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Books & Comics / Re: "The Whole Twoth" 2000AD Strip Cartoon
« on: 15 October, 2019, 01:28:21 pm »

Books & Comics / Re: "The Whole Twoth" 2000AD Strip Cartoon
« on: 15 October, 2019, 12:08:35 pm »
My query is would these strips be covered by the satire laws.

Given that (I believe?) you’ve been explicitly asked by the rights holder not to do a published version, for profit or not, I’d suggest that looking for some loophole to circumvent that request may not be the smartest idea anyone’s ever had.

I don't have a stake in this, but I'm genuinely curious too.

Rebellion made a big deal out of being able to reprint a Judge Dredd story which includes Ronald McDonald a corporate mascot shooting dead a member of staff and throw in Burger King, Colonel Sanders, The Jolly Green Giant and many more.

What is the exact difference between that and something like their strip?

Is it percentage? If characters were being parodied as part of another strip, would that be acceptable?

I'm genuinely curious too where the line is on something like this, if one even exists.

Books & Comics / Re: "The Whole Twoth" 2000AD Strip Cartoon
« on: 14 October, 2019, 04:52:06 pm »
Not being funny though but fan 'art' was a staple of the prog back in the day.  Quite a few alumni had some of their earliest work published in exchange for galactic groats.  Arguably one of the greatest losses of the current prog.

I'd agree on it being a loss, I'd put it down to there being a clear division between fandom and the comic way back when.

Now it's effectively fans owning and running the comic, there appears to be a different attitude to it, whether consciously or unconsciously.

I see why they might want to keep a distance from it, it's easier/simple just to give a blanket 'no'.

Back when we were doing the Strontium Dog fan film, we asked about doing internal cast and crew t-shirts just for ourselves, and were told no, because (broadly) it makes it a lot simpler to crack down on unlicensed t-shirts if you're not making exceptions.

Same with that recent thing of bootleg Dredd badges being done at NYCC.

Or when cosplay groups were having some ridiculous spat, or trying to claim copyright on 'their' version of a Brit-Cit logo.

I don't blame them if they want to have nothing to do with any of it.

If you've got limited staff, how much time do you want to spend dealing with something that you're not financially involved in?

I get the feeling that Zarjaz/Dogbreath are a holdover from a time when it rules were more relaxed.

Sector 13 has said they're avoiding major characters, too.

Not even that... 250.

Yeah, I don't know why either.

I know they were still trying to shift Fiends of the Eastern Front, Rain Dogs etc a decade later, so maybe they just don't want to risk it, especially if it's just had a h/c in the Hachette one.

General / Re: Judge Minty (Judge Dredd fan film)
« on: 13 October, 2019, 01:10:27 pm »
Thanks, I'm not sure I'd totally agree on that one - there are a few people who don't like Alpha's helmet for example - although I think beefing up the undersuit with padding and greeblies would help.

I referenced the stillsuit from Dune when we were making it, and the Russian suits from Pacific Rim have a good feel too - just beyond our budget really.

It's hard to get that distance when you're a fan, and how it plays out to a wider audience.

Dan pitched a more manufactured version of the Stront helmet, and Carlos was very much not keen on that ;)

Glad we went comic style though - Minty was originally pitched as being more like the Urban version (before we even knew about the film, let alone saw it)

The Rogue Trooper guys went with an update, and there were comments about wanting it more like the comic, I understand both sides of the argument.

Certainly with Strontium Dog it has Carlos' design running through it like a stick of rock, we really tried to keep that look throughout, even with the off-the-shelf costume bits, like the guards.

I'm curious to see how the Rogue movie pans out design wise, or if it ever happens Edgar Wright's Strontium Dog.

I think the former (like Dredd) has a bit of room for interpretation, Strontium Dog less so.

General / Re: Judge Minty (Judge Dredd fan film)
« on: 12 October, 2019, 07:19:59 pm »
Cheers Jim, yeah we are - there's obviously stuff that we would have done differently with hindsight.

But 'past me' is telling 'present me' to cut 'past me' some slack :)

I'm pretty happy with what we managed on the crew we had, with the money we could put in, starting from scratch. Rather than a Minty sequel.

I'd loved to have spent another 6 months or so on it, but there's always that danger of it never being finished the longer you leave it.

Having done those two, and pretty much walked straight into that Rogue pitch, comparing a much bigger crew with what we had, it made me appreciate our two films even more.

General / Re: Judge Minty (Judge Dredd fan film)
« on: 12 October, 2019, 05:59:21 pm »
Thanks, was good to have you on board, it couldn't have been made without the rest of the fans getting involved!


I'd skipped a few of them, must have forgotten and that's why I didn't bother with that volume.

hoping for a Vol 2 in this style then.

There are a few things that could be added for that - some colour annual/special stories for example.

Was Journey into Hell collected in the Hachette books with colour spreads?

General / Re: Judge Minty (Judge Dredd fan film)
« on: 10 October, 2019, 09:46:39 pm »
I was only rewatching the Strontium Dog one for the umpteenth time last weekend. Absolute perfection.
Yep. I appreciated and admired Minty for what it was, but Strontium Dog really felt like a step forward – a kind of pilot for a series that would never be – although, if a random billionaire is reading, please fund it, with those actors, and also the fan film team consulting! It was also interesting to see my wife’s response to the films. She isn’t familiar with 2000 AD, but loves the Dredd film; she thought Minty was good, and Strontium Dog was great (especially the sequence where the two of them are bored in transit).

Thanks, that means a lot.

Minty was pretty much a first time experiment for us all, we had a better idea of what we were getting into on Strontium Dog, and areas we could up our game - and also where the limits of what we could do ourselves were.

I'll be honest, we got burned a bit by people offering to do stuff, then not being able to - so ended up taking on more ourselves than we'd anticipated. Plus Steve S tore a ligament so was on crutches which held things up a bit.

We also knew that Edgar Wright was interested in doing a Strontium Dog film, and he'd had a meeting with John and Carlos while we were in post production - it felt a bit like some unknown factor that could come cease and desisting at any point. We just didn't take anything for granted.

It's not great motivation when you're doing these kind of things, but we just kept plugging away.

Happy more people are seeing it now.

General / Re: Judge Minty (Judge Dredd fan film)
« on: 08 October, 2019, 04:57:01 pm »
A pack of mints.

General / Re: Judge Minty (Judge Dredd fan film)
« on: 08 October, 2019, 03:39:33 pm »
Funny how these things pick up - both Minty and (more satisfyingly) Strontium Dog had a real bump in views in the last few days. I'm guessing some algorithm kicked in within youtube - I couldn't find any sign of it being mentioned explicitly anywhere.

Minty now at 913,000 and Strontium Dog at 120,000.

Nice that a few more people are finding it after so much time.

Off Topic / Re: The Political Thread
« on: 08 October, 2019, 03:33:15 pm »
Reading sheridan’s account is awful. It makes me glad that Mrs G ‘passes’ for English – something that she’s increasingly guilty about (although certainly won’t be if her insanely expensive citizenship application doesn’t go through). That someone can be beaten almost to death for having a different accent is beyond the pale. If you’re in London, people in “Europe” are closer than those in the other end of your own bloody country.

A few years ago - guess it might have been 2015, before the referendum anyway, I had some guy come up to me at a bus stop in Clapham, slowly asking me IF I UNDERSTOOD THE QUEENS ENGLISH, I'm guessing he was spoiling for a fight, and thought I might be 'forrin', fuck knows how terrifying it must be for anyone with an accent, or the 'wrong' shade.

General / Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
« on: 07 October, 2019, 09:39:22 pm »
Although I recall Pat saying someone had a problem with the pagan/witchcraft stuff in Finn in the 90s...

Can't remember who it was... if they were identified at all.

So there is that..

General / Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
« on: 07 October, 2019, 09:34:41 pm »
We'd had the video nasties thing a few years earlier, and later the BBFC going nuts over martial arts, kids making throwing stars in metalwork etc.

Flails also edited out/banned, ninja turtles rebranded to hero turtles.

We seemed relatively relaxed about spells and shit in RPG, I certainly don't recall it being much of an issue for D&D/Fighting gamebooks at least.

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