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Off Topic / Re: It's a bit warm/ wet/ cold outside
« on: 13 November, 2019, 01:27:00 pm »
There's a programme on BBC 4 this Thursday at 9pm called 'Climategate: Science of a Scandal'. 

It discusses how covert fossil fuel interests hacked the emails of a two scientists, one in the UK and one in the US (Michael E Mann, who I have studied under), and proceeded to cherry pick quotes to cast doubts on their data and scientific method. 

It promises to be a fascinating look at something climate change deniers are citing TO THIS DAY (either deliberately as bad agents sowing doubt, or just because they are folk who have swallow the crap from the bad agents), despite having been fully debunked way back when.


If you want a bit of an oversight into the whole thing, this will get you up to speed quickly:


Off Topic / Re: It's a bit warm/ wet/ cold outside
« on: 10 November, 2019, 01:37:29 pm »
‪This is a cracking article that highlights the push of responsibility onto individuals and away from multinationals and politicians by bad agents.‬

‪It also discusses why it is ok to push for improvements from within the system you’re stuck in.‬


Film & TV / Re: The Walking Dead Season 10
« on: 10 November, 2019, 11:05:53 am »
This series is getting exceptionally tedious. Negan is great, but that is it.

And yeah, whiny platitudinous music in a show about the zombie apocalypse can piss right off.

Off Topic / Re: It's a bit warm/ wet/ cold outside
« on: 05 November, 2019, 09:57:52 pm »
This is a scientific paper every literate person on the planet needs to read, immediately. Please read it.


Film & TV / Re: His Dark Materials - BBC series
« on: 05 November, 2019, 09:57:01 pm »
I watched the first episode with Michael Van Kesteren, who designed the alethiometer for this show, amongst other things. You may recall him from such things as designing and making the Lawgiver in ‘Dredd’ (amongst other things).

I enjoyed the first episode, and had the pleasure of a ‘behind the scenes’ chat afterwards, from a design and fabrication perspective.

It turns out another of my mates is in this too. He features regularly in Dr Who as the monster of the week, but in this show he was ‘dude with fox that kidnapped the child’.

Off Topic / Re: It's a bit warm/ wet/ cold outside
« on: 03 November, 2019, 10:44:29 am »
Exxon knew damn well 20 years ago that burning fossil fuels would destroy us.

Here are scientists who worked for them confirming this to AOC.


Events / Re: 2000ad Ultimate in Cardiff
« on: 02 November, 2019, 12:07:09 pm »
Sorry - should have googled it before responding!  :D

I had NO IDEA that place was called Troutmark!!

Thanks for the heads up - may swing by tomorrow.

Events / Re: 2000ad Ultimate in Cardiff
« on: 02 November, 2019, 12:05:25 pm »
Where is Troutmark? I’m in Cardiff, but that name does not ring a bell.

Off Topic / Re: It's a bit warm/ wet/ cold outside
« on: 26 October, 2019, 09:51:46 am »
This is INSANE.

“If SUV drivers were a nation, they would rank seventh in the world for carbon emissions”


Classifieds / Re: Classic Original Art for Sale
« on: 25 October, 2019, 12:24:56 pm »
Oh god, those Slavers of Drule pages have got some full on Stront action in them!!  Sorely tempted.

Off Topic / Re: It's a bit warm/ wet/ cold outside
« on: 24 October, 2019, 10:28:36 pm »
Interesting. A report commissioned by General Mark Milley, Trump's new chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, basically said the US Military will be screwed due to climate change within about 30 years.

Trump may still be a denier, but the rest of the US is waking up to the crisis.


Off Topic / Re: It's a bit warm/ wet/ cold outside
« on: 22 October, 2019, 10:26:56 am »
A smaller data dump for you, a conclusion to another lecture I have watched as part of my course.  It's chilling.

Our climate changes when greenhouse gas levels change. These climate changes can happen very quickly, causing some of the largest mass extinctions in Earth’s history.

And now, we have increased levels of greenhouse gases higher than they have been for more than a million years. And as best we can tell, we are increasing levels of greenhouse gases faster than at any time during Earth’s history.

Faster even than during those mass extinctions.

Off Topic / Re: It's a bit warm/ wet/ cold outside
« on: 21 October, 2019, 10:56:44 pm »
An interesting interview from a course I’m on at the mo re the psychology of climate change denial. It seems the fossil fuel industry has tapped into a particular ideology to bolster their obfuscation:

(Apologies for the info dump)

Oreskes: Climate change denial in the United States is almost entirely motivated by politics. A lot of scientists have thought that it was a problem of science illiteracy, that it was a problem of public understanding, that if we just explained the science better that then we would solve this problem. And that doesn't work because the problem is not being driven by lack of access to information, although that may play a role in some cases, the problem is being driven by people not wanting to believe the science because they don't like its implications.

Lewandowsky: When it comes to the drivers of belief or acceptance of scientific findings, in particular climate change, then what we find is that one of the most important factors is a person’s worldview or you can call it a political ideology, their belief in things such as the free market. It turns out, that in particular in the case of climate change, that people who are very enthusiastic about free markets and who think that government should not interfere with free markets, that they tend to reject the findings from climate change, climate science based on that ideology. It’s a very strong effect. It’s a huge effect.

Oreskes: If you take climate science seriously, it means we need to do something, we need to do something that changes the way we operate. And that something could be very personal.
It could be changing the way you live. It could be becoming a vegetarian, not traveling or building a zero energy home, but it also could be something that the government does.
And a lot of the early attention about climate change particularly focused on governance.
It focused on either the idea of international governance in the form of, say, the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change or it focused on national governance in the form of a carbon tax or an emission trading system. So these are government interventions in the marketplace.

Scott: In the case of climate change where it’s more of a political ideology and/or an economic ideology, the concerns are more along the lines of, “Well, if climate change is true, that means that we’re going to have to strengthen central government because we’re going to have to have to take steps to curb the carbon production so that we can reduce the amount of CO2 in the air. That means a bigger central government. As political conservatives, we don’t want a big central government. It means we’re going to have to put some constraints on capitalism. That’s socialism.” There’s a lot of things that political conservatives are going to lose also if climate change is right.

Oreskes: If you don’t like the idea of a government intervention in the marketplace because you believe in free market economics or you just worry about government encroachment—you worry about expanding the government—then the kinds of solutions that are being put forward for climate change are things you don’t like. That’s a major, probably the single major reason why the Americans who reject climate science do it, because if you look at the data on it, what you see is that the strongest correlation between climate-change
denial is with a certain kind of conservative politics that emphasises the free market.
It’s not correlated with race. It’s not correlated with age or gender or even religious belief, with one exception that’s tied to conservative politics, which is a certain sector of the evangelical community, but it’s tied to a set of conservative beliefs about governance.

Hayhoe: The main reason why people don’t think climate change is real is not because of lack of facts. Most of the people that I meet from day to day—the lady in the grocery store, or the man across the street—they have arguments at the tip of their fingers as to why they don’t think climate change is real. They will cite the stolen e-mails.
They will say, “Global warming stopped 17 years ago.” They have arguments, factual or semi-factual based arguments about why it’s not true. Why is everybody so convinced?
It’s because we are all cognitive misers. We don’t have the brain power to understand every single issue in the world. I don’t know if we ever did, but, especially now, I mean, I don’t understand the fundamentals of stem cell research. I don’t really understand the pluses and negatives of nuclear power, to be perfectly honest. I certainly don’t understand the economic benefits and trade-offs of all the various climate policies that are being considered. You can understand how the average person doesn’t understand the climate science, so what do we do? We go to people we trust. In the United States, when we look at people we trust, if you look at the conservative half of the country, with one voice, conservative media, conservative thought leaders, and conservative politicians are telling us that this isn’t a real problem.

Hamilton: In the literature, there are some accounts that I consider to be top down in explaining opposition to things like clean air and clean water—that is, there are political elites. There are ideological think tanks. There are large donors. There are media networks that are arguing from the top and telling people that these are the arguments; these are the positions; here are some scientific-sounding rationales or an economic-sounding rationale—that all being top down. Bottom up—I think there are people who are more or less inclined to listen to those arguments and to credit them or to discredit the alternatives. Some of that may be psychological. Some of it may have to do with your social position. We see all kinds of differences in terms of gender and education and age but dominated by differences in ideology, worldview, or political party.

Alley: It's frustrating right because there shouldn't be a serious role for politics in climate science, in my opinion. The science is science. And it was. The first time I ever testified to a subcommittee of the US Senate was 12 years ago. And it was chaired by a Republican who was about to introduce a bill that was going to put a price on changing the climate through carbon emissions and I personally think that he was just a little bit unhappy with me because I was not scarier about the threats. I was being very careful and measured, and this is [snap] that long ago. The idea that somehow your politics that you're on this side or that side means that you or don't believe that believe that C02 is a greenhouse gas. There is a little bit of that now, but it's a very very recent thing. And it's the thing that I think that I hope can disappear again.

Lewandowsky: You have to explain to the majority of people why there is a small but vocal minority that is denying the science. I think it’s very important for the public to understand that those people are motivated by factors such as personal ideology.

Oreskes: If I have one message that's what my message has been all along and it still is: this is not a scientific debate; it's a political debate. But it's a political debate being made to look like a scientific debate.

Off Topic / Re: It's a bit warm/ wet/ cold outside
« on: 21 October, 2019, 10:35:22 pm »
A full on 15 page report from Harvard, George Mason Uni, and Bristol Uni about how the fossil fuel industry has deliberately sabotaged America’s attempts to get on top of the climate crisis!


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