue.
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: Taryn Tailz 22 October, 2017, 10:21:53 PM
Two questions: the nort that tortures Helm, Nadya Bustikov or something... has her character model changed at all? I may be mis-remembering but I could have sworn she was showing off cleavage on the previous version. This one makes more sense.

She was 90% cleavage in the original game. :P
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: Dr Feeley Good 22 October, 2017, 11:02:23 PM
I'm enjoying it a lot more than I thought, bit underwhelmed after the first level but once I got used to the control's it got much better...just had a really good game online aswell ;)
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: Keef Monkey 23 October, 2017, 09:24:31 AM
I've not managed to find a game online yet (once I got into a lobby with someone but I left after waiting several minutes for someone else to arrive or for them to hit launch), so tried one of the progressive maps on my own. Was fun, but seems pretty tough without buddies, and if the achievements only apply to doing them online then I'll probably give them a miss.

A lot of the difficulty definitely came from me not having played any campaign yet to refresh me on the controls and mechanics mind you, had no idea what the buttons did!
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: I, Cosh 23 October, 2017, 09:56:13 AM
Never played the original of this and had it marked down for the Switch but the lure of knocking over some trophies on the Playstation might win out. Anyone care to recommend one or the other platform?
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: SIP 27 October, 2017, 11:47:10 AM
Are there a lot of rose tinted spectacles being worn here?

Well, I bought it (for the second time), this time on the PS4....and it is really showing its age. The graphical improvements do not go very far in addressing its issues and ( in my opinion) the game reaches mediocre at best, particularly by modern gaming standards.

I would only recommend it to anyone who was either heavily invested in the character or had a serious love for the old game......though you could pick up any of the Gears of War games and see similar gameplay done significantly better (without Rogue of course).
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: Spaceghost 27 October, 2017, 12:14:19 PM
Are there a lot of rose tinted spectacles being worn here?

Well, I bought it (for the second time), this time on the PS4....and it is really showing its age. The graphical improvements do not go very far in addressing its issues and ( in my opinion) the game reaches mediocre at best, particularly by modern gaming standards.

I would only recommend it to anyone who was either heavily invested in the character or had a serious love for the old game......though you could pick up any of the Gears of War games and see similar gameplay done significantly better (without Rogue of course).

To be honest, I agree with a lot of this, although I wouldn't say it was mediocre. There are a lot of cool and exciting gameplay mechanics, and a huge choice of weaponry and gadgets that open up a ton of different strategies which allow you to approach each set piece in a variety of different ways. I also love the scavenging/crafting aspect, which I remember thinking was really innovative when the game was first released, but has since become standard in adventure games.

Some of the gameplay mechanics are dated and the improved graphics still don't match up to the standard of modern consoles. At best, it looks and plays like an early PS3 game. My 13 year old son was laughing hysterically at the jerky cut scene animations.

The enemy AI is practically non-existent, with enemies either spotting you instantly and blasting away, or completely ignoring the fact that you just killed their colleague with a headshot while they were stood right next to them, often saying "who's there?" as their pal crumples to the floor for unintentional comic effect.

Most of my enjoyment comes from the fact that this is Rogue Trooper, and being able to run around Nu Earth killing Norts, freeing Stamels, shooting down Hoppas and telling Gunnar to "synth out!" is a huge thrill.

Without Rogue, I doubt I'd even bother playing.
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: The Enigmatic Dr X 27 October, 2017, 07:05:17 PM
I agree... and don't.

I bought it for the Switch because, as Tips says, there is fun to be had in playing it on the move. There are no other cover shooters (or, in fact, any 3d shooters) on the Switch.

If Doom or Wolfenstein were out then there'd be competition. There isn't.

And, it's Rogue.
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: SIP 27 October, 2017, 07:23:27 PM
Okay then....with that taken into consideration I guess the review would be: "get this if you have absolutely no alternatives".  Maybe not a tagine to stick on the box.

But, it is a fair point that it would probably be better consideted as a handheld mobile game on the switch than a full title on the current generation big boys.

I do have a switch as well.....but I managed to pick this up a lot cheaper for ps4.
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: Tiplodocus 28 October, 2017, 10:36:57 PM
Well worth a punt for £20. Definitely enjoyable fun time to be had shooting space Nazis even with Rooney animation and effects. Playability is great.

The other thing for me is that I only have Nintendo consoles in the house so this is possibly the first run and shot game I've bought since... ha... probably the original on the Wii.

Actually I think I had the Goldeneye remake which was OK and a Call of Duty (World at War?) which made me feel queasy when it lavished war porn love on the flamethrower and asked me to shoot unarmed prisoners.

Oh and a bit of Mass Effect 3: Cut scene edition on the Wii U.
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: Tiplodocus 02 November, 2017, 11:00:27 PM
Oh bugger. Just boarded the hover train.
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: sheridan 04 November, 2017, 02:58:17 PM
Actually I think I had the Goldeneye remake which was OK and a Call of Duty (World at War?) which made me feel queasy when it lavished war porn love on the flamethrower and asked me to shoot unarmed prisoners.

I had no idea standard shoot-em-ups were that bad.  I've just done a quick google and found a few complaints that they allow you to commit war crimes in-game, but are there games where you're actually required to commit war crimes in order to successfully complete the missions?  Using flame-throwers in close combat, executing unarmed and wounded prisoners, destroying civilian buildings, etc?
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: Tiplodocus 04 November, 2017, 04:22:11 PM
Actually I think I had the Goldeneye remake which was OK and a Call of Duty (World at War?) which made me feel queasy when it lavished war porn love on the flamethrower and asked me to shoot unarmed prisoners.

I had no idea standard shoot-em-ups were that bad.  I've just done a quick google and found a few complaints that they allow you to commit war crimes in-game, but are there games where you're actually required to commit war crimes in order to successfully complete the missions?  Using flame-throwers in close combat, executing unarmed and wounded prisoners, destroying civilian buildings, etc?

It was eight or nine years ago so I am struggling to remember but I think it's a Yes to the flame-throwers.  That was making me feel the game was a wrong 'un but then during the Russian portion, iirc, you have to choose between shooting or burning some prisoners.  I stopped playing at that point.
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: JamesC 05 November, 2017, 07:41:02 AM
Spec Ops: The Line is a really good shooter which tackles the subject of what games require you to do in the name of entertainment. It's basically Apocalypse Now, in which you play a character who is becoming less sane and losing his judgement as time goes on, leading to the infamous 'white phosphorus' sequence. It's well worth a play through or even just reading about online.
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: GrudgeJohnDeed 23 November, 2017, 01:49:23 AM
I really like it when games purposefully play with your sense of morality, Spec Ops is a good example JamesC. I never played World at War though, I'm not sure how it was executed there. I'm working on a little indie platformer at the moment which will have it's own moral conundrum near the end,  assuming I don't bottle it!

On topic, I played a bunch of Rogue Trooper Redux with a mate, it was great stuff. It takes a little bit to get going but once you're all powered up with your biochips and the real gameplay has shown itself, it's still as good as I remember.

We also booted up the PS2 version afterwards to compare, it's interesting. Theres something more cohesive about the art style of the original, its much more stylised and then in the Redux they've injected some realism, perhaps creating a clash. Redux still looks cool though, the extra resolution goes a long way for a kick off! Does anyone know if it does 4k on the Pro and the X? that would be cool.
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: Keef Monkey 23 November, 2017, 11:44:55 AM
It's not on the list of enhanced games for XB1X so don't think they've patched it for 4K or anything, but haven't booted it up to see if it still gets some benefits. Will need to have a look!
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: GrudgeJohnDeed 23 November, 2017, 03:05:51 PM
Ooh you lucky git :) The X is top of my wishlist for sure. Look forward to your findings!