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: new 2000ad RPG to funded via Kickstarter
: rogue69 31 August, 2018, 06:39:56 PM
There's a new RPG being released/funded via Kickstarter The Judge Dredd & The Worlds of 2000 AD being launched on Tuesday September 25th.
they don't have much detail on their website at the moment but I'm sure there will be more info soon.
https://www.worldsof2000adrpg.com
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: TordelBack 31 August, 2018, 07:02:18 PM
Hmmm, more Kickstarter.  After the four (or was it five?) years it took to more-or-less complete fulfilment of the Mongoose Dredd Miniatures game campaign (and I still never received an actual Joe Dredd mini!), I'd have thought Rebellion might be a bit wary of handing their IP to another company that needed crowdfunding to bring it to market.

Given that WOIN is an established (and suitable) system that already exists, and the Dredd source material likewise, I suppose I should be more confident about the outcome.  But still, pledging again...  ::)
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: sheridan 31 August, 2018, 09:29:53 PM
I take it you saw the official Rebellion announcement last year (https://2000ad.com/post/1414)?
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: sheridan 31 August, 2018, 09:30:52 PM
p.s. haven't found the original thread about the new game, but this post I made (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=45038.0) refers to it to.
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: wedgeski 31 August, 2018, 11:04:22 PM
I've been a member of the community of which ENPublishing is an arm for many years, and those guys will put a lot of time and passion into this. I doubt I'll play this one, because I do not need yet another RPG system in my life, but I'm sure it'll be good.

It bums me out that they weren't able to fulfil this without a Kickstarter, but the market for a Dredd RPG must be tiny, let alone the lesser-known IP's. My roleplaying circle is probably two-dozen people and no-one except me reads the comic.

Sad story: in school many years ago, I bribed some of my friends with chocolate to let me run the Games Workshop Dredd RPG for a couple of sessions when all they wanted to do was play D&D. They hated it. <voiceover> It was then I realised... </voiceover>
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: TordelBack 31 August, 2018, 11:25:45 PM
I've been a member of the community of which ENPublishing is an arm for many years, and those guys will put a lot of time and passion into this. I doubt I'll play this one, because I do not need yet another RPG system in my life, but I'm sure it'll be good.

They always seem a good gang, and WOIN seems a solid system (I've only read it, never played anything with it, but it seems more than suitable for Tooth), but I can't help feeling the whole thing is desperately ambitious. I mean, Luna-1 as their second Dredd supplement release, when they plan to cover so many other 2000AD properties, but have to crowdfund the core book?  I think I've read the whole of Luna-1 exactly twice in the last 35 years, perfectly crafted jewel of 'The Oxygen Board' aside it doesn't really stand up. Wouldn't a more general off-world 'Dredd in Space' sourcebook be more marketable?  Lesser Lingo, AB, Necross, K-Alpha 61, 43 Rega, Titan/Enceladus, the Lawlords etc etc.  I mean, I'd buy it!  But Luna-1 on its own? Meh.

Don't mean to crap on a new venture I've been eagerly anticipating, and planning on buying into, but it is a concern.

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: The Adventurer 01 September, 2018, 05:54:38 AM
I guess I need to do some research on the  WOIN engine. I love RPGs, and just having Source Books for Judge Dredd will be awesome. Even though I'd rather run it in FATE, or GURPS.

This appears to be their WOIN (What's O.L.D is N.E.W.) line of products. for those curious, the N.E.W. RPG looks like their generic Sci-fi system. So will probably be the base of the new JD RPG.  (https://www.drivethrurpg.com/browse/pub/87/EN-Publishing/subcategory/266_22895/Whats-OLD-is-NEW[/url)
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: The Adventurer 01 September, 2018, 05:56:35 AM
Almost ALL new RPG products are crowd funded these days. The market is just too niche to pour money into anything but the most guaranteed of sales (D&D, Pathfinder). Even big name brands like World of Darkness needs to resort to crowdfunding. Its just the business right now.
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: Robin Low 01 September, 2018, 08:59:16 AM
Almost ALL new RPG products are crowd funded these days. The market is just too niche to pour money into anything but the most guaranteed of sales (D&D, Pathfinder). Even big name brands like World of Darkness needs to resort to crowdfunding. Its just the business right now.

Yeah, these days most of the RPG stuff I buy is either through a Kickstarter or after a Kickstarter is delivered (often the latter now, since cost of delivery is silly). There's a lot of print-on-demand too.

Doesn't surprise me that it took Mongoose 4/5 years to deliver - there's not a lot to recommend it as a producer of RPGs. The content is often weak and they've messed up on ambitious projects before (the Lone Wolf gamebook reprints, for example). The current Traveller line seems to be doing okay, but based on my previous experience and the cost of the books I'm not risking it.

The problem with RPGs is that once you've got the idea you don't need a rulebook or a setting book. I went to the annual get-together of my university gaming group earlier in August and played in a Flash Gordon parody and we used 2D6, a few numbers scribbled on a piece of paper and some common sense. The GM had half a page of setting for us and a handful of notes for himself. Half a day of action, adventure and laughter. And a 26 foot tall octo-ape. And it cost pennies and daydreams to create.

Regards,

Robin
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: Suede1971 01 September, 2018, 02:58:50 PM
What happened to the judge dredd miniatures game? always wanted to pick up some of the models
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: TordelBack 04 September, 2018, 03:04:25 PM
Quietly taken out behind the chem pits and a quick SE in the head by Warlord, not long after they bought it from Mongoose.  It wasn't a bad game at all,  and clusterfuck KS fulfilment aside I was pretty happy with the minis I got - the Sovs, Angels and Cultists are fab,  and some of the World Judges and ABC Warriors were great. Ironically it was the MC-1 Judges that were weakest.    I have some unopened boxes of rather good Fatties and Skysurfers if you wanted to make me an offer!

As to the current WOIN RPG Kickstarter, my fears have been calmed by a reads of the preview pages.  Tone seems spot-on, buckets of flavourful detail and the genius idea of printing crimes and sentencing guidelines on the players' side of the GM's screen.  I see myself dusting off my old GW Dredd campaign for this new system!

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: Suede1971 04 September, 2018, 07:15:02 PM
Very annoying, i just wanted the models more then anything
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: TordelBack 04 September, 2018, 09:20:21 PM
Dont fret too much, I'd imagine Warlord will have another JD skirmish game out within the next 24 months, and they may well reuse some of the better sculpts. In the meantime spend your groats on their excellent Strontium Dog range.
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: von Boom 25 September, 2018, 09:45:09 PM
Link to Kickstarter.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/enworld/judge-dredd-and-the-worlds-of-2000-ad-roleplaying (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/enworld/judge-dredd-and-the-worlds-of-2000-ad-roleplaying)

I may fund it, but I'm waiting until they confirm the Naughty Photos of TordelBack stretch goal.
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: sheridan 25 September, 2018, 10:05:04 PM
It took 9 minutes to fund, so I'm guessing the printing presses are busy now!
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: TordelBack 25 September, 2018, 10:25:51 PM
I may fund it, but I'm waiting until they confirm the Naughty Photos of TordelBack stretch goal.

You have only to ask.

Well,  all doubts out the window - that is one highly polished campaign, and aside from a judge who collects antiques (How?  Where?) everything presented seems spot-on so far. I still have to find the creds somehow (about those photos,  von Boom...), but the chance to use my old GW adventures and floor plans with my Mongoose minis and a solid modern d6 ruleset under a stylish black Carlos hardcover... WAY too much to pass up.
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: von Boom 26 September, 2018, 02:33:45 PM
I may fund it, but I'm waiting until they confirm the Naughty Photos of TordelBack stretch goal.

You have only to ask.

Well,  all doubts out the window - that is one highly polished campaign, and aside from a judge who collects antiques (How?  Where?) everything presented seems spot-on so far. I still have to find the creds somehow (about those photos,  von Boom...), but the chance to use my old GW adventures and floor plans with my Mongoose minis and a solid modern d6 ruleset under a stylish black Carlos hardcover... WAY too much to pass up.
Don't worry about the photos. Sharky hooked me up. :)

I'm going to go for the Chief Judge level if I can. I'm a sucker for a nice GM screen.
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: Bolt-01 26 September, 2018, 02:56:05 PM
Wow, fantastic to see this so well supported.
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: The Adventurer 26 September, 2018, 05:13:05 PM
Wow, blasted through that funding goal in record time. Congrats.
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: sheridan 19 October, 2018, 03:46:49 PM
EN Publishing have just announced (https://mailchi.mp/82279171bf41/announcing-strontium-dog-and-rogue-trooper) the next four planned releases for Judge Dredd and the Worlds of 2000AD.

(https://gallery.mailchimp.com/2026aa5caf3846031659ba7dd/images/84353df7-d7ac-4631-9a43-39a70f82a49f.jpg)
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: TordelBack 19 October, 2018, 03:58:04 PM
Jovis, my poor wallet  :o.

Great stuff, and loving the placeholder name "Anne Orther". I think the idea of covering the Corps and Titan (and Enceladus?  Mars?  Hestia?) in the Luna-1 supplement is a great one,  and hopefully shows the shape this range is going to take, not restricting itself to the epics themselves but expanding on their elements and settings.

Hope Mongoose and Warlord have some arrangement regarding the so-so RT kickstarted minis that seem to be still dribbling out.
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: sheridan 19 October, 2018, 05:26:48 PM
Jovis, my poor wallet  :o.

Great stuff, and loving the placeholder name "Anne Orther". I think the idea of covering the Corps and Titan (and Enceladus?  Mars?  Hestia?) in the Luna-1 supplement is a great one,  and hopefully shows the shape this range is going to take, not restricting itself to the epics themselves but expanding on their elements and settings.

Hope Mongoose and Warlord have some arrangement regarding the so-so RT kickstarted minis that seem to be still dribbling out.

I meant to ask if anybody has seen that King Carlos picture before - disclaimer said they were placeholder covers, so I'm guessing it's been used on a collection before?

As for the content - strange to call it Luna-1 when it could potentially cover any Dreddverse space strips (at least the local to Earth ones).  Hopefully they'll include the Anderson Goes to Mars story.
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: Pyroxian 19 October, 2018, 05:56:01 PM
I meant to ask if anybody has seen that King Carlos picture before - disclaimer said they were placeholder covers, so I'm guessing it's been used on a collection before?

It was used on the US version of the "Strontium Dog: The Early Cases" GN - http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Strontium_Dog:_The_Early_Cases_(Collected)
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: TordelBack 19 October, 2018, 07:25:03 PM
As for the content - strange to call it Luna-1 when it could potentially cover any Dreddverse space strips (at least the local to Earth ones).  Hopefully they'll include the Anderson Goes to Mars story.

I agree, it's odd - but from this showing it seems like a solid plan, to follow the order of the Mega Epics and introduce related material as they go. Presumably next we'll get the Undercity, the Academy and SJS/Chief Judge's Office in the DtLD book.  Then Texas City and Extra-solar shenanigans in JCQ. Clever sort of drip-feed.
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: sheridan 25 October, 2018, 05:38:09 PM
About one hour left on the Kickstarter. No idea what happens with future releases after the core rulebook is no longer available.
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: TordelBack 26 October, 2018, 09:13:54 AM
PDFs already sent out!  These lads aren't messing.

Only had a chance to skim The Robot Wars supplement, but it's an odd beast to be sure. If I was trying to get people into Dredd RPGs I personally wouldn't start with the core adventure - precisely following the plot and characters of the Robot War story (perhaps admirably) including all the kitsch, cringe and speech-impediment humour of 70s comics for 8-year olds,  but delivered in a rather cold analytic style. I think the Dredd setting has a lot better to offer than this even just in the rogue robots line - the Second Robot War, Mechanismo or Mekka-City, for example.  But then TBH I've never really understood the play-a-story-you've-already-read style of role-playing anyway - or indeed playing as Dredd himself - I generally want original scenarios against a familiar backdrop.

This tone continues into short breakdowns of some other Casefiles Vol 1 stories,  and while there is a certain appeal in the prospect of taking down 'Kevin O'Neil' in the Krong story, there's not much there that a quick re-read wouldn't cover, while making you wish you were looking at Vols 4-8 instead.

The Citizen characters' adventure seems much looser and a lot more fun, with some nice outlines for features and personalities of Matt Damon Block. It's also something I've never tried,  although various White Dwarf articles encouraged you to run a perp campaign with the GW Dredd RPG. I'm naturally well-disposed to a setting that includes a Goth gang who keep getting arrested because they can't run fast in their giant boots (whistles innocently and hopes Jim isn't reading).

You really can't fault the thoroughness of the 'crunch' section either - there's about 40 pages on running/playing robot characters, from vending machines to construction droids,  and sexmeks to public defenders, which is mainly a series of concepts and ideas but is astonishingly comprehensive. There ought to be enough inspiration in there to keep anyone happy.

Robot Wars is clearly a labour of love, and solid value for money. My ambivalence towards it probably comes from a lack of affection for the specific source material - Casefiles Vol 1 is really the strip struggling to find its feet, in the hands of writers of varying quality,  but this book approaches it more as if Dredd himself is going through that process, despite already having 20 years under his boots. Trying to rationalize the quasi-racist tropes, outdated SF trappings and weird inconsistencies of this period of the strip as if they had an internal logic is a bit of a fool's errand, but if you wanted to play a game with the flavour of the earliest strips,  there's no doubt that this is as close are you're likely to get.

This level of attention to detail and expansive generation of character and story concepts bodes well for future supplements focusing on eras that are more to my personal taste.

BTW Sheridan,  surely it's only the gorgeous Carlos-cover Deluxe Edition that's exclusivd to this Kickstarter? Presumably they'll be selling the regular edition through the usual channels.
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: sheridan 26 October, 2018, 10:42:27 PM
PDFs already sent out!  These lads aren't messing.

We did get quite a few kickstarter updates over the past 24 hours, didn't we? :-)

BTW Sheridan,  surely it's only the gorgeous Carlos-cover Deluxe Edition that's exclusivd to this Kickstarter? Presumably they'll be selling the regular edition through the usual channels.

Not sure - if not, then presumably the future releases will have the core rulebook as one of the 'stretch' goals if they aren't contained in whatever the release is.  The closest paralells I can think of are the Judge Dredd D20 and hte Slaine D20 rulebooks, which (understandably) can be played entirely independently.  Though the more recent 2000AD RPGs were the Traveller-based JD and SD books, both of which are setting books that require the Traveller core book to actually play anything.
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: Toni Scandella 27 October, 2018, 12:48:42 AM
i asked on facebook and they said it will be sold as normal, but not until after all the backers have their rewards.

im impressed with the pdfs. the rule set looks much smoother than the d20 and traveller versions, which i ditched early on in favour of expanding my old GW rules with the feats and psi abilities. this one looks to be really easy to use all the gw and mongoose stuff with, too.
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: TordelBack 27 October, 2018, 02:21:05 AM
This was my thinking too. I like a system where char gen does most of the heavy lifting, and gameplay uses a single resolution mechanic read straight off the sheet. Swapping in NPC archetypes in to old adventures seems like it would be a doddle.   

From tinkering about a bit it does seem like perps and citizens are going to be more interesting than Judges, who naturally feel samey. But I did have fun creating a thrillseeking amateur xenobiologist who specializes in cataloguing alien/mutant organisms growing in hard-to-reach nooks and crannies high up on the sides of citiblocks. I suspect he may be seconded to Med Div shortly for a 6th Career slot.

Next exploratory mission is to try to progress Joe and both Ricos through to their current/final states and see how that works. But how to represent Rico being the better cadet?
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: sheridan 27 October, 2018, 11:57:27 AM
This was my thinking too. I like a system where char gen does most of the heavy lifting, and gameplay uses a single resolution mechanic read straight off the sheet. Swapping in NPC archetypes in to old adventures seems like it would be a doddle.   

From tinkering about a bit it does seem like perps and citizens are going to be more interesting than Judges, who naturally feel samey. But I did have fun creating a thrillseeking amateur xenobiologist who specializes in cataloguing alien/mutant organisms growing in hard-to-reach nooks and crannies high up on the sides of citiblocks. I suspect he may be seconded to Med Div shortly for a 6th Career slot.

I used Russ Morrus' PHP character generator (have all the PDFs now, but it's going to be some time before I can go through them).  My robot is about 28 years old and has gone through 5 careers - not sure that quite works for a robot, but I can see chargen will be a good session zero.
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: sheridan 27 October, 2018, 11:59:13 AM
i asked on facebook and they said it will be sold as normal, but not until after all the backers have their rewards.

im impressed with the pdfs. the rule set looks much smoother than the d20 and traveller versions, which i ditched early on in favour of expanding my old GW rules with the feats and psi abilities. this one looks to be really easy to use all the gw and mongoose stuff with, too.


I never got any of the Mongoose adventures, though have both GW ones.  How well do they map?  I went through all three core books a few months ago and saw that two of the Mega-City penal codes matched up pretty well, though the other had different crimes in different orders (can't remember which right now).
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: Leigh S 27 October, 2018, 05:23:04 PM
But how to represent Rico being the better cadet?

A single loaded die seems appropriate? (You could maybe have a Rico rule where the highest die is automatically a 6, so only kicks in on a poorer roll?)
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: sheridan 15 March, 2019, 11:06:50 PM
Well, I got my copy through the post - anybody else?
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: NapalmKev 16 March, 2019, 06:07:48 AM
Well, I got my copy through the post - anybody else?

Received mine just over a week ago. Hardcover core rulebook and softcover Robot Wars book. I'm still deciding what sort of character type to go for, though I'm edging towards an Anti-Judge/Pro Democracy troublemaker with some underlying criminal tendencies. The agony of choice!

Cheers

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: sheridan 16 March, 2019, 12:53:53 PM
Well, I got my copy through the post - anybody else?

Received mine just over a week ago. Hardcover core rulebook and softcover Robot Wars book. I'm still deciding what sort of character type to go for, though I'm edging towards an Anti-Judge/Pro Democracy troublemaker with some underlying criminal tendencies. The agony of choice!

Cheers

First one, then the other (at pre-play stage we can't know just how survivable a session is).
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: The Bissler 16 March, 2019, 10:49:57 PM
I feel foolish that I never asked this here first but I've been asking around on Facebook trying to gauge if there are many people who would welcome new content for this game. I'm going to be running sessions for my players anyway so could write them up properly for others to use as they see fit. Would anyone here be interested?
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: The Bissler 18 March, 2019, 11:28:32 AM
I know there wasn't any response here but there was interest on Facebook. That being the case, I've set up a Facebook group to GMs to share content and discuss the game. All welcome! Thanks!
 
https://www.facebook.com/groups/262883387967964/
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: NapalmKev 18 March, 2019, 02:48:19 PM
I know there wasn't any response here but there was interest on Facebook. That being the case, I've set up a Facebook group to GMs to share content and discuss the game. All welcome! Thanks!
 
https://www.facebook.com/groups/262883387967964/


I've requested to join, just waiting for confirmation.

Cheers

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: The Bissler 18 March, 2019, 05:40:28 PM
I know there wasn't any response here but there was interest on Facebook. That being the case, I've set up a Facebook group to GMs to share content and discuss the game. All welcome! Thanks!
 
https://www.facebook.com/groups/262883387967964/


I've requested to join, just waiting for confirmation.

Cheers



Apologies I missed that earlier Kev, good to have you on board now!